Beating The Book: 2025 Super Wildcard Weekend NFL MegaPod Betting Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
To check it down Man Wednesday, January twenty five, beating
the book podcast for Super Wildcar weekend in the National
Football League, Gil Alexander with the two staples of the show,
can't believe the regular season is over. That's Will's line,

(00:21):
but I really can't believe it. Todd wishing to bottom
the bottom left, I guess for people from his mom's
cork attic outside of Pittsburgh, PA. The star of the
showtime Docuseriies Action and newly crowned megapod handicapping champion Todd
Wishnet Take your bow.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Todd, I'll wait to do it properly. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Will Hill in his Vikings Colors, although I think it
says Los Angeles nonetheless Vikings fan. Do he knows he's doomed?
He feels doomed. Will Hill everybody and not the Will Hill,
the host of the Should Have Bet More podcast, part
of the fare Best Podcast Empire at Fox Sports, where
he and the upset of the Year managed to avoid

(01:07):
scathing scandal this past week. Well done, Will, so far.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Guys love Wildcard Weekend. It is near the top of
the list for in terms of the sports calendar. You know,
March madness. You can just pick out your favorite days,
your favorite sports, but Man, wildcard weekend is just about
as good as it gets.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
It is the best weekend, right. We got to college
football one Thursday night, one Friday night semifinals, then two
NFL games on Saturday, three on Sunday, one on Monday.
It don't get no better than this.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I believe it. What you will, I'll soundly disagree with
both of you. The football season is coming to an end,
which is a very sad time for all humanity because
we are going to have to wait months and months
until it all comes back. A couple of games is
very paltry and is not enough. Obviously. It's like having

(01:58):
like a little here's your dinner. You're gonna get half
a thing of mashed potatoes and like it not going
to work.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm sorry, you know I feel that way after the
division round, but we still have two more weeks of
solid but I hear you. After that, the depression sets it.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
It did hit home when Scott Hansen on the Red
Zone Sunday late afternoon says we'll see in September as
he signs off.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Wow, a long way away.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
What Do you suppose a guy like that does the
rest of the year.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I would still be thinking about that. Does he have
another job? Does he anchor some of those shows? Because
if not, Man's that's a pretty sweet gig.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
He does w NBA Red Zones. Do you guys don't
watch WNBA Red Zone?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
You're right, and now let's go live to the Seattle
Storm beating the Mystic Holy Cow.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Who's your favorite w NBA player, Dodd? Who is it again?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Oh? I don't. I don't know anything about that league.
I'll tell you, I don't know how to thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
The black box that you see is one of our
favorite gets. Yes, Actually, to be honest with you, he
was here early in the year. He's kind enough to
do a playoff pod with us as well. Maybe the
best NFL Twitter follow there is. He hates when I
say that, but he's certainly up there in the conversation.
Cleave ta courtesy of the Twitter machine. How you doing, man?

Speaker 5 (03:18):
You can't see me, but I'm shaking my head. No
on that one, I'm definitely not the best. I appreciate
it though. It's the best I've looked on video, so
you I appreciate it. But I do agree with Todd
by the way, on this. I do agree with Todd
like I like the potpourri of game. I like a
bunch of games on at the same time. I don't
care if it's I tweeted this two weeks don't get

(03:40):
Titans Jags. Like everyone was complaining about Week seventeen that
there's no good games. I said, you're gonna regret this
in a few months. You're gonna be wishing you had
Titans Jags. So as good as Wildcard weekend is, and
it's great, it's just one game at a time. If
it's a blowout early, then it just kind of you
just sit there and wait for.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
The next game.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
And so I like having a bunch of games uh
on at the same time, even if they're bad ones.
But yeah, it's it's a good week on my block.
Guys playing Friday, so hopefully, uh hopefully they got to
win here. Uh look, I really need h really need
a title in this uh in my it's been a while.
Uh so looking forward to the weekend against Texas.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
You're not one of these ten years.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
It hasn't been that long.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Actually, it was about ten years ago. I was at
that it was in Dallas actually where the Cotton bowls
and uh.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Again the Oregon almost by the same score. They just
beat him.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yeah that was a that was a beatdown. But yeah, no,
I know it's just more uh selfishly just before I
feel like Ohio State, with all that talent, should have
more than you know one every.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I was with all of the preseason predictions anyone made.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Cleave t A's Vikings are a sleeper and the way
he laid it out was about as good as any
So hat tip there.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
What do you have get Kevin O'Donnell home for Coach
of the Year to really sweep the board. We're worried
about it, but we'll see. I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
What's your number? What's your number? Cleave? Twenty eight to one,
twenty eight to one. That, by the way, I find
this thinking ridiculous, but I should probably bring it up.
Do you believe that the Vikings getting smacked by the
Lions is going to change some voters votes on that?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
If you had to guess, yes, just because that's just
human nature of these voters. It's just how they think.
That's why I someone mentioned that to me last week.
I said, that's why I love to bet on these
awards because it's if you just put yourself in the
shoes of these voters, you can really kind of isolate
what they look for. It I use all these historical

(05:45):
patterns or the types of you know, I made fun
of the whole Jared Goff MVP stuff because it's like,
I know how people vote because we've got a pattern
of thinking, and you know, what happens last really matters.
Now I'm not saying it's going to sway all votes.
You could still win. I mean he was a big
favorite on FanDuel I saw last week, but uh or
you know, after the game, but you know, you see
it on Twitter. You see guys like Adam Schefter, and

(06:08):
I think Bill Barnwell picked Campbell that you know they'll
carry the water for these coaches, and the guy like
Campbell is very well liked, so you know it is possible.
I will say there are a handful of voters like
Mina Chimes. She sent her voting prior to week eighteen,
So that tells me that that has to be a
Kevin O'Connell though, right, Like, there's no like you wouldn't
send it in early unless you likely have O'Connell. So

(06:31):
I do feel better about those. I wish I had
knew how many actually centers in early, because then I
can kind of count those as kind of almost all KOC,
if not all, but the ones that held on and waited,
you know, might might might be swayed here. We'll see.
You just never know with some of these, some of
these voters. But I think it's gonna be close.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I love Mina, but I wish you wouldn't turn it
in early.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
I wish I don't understand why, you know, what's what's
the reasoning. I'm not really sure I get it unless
just kind of get off your desk, but I don't.
I mean, you've got a responsibility just wait for all
the games.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Are you one of these Ohio state fans that even
if they win the national championship, you're gonna be like, yeah,
well we didn't beat Michigan.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
No, I'm a complete opposite of that. The national titles
all that matters. I mean, the rivalry is great. Hate Michigan,
but it's different than it was, you know, you know,
ten twenty years ago or even just a couple of
years ago. And there's no playoff because that's all it
was if you lost to Michigan, you couldn't win the title.
So they go hand in hand. Whether the old John
Cooper days, he had great, great rosters, he had Eddie, George,

(07:32):
Orlando Pays. It's just you know, on and on, and
he couldn't beat Michigan, and so they would always end
up with, you know, one one loss or two losses
and go to the Citrus Bowl and couldn't win the title.
So it was major disappointment back then. But now you know, okay,
stinks that you lost to them, but you could still
win the title, and that's that should be the ultimate goal.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Todd wishinge, is it time yet to take your bow?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Sure we could talk about that. I don't mind. We
can talk about that. I mean I could talk a
little bit more about why Ohio State, who lost to Michigan,
is a little bit overrated. I think at this point,
just because of their big win. I think people are
sleeping on the fact that Ohio State looked so amazing
against Oregon. They're just they're just cruising for a bruising.

(08:16):
As my dad used to say, too much Ohio State love.
In my opinion, same.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Thing with the Raids.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I agree the line is.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Definitely I had made I made the Ohio State line
three and a half, so I do think it's definitely
a flate at five and a half six. I just
would never I mean, obviously I would never bet my
against my own team right now, but I also wouldn't
stand in front of that train. You never know, like
when you get to these playoff situations, a team with
the most talent, you know, rises to the top, and
you know it's not it's just like Yukon last year

(08:44):
in hoops, it's you just don't want to stand in
front of that train, even though your season long numbers
might say otherwise.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So you talent cleve, Yukon showed why they were a train.
I don't think Ohio State was a train this year.
They lost to Michigan and they weren't that impressive. I
you know, everybody's oh the house State, they're so great,
Oh that receiver is amazing. They're not that great.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
But Yukon wasn't dominant in the regular season last year.
If I recalled, like they did have some stumbles, they
were good. Well, they were kind of waiting the tournament.
So that's the only reason why I sit down. But
I agree, like Ohio State definitely has hiccups, and Texas
up front, their problem is you know, up the middle.
Their offensive line is and issue with multiple injuriespecially at center,

(09:30):
so you know that could be an issue. I just
I don't believe in Quinn yours and I think they're
gonna you know, they lost twice at Georgia. Didn't look great,
you know, against the only real defense they faced, So
I think this is going to be a tough task.
But I agree. I mean, the lines inflated. I just
wouldn't stay in front of them.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I don't like Sarcoso. Sark is terrible.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
All right, some of us have another podcast TB alone.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Sorry, oh, we gotta get the other cub Okay, so
let's just talk about the records. The final records are
info and for the second time in three years. If
you're scoring and oh, the champion and unbelievable picker of
the year, that's Big Tea with a thirty one and
twenty three record. If you all remembered going into last week,

(10:17):
Gilly needed ah to two for me and A two
and oh bim because we were both matched on the
Kansas City Chiefs and there was no cheating folks. I
texted the picks to Willy early. We all texted early.
Wait didn't happen? Why didn't it happen? Because I told
you it was going to be cold in Pittsburgh, and
was it cold in Pittsburgh. It was freezing at Pittsburgh.

