August 5, 2025 • 42 mins
In this fun episode, Sarah and Laura share their own takes on popular wellness trends that seem to be taking the world by storm. Topics discussed range from cold plunges to GLP-1 medications and beyond, and there are hot takes galore.
Then, both hosts share various strategies that help them reset when facing their own habit challenges or just to get out of a rut.
In the Q&A, a listener expecting baby #2 asks for ideas for what kinds of big-picture planning questions to think through before the baby arrives.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,
and speaker.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician,
writer and course creator. We are two working parents who
love our careers and our families.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about
how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.
From figuring out childcare to mapping out long.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Term career goals.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We want you to get the most out of life.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
This episode is airing in early August of twenty twenty five.
We are going to be talking wellness trends, what is
hot in the world of wellness today, and whether we
are trying any of these said trends. And then we
are also going to pivot into a discussion of how
to reset. A lot of wellness is about getting a
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fresh start, but there are lots of ways one can
have a fresh start in life. So if you are
looking for that at this time of year, summer, we
will be discussing ways to do that. So, Sarah, this
episode is your baby.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I am in charge today and why am I in charge?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Because Laura may.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Or may not be that excited about very many well
on this trends, as you are about to find out.
But I thought it was an interesting topic because people
are always debating this stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
At the water cooler.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You know, this or that protein or fat, macrocounting or that.
I don't know, and I just thought it would be
interesting to do an episode where we did a rundown
on our thoughts about various things, either because we've tried
them or just because we've thought about them. And this
is not supposed to be an episode with medical recommendations
or like the end all be all, like we are right,
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we know the answer to these things. But I think
with any of this kind of I don't know, trending
thing that you might want to try, it's always interesting
to hear different perspectives, and so you're going to provide
those today because fun fact, Laura and I don't always
share the same perspective on all of these wellness trends,
although sometimes we do.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Hey, yeah, fun fact, I actually recently reviewed a book
for The Wall Street Journal by Amy Larroca called How
to Be Well that was on wellness trends. She's a
long time magazine editor who wrote a book that was
kind of skewering a lot of various wellness trends.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
She tried out various things that sound terrible, like colonics
and making fun of the various It was mostly about
the wellness trends aimed at women. She was pointing out
that in the past, women were pressured to be skinny.
Now you need to be skinny and have this glow
that's obtained through like your vegan food and clean makeup
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and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And it may seem a little bit more empowering, but
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It is exactly the same idea of making you conform
to some view of what women are supposed to be like.
Although some of this is aimed at men too. There
are lots of things aimed at men trying to be
masters of the universe with trying various ridiculous things. I mean,
there's some examples, she used of a guy who was
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using expensive hearing aids in public even though there's nothing
wrong with his hearing, or the people monitoring their blood
glucose constantly, who again are not diabetic.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
A lot of that is this may be the first
I love that part. Can we add it in.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Okay, Actually, I'm going to give you my hot take
on that, which is that like it's information, it's information, Yes,
I mean, but then I think there's also this idea
that like you're supposed to keep your blood sugar like,
you know, at ninety all day long and it's never.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Supposed to ever bow up. Yeah. I don't think there's
a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Of data to actually support that, and yet some of
oh my god, I went to one twenty two when
it came down like, yeah, that's physyllogy, not pathology.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So I guess I am.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But I also feel like if it shows you which foods,
first of all, insulin resistance is pretty common, and if
it shows you which foods bring your blood sugar way
up and stay up and you are and they are
not the best foods, then again might be personally valuable,
but I think maybe being overused in very specific segments
of the population.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yes, all right, Well, moving on from there, All right, Sarah,
where are we starting with the wellness trends?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We're just gonna start with a really easy one, easier
than that one because we already talked about it, and
that is cold plunges.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
There's gonna be a whole other episode on cold.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Plunges, the Cold Plunge episode where we do a live
cold plunge on the Yeah, I love it for you
if you love cold plunges, but I am gonna live
my life without doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That's my plan.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I do like going from like a hot hot tub
to a less hot heated pool in Montana where you
get to like put your feet in the snow for
a minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That's like the closest.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But I'm I've read some of the like I looked
up data and I didn't I was unimpressed. And I
I think if you love them, you should do them.
But I don't think you should expect some sort of
magic to happen.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I hate being cold in general, so not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
There are places that actually in addition to like cold
pledging into like water or something that you can actually
like pay to go in and you know, like a
cold room and yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, yeah, no, okay. Moving on protein.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Protein is an interesting one because I do read some
things that are like, oh my gosh, protein is so
overhyped because you only really need X amount of grams,
And then I see other things that are like for
successful aging and building muscle mass through strength training, you need,
you know, a really good amount of protein, and I
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think the truth lies in between with many of these things. However,
for me a personal experiment kind of perspective, I kind
of like protein. I'm on the protein train. I feel
more satiated when I eat something like twenty plus grams
of protein at each meal, and I definitely did not
always eat that amount of protein.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It doesn't always have to be meat either.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
There's like some reasonable sources of protein that are either
dairy or even vegan.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's harder, but there's some.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I guess from what I have gleaned and read,
it does seem like there might be an association of
getting enough protein I don't know exactly where that threshold
is and preserving muscle mass, which I think does make
a lot of sense, would be associated with successful aging.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So I guess I'm pro protein.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Laura, Well, how about this, like if somebody was trying
to do this, Like what does that actually look like
when you're saying I wasn't getting enough protein at different
meals or snacks, Like what did you actually add to.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So well, first of all, I think actually Knowing what
has protein and calculating how much you're getting is important
because you might think, oh, this is like super healthy,
and maybe it is super healthy in other ways. But
for example, a breakfast which I used to eat and
consider pretty healthy and I still eat sometimes anyway, oatmeal,
peanut butter and like a fruit okay, that does not
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actually have very much protein at all. It might explain
why despite having a pretty decent amount of calories depending
on how much peanut butter you add, you're like hungry
two and a half hours later and searching for something
and versus something like eggs or cottage cheese and granola
and a fruit which tends to be like my new
favorite thing that is just like going to keep me
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full longer, And who doesn't want to just be able
to not have to take a break in the middle
of patients because my breakfast was more satiating.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
For me, that seems to have benefit. Plus the idea
that maybe it would help some more muscle growth kind
of stick on me after my workout. Like again, maybe
that's not entirely true, but if it does sway the
pendulum and I like both options, then for me kind
of makes sense, But I think understanding how much you
are getting and then starting to understand the value the
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amount that is present in various foods, Like certain things
people underestimate, Like I don't think people realize that bread
does have some protein. For example, it's not a zero
protein food. I think the Frugal Girl recently posted she
had like this open faced tuna melt. It was like
a piece of bread, pile of tuna, and some cheese.
It was like thirty grams of protein or some huge amount.
But I do think understanding like what those numbers are
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and what you're aiming for can actually be helpful, or
at least it's been helpful for me.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, this is in the category of things I'm not
terribly worried about because I have two eggs for breakfast
basically every single morning, so breakfast is already that check
with fruit.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
But then I probably eat.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
More meat than I should anyway, So if that is
the case, like meat tends to have protein.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And a lot of protein.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean a lot of times for lunch, I'm having
leftovers from the night before, and I would say almost
all of our meals would have had some meat in them.
That was a dinner, so then that you wind up
having meat for lunch too, which I think some people
might not have done it. There might be people having
a peanut butter sandwich or something like that for lunch,
and that would not be the case for me. I
would be having whatever tacos we had from the night before,
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that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And you know, this does sort of extend to kids
a little bit, and maybe not with the same end goal.
But if your kids drive you nuts because they do
ask for a snack an hour after the mule, which
is just logistically irritating, then I've started to try to
be like, Okay, does anything on your plate have protein
in it? Okay, Well, if not, go find a yogurt
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That We're struggling with this with the picky eater in
my family, who is also growing rapidly right now, because
what can you do, Like, there's only so many forms
of protein that pass muster.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Although knowing his preferences, some of them do have protein, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, chicken nuggets, yes, I mean, I guess you can
eat check you do cheese sticks, cheese sticks or cheese sticks. Yeah,
you could do cheese sticks. There's a lot of cheese
being consumed. I can tell you that piles of individually
wrapped cheeses that are consumed.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
They're keeping him alive and growing, keeping.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Him alive like that. The chicken nuggets, well, that is
what it is.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
But how about the sticks? Well, should we take a
quick ad break or and then get a quick ad
break and then we'll be back with more wellness trends. Well,
we are back talking wellness trends and then ways to reset. Sarah,
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what about lifting weights?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
That's not really a trend, is it?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's a Oh, it's totally a trend right now because
all of the and we're going to get to like
perimenopause being talked about. And I really people might say, well,
you're just noticing that because you're of that age, but
I actually do not think that's I mean, that is
part of it. But I also think that like everyone's like,
what wasn't talked about before? And it's true, I feel
like I still would have paid some attention and there
just wasn't that much. And now there's this whole wellness
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cohort that's like how do you age well? And one
of the ways to do that is to lift heavy
and I mean, I kind of think there's truth to
that one as well. Having done the end of one
experiment on myself, I knew for a fact and this
is even pre hard condition, pre everything that body composition wise,
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I do best when I am mostly strength training and
not doing a lot of cardio. I have in the
past made the choice to just ignore that because I
loved running and it was fun and stuff like that.
