Radio Better Offline: Kyle Barr, Alex Cranz & Michael Fisher

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Al Zone Media.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, and welcome to Better Offline. I am, of course
your host ed Zittron and we are in a very
intimate podcast studio on like ninth Avenue and it's a

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wonderful day. The last episode we got lost, but it
will not be happening this time. All of you are
very kind with the notes you sent. One of you said,
why don't you take a back up? Thank you. We
never thought of that. It's not like there was another
issue that could have happened in the fucking radio station. Anyway,
Today we have a wonderful gizmos and do Dad's episode.
On my right, I have the wonderful Michael Fish and

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mister Muball himself.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Nice to be back. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm so happy to have you here. Alex Cran's the
wonderful gizmo and gadget queen.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, I'm so excited to talk about the gizmos.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Me too, And I'm knocking my phone over. That's staying
in the episode. That's where my elbow goes, and there
we go. That's what we do before every episode. And
Kyle Barr of Gizmoto is here as well.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Hello exists, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
He does exist. So this episode actually came from an
idea of I told you all this now went on
Amazon typed in gadgets because I was like, I haven't
like I mostly spend money on like diet coke and
occasional baseball games and flights and like weird protein snacks
I don't really like. So I was like, you know
what I want? I want some dude ads. I want
to see what gadgets are going typed in gadgets into Amazon.
Fuck all appeared. It was like phones and laptops. I'm like,

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I don't need a new phone or laptop. I'm happy
with those. I want something weird and stupid. And I
genuinely was like, wait, why is it so hard to
find these? You go on a text site these days
it's all about fucking AI. So I brought you all
together to talk about the weird stuff you've been looking at.
And Michael, one of my favorite things you do is
you've been the flip phone foldable advocate, and honestly, I'm

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deeply jealous raw on Android. I'm so addicted to our message,
but so much.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Fun you have.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
So you've got you've got a device in front of you.
I do and the Honor Magic V five, which you
cannot buy here.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
One of the world. You cannot buy it here.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
One of the world's thinnest foldables, the thinnest foldable if
you decide to lie about it in your spec sheet.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah, and this thing is and obviously
we'll have links in there. But this thing is. You
can see the crease, but you can't really when you're
looking at it now. I find these things magnificent. I
realized that they're imperfect, but I think they're just lovely.
And there's rumors that Mark German was tweeting earlier about
Apples foldable. Please do it, Please do the Apple.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
That's all I want co sign Yeah, big agree.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean I want this, but not Android and sold
in the United States. Yeah, and no huge camera bump.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh see I like the camera bump. I think it
gives it all kinds of characters. I mean, slap a
big with the quad areo a quad stuff or whatever,
Slap a big one of those.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
So this thing has a giant circular like blob coming
out of it, like a moon crater, like the size
of a thing you would stick like a phone onto
a magnetic phone thing like a fairly large circle. I
prefer that to the weird boils coming off my eye
camera and you get a case on, so you've now

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got like a raised bit with three and I don't know,
I don't like that. I don't think it looks good.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I like that it captures all of the lint.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, anytime I put it in my pocket, there's a
bunch of crap and also just a new thing for
me to scratch.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, it's the best.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I think that that. What we're running up against, though,
is we're approaching the limits of the current interfaces we have.
I think that we are the current tablet phone interfaces
and the current laptop phone interfaces are just kind of
maxed out. And I'm wondering if the next thing is
just foldables and extendables and all this shit not. According
to Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg has he has

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reimagined his AI department four times in the last year.
It's so cool. I love that this. He's going to
apparently release a wrist.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, yeah, No, he's doing the risk stuff so for
better tracking.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
What is so do you have any idea, Alex what
he's doing?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah? So his whole conceit until AI came around, was
that the metaverse was going to be the next big
thing he's he's since changed his tune except for presumably
at what does it connect back in next month. And
one of the things he's doing is making it easier
to track. You track your hands and stuff when you
put on these headsets, whether it's the Apple Vision Pro

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or the the Oculus, which is cool, Yeah they're cool,
But when you put them on, you do hand tracking,
and it's kind of like okay, but not great.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, it's like good enough for some like games like
but even then you're just still using the controllers anyway, right.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
And and this this this bracelet and you know we've
seen this before. I think Leap did it like ten
years ago. Oh yeah, but it really is. It's meant
to just be better at tracking you and tracking your
hand booth.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
To be clear, you have to be in VR for
this to mean anything, right, you have to first have
on your head.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Be wearing glasses. That happened, That's that's a whole thing.
But they're they're moving towards the one day when they
can do the glasses. But we've been they've been everyone's
been promising glasses for ten years.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
But props though we have to I have to say
they're the ray bands are outstanding for a content capture.
I think we all agree on that they're They're really
really good from a phone call perspective for listening to music.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Phone cool work well the phone.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's just it's a Bluetooth connection to your phone, just
like earbuds.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, because you've got the putting my hands
in front of that mic. Take that back. Yeah yeah,
because you've got the microphones in the nose piece of
the glasses, so it listens really really well and you can.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Hear music using the glassy little speakers shooting into your ears.
Over They're really really good and some of the best
phone and love this.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah it's cool, but it's also meta.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Well. The tragedy of it is that those are practical
benefits that we all love about them, and they have
a pretty good camera, but Meta refuses to market them
as such because they want to market them as an
AI tool. So it's like, no, you got to use
meta AI to ask what you're looking at? And what
what's the best pool shot I can get on the Bible?
Like no, shut up.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I love that fucking use cases well because it's like
I don't walk around being like what the fuck is that?
What the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Just like, sorry, everyone, this is my first rodeo. Like
I'm just like constantly surprised by everything. Yeah, but I
hate that it's them. It's the onion thing, the worst
person you know.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, has a pretty good point.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
But the thing is, Kyle, you you actually talking of glasses.
You were looking at this Insta three sixty thing.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yep, when you were wearing these.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Robotic glasses, it was like connected to a drone. No,
this thing, I will link to it in the notes.
This thing looks fucking cool.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
So those glasses that almost make you look like Cayman Ryder,
like that Japanese superhero, it's all part of this giant
apparatus from Insta three sixty. You know they make three
sixty cameras, Okay, so what are they gonna do when
they make a drone? Well, they just slap a three
sixty camera on it, okay. But then they also add
the pair of goggles that's similar to the DGI goggle
that you already can get, but this one makes you

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able to kind of look around in a three sixty space.
As you're flying around, you literally can turn around and
see below, you see above, you see whatever is happening
around you. Is cool as far as like flying around, Uh,
you know, it's there's other drones like FPV drones, which
also have like a lot more maneuverability to capture first

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person view. So it's almost like your you can do
flips and stuff when.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
You're in a video game.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
So but this one is is more just like experiential.
You can say it's like a quote unquote immersive. That's
the word they like to use, but I prefer to
just say you're you're you're a big floating head in
a glass jar high above the.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Ground video games. That's just that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I like it, even though I know in your review
you like it's imperfect, there are issues, and actually what
were the issues you read?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
So, I mean it's not like the Best Flyer. There
was problems when you're trying to bank, it'll just stop.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
What does what do you mean by banking?

