Becoming Poli(Sci)-Amorous: with Ettingermentum

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, how Beauty transa.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hi, Hey, welcome back to another episode.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Of Beauty Tramp.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I just I just got back from the vocal seminization surgery.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Your voice cut out there for a second. That was crazy.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
They did a.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Quick snip and was sent me on my way and
she's all the better for it.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, I feel great.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Can you like belt us a tune really quick?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm on too many purpose that the surgery is very,
very very painful. I don't tell you that.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Well, it sounds like it was.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
They don't tell you what it was a success.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
That sounds like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
The thing is, I don't have insurance, so they could
they could take it back at any moment.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
They could come reap you, repell your vocal cords.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, well what if they just burst.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Open up, open up this. We're gonna we're gonna know
what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
They talked about place they took your vocal surgery. What
have they done to our girl.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Worse?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, they said we're gonna actually make it worse this time.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
No, I think I think this was kind of just
how I sounded before. I think so too.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, Jamie, I'm really excited about today's episode we're going
to be discussing electoral politics in the United States, particularly
the Southern United States.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Let me clear my let me clear my throat. Okay, sorry,
I had a hair ball. Handball.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, the show, the actual show that we're here for.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
So yeah, I mean, today we're we have on the
pod a friend of Janey's. We're discussing the American electoral politics.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Wait, you gotta say the thing, Harmon, You got to
say friend of the show, a friend of the show,
not just not just a friend of me, a friend
of the show.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's true. He is a friend of the show.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And he is quite cute too, you know, I will say, Okay, John,
all right, we thought you were you were cute, So
all right, let's.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Go, let's go, let's go play. Yeah. I like that.
I like that we should comment on our guests our
looks more often.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think we should. We really should. No, I think
we should call them ugly when they're okay, yeah, we should.
We should start doing that dirty horror. Today we have
an ugly guest on the pod.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Today, we have an ugly horror on the show to
talk about what it's like to be an ugly.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Horror and the difficulties that come along with that. But no,
Josh is not just cute, he's also very very smart.
You know him by editger Mintim iner Mintum on.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
All of the things, that's inermentum. I know, it's very
hard for as inermental.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's in mintm.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
That's inermental.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
They need to put that in the Kim Gordon bye
by side. And I can't tell if it's at ensurementum.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
That just sounds like phonetically you guys, let me say
something about mentum. Uh, he's a guy, he's a he's
a man. Yeah, he's a man. We got a man
on the show today, a.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
SIS man on the pod today. Yeah, we got it.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah. So for our listeners that are the kind to
like spray paint bathrooms with like SIS people, go home,
hold your hold your gay little horses for one second.
Ed Insermentum is a man who's done a lot of
very good writing about uh trans politics and is someone

(04:04):
that I wanted to have on the show to give
us a very kind of more grounded, sober, sober eyed
I like that.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, very very facts over feelings.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Look at we're facts of feelings here at Beauty Translator.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Truly like messy, horrendous world of trans politics. And there's
a lot of stuff that we've kind of avoided talking
about on this show, just not not because we're scaredy
cats of of political themes, but because we do want
to make the show. Yeah, we want We don't want
to be doomers. We want to have a fun show.

(04:41):
I want to be fun for everyone. So this will
be the show that is. And it's not it's not
just fun because it is fun, but it's also really
really smart. And I've liked this kind of ebb and
flow we've had of having, like you know, like shows, Yeah,

(05:04):
like a two IQ episode and then a five thousand
IQ episode, So so put your Yeah, this one broke
the IQ thermometer. It's it's hot, it's spicy, and I'm
very proud of it. It's very it's another very very
good episode for you guys. So if you're got your
your electoral hat on, if you like, if you like graphs,

(05:28):
you like data data, yeah, yeah, if you Yeah, we
have with us Daddy data.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Daddy Data is here to lay down the law, to.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Tell us, So what's going up, what's going down, who's in,
who's out?

Speaker 4 (05:45):
And yeah, it's good. It's a good combo.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
So it is.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
And I will say, Janey, I don't know if you
felt this way. I mean I left this interview with
Josh feeling a lot more hopeful about the prospect of
trans politics. At least of course, we still have a
huge problem with rising fascism in the.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
United States, but yeah, I would agree. So get ready to.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Listen to our interview with Josh at Indermentum, the guy
who correctly predicted the twenty twenty two election results. So yeah,
let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I feel like this is like opposite day to our
episode with Hesse, where we had like a fun day
talking about investigation, key weird trans stuff and transvestigation, and
now we're having a somber day where we reflect on
where we're at as a society. Yeah, and we're doing
that with our friends of the show at Injerumentum, who

(06:45):
is a subsidis Josh twitch streamer, podcaster. I think I've
got all those things, unless there's something else you want
to have On.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Twit like a year, but I'm going to go back
once I have more time.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Cool Cool.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
We wanted to catch up with you because you have
written some excellent stuff on substack about trans legislation and stuff,
And I want to just say at the top that
like this is something that we don't touch on a
lot specifically because like last season, like when Carmen would
have me on like as a guest and we would

(07:19):
like try to talk about this stuff, like it just
became very like heavy and very like, I don't know,
we want to mostly like make this like a fun show.
And I still think this episode will be fun, but
like I just find myself not having too much to
say about it, Like I only want to touch on
this stuff if there's like something tangible that we can

(07:40):
do or if there's something funny.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
I absolutely agree. Yeah, I only write about it after
there had been like a set of notable results. I
don't like kind of dwelling on it or repeating myself.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, And that's that's one thing I appreciate about your
writing is that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
It feels I don't know, like it's it's just it's
so doomor like it's such a doom Leyden kind of
like atmosphere. We talked about how like last Pride month
was like the most depressing Pride month ever. You know,
you had like fucking like face tattoo trappers, like like

(08:17):
making like harassment campaigns against like targets, and like there
was just the bud light stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
There was just like a.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Headline after headline of like shitty things like going on
with transit people in gay people.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, And I feel like with with your writing, you
you provide some necessary contexts that, like, I mean, in
particular the one that you made last year about how
this is a very like losing strategy and you're one
of the few people to kind of sound the alarm
that this is not a viable, like political strategy, even

(08:51):
if it does stoke up some fervor in the like
right wing base.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Yeah, that's kind of the main thesis I have it.
Like there's two parts of it. What is this is
an elite project. It's not like some mass public response
to this. This is really being cooked up by a
sort of class of media figures and political kind of
consultants and think tanks, and it has been kind of
transposed from on top to the bottom, which is I

(09:19):
think that's an important distinction, because people I think can
be scared of this is some kind of natural reaction.
There's obviously a constituency for it people are bigoted, a
homophobics and transfers. But this wasn't like a natural public
response to like anything that was going on. It was
you can track this just going into like the first
article that I wrote, you can track it very clearly

(09:41):
to the end of gay marriage is a political wedge issue,
very like the decade from like the mid twentusands to
mid twenty tens when gay marriage went from being pretty
unpopular to a super majority position that everybody agreed with,
and that left the right without like a very necessary
tool for them to kind of divide people and get

(10:05):
them on their side, like they did in elections of
the early two thousands. So they go to trans stuff,
like in transphobia, not because there's some huge public backlash,
not because there's anything that trans people are necessarily doing,
but because it's like they see it as the next
best option. It's kind of like a tactical retreat and

(10:25):
finding a new enemy to go after. But it's not
nearly as well considered as the anti gay stuff. It's
very hasty, and you see time and time again that
like it doesn't like convince people, and it like it's
another big point that I think is important to make
is that I don't want to say that people are

(10:45):
necessarily very like anti transphobic or necessarily pro trands. It's
just an issue they don't really think about all that often,
So they're not going to go out of their way
to be anti trans. They're probably not going to go
out of their way to be really pro and either.
It's just that they're going to be alienated by the
side that talks about it the most instead of the
issues that they actually care about. So you can correlate

(11:08):
this obsession with the issue to a very poor electoral
track record.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
For sure, it's fake and in other words, yeah, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
That's that's been a longstanding beauty translated truth is that
like most people are just indifference. Like most people, like
if you ask like a stranger on the street, like
they're just indifferent. They don't particularly they might like at worse,
like think like it's kind of weird or they don't
understand it. And to be honest, I think that's fine.

