September 3, 2025 • 46 mins
Do you ever get pre-annoyed? Heather and Terry can relate!
It’s the dread before a plan you don’t want to go to or the fight you imagine having before it even happens.
Plus, Heather is breaking down how Terry proposed to her and it’s definitely not as glamorous as people would assume!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Heather Deubrow and I'm Terry debrou and we're going
to keep this between us. But now, really speaking of
our first topic, that was a very good segue. So
we came across Oprah's word of the Week and it
is pre annoyed, and I have to say, wait, had
you ever heard of this before?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I just heard about two seconds ago.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
When I read this word. I didn't even have to
read the description because I knew exactly what it was.
So when I was growing up and I wanted to
ask my mom to go to a party or go
do something whatever, I would get into a fight. I
knew I was going to ask her. I knew she
was going to say no. I would have an entire
fight with her in my head before I ever saw
(00:46):
her or picked up the phone. And by the time
she picked the phone, I was already annoyed.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Pre Annoyed is like you know, every once in a while,
you hear a song for the first time and you
swear you've heard it before.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's pre annoyed.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
When I heard the word pre annoyed exactly exactly what
is for me. Pre annoyed is when you have to
go out to dinner with that couple you saw five
weeks ago in a restaurant. Hey, let's get together and
you make drunk plans. You go, yeah, great, that'll be great,
and then all of a sudden, the day before you realize,
(01:19):
oh my god, I have to get together with that
cover I am just the.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Day before it annoy the day of. This is what
you do. You don't you never know what the schedule is.
And then when you know, oh, we're going out tonight
with so and so, you're annoyed. And then we get
in the car and this is what he will typically do.
He will look at me and go ten and I go,
(01:44):
what ten thousand, ten thousand? What ten thousand dollars? What
about ten thousand dollars? Terry? That's how much I would
pay to not go to dinner tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. We had a thing the other that I was
so annoyed about going to do you remember what it was? Now, yeah,
does this happen? Yeah? And I thought twenty thousand dollars
it would pay not to go. I was so annoyed
about going to But I will tell you something.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know, if it's a charitable event.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It was a charitable event.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But sometimes we'll just pay the money and not go.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I said to you, I go, why do we even
have to go? Let's just send them twenty thousand dollars
because that's what we're going to give them anyway, and
not show up.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Because by showing us support and support and just by
being on a press line and all of that, it's important.
It gives the charity of visibility.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Extraordinarily pre annoyed about that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
He was also just annoyed. There was pre annoyance, there
was annoyance, and I venture to say there was post annoyance.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But I will tell you first of all, you know,
I suspect.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
That we're in a simulation. Are we going to go
back to this? Oh my god, this.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Has to do with this? Okay, good that we're living
in a simulation anyway, No, this is really real, right right?
And I have noticed that if you get really pre
annoyed about something, whether it's going out with some friends
or a vacation that you don't want to go to
or something, it actually does that story arc thing that
(03:22):
you might see on a streaming show where you expect
it to be terrible and it weirdly turns out to
be amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
This might be morphing into pre dread. But here's the thing.
Sometimes you need to get past this. Like I will
talk to the kids on the fund and be like, oh,
I have to go to this mayor whatever, and I
don't want to go, and I'll say just go, you
never know, And I will say, we were supposed to
go to a I'm not going to say who's party,
but we were supposed to go to a party last
(03:51):
year at the holidays and Terry did not want to go.
You want to talk about pre annoyed. Oh my god,
he did not. We had been out for several nights
in a row because it was the holidays, and he
was his social battery, which is tiny to begive him.
He was done. Do you remember you were like, can
we not go?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And I said, no, we have to go, but we'll
just go and we'll have a drink and we'll leave
and we'll go to dinner. And you were so happy.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You were like I was, you know, well, when we
used to do these things a long time ago, you
were of the ilk. And I'm not criticizing, so don't
you know. Yeah's you are such a prim and proper person,
particular the way you grew up, I would say appropriate,
yeah that if you went.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
To a function, I'd have to say goodbye every.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Say goodbye hello to everyone, and before you could leave,
you have to say goodbye to everyone and thank them.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This might be like a New York Jewish thing too goodbye.
You ever seen Murray Hill Boy? You know that fabulous guy,
and we met him at the at the party I
threw in New York. I love him. He's so but
he does a hilarious imitation of his mother goodbye, good bye,
good bye, goodbye bye right bye bye bye bye darling.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Bye, which is the very worst thing to commit to,
because that means if you do want to escape early,
all you're doing is advertising the fact that you're leaving early,
and how rude it is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I've gotten much better.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, no, no, you've completely changed. You will walk into a
party of let's sucks, let's get out of here, and
you will and you will dash this Larry David guy
is when I love. When he's asked about do you
have to say goodbye to people at a party? Goes
absolutely not. You just disappear, you know, come latelyave early.
