Ep. 87: Grande Cheese Curd Nymphs

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
So you've never eaten enough cheese kurds, where like you
can't have a bow movement for days, just like days
on end they say you need all sorts of vice
for bass. But I could give a ratsass about what
people say. This is not the right use of ironically.
It's coincidental. There would be ironic if it were found
at a school for the visually gifted. I don't even

(00:30):
really know how to start this. Um, I'm a little sad.
Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent the Fishing Podcast.
It's about to tell you something you're not gonna love.
I'm Joe SURMELI where's my co host Samack? And I

(00:52):
mean in samac and uh yeah, man, just get it
over with. Yeah, so value degenerates. This is going to
be the second too last Bent episode. Hate to have
to deliver that news, but that's what's up. Tell everybody,
why Joe, Because I am moving to New Zealand to

(01:17):
frolic in the Emerald Hills with Mr Miles Nolte. No,
I'm just kidding, I am. However, do you know I
have him saved in my phone like that? Yeah? You should?
I call him that all the time. I'm just kidding
about a New Zealand no thanks to that. But I am, however,
leaving meat Eater made that call. And it has been

(01:38):
an incredible two years here working with some really amazing people.
And while it's bent truthfully that I will miss the most,
I just I cannot take it with me as I
fire up the sputtering two Stroke and shove off for
the next adventure. So here we are. Well, you know,
here's to hoping that two Stroke turns over on its
first trial. Won't will here will the metaphorical two stroke will?

(02:03):
All good things must come to an end, man? Yeah? Yeah,
But listen, I wanted to. I wanted to give you guys,
you listeners out there heads up today UM, so that
you can you can savor this episode and our next
episode on April fifteenth, which will be our official last.
But I didn't. I didn't want this to be abrupt.
I wanted to kind of ease into it, um. And
we've got something cooked up for our final show next

(02:23):
week that should be a really fun time. And look, truthfully,
I'm treating this like a New Orleans funeral. Okay, it's
a celebration of life, not death, you know, even though
listeners Joe has officially killed my career as a podcast host.
Joe giveth Joe take it away. I'm not don't. Let's listen.

(02:44):
All things are possible. You never know, man, you're gonna
be You're gonna be fine. And I also, look, I
want to give I do have to give a massive
shout out to the crew at thirteen Fishing for their
support of of Bent, Like we could not have made
this show without them. And I was truly honored to
work with a company that that genuinely makes good gear
that I was psyched to use. Um, those guys are great.

(03:06):
They have been great, and uh, I know you're joking around,
but I also did I have to thank you right. Look,
you you stepped in and stepped up as my formidable
Bent co host after Miles left, and and this has
been a blast, It truly has. You've had an entirely
new flavored event. You've brought creativity and some great segments
and uh, I from the bottom of my heart, man,

(03:27):
I'm going to miss this. There's there's absolutely no doubt
about that. Yeah, yeah, me too. Well, thanks man, you know,
it was really fun and I'm proud of the work
that we do. You know, thank you for thank you
for kind of taking a shot in the dark and
having me on the show. It was truthfully like one
of my favorite things. And um, I am going to

(03:49):
uh I'm gonna miss it, and thank you Joe. Yeah, man, man,
for sure, I wouldn't I wouldn't have changed anything, nothing.
And also yeah, thirteen Fishing, you know, thank you so much. Uh,
we really couldn't have done this without you. And you
know when I came on as like you know, the

(04:10):
the co host. Um, you know, one thing drove throughout
the entirety of my tenure is the co host event.
I never felt like a replacement man, whether that was
from like you, whether that was from meat Eater, whether
that was from our sponsors. Um. So you know, to
that end, you know, I've already thanked you, have thanked
meat Eater, But thank you thirteen for like you know,

(04:32):
also just immediately being like down with me from day one. Man.
And I said I said this before, I will say
it again. UM. I mean you shined in the role
as as taking over news um after Miles left and
developed into this you know, I mean, you have the
listeners to thank for you being here. As much as me,
because I heard nothing but positive things and saying, hey,

(04:54):
that's your guy. Um, you know and and uh, I
think I think think we're gonna hear you somewhere again
at some point, you know what I mean, Like you've
done a great job at this but right, tired of
the sadness for a second. You are still coming out
here this spring, and I we have we have plans

(05:15):
to fish together. I mean, you can't get COVID a
second time, right, so I'm assuming this time apparently you can.
Just for the record, I'm assuming this time the plan
will hold um and we'll do a little striper smally,
Shaddon cats combo um, one of those. I'm I'm sure
one of those fish will become your new favorite. I mean,

(05:36):
catfish were my favorite. I've caught some stripers, I've caught
some smally, but you have to catch a shot. So
perhaps there you go, and if it works out how
I'm planning, you'll be able to feed yourself for a
month on the hall. Maybe I'll even give your broken
some new gear while you're out here, right, I will
cast some things you're driving so you could fill up
the shagging wagon. You know what, I mean, that's that's true.

(05:58):
I'm very much looking forward to it. Listeners won't believe this, man,
I mean, but but Joe and I have never actually
met in person. Yeah, I can't actually swear he's a
real human like I don't really Joe is just the
friendly but kind of grumpy man that lives in my computer. Yeah, yeah,
that that is true. Um. Anyway, look, the important thing

(06:21):
right now is that Bent is not done yet. Damn it.
This is not our last show. So with that in mind,
let's let's get back down to what we do best.
Because um, let's just say next week's closer is gonna
be laid out a little different than normal, right, So
we're gonna cut into our covering water segment here, which
we have not done in a while, and that's our
rapid fire Q and A segment. And this is a

(06:41):
fitting one because part of the reason that I wanted
you on the show is because we have so much
background in common. Like we both have musical backgrounds, were
both from the East. Uh, different tastes in music perhaps,
but similar backgrounds. Nonetheless, you know, yes, we've we've actually
got one of the fellas from bon Ivor or bone

(07:01):
Verre oncovering Water today and uh, it's our it's our buddy.
He goes by s Carry that's name of his solo project.
About that you talked about his new album, and uh
and we got like this email that you know, having
had a music career, I immediately recognized as a publicist email,

(07:24):
but like all good publicist emails, it was attention grabbing. Uh,
straight from the jump. I read it and I was like,
you know what, Joe, we ought to have this dude
on and a little bit of a little bit of convincing. Yeah,
partially it was like, dude, like, I'm out of here anyway,
just get whoever you want. Okay, we'll take I'm just kidding.

(07:44):
I'm just kidding, but I I will say this by now.
You guys know, I hope that I'm like the punk metal,
hardcore guy, like that's my deal, That's that's just my jam.
But my wife, who does not like punk metal and
hardcore music, was very impressed. And we have extremely different
tastes in music. So while I was curious to talk
to Sean, her excitement told me that this this may

(08:05):
not be my new head bang Onto the Way to
the River band. I'm going in I can hold it. No,
I'm all right. So joining us for covering water today
is Sean Kerry, whom you may be familiar with through

(08:27):
his work for a little act called Bony There. Sean,
thanks for joining us, man, no problem, Thanks so much
for having me, Sean. Can I can? I ask? Because
I'm certainly aware of the band, although I'm a little
bit more of like a chug a chug a misfits
kind of every time I think, what what does that
name mean? Can you translate that for the listeners? Is

(08:48):
there something behind that? It means good winter? Um? When
justin the main dude came up with the name, he
just didn't know that winter was spelled with an H
in French. Got it? So he yeah, he signed a
letter to his friend, um, good winter and just it

(09:09):
looks looks like bon effort, but it's actually BONI I
was gonna say, does it get obnoxious with people? Just
like saying bon Iver? Like? Is I like, I imagine
you get that? No, I'm him into all the pronunciations. Well, dude,
I was joking with somebody today. I was like, you
know what, I've been screwing that name up for like
ten years and this is like the first time that
it's actually mattered at all. Um. But moving off, how

(09:31):
how did you get how how do you end up
get involved in that project? Oh? Man? I UM. I
actually approached Justin at his first gig as Boni be
um and we sort of knew each other, um from
the music scene, but I was a little bit younger,
and I just I learned like all of his songs

(09:51):
um when they were posted on my Space. If you
can remember that, Wow, I remember my song very well. Yeah,
um and yeah, I just like I was in music
school at the time, so I just took like a
studious approach to learning all of his tunes and he
was kind of blown away by that. And we've been
playing ever since. Very cool, very cool. So you also, um,

(10:13):
you you have a solo project in the words right
as carry tell us a little bit about that. Yeah,
as Carrie started um kind of after the first bony
Very tour. I was so inspired to do my own
thing and um, write my own songs and just kind
of riding that wave. And so I started that project
project and I've been done four full length records, the

(10:37):
fourth ones coming out next month. Awesome, awesome, So okay, listeners.
You you probably know his music on in in one
capacity or another. And while I'd like to sit here
and talk music all day long, what you might not
know is that Sean is also a very dedicated angler
based no Claire, Wisconsin man like outdoorsman musician crossover is

(11:01):
something I relate to, and it's pretty unique and more
common than a lot of folks might think. Right off
the top of my head, I think of our pal, uh,
Dave Ceminett from Trampled by Turtles. Musicians seemed to be
drawn to fly fishing for whatever reason, Like it's a
it's a it's a thing. How do you end up
getting into fly fishing and what draws you to it?
I think a Ted Nugent, by the way, I think

(11:23):
Ted Nugent's a fly fish man. I think Uncle Ted's
pretty much just running and gunning out in Texas. I'm
just saying, how are you gonna talk about musician? How
door has been crossovers without talking about tedw a lot
of musical similarities to Yeah, um, yeah, I mean I
grew up fishing, uh, And then when I moved to