(11:39):
I don't give a shit. I don't need people to
like understand the ins and outs of how a trans
person feels.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
I don't need to explain like, oh, it's.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Born in the wrong body, like I don't care, Like
I would much rather have someone just be like, I
don't know, the the Berita that I see every morning
has weird hair and the and the pen that says
she hers, So I guess she's nice.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
She makes a good Americano.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, I mean, I'm like as assist straight person, I
can't say, like, I understand that's why I'm not trans,
but like it's not like my thing. But that's kind
of where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Some I think that you do you yeah, yeah, but no,
I mean it's and I think that's part of the
reason why it becomes well for me, I in my mind,
why we we become the next easiest target because people
are so ambivalent in the sense like they could like
most people really don't know that many trans people or care.

(12:39):
I mean, obviously now more people know trans people than
they did before, but most people aren't thinking about these things.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's also absolutely a thing that like,
I don't know really like hurts. The like anti trans
like movement is that nowadays most people I don't know
about most people, but a lot of people at least
know a trans person. They have someone in their life
and their family at their work, you know, like I

(13:10):
work in public, like I work in like restaurants and
shot and I've had a lot of people like say
to me that, like they I'm like the first transperson
they've worked with.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
And I'd say, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I just think it's interesting because like it's good for
it's it's good for me, and it's good for all
of us because I'm like really really cool. So like
if I'm the first trans person that they know, then
they're gonna think all trans people are really dope.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Really really cool.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yeah, absolutely, really really dope with a lot of flag
and cool. Yeah, this is a very old poll, but
like one of the more striking results that I found
when I was doing this, the first thing that I
talked about in my first article that is, I think
you could say as a genesis for like this whole
political saga was the twenty sixteen North Carolina governor's race.
So just north of us, those losers out there, there

(13:58):
was one who first started this and tar heels.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
What the is that? Yeah, it's like if you clean
your clean your boots, they got tar all over them.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
That's yeah, And it's like a racist name shoes, anything
going on it's.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I don't even know the etymology of that, but it's
it's always.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
The anemology is actually from the Civil War there was
a North Carolina like regiment that was commanded by General
Stonewall Jackson, and they did not retreat during a battle.
They said, oh, they have tar heels. So yeah, so
it's it's a racist background thought with.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
The Native American tribes that like use that as like
early shoes.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
It's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, actually, no, they would use they would use like
they would cover their feet and.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
The bottoms are there.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Actually you actually I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Oh my god, all right, we can't cut that out
now because he's right. I feel like that would get
Really this is like.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
We're at trivia and like and like we had submitted
Josh's answer and then my answer was the right answer.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, then the most insane person at the table's the
right answer.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Yeah. It was it was related to like or people
having actual like tar or rast on their yes.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
So that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, I love I love that the gay people got
it right because it has to deal with fashion.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Fashion, and now we have LIBERTONI.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, so you were saying, uh, Carolina, Yeah, what the
fuck happened in North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
So North Carolina became like so after twenty ten. In
the twenty ten elections, Republicans had a lot of victories
in a lot of states, and they used the very
kind of loose electoralized in a lot of these states
to basically establish themselves in power forever. Like this happened
in Wisconsin and North Carolina and Kansas, so they basically
were totally immune from any voter backs. Lastly, apps were

(16:00):
raun guarantee that they would have state legislative majorities like
no matter what, no matter what the electric results were.
So they started looking at certain states as a laboratory
like laboratories for right wing policies, and they used different
kinds of policy regimes in different states. Like in Kansas,
they greatly lowered the tax rates and it became like

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their laboratory for low taxes. It was a complete disaster.
Actually it has Democrat governor now because of it. It
like really damaged their party there. But North Carolina was
their state for social policies. So when the Republicans took
a trifecta gi trifectas when you have the governorship and
both houses of the state legislator, you have total power

(16:42):
in the state. They started like passing really draconian right
wing social policies. They did voting restrictions, they were puilt
civil rights laws, they did voter It was like this
was where they were doing it. So the local municipality
is in North Carolina, which are more bar and left wing,
started like saying, Okay, we got to check what these

(17:04):
guys are going to do next. We have to prepare
for this. And the Charlotte City Council decided that they
would pass an ordnance that would protect gender identity in
Mecklenberg County or the city of Charlotte. And this I
don't think that had actually changed anythink it was just
like a preemptive kind of maneuver. But it took a
rose the sailing to the issue to the North Carolina

(17:24):
legislator and they totally freaked out and they overreacted by
saying that like like those types of not only could
those types of protections not be passed, but every county
in the state had to follow by a new right
wing policy where trans people couldn't go to the bathrooms
that assign that matched with their gender identity. This was

(17:44):
the first bathroom bill, and it became a huge issue
in North Carolina in twenty sixteen because this was very
early on and people looked at this and they just
saw it his blatant discrimination, like it was just going
after like they couldn't understand it. And companies, many of
whom had transgender employees, were looking at they were like, well,
we can't send our employees to this state. We can't

(18:08):
do that. It discriminates against them. So a lot of
companies in twenty sixteen started canceling projects in North Carolina
because it was totally new and it costs North Carolina
four billion dollars. And that's just the projects we know
were canceled. There are probably a lot that were considered
but weren't done in the state because of that. So

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this bill becomes incredibly unpopular because it's seen as discriminatory
because it has a huge economic impact. And in May
twenty sixteen, CNN had a national poll and they found
that sixty percent of people nationally opposed the North Carolina
bathroom bills, where they forced trans people to go to
the bathrooms that didn't match with their identities. And this

(18:50):
was despite eighty five percent of people on the survey
said they had never met a transgender person before, which
really surprised people involved in this because they assumed that
people had to know people. Hey, marriage, sir.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, I feel like it's easier to discriminate against
someone if you've if you're never met of someone else.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, you know background.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yeah. But this policy was inpopular despite that, Like people
just saw the discrimination and they disapproved of it. So
what happens in North Carolina is that this becomes sort
of an albatross around the neck of the governor there,
who in twenty twelve was elected in a landslide victory,
Pat McCrory. He's the former mayor of Charlotte. Seems this
mot already was very popular, but he faces a challenge

(19:32):
from the state attorney general there, Roy Cooper, and Cooper
makes the bathroom building a huge deal. He says like
he won't enforce the law in his capacity as attorney general,
which is a huge kind of like taking a big
stand on that. He says that he'll repeal it, and Cooper,
as a result of this, goes from trailing in the
polls to leading in nearly every single survey. And what

(19:53):
happens at the end of twenty sixteen is that Trump
ends up winning North Carolina solidly, the Republican centator there
ends up winning even more, but Cooper ends up winning
his race as a Democrat by a very small margin.
So there were tens of thousands of Trump voters who
wanted against their own party in the governor's race over
trans issues. And this is an immediate sign that people

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are not like fucking with this kind of attack, and
like that's kind of the first kind of confrontation of this,
and at least Republicans that back off the issue for
a number of years and they only like there's kind
of a quiet like from twenty seventeen to about twenty nineteen,
and they only really start getting like crazy about it
again around twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's about kids and or that's the kind of the
way in on these issues is about kids in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, Yeah, this was something we me and you talked
about a long time ago, also about how it seems
very like difficult to like fight against because like I
don't know, like like protecting the children, like it's something
very like personal to people, Like it's kind of like
shifting the framework because it's like no we're not being