But if anybody remembers my Little Beach Body phase, yes
it's an MLM. It was not my favorite company ever,
but they had some great workouts and I had a
nice time, and that's kind of where I guess I
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sort of learned to strength train. And I know there's
even much more serious forms of it where you're lifting
way more weights than the up to twenty five pound
dumbbells that I have at home. But I really do
kind of buy into the idea that loading your muscles
helps grow those muscles, and metabobblically active tissue on your
body does good things for you from a health perspective,
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from a I can move into my later year's perspective,
and from an aesthetic perspective. So I'm very on board
with this trend and I'm fine that it's trendy because
if there are more ways to do it, or like
more studios that open up and more people talking about
how to do it, then great, great for everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I would say the one thing I like about
lifting weights strength training is it tends to take less time,
so there's like certain the physics of getting from one
place to another, even if you're running quite quickly, like
you're gonna be throwing hours at it as a physical
fitness kind of thing, whereas with strength training, you can
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do a couple minutes of it really honestly, and you're
still getting some benefit from doing it. So I work
out with a trainer once a week it's a thirty
minute thing, and then I probably repeat most of those
at some other point. But when I'm doing it on
my own, I'm really only doing like ten to fifteen minutes,
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and that's.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
About all I can stay entertained for. But I guess
it's it's better than nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It's I'm sure it's better than nothing. I'm sure it's significant.
And even if you do get to a point where like, okay,
maybe I'm not building muscle, but on my maintaining muscle,
you are just getting older, so that's kind of still.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
A win as I have.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yes, we are all getting older, that is true. But
here's something you're not as into. Weighted vests.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yes, oh my gosh, these are trending, and I don't know,
like I'm trying to think about myself and like, okay,
to be fair, like this is not an exercise that
I can safely do with the heart stuff that I have.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Like the whole point of a.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Weighted vest is it's making your cardio harder and like
more stress on your heart. So like I wouldn't do this,
and so part of me is maybe like, well, that's
why you're like that's dumb, because because I'm left out
or something.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
But I also.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Feel like, okay, when you're running, if you're carrying more weight,
like that's more stress on your joints, and isn't that
exactly what a weighted best is doing? And I guess
you're walking instead of running. But I also feel like
it's this weird middle ground between cardio and strength. I
guess for someone who wants to cardiovascular effect of running
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but then can't run for some reason like maybe or
hates to run, I could see that, although than I
would say, go find some hills or something like that,
because it would maybe be like a more natural movement.
I just yeah, I'm never gonna do this, and I
don't totally get it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But again, if you love it, then I love it
for you. I don't think it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, although I feel like you can wind up carrying
stuff in general.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That makes like.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Whatever you're doing, like I'm carrying a bag of groceries,
I like carrying a backpack. I'm getting you know, like
you're hiking and you need weight, like put water in
your backpack.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Like now you're carrying weight.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I mean it's like are you carrying your kids up
the steps or something like that. I don't know the
idea of creating artificial weight when you're doing these things
maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I guess it hasn't come up to me.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It just it would be like, oh, how to make
your walk unpleasant?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, make yourself like how you felt walking when you
were pregnant.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That doesn't seem like more fun?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, no, Although now I'm like having flashbacks of like
walking around with the Ergo. But that was like cozy.
I mean it was heavy, but it was nice heavy.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, our kid in the backpack. We've Michael took a
lot of kids in our backpack.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That went through all five kids hiking backpack.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But yes, that has been retired now nobody's going on
the back anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So yeah, that's a that's the original weighted vest.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
That's the original weight invest like put your offspring on
your body somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No, all right, well we're not we're not big fans,
but I mean again, if you love it, you should,
you should enjoy it, all right, this one, you were like,
what even is that? And I don't know if I
would know if this was without a thirteen year old daughter.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
But everything is.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Clean, girl. Oh that's so clean girl. And it's like
it's like this aesthetic of like all your food looking
very green smoothie and all your rooms looking pink and empty.
And I guess I just like this is one of
those things where I'm like, oh, social media harms because
no one's actual life looks like that. And I don't
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find it inspiring whatsoever. I just find it irritating. And
I think more people should post pictures of the green
smoothie that exploded all over their kitchen.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's not the clean girl aesthetic. No, the messy girl,
it's the real life.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, okay, I didn't even know what that was, so
I heard it. Gosh, I read I.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Read some magazine for a while that they kept talking
about eating clean.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Is that a phrase? Like what is it?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I don't like that phrase even, like what what does?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What is dirty? Dirty? I don't know, probably think.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Dirty and that's you know, we have immune systems to
deal with that.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, but the idea being that trying to eat mostly
I guess, whole foods without and not ultra processed ingredients
and without.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Like dies or well that I don't have a chemicals
or something problem with. Yeah, although I think it can
be taken to a life disruptive level, which is kind
of sad, but within reason. But that's to me, that's
not clean girl, that's like the mid level of normalcy,
like before you get.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Up to yeah girl, Yeah, absolutely, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
All right, well here comes the juicy one GLP one medications.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, let's talk about it. What do you have to say, Sarah?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Okay, spoiler that I included this because I notice that,
like everyone uses this as clickbait, so everyone must want
to know what everyone else thinks of these I prescribe them,
so I don't have a problem with them at all. Actually,
I mean for the right customer. So they're FDA approved
for in kids and teens if you have a BMI
of a of over ninety five percent for your height
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and age for ages twelve and up, and they're also
approved for type two diabetes. And for some people they
are so so helpful and the benefits absolutely outweigh the risks.
Do I think they're overused in certain circles. I do
this is another like you do you? Like? I think
everyone should make their own choices, but I think it
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is important for everyone to understand some of the downsides.
And to me, my three big cautions are A. I
think so many people use them thinking I want to
use this for a little while, And I just think
that is such a slippery slope because most of the
data suggest that not all but most people gain the
weight back, and then you're sort of just setting yourself
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up for a life of like torturing yourself.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Like do I take it? How much? Do I take it?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Like it's just like another layer of and you have
many decades of life ahead of you, which is my hesitation.
In teens who are not that impacted by their weight.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
From a health.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Perspective, it's like, Ooh, are you ready for sixty years
taking these meds?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't know, So that's number one. Number two.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I think the hey, we're going back to muscle. I
think the muscle loss. I mean, there's there's data to
suggest it loves to take away muscle more than even
just you know, weight loss takes away muscle too, and
there are things you can do to mitigate that, like
strength training, but the rapid muscle loss that can happen
can set you up for a very bad yoo situation,
especially if you then plan to go off because guess what,
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you're getting back weight and you're not getting back muscle,
and then you're like metabolically worse off than when you started.
And I just think people need to understand that risk.
And then finally, I guess there's a black box of
again if you're signing up to take a medicine like
this and you're being realistic, which means if you want
to sustain that late weight loss, you're taking them for
a very long time. We don't really know what like
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fifty years of taking these meds does, like maybe after
twenty years everyone's eyeballs fell off, Like I don't, probably not,
but like.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It would be unfortunately, don't assume me no.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Notice that's just theoretical, but like, yeah, I just think
there is a little bit of uncertainty that people are
trading for. Well, I feel better now and absolutely in
many situations, and I've seen them it's worth that risk.