(11:46):
Claire for college, I met this guy named Ben Lester
and we were both percussionists, and he was an avid
fly angler, so we started fishing together and you know,
by the end of that first summer fishing with him,
I completely switched over to uh to fly and it's yeah,
I haven't looked back since. So one thing I'm always

(12:07):
curious about Sean, like when whenever I get to talk
to a touring musician in particular, is your schedule just
too busy to to squeeze any of that in on
the road, Because I always wonder, like you travel in
the country, you have to end up in some places
they would have some pretty damn good fishing, Like is
there is there a sixth weight like stashed on the
tour bus kind of deal. You know, I have fished

(12:27):
on tour before and I need to like make it
more of a priority. But uh, yeah, we're we're talking
about um because there's now there's a few of us
in the crew that that do it. So we're yeah,
we're definitely gonna have a little a little road case
that just goes with us. But yeah, I've been able
to Um, we did we did a house show tour
with s carry. Um. We did three of them. Actually

(12:50):
this was a few back, but we kind of like
planned them around um fishing destinations or you know, we
took like three days off between UM SOLTI in Denver
and just fished our way. Um. Oh, that's a good
strip if you're gonna yeah, if you have right there.
So we did that in a couple of places, and
you know, brought out all our camping and cooking gear

(13:12):
and it didn't feel like tour. It felt like a
fishing trip where we had to play shows at night.
So well, that's a pretty damn good fishing trip, man,
because like all there is normally to do at night
is like drink beer and eat mountain house anyhow, So, Sean,
in this segment, we like to kind of get into
the minds of our guests via some rapid fire Q

(13:34):
and A yeah, it's it's uh. We always like to
say it's like a it's sort of an interview, except
you don't really have any time to think about your
answers to our questions. We're just gonna what we do
is we're just gonna throw two minutes on the clock
and we're just gonna rapid fire some questions at you
and then what we'll do though at the end, we
promise is give you one minute to elaborate on any

(13:55):
of your answers. So the idea is you just just
kind of spit them out and then you can elaborate
on not anyone that as we always say, like whatever
the career ender was, whatever was like ship, I shouldn't
have said that, that's the one you can elaborate on.
I love it sounds like a good deal. Yeah, let's
do it all right. Uh, two minutes on the clock
and begin PR Smallmouth or PR Trout Trout, Gibson flying

(14:23):
v or B C Rich Warlock, flying Dych Brown on
a streamer or an eighteen inch Brookie on a dry
fly Brown on the streamer. Okay, because you're from Wisconsin.
White cheese cards or orange cheese cards. I don't like them.
A career ender, Uh Okay. Money is not a factor

(14:49):
without being able to resell it. Would you rather have
any vintage synth like a Jupiter eight or some ship
or a vintage acoustic guitar maybe like a like a
sixty who gives some dove or something like that. M Okay,
so I know you're a fly guy, but still testing
the limits of that. Would you rather catch a thirty
musk on a fly or a fifty or on a

(15:10):
live sucker on the sticking the fly man, alright, can't
live without it? Fishing accessory? Like what is your like
not not not your rod and your real but like
what is the can't live without it fishing accessory? Sunglasses?
Good one? Okay, alright, first fly rod you ever owned

(15:31):
it was a Reddington three forks. Oh yeah, okay, that's
a good one. Man. Alright, Skinny Love or Enter Sandman,
Skinny bon Jovi or Bond Scott. I don't know who
Bond Scott. Okay, alright, alright, favorite DC right, yes, sir,

(15:59):
all right? Uh, favorite part of everybody likes a CDC
on some level, apparently not that much. Favorite part of tour,
Oh the shows. Okay, that's a good part. Okay. One
place at other part. One place you've always wanted to
fly fish but haven't gotten there yet, Patagonia. Ah, that's

(16:23):
a good one, me too. Least favorite part of tour's
sort of travel. Okay, last one again, because you're from Wisconsin,
Charlie Barons fan or no, yeah, all right, we go
that's it. That is man, So we promised you one
minute to sort of dive a little deeper into any

(16:44):
one of those answers, Sean which an anyone jump out
at you? Do you want to tell us a little
bit more about I mean, the cheese is gonna no no, no,
no no. But I'm not gonna tell you which one
to pick. You can pick anyone you want. Um, you know,
I'd like to hear more about the cheese curds, but
it's it's your time on the floor. Man. I like,

(17:05):
I grew up not liking cheese, but I've I've grown
more more to like it. But um, whatever, I like
them fried, I like whatever cheese curd is. Friend, I
just I don't like them. So you've never never eaten
enough cheese curds, where like you can't have a bow
movement for days, just like days on end, I haven't

(17:27):
had that luxury, and it is a luxury. Okay, alright, alright, alright, man,
thank you so much for for coming on with us.
That was a fun one. Um, so real quick, you're
you're you're coming out with your latest soul album. I
believe it's your fourth, titled break Me Open on jag
Jaguar Uh that will be available April. Tell us a

(17:49):
little bit about it. Where folks will be able to
listen and where they can find you on tour and
on social Yeah. I'm so excited about this record. UM.
It's been years in making and UM we are doing
two tours in the US and at the end of
April we're doing the East Coast and then UM in

(18:10):
July and we head out west. UM hoping to bring
the fly rod for sure. Are you are you? Are
you hitting any days? Hey? Don't I gonna say, don't
exclude it in the East Man. If you need some locations,
you let me know. I'm a I'm a Jersey Philly
gu Yeah. I fished um um in New York and
Jersey and Vermont. I think on the right arm. Are

(18:32):
you are you? Are you making any stops in Philly? Yep?
Where where are you playing? Um? It's full ship, It's
it's I don't remember. Do you remember what the room
cap is? I might. It's likely a bigger venue than
you and I ever played in Philly. Hayden. I think

(18:54):
we can kind of leave it out. No, we know
for scary we played pretty small room. I think it's
part of the World Cafe. Okay and Joe I have
played there multiple times. So all right, So, and where
can folks find you on social man? Um, I'm a

(19:14):
scary picks um on Instagram and uh I'm on Twitter
a little bit, um. But yeah, and then music will
be on all the streaming platforms and yeah, buy a
record if you like that too. Yeah yeah alright man. Well, hey,
thank you so much for coming on. I'm really looking
forward to the album. I wish you all the best

(19:35):
on your tour and uh, all all the fishing excursions
bound to be thrown in there. Um yeah, man, thanks again,
thank you guys, fan of what you do in the
mediator community in general, so thank you. Thanks man. So, yeah, degenerates,
check that out. I think you should check that out. Um.

(19:57):
But like, how are you gonna not know Bond Scott
Like that was a slate, that was a slight red flag.
Look look see man, this is where I disagree with you.
Like you have factions of you know, when we're talking
about classic rocky of like factions, and I sort of
put a C d C in with like Alice Cooper Kiss,
you know, acts like that. I would never consider them
in the same arena as like Cream or Hendrix or

(20:20):
The Doors. Um, and I don't like a C d
C very much, completely honest. You know, I don't care
you don't like Leonard Skinner. I don't like Leonard SKINNERD haven't.
Oh yeah I would. I would put like a CDC
almost in with anyway. Um then again, my classic preferences
are more uh like t Rex Bowie, like I like
that glam shit. Then uh then like I don't know,

(20:41):
Bob Dylan, Velvet Underground, etcetera, etcetera. Um, all this is said,
I think you got like a little too hung up
on the bomb. Well, it was kind of a joke.
I was also going to throw in the question Bono
or Bonzo, but then I didn't. Although I don't know,
Sean seemed like a fun guy, like he was having
a good time. I probably I like that, dude. I
just think it's funny that it's bony there, and like,

(21:03):
you know, everybody who reads just like bon Iver, Like
I said to you, like who we han't on the
bon bon Iver? Is that a guy You're like? No, Well,
I don't know. I forget if it made it to
the actual interview, but I was like, you know, I've
been calling you got like you know, bon Iver, Bony
they like da da da da for like years and
I haven't really ever dedicated myself to learning the correct
pronunciation of it, and like this is the first time

(21:25):
that has ever kind of mattered a little bit. He
was a sport though. He was good. It was and
you guys know I'm not gonna pronouncing stuff. Uh, you know,
he was. He was a good sport and uh it
was a good time. And you know what else would
be a good times that beating your ass one last
time in the final showdown, we call fish news. Fish News.

(21:51):
That escalated quickly. So you know, we've used the front
of News for a year and a half to sort
of be our I don't know, our shout out kind
of that this is our spot to to shout out
listeners and shout out fans, and uh, I think it's
only fitting that that we use this space this time
as a huge thank you directly to all the listeners.

