Ep. 69: Nice Carp-skie There, Bud

This week, we head to Canada to learn where leeches come from, confirm that muskies are still “fun as frick” to catch even when they’re too easy, find out that your mullet looks better with perch than bowfin, and get mad at sharks for ruining your rookie season in bonefishing. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
I flew all the way to the Keys to catch
my first amberjack on my new slow pitched chicken rod,
and shark bet him in half. And that's not fair.
You right to found uh Lake st Clair there because
you said they're too easy to catch out there. But
that don't matter. Still fun frick to catch. I do
him two swabs up my nose and touch my brain
to get up to Canada to ice fish this winter.
And I came back at the end of the day

(00:27):
and she had prinked o Taylor Swift photos and put
them all over my guide jack room. Good morning to
generate anglers, And welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that
once got pulled over by a mounte for blasting closer
to the heart too loudly a little too close to
the four way moose crossing. I'm Joe Surmelie and I'm
Hayden Samac And do I detect a hint of Oh Canada?

(00:50):
Why else? Why else would you bother referencing Rush if
you weren't going to talk about Canada? You know what
I mean? I hate rush Man, I hate I hate
prog in general. I hate yes, like if I liked
watching assholes do math in front of a bunch of nerds.
I'd have stayed in college. Oh come on, man, say

(01:15):
Getty Lee. Who's Getty Lee? Getty Lee? Best base player ever? Cood? No,
truth be told. I'm not really in the rush either.
I'm not a big fan, but I am into Canada right,
And we haven't checked in with Canada in a while, Like,
we have lots of friends and listeners up there, and um,
the last time we heard from one was in the

(01:36):
Nibbles and SIPs and I was just braided for saying
the name of a hockey trophy incorrectly. Like that's why
I could voice memo. You couldn't find it within yourself
to correctly pronounce Stanley. No, no, man, it was some
obscure trophy. Damn it. It wasn't the Stanley Cup. Um. Anyway,
have you ever fished in Canada? Uh? You know I haven't. Uh,

(02:01):
But they're like, that's not to say I'm not like
interested in it. There's a bunch of ship that I'd
like to do up there, like you know, obviously like
BC Salmon and Steele, Atlantics and Nova Scotia. I would
love to do uh those like big old like ten
pound Brookies and Labrador Yeah, yeah, I've I've done the Atlantic,

(02:22):
so I scratched that. But the Labrador Brookies, man, I
want to do that very badly too. I have not
gotten there yet. And I remember, um, I guess it
was a couple of years ago now when when Orvis
dropped that video of those massive brookies up there hammering
my master spooner flat. I was like, well, that's just terrible,
Like had it been for me, you probably wouldn't be
catching those. Tom Rosenbauer and I didn't get invited, so whatever. Yeah. Man,

(02:47):
it's kind of like people skating for steel head, Like
I never get tired of watching like brookies hit huge
top water bugs like midday. That would be of course,
not that would be wild. I mean, that's that's truly
a bucket list thing. Um. You know, honestly, I just
love to, like I can't believe I'm gonna say this,
but to the surprise of many listeners, I would just

(03:10):
love to walleye fish up in Canada, like you know,
one of those smaller lakes, just like loaded with like
eater size fish, most because of the flas Hey, man,
don't be sorry, that works too. And I just want
to point out to the Bent fans, I hope you
were listening, because now there is a pro Walleye person
here every week, you can no longer say that both
Bent host dislike Walleye. Um. Yeah, and nothing wrong with

(03:33):
that at all. And then there's there's so much water
up there, so much unspoiled water compared to down here
in a lot of ways. Um. Anyway, if you were
headed up to one of those eater walleye lakes are
wonderful sponsors. Thirteen fishing could definitely get you more of
them to eat faster, especially on hard water. Tis the season,
I might suggest the micro magic Man, which is a

(03:54):
tiny one in lipless crank and even though it's tiny,
it's loud as hell. Okay, rattle them right in like
a big Buck man. What do you know about rattling
in big Bucks? Absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever. Uh, thank you anyway.
So why the Canadian theme? Why here? Why now? Okay,
because we've got some big news um out of Canada

(04:18):
to share with you guys. But I'm gonna let the
man responsible for that big news tell you what's up.
So let's fire up a little covering water segment with
our old pal and brother from the north, Ja Siemens,
I'm going in. I hold it all right, joining us

(04:44):
today for covering water are old pal Ja Siemens. J.
You've not been here in a while. How the heck
are you? Man? It's been a minute. It's it's been good.
It's winter now. It's all I see is white looking
at my office. And uh, it went from open water
season ice fishing season in a hurry. Yeah, it's still
open water here and I'm still very okay with that.

(05:04):
But um yeah, a little further north than we are.
So I tee it up that you are here for
a very specific reason today. You have an announcement to make.
I wanted us to make it together. Something is happening
today on the meat eat or YouTube channel. What is
that we got? Uh, we got a new series drop
and called The Canadian Angle. Something I've been chipping away
out over the summer and it's gonna be a phishing

(05:24):
series I'm hosting on the Mediator YouTube channel and m
kind of the play on words on the Canadian Angle
is me being a videographer but then also the angling
side and being a Canadian. So I love it, man,
It's very smart. It's like pet smart. Is it pets
smart or pet smart? Like we don't actually know, um.
But yeah, man, So I've been really excited about this.
I'm really pumped that you are officially doing your own

(05:46):
series now with Meat Eater UM episode one today. What
are we looking at for episode one? Episode one? UM
doing something unique? We went from kind of the food
chain in the springtime. But you normally you go to
the tackle store, you buy your leeches, and you go
walleye fishing, right, But now I wanted to take it
back a couple of steps. So we started off by

(06:06):
going to the creeks in the spring as they're thawing
and the sucker start running up the creeks. I know
you just recently did a sucker video. So we started
by netting some suckers and then from that chunked them up.
I learned the art of leeching, so trapping leeches, which
is something I've never done before. So I have a
buddy in town here that is a commercial leech trapper,
so he brought me along. We use those suckers we caught,

(06:27):
went and set traps for leeches. Came back the next
day there was leeches in our traps and then I
finished it off by going walleye fishing on Lake of
the Woods. So it's it's pretty cool showing how much
work goes into getting the leeches, and then it's kind
of the full full cycling things. Yeah, man, I mean
that's a new one for me. I've never really given
much thought to how the leeches end up in the
tackle shop. I don't know anything about that. I understand