(21:04):
bigoted against you. You are enforcing this thing on our
kids and you're mutilating them and and doctrinating them.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
And yeah, it makes sense, you know, it feels like
it would be compelling. But what's remarkable is that, like
I actually tracked this, you can find when they shift
the messaging and they explicitly say in the articles at
the time that this is a change in messaging on
the issue. We're moving away from bathroom bills. That was
a flop.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Wow, this is this is over, Like I mean, bathroom
bill is sinking.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're saying that they're not doing that
anymore and that they're moving on to the kids and
sports stuff because they say explicitly that it pulls better.
They say that they can the messaging and that the
kids and so this is a track this.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
No I've heard this before, that like the bathroom bill flopped,
so like they kind of like did more of a
census and saw that Americans care like the most about
like this this abstract idea of like fairness, yea, and
what's more fair than like a sport, you know, And
so that like like threatening like the idea of like

(22:12):
competition and like sports. It's like, I don't know, it
kind of like threatens like the American ideal that like
you can achieve if you try, and like I don't know,
sports are emblematic of that.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
YadA YadA.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
But yeah, what you're saying is that they like they
the bathroom mill was too stinky and no one latched
onto that. But fairness and sports because everyone obviously cares
about women's high school sports, if Americans care about anything.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Yeah, I just said that they changed the strategy. I
didn't say that it worked because it's still good. Yeah,
this is the big reveal here. So the race that
they tried this out in is the Kentucky governor's race
in twenty nineteen. This is Kentucky. This is a very
conservative stand is one of Trump's best states in the
entire country. It is North Carolina, it's a little more purple.

(23:05):
This is extremely conservative. If culture war messaging is going
to work anywhere, it's going to work in Kentucky. No
offense to Kentucky's But I think you know what's going
on there, like you know better than me. Yeah, But
in twenty nineteen, the Republican governor there is once again
very unpopular he's trailing in the polls to Andy Bascher,
who will think I'm going to bring up a lot

(23:25):
over the course of this episode. He's a pretty major
character here. Bascher is like a very kind of old,
like very kind of dying to read kind of Democrat.
His father was the governor of the state, he was
the state attorney general. He like has a kind of
appeal to like white rural conservatives that other Democrats just
don't have. Now, so Bisher is actually contending for the

(23:46):
Kentucky's governor's races. It's like a pretty big deal, and
Republicans are scrambling to kind of save this and they
bring in this organization called the American Principles Project, and
these guys like come up constantly in this story. They're
like one of the leading groups for this kind of
anti trends messaging. Like the guy like who runs it

(24:07):
is the world's biggest viapper of all time. He talks
to everybody. He just like tries to sound cool and
he always get yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I have not
seen this guy to cline a mediator, but he is
a lunatic and it creates these great anecdotes. So he
this guy Terry shilling. He shows up, he's like, we're

(24:29):
gonna save Matt Bevin, the Republican. We're gonna win this race,
and we're gonna do it by attacking the cher on
being pro trends in girls' sports. And they say that
like this is gonna like save the race for Bevin.
But he loses. He loses the race.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
It's so it's just so silly, like yeah, I don't know,
like like literally saying the sentence like we're going to
hinge this race on high school women's sports.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah, it's like doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
And yeah, wow. Another thing I'm kind of like realizing,
like as I was like kind of like rereading some
of your articles this morning, a lot of this like
it's just like very mean spirited, and I feel like

(25:19):
a lot of people really like realize like yeah, like sure,
the because I've had trouble a while kind of like
finding the reverse uno to the like we're targeting your
kids and it's like you're bullying children. You're making laws
to like prevent one high schooler in Nebraska from prevent

(25:41):
from playing tennis.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Well that is actually I'm not to go on to
this is a bit like this is four years later.
But so what happens immediately after this is the Scherling
says that, like, oh, we lost the race, but it
was a victory. What we flipped x amount of votes
for Bevin. We know this for sure based on our pulling,
this city is going to win. But they insist that,
like they like were really successful and they nearly save

(26:05):
the race room and they go on and they like
get some more influenced. The Trump campaign is actually very
wary of it. They try to do kind of a
pro gay like kind of yeah there was a flag, yeah,
but that was in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. He
had like Trump bride hats.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Oh that's right, I remember that. I remember the gays
for Trump people.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, bride rallies were like they're saying that immigrants are
trying to kill our gay people.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, Christian Walker went to one of them, I want
to say, yeah in Lah Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
So they were trying this angle and it doesn't work obviously,
Like they're trying to like kind of split the trans
community from the A community, and they're just like no show.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, the LGB without the tea. It's like, yeah, they're like.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Nobody dies into that, Like it's been LGBT forever. Stop
trying to change it.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I feel like that could only work in fucking Britain.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Like yeah, like oh yes, I don't know, Like my
I hate like if you are one of those gay
people who's like I don't fuck with trans people like
you just you don't go outside, Like there's no way
like you can like go to like gay bars the
like interact with your community and like just straight up
be like yeah, but I hate trans people like you

(27:18):
just sound like a fucking loser, like growth, like.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah, I think there's a quote on this. Let me
try to find it.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
A loser with no friends, Yeah, a loser with no friends.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah. It's they like these NGOs that are run by
like pro equality stuff like just said, like you're just
trying to separate us from that. We're not going to
buy into that. It's clearly a.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Scheme, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I feel like that's only something that exists online. They
just can't be people that go outside and interact with.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
This is the online stuff is an overriding theme. So
what happens is that, like so Terry Shearing comes back,
the app comes in, They're like, oh, the Trump campaign
doesn't want us to do the anti trans stuff. They're
trying to be woke, but we're going to do it anyways.
So he really starts sending like thousands of texts saying
that Biden wants to do sex changes of seventy year olds.

(28:11):
It doesn't work. Yeah, none of the states that he
targets actually vote read. So usually this would be like
a like a terrible like it's over for him. He
tried twice and it just isn't working, like it's joker
for Terry shilling. But what happens after twenty twenty is
the results are a lot closer than people thought they

(28:32):
would be. So Democratic strategists freaked out, like they have
a complete meltdown. They're like, we were too woke. The
wokeness is killing us. We were supposed to beat Trump
by ten points, but we only beat them by five.
This is a catastrophe. We have to be less woke.
And that gives a lot of fodder to these anti
trans groups that are kind of struggling for funds and

(28:53):
contention where they can quote like Democratic strategists saying that,
like all these guys know exactly what they're doing. They
nearly won the election. They're geniuses. They're killing us. They're
going to win every seat for the next fifty years,
so that gives them a huge lease on life. And
this is after January sixth, where Trump is kind of
in the background and like there's a huge kind of

(29:13):
crisis of identity with Republicans, and this is the context
in which the anti trans stuff really takes off because
it hits all of the boxes. It provides them with
a new kind of message they hadn't really tried nationally before.
It promises them that they're going to start winning elections
again using it, and it like it's a big thing,
and they like being biggest, so they just it's like

(29:37):
it's perfect for them. So in around and then like
in twenty twenty one, they really luck out because in Virginia,
when Glenn Youngkin, who is a very strong candidate in
his own right, benefits from the collapse of Afghanistan happening
right before the election in Virginia by his approval rating tanks,
he shoots up in the polls and he wins very
He runs by about two points in Virginia on a