(10:37):
And an easy winner. And then the other easy winner
as well, the over in Tampa Bay. What wasn't so easy?
But anyways, with all that said, I have to take
kudos now, granted it wasn't the season that Gilly had
last year. Look, I can be a grateful winner. Last
year's season by Gil Alexander was one for the record books.
We may never see it in our lifetimes again. At

(10:59):
thirty five eighteen and one last year, that is quite outstanding,
no doubt. But a solid thirty one and twenty three
for the w I'll take it on the teaser world.
Gilly five twelve and one, Willie seven nine and two
looked like he was gonna win the teaser championship, but
he doesn't because I come out of nowhere to win
the teasers as well at eight and ten by percentage

(11:21):
points that the guest at seven and eleven, so a
double champion.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Let me let me comment about your win. Your win,
by the way, you beat me by a game and
a half because we both went to and zero on
our other two picks. So you beat me by a
game and a half this year. Two years ago, you
beat me by a half game because I had a
pick in the tomorrow Hamblin game. So you end up
winning on percentage. I would argue, I'm gonna give your
props here. I would argue that your what was your

(11:47):
record this year?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Thirty one and one, thirty one and twenty three, thirty
one and twenty three.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
You're thirty one and twenty three this year, in a
year that was tougher than last year by most people's accounts,
might be just as good as my thirty five seventeen
eighteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Five eighteen and one. Will never be, will never be,
you know that will never.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
But it's still but it's still very You still ended
up with a really good record in a year where
most people got beat. So kudos Todd Wish, nev everybody
Todd Wish more than just a jokester.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
You know, it's funny because I think that too, Like, man,
what a tough year it was, But you could also
look at it the other way, and I was like, yeah,
it's just pretty straightforward, like the better teams won, the
better teams covered for most.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Of the year.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
So it is interesting how you can look at it
both ways.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
You will calling you a yeah, I not want to
say it, but you know, a square ball maybe is what.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
By the way, Cleve, it makes sense that he would
say that. But if if we go back and research
the data. Okay, most of my wins came on the
back of excellent over undercalls, not on just blindly betting favorites.
I have very few favorite it's actually with my thirty
one and twenty three. So as usual, a poor job

(13:04):
by my good friend will Hill trying to cast dispersions
on my championship and call.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
All of the credit is all the accolades are deserved. Congratulations,
no dispersions.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I want to give a shout out Shooter Shooter mcgamblin
on Twitter. Shooter mcgamblin, that is your real name.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I know you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Shooter mcgamblin took very very clean and precise notes on
not just our Dumbo of the Week winners for the
whole year, but he did all of our Dumbo of
the Week nominations. Who do you believe ended up with
double the nomination six? Ream raheem rem no, No, I

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was surprised by this.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Oh give me one second to think about it. So
double the nominations of anyone else.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
The number one person who had the most most nominations
had six during the course of the year. Double Matt
ebberflus'es three.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
So it's not Tomlin. I'll say Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
No, and I have a good guess.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Okay, what you there?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You go?

Speaker 5 (14:12):
I was gonna say Antonio Pierce, like no, sorry, yeah, peer, peers.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Apologize, skip out of my mouth. Antonio Pierce with six
and just a couple of highlights. I'm talking talking about
this on the radio side this morning.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Billy. There's multiple fourth downs in a game, so he
had so many opportunities.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Uh, you pick your favorite. Week one, Raiders fourth and
one at the Chargers forty three, down six with seven
to fifteen to go, he decides to punt or Week
seven might be my favorite. Ten to eleven left, they're
down eight to the Uh who are they playing? Down?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Eight?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
The Rams fourth and goal at the Rams nine with
two fifty to go, down eight. He kicks the twenty
seven yard field goal. That's the winner. That's the moment.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
My favorite because I had I had the Raider in
that game.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I said, he's he's playing to cover.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
He's my favorite coach. He was for one week. I
fleeed on him.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I believe he did it a couple of times. Actually
there were a number of times that he kicked field
goals to cover the spread.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Anyway, I appreciate Shooter mcgambillan doing this this last week.
By the way, dumble of the week had to be
Matt Lafleur. Right, we agree on that Packers had the ball,
they get that fumble, that ridiculous fumble that the Bears
are just running out the clock. But then DJ Moore
gets hit he fumbles, so the Packers are set up
at the Bears forty three with one forty nine left.
Malik will Is still in the game. Then one p

(15:35):
thirty one left in the game, the Packers run the
ball on second and four. Keep in mind there down
to instead of draining all the clock and using one
of their three timeouts which they had in pocket, the
Packers snapped the ball with fifteen seconds on the play
clock on third and two with one oh five on
the clock. Then they call time out with fifty eight seconds.
They don't let it bleed, and Lafleur would later say

(15:58):
they were deciding whether to go ford or not. So
fourth and fourth the Chicaga thirty seven. They elected to
try at McMahons fifty five yard field goal, which miraculously
goes through, but the Bears get the ball back with
fifty four seconds left and Caleb Williams magic ends up
getting the Bears in field goal position and they win.
Matt Lafleur, You're Dumble of the week. I don't think
there's a but that is.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
So obviously horrible that you have to sometimes start to
shake your head and go, how is this possible? It
doesn't seem possible at this point some of these for
I remember shaking our heads at something else earlier in
the year. You're just like, this can't be for real.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It was almost like there was was unbelievable, Pierce.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Thing is was it when the flour threw the ball
up thirty four to nothing in the fourth quarter of
what was the score on that.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Same No that was remember that that was just him
being lane Lane kiff On the floor. But for instance,
I'll give you an example. We're watching that bowl game
and on three consecutive plays there's a question of whether
a touchdown was scored or not. I think it was
the Texas State Bowl game, and there was no reviews.
There was on a single review. I've watched college football.

(17:03):
I watched eight million games, that's an exact number, eight
million games. I have never seen them not review three
plays in a row that were clearly reviewable, every single
one of them. And Gilly was losing his mind because
I believe he had Texas State regularly and they weren't
reviewing the plays. And I'm like, now, I'm starting to
wonder what. Then we had the whole fiasco in New

(17:25):
Orleans where the clock all of a sudden stopped when
it's not supposed to stop because the ref forgot the rules.
Some of these things are getting so egregious that I'm
starting to have very sinister thoughts.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
The text, I know what you're getting at the Texas
State thing in the non reviews was the first time
I ever decided maybe those you know, the fix the
rigged crowd, maybe they're not so crazy after all. Like
I was like, what the what the fuck is this right?

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Like?

Speaker 1 (17:54):
How is this not being reviewed? I would say it
on the on the radio side this morning about you
know so so Mike Rabel is out there, right, and
what's a better job? The Patriots are the Raiders. I
was sort of tossing that around, but I got to
if you are a GM or an owner, isn't the
only quality, Like if you're searching for a new head coach,

(18:16):
for me, I don't care if what your x's and
o's expertise is. I think you can delegate that, like
I think I think Rufus said it. You know, the
CEO model not so bad for a coach. For a
head coach, I just want to know that you, as
the head coach, know how to think your way out
of in game situations. And Vrabel has shown that right.