(06:48):
why why you can pay so much of them. I
understand why they're sixty bucks a pound. It's like, yeah,
because you've seen how much work goes into doing that. Now. Yeah,
well so dude, I'm I'm very excited for it. We've
we've had you one, We've done tackle hacks with you.
We've done i think multiple smooth moves with you, the
one where you sunk your boat that was a classic.
But we have not had you here yet for covering water. Um,

(07:11):
this is a little bit different than what we've done
in the past. Hayden, What tell j what what covering
water is all about? All right, So here's how covering
water works. We're gonna put two minutes on the clock
and rapid fire some questions at you and basically intentionally
give you no time to answer. You can't think. You
just got to react. And at the end we'll give
you one full minute to expand on any answer that

(07:34):
you like. We whichever answer you know was the biggest mistake,
you can try and explain it away or completely retracted
if you like, Yeah, you can just make it go away.
So and I also I should point out there, like
the last few covering waters, I put two minutes on
the clock, but I don't know why because we we
always go over two minutes just because we're having such
a good time. But I think the whole point here

(07:55):
is to sort of um, you know, the fire some
things out there that will show us the wishing and
the non fishing side of jay siemens, which is good
now because we want people to love you on the
Canadian angle even more so if you're feeling good, we
will we will begin. So I mean to put two
minutes on the clock here, and Hayden, I'm going to
start and let's go now. Is modern technology making ice

(08:21):
fishing too easy? No? What is the weirdest non target
species you've ever caught? Oh? An eel? Okay? Do trolled
muskies count? Yes? Absolutely? When is the last time you
threw a daredevil oh man, probably seventeen years. Yeah, but

(08:44):
I bet you throw a lot of five of diamonds
right once in a while, once in a while. Right
there you go. Okay, finish this sentence. The band rush
is uh before my time. Finish the sentence. I have
no desire to fish for oh um, microfish, for minnows. People.

(09:11):
Books have been written about it, volumes. I'm like, come on,
all right, okay, in your free time, would you rather
catch one trophy walleye or a whole mess of yellow
perch trophy walleye? There you go. It's your career has
taken a major turn and you have become the biggest
Canadian rapper since Drake. Much like Action Bronson raps about food,

(09:34):
you rap about fishing. What is your rap name? Your
rap name? King Cod? I I did not know that
question was coming. By the way, anyway, What's what's so
good about Tim Horton's anyway, They're always open for fisherman,
open around the clock. Name an underrated fish for the

(09:55):
frying pan um, freshwater drum A good one, good one? Okay.
The number one species still on your bucket list is
GT Janer Valley, me too, man, mullet or bowl cut?
What was the second one? Bowl cut? Oh? Bowl cut?

(10:16):
I like the mullet for sure. There you go. Who
is the greatest musky angler of all time? Mike Lazarus? Okay?
Have you ever gone all in on a piece of
gear or a technique only to have it proved to
be a fad? And if so, what was it? Oh man?
I feel like that's half the musky bits I own

(10:39):
right on? All right, see if you remember this one?
What was the last CD you purchased? Not music you downloaded,
physical CD you purchased? Oh man, probably Taylor Swift? Okay, alright,
alright when we got a time for one more hit?
And hit him with one more? What is the most
overrated lure in your opinion? Over rated lure? And? Oh man,

(11:06):
that is a fantastic question. I think I think it's
the five diamonds? Really? Oh? No, way, a controversial because
that is a controversial one. Yeah, okay, that's interesting. So
that's the most overrated lure of all time? Well? Do
you that jokes about it? Because I just posted a
picture on Instagram with my biggest pike ever on a

(11:26):
five of diamonds, but in the same Yeah, it's that's
a that's a big one. Oh. I gotta say, having
spent enough time in Canada pike lodges, it's like your
average owner, I feel like in a lot of these
places is just like five of diamonds, five of diamonds. Five.
It's like all they throw and I'm like, this is
a good spoon. But there's a lot more out there
than the five of diamonds, right, alright, alright, So so

(11:47):
Joe kind of forced you into extrapolation on on that answer.
Now you got one minute to choose one. Yeah, man,
So anyone you want, we'll give you. We'll give you
a minute to to expand on any one of those answers.
Oh man, let me think about which one was given
given our audience. I might suggest the Taylor Swift one,

(12:07):
but that's probably not the one that you want to do. No,
I can talk about Taylor. No, I'm kidding, fan, whichever
one you want. There was a fit when I guid it.
I was sixteen years old guiding at the first lodge,
the lodge that I sunk that boat at, and I
mentioned to one of the girls in camp that I
was a Taylor Swift fan and I came back at
the end of the day and she had printed out
Taylor Swift photos and put them all over my guide

(12:28):
shack room. So I never really lived that one down. Yeah,
but in fairness, I'll give you one more, any any
any any other ones you want to tell us more
about the ice fishing. Is ice fishing getting too easy?
I think it's growing the sport more than anything. I
think you know now shocks from going to non thermal

(12:49):
now they're thermal shack so you don't need as big
of a heater, you don't need like as much propane,
so it makes it easier to get on in the
cold days. Electronics is getting better, which uh you know it.
It keeps people more engage. If you can have a
kid starting underwater camera, I think that's better than them
staring at their phone in the shack. Right. All those
things is making ice fishing so accessible. And that's the
big thing with ice fishing is you don't need an

(13:10):
eighty thousand dollar boat about to get into it acts
and you get even here, three shack and a heater.
You can fish in any conditions on any size lake.
And uh, I mean obviously you can add to that
and get a snowbile and all those other toys. But yeah,
it's becoming more accessible than every and that's why the
sports growing so fast. And I think that's a great answer, man.
And that's the side of it that I think people
overlook that you know, everybody loves to gripe about while

(13:31):
it's like playing a video game now, it's just too easy.
You don't have to put the work in. But you're right, like,
we need people to keep fishing going forward in the future.
And if that is what's going to engage people to
get out there and enjoy that more, that's that's one
reason why it is definitely not a bad thing. Um
so what are we're gonna see what kind of technology
you're busting out on the Canadian Angle? Round one, Round one,

(13:52):
little little side scan man, there's a little bit of
there's a little bit of live scope, but it's a
little bit. It's at a little bit later on techno.
I think I think season two, I shouldn't even be
talking about Season two. No, no no, we're breaking the rules.
We can't talk I know a little bit about Season two.
We can't talk about that yet. We can't talk we'll
just get through season all. I just want to say,
Season one ends with one of my favorite fish of