Like I've seen people's lives change for the better. It
makes me so happy. And I see patients whose lives
are like just incredibly limited by their weight, and if
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this can help them, then it can be worth a
lot of those trade offs. So that is my clinician perspective. No,
I have not used them. Yeah myself, I do not
meet criteria.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, no, I mean I wonder how we will see
this play out over time. I mean certainly I think
the early versions of it, it's people have had such
side effects with nausea and things like that that the
trade off is again, if you're extremely overweight, there can
be a lot of upsides. It's like, if you're only
trying to lose what like fifteen pounds, then probably wouldn't
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be worth it.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
For that, but who knows. Maybe people will change over time.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
What the drugs are out there, maybe there will be
some sort of lifestyle version of it that's lighter, that
only has a take.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A little bit of the Yeah, there's oral Novo Nordis
has an oral one on the pipeline that's supposed to
be a lot weaker. And then there's also like a
turbocharged another injectable coming down the pike, and I'm sure
that's just a tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So yeah, well early days of that. I mean, it's
so good that there at least is something, though, I mean,
oh my gosh, that's where I've seen. I'm so fascinated
because before these drugs existed, I think you're getting into
this space where there was the body positivity movement, which
I'm in general all about body positivity, and then some
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of those body positivity influencers suddenly got really really skinny, right,
It is like, okay, so it actually wasn't a philosophical position.
It was that the current trade offs required to get
that physique, it would have taken so much time and
effort and unpleasantness, like in mental space, that it wasn't
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worth it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I would think that would be really hard for some
of them because if you've built your lovelihood around that.
Then you're like, I want to use these MUDs, but
I can't because then I'm gonna lose my I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I think people still, I mean a lot of people,
even who are body positivities.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
If want to be skinny, I don't know, obviously.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
But I will still follow this world, and I am
not sad that I'm staying out of that.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. All Right, Well, we're gonna take one
more quick ad break and then we'll be back with
maybe tiny bit more on wellness and getting to our
reset part of this episode.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
All right, we'll take that down break. All right, we're back.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Turns out we have a lot to say about wellness
because we are far into the episode, all right, but
we cannot leave wellness without talking about meditation definitely has
been trending for at least the last few decades. I
guess that's a weird thing to say about, like an
art practation practice that's like part of actual religions, But
it's also true and probably not a insignificant market share
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when you think of all the apps and things that
people do.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I like it, firstly, I like it.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I don't see it as a magic bullet. I see
it as a little vitamin.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah. I think I have not ever decided to make
this a part of my life, like an actual practice.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Maybe it would have benefits. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I often will go out and walk or run and
let my mind wander while I'm doing that. Like I
don't listen to music, so I have some of that
time that I think is what people are getting at
with meditation.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, I mean I don't think there's magic. I think
I enjoy it, like I enjoy the practice of sitting
down and like being peaceful and like letting my mind
slow down. I think if I found it torturous, there
probably would not be as much well a benefit. But
be readson to continue because I don't think it's like, oh,
this is magically doing something. But I think it can
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be an enjoyable way to practice, an enjoyable part of
your routine that might have some lingering positive things for me.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Absolutely, Okay, wearables, Sarah, wearables, are you on that?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes? And no. I have an Apple Watch.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I really love how it just keeps telling me all
sorts of things like, oh my god, your cardio fitness
is going down. And you used to do more activity
and you should just keep moving more. And I'm like, well,
if you were really that smart, you would know better.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So I don't know. I still like my Apple Watch.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I don't really care that much about all the things
that it's tracking, so I guess, yeah, I'm like here
nor there. I think steps can be a really helpful
thing to track for certain people. And I like the
fact that I can get any kidge at any time.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's very convenient. I've never worn an or ring.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I feel like I would enjoy wearing one to find
out what it thought about my sleep for like a week,
but then i'd want to give it back. But some
people love them. And I will say my husband is
an unexpected like he's the kind of person who just
like every single one of these things we're talking about.
He's like, eh, but he had a running watch that
tracked sleep and he was like, actually, that was helpful,
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and it changed a little bit about how he was
trying to sleep because it told him that he had
like no sleep pat in at all.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And he's like, well, that's not good.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't know why he didn't realize that without the watch,
but he didn't, and so it actually was helpful for him,
and so your mileage may vary.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Don't expect miracles.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, well, the step counter, I mean, if you have
your phone on you a lot of the day, I
mean a phone is tracking your steps, like the iPhone
is and the health.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But I don't have it on me.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's always sitting on various desks and I'm walking around,
so that is I.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Mean, mine's not with me in my office or like
from walking back and forth to the kitchen necessarily, but
a lot of the major like moving around in the
day would be recorded on it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
And yeah, I think that gets a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
So you kind of already have that from the step perspective, Yeah,
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I mean I tracked my time.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I mean people know that I track my time pretty religiously,
but have not decided to have any wearables doing it
for me.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So I track my sleep without it. I guess it
seems like it's good enough sleep.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I haven't haven't needed to do that, all right, maybe
one or two more?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Do we have to do? Both of these? I mean
they're very fine.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Digital detoxing, Laura, I like my digital devices.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I think you just have to decide how you're going
to deal with it, and if you, it's what I say, like,
make sure you have enough effortful fun in your life
that the effortless variety of fun is not the only
thing you are doing. A lot of people spend more
time than they think they are spending on their phones,
looking at social media, reading headlines. Those are electronic hobbies,
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like we could just call them electronic hobbies. And you
are devoting perhaps hours a day to your electronic hobbies,
and so maybe you can decide, well, is that what
I want to be my primary hobby or I rather
have something else like reading, calling friends, doing puzzles, knitting,
arts and crafts, playing a musical instrument. All those other
things might be things that you could do in some
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of that discretionary time as well, And that's certainly what
I try to do.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I think it is my favorite favorite digital detox modality
is do something else, Like fully do something else so
that you're not But I will say, as I drop
my kids off at camp today, my older kids were like,
we're excited not to have screens, So I don't know.
I also think the idea of taking a vacation where
I'm totally unreachable and off the grid, although that has
lusted with screen use and more to do with is
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just like everyone leave me alone is very appealing. So
I guess if I could have like a protected digital
detox of some sort, I would totally do it. Otherwise,
I think I agree with Laura's take on things. And
then finally, we cannot end a wellness episode without asking
about life coaches.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Oh, dear Sarah, do you have thoughts?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yes and no, I don't feel as like, okay, if
a life coach is a person that is going to
get you to really think through what you want and
maybe think through how various goals are not being met
and troubleshoot around that. I actually took like a wellness
coaching certification at one point. It was we were setting
something up for residents and so it was covered and
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I did it.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
It's called well.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Coaches, And I mean, I can see the value in that,
just like I see the value in like the fact
that some people land with me and I'm helping them
to do a specific thing and give themselves time to
think through things that they weren't going to give themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
However, that is like great.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And then we have a lot of coaches who either
are trying to be a sub for therapy and kind
of telling people that they'll fix everything, and then others
who are selling very unrealistic things, especially financial things like
I will make you rich as long as you pay
me a lot of money, and I will make you
rich by turning you into a coach, which I'm like,
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that is the pyramidius pyramid. Ever, like, how is that
not labeled a pyramid, because like there's only going to
be so many coaches and coaches in the world, and
at the end of the day, like if you're not
one of those early coaches, like you are just okay,
so you get what I'm saying. So I guess just
be very very careful out there. But I don't think
the whole field is bad. I think some people probably
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you know, like I wouldn't even say no, would I
never work with a life coach, like a one on
one individual type of relationship. That's just more like protected
guided thought than it is I'm expecting miracles from this
person who's going to give them all to me.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, I'd say just be careful out there, right, Like
cold plunge whatever is not going to do anything to you.
But there's a lot of snake oil in the form
of people wanting to make a buck in this field,
as people want to make money in any field, but
it's not necessarily very clear who's helpful and who isn't.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
If you are going to go with one, make sure.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You've vetted the person and have like friends or colleagues
who find them really helpful in a very concrete way,
like they can point to something they have done differently
as a result and view it with the goal of, Yes,
I want a person to hold me accountable and I
want protected time to think through my goals, and this
is the way I'm going to get that in my life.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And I know that about myself. I think then it
could work.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
But otherwise, yeah, I'm not sure that that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I don't think it should cost thousands of dollars either.
