Beating The Book: 2024 NFL Week 17 Guessing Lines Show

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It's Gil Alexander alongside why at Tom check in for
the vacationing Kelly Bidlin on this Monday week seventeen guessing lines.
Good morning to you.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Sir, Good morning, wait Kelly's vacationing. He said he was
going to the bathroom and said hold to seat for
five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Where did he go like Turks Tahiti. Where did he go?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I think just to Florida. And I think there was
no hurricanes to Florida. I don't think there was any
hurricanes coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Wyatt Tom Check. For those who don't know his street
cred is that he is the voice of UNLV women's
basketball and other sports.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
I did and I prepared for this one today, Gil.
I brought in our championship ring from last year.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Wow, championship of what the Mountain West like championship ring?
I think really they really give out those rings for
the Mountains championship.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yeah, everybody gets if you were in a conference championship, boy,
you are. I mean, this thing is is legit. This
is probably the best best one I've gotten so far.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Congratulations on your ring, man, Thank you glad you would
you wear that every day?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I just this is the first time I've warned it.
All right, I wore for you.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Thank you. I appreciate that. Championship of what oh conference? Gotcha?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
For those who have not been on this show before.
On Mondays, what we do is we guess the lines
of the upcoming weekends NFL games. We hope to extract
value in that process, and during that we also look
back at the week that was in the National Football League.
We always start though, with guessing lines before we get
to the guess of the lines itself. With a Circus
Survivor update, there were fifty headed into this weekend. There

(02:15):
are now forty five. Four get bounced with the Arizona Cardinals,
one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last night. There are
twenty one still to play, though twenty one are on
the Green Bay Packers tonight against the New Orleans Saints.
Of course, the Packers two touchdown favorites in that game.
What could possibly go wrong? But if it is in
fact forty five that advance, If in fact it is

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forty five that advance to the Christmas quote unquote week,
the two games on Thursday, the one game on Friday
acting as its own week at Circus Survivor, the intrinsic
value of each heading into that Christmas week would be
three hundred and seventeen thousand, twenty two dollars and twenty
two cents. Don't forget the cents, three hundred and seventeen

(02:58):
twenty two dollars twenty two cents. We will get get
into those Christmas Christmas doubleheader, and of course the game
on Thursday night as well. What to do these folks do?
By the way, can we show that the tweet right
now before we do that? This is from Tony Farmer,
who does this courtesy of Survivor Outlics. Survivor Autless is
the one keeping all the stats on Circus Survivor. Tony

(03:18):
Farmer at Tony's Market Tips is kind enough to pass
them along to me. So on the left you might
not be able to see this on the screen because
it might be too small when we get to it.
But on the left would be the availability of the
six teams playing on Thursday and Friday, the Bears of
the forty five remaining again, assuming the Packers get through tonight,

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of the forty five remaining entries, and by the way,
it's forty five human beings now there are no more
players with multiple entries. Twenty nine have the Bears available,
twenty three have the Steelers available, twenty one have the
Seahawks available, Ravens eleven, Chiefs only available to four, Houston
only available to three. The thing about this is that
if my guests are anywhere close, these are all going

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to be tightly lined here on the right. What he
is showing in the yellow is if you were basing
it on the point spread, and I can see my
point spread is going to be tucking neatly around some
of these, although some of them seem a little off.
But I'll give you my actual guesses Seattle would be
the quote unquote optimal pick based on point spreads and availability.

(04:22):
If you are playing it that way. That last phrase
is probably the key if you are playing it that
way without any other kind of game theory. My suggestion
in that sentence is perhaps you shouldn't play it that way,
But what do I know? I always bounced long ago.
Forty five entries remain, and good luck to all that
are in obviously twenty one more on the Packers tonight,
which brings us to guessing lines Week seventeen in the

(04:44):
National Football League. N Barrio Quick, you're bringing ball? Oh
you know, all right, Wyatt, you're playing the role of
Kelly Bidley today.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
All right, I'll make sure I won't do what Kelly
did on the last game last week, which was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
He goes, he goes thirteen. I was like guess thirteen.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
So this week in the NFL is. You mentioned it's
going to be Christmas Day, so the week starts on Wednesdays.
We have to bump up the megapot too, Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Megapot is tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
So first game on Wednesday, one pm Eastern time, the
Chiefs taken on the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Chiefs at Steelers. So we've known obviously for those who
have been in Survivor or locked in Survivor and anyway,
you've known these three games or I haven't locked into
your brain anyway for the entire season. Chiefs at Steelers.
The fourteen and one Kansas City Chiefs against the ten
and five Steelers. Chiefs coming up coming off the win
over the Texans on Saturday. Basically, what we have on

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Christmas is an opponent swap from what we had this
past week on Saturday. So Kansas City beach Houston. They
do so on the strength of well, it started out
with a Houston pick third and twelve with their own
forty three Stroud picked by Jayden Hicks. That led to
a six six yard Kansas City drive mahomes in from
fifteen seven to nothing Chiefs. But the Texans did take

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the lead at seven to three. They ran a thirteen
they ran themselves a thirteen play eighty two yard drive
Stroud and Nico Collins the big chunk for thirty to
Schultz from ten out. It was ten to seven Houston
with ten oh nine left in the second quarter, but
that was the last lead. They would have Kansas City
eighty two yard driver right after that, because God forbid,
they don't have a lead for a long time. Hunt
in from three fourteen to ten Kansas City. Stroud would

(06:27):
get picked by Trent McDuffie. That would lead to a
butckerfield goal seventeen to ten Chiefs at the half. Third
quarter Houston four plays fifty yards pardon me they did.
They were about to tie the game Stroud to Dell
for three, but two things happen here. Fair Baron misses
the extra point, so the Chiefs still lead at seventeen
to sixteen, and more significantly, Tank Dell with a significant

(06:49):
knee injury already a kneecap displacement. That's the first thing
that we know for sure, But the extent of that
injury still not known, and it looks to what everybody's
saying is that it is a bad injury and that
will be probably the season for Tank Dell, So you
don't have Dell, you don't have Diggs if you're Houston.
Moving forward into the postseason seventeen to sixteen, though Kansas

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City would extended ten plays eighty yards Mahomes to Worthy
from a twenty four to sixteen, they would get to
twenty four to nineteen, then to twenty seven to nineteen
in favor of the Chiefs, and Houston would then with
five eighteen left in the game, down one possession, three
and out, Kansas City got the ball. After that, they
would never relinquish a ballgame. Chiefs fourteen and one. But apparently,

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as long as Mahomes is playing, we can't give Andy
Reid a Coach of the Year because they'll never get
credit for it. Even if they go sixteen to one.
The Chief's magic number, if we were toe to the
baseball way of doing things, is one a Chiefs, one
Chiefs win, one Bill's loss, and the Chiefs will will
have the number one seed throughout the course of the
AFC playoffs. So once again, all the power rankings, Schmaer

(07:53):
schmankings that we've had all year long, it looks like
that it will go through Arrowhead. Yet Againsburg Pittsburgh loses
to Baltimore in a game. Quite frankly, that was the
key play of the game was in the first half,
I think seven to seven game, Pittsburgh is matriculating second
and six of the Baltimore twenty three. Russell Wilson with

(08:13):
a great run inside the five. He's hit by our
Darius Washington, fumbles recovered by Kyle van Noy, and Baltimore
then goes on an eight play ninety six yard drive
Lamar to Bateman from fourteen out. Halfway through the second quarter.
It'd be seventeen to ten Baltimore at the half. Pittsburgh
would tie it up for second drive of the third quarter,
eight plays eighty eight yards Wilson and Calvin Austin for
forty four to start to Grederyl Patterson from twelve out

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at seventeen seventeen with five fourteen left in the third quarter,
and then it was all Baltimore. Baltimore six plays sixty
yards all on Lamar's feet and arms Lamarta Andrews from
seven out twenty four to seventeen. Pittsburgh would then turn
it over on downs. A'd attempt a fourth and seven
at the Baltimore forty six incomplete intendant for Austin Baltimore
first and goal with the ten lamoar picked by Fitzpatrick though,

(08:57):
and then the play of the second half Pittsburg xecud
to seven at their own thirty six Wilson picked by
Marlin Humphrey to that house pick six thirty one seventeen
Baltimore with thirteen oh six left in the fourth quarter.
And then I just want to bring this point up here.
Pittsburgh is down fourteen in the fourth quarter. Does this
sound familiar to you from last week against the Eagles?

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They were down fourteen in that game in the fourth
quarter with about ten plus minutes left, and Mike Tomalin
decided to punt here down fourteen. He does the same
thing with nine to twenty six left, fourth and twelve
at midfield, down fourteen, with nine to twenty six left,
Mike Tomlin punts. I'm sorry, but you cannot be considered
for coach of the year when you do this. I

(09:39):
do not get this, man. Baltimore would have a field
GOALLL thirty four to seventeen. Ravens win it going away,
as Pittsburgh would then punt in the closing closing minutes
because it didn't matter at that point. So Kansas City
has at Pittsburgh to start at Christmas Day. I got
Kansas City minus three and a half on the road
here at Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Are you pretty close? We've got Kansas City minus two
and a half.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh well, that's through the three though. That is a
that's interesting that it's less than a field goal. Less
than a field goal at Pittsburgh. A little surprised by that.
I just want to say, since we're talking a little
wards here, we'll get to the other games here after
the break. But Lamar Jackson three more touchdown passes he
does throw the pick to Fitzpatrick. He now has If
you look at the awards in the NFL, I think
we'll get to it. Jayden Daniels probably at this point,

(10:21):
and the only question is whether he's a unanimous Rookie
of the Year or not. Offensive Rookie of the Year.
Coach of the Year Kevin O'Connell I think is the
correct favorite now. When it comes to comeback Player of
the Year, I think we have that slotted for Joe
Burrow going away. They're not good enough, the Bengals aren't
for him to be the MVP. So He's the comeback
player of the year Saquon who's flirting with Eric Dickerson's

(10:43):
season rushing yards record, albeit one extra game than Dickerson had.
He's probably your offensive player of the Year. But when
it comes to MVP, I keep saying this, and I
a full disclosure. I'm saying it through the fact that
I have a Lamar Jackson ticket at plus seven fifty.
Thankfully I have Daniels seven to one for Rookie the
Year too, but at plus seven fifty, I have Lamar Jackson.