Speaker 5 (07:56):
When you're trying to turn Oh, like, uh, this isn't
actually a product yet, it's not out in the open
it's going to be in like twenty twenty six. This
is just like the first iteration, and they're trying to
show it off to people, and they're really trying to
make it like a thing. It's also going to cost
like probably more than two thousand dollars. I can already tell.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I can't hate the thing is. This is not meant
to be like for everyone. And I'm glad someone's doing
something different so much. You can look around a bit
if you go, like going in a weird canyon or something. Oh,
fly it like above something like. I like that. I'm
glad that there's something happening.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yes, because sorry, no, no, no please. I just covered something
that is almost exactly the opposite of this, right where
this is this total immersion thing that you use outside.
And I just got done covering Terminal, which is this
little tablet for the home.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I hate that thing.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh I'm excited to hear why you hate. Hold on,
let me tell you what it is. Terminal. Take out
all the vowels, because it is in fact two thousand
and eight. And you put this in your house, It's
like a one hundred and fifty bucks or something. It's
just an e ink screen that gives you ambient information
throughout the day. It's like one of these Google Home
or Amazon things that has a screen, except the screen
is much less distracting, and it is it only refreshes

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once every five minutes, and it doesn't listen to you,
doesn't do anything like that. It just tells you the weather,
tells you when the next train is, tells you how
many city bikes at your desk.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
But it doesn't always refresh, and so you're like, oh,
it's not going to rain, and then you just go
outside and you're like, well, whoops.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, so you're right, because it's it's this very hackery thing.
Not only do you have to tell it like it's
not like an iPad where you're like, okay, refresh every
five minutes. It's like, okay, now you have to go
in and tell all the tools you added that you
want them to refresh every five minutes too. It's like
a Pebble smart watch circa twenty twelve. It's like, okay,
well we've got a tweak it a message.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
You have to tweak it so much. But it was
I don't know, I really wanted to like it, but
the slow updates and it's just it's very hackery, and
I was like, I'm much old today. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Maybe it was just I appreciated it. I liked having
to put the effort in because here's the thing. I
take the ferry everywhere, right, I don't take a subway
because I don't have a subwey in my house. But
to do that you had to like go get the
API yourself from the Fairy website and like plug it
in and do that.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
It was fun, though, you want a nerd out, I'm nerding.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Okay, now this is great. No, you're right, I know.
I like this whole thing. And is it super customizable?
So it just requires the API?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean depending on what you want to do.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, and it's like what one hundred bugs.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Hundred and fifty, Yeah, it's just a little any subscription no, wow.
So is it when you say the API from the ferry,
do you can you code? Did you have to code
it in or is it just you give it a
total like API token and it refreshed that day.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Doing kind of stolen stolen valor for nerds because I'm like, no,
you're just follow the instruction of the thing. And copy
your paste of That's fine.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Someone smarter than us has come back that I love.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I put a table of contents into my newsletter today
and I had to like learn get my editor to
do the HTML and then explain how it works. Yeah,
this is That's part of being online. It's like learning
standing on the shoulders of giants. Like like, you get
two kinds of reeditors. You get the one that's just like,
I'm just a casual racist, and then you've got the
one which is like, I'm actually the in homebrew on

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PlayStation portables, and I'm like in the middle of you too.
I like the idea, but as ever, I'm like, what
shit do I actually need to know every few seconds
other than like what the last thing someone posted was?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, I think if I were if I was like
a YouTuber, if I was doing that sort of stuff,
I probably want it more. I'm just in my house
smoking weed. So it's like, I just need to know
am I going to get rained on when I go
sit on the deck. And it's sometimes good at that
And I haven't plugged it in in at least.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
A month, give it another ago.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, I'll plug it in when I get home.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
This actually reminded me of something that you've posted about
Kyle as well, which is the GPD Win five, which
is a one of Cranz's favorite industries, the little the
portable PC things. It's so fun because we're talking about
like real just like rinky dnk shit. It has an
external battery. Yep.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
So imagine you know, you got your steam deck like handheld,
except you know, the battery life keeps dying. You're like, oh,
that sucks. If only it had a bigger battery. Well,
they have a bigger battery. It's just attached to a cable.
You just you have to you can slap it onto
the back of it.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Have you held it yet? No?

Speaker 5 (12:04):
No, I mean a lot of these companies, like you know,
a lot of the jankier handhelds are all like China
based companies. Oh yeah, they're all just like cranking them
out routinely, like GPD. This is the fifth one.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
So I have the GPD in wind four. Yeah, and
it is I love it and I fucking hate it.
It is so large. It is so much larger than
It doesn't feel as large until you've used it for
one minute and you're.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like, oh, but it scratches that itch, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh it does. It feels just like a PlayStation portable
if I take three of them together. But I went
and watched the video and this thing just for for
the on in this ship is just a Windows tablet
in a PlayStation portable handheld for and it's cool when
it works. You can play Hades two and it looks great,
feels great.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
They took the keyboard off this year. It's not it
doesn't a keyboard, no Q.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
So that's why I swear there's one with a keyboard
you can slide up that feels like. I'm pretty yeah.
And I like GPD by the way, because they do
just crank out these insane looking like, yeah, you've got
a ten and ten point four inch tiny laptop with
the worst keepboard you've used in the world. It sucks,
but it rules, and you're like, ooh, why did you

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make this? Who's buying this? And it's like every Kickstar
is ten many that you're like, ah, criminal enterprises.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
No one is buying these things, but we are all
loving that.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I love that they're experimenting. But I actually this is
my Contrussia. I don't mind the external battery.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
I don't either.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Is the weird thing, because okay, I've I already have
to do that, like with my switch to I just
rew there's a case that I got that has the
external battery. You slap it onto the back and now
it's lasting four hours instead of two. You already kind
of have to do that with a lot of these handles,
unless you're just sitting at home playing it on your
bed where you have the cable right next to you
and you're like, I'm running lout, plug it in and

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go do something else or something.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
You know. Yeah, you get the ten foot USBC cable. Yeah,
and then you get the even longer power cable and
you plug everything together and you suddenly got twenty feet
of reach.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right. I've seen I've I seen a few people derisively
talking about this external battery situation. It's like, I don't know.
I love my rog x ally, I really do, but
the motherfucker if you leave it, it's like you hit
sleep and it just you're like, this will sleep, and
you come back in an hour and it's dead. It's
just a world cup.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Wait, well that's because the windows machines really struggle with
powering down.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like I'm just gonna say, I'm glad nothing has changed
in Windows for the last twenty years.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Never Yeah, it will never change. Windows will always be
the most inconsistent handling of power.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I think Microsoft is truly evil. I think like they
have like such an open goal here with handhelds. They
have companies. I know that they're doing an Xbox rog
ally x and I saw fucking Tom Warren on the
verge go for the first time. You just hit a button,
you go to Windows. Actually, Tom, you could do that
with all the rocks. Fucking but it's just like they
they're like, we're releasing a special Xbox. Did we change

(14:51):
Windows in any way? Fuck you customer? Yeah, piece of shit. Well,
and usually we laid off everyone who did that.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I will say, usually it's not Microsoft's fault. It's usually
these other companies are just not building the drivers and
stuff to properly handle power management. But it was also
Microsoft's fault because the Xbox rog what I didn't even
hear about this.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Tell me more you didn't hear it.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
It's it is basically a l weird like handheld. Yeah,
there's the Xbox grips that come along with it.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
The Okay, so according to I want those grips so bad.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
So this is the thing.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
You don't even need to get the new one, really
the grips. Well no, because if you want the grips
and you have to get the new one. But the
whole like thing with it now is that they've changed
the software. They're saying that they've limited enough a number
of stuff on the back end so that it should
run better, it should sleep better, so it should be
better with power management. And this is a lot of shoulds,
right because none of us have actually, you know, put

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it through its space is like over a long term.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
I just think that Microsoft is trying, but they're doing
it so late, and it's coming off of like a
bunch of stuff that happened recently with Xbox that made
them look really bad.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
So they look like they're trying too hard.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
They had a handteld. It was long rumored. I remember
Tom was covering it at the verge, and then they
just abruptly killed it because they realized.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I wasn't sure how far along that was even.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Well, my understanding was this fairly far along, but they
were entirely dependent on Streaming to handle it. They go
they go to them yeah, game pass is great. I
use it on my steam deck, but it's not great
enough to do it that.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, when not they get Yeah, this actually reminds me.
I wanted to ask you about this. At some point
you said something about g force now in stall, and
I've seen stories about this. What is this g force
now install thing? Crans?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I mean, I just know g Force now. You tell me.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Okay, well, okay, g Force now they just released an update.
So g force now is a streaming service. You have
to play your own games versus like you know, other
like xboxes cloud gaming thing where you can use their games,
and like you're paying for the service.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
This one.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
You're paying for the service to use their servers to
download the games and play them remotely. They've just added
a thing where supposedly you'll be able to just kind
of use your whatever games like not even on their list,
as long as a developer opts in whatever that really means,
if they're already opted in probably uh, then you can
just rent out space on their servers to download that