I just don't like, I don't think there's anyone worth that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I was reading I've a book. I
won't mention the title because it's a popular one, but
about somebody who paid many, many, many tens of thousand
dollars to a particular coach with the idea that it
was then going to force her to hustle and build
the business too.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, they should have just paid me.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I would have happily forced her to hustle.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Interesting, let's just say that you will never read that
in one of myself help books. So we have a
different approach in life. I'm not going to pay someone
a bunch to the enforce me to hustle. That will
not be happening, like to decide on my own when
I'm going to hustle. So, anyway, ways to reset? So
we kind of thought we'd make a combo episode. I
guess maybe because I thought there wasn't enough to say
about wellness. But Sarah likes the topic.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
More than I do, so we're just going to do
a lightning round. So a lot of wellness is about
ways to.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Feel sort of fresh, new sense of possibility, and so
we're talking about what are some ways that we do
look to reset in life? If you're looking for a reset,
what can you do? So, Sarah, you have some sort
of daily rituals that help with this, right.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I find that setting up my planner page every day
and like migrating my task from the day before and
like sort of closing that day, Like my whole morning
thing provides a really really nice reset. And it's one
reason that I really like daily planners.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, well I do. I mean I plan weekly. I
mean I do give myself a to do list for
each day. Like so at the end of each day,
a fresh area, a fresh area, make myself a to
do list for the next day, and then each day
is in fact a fresh start. I love the idea
of the day starting and you get your coffee and
you sit down and it's all open. On Monday morning,
I look at my time log for the next week
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and it's all open. But one of the reasons I
like my weekly planning is well, whatever happened this week,
whatever I've gotten done. Next week is a new week,
and here are the things I'm going to focus on,
and I have my ideas of what needs to happen
and how I'm going to happen.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And that makes me feel like a bit of a
reset there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I also, if I'm like struggling with a particular habit
or you know, like I'm like, ah, Reddit, I need
to quit again doing some kind of like manifesto, you know,
like just figuring out like okay, like what do I
really want going forward? What isn't working? Maybe writing out
some like the way I want it to be. In
discussing with a friend, I have done this. Does it
work forever on everything?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
But it can provide a really nice, helpful fresh start.
And then every day is different, and if you have
some successful days from something like this, then they count too.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So physically cleaning up can we need to be careful
with this. Life does not begin when you put your
house in order. You can live your life whatever your
house looks like. I feel like that's a message that
is more feeding on sort of women's insecurities of like, oh, well,
how can you dare do anything until everything is picked up? No,
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you can go have your fun even if your kid's
toys are still out on the playroom floor, Like, don't
have that mindset. That said, if you're feeling a little
like and again we don't want to procrastinate here, but
sometimes if your desk is messy, spending fifteen minutes cleaning
it up can make you feel a little bit more
excited about starting work. If your bedroom is feeling a
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bit cluttered and you're finding it hard to relax, spending
fifteen minutes tidying things up in there might make it
feel a little bit more like you could at least
shut the door and sit in there and enjoy a
bit of relaxation from the rest of the house's clutter.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Another thing is if you have a specific health habit,
you're trying to work on finding somebody that inspires you,
and again, try to find someone that you got to
be careful with this because there's a lot of stuff
out there. But once you find someone who's a fit,
then great binge. Listen to their podcast or you know,
read their website or whatever it is. But like you
want to get into running, you find people that you
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really respect that are going to inspire you. But I
have definitely done that with various things. I've read a
lot of books about various digital detox types of things
that I've found helpful and inspiring to like create the
screen relationship I want over the years. So that's my example.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You might also try some sort of mini challenge of sorts,
explicitly saying I am not saying I'm going to do
this for the rest of my life, but for thirty days,
I am going to do X and you can try
it out. See if you have sort of that motivational
energy to take you through thirty days, or if there's
too many logistical challenges, then I guess that's not going
to work. But you don't feel like you fail for
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the rest of your life is start something else.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
But little mini.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Experiments can be a fun way to reset and try
something new.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yes, and then finally we had track it. Whether that
is your time when they're trying to figure out different habits,
sometimes it's actually not the habits you want to track,
but your time around those habits, especially if you're telling
yourself the story that I haven't been able to fit
it in because I didn't have time, or you could
create some kind of tracker around the habits themselves.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean having an open mind of that,
like how much time there is. I wrote on my
blog today actually about having a priority for last week
to run three times a week and get to the
end of day Thursday, and it hadn't happened at all, Right,
I hadn't run at all. But it turns out that Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday are three days and you can run on
those three days and still have run three times a week.
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So sometimes viewing time a little bit more broadly can
help with that.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes, all right, well this was a fun episode. We
are maybe expecting little feedback. We would love to know
your favoriteavorite wellness trends, your least favorite wellness trends. And
hopefully we didn't say anything too offensive.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I don't think we did. I think we could have
been far worse. All right.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Sarah, the question for this week Longtime Listener, writes in
that she is expecting her second child and time already
feels crunched with a toddler. She's a highly organized person
when it comes to day to day things, but big
picture planning is not always her favorite, whereas her husband
is more of the visionary and wants to talk all
things baby and long range planning for our family. Our
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first child is two and there are things we'd like
to do differently leading up to and following baby number
two's arrival. Would you be able to share your tips
for thinking through a second pregnancy and preparing for another
shift in our family? How would you recommend we plan
for this big change as we reflect on our parenting
journey so far.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I had fun thinking through this because I was like, well,
what would have what did I think through? And like,
what would it have helped me to actually think through
as it went from one to two?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
But when would you have been thinking you had like
a fourteen month old, like.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
While I was taking walks with her in the ergo
and pretending it was a weighted best all right, So
concrete things that you could think about would be does
it make sense to rethink your childcare? Like, is this
the moment when it makes sense to go from daycare
to nanny, which we did when we went from one
kid to two kids? How will you ensure that this
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was a really big thing on my mind? And I'm
sure you're already thinking about it, but like, how will
you make sure that older kid still feels like they
get great to one on one attention when you also
have a baby?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Manage?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
What'll be some things you might be able to preserve
just doing with them? What kinds of family fun will
still be doable with a newborn in tow and honestly
a lot because if you're aready dealing with a toddler,
probably a lot of those things will translate very nicely
to a newborn. But that will be a reassuring train
of thought most likely, how will you get some extra
help with your toddler if pregnancy fatigue sets in or
if you just feel horrendous, like, will there be kind
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of a pop off out for you because you might
need one? And then finally all those space related stuff
because I feel like, you know, having your baby and
your tiny apartment works, and then you add two and
all of a sudden, it's like ah. Although Tyler Moore
of Tidy Dad would say that you should question those assumptions.
You can fit multiple kids in a small apartment if
you do it right.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, I would say the childcare and space are the
two that are probably most going to matter.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That there might be a.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Benefit in having some childcare outside of regular working hours
if it's one kid is one thing, multiple kids like,
especially if you're trying to get a baby down and
a toddler is screaming for your attention. If you're parenting
on your own in the evenings frequently, for instance, that
would be an occasion to get an extra set of
hands for you can also, and the space is a
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practical one too, But I think a lot of life
ideas don't necessarily survive encounters with your actual children. Like
you may have philosophies about how you intend to parent
or have family culture or whatever, and some of those
will work and some absolutely will not because they just
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do not work with your particular child, and that is
just something you may have.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
To roll with.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But you could at least think about it if you want, Like,
this would be a fun thing to do, Like I thought,
this would be a fun family culture to have, so
now as our family is growing, we can introduce this idea.
And again, I think a lot of the bigger stuff
you're just gonna have to see how it works with
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your kids. But like it can be fun little things
like we are a family that always has a huge
Arbor Day celebration, I don't know. We are the family
that always takes photos in matching jammys on Halloween. We
are a family who Those are the kinds of things
you might decide would be fun to do and try
with and could probably make happen.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And they can be experiments, just like our little thirty
day health ones. See if it works, see.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
If it works, see if it doesn't. But like you
have to have sort of be flexible in general. But
if you have a one kid, you can handle two.
I mean it's just it's just more juggling.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
So and if you can handle two, you can handle fun,
you can handle three, you can handle three. All right,
Sarah Love of the week. What do you have this week?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
So we mentioned strength training and some people just hate
it or are scared of it. And I would say,
for me, one of the easiest gateway drunks are like
it would be to actually try the Peloton strength classes.
And I have no Peloton affiliation. Peloton is obviously known
for like cycling and cardio and being really sweaty, but honestly,
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their strength library is enormous and has things that are
like ten minutes long for beginners, and it has things
that are you know, hour. They have programs, they have standalones,
they have a million different styles, they have yoga, they
have stretching like they're not cardio. Offerings are immense and
I pay something like it's under fifteen dollars per month
for however many you want to do. So I just
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think if you haven't tried that, that might not be
the answer, but it's one possible answer of many.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, Well I'm gonna throw out the Mason Perrier forever.
Lime I may have mentioned this before, but sparkling water
yet out not as good as a craft beer. But
if you've decided, in the interest of wellness that having
a craft beer on a Tuesday is a bad idea, then.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
The uh Perier is a nice substitute. Oh, we could
have included that. Well, it was long enough. That's long enough.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yes, all right, Well, this has been best of both worlds.