(05:39):
That's the way. Well.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I also do understand when you start saying goodbye to everyone.
It alerts alerts other people at the event that people
are leaving, that's right, which tends to make other people leave.
So it's actually what I realized later is it's almost
rude to alert the media to your departure. But anyway,
(06:00):
what I was going to say prior was that event
that I said, we'll just go have a drink and
leave because your social battery was dead. So we went
into this party and we had a drink and we
were going to just take a lap and go. And
we went into the second room and it was a
sit down dinner with police cards.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh I remember that, And I flipped, Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
My gosh, I turned around. I was so so scared
to turn around. I turned ound. I go, can't go
there's place cards. I mean it was two long tables
with plazeguards. Yes, I felt so bad. We had a
reservation of mister Chow's. We were out of there.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But here's the simulation component of it. Remember I told
you that the worst, the pre annoyance, sometimes the best,
the better the outcome. That turned out to be one
of the.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Most That was going to be my point. That turned
out to be one of the best things, because the
girl I was sitting across from ended up being someone
very significant in my life, and she's completely changed the
trajectory of my career and things that are going on,
and I love.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Her, and it was kind of a super enjoyable sit down.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It was great. So sometimes you got to go with
the foot.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's why I'm saying, sometimes there is a direct relationship,
or maybe an inverse relationship, no direct relationship between the
amount of pre annoyance and the enjoyableness of the event.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Here's the problem with the pre annoyance. Sometimes you're right,
like those phone calls with my mother, I knew she
was going to I knew I was going to be annoyed,
so I had every right to be pre annoyed, because
why give her to you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
The problem with pre annoyance is it can actually make
it worse because you're already in a bad mood, You're
already overly sensitive. There's this word that people don't know of,
and even people in the medical profession don't really know
this word. It's called no sebo. You don't know cibo
is Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I love this word.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, everyone knows what plus cibo.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
In case someone doesn't explain what a placebo is.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So placebo, as most people know, is you get a
positive effect from something that really has no effect just
because you expect it to happen.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We call it the placibatron, So meaning instead of taking advil,
you could take a sugar pill and be like, Wow,
my headache's gone. I feel so much better. That's the
placebo effect, right.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But there also is this thing called the no cibo effect,
where if someone tells you this treatment or this activity
is very commonly associated with something very negative side effects
physically or whatever, you will suffer those negative side effects
and anticipation of the of them happening. And that's called
(08:53):
no cibo. And so it doesn't seem to necessarily work
with pre annoyance because you would figure that pre annoyance,
you would I'm going to have the worst time. Therefore
you end up having the worst time because you expect it.
You have the wrong attitude, you give the wrong you
look for it, and you make it happen. But weirdly,
it kind of does the television story arc or movie
(09:15):
story arc where what's the worst thing can happen? Oh,
my god, the worst thing it can happen? Just out
of the blue and then you hero out of it
and everything's wonderful. And that often happens with the pre annoyance.
But I think that's what I wonder where she got
that from.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't know if that's so good. That's in astute
statement that you're It's an attitude thing. It is an
attitude thing, because when you are pre annoyed about something,
You're like, I'm going to make that bunk call and
this is going to be the result. I am going
to show up to this place and this is what's
going to happen. I'm going to show up and all
these women are going to be mean to me, or
I'm gonna, you know, call my mother and she's going
(09:48):
to say no, or I'm gonna go home, my husband's
going to be whatever. You're pre annoyed, and that attitude
it is.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's bad, but it's weird at this stage of my
life because I've had so much experience with pre annoyance
and the relatively positive experience that can follow up pre annoyance.
I also am very concerned and weary of going into
an event expecting to.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Have the greatest Oh, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And it always disappoints like New Year's the better the
New Year's you've always But the best example of that
is when everyone tells you that is the great.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Greatest movie of all times. I knew you were gonna
say it sucks terrible, because it's like when we all
saw Star Wars and people saw but Boris and although
that really didn't disappoint.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I will tell you when I saw Star Wars.
I saw it the first night it came out. I
was a child, yeah, And I was in a huge
line in Westwood at the Bruin that they when they
had those big movie theaters do. And I'm in line
and my best friend comes out he saw the first showing.
I think I was thirteen or team maybe, And I'm
(11:03):
in line and he walks down. He goes like this.