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game and then basically just have a Shadow PC to
play those games.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Are interesting that's been going. I mean, there was a
company Shadow that's exactly what I'm still around.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah, they're just really expensive there, and.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I mean in video. The reason they're likely doing this
is they have a lot of server space. They have
a ton of server space because it's in Vidia, and
they've currently made everyone's four Oka four oh one k
beautiful crik now for now for at least the end
of this month, till Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
But but yeah, that's why they're doing it, is they
have all the server space, and it's like, why not
make a few extra bucks because it's not like it's
not going to be a huge money driver for them,
but there are people out there who want to play
their games remote. They used to be able to do
that when it first launch.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yes, that'll get a little more popular once we get
one of the more gadgety elements of phones back, which
is this. Remember Samsung Decks, this sort of desktop simulator
that lets you use your plug your phone into a
monitoring keyboard and mouse, and well it's been just decrepit
and gathering dust for ages. It hasn't been updated in
a meaningful way in a long time. But now that
Android Google's building it into Android sixteen. Is this kind

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of mode that will not require you to have a
Samsung phone. You can have any Android phone running FRO
running sixteen. One of the things I did was, I
thank you for reminding me about Shadow, because I forgot
last time I reviewed Samsung Decks. I used Shadow to
play like Titanic Adventure, Out of Time and other CD
Rohm classics from my youth, and it was absolutely great.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
But wait, wait, wait, what does decks actually do.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's so you plug your phone into a monitoring keyboard
and mouse and you do not USBC, SBC whatever, and
then it just creates a desktop environment like it like Windows,
except it's Android. It's your fine, so you don't have
to find a Wi Fi hat, You've reready got a
se connection. You don't have to move your files to
it because your files are already on your phone.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Atrix promised us this fifteen years and Trix Variety.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And Atrix four G Yeah, they never trust that fucking guy.
Well actually was good now that they've got the.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Race Razor Ultra, we love that. We love a wooden phone.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
And thank you Lenovo Wooden.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Indeed it's wood on it. You got wood, You got Alcantara.
If you want to get a really gross overnight and
then what fake?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
What do you mean gross?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Like yes, yeah, alcantara is is like a fabric and
that was what they put on the palm rest for
the surface. And it can get dirty.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Because it's one just flipping out of a low razor.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
But like two months in after you do like a
New York summer, it's just going to be so disgusting
on the front.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
No one will ever drop it like just absorbs all.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
But you know then it's your You've got a nice patina.
No one will ever touch it because they'll be disgusting.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah right, yeah, I think it's great and I will
say it. I want Apple to do this fucking flip phone.
I want him to do something different. I'm tired of
I want my I have the most giant phone. I
occasionally go back to the smaller iPhone. I hate it.
I want the big one again, except I want an
even bigger one. I want Apple to do foldables so bad.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't need to wait for a photoble. I got
just the thing for you. Ever use clicks for the iPhone?
I have a clicks I have a click disclosure.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I am a co founder click co found I bought
when I sent you a picture of me using which
I appreciate it and I.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Hear that makes it big. Just use that and it
makes it click you too.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, the thing is, I don't have a trouble typing
on the phone at all. I just want the screen.
I would like my screen to be twice the size.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Well, you could just carry an iPad.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I do carry an iPad, and I love the iPad pro.
I really do take photos. I'm not my dad, my dad. No,
I love my dad. He pulls out his iPad many
and it's just like the most like it's no, No,
I love it. I love the fact that he's into
the iPad because I got him as the original iPad
whenever like the second. No, it's the first iPad many
they released. And my dad, I love hearing this and

(21:09):
he loved it. He uses it all the time, and
I consider like that the best sign of technology.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
If like like like an.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Older person who's just a regular person who does like
a business job and like listens to the radio and
watches the news, Like what are their use cases with it?
And the fact that he picks it up and uses
it like as a pic, as a as a picture taker.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's the term picture taker.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yes, I think it's lovely, and I think it affordable.
And look it's me, he's photographing me, and that's actually
really cool. And this is yeah, And I get back
to my thing that the UX situation. We're just at
the limits of the current UX.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
And also my controversial opinion, which is the vision pro
is amazing when it works.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
It's so heavy it is.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
But when I say when it works, I mean we're
talking four percent of the time. Have I told any
of you what's happened with my vision progress? So I
got told my good Matt Bambike, who told me that
Metallica was on the vision prom like a big, heavy
thing that's kind of lost its way and we're not
really sure why we engage with it. Sounds like Metallica.
So I get this thing, I put it on. It goes.

(22:12):
You need to update the fuck it. Okay, I'll update.
I have that shit all the time. I let it
start downloading, I pick it up, I put it down,
I pick it up, the UX doesn't load again. Yeah,
you have to keep this thing on your fucking head
while you update it. Yep, it's like a fifteen minute
long update. This feels like just the easiest thing in
the world for them to fix, and it's just it's

(22:33):
so annoying because there are there are like several minutes
at a time when I'm using the Vision Pro when
I can make it work, which is not at the
moment where I'm just like, damn, this feels like the
few It's a giant screen. It like I can grab things,
and then like the headset moves three centimeters. Yeah, and
now it's out of focus.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Have you used to quest like this?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I have the Quest three and it's just like even
then my strange skulleah, like lots of people love measuring
my skulls reasons, but it's just like the Quest three
doesn't feel right, but it feels better than this. Yeah,
But the Vision Pro has these moments, and I think
it's just because the it's less about the Vision Pro
more the idea of yeah, an interface that we could

(23:13):
reach out and grab and move around with our hands.
It makes sense and it works when it works, but
it doesn't work very often, and it's just the problem
is is every article is either this is the most
amazing thing, which is not, or it's this completely sucks,
which it does a lot of the time.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, where it's in a journey.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I wish all the money if from AI had gone
into this, not because I think it would be particularly successful,
but we get we get somewhere too quicker.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
It did go into it at Meta, it didn't go.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, forty two billion dollars went into experiments doing air quotes.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yeah, I mean that's what Android X are is supposed
to be. Right, it's going to be first Samsung's Project
Muhan is just going to be you know, one Apple
Vision Pro but with Yeah, it's so Samsung's making a

(24:07):
Vision Pro. It's gonna have very similar like micro oled displays.
I don't know if it's going to go the full
like four K four K or whatever bullshit, but it'll
just be like, you know, it'll be Android's version of
Apple's Vision OS. It's just going to be a little
bit more AI focused because it's all full of Google.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Because I was using these Vichua glasses if you heard
of these, Yes.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I've used them these weirdly in.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Just put them on you have a USB. It doesn't
try and be fancy enough, and you just have a
couple you put in your phone and you have them
on your glasses and it looks pretty big.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
That's that's the best thing about Like, yeah, I like
air glasses because I just like secondary screens. It's like, oh, okay,
you know they're good for a plane. They're just a
little bit expensive, but yeah they do what do you
need them to do?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Then I put it on the plane, I'm like, ah, right,
I don't want to look straight ahead. But it was
just like me, just like this is cool. Can I
move it to Nope, this is attached to my fucking face.
But there is something here, I swear to.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
God, no, there is something.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
There's so much more here than Generative AI. Like with
General AI have not had a goddamn moment of peace
in two years, but also not a goddamn moment where
I've been like okay, I kind of I kind of
see it. And there were moments with the Vision. There's
moments with the Quest where I've been like, okay, like
horseshoes and hand grenades. Yeah, Steam game where you can
just like pick up guns and it's like extremely realistic