We've been talking wellness trends in a way to reset.
We will be back next week with more on making
work and life fit together.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the
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Speaker 1 (41:58):
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Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
This episode is airing in early August of twenty twenty five.
We are going to be talking wellness trends, what is
hot in the world of wellness today, and whether we
are trying any of these said trends. And then we
are also going to pivot into a discussion of how
to reset. A lot of wellness is about getting a
(01:05):
fresh start, but there are lots of ways one can
have a fresh start in life. So if you are
looking for that at this time of year, summer, we
will be discussing ways to do that. So, Sarah, this
episode is your baby.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I am in charge today and why am I in charge?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Because Laura may.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Or may not be that excited about very many well
on this trends, as you are about to find out.
But I thought it was an interesting topic because people
are always debating this stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
At the water cooler.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You know, this or that protein or fat, macrocounting or that.
I don't know, and I just thought it would be
interesting to do an episode where we did a rundown
on our thoughts about various things, either because we've tried
them or just because we've thought about them. And this
is not supposed to be an episode with medical recommendations
or like the end all be all, like we are right,
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we know the answer to these things. But I think
with any of this kind of I don't know, trending
thing that you might want to try, it's always interesting
to hear different perspectives, and so you're going to provide
those today because fun fact, Laura and I don't always
share the same perspective on all of these wellness trends,
although sometimes we do.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Hey, yeah, fun fact, I actually recently reviewed a book
for The Wall Street Journal by Amy Larroca called How
to Be Well that was on wellness trends. She's a
long time magazine editor who wrote a book that was
kind of skewering a lot of various wellness trends.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
She tried out various things that sound terrible, like colonics
and making fun of the various It was mostly about
the wellness trends aimed at women. She was pointing out
that in the past, women were pressured to be skinny.
Now you need to be skinny and have this glow
that's obtained through like your vegan food and clean makeup
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and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And it may seem a little bit more empowering, but
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It is exactly the same idea of making you conform
to some view of what women are supposed to be like.
Although some of this is aimed at men too. There
are lots of things aimed at men trying to be
masters of the universe with trying various ridiculous things. I mean,
there's some examples, she used of a guy who was
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using expensive hearing aids in public even though there's nothing
wrong with his hearing, or the people monitoring their blood
glucose constantly, who again are not diabetic.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
A lot of that is this may be the first
I love that part. Can we add it in.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Okay, Actually, I'm going to give you my hot take
on that, which is that like it's information, it's information, Yes,
I mean, but then I think there's also this idea
that like you're supposed to keep your blood sugar like,
you know, at ninety all day long and it's never.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Supposed to ever bow up. Yeah. I don't think there's
a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Of data to actually support that, and yet some of
oh my god, I went to one twenty two when
it came down like, yeah, that's physyllogy, not pathology.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So I guess I am.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But I also feel like if it shows you which foods,
first of all, insulin resistance is pretty common, and if
it shows you which foods bring your blood sugar way
up and stay up and you are and they are
not the best foods, then again might be personally valuable,
but I think maybe being overused in very specific segments
of the population.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yes, all right, Well, moving on from there, All right, Sarah,
where are we starting with the wellness trends?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We're just gonna start with a really easy one, easier
than that one because we already talked about it, and
that is cold plunges.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
There's gonna be a whole other episode on cold.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Plunges, the Cold Plunge episode where we do a live
cold plunge on the Yeah, I love it for you
if you love cold plunges, but I am gonna live
my life without doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That's my plan.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I do like going from like a hot hot tub
to a less hot heated pool in Montana where you
get to like put your feet in the snow for
a minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That's like the closest.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But I'm I've read some of the like I looked
up data and I didn't I was unimpressed. And I
I think if you love them, you should do them.
But I don't think you should expect some sort of
magic to happen.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I hate being cold in general, so not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
There are places that actually in addition to like cold
pledging into like water or something that you can actually
like pay to go in and you know, like a
cold room and yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, yeah, no, okay. Moving on protein.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Protein is an interesting one because I do read some
things that are like, oh my gosh, protein is so
overhyped because you only really need X amount of grams,
And then I see other things that are like for
successful aging and building muscle mass through strength training, you need,
you know, a really good amount of protein, and I
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think the truth lies in between with many of these things. However,
for me a personal experiment kind of perspective, I kind
of like protein. I'm on the protein train. I feel
more satiated when I eat something like twenty plus grams
of protein at each meal, and I definitely did not
always eat that amount of protein.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It doesn't always have to be meat either.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
There's like some reasonable sources of protein that are either
dairy or even vegan.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's harder, but there's some.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I guess from what I have gleaned and read,
it does seem like there might be an association of
getting enough protein I don't know exactly where that threshold
is and preserving muscle mass, which I think does make
a lot of sense, would be associated with successful aging.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So I guess I'm pro protein.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Laura, Well, how about this, like if somebody was trying
to do this, Like what does that actually look like
when you're saying I wasn't getting enough protein at different
meals or snacks, Like what did you actually add to.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So well, first of all, I think actually Knowing what
has protein and calculating how much you're getting is important
because you might think, oh, this is like super healthy,
and maybe it is super healthy in other ways. But
for example, a breakfast which I used to eat and
consider pretty healthy and I still eat sometimes anyway, oatmeal,
peanut butter and like a fruit okay, that does not
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actually have very much protein at all. It might explain
why despite having a pretty decent amount of calories depending
on how much peanut butter you add, you're like hungry
two and a half hours later and searching for something
and versus something like eggs or cottage cheese and granola
and a fruit which tends to be like my new
favorite thing that is just like going to keep me
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full longer, And who doesn't want to just be able
to not have to take a break in the middle
of patients because my breakfast was more satiating.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
For me, that seems to have benefit. Plus the idea
that maybe it would help some more muscle growth kind
of stick on me after my workout. Like again, maybe
that's not entirely true, but if it does sway the
pendulum and I like both options, then for me kind
of makes sense, But I think understanding how much you
are getting and then starting to understand the value the
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amount that is present in various foods, Like certain things
people underestimate, Like I don't think people realize that bread
does have some protein. For example, it's not a zero
protein food. I think the Frugal Girl recently posted she
had like this open faced tuna melt. It was like
a piece of bread, pile of tuna, and some cheese.
It was like thirty grams of protein or some huge amount.
But I do think understanding like what those numbers are
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and what you're aiming for can actually be helpful, or
at least it's been helpful for me.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, this is in the category of things I'm not
terribly worried about because I have two eggs for breakfast
basically every single morning, so breakfast is already that check
with fruit.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
But then I probably eat.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
More meat than I should anyway, So if that is
the case, like meat tends to have protein.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And a lot of protein.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean a lot of times for lunch, I'm having
leftovers from the night before, and I would say almost
all of our meals would have had some meat in them.
That was a dinner, so then that you wind up
having meat for lunch too, which I think some people
might not have done it. There might be people having
a peanut butter sandwich or something like that for lunch,
and that would not be the case for me. I
would be having whatever tacos we had from the night before,
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that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And you know, this does sort of extend to kids
a little bit, and maybe not with the same end goal.
But if your kids drive you nuts because they do
ask for a snack an hour after the mule, which
is just logistically irritating, then I've started to try to
be like, Okay, does anything on your plate have protein
in it? Okay, Well, if not, go find a yogurt
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That We're struggling with this with the picky eater in
my family, who is also growing rapidly right now, because
what can you do, Like, there's only so many forms
of protein that pass muster.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Although knowing his preferences, some of them do have protein, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, chicken nuggets, yes, I mean, I guess you can
eat check you do cheese sticks, cheese sticks or cheese sticks. Yeah,
you could do cheese sticks. There's a lot of cheese
being consumed. I can tell you that piles of individually
wrapped cheeses that are consumed.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
They're keeping him alive and growing, keeping.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Him alive like that. The chicken nuggets, well, that is
what it is.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
But how about the sticks? Well, should we take a
quick ad break or and then get a quick ad
break and then we'll be back with more wellness trends. Well,
we are back talking wellness trends and then ways to reset. Sarah,
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what about lifting weights?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
That's not really a trend, is it?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's a Oh, it's totally a trend right now because
all of the and we're going to get to like
perimenopause being talked about. And I really people might say, well,
you're just noticing that because you're of that age, but
I actually do not think that's I mean, that is
part of it. But I also think that like everyone's like,
what wasn't talked about before? And it's true, I feel
like I still would have paid some attention and there
just wasn't that much. And now there's this whole wellness
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cohort that's like how do you age well? And one
of the ways to do that is to lift heavy
and I mean, I kind of think there's truth to
that one as well. Having done the end of one
experiment on myself, I knew for a fact and this
is even pre hard condition, pre everything that body composition wise,
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I do best when I am mostly strength training and
not doing a lot of cardio. I have in the
past made the choice to just ignore that because I
loved running and it was fun and stuff like that.