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This went from minus nine hundred on Josh Allen this
past week to minus five fifty on Josh Allen. Lamar
is now at four to one. He went from plus
five fifty to four to one after this weekend's games.
Lamar Jackson, I just want to say this again. He
has thirty seven touchdown passes and four picks. Nobody has
ever thrown in the history of the NFL forty or

(11:24):
more touchdown passes with as few as four picks, so
he's chasing that. He has the fourth highest passer rating
the old school passer rating of one fifty eight point three,
the fourth highest. Currently two games left to play in
the history of the NFL. He has nearly eight hundred
rushing yards as well, He's the twenty fifth leading rusher

(11:44):
in the NFL if you just want to put it
in that terminology as well. And Josh Allen's performance this
past weekend was pedestrian, very many pedestrian didn't do anything
how And I'm the first one to concede if you
take the words most valuable player literally, Josh Allen is
probably that because if you remove them with the Bills,
I don't know if they win three games. But those

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stats from Lamar Jackson were just gonna look the other way.
I don't think so. And based on our conversations with
Aaron Shotts and Mike Sando to voters, I think people
ought to consider what could happen here coming back more
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Tom check in for Kelly Biddlin today on a guessing line'
Week seventeen. So I kind of like Kansas City. If
it's less than three, I may bite on that. In

(13:14):
what has been a slim pickens the last few weeks
in the NFL, that might be the only, uh, that
might be one of the few edges I need to
trigger a bet here.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
And I think just the way Pittsburgh has played the
last couple of weeks, it's just been kind of very
you know, getting beat by double digits, really really dominating
that Eagles game, and I mean it is Russ starting
to kind of take a step back.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I don't know if he's taking a step back. I mean,
I think he's been as good as as one could
hope he could hear that he is, especially after barn
me what we saw in Denver. But I will say,
you know, Pittsburgh obviously right now, they have the tiebreaker
over the Ravens right now if it ended tide. They're teetering, though,
because the Ravens knocking at the door obviously built teams
with a ten and five record of the AFC North,

(13:57):
the Ravens might have the edge given Pittsburgh's schedule, we'll
hear the last couple of weeks. Kansas City would love
to get the number one seed out of the way.
Two days from now. They can if they can win
this game against Pittsburgh. You're fifteen and one. You do
not have to play Week eighteen. You don't have to
play any of your players if you don't want to.

(14:17):
Mahomes is that's healthy ankle, by the way, And you
play in early in week sixteen, So think about that.
I mean, you would have a two and a half week,
is that correct, Yes, a two and a half week,
two and a half weeks till you played another meaningful
football game. A lot of people say, oh, but that's
a rust versus rest thing. The Chiefs don't qualify for
that kind of They could take two months off, they
could do whatever they want.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say, we got to give credit
to the athletic training staff for the Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes
looks so good out there. I'm just running.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I said this last week. His most underrated skill quote
unquote is his healing power. It does not matter what
happens to him. He seems to be teflon.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
If that happened to us, we'd be off for like
three months.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Oh bro, I've become my father with stuff like that.
He still I remember when as a kid something would
happen on a football field, it would take me thirty
minutes to get up off the grove. I've become him now.
Joe Ryan is not happy with me. We get tweets
and beating of the book. He was tweeting me earlier.
He said he was presenting Caleb Williams stats. He goes,
I present you these stats so you can hold on
your continued hating on Williams. He says the guy may

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break the Bears all time yards passing for a season
with his backup offensive coordinator, head coaching, he is very special.
He's not very happy with Merril Hodge's assessment of him,
and he's not very happy with me. And I said,
I don't hate Williams, says no, I said hating on Williams.
I feel like you guys dump on him while the
dude has been stellar in a dumpster fire of a situation.
Point well taken. I do think the interesting question here, Joe,
is if you got to redraft this rookie class of quarterbacks,

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now having fifteen games in hindsight, would you draft them
the same way? Rich Eisen's show did this last week?
And you know, the conclusion they came to was that
the Bear given the same draft order, that the Bears
would still draft Caleb one. And as a Washington fan,
I was like, go, I'll take Jade to two again,
thank you very much. But that was their conclusion was

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the Bears would still take Caleb at one, and Washington
then would just obviously take Jayden at two. I think
if you if you ranked them based on performance and
obviously given the I get what you're saying, Joe about
Caleb's surrounding his supporting cast. If you will the offensive
line being the biggest of those, the the not stellar

(16:21):
offensive line. I still think based on performance, you'd go
in a very one one two, A two B two
C kind of way. Jaden one.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
I would take Jaden one.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I think you have to say Bo Nicks had the
second best season of anybody.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
His growth from the first five weeks absolutely now has unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Now do you draft him second? If the task is
you are still starting a team from scratch, do you
still believe that that translates to him being the better
quarterback than Caleb over time? That's a different story. But
I think based on performance, Bo would have to be
to Drake May would probably have to be three like they.
As Aaron Shott said as a Patriots fan, we got
the right guy, that's what he believes. And Caleb. It's

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the only thing about Caleb braced on those other guys
is he's just a little more of a wild card
than the other three guys.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
I think Caleb's biggest thing that's holding him back. Obviously,
you got to have a good offensive line if you're
running around like crazy. But when he does get time,
Caleb holds onto the ball way too long, too way
too long, and I was watching the Seahawks game yesterday,
Gino Smith was taking a lot of unnecessary hits. I
think that's another thing with Caleb, like protect your body,
if you don't have anybody open, throw it away, don't

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take those big hits.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah. But the point also made here was like if
the situation was reversed, Joe was saying that the outcomes
would be reversed also, and I disagree with that wholeheartedly.
Jayden Daniels is Jayden Nails, doesn't hold onto the ball
like Caleb does. He is calm under any situation. Caleb
was throwing a tantrum when they kicked that ridiculous field
goal later in the game yester day. I just think
they're different guys also, and I don't think that the

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results would be the same. There's no way we can
prove that, but I think it's an interesting thought exercise.
What is next? Aer On Criss?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
On Christmas Day? We have at four thirty pm Eastern time,
the Ravens taken on the Texans.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
All right, as we said, just an opponent swap is
what this is from this past Saturday. So now Baltimore
is at Houston. Lamar fifteen of twenty three for two
oh seven, three touchdowns, one pick. He was sacked once
to that game. Derrek Henry twenty four for one to
sixty Twesday five for one hundred. In Baltimore's win over Pittsburgh,
we're again Mike Tomlin literally punting on the game for
the second straight week. And then Houston now without Tank

(18:27):
Dell again with a displaced knee cap on that touchdown
for Houston that brought the game to seventeen sixteen. I'll
say Baltimore minus three and a.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Half pretty close. You've got Baltimore minus four on DraftKings.
That's probably better. Next, this is all we go to.
Now we go to Friday. This is where we get hit
the drink for interesting for survivor or Thursday. Thursday. I
was gonna say, yeah, I don't think we have a
Friday games.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I was thinking Christmas was Durday, Christmas Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, so on Thursday, kind of back to the normal
NFL slate. The Seattle Seahawks in the desperate need of
a win, traveling on the road to take on the Bears.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Seattle is in a dicey situation looking up at the
Rams in the NFC West they have got to get
help here, but they've got to do their part as well.
They got to beat the Bears, the Bears who have
lost nine straight football games. Seattle loses to Minnesota yesterday.
Minnesota struck first eight plays six Well, this is a
seven to seven game, I should say at this point.

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Minnesota eight play sixty seven yards Darnold Jefferson from fourteen
out fourteen to seven Minnesota. With five to fifty left
in the second, Seattle then first play, ensuing drive first
and ten on thirty Geno pick by Dallas Turner. Minnesota
set up at the Seattle thirty one had to settle
for a record fifty two yard field goll seventeen seven Minnesota.
Seattle would add a drive late in the half five
plays eighty eight yards to DK from twenty to twelve

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to start it, then to Jackson Smith and Jigba thirteen
twenty five and eighteen into the end zone to end
the drive. Seventeen fourteen Minnesota. At the half, it would
get to seventeen seventeen. Right here, it would kick a
field goal to put the Vikings up twenty to seventeen
and would seemingly be that score for most of the
second half twenty to seventeen vikings. Seattle then takes the
lead on an eleven play sixty eight yard drive Geno

(20:02):
two Gardner on third and goal from the four, twenty
four to twenty Seattle with four to twenty one left
in the fourth quarter. But as Minnesota has done all year,
and as Sam Darnald has done all year, just calm
as could be four plays seventy yards. There were some
flags involved there. Donald beautiful throw to Jefferson from thirty
nine through two defenders, touchdown twenty seven to twenty four.

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Minnesota with three fifty one left, and then Seattle will
get it into well, I won't really call it field
goal range. They try a Meyers sixty yard field goal attempt,
well short. Minnesota would take over with one fifty five left,
Seattle still with two timeouts, they forced a three and out.
Seattle took over again at their own seventeen with fifty
five seconds left, no timeouts, needing a field goal to tie.

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First nap from scrimmage Gino picked by Theo Jackson Katie
bar the door. DK kind of stopped a metcalf on
the route. He just sort of like let up and
so Gino's like, what are you doing? Gino was made
to look bad on the play. Gino threw for three
hundred fourteen yards in defeat. But it is Seattle that
and Seattle gets the loss there. Minnesota goes on, We'll

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get to Minnesota coming up, but Seattle's at Chicago here
on Thursday. Chicago loses to Detroit in a game that
was twenty to nothing before you could really blink twenty
to nothing. Detroit they got into twenty nothing on a
beautiful golf to Jamison Jameson Williams eighty two yard touchdown
twenty to nothing. The Bears would cut it to twenty
seven to fourteen by the half. Caleb was really that

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passed The pass that cut it to twenty seven to
fourteen to Keenan Allen for forty five to the house
was just beautiful from Caleb Williams. The play of the
game that people are talking about. Twenty seven to fourteen.
In the third quarter, Detroit five play seventy nine yard
touchdown drive Golf de Laporter for twenty one on a
play where Goff acted like he fumbled, so he stumbled

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after the snap. Gibbs Jamir Gibbs fell to the turf
as well in the backfield, as if he was trying
to recover the fubble. Whatever. That was enough for reporter
again lose thirty four to fourteen to Detroit would go
on to win it by the final score of thirty
four to seventeen. So Detroit and Minnesota, we'll get to them.
They both win, Philadelphia loses. That has number one seed
implications in the NFC. But as far as this game

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Seattle at Chicago, which a lot of these survivors remember
at Circa, depending on who you have left, you might
have to make a choice here, or maybe may I
suggest you're making a clever game theory choice here to
try to get on an island. I'll say Seattle minus three.
That was my guest last night was three.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Got bumped up here just a moment ago on DK
Seahawks minus three and a half.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
And I think I saw four here at Circa right
behind us as on my way in. But I'm staying
true to my guests here Seattle minus three. Geez, does
that make me want to jump on to jump on
the Bears? It does not, not e racing to bet
than plus four. But this is like, would I be shocked.
If the Bears won this game national stage standalone, they've

(23:03):
lost nine in a row. Seattle's in that must win
situation where with Doctor Bob says, if you're in a
must win situation, you must not be that good. I
don't know. Interesting game so far like Kansas City so
far on the Christmas plus one games coming back more
guessing lines Week seventeen. It's a numbers game.