(18:39):
Remember he did the uh he exploited that loophole in
the rule where if you take the delay of game
if you're up over five.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Years at Belichick's trick against him. Belichick wasted a meaningless
game against the Jets, and Belichick was smirking he likes
sticking it to the Jets. It was like Week three,
ro up thirty to nothing, Meanwhile, Rabel says, all right,
I'll use your check against you in the playoffs and
it was really effective.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
That's all I want to know. That's that's all you need.
That you're my coach, and the rest can fall into play.
And I think, I think these these oders and these
gms outthink themselves past that stuff because of all this
ship we see week to week of how dumb what
Todd's talking about, how dumb these guys can be when
it comes to just the stuff that we find obvious.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
But some of it Gilly is just dumb. And then
there's stuff that you have to start shaking your head
like there's dumb, and then there's like, come on, now,
what are you talking about? Seriously? Like this flafloor thing
you're talking but he hasn't been at the end of that.
Guy's actually a pretty good coach. He doesn't know the
you know, when Raheem Morris screws it up. Okay, I

(19:41):
understand you could looking at him on the sidelines, he
looks like a deer in the headlights and he doesn't
know what he's doing. Every week to week, same thing
with Antonio. But some of these guys are good coaches,
and you know, I mean, wasn't there. I don't know
it Just some of this stuff is getting a little
too sketchy for him me, you know, And I'm starting
to wonder, I'm starting to make Look, not all conspiracy

(20:04):
theories are true, of course, but if one out of
ten of them is, that's still pretty big deal, you
know what I mean. I'm not like, what was this?
What was the answer on the Saints in the Saints game?
Because the ref doesn't know that all of a sudden,
the ref doesn't know the rules with nine seconds? But
what are you talking about? We made a mistake. You
didn't make a mistake. What are you talking about? You

(20:26):
never made a mistake.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Todd is referring to Jalen McMillan caught a deep pass
from Baker Mayfield on the fourth and long. He then
mimicked the gunfire and they flagged him.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
No, I wasn't talking about that, No Saints. Oh yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah. And so after that play, this is what I
think you're talking about. You tell me if I'm wrong.
After that, they moved the ball back because of the
because of that penalty, and the refs called it first
in goal from the twenty four for like five minutes.
They couldn't figure out that it was first and ten,
and we literally even the announcers like, what is wrong
with him? You can't do it. So I was talking.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
About that, but it's another great example of you don't
even know the rules. I was talking about how the
guy at the one yard line in the Saints Redskins
game stopped the clock for four seconds, three or four
seconds for no reason. I mean that one, to me
is so egregiously ridiculous. What what is an explanation? We
made a mistake. That's not an explanation. What is the

(21:27):
explanation the guy's waving his hands to stop the call?
Because why you're not reffing a college game? What is it?
Did you did you think you were reffing a college
There's not even explanation given.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
The bigger thing. And I want to give Will credit
because I think Will was the first on text to
bring this up, which is someone needs to do an
expose on replay Assist. When did it arrive in our lives?
We were not informed that it was arriving in our lives.
And to this day, I can't tell you what it
can review and what it can't because the simplest things

(21:59):
like oh, the play clock went to zero, can't review that,
you know. So it's just it's all so dump and
we're still in.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Judgment calls. And I gotta tell you, I can't wait
till next I think they're gonna they're gonna add this
because they talked about it. There's been so many of
them missed face face masks, Like it's the most obvious.
It's not a judgment call, it's not pass interference, it's
not holding. It's either you grab a face mask or
you don't. And there's been so many missed face masks
that they're gonna they're gonna add it next year, they

(22:29):
said to the replay assists, because I don't understand that,
Like that just makes no sense to me that you can't.
You mean the Donald remember Donald in the end zone
arth the rams, My whole face mask completely flipped around,
and they couldn't even like, how do you not just say,
all right, it's a face move screwed up so again
this week till they are adding those things and it's
not worth it this.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Week, right, Like, I mean, that was part of my thing.
Everybody's saying, you know, Detroit crushed the Vike, and they
did in the end on the scoreboard, but for three
quarters I could have argued, I don't know the This
is kind of a confluence of events that have all
gone Detroit's way. One of those is the referee category,
which is they missed that face mask on Darnald deep
in their own territory, and then right after that the

(23:11):
next quarter, the intentional grounding in the end zone. Right
there was whether there was that the face mask you
bring you bring up as one of them. Then Darnald
threw eight, you know, eight overthrows in the first half.
So I mean, good on Detroit for stopping them, but
is that going to be sustainable if they if they
have the same thing happened again, I don't know. And

(23:32):
just I just think there was a lot of stuff,
the fact that you come away with only what six
points and four red zone appearances. There was more that
I listed the other day, but there's a bunch of that.
So I don't think it's like all doom and gloom
for Vikings. Fans switch the subject. But you brought it
up with the face mass so made me think.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Of does cleve ta Cleive do you agree with me
that we're getting a more wwefication. And I'll just give
one other example the Texas Georgia game where they called
pass inefference and then pick announce the penalty, then picked
up the flag. I've never seen them announce a penalty
and go whoops, do over our fault? My fault? Why

(24:07):
because the people were throwing things. I mean, we're getting
to a WWE ification in this sports, this college and
the pro football that that to me is getting very worrisome.
Do you agree with this?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
I mean, I think there's always been a horrible you know,
referee mistakes. I mean, think about the Saints' Rams, the
past interference that they didn't call that led to the
Rams going to the Super Bowl. Like there are there
are things that you know, I probably don't even think about,
but I understand what you're saying. I think there is
more pressure on referees because of things like social media

(24:42):
and Twitter, and you know, they get death threats now
and obviously with the gambling and player props like this,
just constant flow of that. So it may seem like
there is something to that, just because of all these
pressures and all these different forces outside, and maybe you
just notice it because you have a bet on a game,
or because you better player prop or in game or
whatever that may you might not have had a few

(25:03):
years ago. I don't know. I'm not sure I can
I can get to that point because maybe I just
don't want to tell myself that we're ever at that
point where there's anything shady going on. But you know,
it's just it feels like it's been like this forever. Uh,
And maybe it's just pointed out more because of social
media and you see anytime there's any major mistake, you
see a clip on it right away posted. Maybe in

(25:24):
the past you might not have so that that could
be skewing things some jacket.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I'm gonna translate that todd.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Many times.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
I get it. It's just that I feel like it's
been like there's been some horrible calls in the past
too that I said, maybe we just didn't see a
light of day because there was no Twitter or wasn't
you know, it wasn't blasted on social media as much.
But you know, you might be really I don't know. I,
like I said, I'm just maybe I'm just blind to
it because I don't want it to be like that.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
How many times has Todd brought up that one play
where they where they picked up the flag in that Alabama?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
He likes that one. You love Texas, Texas, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think Georgia.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Never happened. It has never happened in the history of sports.
That a penalty. Not not we picked up the flag.
That's happened a million times, announced the flag, announce the penalty.
It's a penalty. The guy gets him, he goes oh first,
down the whole thing, and then haven't have a talk
about it and decide to pick up I've never seen it.

(26:25):
It's never happened. I've watched every single game. It has
never happened.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
He's got the left hand.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think, to summarize Todd's point in a different way,
we all watch a lot of games. I don't know
if anyone watches more games than Todd. If you watch
a lot of games, man, you'll see some strange ship
refs calls. You know, game theory and you name it.
You see a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm with you, Todd. Texas State and North Texas the
most inexplicable thing we've seen all year, the single.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Most they didn't review three different plays that happened back
to back. What the replay like machine not work? What
the hell is going on? And nobody cared. Nobody cared
because it was like, Okay, it's just some stupid bowl
that nobody's Well I cared about it too, But I'm
just saying anyways.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
All right, are we at the records or do you
have an in game you wanted.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
To say we did? We did the records. I mean,
I have nothing to say about my in game other
than maybe it's a bad idea to bet these teams
that are winning by a lot to not score anymore
when I lost to Tanner McKee and uh Trubisky last week.
So I didn't make that mistake again this week because
that's another thing that I guess been changing. Gilly kept

(27:34):
them telling me it's changing. Teams are running up the
score and stuff. So we're getting a running up the
scorification that never used to happen as well. But you know,
I don't really have any any great in game insights.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Can two thousand and seven Patriots. Does nobody remember the
two thousand.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And seven Patriots, Yeah, we do, But it happened early
in the fourth quarter but anyways.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
He did a whole deep dive on it all the way.
One last thing before we get to the bets. And
by the way, it's only two bets per weekend. Yeah,
two bets for Super Wildcar Weekend per person plus your teaser.
This has nothing to do with betting, but I need
to know because my head was exploding and Ta, maybe
you can help me out on this. The Browns get

(28:15):
by the way, that's another thing of the Bravens. Covering
that twenty point spread was just amazing. And if you
were on the Brown side, you were probably pissed about it.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
But because you and that was a great example of
exactly what I was just talking about in the old days,
that would never happen.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Never happened. But the Brave, But the Braves, the Browns.
The Drive they scored the touchdown on. You will remember
there was a play earlier in the Drive where it
appeared that Thrash Jamari Thrash of the Browns scored a
touchdown earlier in that drive. Didn't it a mattering even
the touchdown, did? Remember? He seemingly caught the ball before

(28:51):
he got into the end zone. He crossed the plane
and then he got the ball knocked out of his hands. Okay,
I lost my mind because I have watched five bajillion
NFL foot and I get their explanainis their explainations, Oh,
you have to carry it through, you have to carry
it through the catch, you have to survive the ground,
whatever it is. When has that ever been the case

(29:14):
through the plane of the goal one? When I have
literally had conversations with Mike carry, former NFL referee in
person talking about this thing, and even he and he's like, yeah,
I know, it doesn't make sense because, as Tod pointed out,
if you're six yards in the end zone, you catch
the ball and someone bats it out of your hand
before you establish or or make it whatever it is,
that's not a catch.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
We all get that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
But there's this magic powder of the plane that they
always you know, in a very inconsistent way, or like, well, no,
but you cross the plane, doesn't matter what happens afterwards,
and suddenly this wasn't a touchdown? Am I wrong about this? Ta?