(22:11):
And we have one show left and we're gonna thank
you a whole bunch more than um. But yeah, I mean,
I I sort of I just feel the need to
to just take this this moment right before news to
to just thank you guys so much for listening. To
news because sometimes news is a ship show. Like let's
just be honest, right Like in terms of making the podcast. Okay,

(22:33):
news is important, I get it, and we like to
keep you up to date on things. Um, but yeah,
like it can be a little grindy at times, and
um sometimes we're long winded. Sometimes we say dumb ship
and you're probably thinking, why would you even flag that
as a story because not much was exactly Sometimes things
just aren't happening and fishing. But I also want to

(22:56):
thank everybody, uh, you know for listening and powering through
with uh you know, I mean sometimes why we figured
new ship out man, sometimes why we tested new things,
why we try new things, and uh and always offering
your feedback on either like a follow up to the
news story, a correction to the news store We've heard.
We appreciated that. One of the best parts of this

(23:18):
make no mistake was was incorporating you guys and hearing
from you guys. And we certainly hope, at least I
do that I keep hearing from you no matter what
the future brings. You know what I mean, you guys
know where to reach us on the grams and uh yeah,
and you know, we embraced every correction and every mispronunciation
and tried to give you guys as kids. I don't know,

(23:43):
maybe more so do you, um you know, but yeah,
I'm gonna miss people messaging. We go and come get
your boy. He's over here doing some weird shittya. But yeah,
like you you guys, you guys made bent what it
was and it's it is said that this is the
final news. But also I'm like, man, I don't have

(24:04):
to think of any news next week. Like there's a
little bit of like damn, you know, I'm not gonna lie.
There's a little relief there for sure, But you know what,
we gotta finish where we started. And you started this
whole conservation minutes thing, so we to the to the
last one. We are sticking to it. We're not gonna
We're not gonna scrimp. So before we get into it,
here's my conservation minute, right. The Center for Biological Diversity

(24:26):
filed a legal petition seeking Endangered Species Act protection for
the rough head shiner. This is in Virginia and olive
colored minnow found only in the Upper James River watership. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
you hang one under under bober it's gone, uh yeah.
And there're three inch fish name for the bumps on
their heads, um and they live mainly in the cow

(24:50):
Pasture River and its tributary creeks in Allegheny, Bath, and
Craig Counties. UM. And there's a quote in here from
Tiara Curry, a senior scientist at the Center. She says
the rough head Shiner is an emblem of the quiet
extinction crisis unfolding in our nation's rivers. Endangered Species Act
Protection will bring a recovery plan to pull it back

(25:12):
from the brink. The shiner was first identified as threatened
fifty years ago and was put on a waiting list
for federal protection. The state of Virginia has identified it
as a species of critical concern, but doesn't have the
necessary funding for monitoring or restoration. Final quote here, people
ask why save one little fish when there are so
many other kinds? But it's like march madness, Curry says,

(25:35):
How boring would it be without all of the different teams?
She says, the rough head Shiner is like St. Peter's
finally getting its day in the sun. I thought that
was cute. That is not at all what that's like anyhow,
onto my conservation minute uh per Lake County News dot com.
California Department of Fish and Wildlife Director Charlton H. Bonhom
has assessed entanglement risk under the Risk Assessment Mitigation Program.

(25:59):
Otherwise an in his ramp and announced the closure of
the commercial dungeness crab fishery in fishing zones three, four
or five and six. Uh. God, I knew there was
gonna be something I couldn't pronounce here. Uh that's uh,
Sonoma and Mendocino County line Mendocino you think, Okay, Mendocino

(26:22):
County line to the US Mexico border, effective at noon
on April eighth two. Basically, whales can't avoid this is
not the quote. Uh. Basically whales can't avoid crab pot lines.
So the season is being closed to up less whales.
Uh and we we we actually cover this before when
it came to alternative devices to avoid uh, the rope
the ropeless lobster pots. Right. So I guess the entirety

(26:47):
of the commercial crab lobster fishing industry didn't hear my
story and immediately change their tune. Weird? Well, they should,
they should, They should pipe up it's now We're never
crabbing lobster industry, even though those pots are like hundreds
of thousands of dollars. Anyway, look to the bitter end,
this is a competition. We do not know which story
the other guy is bringing this week. That is the truth.

(27:07):
And I mean this is gonna be one final legendary
way in from Phil though. I think if Phil is available,
I think you're gonna hear some some fresh fill, some
live film maybe in our final show. But this is
the official last news weigh in. I just cannot wait
to see what he cooked up. And it's my lead,
which is fitting. Um, it's last one. It is my lead.

(27:28):
So you know, over the course of Bent, we have
rolled our eyes kind of at fish record stories. Right,
We've done them time to time when appropriate, and as
we've know else, I was gonna say, as we already noted,
sometimes we just couldn't find anything better that week, right,
And I think the Mighty Phil even once famously said

(27:48):
he will not give a win to record stories anymore
because there was a period when man, they were just
like just flying out the mouth. Um, so how fitting
that I close with a record story of sorts. But
it's not about a specific record or fish, but records
in general. And damn it, I'm doing this to ensure
that you walk away from my final news filing with

(28:10):
information that you can use to better yourself on the water.
That is, that is the damn bent seal of approval
as we walk out the door. So this story comes
to us from the story, right exactly, that's fine, that's
fine anyway. So this comes from the Duluth News Tribune,
and it's about data collected by the Lure Love podcast.

(28:35):
And what they've done is compiled the most detailed list
of record setting lures I've ever seen. Now, this, mind you,
is a pretty painstaking process because my understanding, Joe is
trying to line up going to the Lure Love podcast.
That's where you're gonna hear Joe next. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
maybe that's yeah, That's that's where I'm headed, Guys, the

(28:55):
Loure Love podcast. Lure Love, Joe's from Elly. Now, don't
make fun of those guys. Let's into what they did, right,
I'm so not making fun of you. Okay, Well, that's
that's fine. You can do that for forever. Um. So,
this is a painstaking process because, as I understand it.
While the International Game Fish Association keeps the records, the
things that caught each fish are not set up in

(29:17):
a database that can be searched or ranked by bait,
fly or lore, which means whoever runs that podcast did
this ship manually. Here's a quote from the story. The
folks at lore Love podcast looked at nineteen thousand, six
hundred records for one thousand, six hundred forty nine species
of fresh and saltwater fish, including six thousand, seven fourteen

(29:39):
current record holders and twelve thousand, ninety six retired record
fish that once held the record but have since been beaten. Now,
the caveat here is that there are no requirements for
the level of detail, and angler has to provide the
i g f A when he or she submits a catch. So,
as the story notes, some records simply say lure in

(30:01):
the space on the forum for what caught the fish.
So the fellows at lore Love collected all this data,
factored in some of these vague entries, did a little
scratch math, and they came up with a few different lists.
One was records per lure style, the other was by
specific lure brand. So we're gonna add just for sheets,

(30:21):
a little touch of trivia here and fishing caught all
of that. Can you guess which lure style has claimed
the most world record fish? Folks at home, take a
second to think about your answer. This is just a style,
not a specific lord, just a a category of lure.

(30:43):
Am I supposed to guess? Now? Yes, stick bates incorrect.
The correct answer is jig now of course, uh. Since
jig was such a common answer, it's almost impossible to
break jigs out into further categories. But to me, I
don't really believe that matters all that much, because in
my mind, it's just proof that the action of a

(31:04):
jig is hard to beat, and it doesn't really matter
what kind of jig we're talking about. A hair jig, right,
is pretty much doing the same thing in the water
for walleyes as a bucktail jig is doing for stripers,
as a flair hawk is doing for snook as a
jig and pig is doing for bass. It's the same
basic action in the same basic designs. So per the
findings these guys findings, jigs of some sort a jig

(31:29):
has claimed one thousand, one five world record fish. So
next question any guests at the second most record catching
lore style spoon. That is correct, spoon spoon is the
number two. But here's what's fascinating. Jigs caught one thousand,

(31:52):
one five world record fish. Take a swing at the
total number of record fish. The number two spoon has
caught two seven very close two hundred and eleven, so
that that is a staggering difference right between the number
one and number two slots for the most world record

(32:12):
catching this lure um. The number three spot is held
by plastic Worms slash grubs with one world records, followed
by Plugs in the number four spot with a hundred
and seventy seven world records. Now, as I mentioned, the
lure Love team also took the liberty God bless him
of breaking down the count by brand, and the number

(32:34):
one slot by brand should be no surprise. But let's
see how good you are. Which lower brand holds more
world records than any other Hashimoto concepts? Uh uh no,
The answer is Rapela with a total of four nine
world records. And it's it's I said before that Plugs

(32:56):
only caught one and seventy seven world records. But Plugs
before because I did say that before absolutely I absolutely did,
followed by plugs in the number four spot with a
hundred and seventy seven world records, but plugs in the
other category and the other bracket did not encompass crank baits,

(33:17):
top orders and jerk baits. They were all ranked separately,
So those four nine records for Rappola are across all categories.
Rappla plays in not just the original rapple of floater.
UH number two brand any guesses? God, you're such a
nerd man. I'm done with this, um number two brand?
Um No, I don't have a guess. MAPS takes the

(33:42):
number two spot with world records, but interestingly, inline spinners
account for only one world records total, So if nine
of them belong to MAPS, good for you, MEPs, way
to slack off their Panther Martin where you at. Panther
has only ever claimed seventeen world records total. Um how
many of the Swiss wing I E I'd have to

(34:02):
go back to the listening hold on a second, how
many in line spinner records were there? So, according to
their findings, there are one hundred and ten world record
fish that have been caught on inline spinners, and then
according to their brand findings. Of those ten were on
maps spinners and how many were on the other one,
Panther Martin It well, it says seventeen. But keep in

(34:25):
mind they don't just make inline spinners. That could be
a Panther Martin vivif or you know some of the
soft plastic stuff they make, so it's it's not necessarily
broken down that way. Welcome to gotcha journalism, folks. Yeah, um,
now I found this fascinating. The number three spot goes
to yo Zuri, which is fascinating because compared to other

(34:47):
brands on that list, it really hasn't been around all
that long, so that says something about yo Zuri. Um,
it far out ranks brands like Cordell, Rebel and Rooster Tail.
So that's it. And props to the lower Love podcast
is for doing all that painstaking work so somebody else
like me or Hayden didn't have to. Um and as
you are, you brought up thirteen. I'm going to make
it my personal mission to get a thirteen more ranked