(25:31):
and it just feels so good and it's satisfied, like
exactly the kind of moment that you're like, this is
great fun technology. I fucking love the future. The same
thing when I I remember when I got the original
iPhone on singular wireless in Penn State, and I remember
the moment of like, Wow, I don't have to wait
for my voicemail. Wow, I can just type out and
I can move apps. This is cool. Those moments are

(25:52):
there with XR and VR. I'm actually like, I'm not
like a fantasist about it. Most of the shit sucks.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah. Well, I think Google is going to say is
that they've invested in AI so that the AI can
go and actually fix all of the problems that the
brilliant scientists and researchers haven't been able to do, to
actually make a pair of good looking XR glasses that
you can wear on your face.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
That it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, so I spent almost the entirety of last CEES
looking at displays because I was going to cover other things,
and then I very quickly realized the most interesting stuff
on the floor was was eyeglasses for ar you know, applications,
and I used the even realities g one. If you
used these one of these, these are some very normal
looking glasses that if you're a Harry Potter fan, you're

(26:37):
you're really a fan of them, because they can't make
you look like that. But they don't look like they
have tech in them. In fact, the first ad I
saw for them, I did not believe that they existed.
I'm like, you guys are just hitting me with a
render and this is vapor where it's never going to launch.
And so I'm on a friend's head and I'm like, what,
wait are those they? And you put them on and
they have us monochrome wargames esque like green text.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Displace these on Instagram. Dude.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
They are and they look they do very few things,
but they do them all pretty damn well.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
As Chris fvelasco, the legend of it was, I was
talking about them and they're great.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I kept wearing them for weeks after the review and
what they do and caveat I'm a sucker for notification
dashboards terminal smart watches. This takes your smart watch, puts
it on your face and so if you're just interacting,
you're fine, and then you look up and then you
have a little dashboard you have to look up. No,
you can set it so that if you get a
notification that pops up right in front of your so
if I'm looking at you, I'm actually reading my messages

(27:29):
and that's creepy, So I keep that off.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm like, I'm the other way around though, where I'm like,
I wouldn't want this on all the time, but if
I could look up just to take a look, Yeah,
because if I see a notification, I want to chew
on it. Yeah, I want to take a look. What
you go for me? Absolutely? And I love this. And again,
is this super useful? It's useful? Is it too expensive?
I assume yes?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Probably.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I forgot how they look like.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
You have to wear a leather duster with them whenever.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, no, that's that's the thing. So this is my
main complaint with all the other stuff you're talking about,
is like the I'm sorry, I always bring out XP
real just to like beat on them, but like great technology,
but when you wear it, it's it is x reel.
You put on sunglasses, but you have like four inches
of I don't know, foam between them and your eyes,
Like they just ride so damn high and they're just
just because of the what is x rel They're like
what you just described for airplane viewing. They're like, you know,

(28:14):
wearable displays for years, but they're.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Also working on an XSAR thing for Android.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Are they yep? Okay, that means display technology that doesn't
require like you know, you would working.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Vision pro by. Now, if they'd put the four hundred
billion dollars into this ship, like that's the that's the
actual thing. If they wanted to invest in the future,
even if it's not xr VR, if they put hundreds
of billions of dollars into the next interface, and their
argument would be, oh, yeah, well, AI is the next
interface because you can just talk right, No, I can't. No,
I can't at all. I have a British accent. Do

(28:47):
you know I have to have British Siri sometimes because
sometimes Siri just because I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Oh no, I don't. A lot of my family has
really strong Southern and Texas accents. It's incredible, like it
has not nothing has improved from when Google first and
out first issued like voicemail where we would transcribe it.
Nothing's improved, Siri, Android, any of them. If they've got
a really strong accent and they're talking like dish, no, no,
my god, it's not nonal fucking work.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh my god, just tie it out. You have to
people in the South and people in love Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Just fuck just absolutely fun giving that food question. Actually,
did you know that when you go to Europe the
Android dictation engine changes.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
No GDPR I sum or something like that.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I don't know why. All I know is when I'm
in Europe and I'm trying to type and I'm like, no,
I'll come to you period, it says period. I have
to say no, I'll come to you full stop.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh that makes more sense.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty smart.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
If you go around in England being like period, people
don't look at this at the end of every sentence like, oh,
you seem fine. But it's I do think though that
this is this is a very dread infused time. It's
very doom ory. But then I see these little folded
I see the fun device. I'm like, that's industry does

(30:00):
actually have other things. It's just I think we might
have maxed out software. I think we may have reached
the limits of what software can do based on what
we have as computing devices.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I'm sure, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I'm sure it's not fully at the limits, but I'm
just saying as far as consumers go with using stuff.
But what do you think, Alex I would.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Say that it is more laziness of the large companies,
the Apples and the Samsung's and the Googles and the Microsoft's,
the Lenovo's, I mean, well, the Lenovo actually they have fun. Yeah,
Lenovo's actually really good at like we're going to experiment,
and they're Chinese company.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
They're always trying something you.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Know a lot of but the primarily these American companies
making gadgets and stuff, they don't try. All of they're
interested in is how can I get you to replace
what you have in two years?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
That's it. And instead of being like, how can I
get you to replace what you have in two years
by completely redefining the entire industry, they're like, now you
can use magnets, it's longer, and it's like, well, that's cool,
But am I really going to upgrade my phone just
for that? I might, No, people in this room might.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
I definitely would, but but you're right, but with.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
The people outside of this room, anybody.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Have a case for that.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
It's also I think they've tried to do everything with
one device, which is great, but that's where you bump up,
like the limits of entertainment I think are we're reaching,
especially because watching I'm done with people telling me to
watch I don't know how people watch like full movies
on their phone. Even the biggest, most hug just for
they're young.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
They stirred it.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
No, I mean I mean older people too. I mean
I've just met people and it's like on like a
six inch phone and it's like, what the fuck? This
is worse than an app.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
My brother did that. He watched Sinners like on his
pad and he's like, why does everybody like Sinners? It's
not very good? And I was like, how'd you watch it, like,
you know, in the middle of the day with the
lights all on on my iPad? And I'm like, well,
of course you didn't like it. Hell yeah, did it together, sir?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Watching The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly on Detroit too,
that was a good fun I like the droid too.
That was And also, just to be clear, you can
do experiments that suck. I did also try the BlackBerry
Storm back in the day. With It's like it was
a screen where you could just like do happen. It
was like you could press it felt like you were

(32:15):
pressing in, but it felt.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
It didn't it flowed down a button.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
It felt bad. It felt like it was a slightly
harder version of poking some like Greek yoga. It was,
which is not the sensation I want? While typing like
a clunk to it.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
That was the one that, like BlackBerry was like, this
is gonna save us.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, it was that big. It was so it was
like the homomobile of funds. It's fucking wrong. I love
them for how bad it was.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, they were like, we're gonna we don't need this
multi touch stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
We got this, Yeah, we got you want your screen
to move?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Do you ever want a screen that feels that makes
you feel bad every time you touch it? And everyone
else is like we're working on that with different ways.
It's I also think that the it's nice to see
here that there's some fun as well because the AI
stuff and I'm not gonna make this a big complain
first about AI. You got the rest of the episodes,
but there's something joyless about large language. It's not fun.