Speaker 5 (29:49):
No? I agree, And yeah, the whole end zone situation
is so weird. It's so different than the rest of
the field because, yeah, like you said, once you cross
the plane, doesn't matter what happens the moment you cross
the plane. As long as you get over it, there
should be a touchdown. And so he did have possession
and he went forward and then you know, he lost
possession after he went he crossed the line. So yeah,

(30:12):
I wasn't sure I understood that one either, But I'm
with you. I mean, was what was the des Bryant
situation against the Packers in the playoff game? Wasn't that
something similar where like you, I don't think in the
end zone was trying to remember went to the ground.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, yeah, there was the famous one. I don't read
Redskins Tampa Bay. There was a famous one. I think
Phil Simms's kid to somebody in the back of the
end zone. He didn't he caught it in the end
zone and then he didn't survive the ground. That was
a but, But that's really what you're talking about. You're
saying that if you catch the ball in the end zone,

(30:48):
you don't survive the ground. Okay, no problem, go back.
You didn't do it. Now you're saying a whole different thing,
which is catch catch the ball, or supposedly catch the
ball the one or two yard line and not complete
because like, for instance, what would you say if the
guy caught it at the three, did the exact same
thing fell down at the one, he didn't break the
plane right and didn't survive the ground, you would say incomplete,

(31:09):
right and compel right.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
But the I'll give you, I'll give you the like
a precedent for it, because you're right about the Tampa
Bay Washington last. Yeah, great point, God, let me finish.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
The fuck you didn't let me finish. You didn't let me.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Jesus, you're right about the Tampa Bay Washington game, which
was the Sean Taylor spit game right with the and
I think it was a manual burta manual burda manual
was who was the receiver. But we had the Calvin
Johnson precedent before that. We were like, oh no, that's
not the l In the super Bowl, the New Orleans
Indianapolis super Bowl, Drew Brees through a two point conversion

(31:50):
of Lance Moore. Lance Moore caught the ball outside of
the end zone, turned across the plane, and then as
he crossed back out of it, got the ball knocked
out of his hand. They said, two point conversion counts.
How was this different.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying, just saying,
those are the pregents that play happens so unlike I
don't think that's the only time you can come up
with him, because you really don't see it that often.
Because remember, it has to happen exactly this way, where
the guy catches it barely outside of the end zone
then didn't survive the ground out in the out of

(32:28):
bounds outside the endzone. It's such a weird play that
rarely happens that we don't even remember any other than
that one you just brought up, which is a great
bring up, but you know.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Was the ball can hit the ground as long as
you have control over it, which was not rolled that
way at the time. And then actually put the two
thousand rams in the Super Bowl, and what was like, ah,
what was the final score? That can be thirteen to
eight or like some weird baseball score. I can look
it up, but that was like, hey, you can the
ball can touch the ground. It used to be if
the ball touches the grounds at all on a pass
incomplete automatic. Now the rules if you have control over

(33:02):
it can touch the ground.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I believe I have that right, Yeah, it's I don't know.
One of these playoff games, something's going to happen. We're
all going to be like, really, that's that now, you know? Anyway,
I just find it amazing. We can watch five billion
games and we still have no idea what's a catch?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Well, in the Megapod three years ago, there was never
a case where somebody picked a game, or a guy
almost died from a heart attack and didn't get a
win or loss, so he had one last pick. So
we went to the Megapod rules. It was very simple.
It's clearly states that percentage wins, and we had an
answer because we are saying humans, whereas the rest of

(33:40):
the world has completely lost its mind, including the National
Football League.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
You guys, want to guess what the score was NFC
Championship Game two thousand.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Thirteen to eight? You were correct, thirteen to nine.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
You want to be here all day. I don't think
anyone's going to get it.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Like five five? It was eleven to five? Thing?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Nope, was it?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
What was? But I would never have gotten that eleven
to six. I knew the game I.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Was talking about. It wasn't the game I was talking about.
I was talking about a game with Phil Simms's Yeah,
Phil's sick of Tampa and he threw a touch down
the back of the end zone. Again, that's that's the
one you're talking about, Gilly, and that's one. It had
all the controversy, and that kind of led to a
whole new thing along with the whole Dez Bryant thing.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
So I remember though, because of the Calvin Johnson thing.
I remember saying at the time, I was like, that's
not a catch because I was a Skins fan watching,
you know, hoping desperately it wasn't. But I was like,
that's not a catch because of Calvin Johnson. That's the
last playoff game the Washington Redskins franchise. It's the last
playoff game the Skins have won. Gibbs two point zero.

(34:50):
I believe it was Brunel was a.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Brunel and they played decently.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I remember they almost covered against Seattle the next week.
I was in high school and I think like Santana
Moss dropped a touchdown late that would have covered for
him and Seattle ended up winning. That was the Seattle
team that went to the Super Bowl. But they played
Seattle pretty tough. Yeah, the next week, for man twenty years. Jeez, dude,
are almost amazing amazing?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah? What what? What a time to be a Skins fan.
You thought we had a death sentence with the worst
owner alive, and now Jayden Daniels has turned everything around.
All right? Two best bets cider total Ta, we start
with your first.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Yeah, so I don't I took this. It was a
little bit higher, but I like the Washington Tampa speaking
of Washington, Washington Tampa under I think that's at fifty, right.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
What do you guys have? I have forty nine and
a half and fifty and a half? What do you
guys have?

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Fifties?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Good?

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Fifty bitty Okay.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
We'll call it fifty. It's a key number, so fifty
is fine. Yeah. I just you know, I know that
both of these teams are you know, high octane offenses
in the regular season. I just think this is a
really this is a really high total historically when you
look at the playoff round, you know, the wildcard round.
I mean we go back again. It's a little caveat
because this is obviously a warmer climate, but just there's

(36:13):
been fifteen outdoor wildcard games in two thousand, where the
total has been at least forty seven and a half
and thirteen have gone under. It just shows you, like,
you can't really use regular season data for these playoff games.
And you obviously got a rookie quarterback in Jamee Daniels.
As great as he is, there's a lot that has
to go right here. You know he's going to have

(36:33):
some jitters. Just is what it is. Yeah, Todd Bowles,
their run defense has been Tampa's run defense is number
one in the NFL over the back half of this year.
We know Washington as good of an offense it is.
They really just rely on the run game, especially on
early downs, to get them in these third and fourth
and shorts to convert. But they're not a really explosive offense.

(36:54):
They're one of the lower lowest explosive pass offenses, especially
in the back half of the year where teams are
starting to figure out Daniels a little bit on that end.
I mean, he just creates so many plays with his legs,
but he's not pushing the ball down the field as
much as he was early in the season, So you
got a little bit less than the explosive pass route.

(37:14):
A lot more running from Washington. You know, Tampa has
got some issues in the secondary, which is a little
a little scary for me. Antoine Winfield should be back
this week, Jamal Dean, I'm not so sure at corner.
But again, outside of Terry McLaurin, there's really nobody else
that scares you outside for Washington, So it's not like
you need, you know, four or five great corners here

(37:36):
to slow this team down. And then the other side
of the ball, as great as Baker's been, you know
that they have had some luck. They are, you know,
one of the top teams in the NFL when it
comes to red zone. They don't make mistakes, you know,
very very limited number of turnovers, especially in the red zone.
I think the lowest rate of kind of unsuccessful red
zone plays when it comes to miss field goals, turnovers

(37:59):
and miss four down So you know, some of that,
like you know, will tend to regress, especially when you
get to the playoffs. I just I have this number
at forty nine, So it's just a small small amount
of value and you don't get much value in it
in playoff game, especially with a limited sample. So to me,
this is just more of a you know, just kind
of a play on a number that I think is
just too high for a playoff game in the fifties.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Under Skins and Bucks primetime on Sunday as it should be, Dotty,
what are you going.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Now?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm a little nervous to be honest after leave Da
took the under, but I'm going over over clean. I
hate to do it, especially because I respect your opinion,
but I like, sorry, Well, sometimes even great people can
be wrong. Sometimes. Look at you, Willie, a great guy,
just listens like yourself, and you've been wrong on some things.

(38:53):
I don't want to talk about summer leagues, but whatever,
here's what I'm going to say. What you're saying, Cleeve,
And you're right, it is playoffs. It's a different ball.
But this Tampa Bay defense is so horrendous. It's horrendous.
They were Okay, there's a guy named Spencer Rattler. You
may not have heard of him, but he is not

(39:15):
an NFL quarterback. He's moving the ball up and down
the field in the game. Tampa Bay absolutely has to
have like blood and he's moving the ball up and
downing on them. He's not an NFL quarterback. Okay, Now,
the guy who's playing quarterback in Washington is an NFL quarterback.
In fact, I would argue he's the biggest sensation there

(39:36):
is right now. The guy. First of all, if he's
not throwing as well as he did earlier in the year,
we'll all grant you that since the injury has been saying.
But if it's third and seven, he just runs out
of there and scrambles for a first down. You can't
stop this. It's it's maddening betting against him. I'll tell
you that. So I just don't see how Tampa Bay
is going to stop him. And then on the other
side of the ball, I'm not impressed with Washington's defense.