(35:09):
world record rock bass on a poppy pop face tune
in this summer. Watch it happen live, Well, Joe, what
a what a wonderful. Uh you know, I did this
kind of the same thing that Shark Trivia, the Hayden
Shark a Shark Attack Trivia Challenge quiz show, Hayden's Jaws

(35:30):
Pop Quiz Retribution Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge Quiz Show.
So your poem I didn't keep RELI yeah. Yeah. As

(35:57):
soon as that was done, I was like, it's time
for me to leave. No, I'm just kidding. Please enter
your password. You have one unheard message, Joe, Joe, well
even be here like one of those sad dogs and
Sarah McLaughlin commercial. Man, come on, all right, Well, I

(36:19):
hope everything turns out good for you, Joe and you
get to do all the things in your fishy future. Man,
it was a lot of fun. Um. Also you for abandoning,
all right by Joe. End of message delete press seven
save deleted. Okay, So, for a final time this weekend

(36:46):
fish News, I actually did a real story. We're covering something,
thank you. Um, we're covering something super heavy and catastrophe. Unfortunately,
uh not just kidding. We're gonna end it on a
pretty neutral note. Here with the story courtesy of shoal
in the Guardian and that's uh, that's two publications, SHOAL

(37:09):
and The Guardian. Uh not a maritime themed in the
rock band anyway. Uh. SHOAL has just released there are
one guide of newly discovered species. The document details of
discovery of two and twelve species of freshwater fish, with
notable entries given some extra love upfront. Basically, it's a
guide to eight or ten fish that are cool slash
do cool ship and then a list of a bunch

(37:31):
of other less cool fish. Um. We we've actually talked
about this right by the way ahead. We've actually talked
about the SHOAL organization before. When when I highlighted the
discovery of a fish I could have pronounced in an
area I also couldn't pronounced. I think it was somewhere
in Turkey and I forget. I just remember that Miles

(37:53):
called me and gave me a bunch of ship over.
Oh yeah, because you couldn't pronounce the Turkish president's name.
Yeah whatever, still can't. SHOAL is an organization whose mission
it is to discover, rediscover and document fresh water fish
is As far as I know, they're the single largest
organization highlighting the important but often overlook conservation issues surrounding
those fresh water fish. So I got the story from

(38:14):
the Guardian. But rather than explicating the article, let's just
dive into what you guys really want to hear about
the cool fish at the top of the list. Let's
start with this banger, the wolverine pleco. Love it. I
just love the word pleco. Pleco is good. I've had
some plecos and some tanks. Yeah, yeah, well there you go.
So uh. Pleaco is an armored catfish, a popular aquarium fish,

(38:35):
and in many cases, an extremely invasive species. In fact,
I'm pretty sure you you did a store on them
in Texas. Texas. They're overrun with what they're around with
them some bitches down there. You need some platos. Don't
go to pet Smart, go to Texas well. Enter the
wolverine pleco. Now, Joe, what is the primary defense mechanism
of a catfish, aside from being slippery and breaking leaders

(38:57):
right at the boat, all kinds of sharp, pointy spines
and junk. Indeed, the spines. Like many other species of catfish,
the wolverine pleco has spines, but unlike many species of catfish,
the arm replecco has these kind of like spiny arm
projections right by its guilt plates, and it's actually able
to thrust those at predators and I guess presumably pray

(39:19):
maybe maximal thrust. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't say that in
the report, but it sounds cool. Uh sorry science anyway. Uh,
that's where it gets its name after the X Men character,
because of its ability to thrust its spines up its
little fish arms. It should also be noted that these
things up researchers so much that they included this quote
we all had our fingers injured or bleeding by the

(39:41):
violence of them trying to pinch us with their big
lateral hooks on the head in the official report. Did
you just make a salad fingers reference? No, no, I
said my fingers hurt, which is uh from everybody knows
where that's from. It from Billy Madison. No, it's it's
not from Happy Gilmore to Gilmore. That's why I don't
deserve to be here, because I just confused Happy Gilmore

(40:04):
and Billy Madison. I'm I apologize so much, among other things. Anyway,
So there was another notable find, and it came from India.
The Mumbai blind Eel a red eyelis demon snake fish.
While that in itself is kind of cool, the real
coincidence is where they found it. For the report, the
eel was found quote somewhat ironically for a blind fish,

(40:25):
a forty ft well on the premises of a school
for the blind. Okay, And I'd like to point out
that this is not the right use of ironically. It's coincidental.
It would be ironic if it were found at a
school for the visually gifted. That's terrific. There's a T
shirt wrapped up in there somewhere anyway. Yeah. So, so

(40:45):
finally we have a new species of trout found in
Turkey Salmo bliki. Uh. First off, anytime there's like a
new trout discovered, I get a little bit excited because one,
I like the fishery trout and of the time they're
like beautiful fish. This one looks like something halfway between,
like a a bowl in brown trout with like dime
sized orange spots, Like have you ever seen like somebody

(41:07):
post a picture of a brown with like those crazy
big like ten twenty scale like orange like you know, yeah,
just yeah. It sounds like somebody is already there filming
it for the fly Fishing film tours, so we'll see
it next season. Yeah. Well that said, Um, this very
pretty fish is in a serious peril because by the

(41:29):
time researchers discovered it and recognized it as a separate species,
it already become the victim of ghost fishing. Ghost fishing,
which sounds like what you'd call texting a potential love
interest a picture of someone else and then ignoring them
forever once they respond. Uh. As far as I could tell,
it's just a weird way of saying poaching. Um. Although
there are strict rules in place to protect trout in

(41:50):
this region, they're often flat out ignored, and the ruralness
of the areas in which they're found make regulations basically unenforceable. Anyway. Um,
that is that's my wrap on fish News. Buddy, Well,
best of luck to the Salmo Biliki. I think they're
having the same problems as the timing that everybody loves.
They're out there so remotely that you just can't police

(42:15):
near we are we are we ending fish News with
Joe mispronouncing something. Is it Tayman or tim In? I
think Floyd outside of the podcast studio I ask him
that was That was a very fun ending to Fish News.
That was a good time, and we like to keep

(42:37):
the good times rolling here. So this is it. I've
spent a year and a half trying to figure out
what the hell Phil wants? Phil? What do you want?
What was the actual secret to winning? Can you let
us know? What do you want? Phil? What did you
want from us? This whole time? I just can't handle
the pressure, happy man. So we're gonna We're gonna hear
from old Phil one more time and then UM, because

(42:59):
because I think we all needed and because it's calming
and soothing, We've got one more sage Lee Wisdom with
the very real river Horse lined up, UM and I
I think it is a perfect closer from river Horse,
and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as
I did Chester Tayman or Timon. I don't even really

(43:24):
know how to start this. Um. I'm a little sad,
to be honest, and I'm sure everyone listening is to Uh.
When I came into this recording that I'm doing right now,
I thought, Okay, it's the last fish News. How do
I tap myself? Do I kill myself again but actually
stay dead? Do I tell another story about a cracking?

(43:45):
But this time, make it twenty minutes long instead of
just ten like last time. I don't know, but I thought, no, no, no,
I'm not gonna do any of that, No pomp and circumstance,
nothing special. This is about you, Joe and Hayden, not me.
So I'm going to answer your quest. And Joe, what
did I want? What was I looking for during all
of these fish news segments? What did I want? Well,

(44:08):
it's easy. I want you to want me. I've all

(44:34):
you to walthy, ivy you me me lovey, I beg
you to beg me. Shut up your brown shoes, put
on the Brandon shirt, get holder from work. Did you

(44:58):
say baginal fynn? See crying? Oh? Dinna see crying? Feel
a long French? Know you feel like trying? Oh? Do
you not? Did not? Did not see you crying down?

(45:23):
Thanks Joe and Hayden, we're all winners today. Whatsout? Hey? Now,

(45:50):
this is a river horse coming to you from the
Deep South with some sagely wisdom. Today's story is all
about getting on a roll in this short, bleating, fragile,
and ever beautiful life. There will be some obligatory tides
the good times All Hetty and sublime, the tough times,

(46:12):
the belly ups, the dust ups that may leave you
on the flat of your back, and sometimes even the
first place take the trophy finishes far ahead of the
pretenders and all points in between. This is all par
for the course and how we learn to appreciate the
smallest moments for the sweet bounty they are. Life asks

(46:36):
us to roll up our sleeves and go full bore,
sleep in the dirt, and pay our dues to get
to the magical moments out in wilderness, especially with fishing.
This story is about unleashing it at a little city
park pond, absolutely laying it down baby, opening up a

(46:57):
supreme can of war bass with the quickly chosen fly.
And it's called L Grande, l Grande. I've gone cross.
I've been riding for three days straight on deadline for
a fourteen pager about Merle Haggard's former guitarist. The masses

(47:19):
in Houston are no doubt going ape ship everywhere. For
today is the beginning of a long, sunny spring weekend,
so I make it a point to avoid places that
aren't far off the grid on the weekends. This afternoon
found me in the throes of wanton lust for bass.
Just one fish and I could start to put things

(47:42):
together again. From golf courses to ranches, country clubs, lakes,
rivers behind mcmansion's and city park ponds. They are endless,
corpulent Texas bass. Within minutes, with just a couple hours
to go until dark, I hit the closest run from

(48:03):
the Bungalows front door and as expected, have to park
the truck on the grass since it was packed to
the rafters. I don't bring much to easy local runs
like these. A little seven ft three way with the
sixteen pound leader and a handful of my favorite fly
in the world, the Umpqua diving frog. Most of us

(48:27):
all have a go to fly. This is mine. They
say you need all sorts of flies for bass, but
I could give a rats ass about what people say.
I'd rather probe top water and the weedy shallows and coves,
then go subsurface, no matter what fish I might miss
out on. Anything else is dredging to me. I'll admit it.