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Vegas five to one, four yo. Our beloved Washington team
won down fourteen and had five turnovers. We're the fourth
team in the last twenty years to win straight up.
I love his use of we. Also, we should be
coming back home to DC in the near future. Two
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(24:29):
part of that New York Mes sixteen. Glad I listened
to Ang and jumped on Lamar at eleven to one
to cover my probable laws losers on Saquon and Daniels
both at one hundred to one. I guess he means
for MVP. Saquon could have really put his stamp on
the race yesterday with one hundred rushing yards in the
first quarter. He did nothing after that. Thanks gil uh. Yeah,
Saquon yesterday one hundred and nine rushing yards and two

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touchdowns of the first quarter and then once Jalen Hurts
went out, Kenny Pickett came in. That was kind of
the end of that.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
My fantasy team I was. I was looking my chops.
I thought I was going to make it to the
championship game because I was going up against Jalen Hurts.
Fortunately I had Brian Robinson bumble twice twice.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Early Mariner's geek. One Chiefs win, one Bill's loss is
a magic number of two. Correct, it is, except that's
not what I said. It's one Bill's one Chiefs win
or one Bill's loss, so it is a magic number
of one. Remember, the Chiefs are two games ahead of
the Bills in the lost column with two games left,
so it is a magic number of one. Sir Matt

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Trudell watching numbers game and Gil didn't one of the
circus survivors with two entries put both on the Cardinals. Yes,
you are correct, I was incorrect. Actually, it is forty
five entries left, forty four humans, so one person still
does have more than one entry. But yes, one person.
I believe it was wise guys, NFL. Wise guys put

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two on the Cardinals and there goes that. All right,
we get to Sunday. Now for week seventeen.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Actually, no, we're on Saturday, Saturday. Yes, Oh, I love it.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
We're all over the so great.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
We've got football throughout the entirety of the week.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Fantastic. And yet we have to wait for the college
quarterfinals still beyond that now till in middle of next week.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yes, hopefully, hopefully the game's a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, let's hope.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
So, let's hope. So first game on Saturday, one pm
Eastern Time, Chargers on the road, taking on the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Chargers beat the Broncos on the Thursday. We don't need
to go over that again. Chargers are nine and six,
Broncos are nine and six. They both inhabit the last
two AFC playoff positions currently, the Broncos are the one
that has sort of the tougher schedule, and the Broncos
are not feeling very comfortable with a few teams three

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teams Miami, Indianapolis and Cincinnati two games behind them. They
don't want to lose their last two obviously, both the
Broncos and Chargers magic number once again in this case
is one, respectively. Chargers at the Patriots here, So the
Chargers at the Patriots, who played the Bills very well yesterday.
They led this game fourteen to nothing on a six

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play fifty eight yard drive. May To made a boutet
from twenty eight out Kishan Bute and then their next
drive after a Buffalo punt, sixteen plays ninety one yards
Romandre in from fourteen fourteen to nothing Patriots. Then the
Bills started doing it, cook in from forty six fourteen
to seven. That would be the score at the half.
Third quarter, Buffalo nine plays at sixty eight yards Allen

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to cook from four out. We're tied at fourteen New England.
Then second play ensuing driver Mandre for two yards hit
by Greg Russo, fumbles, Dorian Williams recovers that led to
a Bass fifty yard field goal. Buffalo took their first
lead at seventeen fourteen with six poh two left in
the third quarter. Then New England matriculated first and ten
at the Buffalo sixteen may picked in the end zone
by cam lewis Man. That all sort of thoughts of

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an upset there kind of went. I don't know if
they completely went out the window with that, but you
sort of felt like it wasn't gonna happen at that
point but Buffalo then had to punt as Allen was
shaken out his throwing hand in this let's talking about
another guy that is Teflon always seems to recover from
whatever injury has New England and second in eight at
their own twelve may laterals can't make the connection. Taron

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Johnson recovers it in the end zone twenty four to
fourteen Buffalo at ten's in left in the fourth quarter.
That was the point where the any thoughts of an
upset sort of were extinguished, where it was like this
sort of lazy pass backwards that ends up being a
lateral in a fumble. New England after punting at their
punting fourth and six at their own forty five with
eight thirty three left down ten, are you tanking? What

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are you doing? I think we know the answer Buffalo. No,
I'm not suggesting that Buffalo punts, then Travis and then
New England gets it back. And now New England with
a ten point deficit with fewer time, with less time, well,
they can matriculate the ball down the field. Thirteen play
seventy five yards. They ran tens. They had ten snaps
inside the ten yard line before they punched this in

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they had two different first and goal at the one setups,
and they finally scored on a nine yard touchdown pass
to the hunter Henry from Night down again twenty four
to twenty one. Buffalo they had to declare, we had
to declare their own side kick that failed, but New
England did have three timeouts left. Didn't matter. Buffalo ran
out the clock. Buffalo wins it twenty seven. Excuse me,

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twenty four to twenty one, and once again, Josh Allen
pedestrian numbers in this ball game, I will say in
the Chargers at New England contest, Chargers minus four and
a half. Close.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
We've got Chargers right now up at DK at minus five.
Let's do another next one here still on Saturday, four
thirty pm Eastern time, the Broncos taking on the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Okay, so this gets back to what I was just
saying moments ago. This is a big football game because
Denver's nine and six are the Chargers. Chargers schedules a
lot easier though than Denver's down the stretch. Denver's got
I believe they got Kansas City Week eighteen, so.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Which they're rooting for Kansas City to clinch that's right.
So there's tons of implications here Kansas they're rooting. That's
exactly right. Denver's rooting for Kansas City to clinch the
number one seed so that Kansas City would not be
incentivized to play them week eighteen in the event that
Denver loses to Cincinnat here, Cincinnati the proverbial team no
one wants to play.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Everybody's saying that Cincinnati, because of Burrow and the offense
of the team, nobody wants to play. Really, they're not
that scary. Beyond that, they're really not. Their defense is horrible.
Denver at Cincinnati. I'll still make Cincinnati a favorite here
Denver again Thursday night. Let's just remember when they lost
to the Chargers that Sean Payton had a lot to
do with this, because after running on second and twenty,

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remember fourth and six at their own forty nine, with
four thirty five left, down three, they punted. So that
was just a horrible sequence for Peyton in that game.
Cleveland loses suit me. Cincinnati beats Cleveland yesterday in a
game that you know, they were really blowing Cleveland off
the field. It was seven to nothing halfway through the

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first quarter on a play where Joe Burrow was falling
to the turf unbelieva is unbelievable. With a naked eye,
it looks like there's no way he's completely down. And
the more you watch the replat like, come on, it's
obvious he's down before he got rid of the ball.
He's falling forward. Optical illusion. And you know how they

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determined it. They took it frame by frameman is what
they did. And that's a touchdown. Touchdown falling down to
Higgins from two out. Amazing play from Burrow. Again, if
they were any good, maybe he's in the MVP conversation
as is, he'll probably be comeback Player of the Year.
Seven to nothing, Cincinnati, and it was that score till
really it was that score till well, it was seventeen
by the end of the first half. It did get

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to fourteen to nothing and then seventeen to nothing Cleveland
first drive of the third quarter, they went seventy yards
for it in from four. Hopkins misses the extra point though,
seventeen to six because Cleveland is not allowed to have
good things for any period of time, so they missed
the extra point seventeen to six. Next time they had
the ball. They really needed to know Cleveland's possessions the
rest of the way to tell the story of this game.

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Third and seven at the Cincinnati eight, DTR under pressure
just throws it into the end zone right to a
wide open Jordan Battles. Jordan Battle plays for cincinnat and
next time Cleveland had the ball. Third and six at
their own forty one, DTR picked off a deflection by
Geno Stone. And then the thing about this was it
was at this point it was seventeen to six, seventeen

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to six? Do I have that score right? Burrow? Cincinnati
had third and goald to Cleveland. One Borough got sacked
and he fumbled. It was recovered by Juwan Briggs. So
Cleveland had the ball. They couldn't win this game, but
they had the back door open in terms of the
spread because it's only seventeen to six at this point.
But once again, fourth and eight was it fourth and
eight for their own forty one. DTR makes this great play,

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whirling Dervish. I don't know how he completed it, passed
in Nadjoku for the first down, but eventually they stalled
on downs and then Cincinnati on a second and six
at their own excuse me. At the Cleveland thirty two
Cleveland jumps off side Cincinnati is a free play in
Burrow just heaves it to Chase. Why not? Twenty four
to six touchdown? And that was that Burrow two hundred
and fifty yards, three touchdown performance for the seventh straight game.