(29:58):
platform the kind of pioneered the anti trans stuff that
was that is to the state their most significant victory.
That is, you can't take that away from them. I
guess like that was pretty impressive. I mean like like
the Virginia was a Biden plus ten state, like we
managed to win, like sure, but what people missed a
lot is that that was just one part of a

(30:19):
larger overall message that cast him as a moderate. He
didn't run as a he wasn't perceived as a culture warrior.
But then in twenty twenty two, they all try to
imitate him. They don't do it the way, they don't
have the yunkin riz and it flops years.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah that, yeah, I do want to ask though, like
even if it's not winning like like races, what do
you make of like all of the kind of like
individual like legislation that goes around Like like this was

(30:55):
something we kind of like touched on maybe before we
were recording, but like, uh, like Car like used to
bring up to me like I used.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
To you know, I used to cover like every week.
I thought like, oh, you know, I'll just like cover
trans news, and then that became very very depressing because
every week it's just like different. It's just like I'm
basically just like screaming, like ah, and it's like nothing
to do about that. It's really just creating a bunch
more fear in the trans community, which is I feel

(31:24):
like half of the tactic there. But we are still
I mean that being said, I keep seeing people say
that twenty twenty four has had more anti trans bills
introduced than twenty twenty three, But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Bill and productions aren't really a good way to track
this in my opinion. Anybody can introduce a bill doesn't
mean they's pass It's just it's a way for people
who want fundraising their virtue signal, like, oh I introduced
the kill trans, people like, give me donation so I
can get it past or somebody like like most of
them are in blue stage any chance of passing or
just trying to get flout right right.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You also touched on something kind of interesting with the
North Carolina bathroom bill thing and how it lost them
a lot of money. And I feel like the sad
fact a lot of the failures of this and you
see this with our with our boy mister ron Dion
desantas Loss who took a huge l fighting against Disney,

(32:28):
woke Disney right, and now.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
They're brainwashing the kids, grooming the kids.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, and it's like I can't help but think that
a big reason why he's lost and all. A big
reason a lot of this loss is because like when
like bigotry is one thing, you know, but when it
starts actually hurting the pockets of the people who actually
run this country, that's when the politicians are going to lose.

(32:56):
Like that, Like I feel like if the bigotry could
just come off like without any you know, financial losses,
they'd probably get away with a lot easier.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
It's a weird mix of it because like even when
they started, they are starting to bring the bathroom bills
back that has occurred in recent years. But like it's
I don't think that every state that has passed anti
trend stuff is necessarily passed a bathroom bill. Not everybody
really gets ahead of themselves, like the way that some
states like Orida have done. It's one thing when you're
trying to make like the businesses themselves obviously is the

(33:30):
spectrum of business or cowardly on this and don't really
care about the actual rights, Like who would have thought,
But it was easy for them to make an example
out of one state. But when it's like half the
country's passionate stuff. They kind of just like whatever, like
we can't like doing this type of thing for fifty
percent of America. So like that was never a long
term strategy. It was helpful that like it helped defeat

(33:54):
them and like give them a big black eye. But
what ry Cooper did was very unique. But I did
show that, like, when faced with even the smallest bit
of material consequences, people are going to go out of
their way to be anti trans if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Right, right.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
That's kind of why the Target and bud Light situations
kind of stuck out to me because like I feel like,
I don't know, I feel like capitulating to the right
wing in that regard in the way that both of
those companies did was so like counterintuitive because like if
they just I don't know, like if they if they
said nothing, I don't think anything would have happened and

(34:31):
it would have just blown over. And also they could
have taken like another route entirely where they were like
hell yeah, bud Lights the gay beer, and then like
every like liberal in the world would be like, oh,
two bud Lights for me, you know, like like they
would buy it. Extra harder because everything.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
In this country is so it's it's just I mean,
you had bud Light for your cookout, Jane, I did?
I did?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Because it was their weepest serious I did.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I did.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I was selling Lope beers for two dollars. It is
because it was the cheapest one to buy at Costco.
They were very I guess that was a good thing,
and mid bud Life very cheap.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
And then they they.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Bounced back with like the Camo packaging or whatever.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah right, but it was so easy to
do business in this country.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Like who was who was that fucking dumbass that it was?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
The Was it the Daily Wire guy that tried to
make uh woke woke candy bars.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Or that's a Daily Wire thing they do? Stupid?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
They did woke beer, didn't they do a woke beer?

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Anti woke beer?

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Sorry, I'm sorry anti woke beer.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
There was one Trump hat that he sold in twenty
twenty that just said woke on it. It was like
a Plexit type thing. But like they are, they might
have claimed woke.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Oh wow, they claiming the reclaiming, reclaiming woke.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I like imagining like a like a doctor strange love
like scene or like Peter selling like Trump should go woke.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
They tried doing that in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Literally, yes, I wanted to ask you a little bit
about Georgia for a second. I mean, Georgia is unique obviously,
like it's probably the most blue state in the South,
I would guess.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
I don't know if you have this.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Point Virginia, which I don't.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
They're so far up there.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
No way, they're all in the DC suburbs, is not,
You're not real.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
There are They're the Richmond north of French Literally are
this hounds? To me is like the Bible Belt And
that's a I'm sorry North Carolina, Yes exactly, but no,
so like.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Georgia, you know, so okay, what's unique about all of
this to me? Like from my perspective is I know
that like trans people, out of all the places in
the United States, we majority of trans people live in
the Southeast United States?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Is that true?

Speaker 4 (37:01):
That is true?

Speaker 5 (37:02):
That like the census South? Is it like a plurality
or a majority? God, he's like plarity. It's the most
of a group of under fifty percent.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Let me look, let me look, Oh my gosh, I
didn't go to college.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I think it's because a plurality of
people who've been in the South that's defined by the census.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
But there's like a I mean, we got a lot
of faggots down here for okay.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Williams Institute. Yeah, this is from the Williams Institute. Look,
I'm just going to drop the image and you helped
me decipher this. Okay, this is from I think twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah, that's a plurality, but it's like the more trench
people live there than any other area. Yeah, you can
see that.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
That's interesting. It's probably because like you know, those.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Are the census regions. It includes like everything from Maryland
to Florida.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
So okay, it's just okay, I could see like the
South is like it's like desolate and boring and like
you know, you're like alone on your farm and all
you have to do is like try on your sister's
clothes all day.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yeah, just look a little like I know that the South,
according to the census regions is like very highly populated,
but even this is like this pretty disproportionately high numbers here.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
And I will say so like in Georgia, we really
haven't seen quite as many of these bills introduced. Yeah,
there are probably if I had to, if I had
to guess, I would say more trans people exist in
Georgia than any other state in the South.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
I think that's likely.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Yeah, and Andy, Atlanta is a very good Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, you can throw can hit a trans person in
any direction.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Of the craziest thing about Atlanta is that we only
had our first facial feminization sergeant move here last year,
and we have no doctors here that perform bottom surgery
any kind, sex reassignment surgery of any Well, yeah, it is,
but it's like why, you know, in my mind, it's
like we've been here for so long, it's like there's
like this commit and it's like why. But apparently it

(39:11):
has to do with the hospitals not allowing that to happen.
But what I wanted to ask you is why you
think Georgia is able to kind of stay clear of
a lot of this Because we've got Florida that just
now reversed everyone's apparently they're reversing everyone's driver's licenses now
to match their yeah, birth sex, whatever. And then you've

(39:33):
got like all these other Tennessee like it's like across
the right exactly. So Georgia has somehow stayed pretty out
of it. What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah, well, if it's go by bill introductions, then I
think it's because the Republicans here run a pretty tight ship.
They're not going to have random members like just putting
out like nonsense. Yeah, Like I remember that there had
one guy who went crazy and like saying that they
should kick out Fanny Willi from dubiting Trump and came
him out of their podcasts. Like they're pretty professional about this.