(48:51):
I get off watching that little green frogs bit, hump
and growl all the way home if the bite is
on all fish. If not, fine, I'll hang on the
banks and have a sandwich of beer and a nap.
This city park is small. It doesn't take more than
thirty minutes to work your way around it. I wedge

(49:13):
in between the hordes of good old boys with bobbers
and with only a couple of seconds. Damn if that
frog pupper doesn't deliver the goods. I can attest that
my fishing abilities are not really anything special. I put
in my time, But some days there's been plenty of
brutal skunks, schoolings and tails between the legs all the

(49:35):
way home drives. Not to day, I stopped six times
and six sweetheart baths and nail the frog and go
hay wire while the piste off glares come from all sides.
There hadn't been any fish cut all day until now
when I showed up, and then six in a row.

(49:59):
I'm on the final stretch of water, a fifty foot
cluster of reads, cattails and lily pads, without much room
for a badcast. I lean up for one mast, go round,
and that's the swim frog lands. It goes down in
an implosive swirl on a three weight. You know, pretty

(50:19):
damn quick when things are serious. Unable to high stick
this one. The rod submerges a foot under the water,
and I just let him burrow and run. A giant
crowd gathers behind me while all the other fishermen just
stare with brownie faces. I finally dragged the enormous, fatass

(50:41):
bass to the bank, and I hear screams, shouts, howls,
and cheers from the rabbit gallery. El Grande, El Grande,
El Grande, Oh yes she is. Let's agree that fishing
it is not always about fishing, and it's often brutally humbling.

(51:02):
Some days you get the chicken, other days just the feathers.
But for those who say fishing is not about catching fish,
oh bullshit. I hold El Grande a law for all
to sea. Feeling like I just shot the moon. The
throngs of kids are jumping up and down, hooting and

(51:22):
pumping fists into the sky. Cell Phone cameras chirp away.
I see the expectant characters with obscene cooking forks and hands,
and drool forming on their lips. As the smoke from
all the barbecue grills and the park gently loats into
the skies, El Grande is released with redemption on his lips.

(51:47):
The entire park goes utterably silent. And that's our sagely
wisdom for this time, my brothers and sisters. And remember
never be afraid to let them go on to be
cut another day. If your table is already full of
goodness and your freezer, you'll reap the bounty and the

(52:10):
days ahead you just watch. Now, get out there and
find your own groove. I will see you along the path.
So I couldn't think of a more fitting final stage
lee wisdom. I swear I did not have river Horse

(52:32):
penn that around my departure. In fact, I didn't even
ask the guy for a new stage Lely wisdom like
the Venemo payment. No no, no, no, there's no dude.
Literally like this is how river Horse operates. I'll be
I'll be like falling asleep at midnight and all of
a sudden, it's just like my my phone lights up
and there's like ten new audio files from river Horse's
has to like cup your night a little bit. Man,

(52:55):
you're dripping off so peacefully and now it's like four
am and you're staring at the ceiling. Well, but he
seems like one of those guys where it's like when
inspiration hits, he's going right now like you're gonna hear
his words right now. But I listen to that one
when he said it, and I said, man, this just
works so much of what he said they're resonated with me,
particularly putting them back. If you're played is full. And

(53:17):
I hope I actually get to spend some time with
that guy someday. I would really love that. Did you
ever tell him about that note we got from that
one listener that said his voice makes his girlfriend to
act and he's not sure if he likes it. I did.
I did tell him that one fight for the last time.
What just as a reminder, River horses very real. People

(53:37):
have been speculating that he's a made up character and
he is not. You need to follow him on the
gram and read his writing because he is one of
a kind. Anyway, Uh, you know, here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna close out this week's show with the o
G closer, the original closer, that being end of the line.
We're gonna skip the bent helpline here, but stick around
because we're gonna do a night fishing. Um. But this

(53:59):
was always one of my favorite segments to put together.
I've always loved the end of the line. But I'm
actually gonna let Hayden give us one final end of
the line entry here because um, while I may have
had more end of the lines over the last year
and a half, some of yours have been my favorites.
So let's find out which fly you cannot live without. Well,

(54:23):
that's not loud enough. Spring is finally starting to make
its way out west, and that's great because I'm just
about over fishing through through two ft of ice. In
the observation of a particularly beautiful afternoon, I recently decided
to get out and make a quick afterwork hit on
one of my favorite little streams just north of town.

(54:45):
I got to the water and I looked in my box.
I pretended to consider this fly and that fly, but
I knew what I'd end up tying on. And it's
a fly I've talked about here on the podcast often,
that faithful fishy size twelve tongue heads CDC soft tackle
pheasant tail nymph with the orange hotspot. It's been my
go to for years and I think it always will be.

(55:05):
Pheasant tails are my favorite nymphs period. You can keep
your Waltz worms, your Paradagon's your hair's here. I don't
know what it is about them, but man, those things
just fish. And sure my version of it is far
from classic. I mean, it's tied on a jig hook,
but the classic tie works beautifully as well. But what

(55:26):
is the classic tie when we're talking about a pheasant
tail nymph? To answer that, we need to go all
the way back to the invention of the pheasant tail
and its inventor. Frank Sawyer was a was first river
keeper on the Avon at Lake in Wiltshire, managing six
miles of river right by modern day Stingshouse. I know

(55:46):
that's not really relevant to the story, but I think
it's funny that Sting owns that place now and I
had to work that in there anyhow. Sawyer worked there
for about three years until moving on to the Officers
Fishing Association, which is now known as the Serve His
Dry Fly Fishing Association. The s d f f A
is a fishing club along the River Avon, and it's

(56:07):
open exclusively to active duty and retired military as well
as a very few number of civilians. Sawyer worked there
until his death. As a river keeper at the Services
Dry Fly Fishing Association UH Sawyer spent his life on
the water and eventually became known for not only his stewardship,
but for his his sunken nymph fly patterns as well.

(56:28):
In he developed his most enduring of those patterns, the
pheasant tail nymph. The pheasant tail is considered one of
the oldest modern nymph patterns that we use today. The
original tying of the pheasant tail nymph is unique by
today's standards for one main reason. It did not include
the use of thread. In fact, the original pheasant tail
only included fibers from the tail of a cock pheasant

(56:50):
and copper wire. After tying the pheasant tail, fibers in
the wire and fibers would be twisted together before being
wound around the hook shank to form the body of
the nymph. Tying in this way achieved two things. It
created a durable body and a certain amount of flash
where the wire would peek out in between the fibers. Today,
we mostly fish a variant of the original pattern, the

(57:11):
most basic of which is only a small departure from
Sawyers with the inclusion of a peacock hurl. Thorax I
like to fish a variant with soft tackle and a beadhead.
There are endless ways to modify the pattern, and no
matter where you go, you're likely to find some local
variant that, for one reason or another, seems to outfish
all others. One thing I know is that Sawyer's inspired

(57:32):
pattern will forever be my go to, And no matter
where I'm fishing, when it comes to trout, You're more
likely than not to see a pheasant tail nymph on
the end of my line. So that's it for this week, degenerates.
We've got one week of bent left and we're gonna
close out doing a little reminiscing having some laughs. So

(57:53):
join us. However, I regret to inform you, God that
we we no longer need you to keep sending those
awkward moments sale items. Barner. We need you, but we
don't need the We don't need, we don't need the
you stick around, keep your emails to yourselves. Uh, you
can stop sending all that, John to Ben at the
mediator dot com. So um, yeah, and uh, and how

(58:15):
about a little uh. We've talked about the hashtags, Joe, Yeah,
what about a little note on the hashta Here's what
I'm gonna say about the hashtags, right, Uh, bent or not,
You'll always be degenerate anglers, so will I, so will Hayden.
So I vow to keep monitoring the degenerate angler hashtag
on the Graham. You know I'm a people person, um.
I love shooting the ship with you guys on social.

(58:38):
Unlike Miles, who disappeared on social when he left, I
shall not because I know how to set up a
goddamn Instagram account properly. So yeah, and I'm trying to
be an influencer, so I'll be there too. I'm just kidding,
but you know, I'm one thing that we might look
forward to on social. Joe Is, I might even start

(58:58):
tie along Tuesday's back. You should, I talk? You should?
You should keep doing tie along Tuesday's hell. I might
even join you now and again. Anyway, I can't tell
you guys how much fun it has been making this show.
And while every week has been a blast, some bits
just stood out more than others. That's a hint for
next week. Yes, we're gonna go full on mystery science

(59:21):
theater Ben style. I might even drink a red beer
while we're doing you know, I gotta say so night

(01:00:07):
fishing was your idea and I liked it, and I
am I am sorry that we are not going to
continue that on because I do love a good secret track. Um,
but full disclosure. Like throughout this you have been a
little like I'll just let it, just let it go.
Answer as many questions as we want. I'm always the
guy like, no, there is their schedule, there is time,
there is we have to be finished by only four

(01:00:29):
pick four and today. To be honest with you, man,
like we're just you have there. I am looking at
a lot of questions here and I will we can
answer them all. I give zero ships right now. We
can make this a whole another two hour podcast for
all I care. All right, well let's try. Alright, so folks,
well see where we go. Just go with the flow. Okay,
So folks, welcome to Night Fishing. Um. This is the

(01:00:51):
thing that we did once and now we'll have done twice.
Um we're second times. It's charm. Yeah, we're gonna answer
some of your most most pertinent questions. And because this
is the last ever installment of Night Fishing, I figured, uh,
you know, hell, we'll we'll see how many we can