(14:14):
the season, so you gotta you gotta watch through right
till the end. But uh yeah, I'm I'm excited for
the ending fish for season one. Dude. They will keep watching.
I will keep reminding them this was a lot of fun. Man.
I'm so pumped to have the Canadian Angle launching today. Um.
I know that's running for at least four weeks, yeah,
four weeks, um, But dude, this has been a blast.
And maybe maybe down the road, you know, I'd love

(14:35):
to have you in a B side. Maybe I'll be
in the Canadian Angle. We'll see, But I know everybody
wants to put me on the ice. I know I'll
get there, I promise. So again, the Canadian Angle drops today.
You definitely need to check that out. Maybe I'll even
be in one with Jay down the road. Who knows, right, Um,
but man, he is. Jay is just a terrific angler,

(14:59):
and I'm so excited that he's doing some official work
with the Meat Eater. Yeah. He's also just like a
really really nice fella, like like that guy that your
grandma would meet and would afterwards to be your Your
friend is such a nice young man. Yeah, yeah, totally,
well he is. Man. We've said on this show that
that Canadians are just generally nicer people than us, and

(15:21):
I'm gonna I'm about to further that notion. Can we
do if you don't mind, we do a quick voice memo.
I don't think we need to make this an entire
Nibbles and SIPs segment, but I want to play it
only well. I mean it's callers from Canada, right obviously,
of course, yes, yes, yes, yeah, So this comes from
north of the border and it was sent to me
by at nerf Work boys, so I'm thinking that's North

(15:43):
Fork nerf Work. I love that. Um and and he
says his name is Cletus, which may or may not
be an alias, but he's very nice. So let's listen
real quick. Oh hey there, this is cleats up from
Nerfer County in Canada. I got carp story too for you.
It starts selling musky fishing on Lake Sint Clair there,

(16:05):
and I know that U you ain't too fund uh
Lake St. Clair there, because you say they're too easy
to catch out of there, But that don't matter. Still fun,
it's bricked to catch. So we was on the fall
fishing them in the river mouth there and uh, guy,
I'm throwing these big rubber dogs. I hooking to a monster.

(16:26):
That's what I think, at least they and uh, we're
fighting him for like ten fifteen minutes. All the boats
around us are like, oh, my goodness, is a fifty inchur.
So I get her up boat side and nod to
think where she's a fifty inchurer? But guess what she
ain't She a big old carp. She's the biggest carp
I ever did see a big old rubber lips bigger

(16:46):
than big enough to make any old European carp fisherman
blush bad. So uh yeah, big old carp Lake St. Clair.
Didn't catch any musky, And uh that's my nibbles and
SIPs for you. We'll see if she gets on there.
But so you just have a great old day there
all right now? Oh yeah, thank you Bud Well clean
us from the great Northern uh the great north Woods.

(17:09):
What did you say? Well, yeah, but he's not that
far north. If he's fishing St. Clair, he's got to
be right outside Detroit, so he's not like you know,
the but it reminds me of me and my buddy
David Uh. We used to have this gag whenever we'd
go ice fishing. We go by the alias is Ourselves
of Cletus and Jebediah. And every time, yeah, every time

(17:31):
I tip up, will go off. Please go, get go,
get out on that tipple right now. I bet that
didn't get annoying happening all day long, all day Well,
I'll tell you what, man, you're drinking of beer. Man,
it just gets funnier and funnier. I love how he
takes a very backhanded shot at you for saying that

(17:51):
you don't like the same Claire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know which is it's not true, Okay. I have
suggested in the past that St. Clair has a reputation
for being the easiest place to catch muskies. But I
didn't give it that reputation. Damn it. Like I didn't
make that up. That's a that's a known thing in
muskie circles, especially if you're trolling, which a lot of

(18:13):
people do there. Like the guy who's never spent hours
breaking his wrist throwing a double cow girl gets his
fifty there and he's like got it. I'm like no,
you didn't. You got it, but you didn't earn it.
You know what I'm saying. Musky fishing is interesting to me,
but like as much as I am, I guess you'd
say fly fishing inclined. I much rather do muskies conventional.

(18:36):
Oh yeah, you're and you're a very smart man. You're
smarter for that, um totally. I Lord knows, I've learned
that fly fishing for muskies anyway. I gotta say I
got such a kick out of this voice memo there.
But because this has happened to me, I am not
a muskie zealot. I chased them time to time. And
there's a lake not far from me at all that
is classified as a trophy musky lake. I fished it

(18:59):
probably a dozen times over the years, never seen a muskie,
never moved a muskie. But the last time I was
out there, I got thumped and this fish was not small.
And I'm full on, like my buddy lunges for the
net game on this is it finally pound carp with
the glide bait in its back. That was it. That
was the last time I ever fished that lake looking

(19:20):
for a muskie. What I'm saying, yeah, Yeah, no, I
can definitely see how that would be a little bit
of a kick in the ass. Um. You know, my
leg sort of running joke out here is like is
it the fish of the day or is it another
ass hooked whitefish? You know what I mean exactly? Yes,
speaking of a of a little kick in the ass,

(19:41):
I'm about to deliver another one when I beat you
in a weekly competition we like to call fish news.
Fish news. That escalated quickly, so not really much housekeeping
this week. Um. The only thing I got what I
was called out on a mispronunciation, and I'd like to

(20:04):
rectify that if I may. Uh in our our last
that's my bar. We covered Eagle Valley Resort in what
I said was posh, Nevada, and that was supposed to
be pronounced poh shit, posh poch. I still don't really
know how to pronounce pos pos posh, that's what posh. Interestingly,

(20:28):
if you talk to Remy Warren, he will probably also
reprimand you for saying Nevada if you are from that area. Nevada, Nevada. Yeah,
you know. Now that's been the same guy hit me
on that too, and I was like, I don't care
that much about it as a dude who regularly fails
to pronounce ship that he reads, I feel your pain
and I'm I'm here for you. Man. Yeah, it's not

(20:50):
a big deal. It's gonna happen, but but I feel
like I have to say what happened. So posh is
spelled p I O C h E, and listener end Parks,
who sent the submission even spelled it out phonetically from
my dumbmass, but he wrote p dash oh dash with like.

(21:12):
So looking at it again now I see that he
meant it to be po but like, in a moment
of haste, because I'm always juggling four things, I took
it at face value and just read it as posh,
as in posh pie you know who was inferior to
Ginger your spice. So sorry, Nevada, Nevada, I apologize. I
I could see how you would make that mistake. I

(21:34):
was gonna rip on you if that makes sense. Thank you. Go.
Uh So that's it. That's housekeeping this week. Let's get
on with it. Remember, fish News is a competition. At
the end of this are apparently non stovetop loving audio
engineer Phil will declare a winner. I know, I know,
or maybe not right. Last week I think we irked Phil.