(40:06):
But a lot of it goes back to the nature
of our governor, the great Brian Kemp, the focus Republican
and all of them, who is in a very interesting situation.
He came to office in twenty eighteen on a very
very conservative platform. He was a Trump endorsed guy. He
made a bunch of more experienced candidates off of that endorsement.

(40:27):
But after the race here went for Biden. He got
in Trump's hire because he certified the election. This litally
burned all the bridges he had at that wing of
the party and he was forced to kind of find
his own way forward. I thought he was kind of screwed.
I thought that he might not survive the primary, especially
when Trump got Purdue, who's not a great politician, but
he's a former satary profile as a name. But he

(40:50):
killed Perdue. He crushed him in the primary by like
fifty points. He won every single county in the state.
It was a huge show of force. And that is
but Kemp in an interesting position where he is definitively
broken away from the Trump wing of the party. So
he has his own brand as kind of I wouldn't
say anti Trump, but not outwardly pro Trump. So you're

(41:13):
definitely a guy who has like clearly stepped away from
him and is his own man, right, and this has
made him very, very popular. He won the last governor's
race by a larger margin than almost every other Republican
besides Rappensburg.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
He did have kind of a weak candidate or of course.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Yeah, that was my Yeah, that was my first article.
I don't think that he's like a god or anything.
Obviously benefited from that. I've been governoring in the first place.
Abrams through that election.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Amazing that they did that rematch.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, it is a terrible idea. Yeah, so
what happens is that Kemp ends up winning by a
large margin, and a lot of it is because he
did for a Republican in twenty twenty two. He does
very well in Atlanta in the suburbs. He has numbers
in Faulton County that haven't been seen since Mitt Romney.
He does relatively well in Cobb County and Gwenett County

(42:02):
and America yea my home when rules. Yeah, yeah, but
that's like the whole area where Kemp is it's very well.
And the contrast with that is in the same race
we had Walker versus Warnock, and Walker ran on a
very conservative platform. He was doing ads. I certainly saw

(42:23):
it repeatedly with Riley Gaines, another very weak candidate. Yeah,
because Walker was such a personal fuck up. He tried
to lean really hard in on the anti trans stuff.
There's an awesome quote from him.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
His cave was really funny, Like, even though it was terrifying,
it was very funny.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Yeah. So Herschel is a complete fuck up of a candidate.
He's like, people have no confidence in him. He's a
told joke. Nobody wants him to be their center. Warnock
himself is very strong incumbent. Uh so he has to
start leaning. He tries leaning on the anti trans stuff.
Not really the sharpest guy in the drawer can't really
like our TikTok messaging in the way other cannabis maybe could.

(43:03):
There's a quote for him where he says, I don't
even know what a pronoun is, So this is what
we're dealing with here.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, he had that awesome like anti transports. I remember, like,
I remember how that was in the ads all the time.
It played like before every YouTube video I want, so
I was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Yeah, I remember that vividly. That was one of the
things that got me this idea for this because I
was like following the runoff very closely, and the early
voting signs were excellent for Democrats, Like it was obvious
that Warnock was on a path to wind the entire time.
And I always contra like there was black turnout of
thirty five percent. It was nuts, Like you could have

(43:45):
the race was basically over before election day because they
did so well. And I was looking at that stuff,
and I was looking at these ads where he was
like Riley games every two fucking minutes, and I was like,
maybe there's something going on here. But Anyways, so Walker
runs in this platform, and in the places where Camp
does very well, he completely collapses. It's like a complete devastation.

(44:09):
He does far worse than even Trump and a lot
of these suburban counties. I think he gets like single
digit support, and like Clayton County he loses like by
three hundred thousand votes in the cab and Faulton. Warnock
cracked sixty percent in Cobb County. He wins East Cobb. Wow, Like, yeah,
Warnock won East Common. That's how much stuff is changing.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
It still had to go to a runoff, though, which
is kind of very.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Close given the circumstances where Camp was winning by eight
points in the same ballot. I think Warnock did very impressively.
He won hundreds of thousands of Camp voters. Really, nobody
else did it like him that year.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
But I also love the moment when he pulled out
his sheriffage. Oh he cluched it, his little plastic triff badge.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Yeah he was. He was great.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
When never anybody's like, you can't break out props.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
He gave us Christian Walker, who is by far our
greatest Christian Walker.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
It was like the Jedi.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Cool God Ultimate.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Yeah, he's so funny. I wish we could have more
like stupid people like that.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
You just have it being entertaining, Like I'm jealous that
New York gets Eric Adams and we get Andre Dickens.
Like Andre Dickens is so boring. I'm always trying to
find something. I found this kind of funny video of
him talking to Joe Biden and he's like showing him
like a train. It's pretty cool. But other than that,

(45:46):
it's just like I met him and he has very
soft hands. I'll say that, oh yeah, knows the trans
memes is a very beautiful wife and very soft hands.

(46:06):
It felt like the King of the Hill when I, uh,
oh my god, it was like the opposite.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I was like them. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
So anyways, the whole point about that story is is
that there's Kep is a pretty savvy guy. I'd say,
you don't get sixty percent approven ready in a swing
state for no reason. And he is looking at this
and he sees that he ran in a more relatively
moderate reputation and he did very well. Walker tries to
leverage the culture worst stuff and he totally flops. So

(46:37):
they have passed a lot of stuff here, like We're
not like some like safe Haven by anything. Yeah, but
I think that he can look at that stuff. And
he's always been obsessed with winning back the white suburban
mom vote in the suburbs. That's why now theyated left floor.
He thought that.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
I forgot about her. Oh my god, I forgot about
that psycho.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
She was like in culter reanimated basically.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Yeah, that was kind of an obsession. That's been an
obsession of him since his first race. Many nearly had
lost because the suburban vote turned away from his party,
and he's accomplishment for himself. He actually just did pretty
well in the suburbs, like I said, but he can't
do it for the rest of his party now, and
I think he's very ambitious. They're all signs indicate that
he plans to run against Oustoff in twenty twenty six,

(47:23):
which will be a very kind of clash of God's Movement.
Like that'll be very like intense matchup.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Kemp is a very like I don't know, he's a
very kind of like old school like Republican in a
lot of ways, it's a very like free Truma Republican.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
He feels like a Purdue from my estimation, yeah, he's been.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Forced into that. He was fine being a Trump Republican,
but the wheel of fate deemed it not to be
his destiny. I mean, yeah, I think he's in a
good position now and it's made him very popular when
people perceive him as a moderate when he's not place
he's the base is still happy with him, like the

(48:00):
Trump hating him, and there are worse places to be
for sure. He also like very connected with business. He
doesn't really want to be known as like the firebrand,
like kind of lunatic right wing. So if like eure
a company that wants to start out operations in the Southeast,
and you're seeing all this controversy in Florida and not
that much in Georgia, Atlanta looks more enticing to you,
And I'm sure that's on his mind. Well, that's kind

(48:22):
of been a tradition for governors here. Nathan Deal famously
vita the Regious Liberty Bill at the same time that
the bathroom bill thing was going on in North Carolina,
and then he got hundreds of millions of dollars and
investments from companies in North Carolina. So it's kind of
that informs their reasoning. They know the benefits of kind
of making Georgia kind of more known as a more

(48:42):
moderate state of these things, well, obviously not being moderate
in any actual sense.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, well, I guess the last little thing I'm worried
about that. I just want you to put at rest
for me, because you have put a lot of my
fears that he ease, I will say, and I appreciate that.
The uh fucking kN Paxton, the Texas Attorney general, total psycho. Yeah,

(49:10):
so recently we know that last year he uh asked
for a registry of all the people who have changed
their their sex in the state of Texas. Well, now
he asks the state of North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee.
I want to say, the same thing, What the fuck?