(33:12):
I'm not using any of it and being like, oh,
how whimsicll like, oh you're having They don't seem like
we're haven't they're having fun. We're not having fun at
least with some dorky, insane fun. You're like, okay, yeah,
what are you good fun?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I mean the vibe coders. The vibe coders are having fun.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Though they're not read the Vibe coding Reddit. It's a
bunch of people talking like they've been captured by North Korea. Yeah,
it's straighted. Be like, I love doing this every day mice.
I've put three months of my life and thousands of
dollars into this, and I have eight paying customers.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's the best thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
It's so funny. And you you read and they're like, yeah,
I don't get how this happened. And someone will be like, yeah,
you don't read code. You can't understand how this cat
well I asked it to tell me. It's like, yeah,
that's that's the problem. But it's like, there's nothing dorky
or funny about it. Even the meta verse was more
fun than this.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
It was more fun to make fun of it.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Like the metaverse. That first time you put on that
stupid Windows headset and you had your big Windows playhouse
and you go and you put a giant dinosaur in it,
and then you ask your coworker to try on the
headset and they're like, why the hell is a giant
dinosaur staring at me? Like that's fun, but you can't
do that. Yeah, it's it's hard to troll people with AI.
I mean you have to, like you really have to

(34:22):
think about it.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
That's the thing, though. People trolled a little hard. Because
what I also enjoyed was watching during the metaverse, regular
journalists be like I'll check cut this VR chat thing
and just like getting the worst people online. A bunch
of people dressed as knuckles just doing racism constantly, just
like endless races. And if you're thirteen year old, Yeah,
just thirteen year old saying the worst sheet you've heard

(34:43):
in your life, and like I'm here from a business magazine.
It's like, fuck you, piece of shit. No, it's great.
I think the journalists need to see the real Internet occasionally.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, but you can't do that with You can.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Just do that with the Internet. You've been able to
do it for decades. It's just but the metaverse also
you saw some people try some weird shit. You saw
a lot of grifters and all this crap, like whatever,
but it was like at least someone was having fun.
Mark Zuckerberg was lying, but also people didn't really full
ask the metaverse. I wish that they had put this
kind of money into it, because we would have got

(35:16):
one really shit thing and one really funny thing.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, and I mean they to an extent they did
put the money in, Like apples, Apple spent a lot
of money.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I don't think they did that because of the metaverse.
I think that they were planning it anyway.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Really, I think I always felt it was like, we
need to play catch up. Everyone is talking.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
They've been Yeah, I can see that Apple, But I
refuse to believe it's been two three years. Well it
came out twenty twenty four. I don't think they've only
been working on it two years. Maybe they don't accelerated.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Out they've been.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
They've been working on it for Steve Jobs would have
fucking killed them. Can you imagine Steve Jobs finding about that.
He would have beaten someone to death with the willows.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Wasn't the idea that they were creating glasses first, and
then they're like, this is the step towards the glasses
and now well there was all that talk whether or
not they're actually making a glass. Now they're back on
whether or not they're going to be smart glasses or
ar glasses. It seems silly.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, everybody was like, okay, and this, this is the
dumbest part of the generative AI moment is ten years
ago everybody was like, we're going to have smart glasses,
but they are going to be you put them on
and you talk to somebody because Alexa is doing it
and there's in Siri and all of this, So we're
going to do it just like this. It didn't work
because we don't know how to interact audio wise with

(36:30):
computers and stuff. It's not just like it is in
Star Trek. It's actually more complex, right, you have to
consider multiple users and stuff. So everybody's like, okay, how
else can we do this, Well, we'll do the metaverse
and we'll do these ar glasses. And then they were like, wait,
we can't figure out how to make these glasses small enough,
with battery life, with good vision, Like, we can't do
all of that. And then Generative AI came out and

(36:51):
there was everbody's like, you know what, we're gonna do
that Alexa.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Shit again, I love that as well, because Alexa didn't work.
It still doesn't, and they were like, well, we'll make
a new one that works worse. Yes, and it's I
haven't have any of you used Alexa plus yet no?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, not only in demos.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Damn I was I really when I read about that,
and they're like, it's worse and it can you can
be like, yeah, make me a recipe for like chicken
pasta and it will tell you it. And I just
think that people need to accept the voice is not
a good interface just in general. I don't think it
needs to be perfect perfect.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
There's so much more training of ourselves.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Right because like you, I don't want to be trained.
I want to use the thing, but you.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Are trained, Like we're all trained. We're trained to use our.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Phone limited use cases like you know, turn the lights on,
to turn to open the garage door or whatever like.
But but beyond that, to your point, like it's it's
required to be usable by such a wide squath of
humans that it's almost important.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
We all want to do it, just like start absolutely.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I also think it has a very flat view of tasks.
I think that most people think that it's going to
be well, people like Sunda Pushai or Andy jasse think
that people go into the house and go and I
will do that, and I will do this, not me.
I'm like, what about the YouTube? What about the chrome thing? Oh?
I just breathe this off. Well now why fuck? I'm
meant to send an email? Send an email? Okay, Fuck,
I've got the information for the email. Shit, why am I?

(38:10):
Why is it so fucking hot in here? I need
to make it cold in it? Fuck? It's how to
put this YouTube back on?

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeh, you can't multitask at all.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Right. It also just can't do any context switching. You
cannot do it.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
And I will do something which I think would be
ten amount of suicide on any other day. I will
defend an LLM on your podcast. Okay, I feel like
it's probably a good mechanic for training these things to
do exactly that, because I have found the one enjoyable
bit of using lllm's I've found is that I'll talk
to Gemini Live a lot, because I'm very used to

(38:40):
as we all are, doing a Google Voice dictated search
for what I'm looking for. But I love that Gemini
lets me talk to it like my brain actually works,
like thinking about this thing. It's like a wrench, but
it's not. It's like a ratcheting socket that's probably not
ratcheting anyway. It's a vacuum cleaner adjustment, you know what
I mean. And then she'll be like, oh, yeah, I
totally got it here, here's what it is. But that's
and then her return to to be fair, we will

(39:00):
be twenty percent wrong, but at least she's gotten me.
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
This is the use case of llms, which is they
are better at inferring meaning from what we say, and
they have found a way to do that, which is
just better search, which gets back to the thing that
you were saying, Alex about how these companies are lazy,
because why does it Why didn't Google have this ten
years ago? How are there no other ways to do this?
And why is Google still not really like this? In
the search engine part, you have to go into Gemini

(39:26):
and even when you you can't type in to Google
search that kind of thing. Now when you try and
I will type in like cite the information a term,
and it will be like, I don't fucking know, man,
because I didn't write dot com. Yeah, because it is
just I don't know what possibly could cite colon the
information mean, oh you had a dot com. It's a website.
My bad, Like I'm only worth We're only a market

(39:48):
cap of four trillion dollars. Fuck you.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Well, they would say you should be using Chrome to
do it.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Answer Chrome, No, I wasn't. I'm still in Chrome a
little bit because certain websites don't work because we live
in the future.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I tried to switch to Coggy's mobile browser. Worst experience.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I switched to Firefox, and I hate it.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
It's sometimes some things just work better.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I live in Chrome. I guess where I'm I mean,
especially since Pocket died. Now I have to use Chrome
from my mobile bookmarks and it has on passwords. It
has oh man, that's actually another thing.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Just really grinds my giars. Bookmarks are the same. Still,
I don't use bookmarks because I'm chaotic, and every time
I save something, I forget where I saved it.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I just assume I'll remember everything.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I actually no, I genuinely, I genuinely do, Like I
remember no same, Yeah, and it works out.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
And I'm like, oh my god, I remember everything but
exactly the wrong time. No, I remember everything.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, I should look at it as long as I
have the weirdest cues, like several words. If you read
my notes from my newslet that they're insane. It's like
three set three broken sentences with like a question mark
and a type up. I'm like, that's sixteen thousand words, babe.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, well, all I didn't have this on my list,
but there's a gadget for that.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
The plowed or plod ai recorder things? Right now?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
What is this thought?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
They work pretty well, and in fact, you could say
they work too well. They make a little cart credit
card size thing. It's very thin, it's very impressive. It's metals. Now,
this is the notepin. This is the thing that works
too well. They had a bug. You want to know
what the bug was? What was it that fucker would
record when you didn't ask if to. I have four
hours of me snoring at C on the note and
I was like, hey, guys, you have to fix this

(41:33):
because it's the one thing that can't do. And they're like, oh, yes,
we were replacing those affected units. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, I'm so sorry though, Now that isn't impossible to
buy device in the review, anyone, I said, anyone who
knows that happened to you, I wouldn't be able to
buy it.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Nope, I don't trust it.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
You probably have because we all have phones, and phones
have definitely done that too. I more than once had
my phone just be like, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that,
and I was like, I was on the fucking toilet.
I didn't need you to catch that.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, my I like my home pods, but they do
occasionally hear me and just go like, I don't know
what that means. It's like, yeah, I was. I was
screaming to myself, thank you.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I was just watching TV.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I was just mad. I was just saying some of
the words that I say inside when I am upset.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Even the PS five, the PlayStation five has that ability.
You don't know it because nobody enables it, but it
actually works. You can like talk into the controller and
control the PS five that way. And I turned it
on and I just keep forgetting to take it off.
And now I'm just like, I'm just talking with my brother,
and then the PS five is like, are you sure,
and I'm like, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
No, PlayStation five? That's why I'm talking. I don't know,
and I just I want them to do more fun things.