(21:54):
I think we rattled Phil's cage. He did call his
assholes and then declared Lake Trout the winner of Fish News.
So Phil, we're sorry. I won't even ask about Rice
Erroni or a pizza flavored hamburger Helper or Lipton microwave
noodles because now we know that's not what you're about. Okay, fair,
But Hayden, what are you about? It is your leadoff
this week? Man, what do you got? Alright? So Joe,

(22:16):
this week in Fish News, we're going back to Australia. Hey,
little minute work right there, Phil? Thanks? So today we're
gonna talk about the Great Barrier Reef. And this is
going to surprise a lot of people. We're not going

(22:36):
to talk about how totally it is. That's refreshing. I
mean we are, but only to contextualize some like good news.
So did that end? Here's the little ray of hope
for one of the great wonders of the natural world.
This comes to us from the Washington Post. This week,
scientists observed a massive coral spawn on the Great Barrier Reef.

(23:01):
That's it. Uh, that's not really there's not really like
a bunch to the story. It's just kind of something
that happened. It's a fact. So you may be asking,
why bring this up? This is a weak ass story, Hayden,
where you rushed and had a bunch of other ship
on your plate. First of all, yes, that's exactly what happened. Secondly, Uh,

(23:22):
this story does have some legitimate meat on the bone,
but we have to look beyond the actual event and
talk more about the implications of this event. Um, everybody
knows the coral reefs are in trouble. How much trouble
do you ask? A study conducted by the Global Coral
Reef Monitoring Network published in October of this year, concluded

(23:43):
that between two thousand nine and two thousand and eighteen,
climate change is killed four of the world's coral reefs. Yeah,
it's a big deal and it's everywhere. It's all it's
it affects like all coral reefs everywhere. Yeah, for a
lot of folks, we hear warm and a eate it
with bad And that's where our understanding of the issue

(24:04):
between coral and climate change ends. Because information is power,
I want to offer you an explanation of what actually
goes down and exactly why the warming is bad even
for these tropical reefs. Uh, just what because information? Because
information is power. That's like a PS. That's like a
g I Joe p s a for bent whatever Joe.

(24:30):
When we when we think of coral, we typically think
of shades of like pink, orange, blue, green, etcetera, etcetera. Well,
that coloration is largely due to the algae that covers
the coral itself. Coral has a symbiotic relationship with algae.
The coral provides it with a home, and in turn,
the alergae feeds it. When coral becomes stressed due to

(24:52):
outside pressures, including but not limited to a warming environment,
the coral expels that algae. This is called coral bleaching. Basically,
as a result of the vacated algae, the coral turns white. Unfortunately,
this lack of algae now not only means the coral
is is white is joe summertime farmer's tan, It also

(25:13):
means that the coral now has nothing to eat, which
caused it to starve and die. Yeah, So that those
are like the images that they try and tug at
the heartstrings with where it just looks like a wasteland
of like dried bones where coral reef used. Yeah. Yeah,
it's serious, and lately it's been occurring it as scale
much larger than has ever been seen before, including mass bleachings.

(25:39):
In fact, the first mass bleaching event ever observed killed
eight percent of the world's coral reefs in a single year.
I think the second mass bleaching event that year was
my hair, but that's a different We will now for
some good news. It has been observed that coral reefs

(26:02):
can indeed recover from a bleaching event. In smaller bleaching
events when the root cause has been controlled and conservation
practices implemented, there's been a significant recovery within those coral reefs.
Here's the good news. This is what they're hoping can
happen here, and the fact that the coral is still
spawning points to reproductive potential even under pressure. So really,

(26:25):
this story highlights one big important point. We can do
something about a problem even when it's gotten, you know,
cross the line into a dire situation. Things are never
really too far gone to at least recover a meaningful
portion of And just because the situation is dire doesn't
mean that it has to end in certain doom. Yeah. Man,

(26:46):
I mean we've we've covered stories here before about like
there's other organizations that are trying to move and replant coral. Um.
But I you're making a good point here, and you
can apply this to a lot of different conservation stories. Um.
We often feel the need to be like, well, it's
it's all screwed and it's never coming back. Um. But

(27:07):
it's the wrong attitude and you sort of have to
start somewhere and and sort of find the good in
all of these problems. Um. So I mean, dude, that's
that's good news for the entire environment. Plus all the fish.
If all those dead zones that that you see, all
those bleaching um you know videos, it's just it's horrible. Um.
If that has the potential to come back, then that's

(27:29):
good for everybody, even if it is on a small portion. Yeah. Yeah,
And we can really look to other conservation success stories
to give us hope here. You know, one that comes
to mind is, you know the wild turkey population in
the early twentieth century. I mean they were like something
like thirty thousand wild turkeys left in America and now
and if if you have eyes. You see turkeys. Yeah,

(27:52):
I mean I see turkeys and I'm not even looking
for him. I almost hit turkeys with my car. And
when when it comes to like the wall A specifically,
I mean, we're doing all sorts of interesting things. Um.
There there's been a legitimate recovery of coral reefs in
the time of COVID when tourism has slowed down, Like
that's like a big part like the problem. Um you

(28:12):
also see art the success of artificial reefs. So there
is a lot of potential for good. And you know,
don't listen to a news story that's just totally you know,
forecasting doom and gloom and irreversible, forever forever damage and
just resign yourself to it. You know, there is always
something that can be done in the name of conservation

(28:33):
to either protect what we have or hopefully, is is
the case with this, you know, eventually restore to its
to its original luster. Yeah, man, no, this is great.
I I The only thing I think is funny is
it's sort of it's like all news these days. It's
also just depends on who you talk to, you know
what I'm saying, Like it's kind of like, um, yeah,

(28:55):
I had to say. It's kind of like with COVID,
like you read the headlines. One day it's like we're fine,
and the next day like in the same we're all done. Yeah, whatever,
good news is always more uplifting. Um. And I guess
there are some people who would say that, um, there's

(29:15):
some success in the recovery of sharks. Sharks have a
lot of problems, and that's gonna that's gonna tie you
into my story here. But I just I don't want
I want to start this by saying very quickly and
I'm surprised in your hasty went Carl Reef verse grabbing
this Because yes, we know that a new state record
muskie has been caught in Minnesota, which is kind of
a big deal, seeing that the state record has stood

(29:35):
for sixty four years, kind of a big deal. I'd
like to congratulate angler Nolan Sprinkler on that catch, which
weighed fifty five pounds fourteen point eight ounces. But if
I'm being totally honest, the story surrounding it isn't all
that compelling to me, right, Like, like he went muskie
fishing on Lake Malax, plus pounder happened to eat his lore.