(49:31):
Why is he so obsessed?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
He's a chaser?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, yeah, he wants our phone numbers and addresses.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Paxton is a very special guy. He very nearly got
impeached by Republicans in Texas. Probably maybe more extreme than
anybody else in the country. Just very out there. I
can't really say what he's doing, but is probably bad.
He really sucks. So is he asking like other states
a setup tro rams are for them to give him

(50:01):
their information.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
He's asking them to send them the information that they have,
like the States.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Let me pull it up.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, I mean this could like just play into Joss's
theory about like when something gets too like repulsive and
like gross and like I don't know, like that it
just it just becomes like a turn off like that.
Like it just seems like this could be someone who's
you know, like trying to like climb their way up
in the Republican establishment.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
By ruined like they tried to kick him out. They
really he's so very much a base guy now.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
I also this is like tangential.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
But like when we're talking about Georgia and it being
like sort of moderate, it kind of slipped my mind
that we have a homegirl MTG.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Oh my god, how we forget to talk about her.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
She's nowhere near her as Georgia is. She's outside of Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah to her.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
I've been to her.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Her district. It's the same place where the house from
Stranger Things season four is. Yeah, and I went to
go see this. I saw Jonathan Byers in my coffee shop.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Oh wow, did you get a handy?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
No?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I don't watch that show.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Which one is that guy? He's like the hot one kids.
Oh my god, Yes, he's in a Yeah, he's the
one that like helps out the kids. I've seen like
the first like two seasons, and then I would have
a third season. I was like, this ship's for babies.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
I don't like this.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah. The Stranger Things cast is like a menace around Atlanta.
They are always looming around every corner. You could run
into one of them.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Sorry, I'm I completely derailed us. But yeah, so Kim
Paxson is just to chase her. We have nothing to
worry about, thank you, Josh.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
I kind of like the beast set at the end
of the first article, which is that as they make
train stuff PARTI isan issue, like a lot of other
policies in this country, is going to be polarized by state.
So in blue states run by Democrats, there are They've
actually passed a number of very strong trans protection trans

(52:18):
refugee bills, like Minnesota and Washington passed them. I think
a lot of other states. Michigan did it too. They're
under a new Democratic majority.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Michigan is great for trans stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Like from what I have a friend who just moved
here from Detroit and she's obsessed with the Whipmer. She
got like ff as like for free and stuff there,
Like it's pretty incredible. Yeah, what they're doing my peach
state health plans is happening in Michigan.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Well yeah, incredible things. Yeah, that's that is interesting because
somebody did say, oh, there's no place you can live
as a trans person with good laws where it's not
like four thousand dollars a month in rent. I was like,
Michigan is kind of cheat.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I feel like Greston Whitmer also like handles the trends
stuff fair very well, but just not engaging with it.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Yeah. She just like shows up to like stuff with
pry Pride flags and it's like, oh, I'm being pro gay.
I love equality in Michigan being tolerant and that it's
like the like the Trans People Militarization Act of twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. I gotta get everything to
Edger before we wrap up.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
What do you think twenty twenty four into twenty twenty
five looks like as we get into it. I know
it's it's not easy to summarize, I'm sure, but if
you just want to give it some of your thoughts, this.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Is going to be the weirdest, most boring election ever
because under the hohood you have crazy shit going on.
Like there's some crazy shifts that are happening. Big moves
are going on. Hispanics are becoming Republican, contactors are becoming Democrats.
Black people are still Democratic, but they're slightly more Republican.
So you can see crazy stuff happening, but at the

(54:09):
top level it's very kind of static. The polls have
shown a small Trump lead over the last couple of months. Biden,
I think, is what the worst person they could nominate
this year.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Yeah, he's Trump's not a good candidate for the public.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Worst yea coughing baby versus coughing baby.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah he's going to die first.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's the next article. What if they
both die in the same day?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Oh man, wow, amazing.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
I haven't may talk about this is like the worst
of I should ever. So it has not been decided
this early since eighteen twenty four. I calculated it. This
is if I can like the candidate that point, I
don't know necessarily. He has a lot of liabilities. He's
obviously very unpopular and damaged political brand. He has an

(54:58):
appeal right now. I think it's hard for people to
kind of understand it as kind of the competence candidate
where he's like, Biden is the guy everything's going to
hell under Biden. He's already can't handle anything. Put me
in there and I'll be tough and on top of things.
That appeals to people in the light of some of
the things that have happened. I think, especially with the
violence overseas, you've Trump really did gain as a result

(55:18):
of that, is, Yeah, ticked up a little bit, necessarily
because people like are pro Palestine and they hate Biden
because he's like, no, like supporting his real too much
because it all it's just it looks like it's all
going to hell and he's not taking care of it.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Now. I can speak personally for myself and our listeners
can yell at me if they want, but I'm not
voting for Joe Biden, and it's because of supporting a
genocide and Gaza.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I think it's horrendous, and I think that's.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Pretty much how every like queer and trans person that is.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, there's a lot of people that are saying that,
and I don't invince that I'm not convinced that it's
enough people to like cost Biden the election by.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
Any means, but those here can be really close, do
you think so? Do you think in twenty twenty the
I think the racer was decided by ten thousand votes?

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Yeah, yes, I mean it was. I could be wrong,
but like I I don't know. It is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
It is interesting because never in my fucking life what
I've considered that, like the issues of Palestinians would be
like something that people care about. Like it's just it's
really it's really surprising to me, and it really goes
a lot to show about how.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Like, yeah, it's I don't prism for dissatisfaction people feel
about his presidency in general. I think he doesn't listen
that he's out of touch. He has old war mongering,
like the DC establishment policies, and it's a it makes
people feel like they're vindicated and their frustration with him.
It's just it's a culmination of years of kind of

(56:52):
or political management. It's like, that's not all that it is.
But the reason why I think it's struct such a
cored with people is that people already didn't like this
fucking in the first place. At kind of attached to
something that they didn't really buy into, and now he's
being like terrible. It's like this is the final strung.
I'm not going to be fucking with this. Uh it could.
The races with Trump are always historically so close, like it,

(57:15):
I don't want to ever kind anything out as having
an impact, right, but yeah, his Biden's problem right now
is a base problem. He's actually holding up relatively well
with the Republican like white swing voters. He's just doing
terribly with non whites. He's doing terribly with young voters.
And that is why he's losing right now. So it's
like they were so focused on guarding their rear flank