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No one has ever done that ever before. Were in
life so good? I'll say Cincinnati by two and a
half at home over Denver. Close.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Here, we've got Cincinnati minus three. They gave him the
full three full three here on DraftKings.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Again, this is a big There are so many ways
this could The NFC is not quite as interesting, although
there's obviously some things that could happen there. But the AFC,
between the number one seed and the fact that Denver
has this at Cincinnati home, Kansas City, you know, way
to finish the season in terms of their schedule, Yes,
they are absolutely rooting for Kansas City to beat Pittsburgh

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on Christmas. Denver and the Chargers again, both of their
magic numbers are one.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Though it was such a gut punch loss for the
for the Broncos. Halfway through that game on Thursday, I
was like, man, this is a whole different team. They
might be a legitimate threat in the in the playoffs,
and it's just what a collapse. Give credits Jim Harbaugh, Michigan, Guy,
where did you go to school again? UNLV? That Michigan
curious so far?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I think like Kansas City, the best serves the numbers.
We'll get to more of these games, get to Sunday. Finally,
we're guessing lines Week seventeen in the National Football League.
Coming back on a numbers game right here at vson
a one Rogerson.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Numbers game on VSA, the Sports Vetting Network.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
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Why Tom check in for Kelly Bildin? That's your full name?
Why Tom check in for Kelly Bidlin? I like it.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
We split it. We'll put it on the birth certificate.
By the way, By the way, talking about the vson app,
isn't that where you found Will Hill talking about the
Aaron Judge MVV.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
That is correct. We were That is exactly right. That
is a good example. Will Hill gave out Aaron Judge
to win American League MVP at sixteen to one. We
were able to pinpoint the date he I think he
was like May fifteenth. So went to the vson watch app.
Easily found May fifteenth numbers game. All I had to
do is determine if it was our number one or
number two. Bam grabbed the clip. There's Will Hill given

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out his pick.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Also, I didn't know if like Kelly had a certain line,
like you know how he was like nine to ninety
nine or split in bets.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Oh look at me.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
I was like, oh no, does Kelly have a certain line?
I was that given?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Speaking of that line, Speaking of Kelly and Jesse, Welcha
tweeted attention to anyone in the Florida area, Kelly Biddley
is flying down there, so there will be a hurricane
kicking up real soon, because Kelly has his history of
fly into like in clement, like not only in clement weather,
but like really bad weather events. And Kelly tweets back.
He says, Man, I'm just sitting by the pool right now,
perfect weather, listening to some guessing lines. Don't mess it up,

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tom check, he says in capitals.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
And he spelled my last name right, So Kelly, I
appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
He did t for three by the way, also chimes
and he goes opp the last Well, that's not that simple.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Did you catch that?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I was in opp? See? I knew you wouldn't I
know this. When I was explaining that Joe Burrow, how
they how they figured out that Joe Burrow's touchdown was
was legal? I said, how do you explain it? They
took it framed by Framan. No, okay, all right, next game, Kelly,
next game, not Kelly? Whyatt?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Sorryry Tom check in for Biddlin. I was born in
ninety four, so my apologies on that one. We ended
on the Broncos Bengals. So next game, final game on Saturday,
eight fifteen pm Eastern Time, Cardinals at the Ram.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
We're still on Saturday. Wow, the seven and eight Cardinals
who have been eliminated, and they eliminated four survivors in
the process. They lose to the Panthers taking on the Rams,
who sit atop the NFC West right now with a
nine in six record. Arizona loses to Carolina. It was
thirteen to three Carolina early Arizona second ten at their

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own thirty one. Kyler fumbled the exchange with Michael Carter.
Jonathan Harris recovered. Carolina is set up at the Arizona
thirty four plays, Bryce the feeling from eight out twenty
to three. Panthers. Halfway through the second quarter, they were
just rolling, but Arizona had some life. They woke up
four plays seventy yards. Kyler to Connor for thirty six.
Sets up Connor in from six twenty to ten, and
then after a three and out Arizona sixty eight yards

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Kylo to DJ Dallas from one out twenty to seventeen
Panthers at the half. Surely the Cardinals will win this,
but Bryce Young had other ideas. Carolina a few drives
into the second half six places, fifty eight yards Bryce
to David Moore from eighteen out, thirty to twenty with
twelve oh four left in the fourth quarter. Arizona then
seventy yards Kyler in from twenty thirty to twenty seven

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with six fifty six left in this one. After at
Carolina three and out, Arizona third and eleven at the
Arizona four at the Arizona pardon me, Arizona third and
eleven at the Carolina forty nine, Kyler, perhaps thinking he's
over the line of scribbage, sort of heaves it. Part
of his body wasn't though, picked by Demadi Richardson, and
with three ten left in the fourth quarter, it looked

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like Arizona might be cooked, but they did have all
three timeouts left. They were able to force a punt
when Bryce just missed a wide open Dancha Zenna on
third and three from their own forty nine so Arizona
took over on their own thirty five with one forty
seven left one time out. They needed a field goal
to tie, and with two seconds left, Chad Ryland from

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fifty eight good oh Man to tie the game. They
go to overtime. Carolina wins the toss. It's over right, Nope,
three and out. Arizona backed up at their own ten,
fourth and one at their own nineteen. They correctly, by
the way, I liked that they went for it. They
got it didn't matter though, because they still had to punt,
and Carolina took over with from their own forty nine

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with four to eleven left. In ot two plays Chewba
Hubbard for twenty eight field goal range. Already no matter.
Cuba from twenty one touchdown thirty six thirty. As I said, four,
Arizona Survivor's gone, Arizona eliminated from playoff contention. And then
there's the Rams Jets game. Did you see any of this?
This was threatening to be the quickest football game you've

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ever seen in your life, and by the way, maybe
thank God for that, because it wasn't very good.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Well Puka Nikoua in fantasy, so I was I was
hoping that Matthew Stafford threw for more than one hundred
and ten yards. Yeah, at least he threw half of
them to Pooka, but it was still very.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
One one hundred and ten yards passing for Matthew Stafford
and the Rams still win it. This is a game
where the Jets first drive a fourteen play ninety nine
yard drive Rogers Davante from eleven out, six to nothing.
Jets Anders Carlson missed the second, missed the extra point.
After that, that was a Rams punt, followed by a Jets

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fourteen play ninety nine yard drive that was the entire
first quarter. There were twenty three seconds left in the
first quarter six to nothing. Then the Rams second and
fifteen to their own forty nine, Stafford picked by Tony Adams,
which brought the Jets to a fourth and one at
their own thirty three. The ensuing drive brea stuffed by
Omar Spates that leads to a short field Rams set
up at the thirty three to three plays kyroon in

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from two. Joshua Cardy misses the extra point, six to six.
There's six twenty two left in the second quarter. The Jets,
with another fourth down fourth and three at the Rams
thirty four. Rogers to Lazard for eleven, but they still
have to settle for Carlson twenty one yard fildal nine
to six Jets at the half. There was a grand
total of six drives in the first half of this
football game. Third quarter, same story. Jets started their own

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twenty nine. They end up with a turnover on downs
on fourth and fourth the Rams thirteen. There was five
point fifteen left in the third quarter. This game's third
quarter ended before the Washington third quarter began, I believe,
and they started at the same time. Cardy thirty eight
yard field goal would tie it up at nine apiece

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when the Jets. After the Jets failed on that fourth
down conversion, the ensuing drive made it nine to nine,
twelve forty four left in the fourth quarter this point.
Then they started playing some more brisk football. Jets third
and seven at their own thirty one Rogers sacked by
car By Curl fumbles, Jared Verse recovers, Rams set up
at the Jets twenty one three play Stafford to Higbee, Higbee?
What year is this? From eleven out sixteen to nine Rams.

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Then the Jets fourth and fourth their own thirty seven,
they decide to go for it, down seven Rogers incomplete
intended for Tyler Conklin. Rams get a field goal out
of that, nineteen to nine. Then Carlson misses a forty
nine yardfield goal. They're down two scores. The Jets were
the forty nine yard field goal try one of those
placekicks where the moment the ball went off his toe,

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he was like, there's no chance. It makes it like
it was so wide right from the beginning. You just
hear the crowd. Sometimes the crowd will just tell you away,
not even close. Rams take over one fifty seven left
in the fourth quarter of three and out, but Xavier
Gibson muffs the punt. Jordan Winnington recovers, that's your ball game.
That's such a Jets, such a Jets. Wait then jeffls

(41:59):
his Twitter on whenever the Jets play is just calmic.
It was brutal. Aaron Rodgers such a nice guy though,
kidding by the way, you see how I was killing
Aaron Rodgers last year with the whole Achilles nonsense, like
he could come back and out. Everybody's murdering Aaron Rodgers.
Finally it's like, oh you finally figured out he's a
great guy. Rams by four and a half hosting Arizona.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Right now we have Rams minus six on DK.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, I guess I have to get in the mode
where it's like people have nothing to play for anymore,
so the lines are going to reflect that. I guess.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah. What a tough loss there for the Cardinals. Did
you see though, at the end of the game, like
how the clock started to wind down like the Cardinals
only got the Yes, if you saw the official did
this to signal that the clock was stopped, and then
he wound it like he screwed up.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, for some reason the game clock went to zero,
but they clearly had called time out.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I don't think that was Yeah, well, I think the
Cardinals why they went so slow was the official initially said, Hey, yeah,
Kyler got out of bounds. You know, clock is stopped.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Let's see if we can't squeeze a couple in here.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
What do we got now? Alrighty, after the Cardinals, Rams,
We've got this is Sunday, one pm Eastern time, Jets
at the Bills.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Wow. I love that. Tons of games before Sunday, even
Jets four and eleven long gone at Buffalo twelve and three.
Buffalo has won the AFCs, but again still with a
shot at the number one seed. The Chiefs would have
to lose twice. The Bills would have to win twice.
Good luck with that. Allen in a victory yesterday, sixteen
of twenty nine for one fifty four, six carries for

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thirty yards, Cook eleven for one hundred on the ground
and a touchdown. Bills were plus two and turnovers against
the Patriots, but thirteen penalties for seventy eight yards for
the Bills. I'll say the Bills minus ten and a
half hosting the Jets.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
A little bit heavy on that. We've got the Bills
minus nine and a half. Okay, next and after that one,
we've got the game of the week, and I'll bias here.
One pm Eastern time, Packers at the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Packers played a night against the Saints. Their two touchdown favorites.
The Packers are ten and four, but remember, because they're
zero and three combined against the Lions and the Vikings
at this point, they're probably a wildcard team. That's kind
of where they're going to be locked in. So they're
at Minnesota. Minnesota now thirteen and two with the Eagles loss,
Minnesota and Detroit could be headed to a Week eighteen

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collision course for not only the NFC North but also
the number one seed winner take all. I will say Minnesota.
By the way, Jefferson yesterday ten for one forty four
and two touchdowns. He's pretty good at football. I'll say
Minnesota minus two and a half.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
I dare you. We've got Vikings minus one and a
half on DK all.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Right, at the point being probably a tick less than
the three. Okay, again, of all, you know the point
of this extract. You're trying to get some bets out
of this. I still think Kansas City might be my
only one. And even that is sort of like, it's
not like my favorite bet in the world. It's just
sort of like, oh, there's a little slight edge. I'll
take that.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Do want to bet the Packers for me when in
this game? No? Yeah, this game not tonight.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
I don't know. I think it's right around where it should
they all right, all right for Sunday Week seventeen, National
Football League, it's getting fun coming up. The numbers told
the story they always do.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I believe in analytics. This is a numbers game with
Gil Alexander.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Our number two of a numbers game at Visa these
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It's skill, Alexander. It's why at Tom check in for
Kelly Biddlin. Kelly's out all week, by the.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Way, joined some some great family time. Apparently's at the
pool right now.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Apparently he's at the pool, because that's what one does
at eleven am on a Monday when you're on vacation
in Florida. Why wouldn't you be.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I don't think anybody could be at the pool here
in Vegas for maybe a couple more now this time
of year.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
All right, let's get to some more value. So find some.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Well, let's see next game here with Sunday one pm
Eastern time, Raiders at the same.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
All right, I refuse to go through the Raiders Jaguars game.
I refuse. The Raiders beat the Jaguars, and so by
virtue of that New York Giants, you're on the clock.
Raiders go to three and twelve. They're going to be
at the Saints, who are five and nine. Remember the
Saints are two touchdown dogs to the Packers tonight. The

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only thing I will say about that Raiders Jaguars game
that it came down to it was fourteen thirteen. Oh,
excuse me, it was at fourteen thirteen Jaguars. Then the
Raiders got the go ahead nineteen fourteen Jacksonville's final possession
down five a turnover on downs when to Ernest Johnson
from our Atlanta studios, will stop short of the sticks.