(42:55):
I'm so glad I the fact that you, Michael have
this flip phone out. I keep looking at it being
like this, but there's the trifold, now, ru we love
the trifle.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
It is actually doing a lot of these Chinese companies
are doing really interesting innovating. Huawei is doing it, Lenovo
is doing it. Apple is like, we'll get there in
five years after everyone else has done it, right, we
can like test it there.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And one thing I will say is you can't do
contiguous between the wind.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
So yeah, when you're running to a side by side,
well exactly that kind of Android demands you like you
select your focus. Yeah, so you can't be doing it
both at once.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
And that's the weird thing like Apple used to like
they had the Apple High five. They used to take
fun risks and then Steve Jobs would kill the family.
Is if everyone involved.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Well they and they failed at a risk. They air
air air dock yeah yeah, yeah, the charging power.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
So far the listeners. There was this thing that now
exists in nineteen different forms where they were going to
do this block where you could put your air pods,
your Apple watch and your phone. And they would talk
about it every few months and they'd be like, it's
just around the core. They announced it like it was
like a big thing. They announced the malt Gumman would
just put out it's like, no, it's not gonna and

(44:07):
it was. It just they just canceled it one day
and then Anchor and several hundred other companies.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Well it was different ahead, it was different.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
So so what Apple was trying to do was like
take those those coils, the charging coils, and stack them
on each other so it's one real small spot so
you could throw it on anywhere on the pad and
it would charge, whereas everybody else is like you have
to have your little spots. And I love I've got
I've got one and it's great. I use it all
the time. But air power would have been slightly cooler
except for it was like melting things.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
They couldn't figure it out one way or.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Wow, costomers a.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Melted a hole in my phone.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Oh but now we have like mag safe obviated the
need for it, right, because the magnets are better for
end Like it's like, you don't it doesn't matter that
you need to like discreetly place it because the magnets
are gonna put it there. Anyway, and that's better. For
a reason.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I will say, there is an anchor thing I have
at home I don't replace out of spite, which is
it's one of the things where the Apple Watch component
flips up, so there's the circle except that thing. There
are so many times I put it on, it just
does not stick for some reason. Every time it happens
to a piece of shit. Do I replace it? Fuck? Now,
you I paid my fifty dollars and I will get

(45:18):
every dollars worth ten years later. I will replace it
when I throw it from the window.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I mean, that's like all my gan chargers.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Now is cool? We really genuinely.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
I mean that's how you know it's a bunch of
like nerds who love gadgets because we're all like yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And if you've not heard of gallium, and I tried
to mention it before, it's the thing where they basically
found a way to make plugs smaller and batteries smaller.
I actually have like these amazing anchor things. That's just
all this cool shit that came out of it.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
And you Green makes really good stuff too, you Green, Yeah,
you Green? There.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I thought they were just the slot brand.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
No they're real people.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah, but they're one on my bag right now, and
they're actually.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Good because I've looking for Anchor alternatives just because I
like melting Yeah, No, I like hank A melting things.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, they got recalls.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Things have gotten a little more expensive, you green, and
there's a few others.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
But I like Hanka.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
So they committed the ultimate sin long ago for me.
The same thing all birds did. The same thing everything
company does that that that achieves scale is they go
from building something interesting looking in a fun color with
a weird shape, like ah, no, eighty percent of people
by the boring black rectangles. So now that's all we're
gonna shape. Anchor's variety is black or white.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I go, I somewhat disagree. Oh come, just because of
the nebul the right swam which she talked about. Is
this insane, like three thousand dollars projectory and you can
put it in a weird angle and it will still
keystone in They do claim it's like, oh, you hit
a button and it just works. Not for me. I
am the person you should bring every new thing to
before you say that, because it will break everything.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Is there ever been a projector that just works?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
But it does. It gets about as close you can.
It sets up in like a minute. You can keystone
it at the weird that angles is fucking cool and
it looks weird and it's like really nice and like
the wireless speakers just working this how much it's three
thousand fucking dollars.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
It's so expected good news. If you google it, you
will get your first three results are cheaper alternatives that
they're being paid to be put there. Nice.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
When I bought my GPD for whim four, I ended
up getting scammed by Google AD I had some and
I it was just I was buying it. I was
excited to get it, and I saw and I am
so resilient to these things, so I was like mad
at myself. Yeah, I emailed fucking GPDY. I emailed Google.
I was fucking I was like, listen to me. Fuck no,
I was, And to be fair, GPD got back to

(47:34):
me like, holy shit, like we're going to contact Google.
Google did not. GPT was actually very concerned because it's
like the whole price. Yeah, and it was just like
a Chinese guy's Gmail as well, like he had a
faked a perfectly good GPD website.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Did he just mail your box.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
No, I canceled the payment like it would put it
on a credit card. Because these things happened, I haven't
for a long time. I was quite embarrassed. But now
I like Anchor and they occasionally we'll do something on
the Nepular X one. However, Yeah, they are mostly just blokes.
They have them in different collars.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Now, I mean the batteries I have, it's like mint green.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Yeah, I mean Anchors, Anchors, like you know, charging brand.
It's just kind of stayed. But like all the other
ship they're doing with all their other sub brands, because
now they have like twelve uh you know, they have
that UV printer that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
What is this?

Speaker 5 (48:26):
So UV printers they basically use a UV light on
UV activated ink.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
To like thermal printers.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Kind of, but there's less heat involved since it's just light. Yeah,
so you'll like, it'll just you can technically print on
almost anything. And it can print in three D quote unquote,
so if you like, you know, you're looking at oil painting,
it has those like raised edges where you know, the
oil thickens, it can technically do that. It's really it's