But if anybody remembers my Little Beach Body phase, yes
it's an MLM. It was not my favorite company ever,
but they had some great workouts and I had a
nice time, and that's kind of where I guess I
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sort of learned to strength train. And I know there's
even much more serious forms of it where you're lifting
way more weights than the up to twenty five pound
dumbbells that I have at home. But I really do
kind of buy into the idea that loading your muscles
helps grow those muscles, and metabobblically active tissue on your
body does good things for you from a health perspective,
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from a I can move into my later year's perspective,
and from an aesthetic perspective. So I'm very on board
with this trend and I'm fine that it's trendy because
if there are more ways to do it, or like
more studios that open up and more people talking about
how to do it, then great, great for everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I would say the one thing I like about
lifting weights strength training is it tends to take less time,
so there's like certain the physics of getting from one
place to another, even if you're running quite quickly, like
you're gonna be throwing hours at it as a physical
fitness kind of thing, whereas with strength training, you can
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do a couple minutes of it really honestly, and you're
still getting some benefit from doing it. So I work
out with a trainer once a week it's a thirty
minute thing, and then I probably repeat most of those
at some other point. But when I'm doing it on
my own, I'm really only doing like ten to fifteen minutes,
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and that's.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
About all I can stay entertained for. But I guess
it's it's better than nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It's I'm sure it's better than nothing. I'm sure it's significant.
And even if you do get to a point where like, okay,
maybe I'm not building muscle, but on my maintaining muscle,
you are just getting older, so that's kind of still.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
A win as I have.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yes, we are all getting older, that is true. But
here's something you're not as into. Weighted vests.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yes, oh my gosh, these are trending, and I don't know,
like I'm trying to think about myself and like, okay,
to be fair, like this is not an exercise that
I can safely do with the heart stuff that I have.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Like the whole point of a.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Weighted vest is it's making your cardio harder and like
more stress on your heart. So like I wouldn't do this,
and so part of me is maybe like, well, that's
why you're like that's dumb, because because I'm left out
or something.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
But I also.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Feel like, okay, when you're running, if you're carrying more weight,
like that's more stress on your joints, and isn't that
exactly what a weighted best is doing? And I guess
you're walking instead of running. But I also feel like
it's this weird middle ground between cardio and strength. I
guess for someone who wants to cardiovascular effect of running
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but then can't run for some reason like maybe or
hates to run, I could see that, although than I
would say, go find some hills or something like that,
because it would maybe be like a more natural movement.
I just yeah, I'm never gonna do this, and I
don't totally get it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But again, if you love it, then I love it
for you. I don't think it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, although I feel like you can wind up carrying
stuff in general.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That makes like.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Whatever you're doing, like I'm carrying a bag of groceries,
I like carrying a backpack. I'm getting you know, like
you're hiking and you need weight, like put water in
your backpack.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Like now you're carrying weight.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I mean it's like are you carrying your kids up
the steps or something like that. I don't know the
idea of creating artificial weight when you're doing these things
maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I guess it hasn't come up to me.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It just it would be like, oh, how to make
your walk unpleasant?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, make yourself like how you felt walking when you
were pregnant.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That doesn't seem like more fun?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, no, Although now I'm like having flashbacks of like
walking around with the Ergo. But that was like cozy.
I mean it was heavy, but it was nice heavy.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, our kid in the backpack. We've Michael took a
lot of kids in our backpack.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That went through all five kids hiking backpack.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But yes, that has been retired now nobody's going on
the back anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So yeah, that's a that's the original weighted vest.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
That's the original weight invest like put your offspring on
your body somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No, all right, well we're not we're not big fans,
but I mean again, if you love it, you should,
you should enjoy it, all right, this one, you were like,
what even is that? And I don't know if I
would know if this was without a thirteen year old daughter.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
But everything is.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Clean, girl. Oh that's so clean girl. And it's like
it's like this aesthetic of like all your food looking
very green smoothie and all your rooms looking pink and empty.
And I guess I just like this is one of
those things where I'm like, oh, social media harms because
no one's actual life looks like that. And I don't
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find it inspiring whatsoever. I just find it irritating. And
I think more people should post pictures of the green
smoothie that exploded all over their kitchen.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's not the clean girl aesthetic. No, the messy girl,
it's the real life.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, okay, I didn't even know what that was, so
I heard it. Gosh, I read I.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Read some magazine for a while that they kept talking
about eating clean.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Is that a phrase? Like what is it?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I don't like that phrase even, like what what does?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What is dirty? Dirty? I don't know, probably think.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Dirty and that's you know, we have immune systems to
deal with that.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, but the idea being that trying to eat mostly
I guess, whole foods without and not ultra processed ingredients
and without.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Like dies or well that I don't have a chemicals
or something problem with. Yeah, although I think it can
be taken to a life disruptive level, which is kind
of sad, but within reason. But that's to me, that's
not clean girl, that's like the mid level of normalcy,
like before you get.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Up to yeah girl, Yeah, absolutely, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
All right, well here comes the juicy one GLP one medications.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, let's talk about it. What do you have to say, Sarah?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Okay, spoiler that I included this because I notice that,
like everyone uses this as clickbait, so everyone must want
to know what everyone else thinks of these I prescribe them,
so I don't have a problem with them at all. Actually,
I mean for the right customer. So they're FDA approved
for in kids and teens if you have a BMI
of a of over ninety five percent for your height
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and age for ages twelve and up, and they're also
approved for type two diabetes. And for some people they
are so so helpful and the benefits absolutely outweigh the risks.
Do I think they're overused in certain circles. I do
this is another like you do you? Like? I think
everyone should make their own choices, but I think it
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is important for everyone to understand some of the downsides.
And to me, my three big cautions are A. I
think so many people use them thinking I want to
use this for a little while, And I just think
that is such a slippery slope because most of the
data suggest that not all but most people gain the
weight back, and then you're sort of just setting yourself
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up for a life of like torturing yourself.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Like do I take it? How much? Do I take it?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Like it's just like another layer of and you have
many decades of life ahead of you, which is my hesitation.
In teens who are not that impacted by their weight.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
From a health.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Perspective, it's like, Ooh, are you ready for sixty years
taking these meds?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't know, So that's number one. Number two.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I think the hey, we're going back to muscle. I
think the muscle loss. I mean, there's there's data to
suggest it loves to take away muscle more than even
just you know, weight loss takes away muscle too, and
there are things you can do to mitigate that, like
strength training, but the rapid muscle loss that can happen
can set you up for a very bad yoo situation,
especially if you then plan to go off because guess what,
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you're getting back weight and you're not getting back muscle,
and then you're like metabolically worse off than when you started.
And I just think people need to understand that risk.
And then finally, I guess there's a black box of
again if you're signing up to take a medicine like
this and you're being realistic, which means if you want
to sustain that late weight loss, you're taking them for
a very long time. We don't really know what like
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fifty years of taking these meds does, like maybe after
twenty years everyone's eyeballs fell off, Like I don't, probably not,
but like.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It would be unfortunately, don't assume me no.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Notice that's just theoretical, but like, yeah, I just think
there is a little bit of uncertainty that people are
trading for. Well, I feel better now and absolutely in
many situations, and I've seen them it's worth that risk.
Like I've seen people's lives change for the better. It
makes me so happy. And I see patients whose lives
are like just incredibly limited by their weight, and if
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this can help them, then it can be worth a
lot of those trade offs. So that is my clinician perspective. No,
I have not used them. Yeah myself, I do not
meet criteria.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, no, I mean I wonder how we will see
this play out over time. I mean certainly I think
the early versions of it, it's people have had such
side effects with nausea and things like that that the
trade off is again, if you're extremely overweight, there can
be a lot of upsides. It's like, if you're only
trying to lose what like fifteen pounds, then probably wouldn't
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be worth it.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
For that, but who knows. Maybe people will change over time.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
What the drugs are out there, maybe there will be
some sort of lifestyle version of it that's lighter, that
only has a take.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A little bit of the Yeah, there's oral Novo Nordis
has an oral one on the pipeline that's supposed to
be a lot weaker. And then there's also like a
turbocharged another injectable coming down the pike, and I'm sure
that's just a tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So yeah, well early days of that. I mean, it's
so good that there at least is something, though, I mean,
oh my gosh, that's where I've seen. I'm so fascinated
because before these drugs existed, I think you're getting into
this space where there was the body positivity movement, which
I'm in general all about body positivity, and then some
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of those body positivity influencers suddenly got really really skinny, right,
It is like, okay, so it actually wasn't a philosophical position.