(46:31):
That's all I wanted to say. Anyway, if you're Antonio Pierce,
what are you doing? Why'd you win? Anyway? So come
to with all the all that matter. By the way,
I'll say New Orleans minus three hosting the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Right now, we've got Saints minus two.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
All right, that makes sense. Here's the thing the Giants
now again, if they lose out, they will have the
number one pick in the draft. Dion Sanders and Shador
Sanders publicly saying oh no, we'll play anywhere. Want to
play anywhere, though the rumblings behind the scenes or that
he only wants to play for the Cowboys or the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Well, cowboys ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Well, right, cowboys ain't happen anymore. Cowboys are seven and eight,
so okay, So he only wants to play for the Raiders.
Maybe he wants to finagle that. However, there are some
rumblings from some people in the know with the Giants
that say that they actually like cam Ward better than
they like Shador Sanders, So I kind of I don't know.

(47:26):
I think it's all I think everybody's interests are going
to be aligned, and I think maybe the Giants take
cam Ward number one.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
I don't know if you're I guess if you're Shador,
what would you rather be at the Giants or the Raiders?

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Like?

Speaker 4 (47:39):
I mean both programs historically. I mean, somehow the Giants
have won two Super Bowls this this century, but the
Raiders have.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Man it's still New York. Is still New York, though
it is true you make it there, you can make
it anywhere. Why Tom Jack, even though it's New Jersey.
So I don't But it's the New York Giants and
it's still the number one market in the country, and
so there's nothing. I mean, look, Eli Manning finagled it
so that he could play for the Giants, right. The
notion that you would want to play for the Raiders

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organization over anybody is you might love Vegas, But what
has the Raiders organization done too in any way make
it a desirable place. Like if this organization was elsewhere,
which is not obviously, but if it was elsewhere, you
would never choose to play for the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Why Yeah, if they were back in Oakland, I don't think.
I don't think Shore is going to be like, yeah,
I want to play for the Raiders. I mean since
they've come to Vegas. I mean, the biggest mistake that
the Raiders made was they didn't hire Rich Pisacia as
head coach. Didn't hire Pasacia the man went through two wildfires,
yes of a season and they still made the playoffs.
Didn't hire a Pisacia and then also hired Pierce because

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that's what Max Crosby and the players wanted. Was it
was it DeVante wanted it to, which is then't's funny
because then DeVante gets traded with four games in.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah, I would say Crosby was probably wielding the most power,
but yes, they I mean it's never, by the way,
whenever you go with what the players want, it never
works out. It rarely works out. Let's put it that way.
So you said New Orleans was two, I said three,
No problem there?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Next after that one Sunday, one pm Eastern time. We've
got the Colts against the Giants.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Okay, so the Colts are seven and eight, but they're
still in this if they you know, if the Broncos,
let's use the Broncos. Obviously this supplies to the Chargers too.
But if the Broncos lose to the Bengals and the
Chiefs again, the Chiefs might not have anything to play
for week eighteen. We'll see. But just play with me here.
If the Broncos lose both of those games and the
Chiefs win out ectually, me and the Colts win out.

(49:34):
The Colts right now have the tiebreakers over the other
two teams. They're tied with the Dolphins and the Bengals,
so the Colts are still playing real football. This was
a weird game they played with Tennessee yesterday. They spotted
Tennessee as seven to nothing lead on a Rudolph to
Ridley thirty eight yard touchdown pass, and then the Colts
proceeded to score thirty eight consecutive points to go up

(49:57):
thirty eight to seven. If you looked away, by the way,
you're like, wow O, this game's over. By the way,
Jonathan Taylor with a monster game after his dropped the
ball before crossing the goal line performance the other week,
and so.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
He definitely sent a bunch of people into the championships
in fantasy.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Oh for sure. Taylor twenty nine for two eighteen and
three touchdowns in this ball game. By the way, the
first touchdown he scored from sixty five out. Oh no,
The first one was from yeah. The first one was
from sixty five out. He ran the ball not only
threw the goal line but into the tunnel a lave

(50:34):
Bo Jackson. Later when he scored, he did the whole
sprinters thing where he like when they flex their chest
right as they get to the tape to try to
beat their opponent. He did that. So his teammates were
playfully trying to knock the ball away from after the touchdowns,
and it was thirty eight to seven, and then the
Titans cut it to thirty eight to fifteen on a
Polo touchdown with a two point conversion, then to thirty

(50:56):
eight to twenty two on a Westbrook a Keene six
yard catch on a Taija touchdown from two out, and
then Rudolph to Kankwo on the two point try. Indianapolis
needed first downs to seal it. They got him two
first downs, one by a by Richardson pass, one by
a Richardson run. Tennessee would only get the ball back

(51:16):
down eight points with one play, with the ability to
run only one play from their own ten yard line,
and Rudolph was picked by Kenny Moore Ballgame Giants. They
lose to Atlanta. This game was more noteworthy for being
Michael Pennix's debut as a starter. He has played before,
but this was his first start for the Atlanta Falcons.
I don't know that there was anything in this game

(51:38):
from Pennix that caused alarm. I don't know that there
was anything that made you overly joyful. It was kind
of a solid performance.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I know on the stat line it says you throw
an interception, but it was no fault.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
The interception was not his fault.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Is that here you go?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Oh, Kyle Pitt went right to Kyle Pitt's cradle and
he just sort of like then almost tossed it to
the defender. There's no need to go through this other
than Atlanta got two pick sixes. For the proponers of
the main scores of this game, or really the scores
that turned this game, if you could even use the
word turned.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
I guess guess what defense I was going up against
in my fantasy football playoff?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Oh, Atlanta, nicely, thank you, Drew Locke.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Third, definitely gont get any Christmas presents from me.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Thirty four to seven, Atlanta beats the Giants, and as
we said, the Giants are on the clock right now.
If they lose out, they've got the number one pick
in the NFL Draft. I will see Indianapolis, who still
has things to play for minus six and a half
at the Giants.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
We've got Colts minus seven and a half here on DraftKings.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Over the seven. Okay, I guess I can buy that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Next coming up next, we've got Sunday, still one o'clock
at Eastern time, Panthers against the Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
We talked a little bit about the Panthers beating the Cardinals.
Eliminating the Cardinals. Good on Bryce Young, by the way,
Bryce Young was You know, he has played much much
better this year after the benching Andy Dalton got those
few weeks in and then ever since then, Bryce Young
with except for the last week. Last week he had
a bit of a regression game, but he's been playing
really well. He did miss that horrible third and three

(53:07):
late wide open receiver that might have sealed the deal
for the Panthers, gave the Cardinals life, got it to overtime,
and thankfully for him, Carolina is still won in overtime.
But that was an ugly game. There were twenty penalties,
eleven on the Cardinals, nine on the Panthers. This is
Carolina at Tampa Bay. Did you see this game last night?
Tampa Bay in the driver's seat in the NFC South

(53:28):
not anymore. Atlanta and the Buccaneers now tied at the
top of the NFC South, but the Buccaneers have been
swept by the Falcons, so the Falcons currently have the tiebreaker,
which is what makes the move to Pennix for the
Falcons so interesting. It's like, man, you can make the
playoffs here and you're going with the rookie. Interesting. You

(53:49):
must really think Kirk Cousins has lost it completely, And
maybe he has. I'm not saying he hasn't, but it's
still a curious move when now you are in the
driver's seat, right if you gave Atlanta Falcons fans truth
serum and your goal here is to make the playoffs.
Would you rather have Kirk Cousins at quarterback these last
two games or the unknown quantity of Michael Pennix, who

(54:11):
I still think is an unknown quantity because he played
the Giants.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
I think you go Michael Pennix.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
You still think it's Michael Patkins.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Just Kirk Cousins just seems like a shell of himself
and the confidence is not there.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I'm a guy who has repeatedly talked about how I
don't think Kirk couzs. I mean, I'm you know, people
love Kirk Cousins. I'm a Washington fan. I got seven
years or six years of Kirk Cousins. I kind of
know where his limitations are. And I've said it repeatedly
on the show, but I kind of think I'd want
Cousins the last two games anyway. Tampa Bay yesterday you
kept thinking, a is Tampa Bay really going to lose?