(01:01:11):
get to. So there is no time on the clock.
We're just gonna kind of rip through as many as
we can and then uh yeah, I'll be it. So Joe,
we're gonna start with this one. This comes from and
all these resources on Instagram. This comes from Wally eight
nine one. If you had one fish to fish for
for the rest of your life besides snakeheads and bourbon,

(01:01:34):
which is I assume referencing our personal inclinations, what would
that fish be. Mine would be bourbon. Mine would be snakeheads.
There you go, Wally, na, Uh, that's come up with
me before you know. There is no one there. There's
not like I can whittle it down to fresh and salt.
I guess it would be striped bass and wild browns.
Those are my two. Like if I if I really

(01:01:56):
had to pick two stripers and wild browns for me, Ali, Yeah,
I mean like okay, so from like the sporting aspect
and like where they take me, I would have to
go for just like trout, you know, maybe even cut throats,
just because I think they're cool and they live in
beautiful places and I don't know, there's like a certain

(01:02:17):
like poetic element to uh to trout fishing. If I
were to go for like something that I really want
to eat a lot um you know, probably like tuna,
something like that, some some good, some like sashimi. Well yeah,
I mean I could. I could answer that question, like,
if I had to pick one, it would be tuna.
But I ain't got that kind of money, Wally, Tuna
is expensive, you know what I mean? Was a financial

(01:02:37):
constraint on it? All right? So well then I just
pop tuna like endless summer all, you know, all summer
long in the Northeast, and then I'd go to Australia.
So that's when I would go there. You go, all right,
So Joe, if the format of these, I'm just gonna
keep pitching them to you. You lead off off all
you Uh. This one comes from Derek the fancy caveman
who asks been to Manitoba? Are you hunting the spring

(01:02:58):
any bear plans? No, No, and no I've not been
to Manitoba. I'd like to. I'd like to go to
bc BC people you have been riding me on that
I have. I have never found my way to British Columbia.
I've done Saskatchewan way up north and it was one
of the coolest, top five coolest trips I've ever been on.
In my life. That was a pike trip. Am I

(01:03:20):
hunting the spring? No? Any bear plans, no, believe it
or not. There was a time, boys and girls when
I did both hunt and fish. Um, and then eventually
I was like, I'm just the fish guy, So no
none for me. Alright. Well, UM, my answers are no,
yes and uh and yes. Um. I've never been to Manitoba.
I am definitely hunting this spring. Um. You know, for

(01:03:41):
all the fishing that I do, I do about an
equivalent amount of hunting. Um. And then any bear plans,
you bet man. Um, I'm gonna be hunting bears in Montana.
And then I have a pretty cool mule der tag.
And in part of scouting mule deer for next season,
I'm gonna shoot down to Idaho where I picked up
a bear or tag as well, so you know, we'll
see what happens. I'm only going to shoot one bear.

(01:04:03):
I think you know. I know I'm only gonna shoot
one bear. Um, just because you don't need to shoot
two bears in a season. But um, but yeah, so
those are those are my bear plans. Next question, fih
Daddy four oh one asks, Yeah, he's he's he's a
he makes a bunch of molded baits. I don't know
if you found that dude on Instagram, but yeah, well now, yeah,

(01:04:26):
I've watched some of his live live ties, live pores.
I guess. Um he asks least favorite species to catch
walleyes and the my last opportunities. This is like my
last opportunity on Ben to take a dump on walleyes,
and I will continue to do it. Mad. Respect for

(01:04:46):
the people who are good at catching them, I get it,
but as a fish to target, they suck. I'm sorry
while I suck. Yeah, my least favorite is rock bass.
I always get bummed. Really how he's mad at rock
bass like an American treasure. Well, a couple of reasons.
Number One, I'm always fishing for something else when I

(01:05:08):
catch them. Number Two, I've never eaten one, so, like,
you know, maybe they're amazing like table fair, but like
it's just not something I've experienced. It's funny you bring
that up. No, well, I don't know. I've never eaten
them either, But um man, this has come up. I've
written about it in years past, Like when I was
a kid, there were rock bass everywhere around here, every stream,

(01:05:29):
like they were, dude, they're getting harder and harder to
find in the Northeast, and there's something to that that
nobody can quite figure out, but many people have agreed, like, yeah, shure,
we don't catch rock bass the way we used to.
I do still have a couple of spots. Would it
surprise me if like the stocking of other game fish
is kind of like pushing maybe, but you brought up,
you brought up eating him. I was fishing in West

(01:05:49):
Virginia years ago in the New River, and man, you
catch some stud rock bass between the Smalley's there and
those West Virginia boys. I mean, you know, dude, they'll
they'll they'll fry up anything down there, but they're not
a huge fan. They it's they say it tastes okay,
but it's a very kind of soft, mushy meat. So great.
It's always kind of like the inkling that I got
when it when it came to your rock bass. And

(01:06:10):
also like I'm kind of like scarred because like any
time my dad would be bass fishing and called a
rock bass, which is often or I called a rock bass,
which was often he go rock bass. I like your dad,
that's yeah, And so and so like I just kind
of have that forever like etched. Um, I'm gonna start.
You can tell your dad, I'm gonna start using that

(01:06:31):
every time I catch one. Okay, So Grant Burger would
working asks if you could write your own travel slash
fish species specific book, what would it be? Mine would
be I'd title it the Complete Guide to Serve Casting.
It's actually a book that already exists. You can look

(01:06:51):
it up Grant on Amazon and purchase yourself a copy,
do a brother of favor. Otherwise, I can't disclose any
of that because I can't. I can't, couldn't. I I'm
not spitting out future book ideas, though I do have some. Yeah, um,
if I could write, I would uh what you can know? Um? Yeah,
I don't know what that would be, man, Like you know,

(01:07:12):
part of me wants to do a see. It's kind
of conflicting because a lot of the stuff that I'm
passionate about is rooted in like a semi esoteric knowledge.
And I talk a lot about blue lining brook Trout
and so like a blue line guide and like maybe

(01:07:33):
a some thoughts on blue lining and the sort of
places that it takes. You would be something that I'd
be interested in writing about. But but I don't want
everyone to go and start doing that just because like
those little streams can take like you know, barely any pressure.
And the reality is is like if you particularly out

(01:07:54):
east man, if you start talking about like even vague
terms like drainages, you know, you can pretty much be like, Okay,
he's talking about one of fifteen tributaries. But in my opinion,
that's a writable book without getting too specific. I mean
if I if I, if I were forced to write that,
baby man, but like I wouldn't like straight tactics and

(01:08:15):
and sort of what to look for without being very specific. Yeah,
but that's kind of like the beauty about blue lining. Man.
It's like it's very like while we're waxing anyhow. Um.
One of the things that I like about blue lining
is that it's a really good way to learn how
to read water and understand fish because it's so a
b like, you know, there aren't a lot of like

(01:08:36):
questions left on the table. If a fish doesn't take
the fly that you present to it in a blue line, um,
you know, either you're just like not fishing the right
technique for that period of time, or your cast and
drift were bad most of the time. If you put
on an elk care cat is any time from March

(01:08:57):
to uh, you know, November. And I mean I I
wouldn't suggest fishing through October, by the way, because that's
when the brook trouter spawning. But if you if you
were to do that, um, you would get hit as
long as your drift was right and your cast was good. Um.
So that's what I really like about blue lining is
actually like the kind of tactical deficiency and more of

(01:09:20):
just like the feedback on your skill. Yeah, and you're right,
you're now what you're talking about, because I just think
it's easy as shit, Like it's just easy fishing. It's
easy fishing. So like I love wild brook trot as
much as the next guy. But whereas I know you're
the guy that will follow that stream up for miles,

(01:09:40):
I'll do the first quarter mile and like catch a
whole bunch and then I'm like, all right, now where
do we now? What do we do? Like I can't
doesn't hold my interest all day, right, and again, like
I think that it is easy fishing. But and if
you're a beginner listening to this, Um, I would check
out Blue Lining. Um. Number one, you're gonna find a

(01:10:02):
lot of opportunities that you didn't know were there. Number two,
you're gonna be surrounded by a lot of that kind
of water that that you kind of think of when
you think about fly fishing for trout. And then number three,
it really is a good way to learn how to
read the water and you know identify like, oh, that
was a good drift, and I can tell because I

(01:10:23):
got hit and that was a bad drift because I'm
reading the water. I know there's a bucket right there,
and I know that there's a trout in it. And
if it didn't hit, it's because like something was wrong
with my drift. I got some weird drag or something.
But anyway, that's the book that I would write. Well,
if I were to write a book, Listen, people are
so desperate to get out and away from people right now.
If you draft a really good Blue Line, Brooke would

(01:10:43):
probably sell. Because that's another thing I've learned, like your
first book is often your passion project, and after do
you see how much time goes into that passion You're
like the next one's got to make money or I'm
not doing it, so maybe we'll do this question anyhow.
This one comes from d h A. Lab Dan, who
actually started the comment thread that ended up getting me

(01:11:04):
hired here. Yeah, he says our family friendly fishing boats,
and I believe like by that he means like ski
fish hybrids like the Yamaha f S H two ten
actually fishy um M. I'll lead off with this one.
I grew up learning how to fish on on one

(01:11:25):
of these boats. It's like a stratus. I think it
had like somewhere in between the live wells. We could
throw up a ski pylon and the problem was, though
it's like it's still had a lot of bass boat
behind it, so you wouldn't even notice. But you'd be going, Um,
you'd like have your buddy Jack on the tube behind you,

(01:11:46):
and your your dad would be like bumping up that
motor to the point that next thing you know, you're
going fifty miles an hour. Jack's hanging on for dear life.
You hit a bump, Jack gets launched, the inner tube
thing gets caught under his nose, rips of gash across
his face, and now you're at the hospital. Um that
actually talking about right now? How is this answering the

(01:12:07):
man's question. Uh, Dan, the family friendly? What this this
question doesn't make a lot of sense. I could did
a quick search on the Yamaha f Ace whatever to ten.
It's just a little center console, that's all. It's just
a little it's just a little center console. So I'm
not talking about I thought he was talking about one
of those like, um, they're advertised like ski sport hybrids.