(39:58):
First of all, were they trying last week against Trey Lance,
who's throwing third and seven outs? Oh a third and seven, yeah,
no pressure, a first down, first down, Oh oh, here
comes Dowdell for seventeen yards. Here comes some other guys,
schooner Maker. They're making up names on the sidelines and
they're bringing them in and they're just running for yardage
against this red skinste I don't like anything about this

(40:21):
Washington defense. Now, Gilly will tell you, He'll try to
sell you something about their defense oh, it's this one
and it's eighth. When you when the moon is out
and the rain is this way and the sun is
this way, it's the eighth best. Or you know, he
comes up with stories and tell you about this team.
They're not good on defense. Cut it out, Okay, they're
just not and Tampa Bay is good on offense. So

(40:43):
I am very scared to make this pick because leave Ta.
I respect his opinion, but I have to do it.
I'm sorry over fifty in Tampa Bay.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Wow, oppo oppo to start?

Speaker 5 (40:57):
No, I get it, I will say so. You tell me,
Uh Gil is Tyler Baddish? Is he playing this week?
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I do not know.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I do not know because he's missed. He missed last
week and he missed the game against New Orleans not coincidence.
They allowed thirteen sacks for Jada, to Jade and Daniels
in those two games without him. If he doesn't play,
that that's that's problems versus Vinovea and that that defensive front.
So that that's you know, that's my issue is just

(41:27):
this Washington offense, as great as it is, just it's
not the same in the second half of the year
and it's a running offense, and you can't run on
Tampa at all, so you're gonna force Daniels to throw it.
He's not a guy who's gonna drop back fifty times
and air it all out like this is not really
his game. He's more of a you know, he does
it with his legs and short passes. So anyway, I understand.
It's just trust me. I'm I'm a little bit nervous

(41:48):
about this one, but we got we got to pick something,
so I agree with they haven't been as good lately.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
However, I just can't This Tampa defense is a joke
to me.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Skins are optimistic that Marshawn Lattimore as a go though.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Yeah that's the other that's Mike Evans's biggest rival.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Right yep, mm hmm. Could be huge.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
By the way, I heard the ref that that stops
the clock. Also at the end of the game, he's
going to be working this thing too, so that could
helpfully over too, just in case we need some points
at the end.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Driving a very nice car by the way, I don't
know if that's related, but he has a very nice car.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Hm hm m.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
We got Willie.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
I haven't picked this team much this year, but I'm
picking them now. I am going to take the Washington
commanders plus the three.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
I just don't believe that Tampa is much better than them.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I don't know that they're better than them at all.
I know Aaron shots at his DV away where he's
got Washington ahead of Tampa. I do buy into some
of Gillies. You could call it propaganda. That's maybe not
the worst word. I don't think their defense is that bad.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I think Daniel all I said was they're middling. They're
not as horrific Hod makes them out.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And I don't think that's what you said. I think
what you said, well, on November twenty seventh, when it's
a Wednesday and it's the sun comes up before seven
o'clock in the morning, they're seventh against the run on
those type of days, so that clearly makes a difference.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
According to Dvoa, I just like the points here. I
think these teams are relatively even. I think Daniels is
a star. I don't think the Washington defense is at
bad and look at New Orleans, look at Tampa recently.
Life and Death with New Orleans could have easily lost
that game Okay, Washington was two a few weeks ago,
but they lost to Dallas and Cooper rush on that Sunday, congrats,
you won the NFC South. You beat the Saints and

(43:37):
the Panthers and the Falcons, who the Falcons swept them,
by the way. So I'm just not a believer in Tampa.
I don't know that they have a great home field advantage.
I will take the three here. Obviously, love the three
and a half. I could easily see this being a
field goal game the way. But give me Washington plus three.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Let's go. I'm on the Rams. I bet them plus
three early in the week.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
He loves they now. The only thing he loves more
than Washington is the Rams. He loves the Rams. You
love the Rams a bit minute.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I have a feeling I can't get it out of
my head that somehow the Rams might get to the
super Bowl and not shake this feeling.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Rams plus one is is that what we're doing? Rams
plus one?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah? I mean I yeah, Rams, I just yeah, plus
the inbody but plus one. I like the Rams. I
do think that that game. While Donald should not be
judged as a whole for you know, body of work
for the season, but that gave me a little bit
of a spooky feeling about Sam Donald. And I think

(44:42):
the Lions provided a blueprint right where they're like, oh,
you take you get more than three seconds to throw
the football, more than anybody else in the NFL on average,
Why don't we blitz and we'll gamble that our guys
will get to you before our Manda Man coverage breaks down.
And I think the Rams have the secondary components to

(45:03):
do that, and I think they have the defense to
do that, and I think they're gonna follow that. And
I think they beat the Vikings, which I gotta say,
Man fourteen and three, Like, if you asked the question
who's got the most pressure on this week, maybe it's
Lamar Jackson in the Ravens, but I think it's the
Vikings fourteen and three in a flame out would be bad.
And I think that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Already beat him once, So it's not so crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
No, it's not crazy at all.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Do you know what's crazy about that that first game.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
They blitz.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
I mean, obviously Flora's blitz is a ton. I think
they blitzed Stafford like thirty five, like normal. Not a
single pressure on those Blitzer, not one. You can believe that.
I couldn't believe that when I saw that that you
blitz all that. I mean, that's that's just a testament
to McVeigh and just that they get the ball of
his hands quick. They run the you know those quick
screens to Nikua and I think you can see a

(45:54):
lot of the same thing. I don't know if it's
gonna work, but yeah, it's crazy that he got blitzed
what twelve times in zero pressures on those woods, So
that's gonna happen again. Then, yeah, the Vikings defense has.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
No shot Sea. Let me take a half time in
our bets. Let me ask you if you had to
vote for these awards now, I want to go through
who you would vote for. I know you have bets.
You got Kevin O'Connell twenty eight to one. You got
other bets. But if you had a vote right now,
let's go through Coach of the Year, you would give two.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
I'd give it to O'Connell, just exceeding expectations.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I agree, Okay, Comeback Player of the Year.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
We talked about it. It's to me it's slam dunk Burrow, Burrow.
I don't think yeah, I gotta tell you so real quick,
can I Can I just mention one thing because I
heard these You had Jonathan on and he was making
the case about kind of the other circumstances with Darnold
with the award.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Oh JVT Jonathan on Tobo, Yeah, JVT.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah. And I was gonna rip my hair out because
he asked me the same thing on Twitter. I said, well,
you know, to me, like they leave that open for interpretation,
but like I just think, like like a baseline for
that is okay, Let's say God forbid something like a
Shavarius Ward with his daughter right passing away unexpectedly, you
miss maybe half a season something like that, or your

(47:08):
wife or your daughter has you know, an illness and
you have to take time away and you miss a
season something like that. To me, that's what that means.
And when you come back from from something, that means
you had to have already established something. You had to
have already been good to come back to it, right,
so you're already good, you get hurt or you're bad,
and then you come back to being good again. If

(47:29):
Carson Wentz signs with the team next year and has
a Darnold season, he should win Comeback Player of the
Year because he didn't come back from sucking. He was
already good, had some down years and came back never good.
What is he coming back from just being just being
on the bench. That's what I don't understand. By definition,
comeback means you're coming back to something that was already good.

(47:51):
So anyway, it drives me insane.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But I think Burrow.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
I'm actually kicking myself for not betting Burrow last week
I plus money because I just you know, I wanted
the Vikings to win. I want him to do well
because of Koc. But that was I thought that was
a great opportunity that passing up.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
They changed the guidelines. They changed the guidelines for Comeback
Player of the Year clearly because they were a little
embarrassed that Hamlin didn't win it. So other circumstances clearly
is not intended for the player that does not have
it's not special other circumstances. They should have a most
improved player.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
It would solve everything, just just wells and then that's it.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Aaron was on the show this morning and he says
that's what's coming, that there's going to be a most
improved player award maybe next year in large Yeah, well,
but at least it was.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Pretty straightforward. I mean, you're voting on one of these
retread quarter packs that were bad historically and had had
a big year. It's pretty obvious, you know, it's a
clear delineation from you know, coming back from an injury.
By the way, Borrow, Everyone's like that was like not
a a major injury. Do you remember in the off
season they're saying, no one's ever had a quarterback has
never deal with that wrist injury before he couldn't grow

(49:08):
up a football. There was a lot of question mark.
So I disagree with with that notion too.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
All right, let's hear it, MVP.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Wait before you go to MVP, before he goes to MVP,
don't you have to say that the Joe Burrow comeback
was the greatest comeback in the history of the National
Football League, eclipsing Nat Moore in nineteen eighty seven from
the DVOA statistics. You have to say it without laughing.