(54:42):
This football game? Was three to nothing Dallas after a
fifty eight yard field goal from Aubrey, Who's just incredible
Tampa Bay. This was maybe a portent of things to
come fourth and three at the Dallas forty eight. On
the ensuing drive, three to nothing, down three to nothing.
Mayfield to a wide open Sterling Shepherd, he drops it,
drops it. Dallas five plays fifty two yards rushed to

(55:02):
jail and Tilbert ten to nothing Dallas. Later Tampa Bay
would cut it to ten to seven on a six
play fifty seven yard drive, sensational catch by Mike Evans
for twenty six early in the drive, then irving in
from two ten to seven. But then it would get
to thirteen to seven on an Aubrey field goal forty
nine yarder, and then Dallas eight plays eighty yards zeke
in from one twenty to seven Cowboys late second quarter

(55:24):
Tampa Bay, though, before the end of the half seven
plays seventy one yards Mayfield to McMillan from eleven out.
They'd cut it to twenty to fourteen. But before the
final play of that drive, Todd Bowles, for no apparent reason,
calls a timeout with fifty four seconds left at the
Dallas ten. So after the score, Dallas is left with
forty eight seconds, because no one scores with forty eight

(55:45):
seconds left on a clock anymore, especially when you have
a terrible kicker like Brandon Aubrey on the other side.
So what does Brandon Aubrey do fifty eight yards once again,
twenty three to fourteen Dallas at the half.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Is he the greatest kicker in NFL history?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Unbelievable and he's incredible. It's hard to say that, but
he's incredible. Tampa Bay got it to first intend the
Dallas twenty six to start the second half. They ended
up with a fourth and forty at their own forty four.
That's kind of all you need to know. Got to
twenty six to seventeen, Baker would get picked deep by
Jordan Lewis, who took it from McMillan on the way

(56:18):
into the end zone. Great play by Jordan Lewis. The
Dallas secondary was just incredible last night. Tampa Bay, then
late down nine would get a nine play, eighty seven
yard drive Baker to Ryan Miller from thirteen out to
cut twenty six to twenty four, but with two timeouts
in two minute warning, they did force Dallas at three
and out. Tampa Bay took over at their own twenty
six with one forty to go. Baker avoided the sacks.

(56:40):
He flipped it to Rashad White, but he's stripped by
Deron Bland on the way down. Ball game unbelievable, Dallas
the Secondary Yesterday, Tampa Bay minus four and a half
hosting Caroline.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
You are way off well, I've got bucks minus eight.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Ooh, that's way too high. Coming back.

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Speaker 1 (57:36):
Back on the Numbers Game Live from Circa Resort Casino
Hotel Downtow, Las Vegas, Gil Alexander with Wyatt Tom check
in for the vacationing Kelly Biddling. Merry Christmas to you,
by the way, Happy Honika, whatever you're celebrating. Happy Holidays
to you on what is always a nice time of year.
We should probably go back to what we're just talking
about moments ago one you had Buccaneers minus eight or

(57:56):
the market is Buccaneers minus eight hosting the Panthers. That's
a bet on the Panthers. For me, I might be
too low with my guess, but that's that's high.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Is that a bet because of the confidence you have
with Bryce Young's improvement as a player, or is it
just over all the Bucks just.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I just think Carolina, like Dallas, Carolina is playing out
the string here. They have not packed it in. And
as good as the Buccaneers are, you give me eight,
I'll take the eight. I could be I mean, it
could be very wrong. If Tampa Bay won by twenty one,
would I be shocked? I would not. But I'll take
eight in an NFL a late season game because you

(58:32):
can really tell who the teams are, like, you know
a lot of this punting stuff laden games Like I
think the Bears we haven't gotten. We did talk about
the Bears game, but we didn't talk about in that game
was when the Bears were down? Was it? I want
to get this exactly right, but they made it. They
opted to kick a field goal in the second half

(58:52):
that trimmed a three point a three score deficit to
a three score deficit, and you do wonder about teams
like that. You're like, oh, are they trying to You're
trying to lose here? New England did that right. New
England was like, oh, we're down ten, let's punt this
and then we'll get the cosmetic touchdown. Like you wonder,
You're like, was that really the optimal thing to do
if you're trying to win a football game. You see

(59:12):
none of that with the Cowboys. You see none of
that with the Panthers, who obviously are not playing You know,
the Cowboys kids are not playing for a really high
pick at this point. But I'm just saying they're part
of our handicapping job here is to try to figure
out who is playing this above board as you would
any game, and who is kind of making suboptimal decisions
when it comes late in the game. Not the players

(59:33):
on the field, just the decisions that are being made.
So I think the values on the Panthers there. The
other thing, though, is you were saying off air, which
I think is right if you would this game last
night was physical. Well, the hitting was awesome and they
weren't throwing flags right, And by the way, Dallas's hits
were all kind of legal. There weren't any flat flags
to be thrown. And the Vita Vea stuff was hilarious.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
That was so funny. We're just watching the play and
all of a sudden you just see Vidave, who three
hundred fifty pounds is just he went in coverage, sprinted
across the field and just swallowed up the poor I
think it was Jake Ferguson, who's probably where the heck
did you come from? That was hilarious. There was another hit.
I think Mike Evans got one when Baker was kind

(01:00:15):
of rolling out to his right and it was just
a beautiful hit right to the mid section playing the ball.
I was like, I know right when it happened, You're like,
all right, here comes to flag. And I think the
reps did a really good job of letting everyone play.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Kelly said on Twitter. He says, remember to include the
line when you give the matchup to Gil. That's what
the pros do. Talking about how he gave the line
last week, stringfellow Hawk, who was who we met after
the show, super Guy, he says he grabbed the Chiefs
minus two and a half. Yesterday. He said Jeff Schwartz
pointed out, which we did earlier today on the show.
He said, if they win Wednesday, oh, this is true.

(01:00:48):
I even short changed by a week because I have forgot,
of course, that they wouldn't even play the wildcard round.
He says, if the Chiefs win on Wednesday, that means
they would lock up the number one seed Christmas Wednesday,
so the Wednesday of week seventeen, so they get the
rest of week seventeen. Week eighteen doesn't matter because they
would have locked up the number one seed. They will

(01:01:09):
get the buye obviously with the number one seed wild
card weekend, so they would not play a meaningful game
until January eighteenth at the earliest, in the divisional round
of the playoffs January eighteenth. So what's that. That's twenty
four days between Christmas Day and January eighteenth.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
That is a lot. I mean, plus, if there's one
team that can do it, it's the Chiefs. But it's
kind of like, you know, when we have the MLB playoffs,
where it was up until the Dodgers winning it this year,
it was like nobody who had that first round by
was every time in the end ol they were getting
eliminated the first round, So it's like, do you want
to continue to play meaningful football as much as you
possibly can. It's kind of a glass half half empty,

(01:01:51):
half full.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
There's so many interesting quirks of this, right because first
of all, the Chiefs, by far, the first game we
went over is still the best for me, the best
value so far that we've done on the ship, even
more than Carolina, just because with Carolina you don't know,
you know, more volatile outcomes. But the Chiefs having the
prospect of twenty four days of rest or twenty three
days of rest in between more than three weeks. What

(01:02:14):
an incentive that is wrapping up the number one seed
Mahomes gets to rest. You think about that, and then
the survivor implications, because I mean there's over twenty people
that have you know, Pittsburgh available to them and survivor.
Are they really going to get in front of that
and pick the Steelers on Christmas with their over three

(01:02:36):
hundred thousand dollars intrinsic value entry. I mean I couldn't.
I just couldn't. So I mean there's all kinds of implications.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
I was also going to think, like picking against the
Chiefs and survivor of safet You have the Broncos for
the final week, Just thinking, who is the Chief's backup quarterback?
It's Carson Wentz, right, Yep. What's Carson's Carson Wentz incentive
to play that game? Is he playing to try to
get another job in the NFL like if it was
Chad Henny like last year, but I think he retired
after last year. No, he's a true backup. He's going

(01:03:06):
to be with the Chiefs forever. Is Carson Wentz going
to be like, Hey, this is my time to shine.
I need to show that I could still be a
starter in the NFL. That's another thing to kind of
take an integration.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
He'll of course have full effort in that as well.
But you're right you pointed out earlier Denver big fans
of the Chiefs on Wednesday, so that they even if
they lose to the Bengals the Boncos that is this week,
they would get a Carson Wentz led Chiefs team more
likely than not in Week eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
What's next coming up next year? After we did? Oh
this one? This game's ugly one pm Eastern time, Titans
at the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
No need to go over anything but some of the stats.
Tennessee gave up four hundred and fifty eight total yards
of the Colts. Remember they were up seven to nothing.
They trailed thirty eight to seven after the Colts score
thirty eight in a row. Thirty eight thirty was the
final as the Colts held on minus two and turnovers.
Were the Titans at that game? And then Jacksonville losing
excuse me, yeah, losing to the Raiders. Sorry Raiders fans,

(01:04:03):
Sorry about that. Thomas Junior. Good year for Brian Thomas
Junior in exile in Jacksonville nine catches for one thirty
two in a touchdown. They two were minus two in
turnovers against the Raiders. I'll say Jacksonville minus two and
a half. Hosting Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
We've got Jaguars minus one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Jag Wires minus one. But what are the Jaguars quiet?
What are they? They're also minus one? No?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Oh ya? Is this the Matt Brown Bengals Bengals?

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
He says Bengals with an I next.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Next when only have two games in the what would
be the one o'clock slate for US four or five
pm Eastern time Dolphins against the Browns?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Would you say there's only two games in the what
oh the lates yea lates list because there's so many
games on Saturday, Thursday, Wednesday, gotcha. Miami beats the Niners.
The seven and eight Dolphins still alive again for the
final wildcard position. Remember it's the The Chargers and the
Broncos are both nine and six, and then you have

(01:04:59):
the Colts, Dolphins, and Bengals all at seven and eight.
So again, Broncos and Chargers just have to win a
game and they're in. They control their own destiny. But
these teams are lurking. Miami beat San Francisco yesterday game
they led three to nothing, then Niners ten plays, seventy
yards Pertty to Debo for sixteen great effort touchdown where

(01:05:19):
Romo was like still Drew, still grinding in there, still pushing,
still pushing. It's like, okay, Tony seven to three San Francisco,
and then it was kind of all Dolphins. It was
seven to six Miami. Then in a late second, late
first half, eight plays sixty eight yards, two out a
Tyreek from three out, thirteen to seven. It would be

(01:05:39):
thirteen to ten at the half. Sanders, Who's awesome. Also,
by the way, fifty four yard field goal made it
sixteen to ten. Then Moody missed a forty one yard
drive for the Niners. Dolphins would get to fourth and
two at the San Francisco sixteen. They would say, you
know what, I don't think the Niners can do anything
on offense. Let's just kick a field goal to go
up nine. They did. Sanders thirty three yard field goal