It was that the current trade offs required to get
that physique, it would have taken so much time and
effort and unpleasantness, like in mental space, that it wasn't
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worth it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I would think that would be really hard for some
of them because if you've built your lovelihood around that.
Then you're like, I want to use these MUDs, but
I can't because then I'm gonna lose my I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I think people still, I mean a lot of people,
even who are body positivities.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
If want to be skinny, I don't know, obviously.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
But I will still follow this world, and I am
not sad that I'm staying out of that.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. All Right, Well, we're gonna take one
more quick ad break and then we'll be back with
maybe tiny bit more on wellness and getting to our
reset part of this episode.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
All right, we'll take that down break. All right, we're back.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Turns out we have a lot to say about wellness
because we are far into the episode, all right, but
we cannot leave wellness without talking about meditation definitely has
been trending for at least the last few decades. I
guess that's a weird thing to say about, like an
art practation practice that's like part of actual religions, But
it's also true and probably not a insignificant market share
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when you think of all the apps and things that
people do.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I like it, firstly, I like it.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I don't see it as a magic bullet. I see
it as a little vitamin.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah. I think I have not ever decided to make
this a part of my life, like an actual practice.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Maybe it would have benefits. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I often will go out and walk or run and
let my mind wander while I'm doing that. Like I
don't listen to music, so I have some of that
time that I think is what people are getting at
with meditation.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, I mean I don't think there's magic. I think
I enjoy it, like I enjoy the practice of sitting
down and like being peaceful and like letting my mind
slow down. I think if I found it torturous, there
probably would not be as much well a benefit. But
be readson to continue because I don't think it's like, oh,
this is magically doing something. But I think it can
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be an enjoyable way to practice, an enjoyable part of
your routine that might have some lingering positive things for me.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Absolutely, Okay, wearables, Sarah, wearables, are you on that?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes? And no. I have an Apple Watch.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I really love how it just keeps telling me all
sorts of things like, oh my god, your cardio fitness
is going down. And you used to do more activity
and you should just keep moving more. And I'm like, well,
if you were really that smart, you would know better.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So I don't know. I still like my Apple Watch.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I don't really care that much about all the things
that it's tracking, so I guess, yeah, I'm like here
nor there. I think steps can be a really helpful
thing to track for certain people. And I like the
fact that I can get any kidge at any time.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's very convenient. I've never worn an or ring.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I feel like I would enjoy wearing one to find
out what it thought about my sleep for like a week,
but then i'd want to give it back. But some
people love them. And I will say my husband is
an unexpected like he's the kind of person who just
like every single one of these things we're talking about.
He's like, eh, but he had a running watch that
tracked sleep and he was like, actually, that was helpful,
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and it changed a little bit about how he was
trying to sleep because it told him that he had
like no sleep pat in at all.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And he's like, well, that's not good.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't know why he didn't realize that without the watch,
but he didn't, and so it actually was helpful for him,
and so your mileage may vary.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Don't expect miracles.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, well, the step counter, I mean, if you have
your phone on you a lot of the day, I
mean a phone is tracking your steps, like the iPhone
is and the health.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But I don't have it on me.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's always sitting on various desks and I'm walking around,
so that is I.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Mean, mine's not with me in my office or like
from walking back and forth to the kitchen necessarily, but
a lot of the major like moving around in the
day would be recorded on it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
And yeah, I think that gets a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
So you kind of already have that from the step perspective, Yeah,
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I mean I tracked my time.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I mean people know that I track my time pretty religiously,
but have not decided to have any wearables doing it
for me.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So I track my sleep without it. I guess it
seems like it's good enough sleep.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I haven't haven't needed to do that, all right, maybe
one or two more?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Do we have to do? Both of these? I mean
they're very fine.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Digital detoxing, Laura, I like my digital devices.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I think you just have to decide how you're going
to deal with it, and if you, it's what I say, like,
make sure you have enough effortful fun in your life
that the effortless variety of fun is not the only
thing you are doing. A lot of people spend more
time than they think they are spending on their phones,
looking at social media, reading headlines. Those are electronic hobbies,
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like we could just call them electronic hobbies. And you
are devoting perhaps hours a day to your electronic hobbies,
and so maybe you can decide, well, is that what
I want to be my primary hobby or I rather
have something else like reading, calling friends, doing puzzles, knitting,
arts and crafts, playing a musical instrument. All those other
things might be things that you could do in some
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of that discretionary time as well, And that's certainly what
I try to do.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I think it is my favorite favorite digital detox modality
is do something else, Like fully do something else so
that you're not But I will say, as I drop
my kids off at camp today, my older kids were like,
we're excited not to have screens, So I don't know.
I also think the idea of taking a vacation where
I'm totally unreachable and off the grid, although that has
lusted with screen use and more to do with is
(27:38):
just like everyone leave me alone is very appealing. So
I guess if I could have like a protected digital
detox of some sort, I would totally do it. Otherwise,
I think I agree with Laura's take on things. And
then finally, we cannot end a wellness episode without asking
about life coaches.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Oh, dear Sarah, do you have thoughts?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yes and no, I don't feel as like, okay, if
a life coach is a person that is going to
get you to really think through what you want and
maybe think through how various goals are not being met
and troubleshoot around that. I actually took like a wellness
coaching certification at one point. It was we were setting
something up for residents and so it was covered and
(28:25):
I did it.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
It's called well.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Coaches, And I mean, I can see the value in that,
just like I see the value in like the fact
that some people land with me and I'm helping them
to do a specific thing and give themselves time to
think through things that they weren't going to give themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
However, that is like great.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And then we have a lot of coaches who either
are trying to be a sub for therapy and kind
of telling people that they'll fix everything, and then others
who are selling very unrealistic things, especially financial things like
I will make you rich as long as you pay
me a lot of money, and I will make you
rich by turning you into a coach, which I'm like,
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that is the pyramidius pyramid. Ever, like, how is that
not labeled a pyramid, because like there's only going to
be so many coaches and coaches in the world, and
at the end of the day, like if you're not
one of those early coaches, like you are just okay,
so you get what I'm saying. So I guess just
be very very careful out there. But I don't think
the whole field is bad. I think some people probably
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you know, like I wouldn't even say no, would I
never work with a life coach, like a one on
one individual type of relationship. That's just more like protected
guided thought than it is I'm expecting miracles from this
person who's going to give them all to me.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, I'd say just be careful out there, right, Like
cold plunge whatever is not going to do anything to you.
But there's a lot of snake oil in the form
of people wanting to make a buck in this field,
as people want to make money in any field, but
it's not necessarily very clear who's helpful and who isn't.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
If you are going to go with one, make sure.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You've vetted the person and have like friends or colleagues
who find them really helpful in a very concrete way,
like they can point to something they have done differently
as a result and view it with the goal of, Yes,
I want a person to hold me accountable and I
want protected time to think through my goals, and this
is the way I'm going to get that in my life.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And I know that about myself. I think then it
could work.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
But otherwise, yeah, I'm not sure that that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I don't think it should cost thousands of dollars either.
I just don't like, I don't think there's anyone worth that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I was reading I've a book. I
won't mention the title because it's a popular one, but
about somebody who paid many, many, many tens of thousand
dollars to a particular coach with the idea that it
was then going to force her to hustle and build
the business too.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, they should have just paid me.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I would have happily forced her to hustle.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Interesting, let's just say that you will never read that
in one of myself help books. So we have a
different approach in life. I'm not going to pay someone
a bunch to the enforce me to hustle. That will
not be happening, like to decide on my own when
I'm going to hustle. So, anyway, ways to reset? So
we kind of thought we'd make a combo episode. I
guess maybe because I thought there wasn't enough to say
about wellness. But Sarah likes the topic.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
More than I do, so we're just going to do
a lightning round. So a lot of wellness is about
ways to.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Feel sort of fresh, new sense of possibility, and so
we're talking about what are some ways that we do
look to reset in life? If you're looking for a reset,
what can you do? So, Sarah, you have some sort
of daily rituals that help with this, right.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I find that setting up my planner page every day
and like migrating my task from the day before and
like sort of closing that day, Like my whole morning
thing provides a really really nice reset. And it's one
reason that I really like daily planners.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, well I do. I mean I plan weekly. I
mean I do give myself a to do list for
each day. Like so at the end of each day,
a fresh area, a fresh area, make myself a to
do list for the next day, and then each day
is in fact a fresh start. I love the idea
of the day starting and you get your coffee and
you sit down and it's all open. On Monday morning,
I look at my time log for the next week
(32:21):
and it's all open. But one of the reasons I
like my weekly planning is well, whatever happened this week,
whatever I've gotten done. Next week is a new week,
and here are the things I'm going to focus on,
and I have my ideas of what needs to happen
and how I'm going to happen.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And that makes me feel like a bit of a
reset there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I also, if I'm like struggling with a particular habit
or you know, like I'm like, ah, Reddit, I need
to quit again doing some kind of like manifesto, you know,
like just figuring out like okay, like what do I
really want going forward? What isn't working? Maybe writing out
some like the way I want it to be. In
discussing with a friend, I have done this. Does it
work forever on everything?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
But it can provide a really nice, helpful fresh start.