I go, what He goes, I don't want to say anything,
but you're about to see something that's going to blow
your mind. I go, really, He goes, I don't want
to say anything, And that's why people do that. I
don't want to say things. I don't want to rooin
it for you. I don't want to set your expectations.
And I've went in and saw you know, the galaxy
far far away a long time, and it was like
(11:25):
it was like whoa, that's one of those things that
really sort of did live up to the hype. Paris
is the only place, in my personal opinion, Saint bart
lives up to the hype.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Paris.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Venice is pretty cool now because Venice in the past
was a little dirty.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You were different.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, Paris, Oh, it's the most amazing place. You get there,
you go, this is in person. You agree, it is
one of the most amazing places.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So is it is it a self fulfilling prophecy? Are
we creating the reality? So if we are pre annoyed,
are we creating the reality that we are going to
have a bad time and we have a bad time
or we're just annoyed when the thing happens. Is it
important to recognize your pre annoyance.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And fix Well that's interesting because the other day there
was something that I anticipated was going to be the war.
I was sitting me.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Was it about me?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
No? No, no, an event we had to go to
just checking. I was so upset that we had to
go to this thing. I was so tired, I was
so not in the mood, and I was doing that
this happens often. I'm a victim and I'm being abused
by life kind of thing, and I go and then
he really feels, yes, it's a problem. Maybe I'm a
(12:48):
little weird.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, this is his real personagity.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So weirdly because I believe we're living in a simulation.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh lord, don't get him started.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Weirdly, We get the car to go there, and I
had this sinking suspicion, you're so not looking forward to this,
that this is going to weirdly be a good thing.
And it turned out to be a great thing.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But look at how you changed your attitude.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yes, it was a great thing. By the way, if
it sucks, it sucks. I don't care how much pre
annoyance or anticipation. If if there's something that's well, I
must say I okay, And then there's the other I
must say. But I'm over talking this. But you know,
you very much believe that you can create things.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh, listen to me. I am a manifestor like you cannot.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You cannot feel your way into a bad outcome. You
believe that. Yes, if I say this, I say, we're
going to get the table by the kitchen. Oh, he
creates We're going to get a table by the restaurant
where that guy comes out and goes, do not go
in there, And that's where that table we're.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Going to be right next to those children.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, he creates it's going to be a high volume
bathroom door that every time it opens you get the
waft of that guy's butthole. Who had never learned the
concept of the courtesy flush, by the way, we get it.
By the way, can we advertise the concept of the
curtesy flush for people.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
We finished this verse? Wait, do you guys know what
a courtesy flush is?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Time one knows? Not well, not in real life. Okay,
let me just teach you all something that I think
is important. A courtesy flush is related to the concept
that if you have to go to the bathroom in
a public place, okay, you've not timed your colonic activity appropriately,
you will.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Go by the way, you will have a colonic event anywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Okay, I mean, but I but if I have to
have a colon moment.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Women aren't like that. We say, slam shot. It's all
an appropriate time and place.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But if I'm going to a restaurant and it's like
a single stall restaurant, I go in there and I'm
having a moment, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And he ate the candies.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm like, I'm like this, okay, my hand is on
the thing, the plunder. I go bang boom, bang boom.
It's like a slot machine. Okay, it comes out, it
goes bing bing bing, and it goes right out and
there's no tilting because nobody's gonna smell it. Why do
people sit there and they'll like sit on it and go.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Because it's pig Like, what do they say, A pig
likes their own broth, sloth broth.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, but in that regard, I know this is becoming
this is by the way, this is becoming way too scatological.
But if just to finish the concept, because every guy
listening to this can relate to this.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
This is why people pass gas and flap the covers.
They enjoy their scent.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No, it's there's a whole thing. It's not dissimilar from
blowing your nose and looking into the tissue and going okay, people.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like to look at their poops created.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I must say, when I've had a really good moment
and I I flush, I'm disappointed because I don't get
to inspect it. And enjoy it and get the pleasure
of my creator. That So that's the problem with courtesy flush.
The funniest thing you ever get that satisfying.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
She's gonna kill me for telling this story. But the
funniest thing ever was we had moved down to Orange
County and I remember I was walking around the house
smoking cigarettes when I used to smoke the good old days,
and like, what am I doing here? And Jenny came down,
Jenny mccarth that came down to visit. We were hanging
out whatever. She goes to the bathrooms because she goes Heather,
(16:32):
You've got to see this, and she pulls me in
the bathroom to show me.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That's very Jenny the Lord.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean, it was the roundest circle of boop. And
she made me take a picture of her, which I
still have to this day. I've never published it, nor
would I without her consent.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Why did you put your face down there to selfie
with it?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
She did? Jenny's with the boop.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So I remember in college I was living in an
apartment and we went to this guy's house to hang
out with him.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
This conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You go into his bathroom and above the toilet was
like this greeting card that said can you top this?