(01:06:00):
nineteen to ten with a minute eight left in the
third quarter. San Francisco did get one more drive here,
touchdown drive nine play, sixty yards Perty to Salbert from
three out, nineteen to seventeen Dolphins with twelve oh two left.
The two teams would trade punts, then Sanders would get
a field goal forty eight yard twenty two to seventeen
s with two ten left in the game. So San
Francisco has the ball down five, first and ten at

(01:06:22):
their own forty seven Perty hit as he throws picked
by cater Coo who that's pretty much it. San Francisco
did have three timeouts left, but eight Chan made that
academic because he scored from fifty out twenty nine to
seventeen and that was your ballgame. As San Francisco turned
it over on downs. They're at Cleveland. We already talked
about Cleveland losing to the Bengals. Dtr ended up twenty

(01:06:44):
of thirty four with one to fifty seven, but he
was sacked five times. He threw two picks Miles Garrett
with the one hundredth sack of his career. That was
the positive point for the Browns. I'll say Miami put
it in no man's land minus five and a half
at Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
Right now on DK we have Dolphins. Mine is six
and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Okay, sure, let me just say this about the Niners
because I was on Will Hill. Will Hill was kind
enough to have me on the Shit Have Been More
podcast yesterday and one of the questions he asked me,
is you learn anything about any of the playoff teams
this weekend? I was like, not really, you know you
kind of there was nothing so amazing. This was before
Tampa Bay played last night. I was like, nothing really different,

(01:07:22):
I said, but the one team that I might say
something about is the Niners. Of the non playoff teams,
I was more Niners. I lasted on the Niners longer
than most people did before they finally realized, oh, there's
too many injuries that you can't have them anywhere close
to the top ten anymore. Have they gotten so bad
that it's more than just the injuries? Like I just

(01:07:43):
think that the Niners internally have to have that discussion,
like they have fallen so far off a cliff. Maybe
it is that, Maybe I'm being unfair, but the man
is it been a just absolute precipitous fall. We'll come back.
Skins are coming.

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(01:08:44):
We didn't say much about it, but because we'll talk
about it tomorrow with Pete. But four blowouts, with apologies
to Clemson, they kind of made it interesting. But the
I mean most of the I mean even that territory
it blow out territory, that's right, and the others were good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
God, oh, sim you. I felt bad for that quarterback
was just I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Know, the stage was too big or something like.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
You know, some of the throws You're just like, hey,
it was a great play by the defensive The defensive
players just sitting there, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yeah, it was. It was one of those moments where
you're like, oh, man, like, what was that? Over and
over though Notre Dame just crushed Indiana the night before,
so that by the time that Texas and Clemson rolled around,
I was like, and then Texas took the lead. I
barely saw Clemson making it interesting because I was like,
I got to do other things, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
It was funny about the Notre Dame game that really
just kind of threw me off. And this is just
you know, me knowing how TV works and whatnot. Watch
the game a home game at Notre Dame on ESPN.
I'd always watched a home game at Notre Dame on
NBC on NBC. It was it was so weird to
me to witness that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Well, looking forward to the quarterfinals anyway, Come come New
Year's Eve Day and New Year's Day itself itself, looking
forward to that, but we do have a wait for that.
There are two bowl games today, one of which is
already kicked off. Probably should have mentioned this. This is
the this is the Myrtle Beach Bowl that's going on
now Coastal Carolina and ut San Antonio. UTSA is a

(01:10:14):
twelve and a half point pre flop favorite in it.
I did not have any pre flop bets on this,
just because it's more of a homeish game for Coastal
Carolina here, so I didn't want to touch it. And
then a little later on it's the Idahoe the Idaho
Potato Bowl, pardon me, the Idaho Potato Bowl, which kicks
off in a few hours. Northern Illinois Fresno State. Northern

(01:10:37):
Illinois is a field goal favorite here. Northern Illinois, of course,
famously having beaten Notre Dame early in the season, season
got a whole bunch more choppy after that. And then
Fresno State has a lot of folks in the in
the portal, so I don't know what to make of
that game. Plus, Northern Illinois on the blue turf seems
a lot more foreign than it does Fresno State on
the blue turf, which we've seen many times before.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Yeah, although Northern Illinois could be in the mount West
here coming soon.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
So I have no pre flops in either of these
two bowl games, as once again the most low key
bowl season continues. As we're also focused on the colleg
football playoff again. We'll talk to a few tech about
that tomorrow. Also on the show, Will Hill with all
of his bets and NFL power rankings and an annual
tradition here on a numbers game where a middle aged

(01:11:24):
tribesman gives you his top ten favorite Christmas songs of
all time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
I'll considering in middle age.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, R and B flavor to them Mina in many cases,
but not all cases, we'll see Wham shows up, Paul
McCartney shows up, it's a whole thing. I take this
very seriously.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
People, will you be singing, I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Will not be saying. This is not a Matt Ewman's
West Reynolds situation. Great greatest video that on VS and YouTube,
great moment take It was the producer for that. He
did a fabulous job. Oh of course he was Brian
or Tega's north star. When he's a producer is what
will entertain me? And he hit the mark on that one.
All right, have we gotten to it yet?

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Your commanders know we've got one more game before that
Sunday for twenty five pm Eastern time. It is the
rivals of the commanders, the Cowboys and the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
The Cowboys and the Eagles. Oh okay, Cowboys and the Eagles. Well,
we get to talk about the commanders here. Cowboys, as
we said, beat the Bucks last night and deal the
Bucks a severe blow to their playoff hopes. All is
not lost. Buccaneers obviously still trying to win the NFC South,
but now the Falcons control their own destiny, as both

(01:12:30):
teams are tied at the top of the NFC South
and the Falcons already having swept the Buccaneers courtesy of
some good Kirk Cousins performances. I might add I can't
believe I'm the guy defending Cousins. Now, what a turn
of events. This is all right, Philly yesterday hosting Dallas
next week. But Philly loses to Washington because the kid
is magic. People, I'm telling you, Philadelphia start well. Let's

(01:12:55):
start with Washington with well fourth in inches at their
own forty nine. Washington decides to go forward. Robinson stuffed.
Philadelphia set up at the Washington forty nine. Saquon in
from two, eventually seven and nothing, Philly eleven to fifteen
left in the first quarter. Washington after a Luke McCaffrey
forty seven yard kickoff return first play, Robinson hit by
Jalen Carter fumble. Sorry what recovered by Nolan Smith Junior
bad first Fantasy team. Philadelphia set up at their own

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forty three, second and twenty at the Washington thirty four.
Hurts runs. Jalen Hurts's bell is rung by Frankie Louvu.
He gets up the official You could see it by
the way through his helmet. He looked like he was loopy,
and the officials saw it and they said, why don't
you take a seed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Did you see he gets the thumbs up?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah, he was like wow, Judge Silin Bunny and Jalen
Hurts never to return in this football game. And concussions
are you know when we talk about okay, who do
you think who do you really believe is going to
eventually be the number one seed now in the NFC.
Obviously Philadelphia is behind the eight ball now, a game
behind both the Vikings and Lions. Who could be could

(01:13:58):
be not necessary, but it could be headed to a
winner take all showdown in week eighteen if they both
win out here next week, or as long as the
Vikings don't lose and the Lions win, let's put it
that way. In week seventeen, that's what it will be.
But you wonder, concussion protocol is a funny thing because
you have to get through these certain levels. We don't

(01:14:20):
really know as fans or as betters where that is.
We just hear what we hear. So he either, you know,
kind of is available or he's not. I mean, obviously
with Philadelphia that's the story number one. Not having lost
this football game being story number two, I would say,
But Philadelphia set up their own forty three second and
twenty at the Washington thirty four hurts, his bell is rung.
He leaves the game, never to return. Kenny Pickett is

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in four plays later, pick it to Brown from four
out touchdown. It is fourteen to nothing Philly with seven
oh eight left in the first quarter. And then another
three and now from Washington. This is a big play
picket second and seven at their own eighteen pick by Louvu.
Washington set up at the Philly twenty. Daniels to Crowder
from six out. Remember Jamis and crowd are pour ten
of things to come. Fourteen to seven Philly, three twelve

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left in the first quarter. This is still all first
quarter Philadelphia. Then two plays sixty nine yards Saquon one yard,
then sixty eight to the house, twenty one to seven
Eagles with two eighteen left in the first And remember
at this point Saquon has one hundred nine yards rushing
in the two touchdowns. Washington the matriculates first and tenth
the Philadelphia sixteen. The Robinson hit by Dejene fumbles, DeShane recovers,

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and here's the thing. It's like, Okay, pickets in hurts
us out. If you're a Washington fan or a Washington
backer like myself, You're like, okay, you gotta take advantage
of picket being in and hurts out, but you can't
keep making these mistakes over and over. And then Washington
was so hurts ruled out. At this point in the game,
Philly uh has. Philly has to punt Washington Daniels to

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Diami for fifty. Then Jayden converts a fourth and three
with the five yard scramble four plays later than three
plays later third and eight from the Philly thirty two
to the incomparable Terry McLaurin. What a beautiful pass and
catch in the corner of the end. So twenty one
to fourteen, six forty six left in the second quarter.
Washington A couple drives later, first play, first intent their
own thirty three Daniel bad overthrow picked by CJ. Gardner

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Johnson that led to an Elliot fifty six yard field
goal tribe which was short, so it goes to the
half twenty one to fourteen Eagles.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Was that the play that CJ. Gardner Johnson also got
ejected when he had the pick?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Did he get ejected?