(29:57):
That's kind of a gist, right, it's awesome, but instead
I chose a complete sleeper of a story buried in
the news feed, mostly because it allows me to make
fun of people and I think we'll have a better conversation.
So um, here we go. This comes from the website
Eureka alert dot com headline Jaws of Defeat Angler's emotions.

(30:20):
I love a good fun. Yeah, I know, I know,
we all know. Uh, jaws of defeat angler's emotions towards
shark depredation is key to conservation. Now, by depredation, what
they're talking about, what this entire story is centered around,
is a shark attacking a fish that you are reeling in.
I just want to be clear on that. So here's

(30:42):
the lead directly from the story. In a broad scale
study recently published in Fisheries Research, researchers from the University
of Massachusetts Amherst quantified the emotional and behavioral responses to
shark depredation in recreational fisheries. Are saying that people don't
like it when sharks like munch their forty pound yellow fin.

(31:05):
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, but that's kind
of what I'm saying The study found that anglers and
especially recreational fishing guides experienced depredation were more likely to
have a negative response towards sharks, and we're thus more
likely to target sharks for additional harvesting. So well, but yeah,

(31:26):
it's it's it's it's debatable, right, we'll get there. So
the article suggests that um depredation is an ever increasing
problem for two reasons. One um is that long standing
shark conservation efforts are allowing shark populations in certain regions
to bounce back, so there are more sharks. The second
is that the number of recreational salt water anglers is

(31:46):
growing year over year, so more struggling fish onlines for
sharks to eat. I would agree with both of those things,
absolutely no argument there. Um. I've heard from several bodies
in Florida in particular, that it does team like there
are more sharks than ever, and we do know it's
getting more crowded on the water. So you did you

(32:06):
happen to see that video with the zombie shark? No,
what's the zombie shark? I half almost picked it up.
It's just a video somebody took. They they were reeling
and it looked like a reef shark and it got
attacked by I think a bull shark. And I mean
like half this thing's body is missing and still swimming
around like trying to get off the line, but also

(32:28):
trying to snag like other fish in the chumps lag.
I don't disbelieve that. Man, they don't have large brains,
and sometimes it takes a while for them to fade
in moments of trauma. And it's actually anyway Gray's. Castleberry,
lead author of the study, believes that this rampant depredation
is quote helping to drive the perception that sharks are

(32:52):
a threat, which in turn could lead to retaliatory actions
that could lead to over harvesting of sharks. So for
this study, Castleberry and her team sent a survey to
loads of recreational saltwater anglers and guides across North America.
Five and forty one of them responded. Survey questions included
which kinds of fish were most often depredated and uh,

(33:16):
in a nutshell, how did you feel when the mean
shark took the yellow tail snapper off your line? Not good? So,
according to the findings, over of respondents noted that they
had had a fish taken by a shark at least
once in the last five years. Of that group, well
over half had seen more than twenty depredation events in

(33:36):
the same time period and had actually seen the shark
take their catch. Furthermore, the study found that while the
anglers were more likely than guides to feel a sense
of all or even excitement when witnessing shark depredation, guides,
who tend to experience depredation more frequently were far more
likely to feel anger, distress, and sadness. Perhaps even importantly,

(34:00):
the surveyed guides were overwhelmingly more likely to respond to
depredation by harvesting sharks in the hopes of reducing their
numbers and so protecting the fish stocks they target. Now,
obviously I have no idea who these surveyed guides were
or where they fish, though I bet most of them
are Southern. But something about those yeah, yeah, but something
about those reactions doesn't add up to me, right in

(34:24):
my opinion, it would be more likely to be the
other way around, and I've witnessed it the other way
around countless times. If we're saying part of the problems
that there are so many new anglers on the water.
I would think it's the new beat that gets his
or her first tarpet or grouper or kingmac chomped off
the line. That would be more sad. And I've seen
that happen. I just years ago on a bone fish

(34:45):
trip um and it was tough, like tough fishing, bad weather,
and I was with the dude that had never done
this before, and he hooked one monster fish on the
last day, shark took it and he was devastated. Now, Conversely,
every time I've been out in the Gulf or Florida
with a season captain, it's been around and someone gets sharked,
they don't freak out about it, you know why, because

(35:09):
getting it's just it's just part of the game. Getting
sharks is just part of the game. There's a name
for it in saltwater fishing. It's called paying the tax man.
Sometimes you gotta pay the tax man. That's just how
it goes. And while it's a bummer, I don't know, like,
you don't get all whiny about it. It's just part
of the gig, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I'd be
inclined to think that, like a lot of these folks

(35:29):
who were getting who are surveyed and getting excited about
seeing like the depredation event. I would think that maybe
a lot of them were like charter casuals, you know,
like they don't get they just don't. Yeah, they take
a video and they're like, oh, I'm gonna send it
to all my friends. You know. I I kind of
think the same thing. Um. I'm more surprised, you know,

(35:52):
because I don't fully understand these captains responding that getting
sharked will make them kill more sharks. Now, it's one
thing to say it will, Like I've heard captain say oman,
I'd love to kill every one of these best and
sharks on this reef. But I've never known one or
met one that, like, on a day off, makes the
effort to go out to the grouper grounds and harvest
as many sharks as legally possible in an effort to

(36:15):
reduce their numbers. I'm not saying that never happens, um,
and I'm not saying there aren't people out there who
do illegal cowboy shit. But I find the notion slightly
silly because it's, you know, it's it's the ocean, like
these fish roams, so you kill some, they will replenish
um in cases where like every other fish is getting sharked.