And you open it up and it was a picture
of that toilet bowl with a It was more than
three hundred and sixty degrees. Oh yeah, Jenny could have
went around and then another time, so it was three
sixty plus one and it was you know, it was
(17:33):
five forty.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I think Jenny's got him.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, And all I could think of was because I
was in med school by then, I was thinking, how
long is the large intestine?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And I go, that's such a young thing to say.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, hemmy, who you're right? Henry Collins the transverse to
the DCE angle math And I looked at it. I
kind of like, and I think that was the entire
length of this guy's Now.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
He did a very He could have had a colonoscopy
at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But why is it sometimes when you're able to evacuate,
particularly thoroughly, that you feel so good. You don't just
feel good. It's almost like the beginning part of you know,
the well, this is like childbirth, you know, the first
quarter that Okay, you haven't eaten all day, and you
show up to the Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills
(18:24):
Hotel to meet some people you haven't seen for a while,
and it's a beautiful day, and they the first quarter
glass of wine the best. It's the same feeling when
you look down and it goes around the entire perimer
of the bowl.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You have that same satisfy and just.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Go and you want you like I don't. I know
I have to flush disappointing and I know I have
to walk out, So maybe I'll just take a moment
and enjoy it and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Let me ask you this, what is the phenomenon? And
maybe this is just a girl thing because I swear
like we don't go it's a thing? What is it?
When I don't don't think this happens to guys. But
with girls you can have to poop, like really badly.
You can have to go and if you miss the opportunity,
it goes away.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Train left the station, it goes.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Does it go back up? Does it go back through that?
What happens?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And it's not. It's like coming from Hartford, Connecticut two
hours away.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And it goes right back to the station. It's like
there's an accident. Turn around, man, you're going.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Back by the way. There is I think all guys
can relate to that too. You have the activity, it's
making the noise, You're getting uncomfortable, and you think I
better make this happen now, otherwise it's going to go. Yeah. No,
it does just.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That pre annoy you when you realize you have no
place good to go.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's unbelievably irritating. But that goes back to the my
favorite thing to do when I walk into a pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
We did this, like I done.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I get the sort of talk government we know. I
know in three hour call back two minutes ago. In
three hours, I'm going to have a can you top
this moment? So maybe I need greeting cards left in
the bathroom from now on, so when I do have
those wonderful experience, I can take a selfie and put
it of them.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't think you and I have ever discussed something
so disgusting for so long publicly.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean, that was a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But by the way, I will tell you that everyone
will relate to that.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, totally, but Terry and I. I mean, it's interesting
being married to a doctor because first of all, he
really doesn't care about us at all, Like, unless you
have blood profusely gushing from your head. And even still,
I think you would say pressure five minutes, five o'clock
and walk away. It's like nothing is bad because he
(20:49):
is a general surgeon too, and he's seen gunshot wounds
and all this crazy stuff. So any ailment that me
or the children could possibly have is not interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That's not unique to me. I've actually seen on TikTok
a Instagram some sun walks and goes, dad, I've got
blood coming from here. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, that's so funny. I see that.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, that's very fun.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
But I will say he he is the best when
something is really wrong, and even and people might not
even understand this. I don't even why I'm telling his story,
but when I gave birth to the twins, we went
we were at Cedars Sinai in La in the big
fancy room. And when I'm telling you, it was a
big fancy room. It was a big fancy room for
(21:30):
the airport Marriott that they charged you twenty thousand dollars
a night or something. Yes, it was crazy, but anyway,
we were there and I had preclamsia, so I had
to be on magnesium in this monitored room and you
get very sick.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You were very sick.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I was really sick and I didn't move for the
first day. So I had a see section, had the twins,
and no one gave me any pain medication and it
was like this like horrible period of time, and then
I couldn't beee do you remember? This couldn't be And
so they wanted to recatheterize me. You know what a
catherine is. They put it through the URETHRAA it's not
that pleasant, and I'm laying there, I'm in pain, and
(22:07):
for some reason none of the nurses could do it.
And Terry was so sweet and he was so irritated.
He pushed them aside and he did it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, I put a Foley Cather in your blosse.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yes you did, thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, I must say that now that's romantic. Well, I
went to med school and that I did seven years
of general surgery training. And in my era they don't
do this anymore, which is good they don't do it,
but it was good for us that they did do it.