(49:36):
You have to say it like you were at the Davos,
you know conference or something.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Josh all Josh Allen, I just to me, he's the
most feared, like he's just taking you know, as great
as Lamar has been in his stats are awesome. And
you got Derrick Henry, you know, you got Say Flowers.
Who does I mean?

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Who?

Speaker 4 (49:57):
I mean?

Speaker 5 (49:57):
The Bills have nothing. I mean, think about what we
were talking about before the season. Everybody was projecting Buffalo
to have a down year, not make the playoffs. It's
a rebuild, and he's taken a bunch of you know,
let's be Frank, Nobody's at receiver, and he's turned them
into one of the elite offenses. I just think this
is his year. I mean, Lamar is great, but and

(50:18):
I do think there's some voter fatigue to vote a
guy a third time when there's another great candidate there
with a better record. So I think it's Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I agree that if you take it, or if you
remove this player from the team, I agree it would
be it should be Josh Allen because I don't know
if the Bills win three games. But I do think
that fatigue is not a good enough reason, and I
think that it would take a well, it would take
just my prediction on the award, more than I think

(50:47):
Alan Alan should win.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
But I think when you're predicting you.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I do think if you have a player with and
I don't. By the way, I have no idea who's
gonna win. I think it's a coin flip. If I'm
if I'm guessing what the which way the voters go.
I think it's a complete coin flip. I just object
to the the Allen fringe that says, oh, it's over.
It's absolutely alan. It's like, wait a minute, this guy
had the fourth highest passer rating of all time, forty

(51:13):
one and four. No one's ever done more than forty
and fewer than five picks. He leads in QBR in
you know all these other stats, quarter touchdown percentage, air yards,
net air yards, on and on and on and on.
It's like four thousand passing, nine hundred rushing never been
done before. Like at some point, it's so overwhelming where

(51:34):
you're like, uh, okay, maybe I shouldn't be that fifteen. Well.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
The only thing is, you know EPA, which some people
care about, some people don't. But it's it's kind of
an all in one metric, advanced metric that I mean,
he leads. Josh Allen is number one in that metric.
So in terms of like value points, added, because what
he does more than anybody is on third and fourth thounds,
you can't stop him, like it's it's a guaranteed first down,
and he's just been impossible to stop. And as great

(52:01):
I said, as great as Lamar is, like you know,
when you're piling up five touchdowns against the against the Giants,
no names on defense and piling up you know, Q,
you know, helping your QV rating in that regard, And
I don't want it. It feels like I'm you know,
denigrating Lamar. Is that a great year?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Like I'm not.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
It's absolutely not in that case. But I think from
a value perspective, and just the fact that, like I said,
e p A like accounts for all of that, and
his plays have been you know, high leverage, most valuable
from a points added perspective, so it kind of it
kind of does take that into the consideration. So I
worked he would have played that last game, sitting that
sitting that last game, I think he would have won

(52:38):
the award if he played and just had a normal
Josh Allen game. I thought, I think he'd be a
wider a wider favorite.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I mean, for every argument, there's a counter, right, Ravens
crushed the Bills. Ravens had the hardest schedule of all
the playoff games, you know, and we're going for I
think it's very close, is what I'm saying. Sometimes I
don't know. I have no idea who's going to win.
The only thing I know is that you shouldn't be
minus if you had the jet right now minus. The

(53:05):
only thing I know is that minus four ninety should
not be the on Josh All. That's all. But I
have no idea who's going to win, no idea who's
gonna should be more.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Jerry McLaurin getting overlooked in this debate.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Yes, he's a buck guy.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I love it about Blarry Bonds. Barry Bonds is the
only guy who hit seventy three homers and have forty
two touchdowns with no interceptions? What about him?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Is Joe Gibbs available for this?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
The Uh?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
You know what the voters had to do. The voters
this year had to go five spots for every one
of these awards, So they literally had to write in
five comeback Player of the Year candidates. That's I mean,
why do we need it?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (53:49):
TA Offensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Oh, that's easy.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
What about defensive Player of the Year and defensive rookie year.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
Defensive player of the Year to be is the hardest.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I think a J w Mat where are you come on?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
The stars of him come on and he comes off
the edgine.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Now you gotta love him.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
I guess I'll pertain and I think he's gonna win
only because I think DJ Watt may not be top
three in all last name with Hendrickson, but certain will
be top two I think in every ballot.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
So I think he wins it.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
I don't honestly, it's the worst defensive player of the
Year list that I can call for good. And then
what was the other one offensive off the rookie is
James Daniels has down defensive rookie. I'll go with Jared
Verse just because kind of the default, and you know,
I think he's he's had from a pass rush win rate,

(54:43):
that's for Todd. I think he's like one of the
top five in the entire league. So for a rookie,
I give him credit, and he's got he doesn't have
Aaron Donald next to him to create you know, one
on ones. He's kind of doing himself. So I'll take Verse.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
There Okay, I think I got told. Okay, oh coach
of the year.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Oh you said O'Connell.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah, all right, your second pick, sir is Gea.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Well, it depends.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
What what is uh?

Speaker 5 (55:13):
What is the Houston l A line right now? It's
kind of in between.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I got it's toggling back between two and a half
and three all week long. It's two and a half
increased juice, three reduced juice. So what do we give
them here?

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Well, I'll take that, Okay, I'll just take the texts.
I can give me three. I'll take the texts pretty
pretty key.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
There's enough threes out it's fair to give them the three.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, I uh, you know, I don't.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Love this Texas team. I just think we're everyone's down
on them obviously, but I mean, look, they they got
blown out by the Ravens, maybe the best team in football.
They lose to the Chiefs, like you know, after they
lose taint Dell. They're actually, you know, right in that game,
they could have won that game on the road. So
you have a couple of you know, kind of recent
poor performances, you know, tough circumstances against really good teams.

(56:05):
I don't I wouldn't hold that totally against them. They're
the one thing that you know, not the one thing,
but they're They're awful running the football, especially on early downs.
Bobby Slowick just refuses to do anything but run the
ball up the middle, with Joe Mixon th dead last
and success rate. Now, the one thing that the Chargers
do the worst is they can't stop the run. They
use light boxes at the highest rate in the NFL,

(56:26):
so they're one of the worst teams in terms of
yards after contacts. So I think Joe Mixon could have
a good game here and it'll set them up for
better kind of third down in situations than like a
third and eight or ten that C. J. Stroud's used to.
And then you know his offensive line can't block a
stunt and you get sacked. So I think he's got
that better opportunities. I just think that the numbers inflated.

(56:46):
I mean, just three weeks ago, Houston goes into KC
and they were three point underdogs. Now they're three point
underdogs at home to the Chargers. It doesn't compute at all.
So from a rating standpoint, this should be much closer
to a pick. So I think a home dog dogs.
I don't want to use historical trends, but they are
money in the bank in the wildcard round, like almost

(57:07):
seventy percent in the last twenty five years. We see
it every year where these kind of short home dogs
that no one wants to touch ends up either covering
or just winning outright. So I just think with the
three Houston makes a lot of sense here.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Houston Texans eight years in the playoffs, eight years in
the early Saturday time slote in the playoffs. By the way,
just let me just throw this in here, artist strength
of schedule of the fourteen playoff teams Green Bay aggregate
opponents win percentage five thirty three. That obviously has a
lot to do with the fact that they play both
the Lions and Vikings twice fifteen and two and fourteen

(57:43):
and three. Easiest strength of schedule when all a said
none Washington for thirty six that schedule. What about strength
of victory? The best strength of victory Baltimore five twenty
five aggregate win percentage of the teams they've beaten. The
worst strength of victory the Los Angeles Chargers three forty eight.
They've beaten No.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Two and five versus playoff teams straight up. Yeah, the
only two wins were against Denver, so they beat up
their bullies. They beat up on the bad teams. But
you know, Houston's got a really good defense too. They
got two awesome edge rushers. Derek Stingley can lock up
mcconkeye like. It's not gonna be a you know, a cakewalk.
It's I mean, nineteen eighteen seems very plausible for kind

(58:24):
of a weird wild card score.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Toddy number two.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I just like the cleave. Ta said that the Chargers
play a light box, and then I was wondering what
Willie would think about that, because he likes to think
about light boxes, you know, so I thought that would
be interesting. And I'm sorry I had to do it.
I'm sorry, I'm incorrigible. I should be thrown off this
podcast ready. Anyways, I sort of had to just for Willy.

(58:53):
Let me ask you, what do eatans guys have for
the Stillers against the Ravens. What's the point spread in
that game?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
What does yiens guys have It is nine and a
half or ten kind of equal? What do you see?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
More toggling? A lot of toggling going on.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I'll go, I'll go first, what would you what would
you make it?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Will?

Speaker 5 (59:10):
Why?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You tell us what you want, then we'll tell you
what you can have.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna but we went with pretty.
It's pretty you want?