(36:36):
I've seen captain's move to try and get away from them.
But I can't help but interpret the whole study as
as sort of cloaked in like new school whin nous,
Like I flew all the way to the keys to
catch my first amberjack on my new slow pitched chicken rod,
and the shark bet them in half, and that's not fair.
You know, sharks shouldn't be allowed to do that. Like
That's how I'm interpreting a lot of people who responded

(36:57):
to this. Um, I don't know. I think it's a
bit of a fruitless study in my opinion. You're worried
about over harvesting sharks, like you know, there's there's tens
of thousands that are illegally finned at sea and dumped
by commercial operations the world over. Um, you know, recreational
anguage that might be but heard about having dinner taken

(37:17):
off the line, Like come on, So I I just
I just found this strange and interesting. Yeah, it seems
like a like a weird it's just a weird demographic
to survey about these. To your point, I've never seen
somebody who's been like that shark took my like, you know,
my yellow fin. I'm gonna go get that shark. My

(37:39):
dad does a he lives down in Turks and he
does Yeah. Yeah, he does a ton a ton a
ton a ton of plagic fishing, and he has sharks
ripped tuna from him all the damn time, constantly, And
in fact, they're talking about how they haven't seen that

(38:01):
many sharks. Ever, I would venture to say, like most
of the really big tuna that like he's having, not
like you know, he's like having like an extended fight
with end up getting bitten half by a shark. Yeah,
And I'm I'm not suggesting that there's no merit to
this happening more often, right, Like I said, I've heard
that from from several people. I just don't understand, like

(38:22):
what the what There's there's nothing in the article about like, well,
what's the end result here? Okay, So we find out
that most people hate sharks when they take their fish
off the line, But how that translated into some kind
of of of action, I don't know, Like there's more sharks,
so it's gonna happen more like you wanna you want
to play the game. You gotta pay the taxman now
and again, maybe you gotta pay him more than you

(38:43):
used to. But like, what what do we do about that?
It's you know, I understand, man, and I can understand
like the sentiment to like, you know, if I shoot
like a deer or something and it gets eaten up
by coyotes, Yeah, I'm gonna spend a little bit of
time predator hunting. But I feel like that's a lot
differ and then being like they took my wah, who
I'm going to become a shark fisherman allah, like Captain Quinn,

(39:06):
you know. Yeah, And I mean, you know, even if
you had some guys that were so upset that they've
had that mentality of I'm gonna go out to a
reef and like, whack a bunch of sharks, I don't know, man.
The captains I know who live in extremely sharky territory, uh,
you know, Florida and Carolina is in the Gulf, most
of them don't want anything to do with sharks unless
they have clients that specifically asked to be taken out

(39:29):
to catch sharks. You know what I'm saying. Um, So
I I have no idea what the limits are. It's
it's very That's the other thing too, It's all over
the place with what you can and cannot keep, you
know what I mean, Like like to use black tips
as an example. I'm pretty sure there's a season or
maybe year round like, but I think it's one per
boat and that's legally all you could take in Florida.

(39:52):
And Florida people if I'm wrong, But I'm just trying
to make a point here that in most there's not
many instances where you can legally just go out and
and be like, I'm I will kill as many as
I hook today to get him off this reef. That's
kind of impractical, you know, you eat shark, ever I do.
I mean, it's been a long time, um, and Lord
knows that that things have changed in that arena. And

(40:14):
I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. But I
did a lot of mako fishing back in the day
and and thresher and um, you can hate me for that,
you know, I don't really do it much anymore, and
the rules have changed. But I'm also not going to
sit here and say that mako and thresher shark aren't
like mouth wateringly freaking delicious. Man. I mean, I'd pick

(40:35):
I picked either of those against swordfish any day. I mean,
it's good. It was common for years growing up all
the sea here restaurants at the Jersey Shore, you could
get a mako steak like that was that was nothing,
you know. I remember I remember going into a market
when I was a kid and seeing like a mako shark,
you know, mako shark steaks behind the counter, and being like,
I gotta go eat that, man. You know, yeah, I

(40:57):
mean it really it is fantastic. But at the same time,
I you have to recognize with makos in particular, there's
something else in the news about trying to get the
entire world to agree not to target them commercially anymore. Um,
people do not catch them here the way they did
when I was growing up, and even before that, it
was like, you know, it was in the sixties and seventies,

(41:18):
it was like all the makoes you wanted. It was
good when I was younger. Lately, you know, it's it's
not that easy to go out there and do that anymore. So, UM, certainly,
certain unless unless you're like a charter fishing like X
frat boy, not you know, letting his fly hangover and
catching seven pounders. Yeah, you know it's hard for me

(41:39):
to come down. I mean, smooth move reference. I know,
I know that. But like I I'm not gonna lie. Man.
If somebody invited me out on a mako trip and
we called a keeper. I do that so infrequently, you know,
I'm not a charter captain that's out there shark fishing
week over week in season. Yeah, I don't know, man,

(42:01):
Like I don't know how terrible I would feel about
keeping a legal one because I'm not going to do
that ten times a year. You know it's probably been
I don't think you should feel bad about that. If
I see a thresher in the bunker when I'm striper fishing, like,
I'm not opposed to trying to catch that. It's all
delicious anyway. Um That's what I got. So people stop
being sad about the sharks or just I don't maybe

(42:22):
try not saltwater fishing in Florida because it's gonna happen eventually. Uh, Phil, coral,
reefs or sharks, which one takes your fancy? This coral instantly?
I also believe Phil looks good in the color coral.
You know what I mean. I think Phil looks good
no matter what he wears, So we will we will

(42:43):
hear from Phil and then, um man, we're gonna crank
the metal and rock the mullet for pretty good awkward
moments in Joe and Sharks. Sharks and Joe's tailor as
old as time and it's still never it's old Joe.
You're the winner this week. Hayden. Maybe you shouldn't have

(43:06):
rushed and put some more time into your story, but listen, man,
I'm sorry I had to choose because I don't want
you to feel embarrassed. But if you do, you could
always And Hayden, I'll let you go with just a
little bit of advice that my grandfather told me the

(43:29):
night before he died. He sat me down next to
his bedside, told me to lean in closer and whispered
in my ear Phil, M I miss him so much.

(44:12):
Why did you take a picture a life block? We
got called out recently, Yes we did. On Instagram. Listener
at hunt Fish Sleep seven suggested that lately we have
not been adequately roasting our awkward moments victims, like we

(44:35):
haven't been harsh enough for something hunt sleep Fish seven
looks like a real estate agent for vampires. Boom roasted
huntling Fish. I didn't know that was coming. Anyway, I'm
going to disagree with with him slightly because, in fairness,

(44:58):
not long ago, I told a poor young fly angler
his favorite fishing shirt looked like the wall paper from
a circuit nineteen seventy two pornos set. But okay, man, okay,
we'll will try well, we'll try and dial it up
a bit, and this week we have it's a it's
an inadvertent two fur Okay. So listener Mike Baldwin sent
a photo and I said, yep, yes, I will take that,

(45:21):
and then he immediately sent another one he followed up
and I was like, and I'll be taking that one too, thanks.
So we got a double feature here from Mike. So
let's start with the first shot. We'll get right into
it here. Now, this was taken in vintage. Right now,
Mike is holding a bow fin down at waist level,

(45:42):
and that's big brownie points right there, right because he
may have been the only guy taking photos with bow
fin because that hadn't gotten cool yet. Right, it's cool
now with the frogs and stuff, but not back then.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, two thinks I can't
believe that photos from and also I was gonna get seven.