(48:54):
really cool and I got to use it. I printed
out a meme on a on a little magnet and
it looks really nice. I can't wait to actually try
it out more.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
It's lunches this thing.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
It's probably around like thirteen hundred dollars. No, it was
more than that.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
It's like but that like a good three D printer.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Oh yeah, No, is this like one of those printers
that I saw a number of years ago that it's
kind of like a mouse and you like run it
over the surface you're printing.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
On or No, this is a big unit, but it's
like other UV printers are like gigantic and this is
like a tabletop one, which is why it was like
big in the maker space for like a hot minute.
I don't know where it is right now, and I've
been trying to get a review unit in and anchor.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
If you're listening, please.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I actually do have a question for all three of you.
I keep seeing things on Kickstarter, but I haven't touched
kickstar in years because of all the shit. Is it
trustworthy still? Is it still dodgy?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And on who you're going? Like some companies, big companies
will use Kickstarter to validate the market, like Uni Herts
is famous for this if you want an interesting phone,
Uniherts is there for you. They make all the like
BlackBerry revivals, all the ones. You're huge. They have a
screen on the back for no reason. Oh yeah, yeah,
you know you'd love it.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Try Every launch they do is on Kickstarter, and they
you know, I think they also use it as a
pr thing because they know they're going to exceed their
goal in the first day.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
But this is in twenty thirteen, anymore. Try I run a
pof I know that doesn't work anymore.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, you'll see that with like it's
it's mainly the big brands. The smaller brands, I would
still be still yeah, because it's you just run into this.
I mean, it's just the practical nature of building.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Catchet hardware is really difficult, can confirm.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yeah, and it's only going to get more difficult over
the next because of the tariffs and stuff. Absolute especially
Americans are going to have, you know, until we get
manufacturing in the United States again, it's.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Going to be a chance. I look forward to that day.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
There is one that I actually invested in, which is
technically a gadget. Now this I was going to save
this to the very end because no one could possibly
care about this, but they didn't follow the moon landing
program in the sixties.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Tell me more.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Okay, this is a watch. It is called the d
Sky moon Watch Sky, and it is not a smart watch.
It is not a it's not an LCD and all
this stuff. What they took. There's an Apollo guidance computer
from the moon capsule and they shrunk it down to
the size of a watch.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
It is not just an aesthetic reproduction. It is literally
the same computer replicably, so you can program it with
like old sixties noun verb, you know, combinations and what
I love, My favorite thing about it is, you know
in the sixties you didn't have LEDs. Well, we have
to have LEDs in the watch to do stuff. They
came up with color filters to make the LED match
the incandescent bulbs of the sixties.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Like it's looks like an celloscope kind of.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Like I also need this, but I'm going to get it.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
That's what I said the minute I saw I.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Think eight hundred ninety bucks or something like.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
That, but our website it's six hundred and fifty nine pounds.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah. The Americans, Yes, yes, yes, Yeah, anyway, I'll let
you know if I get it, because I have backed it.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
But what does it do?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
It telltales at the time. It looks cool. It also
it also is the guidance computer, so you can program
it to It is limited by your imagination and your
coding ability if you know nineteen sixty nine era code.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Of course, yeah, which I do.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
But it's all open source so you can actually do
whatever you want with it, which is really fun. It
also has GPS for some reason, I don't know. I
don't know what else.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Okay, while we're there, it's yeah, I'm so glad. I
wasn't sure coming into this weather we'd have more do deaths.
It seems like there's still a healthy but there's just
not in America. No good stuff here. Yeah no, sorry,
you can get it here, but it's not American companies
that seem to be driving this, like anchors Chinese.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, well, I've.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Got a couple actually, please please, I genuinely like to know.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
You want to pabble Okaya back because people are so
tired of their regular watches.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, no, it's just they're never should have died, You
never should have died. There they're doing e ink watches again.
They start shipping this month. I definitely ordered both.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
How much did they cost?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
You know, they're just watches.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Well, they're smart watching.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yeah, they're smart watching. They've got they've got they've got
you know, they've got heart rate monitors in them. They
do notifications, Bluetooth Bluetooth, Bluetooth is and it's and it's
just it's just a watch and you can you know,
they have a very robust user community.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
That's the killer and apps and such.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, right, so that was the thing that I mean,
Pebble was the first one doing apps on a watch,
and they did it well and people liked it, and
then they sold, right.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
They sold a Fitbit who was then who were then
bought by Google.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Immediately and it just di it killed it and the
guy got it back, got the right couple back and
he's like he's just out there making cool as hell watches.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yes, And and I think the user community is the
is the thing because all these I love a smart watch,
but the ones from Google and Apple are kind of
soulless of necessity because their corporate products and the wider
consumer exactly where's the Pebble is? Like, Wow, who made
this weird Ostrich watch face that's like, oh some guy
in Denmark. No, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I mean the Pebble watch. My best friend, she goes
to Orange Theory. She she's like very, drinks her Starbucks very.
I love her, but she does not give a ship
about smart watches. And she's not gonna care about the Pebble.
If I told her about it, she'd say what, Yeah,
and where's an Apple watch that cares about it? Yeah?
And it's just a perfect gadget.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
And how much was again.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Launched something?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
And he's only making small batches, so it has to
it could be cheaper, but he's.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Only doing how much I spent on these watches?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Right, that's a credit cards.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Spent a lot exactly. I already paid for it all,
so it's not past Alex's problem. I just get free
stuff now.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, that's what I think exactly. That's how it works.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, boy, any other American American? The Light Fund, the
Light Company.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I didn't get a chance to watch a video.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
What trash friend you are?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Okay, well I watched it. There's only one person I
have telegram for you.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Don't even use that anymore. Don't lie that I don't
accuse it.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's why I missed your messages. But AnyWho, So wait,
so this light phone was it good or bad?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
The light Phone three was a very well it was
a very seven out of ten experience because it was
basically half unfinished when I was covering it.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
What does it do?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Exact very little. It does lets you do phone calls,
text messages, and then a handful of apps that are
meant to keep you as disconnected as possible. You have maps,
you will never have email, you will never have social media,
you will not have a web browser. But like things
to get you from point A to point B except
right now. No payments, no lift, no Uber, none of

(55:40):
that stuff. So it made life very difficult. I tried
it for two weeks. I found I had to carry
an iPad many along with me, which the light phone
does generate a hotspot, so you can use that's cool,
like you know, if you want to pop up on
a laptop. I really enjoyed experimenting with that lifestyle again
of reverting to the late nineties when we had to
decide to be online, yeah, and then decide to be offline.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Well, I decided to be online all the time, it's
not really sure. Well for all of us, Yeah, sometimess
this thing is it? What kind of screen? Is it?
Like a black and white screen?

Speaker 1 (56:11):
So that is it's in my opinion, it's shining achievement,
Like this is an un remarkable piece of hardware. I
love picking it up. It is like if you blue
up an Apple watch to you know, by four exercise
and made it out of black metal and glass and
put a knob on the side to control your brightness.
And the screen is black and white, but it has
this diffusion filter on it. It does have a camera

(56:32):
with a nice chunky duel stage shutter button.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, okay camera though, it's.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Actually better than I expected to be honest, But it's
black and white. Sorry. The display is O lead, so
it is a black and white interface and when you
fire the camera, it activates the color O lead.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
This thing so cool? Yeah yeah, but also it's like
the opposite of what I want, is it. I'm I'm abnormal.
I need to be I love I love being connected always,
but I am like a problem.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Try it. Try it. The second weekend, I was like,
I get it. I get people who like talk about
presence and intentionality. I hadn't gotten it.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
But I also have to steal wool of the Buddha.
If I need to focus on people, I can just
not look at my phone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Well, and I think that's what's it like to have restraint.
I don't know, unfamiliar with.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I think this is the thing we see though from
American gadgets. There's a lot of the American gadgets are
about disconnecting. They're about taking a step back, and as
we all look at our.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Phones, I was, but that is the minimum.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Yes, you know, it's about how do we disconnect from Google?
How do we disconnect from our corporate overlords, how do
we disconnect from social media? Those are the things driving
a lot of American ingenuity and gadgets, which is like cool,
but culturally like a where are we as a culture?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
The driving point I also understand, Like that is cool,
but it's also sad, Yeah, because it's very I get
the sense the other countries and they look at technology,
they see like oh like regular people like, oh, what
could it do for me next? And that one's like
there is a fucking way that I could stop using
versus like kit in the top list from bi business Side,
a few years ago. I think this thing is like,

(58:07):
I love my phone. Stop trying to get me off
my phone. YEA, make my phone better. And I kind
of subscribe to that. And I know I'm a freak
for like liking the phone and being online and all
the time. But nevertheless, it's like the sense of I
want to get away from big tech. I want to
get away from my phone. I wanted to do all this.
It's very sad, and also they're clearly building towards it
by making oh, we'll just control the shit for you. You

(58:27):
have no control, you have no industry over this.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
So there's a flip side to this, and then I'm
gonna stop talking about phones. There's another philosophical approach done
by a company called the Minimal Company, the Minimal Phone. Now,
they are much smaller than Light They're also have some
problems fulfilling orders. I think their customer service whatever. But
their phone is a good idea because the phone it
does the opposite of the lightphone. It gives you all
the apps you want, but the display is in ink,