(57:38):
that they neglected their center.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Cool. Well, damn, there's like so I wanted to talk
about like so much.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
El It's like John Futterman and Cott City and like, yeah,
fuck that guy guy makes me so mad. That picture
of him in that dumb ass fucking shirt.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
You know that he like had a really good election
in twenty twenty two and it was kind of cool.
I know by five points he was a Birnie guy.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
You know he's like he's really Zionist, even like the
first senator.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Like literally like how to stroke that made him assigned.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, but uh yeah, I don't want to keep you
all day, and I don't want to go on too long,
so hit us with your plugs.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
And I listened to you.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
Oh yeah at Intrementum dot news. Hopefully you can look
at the show description. That's always very helpful. Yes, we
want to bet and I have a Twitter with the
same name, which is where most people probably know me.
It's like there's more followers and write newsletters.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah, I follow the newsletter. It's great.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
All of our listeners would get a lot out of it,
particularly the article heads out there, of which I know
there's probably the big trends.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
One is free, that is free for everybody to read.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Hy we've given Josh official ally status for the one
won the Ally Championships.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
I did get an award from a local Jewish trans
thing a couple of years ago, and like it kind
of makes sense. I guess now. This was like before
I had done anything. It was just a family friend
who knew that I liked politics, and I just don't
like this award that I hadn't done anything.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
For no clue.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Well, now the awards and you can corrected it. Well,
thank you, thank you for being here.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Thank you so much. Before we take.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Voicemails, we have some news to share with the listeners.
Janie's new music video has just dropped.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Oh yeah, by the time, by the time you're listening
to this, you can stream it.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
So yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Stream Janie's new song. Check out her new music video.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
I am in it, Carmen Zenna, I am in it
being cute and stabbing men. You know, she's in it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
She's being cute.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
I've got men tied up, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Thank you again for being in my video.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
It was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
It was fun until the allergy was really set down. Yeah,
I was doing like poison damage to all of you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
She was doing poison damage all of us. She really
took that Midsummer to the next level. And she was like,
you know, we're gonna put real fucking rose petals on
these masks.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Yeah, well I was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
It was more kind of it's kind of an American
beauty thing if you think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Oh, I didn't even think about it. All the rose fuddles.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Yeah, okay, I'm feeling that. Okay, So check out Janie's
American Beauty on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
You know what, I'm gonna walk this bay. You know,
I don't know if I want to be associated with
Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Oh I forgot about Kevin Spacey, but you know, he
is in one of my favorite movies, Midnight in the Garden.
I'm Good and Evil, So he's not a lot of
really good movies. He is, And that is what's so
disappointing about like gay pedophiles. I guess that they're just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, the most disappointing thing about gay pedophile is that
they're in really good movies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
But I will never forget Kevin Spacey's response to coming
out about the pedophilia allegations was to come out as gay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
And he thought that that was he thought he cooked,
He thought.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
He cooked, he cooked.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
It's like it is really funny.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
No, dude, that doesn't make anything better, Like, yeah, but
who's laughing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Now he killed all the witnesses and now he's just free,
like everyone that was gonna testify died and like a
mysterious no, really yeah no, that's actually true.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
I'm not even making that up. Even the guy, the actor,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Like I know that there was like four or five
people that were going to testify against Kevin Spacy and
they all like died in my serious ways.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
So he got off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
They like basically stacked themselves into a suitcase and threw
themselves out of a fucking hotel window.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, I mean it was it was like, you know,
like Russia, Like you can look it up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I haven't. I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah, I don't know if the top of my head,
but yeah, it's you can look this up. It's pretty
cool victim. I mean it's it'd be cool if it
wasn't for covering up pedophilia. But what.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Yeah, what, Yeah, I'm reading about this. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I know, people think I'm crazy and then they do
one Google search and they're like, oh, she's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Kevin Spacey's accusers died in twenty nineteen. That is insane.
Ari Bam, a former Norwegian Royal who accused actor Kevin
Spacey of sexual assault in twenty seventeen, died by sude
Norwegian Royal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I know, right, I feel like a guy that owns
a really nice like tuna factory the air to a
fortune of like canned fish that's called like clip clip.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yeah, fucking wow, Wow, So Kevin Spacey has like he
has like some house of house of cards like connections.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
I mean yeah, it's fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Okay, I'm scared of Kevin Spacey now we Yeah you
should be. That's horrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Anyway. Should we take a voicemail?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
I love so.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
Hello Governor. It's a longtime listener here from the UK
aka Turf Island. I'm just looking for some advice on
voice training and when to do it in a busy schedule,
How do I fill it in? And how do I
deal with your reactions? It's something quite abrupt compared to
the visual transition, or in your opinion, is it even necessary?

(01:04:03):
Is there too much pressure for trans girls to train
their voice or am I just wanting to radiate my
trans joy?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Thanks?

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
Keep with the good work, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I'm gonna be honest, dude, I can't help you sound
normal like har you're you should ask a British person
that's that already sounds American, because I don't know how
to undo what's going on there, how to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Get rid of that accent.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I think you're just gonna sound British for life. Maybe
maybe study like uh, I don't know, like Daniel day Lewis.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Or something like that. That's like get into some mental acting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I'm just teasing. I'm just accents are kind of cool.
But Carmen should take this over because I talk like
a fucking teenage boy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
So no, okay, Well, first of all, my first thing,
my first response to this is no, you shouldn't have
to do anything unless that is something that particularly bothers you.
So if you want to improve your voice, then you
should do that. You shouldn't do it for any other
reasons other than that. But of course it does help

(01:05:11):
with passing. I started voice training when I was about
fifteen to sixteen years old, and I will admit I
don't even have the most feminine voice. I downloaded a
fucking app year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Your voice is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Your voice is insanely cut. Oh thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I downloaded an app the other day that told me
I sound like a man, though, so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Don't voice up. What was it?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
I've had like five of those apps on my phone. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
I don't recommend it, but I think the best way
to go about voice training is to first of all,
you just have to get over the embarrassment of sounding
of thinking you sound silly because the first thing that
happens when you try to speak in a higher register
is you feel uncomfortable because you think you sound like

(01:05:59):
mini mouse or you know, like somebody like trying to
portray a female voice. But that kind of uncomfort you
have to just kind of like work through that because
the more that you do, the easier it becomes, and
the more relaxed it becomes. And I remember when I

(01:06:19):
first found you have to really find your voice first.
And I've talked about this a lot, and I used
the Deep Stealth, I used their Femini Finding your Female
Voice videos.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
You can find them on YouTube, and I use those. Yeah,
there's a lot on tiktoks there is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Yeah, But once you find your female voice and you
know what that register is, you have to practice in
it for a while. But then I would say after
it's just like if you're trying to improve your posture,
if you're trying to improve a habit or anything like that,
it kind of naturally like becomes normal for you, if

(01:06:59):
that makes sense. So like after I would say like
three or four weeks of trying to talk consistently and
that register, it starts to feel a little bit more
relaxed and like you're not really like forcing yourself. It
starts to feel a little bit more natural. So it
just takes practice. I say, do it at night, do
it in the mirror, do it whenever you're alone.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
That's what I did.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Anytime I was alone, I was just practicing my voice.
I would just recite to myself, this is the voice
that I want to use. This is the voice, and
you know, over and over again. But again, I don't
think that trans women should feel pressured to improve their
voice because it is something that is very difficult to do,
and I think that is like a part that needs

(01:07:40):
to be acknowledged about it too. I'm pursuing vocal feminization
surgery for myself. I'm having I have a consultation on
April first, April Fool's.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Day for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
And you know, even with vocal feminization surgery, you still
have to do vocal training after that fact. So if
you want to feminize your voice, there is no way,
there is no avoiding vocal training. If you don't want
to feminize your voice, then I say more power to you,
because quite honestly, you sound pretty like I would say

(01:08:16):
androge like kind of like like in the middle of
those two registers already. I don't think finding like increasing
your pitch would be that much harder.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
But I sorry, yeah, go ahead. I have a few suggestions. One,
get yourself on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Two if you don't want to do that, well, I
gotta be honest. I uh fucking hate vocal training. It's
something that makes me really really really really really mad.
I don't really like this is about to be me
getting like genuinely vulnerable. But I don't really like listening
to my voice at all, which sucks because like I

(01:09:00):
make music and sing and have.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
A show and I have to hear it quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Just the other day, I was trying to like find
like a clip for the show to like make like
like a TikTok or like Instagram reeal with, and I
got really sad listening to myself because I also work
in the service industry and I speak a lot to customers,
and it's the kind of thing that, like it makes

(01:09:28):
me really upset because like, I know I look good,
like I know I do yes, and I feel like
content with where I'm like at in my like gender transition.
Like there's certainly some other stuff that I would like
to do, but nothing that like keeps me up at night, like, oh,