In my era, you had no supervision. You stayed up
(22:39):
literally all night to the next night, every other night,
for sometimes three months. So you'd come at four am
and you'd leave the hospital the next day at ten pm.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Isn't that crazy? But how is that?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
And not even go to your call room and you'd
be operating and doing things the whole time. And we
got ten thousand hours in like a year. And that's
why in my day, when you came out of a
surgical training program, you could do and nothing scared you.
And I could slice someone open.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So why he was just like spread them, let me
put that gaveter in there.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, whatever, I don't care, that's why. Yeah. So it's
not it's I've done so much.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
That with me.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
No, because I don't see it. No, I mean, does
it you know, lose the mystery of you know, looking
at an animal when you've seen it animal now no, no, no,
But seeing it sliced up on your plate doesn't ruin this.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
This is not a good analogy. People do ask me though,
since you see naked people, mostly women all day, you know,
people ask if that's weird for me? No, why are
you making that weird? And does that? I mean, do
you look at me as a pre op?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's all no.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I mean when we first met, I was like, it's real, it's.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
All context like everything else. Yeah, I mean if you
think about it. For example, I know you're not going
to either, but if you think, yeah, if you think
about it, the sounds, the smells, the the what you're
looking at while you're having sex. If you take away
(24:30):
whatever hormonal and stimulatory experiences you're feeling, and just we're
doing that, you know, outside, and you weren't feeling anything,
you might think this is disgusting and weird.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Oh right, It's like if a kid walks in on
parents having sex. It looks very It's like, it looks aggressive, right.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But not only that. You might just go but in
the moment it's all very you know. Yeah, So it's context,
you know, So a fully catherine you to relieve you
from paying a distended bladder that could perforate and kill you.
That's kind of something I'm doesn't gross me out, and
(25:11):
it has no relationship to any sexual context at all.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Let's go back to pre annoyance. So what about travel
pre annoyance?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I have it massively.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah. There's two things in particular. One is weather.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh god, see, that's the simulation. If I expect the
weather to be good, it's gonna be terrible.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
See, I think we had bad weather karma for years years.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yep, well it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Didn't matter our fault. No some yes, like you go
to the rainiest place on our earth.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, I remember, we get there and you'd book this vacation.
I'm not ragglar. Oh you booked this vacation and it's raining.
And then I go to the guy at the hotel, Wow,
it's really rainy, goes, yeah, this is the rainiest week
of the year. Oh you're talking, And I go, wow,
we booked the most expensive room in the radiest week
of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Okay, now I need to qualify that. I was at
a charity event and there was this gorgeous five bedroom
condo and puntomita, and so I bid on it and
we got it. And then I realized they only offered
it for one week of the year, only one week,
and it is the rainiest week. Charitable, How generous of you.
(26:24):
So we went.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But I had let me offer you to use my
toilet when it's broken and has poop in it. Yeah,
that's basically the same kind of thing as a callback.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, thank you, we could. We can let that fish
go back into the stream anyway. So yeah, so she
this woman had put it you were only allowed to
go in the rainiest week of the year, so we'd
already paid for it. We invited all these people to
go with us, and it literally we kept thinking, it
can't rain everything every day, all every day. I think
(26:56):
there was two hours on one day it didn't rain.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So that's post annoyance.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That was bad.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I was so pissed in but we but forget about that, Like,
how charitable is that? Okay, but you just basically scammed us.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Anyway, we had bad weather karma for quite some time.
It didn't matter. We were going to the right place
at the wrong time, the wrong place at the right time,
or even the right place at the right time. For
some reason, we just got unlucky with weather until and
this is my opinion, but until I stopped looking. I
(27:32):
decided at one point, you know what, I'm going to
do my research. I'm going to see where we're going.
I'm going to find out the right time of year
to go, and you know what, other than that, there's
nothing you can do about it. And I have to say,
ever since I had that switch, we have had a
great weather.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Carry But you just acknowledge that you picked the best
time of year to go.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I used to do that too, though.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The worst time of a year ago.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Those were very isolated. And two times I messed up.