And then every day is different, and if you have
some successful days from something like this, then they count too.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So physically cleaning up can we need to be careful
with this. Life does not begin when you put your
house in order. You can live your life whatever your
house looks like. I feel like that's a message that
is more feeding on sort of women's insecurities of like, oh, well,
how can you dare do anything until everything is picked up? No,
(33:27):
you can go have your fun even if your kid's
toys are still out on the playroom floor, Like, don't
have that mindset. That said, if you're feeling a little
like and again we don't want to procrastinate here, but
sometimes if your desk is messy, spending fifteen minutes cleaning
it up can make you feel a little bit more
excited about starting work. If your bedroom is feeling a
(33:48):
bit cluttered and you're finding it hard to relax, spending
fifteen minutes tidying things up in there might make it
feel a little bit more like you could at least
shut the door and sit in there and enjoy a
bit of relaxation from the rest of the house's clutter.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Another thing is if you have a specific health habit,
you're trying to work on finding somebody that inspires you,
and again, try to find someone that you got to
be careful with this because there's a lot of stuff
out there. But once you find someone who's a fit,
then great binge. Listen to their podcast or you know,
read their website or whatever it is. But like you
want to get into running, you find people that you
(34:22):
really respect that are going to inspire you. But I
have definitely done that with various things. I've read a
lot of books about various digital detox types of things
that I've found helpful and inspiring to like create the
screen relationship I want over the years. So that's my example.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You might also try some sort of mini challenge of sorts,
explicitly saying I am not saying I'm going to do
this for the rest of my life, but for thirty days,
I am going to do X and you can try
it out. See if you have sort of that motivational
energy to take you through thirty days, or if there's
too many logistical challenges, then I guess that's not going
to work. But you don't feel like you fail for
(35:00):
the rest of your life is start something else.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
But little mini.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Experiments can be a fun way to reset and try
something new.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yes, and then finally we had track it. Whether that
is your time when they're trying to figure out different habits,
sometimes it's actually not the habits you want to track,
but your time around those habits, especially if you're telling
yourself the story that I haven't been able to fit
it in because I didn't have time, or you could
create some kind of tracker around the habits themselves.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean having an open mind of that,
like how much time there is. I wrote on my
blog today actually about having a priority for last week
to run three times a week and get to the
end of day Thursday, and it hadn't happened at all, Right,
I hadn't run at all. But it turns out that Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday are three days and you can run on
those three days and still have run three times a week.
(35:48):
So sometimes viewing time a little bit more broadly can
help with that.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes, all right, well this was a fun episode. We
are maybe expecting little feedback. We would love to know
your favoriteavorite wellness trends, your least favorite wellness trends. And
hopefully we didn't say anything too offensive.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I don't think we did. I think we could have
been far worse. All right.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Sarah, the question for this week Longtime Listener, writes in
that she is expecting her second child and time already
feels crunched with a toddler. She's a highly organized person
when it comes to day to day things, but big
picture planning is not always her favorite, whereas her husband
is more of the visionary and wants to talk all
things baby and long range planning for our family. Our
(36:32):
first child is two and there are things we'd like
to do differently leading up to and following baby number
two's arrival. Would you be able to share your tips
for thinking through a second pregnancy and preparing for another
shift in our family? How would you recommend we plan
for this big change as we reflect on our parenting
journey so far.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I had fun thinking through this because I was like, well,
what would have what did I think through? And like,
what would it have helped me to actually think through
as it went from one to two?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
But when would you have been thinking you had like
a fourteen month old, like.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
While I was taking walks with her in the ergo
and pretending it was a weighted best all right, So
concrete things that you could think about would be does
it make sense to rethink your childcare? Like, is this
the moment when it makes sense to go from daycare
to nanny, which we did when we went from one
kid to two kids? How will you ensure that this
(37:25):
was a really big thing on my mind? And I'm
sure you're already thinking about it, but like, how will
you make sure that older kid still feels like they
get great to one on one attention when you also
have a baby?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Manage?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
What'll be some things you might be able to preserve
just doing with them? What kinds of family fun will
still be doable with a newborn in tow and honestly
a lot because if you're aready dealing with a toddler,
probably a lot of those things will translate very nicely
to a newborn. But that will be a reassuring train
of thought most likely, how will you get some extra
help with your toddler if pregnancy fatigue sets in or
if you just feel horrendous, like, will there be kind
(37:54):
of a pop off out for you because you might
need one? And then finally all those space related stuff
because I feel like, you know, having your baby and
your tiny apartment works, and then you add two and
all of a sudden, it's like ah. Although Tyler Moore
of Tidy Dad would say that you should question those assumptions.
You can fit multiple kids in a small apartment if
you do it right.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, I would say the childcare and space are the
two that are probably most going to matter.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That there might be a.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Benefit in having some childcare outside of regular working hours
if it's one kid is one thing, multiple kids like,
especially if you're trying to get a baby down and
a toddler is screaming for your attention. If you're parenting
on your own in the evenings frequently, for instance, that
would be an occasion to get an extra set of
hands for you can also, and the space is a
(38:48):
practical one too, But I think a lot of life
ideas don't necessarily survive encounters with your actual children. Like
you may have philosophies about how you intend to parent
or have family culture or whatever, and some of those
will work and some absolutely will not because they just
(39:09):
do not work with your particular child, and that is
just something you may have.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
To roll with.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But you could at least think about it if you want, Like,
this would be a fun thing to do, Like I thought,
this would be a fun family culture to have, so
now as our family is growing, we can introduce this idea.
And again, I think a lot of the bigger stuff
you're just gonna have to see how it works with
(39:36):
your kids. But like it can be fun little things
like we are a family that always has a huge
Arbor Day celebration, I don't know. We are the family
that always takes photos in matching jammys on Halloween. We
are a family who Those are the kinds of things
you might decide would be fun to do and try
with and could probably make happen.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And they can be experiments, just like our little thirty
day health ones. See if it works, see.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
If it works, see if it doesn't. But like you
have to have sort of be flexible in general. But
if you have a one kid, you can handle two.
I mean it's just it's just more juggling.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
So and if you can handle two, you can handle fun,
you can handle three, you can handle three. All right,
Sarah Love of the week. What do you have this week?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
So we mentioned strength training and some people just hate
it or are scared of it. And I would say,
for me, one of the easiest gateway drunks are like
it would be to actually try the Peloton strength classes.
And I have no Peloton affiliation. Peloton is obviously known
for like cycling and cardio and being really sweaty, but honestly,
(40:47):
their strength library is enormous and has things that are
like ten minutes long for beginners, and it has things
that are you know, hour. They have programs, they have standalones,
they have a million different styles, they have yoga, they
have stretching like they're not cardio. Offerings are immense and
I pay something like it's under fifteen dollars per month
for however many you want to do. So I just
(41:09):
think if you haven't tried that, that might not be
the answer, but it's one possible answer of many.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, Well I'm gonna throw out the Mason Perrier forever.
Lime I may have mentioned this before, but sparkling water
yet out not as good as a craft beer. But
if you've decided, in the interest of wellness that having
a craft beer on a Tuesday is a bad idea, then.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
The uh Perier is a nice substitute. Oh, we could
have included that. Well, it was long enough. That's long enough.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yes, all right, Well, this has been best of both worlds.
We've been talking wellness trends in a way to reset.
We will be back next week with more on making
work and life fit together.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the
shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,
and you.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This
has been the best of both worlds podcasts.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Please join us next time for more on making work
and life work together.
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