(01:09:50):
I wish I was this, I wish I was that.
Like no, I'm like happy, and it took a long
time to like get here, but I am genuinely like
happy with who I am. And the thing is, like
I I think that if there wasn't this like extra
kind of element of like because your voice is like

(01:10:12):
how you're perceived, you know, so like I I don't
mind like my voice like to like I know, I
just said it bothers me, but it bothers me because
I hear what other people are hearing, and that's what
bothers me. I think with no added like stimuli, I'm
fine with my voice. I think I sound cool, like
I think I like. I think I sound cool, Like

(01:10:34):
I like the way I talk, I like the way
like I'm I'm happy with it. But I've tried vocal
training a lot because I don't want to get fucking
clocked all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
I hate getting clocked on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
I get yes sired all the time on the phone
all the time at drive throughs, and it happens at
work all the time too, And I feel like it's
like absurd because like I look like a girl in
every conceived a way.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
But there's just that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Little thing that's off that makes people who are fucking
stupid just misgender me. And it sucks. And there's nothing
I don't know. I've tried a lot, and I want
I want to do better and to be honest, like
I do. I do kind of use like a customer register. Yeah,
I have. I have a good like customer service voice.
But like when I'm like hanging out like this, yeah,

(01:11:23):
this is how I talk like on the show, Like
this is like more or less how I talk like
outside of you know, in any situation.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
So yeah, I don't really have like much advice. Really.
I've heard other people say that you should just like talk, Yeah,
like Carbon said, like just just talk a lot, just practice,
just feel around with it definitely, like watch videos like
see like what.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
You uh, because there is like a certain you know
method to it, certain like breathing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
And the thing that frustrates me is that like I
know all that stuff and I still am not that
good at it, and I feel like it it just
requires like a level of discipline that like it. It
makes me really really sad, honestly, it makes me really upset,
Like thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
I will say like yes to acknowledge all that. Yeah,
like that's all very real and it's very very difficult
to practice, and it is discouraging because yeah, it's it's difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
But then the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I guess for me why I had such an easy
time with it is because I was just stuck at home.
You know, I was sixteen fifteen, stuck at home the
middle of Lawrenceville, and it was the one thing that
I saw that I it was like the only thing
in my life that I had any control over at
that time, you know what I mean. So I just

(01:12:53):
really really really honed in on that. But then I
will say, like my voice, like you know, even when
I'm talking on the pod, I do kind of talking
a slightly higher register than I normally do because you know,
I can kind of talk a little more relaxed, a
little more vocal fry and stuff like that. And like
when I'm on the phone with my friends and stuff,
we're just hanging out, you know, that's how I talk.

(01:13:13):
But it's it's one of those it's it's just one
of those kind of realities of being trans is like
it's just yeah, it's like do you voice train or
do you not? And you know there's pros and cons.
Obviously a big motivating factor for me was, yeah, I worked,
I worked in retail and I worked, yeah, and I

(01:13:34):
wanted to like stop getting clocked and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
And so see, the thing is like, if no one
would ever clock me from my voice, I wouldn't vocal
train because I don't really I don't really care that much.
Like it's not it's not something that personally gives me dysphoria.
It's just that I know that like the way I present,
like there was so many things that did give me dysphoria,

(01:13:58):
like having facial hair, and then I got laser you know, done,
Like it's over, Like I feel a lot better.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Good for you, d This is something that, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
This is something that like you have to like work
at more a lot more than any of those other things.
And it's also something that like some people are really
really good at and then some people are not, and
I'm just fucking not good at it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
I'm just not that good at it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
And well I just want you know, when I hear
you talk, Janie, I hear Janie and I don't hear
anything else and you sound like a woman to me.
You sound like a California stoner lesbian to me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
A lot of people say I sound like I'm from California.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
You do have like a California kind of like vocal fry,
kind of like valley girl kind of like like you
just sound a skater girl to me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
You know, it's because I literally am stupid. Gag me
with a spoo oh and also also the second part
of your question. I also so don't think that like
it's like necessary I have. I have a I hang
out with a lot of friends that have quite clocky

(01:15:07):
and honestly, I think it's kind of cool. Like it's
definitely one of those things that like when you see
like a trans girl who's like looks really really sexy
cunty and then she's got like that kind of like
clocky voice, like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Like cool, like, oh yeah, I can hang with her.
Yeah yeah, you don't. You don't have to like take
it to I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Know, you don't always have to like walk around like
trying to be like like just you know, like find
out like like even if you just like because this
isn't how like I talked like when I was like
presenting like mail. You know it, I did, I did.
I did change it to a degree. But that's what like,
that's like what I'm saying, Like, I changed it to
the degree that like made me happy. And even if

(01:15:48):
it's not like the degree that's like mega passoid, you know,
always getting gendered correctly everywhere, it still is the degree
that makes me personally like I think it's cool, Like
I think I sound cool. So I guess at the
end of the day, I damn, I just kind of
therapied myself because yeah, I think that is something that

(01:16:10):
that will make you feel better, is if you just remember, like, Okay,
even if I'm not like one hundred percent passing, I'm
out of part that you're making progress where I sound cool. Yeah,
I'm where I'm like happy. Exactly if people misgenders me,
I'm gonna punch him in the time, do a chair
and pull all their teeth out, exactly. That's all that
That's all that's gonna happen. The other simple is that

(01:16:30):
the other.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Thing I was gonna say too that helped me a
lot was female finding female vocalists that I like felt
like I could emulate their voice, you know, So like
I always go for Share, I always go for Madonna,
I always go for Gwen Stefani because they tend to

(01:16:50):
have like a slightly deeper kind of voice than like,
you know, like fucking pan pink Pants thrusts or something
like that. You know, like they have like a lower register.
And so I would find myself when I was really young,
singing along to these songs and trying to like match
the register.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
You know, Christina who Christina Aguilo. No, that's a fucking fergie.
Miley has, Like Miley Cyrus has like a fucking class
She like a guy. Yeah, yeah, she's like she's like
clocked up for real. She really does have like the
most like clockystis woman. For there's people that like, there's

(01:17:33):
like trans people that have been like transvestigating her, thinking
that she's like on tea.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
I'm not kidding, she'd be cool. I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
I love when trans people start transvestigating.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah, I love when I love I love trans behavior,
trans people behaving in a totally normal fashion exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
It's my favorite thing. You know, So yeah, you know,
do it if you want, fuck it if you don't,
and you know, do it. Do what makes you happy, girl.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of trans advice just
inevitably does come back to like do what makes you happy, period,
And there is kind of a The shitty thing about
being trans is that there is kind you are kind
of pulled between the worlds of like me making myself happy,
doing something for myself, and then we live in a

(01:18:23):
society other people, Yeah, and then living in a society
that like thanks your like crazy, you're stupid, and like
having that perception of you, and you just kind of
have to like balance out, like I don't know, it's
it's like building. It's like making a build in like
a like Skyrim. Got everything comes back to Skyrim because
because Sky, because Skyrim's a simulation of the world we

(01:18:46):
live in today, we live we are Skyrim. Where could
you believe it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
But yeah, I think we thoroughly handled our guest question there.
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Well, Jamie's address is. But yeah, thanks for listening to
this week's episode, y'all. Next week we're very excited to
be speaking with director of the People's Joker and friend
of the podcast, Vera Drew Vera, Drew Vera, Drew Vera.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Drew Vera, People's Joker, People's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
People's Joker, Vera Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
But yeah, thanks so much for listening, y'all, and stay
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Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
See you next week.

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Bye bye, by bye, Thank you for listening to Beauty Translated.
Beauty Translated is hosted by me Carmen Laurent and Jamie Danger.

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