(46:05):
It also appears that that both in, which is it
looks like a pretty respectable both fish. It's it's not
small nuts good fish. It appears that that both in
is on a stringer, which makes me wonder if Mike
ate the bothin, because eating both isn't something I don't
think you'see super often. No, No, they're like they're not

(46:25):
that popular for food fishing. You're right, there does appear
to be an old school like nylon rope stringer in
its mouth. I'm not sure if he ate it. Um,
but I am sure of is that nobody else has
ever gone both in fishing in the super tight, screaming
red nuth ugger pants that Mike is wearing in photo
number one. Now that now look, this photo is cut off.

(46:47):
It's cut off mid thigh on Mike, So they could
be sweats, they could be short. Yeah, but at first glance,
like when you just look at it, it's like ship,
where have I seen those pants before? Oh? Yeah, and
the beat It video. This is like this kind of
reminds me like a like an uncle ted like Ted
Nugent outfit. Yes, yes, maybe, but like definitely like the pants.

(47:13):
Yeah yeah, so the shirt. So Mike is wearing a
faded early nineties style, like what i'd call like a
bum equipment style sweatshirt. Now those, of course they've they've
become fashionable once again. But this one appears to have
been purchased in the Chicago theater district. It just says Chicago,
and there's a clip art style graphic of a saxophone

(47:34):
and the laughing and crying masks that are like the
universal symbol for theater. They probably have a real name
or something, but I don't I don't know what that is. Yeah,
I honestly have no idea either. But forget all that.
Can we please get to you know what I want
to talk about? Man? Yeah, you're gonna talk about the hair. An,
let's let's talk about the hair, do it? Uh? So

(47:55):
Mike is uh I'll tell you what, man, it is
a hell a hell of a blond mullet. It's special.
It's special. It's parted straight down the middle, it's flowing
shoulder locks for days, not like he seems to be
a pretty tall guy. I our guess this dude is,
you know, but the mullet actually makes him significantly taller. Yes,

(48:20):
While I'm sure it's just the way that his hair
might have fallen that day, the best way I could
describe it to, you know, someone who hasn't gone to
Joe's Instagram and seeing this picture, Um, it's imagine a
bald man with flowing locks. And I'm gonna we'll get
to this in the roast too, but flowing locks around
the sides. And then he just plopped a two page

(48:41):
just right on the top of his head and didn't
press it down. He just he threw it up in
there and caught it, you know. Yeah. See, I think
I think it's just like Moost Quaft or Permit maybe.
But it looks, Yeah, it looks very strange. So here's
what we're gonna do to spice up awkward moments. Hayden
just mentioned a roast right now. Hayden has examined the

(49:02):
photo and come up with a series of actual roast
style shots based on it, and I don't know what
they are, right, So we're gonna say, let's see how
many land phil phil can we get, Like I don't know,
like some crackling fire or something, So go ahead. Photo
number one of Mike Baldwin. Uh sorry, in advance, Mike,

(49:24):
you asked for this. Dude small. It looks like it's
trying to get away from his head. Brian eno saw
this picture and decided it was time to cut his hair.
That was not gonna land with a ton of people,
but the ones that just got that got it real good.
Dude looks like he thinks Brian Bosworth is still going

(49:44):
to turn it around. Dude looks like the medicine man
and Dances with Wolves bleach his hair and got into
prog rocky. Dude looks like an undercover cop trying to
bust a hockey t. He said, it is that all

(50:04):
you got? That's all I got for that one. I'm
gonna give it to the Dances with Wolves. It's not
easy to work at Dances with wolves reference in Man.
That was great. Okay, so then we have Now we
have a second shot of Mike. I mean the first
shot he looks kind of tall and skinny and like,
you know, the ensemble could make him We'll say, like

(50:25):
the keyboard player in Minute Work or something like that.
Right now, by contrast, in photo too, Mike is squarely
the roadie for Ministry or Dokin or something. It's quite
a transformation. Same bullet, which looks a little bit more
like it looks less. I don't know planned this time.

(50:47):
It's like the moment, it's natural state, right, just uh,
all of a sudden though, Mike's looking buff, dude, Yeah, yeah,
he's jacked all of a sudden, right, And now he's
he's wearing like navy Dickies pants, a vintage Puma T
shirt with the sleeves cut off, and he's got a

(51:07):
pair of pit viper shades hanging around his neck. Now
this reminds me a bit of um, you know that,
like that that classic old shot of Schwarzenegger, like holding
a tiny girl in a bikini cradling her. Right, because
Mike is holding up a chain stringer, stretching it out
in front of him between both arms, and it has

(51:28):
to weigh like fifty pounds. Yeah yeah, the dude. I
tried to count, and I'm putting like the combined number
of like Perch and Bluegill and Croppy on that stringer.
It has to be close. It's got easily easily, which
based on this hall. Now, I'm kind of thinking he
probably ate the bowfin. I think I think Mike likes

(51:48):
to eat fish. So um, there's a setup there. That's
what photo too looks like. Do your thing, man, give me,
give me the roast of Mike Baldwin. Photo number two.
All right, Uh, dude, sure it says puma, but his
hair says tiger king. These are all more mullet jocks.
Dude looks like Hull Cogan's step brother. Dude was wearing

(52:12):
vipers before vipers were cool. Like everyone else who wears vipers.
Shot at the Vipers Viper wars. You've just been just
scorned right there. Dude looks like he's strung those fish
on the dream catcher he had hanging from his truck's
rear view. Dude looks like a character they cut from
Wet Hot American Summer because he was too unlikable. Mike,

(52:38):
I don't mean any of this, man, I'm just don
Mike sent this in. Don't apologize. This is what happens
on awkward photos. The dream catcher was brilliant. That was
the one that was the one right there, So there
you go. We changed it up a little bit. I
I hope that was a bit more up to snuff
at hunt Fish Sleep to f seven. Um and Mike,

(52:58):
we can't thank you enough for sending these shots. They
are fantastic. I love the vintage stuff. Uh, we can
have a really good time with it. Such a tremendous
ape dre pockey hair whatever else the vandals called it.
And hey, if you have a photo you'd like us
to consider for a roasting, you know where to send
it bent at the meat eater dot com. Okay, I