Speaker 3 (59:18):
You're taking the points here?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
What do you what do you think?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Still Stiller's plus ten.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
I'm looking at my I'm giving nine and a half
painted right now all across? Am I missing that?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I don't see Maker Maker has Bookmaker has ten, Oakmaker.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Has ten, and online bet online has ten also? Okay,
so what's the.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
What? So?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
What am I getting here? What's the official number?

Speaker 1 (59:44):
If nine and a half is painted in most places?
If not, all you know, we'll go nine and.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
A half and I'll take nine and a half. Whatever, Uh,
give me the Stillers plus the nine and a half
and that well, I just want to make I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
I didn't know what online a book you read that?
Go ahead, I'm good with that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Okay, Cleave's giving me the ten, so I'm taking the ten.
I'm gonna just say that. I guess the Pittsburgh stores
there was a famous coach ins might have heard of,
Donna Air and Cardinal Land Dennis Green. He inst to
say that is Cardinals, or or the tre Bears, or
who we thought they were. You remember that the whole deal. Well, look,

(01:00:24):
the Stillers are who we thought they were. You can't
blame tom Win for his own success. If you walked
into this season and you said the stores are gonna
be ten and three, people would say you're on heroin.
The Stillers aren't gonna be ten and three. Okay, it's
just not gonna happen. But he did some magic like
he always does. He wins with Duck Hodges sometimes he

(01:00:47):
does crazy stuff. He got it to ten and three.
Then the schedule started. That was the preseason. Then we
got into the regular season against rural teams. You play
the Eagles, you play the Baltimore Ray, you play it
doesn't matter if you play down at Acker. Sure, if
it's freezing cold, we can't catch the ball. We got pickings.
He's not doing nothing. The bottom line is now you

(01:01:09):
play real teams and you get beat Okay, I understand
nothing's changed. Can we stop with all the Tomlin's a
genius in the first thirteen weeks and now he's an
idiot in the last four weeks. No. If I would
have told YenS before the season they're gonna be ten
and three after thirteen games. Yin's all would have said,
coach of the year. They don't even have a quarterback

(01:01:32):
Russell Wilson eight hundred years old. Justin Fields. I don't
know what he does besides go back and run. It's ridiculous. Okay,
here's the deal. Steelers plus ten it's too many. Even remember,
every Ravens Steelers game before the last one is a
two or three point game. I think we talked about
that ad nauseum on the megapod about how every single

(01:01:54):
game is a three point game. Going back, ad you know,
if you go even if you ask Aaron Shottz, what
was the score of the Ravens game against the Steelers
in nineteen twenty seven, he goes, oh, that was the
third best of all time played in nineteen twenty seven.
The score was nineteen sixteen. So one time the Steelers
get blown out and by the way, they didn't even
really get blown out. It was twenty four seventeen or

(01:02:15):
it was thirty one twenty, but I forget exactly what
the score was. And then I said Ravens under three
and a half more and then Willie texted back, oh,
that I do only agree with that pick, and of
course there was a pick six. So he laughs at
my stupid bed, Thank you, Willy. The bottom line, he goes,
I don't like that pick. Yeah, well, good, good, Yeah,
I don't like it either. Now, so the point is,

(01:02:36):
though it was a seven point game, even in the blowout,
it was a seven point game with thirteen minutes left
in the game. So now you're going to tell me
that the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have lost the last four
and they should have lost the last four, you're telling
me they can't stay within ten of the Ravens. Come on, now,
you're going too far. Ten is just too much. Look,

(01:03:00):
I'm the first one to go don Acker, sure and
tellians it's a big problem. We gotta have problems all
over the ball. But ten points in a Store Raven game,
You're getting crazy. It's too much. Store's plus ten.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I'm getting. I'm getting this. Just this would be such
a He goes, what I hearing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Do you guys agree with me? Or am I totally
off my rocker here? It's a lot, it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
It's probably too many, but I'm not I'm not cutting
in line to bet that team the way they're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
But I get your premise it is. I mean, look,
they played what three weeks ago and it was six
and a half seven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
So yes, I get it out as I guess seven
and a half based on that line that Will's talking about.
Ten ten seems like a lot, though there is the
looming specter of the Mike Tomlin concession punt, so how
that goes? But somehow to cover?

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Yeah, last week is like, is he sabotaging that offense?

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
What is he doing?

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
I've never seen someone have such a bad game that
he had last week.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Oh, he was horrible Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
It was terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
He re.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Pickens was very upset that he was getting charged over
one hundred dollars to park his card down Eric Akercher,
and that's what he was really upset about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Eric Akrocher.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Willie, I'm with you, Gilly. I like the Rams here.
I just think it's a tough spot for the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
I think it's very similar to the middle of the
regular season where the Vikings play the Lions tough, physical game,
then had to turn around and play the Rams and
it didn't go well. I just think the difference between
being the one and the five is going to be
something that's going to be very hard to overcome psychologically.
I know it's dangerous sit here to play amateur psychologists,
but these teams are pretty even. I know the Rams
don't have a great home field, but Stafford, a veteran quarterback,

(01:04:49):
can kind of detect what Flores is doing from a
blitz standpoint, and that is a big part of beating
this Vikings defense. In that first matchup, he had ninety
completions and four touchdown passes. He carved minnesot up Donald.
If any if ten of that performance carries over to
this week, they're cooked. I just think this is a
bad spot for Minnesota, and teams have not done well

(01:05:09):
the week after facing Detroit, which makes sense. Tough physical
game takes your toll, takes their toll on you, takes
its toll on you. The endless wings with Applebee's those
those can fill you up pretty quickly. Rams are gonna
be moving on here, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
And I am gonna piggyback on Cleave's take on the
Texas Houston Texans plus three a lot based on what
I was talking about strength of victory. The Chargers have
beaten Newbody, Newbody and I do think that as bad
as Houston's form has been, I think they're getting a

(01:05:43):
little bit disrespected here. Home dog first playoff game, you
do a lot worse long term, you know, not betting
on that kind of thing. I think that's the way
to go. Houston plus three is the play for me.
Number two.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
I forgot to mention the Chargers are on this is
a third straight road game, yes as well, you know
that matter, especially for a West Coast team. I mean,
you're you know, it's not not even all the way
they went all the way to New England back obviously
the Vegas is not very far, but now you got
to go to Texas. It's not that and it's a
short week too. You're playing one at one last day

(01:06:21):
on your third straight road game. Not not a good
spot here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
It's also the Chargers appear to be a games scripty team.
I don't necessarily have the evidence to back that up,
but it feels like they're a much I mean, obviously
everybody's different when you're a header behind, but for them
in particular, I think they can afford to play their
style of football. Went ahead, but if they fall down
in a game, they fall behind. I think they sort
of lose character at that point, and so I like

(01:06:45):
the Texans plus the points give me a point teaser,
which I have sucked royally on this year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
But I think it's not really fair to criticize the
playoff teasers. Do you have so few games to pick front?

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Yeah, no, I'm not talking about playffs. Some talk about
just my regular season performance was terrible, but there might
be an obvious one here. At least there was earlier
in the week. Now it's kind of teaser protection. Y
what do you got if you had to do one,
what do you got?

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
You know, I'll take the pack I know this is
not a long teat. I'll take the Packers up to
ten and a half. I think that game's gonna be
a little closer. We have no idea of hurts. I mean,
I think he's gonna play. But first games off concussion
historically aren't great. So I think the Packers, you know,
even though they're not they've struggled and lost to a
bunch of good teams. They don't get blown out for
the most part. So I'll take the Packers there. And

(01:07:38):
then on the other end, yeah, well I can't. I'm
not gonna use the Texans because I already use them,
So I'll just take I think the Vikings win, but
I'll take the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
You know, up to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
And I just I said this Monday on Guessing Line,
so I feel compelled to say it here. They say
Jalen Hurts will be at practice today as he returns
from his concussion per Nick Sirianni. So they expect Jalen
Hurts at practice, which to me was just sort of
being glossed over. Everyone's like, yeah, he's playing. It appears
that he will play. Jason Wygarden made the point, Yeah,

(01:08:11):
even if he does play, he's still coming off with concussion. Sure,
he's going to be all there, And I think that
does need to be said by somebody where it's like
we shouldn't really assume. So anyway, it looks like Jalen
Hurts is to go for that game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I was gonna say, especially if you have the nefarious
belief that had he's not really good to go, but
they're gonna sneak him through because it's a playoff game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Well that's the right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Oh well, if that's the case, I've thought about that too.
What was it Green Bay with who was it ta rams?