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
He got ejected, and I think he gave I think
he told the commanders fancy if they were number one,
sick was going off the play and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Now number one after this one, Philly maybe in the division.
You are twenty four to fourteen now Philly Washington third quarter,
second play, second intent, their own thirty seven Daniels to Diami,
hit by zach Bond, he fumbles. Nolan Smith Junior recovers.
Just mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake for Washington.
You gotta take advantage of herds being out and picking it,
and they're not at this point. Elliott forty yardfield goal

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makes it twenty seven to fourteen with just over three
minutes left in the third quarter. Washington last play of
the fourth, fourth and eleven for the Skins at the
Philly forty one. Daniels for twenty nine because he's amazing.
Then three plays later, Jaydon to Olamide z Achaias from
four out, twenty seven to twenty one Philly thirteen thirty
three left in the fourth quarter. After Philly punt, Washington

(01:17:12):
seven plays eighty seven yards. Jaden to z Achaius breaks
two tackles for forty nine into the end zone. Philly
still had twelve men on the field. Didn't matter. Touchdown
Washington leads twenty eight twenty seven, first lead of the
game with nine h six left, but then Philly with
some magic of their own fourth and one at their
own forty three, Picket to Smith for four, then fourth
and seven at midfield, Picket to Brown breaks a tackle

(01:17:34):
for fifteen, then third and fifteen, Piket gains eight. They
throw a flag for playing football on a late slide,
late hit, but they correctly pick it up. Elliott fifty
yard field goal good thirty to twenty eight. Philly with
three forty eight left, and then Washington third and five
at their own forty You want another mistake, here's another one. Jayden,
bad pass picked by Blanket Ship You're like, you gotta

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be kidding. Five turnovers. This is how we're gonna lose this.
By the way, Philadelphia up to with two fifty three
left in the game of the Washington twenty seven, third
and five at the Washington twenty two. They get it
to there, Smith drops a pass from Picket that ends
up being bad for Washington backers in the moment Elliott
because that leads to a field goal that made it
a five point difference thirty three to twenty eight. Bad

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for Washington ats, but Washington money line players, you're like, Okay,
that's not the worst thing in the world anyway. You
know what happens. Washington takes over at their own forty
three with one to fifty two left in the fourth quarter,
twenty nine yard after a twenty nine yard McCaffrey return
an illegal formation on Philly to Zicicaias for seven, Robinson
for five to mcclauran for ten, rolls out of bounds
because he's smart, Jayden for twelve to mccaorran for seven.

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Daniels from two, final time out Philly fourteen at the
Philly fourteen with twenty three seconds left, Robinson for five,
Spike second a goal to nine with ten seconds left.
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the way, the two that I made already this morning? No,
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the Pants. I got the Chiefs minus two and a
half on Wednesday gain for all the reasons we stated,
which is, Boy, would the Chiefs love to have twenty
four days to rest before their first playoff game and
then just have to play two games at Arrowhead to

(01:19:44):
a win? Obviously easier said than done. But man, would
they like to get Week eighteen off the docket for them?
If you will? So I'm on that and also going
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I mean, I don't have to, no one's forcing me to,
but that seems way too high to me. You anything me?

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
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Get tweets at beating the book. This is from a
Buddhist man. He says, it's just too over the top.
Why it is after brandishing the UNLV Women's basketball Mountain
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(01:20:56):
noticed that myself. I just wonder if Wyatt got the
physic where they asked him if he wanted a ring
and then they deducted the costs directly from his pay No.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
No, no, part part of the team. Part of the team.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Part of the team. Yeah, well you're the announcer. That's true.
You are part of the team.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Three straight championships. The start of a conference season will
be next Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Ryde tops of recapping the Commanders game, he sounded like
Todd Wishnev on the megapod when he gets the radio
call for the future. All that was missing was somebody
diving for the pylon. Yeah. I didn't do wish Nev justice.
I just I will say this though, And I didn't
even guess the spread for Philly hosting Dallas because I
think there's two spreads you can guess here, one with Hurts,
one without. I think it's minus three and a half
without minus nine and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
With Right now, DK, it's been jumping up and down
a lot. Right now we're at minus nine and a half,
so I think they're.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Thinking assuming, Yeah, oh wow, pretty pumped that I nailed
it after my horrific Tampa Bay one. I just want
to say this about Washington though. It is really as
a Washington football fan. When they got the ball for
that last possession, you just I have felt like, Oh,
he's going to matriculate the ball down the field and
they're gonna win this football game, and they did. The

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Jamis Crowder, Jamison Crowder again, Jamison Crowder in his a
second stint with Washington here in his career. Daniels makes
the pass touchdown. This is the third fantastic finish at
FedEx now called Northwest Stadium this year. Obviously there was
the Hail Miriam against the Bears. There was the Terry

(01:22:25):
McLaurin eighty four yard dash to the end zone, followed
by the miss extra point to lose to Dallas. And
now this against Philly. And you know, people talk about
all the Bengals, they are the team on the outside
looking in. You don't want to play in the playoffs.
I have said all year long, as big of a
fan of as you know, I grew up on the skins,
as big as a fan that I am of that team,

(01:22:45):
I've been very realistic about the fact that they're no
better than the eighth or ninth best team football because
they haven't beaten anybody, and they're probably you know, their
ceiling is at max. Win one playoff game and then
let's not get crazy after that. Even that's you know,
like the height of the height ceiling. I believe they're
kind of you don't want to play the miss either.
I will say that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
I will say that jayde Daniels is a matchup nightmare.
The scrambling ability, it's so good and it could just
be so backbreaking. As a Packer fan, I'm still having
nightmares about Colin Kaepernick crunning the Reid option against US.
But when you have that athleticism, it helps win you
games a lot more than not.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Philly just could not get them off the field. Could
not get them off the field. Now could they also
go down in a fury crash, of course, but it
would still be At this point, it's still no matter what.
What a season based on expectations, what a season for
Washington as they have not yet clinged a playoff birth.
By the way, they still have work to do here
heading into the final two weeks. As far as oh

(01:23:44):
which brings us, I guess I was gonna say they.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Can do that hopefully on Sunday for you Sunday night
football game Falcons against the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Flexed in Sunday night game Atlanta at Washington again. Implications
for all this. Atlanta currently in the driver's seat in
the NFC South with the tiebreaker for Tampa Bay, but
they don't want to falter because Tampa Bay's schedule is
super duper easy down the stretch. By the way, that's
the thing that makes this also interesting. Tampa Bay who
needs help from Atlanta. Their schedule is easy. And those

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three teams on the outside looking in, or at least
two of the three teams on the outside looking in
in the AFC talking about for the wildcard now Miami
and Indianapolis their schedules are super easy and Cincinnati, while
not easy, they get to play Denver directly, so they
have some say at least in the short term here
on this. So Atlanta has you know, Atlanta wants to

(01:24:34):
keep winning to win the NFC South Washington their magic
number is one. They just got to win once and
they will have clinch to play out d they can
clinch it here. This feels very Robert Griffin. Iid when
RG three was in his rookie year, Washington clinched the
NFC East on a Sunday night at home against Dallas. Well,
this kind of has that feel to it. Panis yesterday

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again in his debut for the Falcons, debut as a starter,
I should say, eighteen of twenty two two no touchdowns,
one pick that was not his fault. He was not
sacked as the Falcons held the Giants two hundred and
thirty four total yards. And remember they got two pick sixes,
so there's that four hundred excuse me, plus two and turnovers.
Also Washington, Jaden twenty four of thirty nine for two

(01:25:18):
fifty eight, five touchdown passes, two interceptions, uh, and he
was sacked once. He also gained eighty one yards on
nine carries. For the presumptive Rookie of the Year. The
only question, again, as I said earlier on the show,
is he unanimous at this point or not? I know
there was a bo Nicks moment there a few weeks back.
Stop it already. And about that Washington Philly game, one

(01:25:41):
last thing about it. If you're a Philly fan, you
get to say, well, Jalen Hurts got hurt, so you know,
we can't be too upset about it. We could have
won that game. Saque's rushing sort of fell off a
cliff once Hurts went out of the game. By the way,
maybe Philly fans will appreciate Jalen Hurts a little more
after this game, so they get to say that, whereas

(01:26:03):
Washington gets to say, that's all fine and dandy, but
we committed five turnovers. You had a million chances to
win this game, and we still won. So I think
both teams kind of can leave that game feeling good
about themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
And if you look at it, for the Eagles, that
DeVante Smith drop.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
The Devonte Smith, which again, let me let me make
clear what I was talking about with the betting implications.
At that moment, if you had Washington ATS, you were
you were probably hoping for Smith to catch that pass,
get tackled, and then the Eagles could probably run out
the clock at that point. Instead, you got the drop,
Philly gets to kick the field, weeel to go up five,

(01:26:39):
and you're like, well, now we got to win it.
So the money line people didn't care about that at
that moment. But well, the moneyline people, the moneyline people
actually loved the drop at that point because Washington got
the ball back. But the ATS people were like, oh, no,
I had I was Washington ATS. So for me, I
was like, well, Jayden do your thing, and he did.

(01:26:59):
I will say, Washington at home against Atlanta, Washington minus six.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
We've got Commanders minus four.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Disrespectful. Take the Skins. That's what I said last week
when Kelly said that it was only three against Philly,
Philly was a three point favorite. I said, disrespectful. I'll
say this is disrespectful as well. I'm gonna bet Washington here.
We've got three bets only four huh against a rookie
quarterback in Michael Pennicks. Yes, rookie. I know, I know
Washington's got a rookie two, but at this point he's
basically a second year player. After all, he's played versus Pennis.

(01:27:27):
Interesting only four huh. That surprises me a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Get you fired up? You ready for the last game?

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
Final game here Monday night, Lions at forty nine Ers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
All right, Lions are thirteen and two, and again, while
they are atop the NFC North by current tie breaker,
it will only matter come Week eighteen. Like if Lions
win this game against the Niners and the Vikings take
care of business. Those are two big ifs. But if
those things happen, then it's for all the marbles Week eighteen,

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Lions and Vikings, for not only the NFC North, but
for the number one seed in the conference. And of
course the buy that goes along with that. They got
to take care of business. The Lions golf against the
UH the Bears twenty three of thirty two four three
thirty six, three touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked once.
Gibbs twenty three for one oh nine and a touchdown
on the ground in David Montgomery's absence, Jamison five catches

(01:28:23):
for one forty three four hundred and seventy five total
yards of offense for the Lions, who again, the play
they'll be remembered for was the fake fumble play that
led to the golf to laport a touchdown early second half.
And then there's San Francisco, and I meant what I
said earlier. Are we sure it's not all just the
spate of injuries that maybe they actually something is a miss?
Beyond that? Perty twenty six of forty for three thirteen.

(01:28:45):
What of the Niners? We talk about what do the
Vikings do with Darnold after this season? The Niners probably
got to pay Purty eventually here. I don't think you
play hardball with him anyway. He actually led the Niners
in rushing with twenty six yards kit a eight for
one one six eleven penalties for ninety though in defeat
against the Dolphins, I will say the Lions minus five
and a half on the road at San Francisco a.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Little bit high. We've got Lions minus three and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
A half, only three and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
I gotta think with all the injuries that Detroit's had.
I know forty nine ers have a lot too, but
maybe that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Wow, I didn't expect those last two. But I really
like Washington and Detroit at the numbers that are currently
out there. All right, there was value, after all, a
flourish at the end

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