I love this. Two times I messed up. One was
that charity thing, which wasn't really my fault, and the
other time was you wanted to go to Hawaii and
you wanted to go to Kawai And I'm not really
a Hawaii person, like, and I don't really know. I
grew up on the East coast, like, I don't really
know a lot about Hawaii. So I looked for the
(28:18):
nicest hotel, which was Princeville, which is on the lush
side of the island. And I guess most people stay
in Poipoo, which is the drier side of the island,
but I didn't know that, so that was a fail. Yeah,
But other than that, I swear we were always going
to the right place at the right time. We just
got unlucky.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You have made traveling, which I don't like to do generally,
so much better And I kind of want to share
with people at the risk of bragging, because you know,
we try to never do that irritating you.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Know, However, we continue.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
However, the way we travel is so much easier than
the way we use to travel.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, that's for sure, but listen, you know we're older,
we have more resources, yes now, and we've learned, so
we know what we like, we know how to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But so, at the risk of bragging, should we tell
just the just the Really, this is something to strive
for for everybody in your life who wants to do
the finer things. And I'm not talking about jewelry and
you know, Famblist vacation. I just why, why, what? Why
don't want to talk about this because I think people
don't know this these even exists.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
No, no, why can't we talk about it? Okay, so
it's going to talk about Taylor show.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
When we travel, we don't go to the airport. We
go to this place that's about a mile and a
half before the airport and it looks like it might
as well be part of the CIA or Pentagon. It's
you have to give identification. These doors over them that
pull your car in, they're there, like five people are there.
(30:04):
They immediately take your bags and they take you into
this suite that's like a hotel suite.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And there's everything there that you would get it like
the Hudson News. So if you need a neck roll
or a razor, or a hand sanitizer or a charger.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's just all alcohol. It's all there. There's food, and
it's all freeze. It's all free.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's free for a fortune forgetting the sweep.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yes, okay. Then they take your ID and they take
your bags and.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
They have their own private TSA, so you don't you
never go into the airport. So you go there, they
handle your bags, You go through to TSA and then
they drive you on the tarmac to that.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You get into a perfectly brand new, clean BMW beautiful
there's right there on the tarmac.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And they drive you to the plane.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
They say when do you want to get When do
you want to board? Early? Middle or late? And they go, oh,
it's board late. Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
So then you're in room. They come and they go,
it's about thirty minutes to your boarding. Would you like
a cappuccino and not a glass of Shemer whatever? You go, no, no,
where you maybe a little more Vodkaza with those pleasure okay.
And then all of a sudden they coming, Okay, we'll
be boarding and we'll be leaving five minutes. Then they
take you out. They walk you through the TSA, which
is you.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
There's no one else there.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
By the way, we're not sponsored at all. We pay
full price, but it's called private suite. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah. And then you go out there and right before
you get into the brand new BMW there's like final beverages,
final things.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah, super nice.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah. And then you get into the BMW and they
drive you on the tarmac all the way to the
plane and then you walk up to the plane.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's like the place where you know, when you have
your kids and you're traveling, you hate your life, and
you drop your stroller right there at the gate check.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Because we've done that, right at the plane door.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, that's where you come up.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Then when you land, instead of going the jetway, the
door opens you immediately, it says to pro and you
mean to go who right down the stairs to the
brand new BMW with all this stuff, and they go
get your bags and you're in one of those rooms
while they're serving.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You and they bring your bags too.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah. So not bragging, I just want you to know
this is one of the reasons to really work hard
and try.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
To be successful, so you don't have to go to
the area.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Because one of the things that happened to me is
once I got significantly successful, I lost all interest in
material things. Well, I'm glad, it's it's like the worst
thing that ever happened. I don't I don't like cars, jewelry, clothes, nothing,
And I've got resources to have whatever I want and
I don't want anything. Well, the worst overlap in my life.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you're talking about this because
this is a good segue for me. I Well, first
of all, I just want to qualify something I didn't say,
you hate your life because you have children, because it's
hard to travel with children and strollers. That's what I meant.