(01:12:30):
Uh No, I googled it and it's it's it's just
a little Yamaha twenty one ft center console. So I
don't quite understand by fishy, Like, dude, you can fish
on an inner tube if you know how to fish.
I mean, I don't see. I don't know if it's
a good boat or anything. But it's just it's just
a little just a little center console, so I would say, yes,

(01:12:51):
it's probably fishy. Wait hold on, Joe, hold on, I'm
not even gonna have this be edited out. I'm just
gonna send you this thing that i'm looking at right here.
Here is what I learned how to fish on. Did
you get it, Joe? I did? Yeah, But I mean
that's technically like a that's a that's actually a fishing boat.

(01:13:12):
That's not. Yeah, well I'll tell you what, see jo.
This is where like I for once and more experienced
than you, and this it is a ski boat because
it had this like stupid little pylon that you had
these like rivets by the live wells and you'd screw
a ski pylon into where you're It's called the ski fish,
which means it does both things. Yeah, you know, I

(01:13:33):
got you. I got you. Um but anyhow, um okay
to answer your question, bro, Yeah, you can fish from
they're they're fine fish from anything that floats, Dude, if
it floats, you can fish from it. Yeah. And uh,
if you're looking to do like ski activities, towing, tubing
things like that, heed my tubing warning. And if you
get into wakeboarding later, man, they don't throw a particularly

(01:13:55):
good weake, so like you're not gonna be able to
jump a whole bunch, you're gonna look like a dork.
Um any out. Jared Curland Jared dot Curland asks what's
the best way to get involved with guiding? Take a
whole bunch of people who don't want to listen to
you fishing and see how you feel at the end

(01:14:16):
of the day before you decide that and don't charge
them because that's illegal. It's a tough one, man. I
would just say it depends on where you live. Like
if you're lucky enough to live in in in high
tourist destinations like Montana that have a lot of shops.
I mean, you link up with a shop or an
outfit there. Maybe you start by just sweeping the floors

(01:14:36):
in the fly shop and work your way up. Um,
out here, there really aren't a lot of outfitters. You
just kind of go independent. You just kind of do it.
You just put yourself out there after getting appropriately certified.
Well yeah, yeah you got and then how you get
certified varies state by state. Um. But I don't know.
Involved with guiding or being a guide, I don't know.

(01:14:58):
It sort of depends on on what it is want
to do. I mean, you can always find a gig
in Alaska, but depending on your experience level, you know,
you might not like the gig. Um. But really, before
anybody considers people ask me all the time, why don't
you guide on the side. Whyn't you get in the the side?
I said, and I've said this on this show. I
love taking new people fishing if they want to go

(01:15:19):
fishing and learn and listen as soon as like you
like no better, even though you've never done the ship
we're doing. I'm like, then, I'm just gonna crush you
with a rod and I don't care. I don't care
about your success anymore. I don't have the patients. Um,
so make sure you have that before you get involved
in any kind of guiding. Yeah. Um, I'm just gonna
echo what Joe said. Uh, getting involved in a fly shop,

(01:15:42):
uh and working your way up is a pretty good
way to go, I guess if you're committed to it. Um.
The reason being is that eventually, you know, one of
those fishing guides will be too hungover to take folks out.
And yeah, next thing you know, you're driving. You're driving
down to the boat rent with a bunch of people
who don't want to listen to you. A lot of
times the shop a lot of times the shopper outfit

(01:16:02):
or also covers your insurance because that ain't cheap. Yeah,
and that's actually uh some an insurance esque question is
gonna come up later. Okay, So this comes from Underscore,
Have Gun, Will Travel, he says, ask Joe to walk
us through how he makes fly leaders for pike again,
Joe Walkers how to make up. I'm gonna try and
not walk it too long because it's it's uh, it's

(01:16:25):
it's kind of boring. But um, I always I'm usually
fishing pike with a sink tip line, whether it's slower
fast regardless. So I just used like a straight shot
like four ft a thirty pound floor carbon and then
I love, um Courtland's st ten is there tiable uh
steel leader? It actually comes on a coil like tipp it,

(01:16:46):
So I all bright not from the thirty pound to
you know, a foot long section of that steel leader.
Then I put a perfection loop in the end of
the steel and use a really good quality clip so
I can just quickly clip flies off on and that's
it done, donezo. So the whole thing is about five
ft total. I like a short leader. Cool. Dj Roloff asks, Uh,

(01:17:08):
what peeves do you have about phishing media? You go first, um, um,
what peeves do I have about phishing media? Um? You know,
I think, uh, I think we address that and a

(01:17:30):
lot of the stuff that we do in that a
lot of it doesn't show. Um, a lot of it
doesn't show. Things are like accessible to folks. You know,
a lot of it doesn't show the the you know,
the the reality of what fishing is to the average person.
And like, I'm going to get on like a stump

(01:17:51):
speech for a second here, man, fishing is important and
accessible fishing is important, and here's why. Uh. In my mind,
when you're trying to bring people into like the outdoors
in a meaningful way, you you wanted to have fun,
but like you want them to become effective lifelong conservationists, right,

(01:18:13):
and like that's like a commitment that can only be
made with like joy and enthusiasm. M Um. That joint
enthusiasm comes from an appreciation of all the natural world
has to offer, and a good way to develop that
appreciation is by experiencing what the natural world has to offer.

(01:18:33):
And fishing, in my mind, is the single most accessible
way for the average person to do that. So in
showing more accessible fishing and outdoor media, like, that's what
I would want for it. So it's not like so
much a peeve is like a desire, like I want
more representation of accessible fishing in outdoor media. Yep, yep, no,
And I agree with that, man, that's a really good answer.

(01:18:53):
I'm gonna keep mind very short and sweet, and I'm
certainly not going to name names. Um. What what bothers
me is there are a lot of very successful people
in fishing media these days, with very large followings, and
if you know anything about fishing and pay attention to them,
even in the slightest most of them have very little
to no idea what the hell they're talking about. They

(01:19:16):
just don't have the background experience. They haven't really done shit,
they haven't really been anywhere, they haven't really learned anything.
They are just spouting off crap, which is fine, right,
but it's like, man, these are the people that maybe
that that kid or that next generation, like they're going
to get them into fishing. And like I watched some

(01:19:37):
of these things and I'm like, you sound so dumb, right,
you have no idea what you're talking about. So it
just it it. I am always wanted to be like,
if I don't know, I'll tell you I don't know.
I know, I don't know anything about doing that kind
of fishing. I don't know anything about this. Um I
can find out for you talk to some good people.

(01:19:57):
But I value authenticity and I think authenticity works if
you can admit that you're not an expert. That's fine,
that's still authentic. But the amount of people out there
that I just watched this ship and I'm like you,
you just have no clue what you're talking about right now.
That bothers me. M So. Carnivore eight seventy asks do

(01:20:18):
fish caught through the ice taste better than fish caught
during the summer? Uh? Do? That's one of those weird things.
I want to say, yes, Like I do believe that
not even necessarily ice, just cold water verse warm water. Um,
but is there science behind that? There could be, If
there is, I'm not aware of it, but I would

(01:20:39):
say yes to that. Something called out of cold water
always seems to taste better than something called out of
warm water. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I'd agree with that.
Cold Boy seventeen says you have one species and one
method of fishing for life? What is it? Oh? God,
I don't. I don't never know how to answer these.

(01:21:00):
That's that's like saying you not to bring up golf again.
But like you can play any course in the world,
but you can only take your putter, Like, no, I don't,
I don't know, I don't know. I love I love
all types of fishing too much, Like I, do you
have an answer for that? Like, do you have a
true answer for that? Be up. I'm going with my
boy Corey Calkins drifting down the yellowstone fly fish and

(01:21:22):
big stupid foam bugs for big stupid brown trout. Mm
hmm yeah, I can't whittle that down. I'm sorry, Colby,
colboy whatever. Moving on. Um M k Row seventy two says,
is the guide or the client responsible for replacing broken equipment?