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
I had the rams, okay, because it gets it to
set right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I think Cleve just talked me into Green Bay plus
ten and a half too. I kind of don't see
them getting blown out. Uh so I'll go with Green
Bay plus ten and a half two, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Just to be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Different, I'll go with the Comman Deers plus nine. I
don't really see I don't see the Tampa Bay beating anybody.
By the way, this is the same Tampa Bay team
that almost lost to the Cowboys a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
And we were losing the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Cowboys, all right. They lost the Cowboys lost the right,
they lost the Cowboys, and then they were losing sixteen
to six to a guy named Spencer Rattler. This is
not a great team.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Maybe you haven't heard of him before.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Maybe you haven't heard of mister Rattler, but he was
nondescripted Oklahoma as well.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
By the way, the Bucks deserve to lose. Maybe I'm
an island. That whole Mike Evans charade at the end,
the fact that your playoff lives are at stake and
you're some bogus, you know, swing pack. It could have
been tipped the line and picks like you just I
don't care if it's a one percent chance, Like what
are you doing? And it's such a manufactured way to

(01:10:10):
for a milestone that like no one's going to even
remember in a week, Like I don't know. The whole
thing rubbed me the wrong way, you know, I just
that thing bothered me. So again people tell you on
Twitter for having that opinion. So maybe I'm not an island.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
It's the WWE ification that I'm talking about. You're making
my point exactly for me that I belabored for ten
minutes on this podcast that would never go down.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I know there was that time with Strahan and Brett
fav which was also abhorrent, But this is ridiculous, Like
you said, they should be taking a knee and they're
throwing passes to get like bonuses. This is it's getting WWE.
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Can you imagine? Can you imagine if that gets tipped,
they take it to the house, they get the two
point conversion and the Saints win in overtime. That's not
Bucks seating, that's Bucks make or miss playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
That would be great. That would be like all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Time everything for decades to come. It would be covering.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
Yes, people, they're like, loosen up, loosen up, it's a
great milestone, they're so happy for. I'm like, no, that
is separate from the situation you're in. The Only thing
that matters is taking a knee and winning the game
to go to the playoffs. It's not and it's not
like you know, Atlanta was down two touchdowns at the
end and okay, you're they're probably gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Anyway, the game was tied.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
I think the I think that one of the teams
was attempting a field goal to take the lead. It
was just to me, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
I was like, that doesn't take away from Mike Evans
being great. I think he's a Hall of Famer all
those sorts of things. You just didn't need to do
that at that stage of the game. That could have
anything fluky could have happened. So anyway, I just thought
that was that was absurd.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Which, by the way, they have to change these these
incentive clauses. Didn't you get like three million dollars for
that or something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Three million, three million?

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Right? So what now we're going to play the whole
and this is what Cleve was talking about when when
he said, oh, well, you know everyone's gambling and the
props and everything, and that's probably what's going on at
these end of games why people are trying to score touchdowns.
Like it's like it's Laye Kiffin rama over there, right,
because now everybody's friend said, oh, well, you know I
got Derek Henry. He scored two touchdowns, so he now

(01:12:24):
he has to try to get another touchdown. It's it's
it's ruining the game. It still has to be a
game first. And if you're losing the what's the word
I'm looking for, Gil, if you're losing the integrity, integrity,
integrity of the football game because of the are we
playing for? The stats up with exactly? I'm sorry I

(01:12:44):
couldn't come.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Up with that, But the point is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I couldn't agree with By the way I couldn't agree
with Cleve Moore. It's that is an embarrassment and a stain.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Did you did you get what he was really saying?
That that was the word you couldn't come up with,
like of all the words in the English language that
you were.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
He can throw he wants to throw stones.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Let me again, you see there's this word integrity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yes, exactly. You can go back and check all the picks.
You can go back and see the whole thing. You
guys can just cast this persions. Go ahead. It's it's okay.
Look when you're on the top of the hill, this
is what happens to you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Rams up, bills down. I think the bill's role is
is it eight and a half or nine?

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Am?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I am?

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
I going to push on a three? Either way, I'm
still going with bills. I think they win this game
pretty comfortably.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Rams commandos.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Wait, so wait will he's going with Rams?

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
And who bills.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Bills from nine down to three?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Fine?

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Says he's going to be texting all you can't do
it's not a long Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
It's come on, it's ridiculous. It's the playoffs. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
What do you have, Gilly Rams, Commodores?

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Do's you're with me?

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Will you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Okay? Rams plus seven and commodes plus nine?

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Got it all right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Final two questions each and every megapod from the inception
over a decade ago. You believe this podcast is fourteen
years old? Good god? Now everybody has a podcast. Here
we go, which of the big favorites is the most
likely to lose outright, Do we even have enough candidates here?

(01:14:27):
Your candidates are? Is that we do? Your candidates are
the Baltimore Ravines and nine and a half or ten
point favorites hosting the Steelers, the Bills nine and a
half point favorites at home against the Broncos. Just those two.
If I came to you from the future, TA and
I said one of those two lost, the Ravens are
the Bills. The answer is, I'll say.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
Ravens only because Tomlin Voodoo has got magical powers that
nobody else does, so that's the only the only way
it happens. But I'll take that one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
God, I couldn't agree more. I think the Insers, who
would really be shocked if the Insers did what they
always do against Lamar Jackson and pulls it out of
their ass. It's certainly more It's certainly more likely than
bone Knicks, you know. Give me a break with the
bone Knicks stuff. I'm tired of hearing about. He's not

(01:15:21):
that good, folks. He's good, but he's not. I love
how people like jumping for Joe bone Nicks. He's so
great he's okay, okay, let's not get crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Yeah, I'll say Ravens too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
And if Lamar does pull one of these stinkers again
and loses like a nineteen thirteen game, geez, he's gonna
have a long offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
But I think Baltimore gets by this game. But Baltimore
would be the one, just because these games can be
a little squirrely.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
I'll only say the Bills because I think the Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Would.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
The Bills are susceptible to the one, the one. There's
one player they can't lose. Axiom of this, which is,
if something happens to Josh Allen, god forbid, they're the
Buffalo Bills Without Josh Allen, then they're not even a
playoff team. So I'll just say the Bills only based
on that, which I know is a weird way to
do it, but I'll say that. And then there's six games,
obviously super Wildcar Weekend. If you had to bet a

(01:16:14):
side ta on five of them, but you got one
free pass, what's the game you want no part.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
Of, I'll say I'll say the Bills, Broncos, Doddie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
M Chargers, Texans, just because I kind of agree with
all of you guys about the Texans, but you know,
I don't know. I just don't like that game.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Wilsons Eagles, Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I know the Packers upside, but man, it's been ugly
the past couple of weeks. I have no feel for
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I'm Eagles Packers too, man, I just don't know. The
Packers to me, are of all the fourteen playoff teams
the widest variants of outcomes for me, Like, I will
not be surprised if they're awesome. I will not be
surprised if they get beat by thirty will they could
be either. I will say that for that reason. TA Anyway, there's.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Been sorry, there's been one underdog that has won outright
and fifteen of the past seventeen wildcard rounds, so there's
probably someone maybe we're not thinking about, but maybe it's
just the Commanders. But there's always at least one big
underdog upset. So I can't wait to see who it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I can't wait. T A, are you doing your football
preview again next year?

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
I am put a lot. I mean, it's it's been
helping on the for the future side of things, so
it didn't help me in season, but it helped me
prior to the season get to some good futures. So yeah,
I'm kind of I'm kind of obligated now to keep
doing it as long as I can so, and I'll
have it slay Off a modified playoff preview by tonight

(01:17:53):
or tomorrow morning too, not the extent of the preseason,
but just kind of a one pager on each team
with some some nuggets and some season one stats for
I'll send out over Twitter as well, So look for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
That all right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
That's c L e v t A on Twitter at
Cleveanalytics dot com. That's up and running as well, right
with all your stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Yeah, yeah, just kind of breakdown of every game and
you know, the DFS information in there, a bunch of
tools and stuff. So yeah, check it out if interested.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
You're so appreciate it. Will Hill not not the Will
Hill on Twitter, should a bit more podcast. Who's your
latest guest to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Will Brad Powers today? Aaron Shotts coming up on Friday?
It was actually I didn't know you had him on
a Numbers game. I was supposed to have them on
last week. You didn't have power, So I apologize for, uh,
I don't know, stepping on your guests.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
But oh check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
That's a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
By the way, let me just tell you, I hope
you have more luck getting out because you know he's
a voter. I the ground rules were kind of like,
he's not going to tell me who we voted for.
We're just going to talk around it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
He'd be a good mobster man. You're not getting anything
out of him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, it was interesting, nonetheless, and then Todd Wishnev at
t wish Nev on Twitter start of the Showtime docu
series Action, Who is still accepting college basketball people?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yes, yeah, but I just don't get around to putting
them in. But one day I'll get motivated and I'll
put everybody in. But you know, is Drew dinta going
to be able to do his megapod because it seems
like Los Angeles is burning down.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Drew is doing the Australian Open pre draw with me
in a half hour, but he is very busy with
other stuff and other stuff. I don't know. It might
include that we had Jason on Jason lives in Glendale.
He was like, touch and go for a little bit.
He's fine though, Yeah, oh he'll be fine, And yeah,

(01:19:43):
yeah he's fine. Long man, that is some terrible That
is some scary stuff. All right, check me out numbers
Game Tend a new Eastern Monday through Friday on Vson.
Good luck with all your super wildcar weekend bets. Thanks
for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
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