No hate. Please, I'm glad you brought up this whole
subject because that's a good segue from my next conversation,
which is Taylor Swift. And you know Travis Kelsey got
(33:11):
engaged last week and did you see how beautiful the
proposal was?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh God, are we going down this road? Yes, we
are my least favorite conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
We are because we're right talking for you. Page shows proposals.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
What did he do? What do you do? How do
you propose to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Anyway, what do you do something romantic? You know what
he did? He did this gorgeous floral like set up
in his backyard and they were just I liked that
it was simple, and I don't want to harp too
much on them, but it was it was like simple
yet elaborate. Here it is and what I liked about,
(33:57):
I mean, that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Costs two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
That was the elaborate part. But the simple part was
I apparently her dad told the story or his dad
saying they were supposed to go out to dinner, right,
and he goes, hey, before we go out to dinner,
let's go grab a glass of wine and sit out
in the garden or whatever. And she's like, all right,
and went out and that's what it looked like. And
that was because here's the thing. I mean. I'm interested
(34:21):
because I think they're the closest to royalty, like to
a royal marriage that we have in the States. But
what I also find interesting, and I don't know the
answers to all this, but what I'm assuming is they
had already discussed getting married, that the prenup was probably
already worked out. I mean, I think all the financial
things and that stuff was probably already handled by the
(34:43):
time he planned this proposal, because I would think they're
smart enough to push that stuff out of the way
so they could, you know, enjoy it. And I did
notice there was no picture of her like this, as
girls sometimes do. Anyway, I bring this up because when
we we're getting engaged with this story again, well, the
(35:05):
people want to know, and I've gotten questions the way
since Taylor got engaged. People were like, how did Terry
propose to you? And that's a great story.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Let me tell you maybe that's another episode. No, no,
it's not, so like never happened episode.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So the lost episodes. So Terry and I because we
were older and we had talked about getting married, and
we had gone and done the ring together, as one
does when it's expensive, which makes sense. Not everything has
to be a surprise, but when you've already discussed these
(35:39):
things and you've already picked out the ring and it's
imminently happening, one would hope for a little thought put
into it, a little special moment. Now, granted, things aren't
as grandiose. They weren't as grandiose back then as they
are now right, Okay, I could live with that. However,
(36:03):
Terry and I were on a plane headed to Paris,
and of course I'm thinking, well, here we are going
to Paris. I'm assuming this is the moment. I pack
all the appropriate clothes, my nails are done. I am
ready for my Parisian moment, assuming it's happening, which I
(36:24):
think it might be happening, because I think the ring
is ready. And here we go. So we get on
this flight and we're sitting there next to each other
because this was before they had lie doown seats in
the first class. We were sitting up and we were
about five and a half hours into an eleven hour flight. Ladies,
(36:46):
what do you look like five and a half hours
into an eleven hour flight, after you've had two cocktails
and a salty meal and you're watching a bad movie?
What do you look like? I'm gonna tell you me,
not good anyway? Watching my movie. He's sitting next to
me watching the movie, and all of a sudden he
leaned over and kissed. When he's like I love you,
(37:06):
I'm like, I love you too, watching the movie, and
then again, but I really love you, go really love you.
Too watching the movie, and then finally goes, uh, well
will you marry me?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And I thought, in you know, you have twelve thoughts
in one second. I was like, oh my god, that sucked.
And then I, okay, you're not marrying the proposal, You're
marrying him, and I went yes, okay, and then we kissed,
and then he was so relieved it was over.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Why was he because the.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Ring was expensive, it was in his pocket, b bah
bah whatever. Other men have done this. And then he's
so relieved it over. He tells the flight attendant, who
presents me with a bottle of Limo Champs, that I
now feel bad leaving on the plane because they've all
signed it. That I have to walk around with this
(38:03):
Limo Shamps in my hands. And he's so happy it's over.
He goes back to his movie and he's fine. It's
like when you argue with a guy and two minutes
later they've forgotten about it and you stew for three days.
I'm in the seat now, fist irritated. I wasn't irritated.
That's the wrong word. I think I was disappointed would
(38:26):
be the word disappointed, not irritated. Disappointed, and I was like, yeah,
Ring's so great. I love him, and he's like not
paying attention to me anywhere. He's got the earphones on
and he's watching the movie.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Again.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I was like, I checked the books. But I will
tell you that I made more than made up for
it when I reproposed.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well, you made up for it a different time.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Actually, yeah, anyway, I reproposed. I'm probably multiple times, but
I know you did it. Lie.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
That is a lie, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I did it at the Beverly Hills Hotel. This is
true with this shiny thing that costs probably twice as
much money, probably more, Yes, in a much nicer way.
So I made up for it, so thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
So this was a terrible proposal. And again, this is
before social media, so I didn't even have you know
that that not fomo, but like that.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
By the way, thankfully, thank god it was before cell phones.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
So, no photos on the plane, there were no photos.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh no, I have a photo. Bullshit, I have photos.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I have a camera.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I had a camera. Oh, I photos of you on
the plane after we got engaged. Oh, I'm gonna go
find the photo, don't Oh, I have it. I'm gonna
find it. Okay. So the so listen, I didn't have
There was no social media, so I couldn't like feel
as horrible as I would today if I saw all
(39:56):
these gorgeous engagements and and honestly, every day some comes
into pilates, like this girl, Selene, She's so cute. She
came in. She told me what her fiance just set
up for her. I cried, I don't even know them.
It was so beautiful. Okay, So this is what happened.
So it was a terrible proposal. I let it go,
but I didn't. And then I said, and then, and
(40:17):
then I said, maybe someday there could be a gesture
that you could fix this. So what happened was I
think it was two or three years later. We were
living in LA I was on a TV show, Terry's
Commuting's working down in Orange County, and he goes, hey,
get dressed, I'm gonna take you out to dinner tonight.