(01:21:44):
Oh that's a good question, um man, that seems too so.
I've been on on charters before where that's like written
in blood, like you sign a thing like anything you
break you buy. That's not I don't. I don't want
to say that's the norm. Most of the time it
is not, so I think in most cases, is it

(01:22:10):
your responsibility? No? I mean, like if you break a rod,
it's like, well, that dude just took a business hit
for the day. He's probably had rods broken before. But
should you because you're a good human being and like
now you just cost this guy? Hell yeah you should.
I would. I I mean that with without without a doubt,
especially if I did something stupid if his rod breaks

(01:22:32):
because he had a chip in it that he didn't
know about, one thing. But like if you're being an
ass hat and like smacking it off the gunnal, yeah,
you should absolutely, yeah. I mean, you know, depending on
what happens. If you're like, you know, cranking on a
fish and like you're not doing anything like dumb in
the rod just like explodes. You know, that's like one thing.
If you have casted it into a tree and you know,

(01:22:57):
you keep you know, can't indicay in it and trying
to pop it out, and like the rod breaks, maybe
you ought to pay for it. On the other hand,
if like the guide says, pointed it like the tree
and you do that and you pull it out and
the split shot that you were using comes back and
obliterates the rod, that's not really your fault, man, that's
not your fault. You know it It varies, man. Look,

(01:23:20):
the bottom line is these guides, um, you know a
lot of them are working out of shops, in which
case is actually the shops equipment you know most times,
and like the shop realizes that that's just something that
comes to the territory. Same as like renting rods, right, ye. Um,
you know, if you're going out with a guide that
you know is a sole proprietor, um, you know, maybe

(01:23:44):
offer to maybe offer to pay for it. But it's
a case by case. Man. If you're acting like an
ass and you break a rod, you know you got
what was coming and you ought to pay for it.
If it was a pure accident, like hey, rod's break sometimes. Man,
that's just what it is, alright, Moving on, um J
d N forty four says, what's the dumbest or sketchiest

(01:24:06):
thing you've ever done to catch a fish? Man, that's
a really awesome question. I feel like I should have
this mega answer, and if I had more time to
think about it would probably probably pop into my brain.
But the one that all that comes the top of
my head was in my hardcore surf fishing days. Like

(01:24:26):
in college, Um, I used to do a lot of
jetty hopping and I remember skipping class one day to
catch a certain tide and I got down to this
particular jetty and took one look at it and I
knew it was too big to do it, Like it
was stupid, like it was too kicked up. And the
jetty comes out like an L, So you have the

(01:24:47):
main jetty pointing straight east off shore, and then about
halfway out you have an L shooting off to the north,
and the stripers would would feed in that elbow like
in that nook, and I I looked at it, and
I was like, this is really stupid. But I drove
all that way and I skipped class to go fish it.
And you can easily talk yourself into going, well, it's

(01:25:10):
not that bad. It's not that bad. And I was
all by myself, and I went out on that L
and luckily at the time because I was still keeping stripers,
I had a jetty gaff. I had a Calcutta long
jetty gaff. And I went out like a couple of
couple of waves broke and it was not that big
a deal, Like I just held my ground and started fishing,

(01:25:32):
and I I wedged the jetty gaff into the rocks
next to me, and um, I looked down for about
three seconds to to change out a plug and just
got my feet taken right out from under me. And luckily,
on my way off the back side of that jetty,
one hand caught the gaff that was still wedged in

(01:25:55):
the rocks and I had two more break over me
while I was hanging on, and it's scared the living
ship out of me. But I just got up and
and got off, and UM, that was dumb. That was dumb.
I knew I shouldn't have been out there, but I was. Yeah.
I mean, I don't have anything quite like that. Um.
But you know, I think the common thread here is

(01:26:18):
underestimating heavy water. UM. You know. I remember I was
steel head fish in one time and there was a
bunch of pressure where I. Where I was was on
Salmon River, and I knew that there was a spot
that I could probably cross because I'd gone over in
a boat before with my buddy Scott, and I'd like,

(01:26:38):
let to see the bottom. I was like, oh, you know,
that looks like kind of like an incognito place across
and if you crossed, you would you would get access
to a large portion of bank that a lot of
folks didn't have access to. Um. So I remember, Um,
I remember just kind of like almost losing it in
the middle of winter by myself in like a real

(01:26:59):
sketchy spot. Also on the Salmon River, I was fishing
across from this. Uh, I was fishing, and which is now,
and I had waited across. I had come out like
I don't even really think I got on the opposite bank,
which is like technically which is like private, but like

(01:27:20):
I'm fishing from the opposite side of opposite side for
everybody fishes. And one of the stewards came down to me.
He was like, hey, um, you know, I saw you
come down across this way, and you know, I just
want you to know that, like, if one of our
clients wants to uh wants to fish here, you're gonna

(01:27:40):
have to move. Um. And and this is I don't
know if I a should be saying this, but whatever,
this is why I don't like the So in a huff,
I was like called the warden man like I I
didn't like I was. I was like, I didn't do that.
You know, you can, you can tell me you're whatever,
but I didn't do that. Um. So basically like I

(01:28:04):
had like some words with this dude, and I was
just like, you know what, fine, And I just like
I went to like cross back, like I was real annoyed,
but I had missed the shelf by like just a touch,
and so I start crossing back and I realized that
the line that I'm taking is not good man. But

(01:28:24):
but but like I'm piste off and committed, so there's
no going back, there's no spinning around the amount. Yeah,
I know this position. Yes, So I'm like, I'm just
gonna do this or I'm gonna die doing it. And
I did not die doing it. But that was a
pretty I guess that's not the dumbest thing I've ever
done to catch a fish, but maybe one of the
dumber things have done to prove a point. I've had

(01:28:46):
so many sketchy aids, and I don't want to tell
a whole another story, but the one that's most memorable.
I got across and I picked the spot where we
were crossing the broad Head and this was Father's Day weekend.
And I got across and turned around to see my
poor old man and in the middle of this heavy flow,
waist deep with his flimsy little waiting stick looking at
me like if I don't die, I'm gonna kill you.

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The second I get over to that bank, and it
was like the most hair raising five minutes of my life.
It was one of those deals where like you just
were waiting, like I was like, he's gonna get taken
off his feet any second. And I picked the spot.
I picked the spot, and now there's no going back,
there's no turning around. You are going forward. Luckily he
made it, and then we had a nice dinner at
shown Ease or something. Yeah. Man, that broadhead is funny, dude,
because there are some stretches of it that you're like, oh,

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this is a peach, and there are other stretches of
it where you're like, you could go in there and
never come back. All right. Um. Piker seventy two asks, Uh,
why do people who have a boat doc get pissed
when other people fish it? Like gold Dude, I'm fishing.
I think he means from a boat. Well, yeah, he
does mean from a boat. Um. So I have two

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thoughts on that. On a lake, I don't get it.
I mean, if you have if you have a basketbat
and you're pulling up in the middle of the day
to somebody's dock and flipping his dock, I don't get it.
They just must feel like whatever bass live under that
dock are their bass now in the saltwater scene. On
the other hand, if I had waterfront property with the dock,
I would absolutely pay the money to have green lights
put out on that dock, because there is nothing more

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fun than night dock fishing in saltwater when the lights
bringing all the bait and their stripers and snook and
whatever you have is just there. Okay, But then if
you roll up on a boat and fish my lights,
now I'm pissed, even though you have every right to
do so. I would be furious. But if I had
a lakefront home and a dude rolled up and flipped it,
I wouldn't give a damn like good for you, man? Okay?

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Ethan sense that asks uh, any tips for dealing with
potentially aggressive waterfowl around your fishing spot? Yeah? Man, um
a CEO two powered pellet? Gun? Uh, I want to talk?
Is a federal offense. I don't do that, Martin, whatever
you got, Yeah, I don't know, man. Uh you know

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Number one? Why wide wide birth? I assume he's talking
about geese, and that's always do that. The nesting season
always coincides with opening day around here. So I mean,
how many times in your life like you're just a
walking him a trout hole and then get that you're
like ship like turn around, walk around him. I mean,
I don't know. You know, I don't know how many

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times it's happened to be. My first inclination is always
like there's a big snake. Yeah, oh yeah, dude, it
catches you way off guard. All right, So Thomas n
y EU that could be Thomas and I guess, uh
going to the PM first Steel next week? Are four
guys too many for a drift boat? Will we be
laughed at? Yes? Yes, yes you will too many. I

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don't I don't know what kind of drift boat you're
dealing with. But even like the biggest stealth craft i'm
aware of, four is too many. Um, it's not that
it's probably unsafe. Like I'm thinking about my boat sixteen foot?
Could I row four people in it if I had to? Yeah?
But none of you're gonna be able to fish like
you're not. You're not gonna be able to fish unless
you're so using it to hop out and fish a run,

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and and and and he said it's like a shuttle
whatever if all, if three out of four, you think
you're gonna be like swinging intruders with sink tips, uh
safety glasses at them? Yeah, and and if that's a
four guys on a guides drift boat, meaning that there
are five dudes way above the maximum. Yeah, he won't

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let you do that. I highly doubt it. I might, Okay,
Cakey Codes, I don't know what that means. Uh asks
should adults be able to fish on youth mentor Day? Truthfully,
Cakey Codes, I am not really aware of whether they
can or cannot. So I don't know how to answer that,
Like if the mentor how do I mentor you if

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I can't teach you how to cast, which means I
might have to cast for all I know this person
is correct and on youth Mentor Day the adult cannot fish,
But I I, I don't know. I yeah, but I'll
tell you what, man, I will tell you what. I
bet you if they've let adults fish on youth Mentor Day,
a lot more kids would go fishing. Well that's yeah,

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probably you're right. You So, so as far as like
that's concerned, like, yeah, you know, I would say, like
that would be a cool thing to let folks, do
you know, kind of give you, aside from the joy
of children, a a reward for you know, taking kids fishing.
But you know that's just me all right, out of

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the round, asks, if I go ten car fishing and
an old red neck and a cane pole is fishing,
can I still look down on them? No, because your
ten car fishing. I was gonna say, sure, you can,
in fact still look down on them. But if it
gets ugly, he's gonna beat your ass because that cane
pole would snap the ten car rod right in half
if it went full on sword fight. They are much

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stronger than your ten car rod. Alright. And last but
not least cmh o Boza or cm Hobosa or see
m hobos. I don't know how it how it said
asks like like many of you asked, when are you
taking Phil fishing? I feel like I feel like I've
failed Phil. You should take Phil fit You could take

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Phil fishing so many times it's just like yeah, it
just like never works out. We tried to go duck
hunting to man Um. You know, uh, I will tell
you what. If there's one person who deserves a free
fishing trip from the Bent Fellows, it's Phil Taylor h
and and and and despite my departure, Phil knows he
has an open invitation. I even have an Ikea futon

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here for him any time, any time, Phil