(58:52):
so you don't want to use any of them, but
you can if you need to, like Uber, which I
needed a billion times on the lightphone or didn't have
it as right. Stuff that was really really cool. The
minimal phone idea is a very cool one, and I'm
a nerd for this, but they put a quardy keyboard
on there, which I also like.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Oh, yeah, that's just cool.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
Tcls making a phone, well, they made a phone last year.
That's their NXPT paper phone that you can't get in
the US. Yeah, and you can like swap it between
a fake like e paper screen and to a Yeah
it's not it's not actually the paper, I know, but
it looks it has like a kind of like you know,
sheene to it that makes it look less.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Or you can just.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Go and spend ten dollars on a Matt glass for
your phone. That's that's what I did because I looked
at that stuff and I was like, oh, this is cool.
I'll just put matt glass on my phone and I
get the exact same experience.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I should I would stop talking about phones, but you
just made me think of another one.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
My podcast talk about the phone. I don't ca.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Fair Phone six.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I have not paid attention to Fairphone almost at all
because it's been about repair ability, right, which is important.
But I don't really care about it, So okay, uh
fairphone has a big neon green switch on the side,
and when you flip it down, it turns from a
regular Android phone into a dumb phone. And I like
that physical trigger because yeah, you can do it with
the custom launcher. Yeah, you can do it through umpteen

(01:00:14):
software options. But having a switch seems to suggest more
intentionality is required of you. Well, and switching out of
it it feels like more friction, a little more for.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
It's a little more friction, but it's also less friction
in the setup, right, Like true, Yeah, because if you
know you can do that with an iPhone, you were
going to spend a very long time digging around with
your iPhone to get.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
To that point. Yes, I think a lot of these
problems come down to the fact that just notifications have
become an invasion of our privacy. That when you look
at your phone, it will be like, hey, it's Etsy again. Yeah,
you bought one thing seven years ago. You didn't delete
this app. Do you want to look at Flowers?

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
And you just like leave me the fuck alone and
and apples just like we don't give a fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
And New York Times used to do breaking news for everything.
They just like every damn thing. They'd be like, you know,
Beyonce is going to be in New York? Great? Why
is that you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Can't fix this as well? With the phone. It's the companies.
They've made it worse, and they make it worse every day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
And we'll give you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You have to do way too much work to do it.
To your point, you have to do way too much tweaking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
You can't tweak the notifications.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Well if you have an Android phone, if you can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, and that's the thing where my message on a
fucking Android.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
You want to be able to go to your phone
and just say fix it. And Google keeps promising that
and have they delivered?

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I mean speaking of the fair phone.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Like, there's a Framework is making really cool laptop. I
was just thinking, I really really like Framework and like
I don't. Framework's laptop where all you kind of have
to do is like you get a bunch of the
parts and you slot slot in the SSD, you slot
in the RAM and you kind of put the screen
bezels on and then you put the keyboard on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
You screw everything in. It's like, oh it's a laptop now,
you you built it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
I mean it's it's fun because the company makes it
really easy to do, so you make yeah. Yeah, it's
like you make yourself feel smart even though they literally
put everything out there for you and you just did it.
But it also means you can repair it, YadA, YadA YadA.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
But I like, yeah, you can upgrade it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
I like the feeling of like ownership, because half the
problem with ownership is that I don't feel like I
actually owned the thing. I bought the thing, and they're
managing my life for me. They're putting all the software
on it that I don't want. They're putting this program.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Change how you use it with UX updates.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
So I want to own the thing by like controlling
what goes into it. And I feel like I want
more products that have that ability to just like I
can just control the hardware at least if not the software.
Like if I could control both, I'd be in a
happy place. I'm more nerdy. But imagine if like every
laptop had that ability to just like take off the

(01:02:46):
back and like just swap things around.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
But you're seeing that in gaming laptops for a long time.
When the framework came along, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Like a few of them you can still swoop around.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Yeah, yes, some of them, although some of them are
more soldered on, like some of the smaller fourteen inches
are we still kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
One of the tricks here is just for for laptops,
order the business laptops because they usually have much more
upgradeability because the big companies are like, no, we're not
going to pay you that much for RAM. We will
replace the RAM ourselves, or you will die and never
get our business, and so they fix it for them,
Like that's why you see that from Dell and Lenovo others.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
On the build your own stuff Kyle, do you follow
the or does anybody follow the cyber deck building community?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah, what is I have a blast if you if
you want to have a gadget, you know binge, I
would say just google cyber deck builds on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
It's basically people are trying to like relive the Neuromancer
book and they're just building cyber decks for there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Is a cyber deck.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
All right, you don't know William Gibson so.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Narrowmancer kind of like that whole cyberpunk era aesthetic, the
high idea of but like cyber deck, it's like you
literally plug into the internet. You know, you have this
this deck that you and you sit down in a
chair and you plug yourself in and you're literally a
body and it's like the whole like idea of a
metaverse kind of stems from this, except it's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
A lot more grungy and a lot more punk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Right, So the deck itself is like part of it
is like it's personalized to you, right, like you build
it yourself, so a lot it takes the form in
modern day with what we can do of like little laptops,
like kind of like the GVD stuff, right, except.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
What is the functionality of a cyber deck though?

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
What's it meant in modern day? It's just basically with
a little laptop, it's just to be cool.

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
But the idea is that you're doing it yourself and
it's your own and you're making it like I mean,
I don't know, like are they are they using like raspberry.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Pies, like stuff built in a raspberry pie or something
like that. But if you want functionality, the the meshtastic
is another good thing to look fantastic. That is, like
these little pocket terminals that are being built around what
I had to look it up. An ESP thirty two
system on a chip, which enables a lot of cool stuff.
And a meshtastic network is like node to node. You're

(01:05:08):
not on the Internet necessarily, Like each phone or each
terminal is its own is a node. So what did
Jack Dorsey just dropped an app for this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
God? I mean if chat, he's dropped several Yeah, that's
dropped a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
But that's an app for the iPhone. And like if
we all had Bitchat, we could talk to text each
other without connecting to the Internet. Like it's a direct
peer to peer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
And the meshtastic like there's a lot of handheld hardware.
They all look like blackberries that are all really cool.
They're a little mini cyber deecks And it's just to
utilize that network. And you again, you can build your
own a lot of the time if you're more skilled
than I am.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
So I'm going to wrap it here and I want
to end with a message though, everyone should go and
support Steve Burke of games Nexus, who Bloomberg is being
fucking him up by doing bullshit. YouTube DMCA is coming
on the show next week. This is a ridiculous situation.
Bloomberg should be fucking ashamed of themselves, the legal department,
and everyone involved the journalists set, including at Bloomberg, should

(01:06:01):
see this as an offense against journalism and not giving
him support is tantamount to not having solidarity with your peers.
Steve is doing some of the best work out there,
and I realize it's kind of a grim thing. But
one of the reasons I love all three of you
is you, really, in the same way as Steve, get
into this stuff and actually know it and love it
and are excited about it. And I think that that
is a dying art within journalism, especially within tech. And

(01:06:23):
I hope everyone's enjoyed this episode because I certainly fucking
have so much. It's nice to talk about stuff and like, sure,
there's bad things going on and it can be kind
of grim out there, but there's still people making dorky
little innovations out there, and it's worth remembering that the
tech industry is not all bad, which does not mean
that AI doesn't fucking suck. Bing Bong Michael, Where can
people find you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
They can find me on YouTube at the Mister Mobile,
tgmrimbi Le or threads at Captain two Phones. It's Captain
the Number two Phones, MS Kranz in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Most places, Alex H. Krans Blue Sky Threads all those places.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
And Kyle you can go to goodsmoto dot com and
just look at the review section because it's me and
like two other guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
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Please subscribe to my newsletterer and hit the premium as well.
We will have some really fun episodes coming up. We've got,
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I am really loving doing the show. Things are about
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So looking forward to the next two episodes as things

(01:07:25):
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