(53:19):
still feel a little bit bad about it, because you'll
get over that as as we move along here, you'll stop.
He's got to be a good sport he sent him,
you know. Yeah, you know that that was pretty fun. Um,
and I encourage our listeners to start adding their own
roast one liner in the comments on these photos on
the good old Insta Slam. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I

(53:42):
could stand to be a little bit inspired, and I
wouldn't mind a little bit of inspiration from our listeners. Yeah, dude,
those were fun. They were a nice touch. I really
I like I like the one liners and UM encourage
this too. I also encourage you to dig deep in
the archives like Mike did. Because I love a good
vintage vintage. To me, vintage shots are always more fun

(54:03):
so much. Yeah, he had the hair, the puma, even
like the cheap nylon rope stringer, all classics Mike very
much appreciated. And speaking of classics, uh, I believe you're
closing us out today with one yeah, yes, yes, Sarah.
So we've spent some time in the Chile North this week,
So let's hit an end of the line that not
only maintains Mike's vintage vibes, but we'll say, brings back

(54:27):
a little little summer vibe as we head into the
cold season. Well that's not loud enough. I've already sung
my praises for the arbor Gas Jitterbug here on end
of the line, and when I did, I noted that
while the Jitterbug is in many ways forgotten, that walking

(54:50):
waddling wake Baits still has a huge cult following. But
there's another member of the arbor Gas lineup that I
can't quite say the same thing about. While the company
has never stopped producing the Hula Popper, I hear even
fewer people talking about that classic than the Jitterbug, which
is a shame. So I'm going to talk about it.
In case you're unfamiliar with the hula popper, it looks

(55:13):
much more like a frog than a baitfish. It has
sort of an hour glass shape with a fat, wide
middle and a smaller head with a large, gaping mouth. However,
unlike later poppers with deeply scooped mouths, the inside of
a hula's mouth is shallow and flat, which throws water
faster and farther, and gives the lower a slightly higher

(55:33):
pitch than other poppers. Large models have two troubles dangling
from the belly. Smaller models sport one trouble. But what
really makes a hula popper a hula popper is the signature,
thin rubber hula skirt hanging off the back. Arba Gast
introduced the hula popper ine, and it was that rubber
hula skirt that made it so unique. The company patented

(55:55):
the hula skirt in ninety eight, but not for use
on the hula popper. The hula skirt was invented for
Arbor Gast Hawaiian Wiggler, their first public offering that never
really took hold and has been long discontinued, but owner
Fred Arber Gast was the first person to figure out
that a rubber skirt could hide a hook while also

(56:16):
making a bit a bit more weedless, and as we
all know, while the Hawaiian Wiggler didn't last, rubber skirts
have kind of stood the test of time. But the
hula skirt on a hula popper isn't hiding any hooks.
It's there purely to add action, and honestly, the hula
popper is probably one of the least weedless top waters ever,
which I always found kind of funny because the most

(56:36):
iconic coola pattern is frog, which you'd probably want to
throw in some pretty sloppy stuff. I've never used any
frog pattern hulas, nor do I have much interest in
the full size double treble hula. My ringer has always
been the small one and a quarter inch hula in
all black. Between the size, shape and color and that
tail fluttering away, this particular hula model kicks ass because

(56:59):
it looks more like a bug than a bait fish
or frog, yet it's just heavy enough that it can
be delivered very effectively on a light spinning outfit. The
tiny black hula is the conventional angler's equivalent of the
Google bug. Or Mr Wiggly, which smallmouth fly anglers lean
on hard. I first discovered its power as a teenager
while waiting a local Smalley stream, and as I recall it,

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the fishing kind of sucked that day, but it was
one of those hot summer afternoons with dragonflies just kind
of zipping all over the place. I don't even remember
how that tiny black hoola ended up in my tackle kit,
but just as they often do with poper flies, a
smally sipped that thing off the surface before I ever
had a chance to twitch it. I quickly figured out

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that subtlety was the key. Don't over pop a tiny hula,
just let it ride and give it the occasional nudge.
I've done this with tiny houlas and other colors too,
but none of them produced like that jet black, as
I'm sure some of you already know. While that classic
arbigas houla skirt looks cool rate in the water, it
has a tendency to get really dry and crispy if

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it sits too long in a tackle box without getting splashed. Now.
I once read that a tiny schmear a vasoline on
that skirt between uses will prevent this, but like, who
who has time for that? I don't. I just use
that o G skirt that comes with it until it's
dry and brittle, and then just lash a bunch of
silly legs on the back of the tying bise and

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call it good. I mean, it works just as well. Now.
If any of you kids are just too cool to
fish an old timey hula popper, arbor Gasts recently tried
to appeal to you directly with the hula poper to
point out it comes in mod funky colors like black Death,
blue Kill, coach Hog, and white Zombie. Instead of a
rubber hula skirt. There are flashy feathers on that tail,

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and I wanted to like them, I really did, But
I still like my plain black classic mini hoola better,
which by the way, is light enough to cast on
a seven or eight weight fly rod if you're feeling
extra dirty. Ah, Bula poppers are classic, but often like

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kind of kind of viewed as a little bit of
an odd ball. I remember, like I was going to
uh I was going to summer camp when I was
a kid, and I was packing up a little tackle
box and ship, and I had, of course, you know,
you always pre string your rod with like that first
lure that you're gonna throw when you're a kid, you know,
you never you never get there and wait to see
how it is You still do that now? Yeah? Yeah,

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Well I picked a hula popper and my dad looks
at me, goes, what are you trying to start off
with the weirdest thing you could think of? Ah? Yeah,
but come on, that's that's wrong though, I remember. I remember. That's,
to be honest with you, that's when I first started,
uh maybe not thinking that everything my dad said about fishing.

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Was absolutely gonna say, your dad is the problem here,
not the hula popper. Your dad is the one preaching.
He's stopping the children of today throwing the whole of
poppers with that attitude, I highly recommend the hold of popper.
That's why I did a whole end of the line
on it. Anyway, So look that's it for this week.
I gotta say, Canada, it was good figuratively hanging with

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you again. And if you're planning to literally hang out
in Canada, remember a negative rapid anagen COVID test is
not acceptable at the border. You either have to get
the Q tip jammed up your snooter, or you can
keep ice fishing on the same pressured park pond in
your neighborhood down here in the States. I do them
two swabs up my nose and touch my brain to
get up to Canada to ice fish this winner, don't forget.

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Check out episode one of the Canadian Angle on meat
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But so, maybe you stag a carp with your hold
of paper take a little photo for us there. But
so you just have a great old day there. Oh yeah,
thank you, buddy,