(40:38):
I said, okay. So it was just a random night,
and so he drives all the way from Orange County
back home to the Palisades. We were living in the Palisades,
and I had like a like a hot little dress
on whatever, and he said, oh, you can't wear that.
You gotta change. And I was like why and he's like,
just wear's something more conservative, and so I changed. I
(41:02):
pulled out the only like white silk blouse I had
in a pair of slacks and I was like, good, Yes,
get in the car and we're driving and we're going
back south, like heading back down to Newport Beach. Driving, driving, driving,
I'm like, where are we going? And he kept stopping
and asking for directions and I found out later we
were just early, so he was, you know, stalling. So anyway,
(41:25):
so we're driving, dur driving, So we finally we pull
into this parking lot and I looked at the thing
and it said University Synagogue and I said, oh, isn't
this Rabbi Rockless's temple? Who is the man who married
us and the rabbi who married us who we love,
And he said.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh is it?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
He goes, I don't know, let's just we got to
go around this corner. So the Friday night service was
being let out and we're walking up and he walks
me into the temple. I'm like okay, and we walk
in and we see Rabbi Rockless and he looks at
me and he goes, you have a very romantic husband.
And I was like, I do, like what is going on?
So Terry pulls me off to the side and he
(42:05):
gives me this speech, and he said, I'll tell you
parts of it, but he basically said, look, when I
met you, and when I proposed, and when we got married,
I knew that I loved you and I wanted to
marry you and be with you for the rest of
my life. He goes, but I don't really think I understood,
you know, with my parents having been married so many
(42:26):
times each of them, and I didn't really get it.
He goes, and here we are on the precipice of
you know, wanting to have kids and start a family.
And and anyway, he proceeded from there to tell me
all these really beautiful things. And now I'm sobbing in
this like side. And Terry is not he's the best
(42:47):
man on the planet, but he's not always good at
saying those kinds of feelings. And he said all those
feelings and I was like, oh my god. And so
we walked into the temple and it was empty except
for the two of us and the rabbi and his
then fiance Rutie, who was also the cantor, who's the singer,
(43:09):
and the two of them remarried us, and they did
a ceremony for the two of us as if there
were three hundred people there, and it was just the
four of us, and it was because it was empty.
It was like echoey and beautiful. And then at the end,
Rutie sang this song with her, just her and her guitar,
so the Robert Browning poem grow old with me, the
(43:31):
best is yet to be. Mary Chapin Carpenter had put
it to music, and she stood there and she sang it,
and the two of them were engaged, and we were
still newlyweds, you know, three years whatever. She sang it,
and we just all stood there, the four of us,
and cried, hugged, and it was so meaningful. He just
(43:54):
said to me, I wanted to marry you alone.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
So if I have then made up for it, why
do we keep telling the story.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Because there's more jewelry to be had.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Thank goodness that I've lost interest in all these things.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
I'm just kidding, But isn't that so sweet? It was
the sweetest thing ever maybe the most I have to say,
maybe the most romantic thing you've ever done.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
So there was Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. They were
Ben Benefit right.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
What are we tether? No?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
There was there was who Jennifer Aniston and uh.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
I don't they that's called being shipped.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
What are Travis Kelcey and Taylor's what do they call them?
They have a name for him yet, I'm sure they do.
It's got to be trav trailer. It's like trailer trash.
I don't know what do you call them?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You've been working on that one for I haven't.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yes, I was thinking Davis, they're by the way, they're
not trailer trash. No, but Tavis, to be hones us
with you, sounds like an anatomical structure somewhere between the
taint the Germanium and the front of the the anti Genitalia.
It's just three centimeters antiers of the taint.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
It always comes back to the rectum. People, Just so
you know, stick with us, because when he says between us,
what he means is between them.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yes, that's like my taint, my train, what is it?
What are they called trains?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Taint? Tain't here? Tat there not.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Taint Travis, Trent, Tavis, Tavish.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Tavis, Oh my Tavis.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Redness in my Tavis. My might meet my Tavis. I
might need some antibiotics.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, I might see I might need some ointment from
my table. Well, thank you for listening, and remember that
we release episodes every Wednesday at four am Pacific and
you can listen on the iHeartRadio Appple Podcasts, or wherever
you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Weirdest podcast ever
I'm Heather Deubrow and I'm Terry debrou and we're going
to keep this between us. But now, really speaking of
our first topic, that was a very good segue. So
we came across Oprah's word of the Week and it
is pre annoyed, and I have to say, wait, had
you ever heard of this before?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I just heard about two seconds ago.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
When I read this word. I didn't even have to
read the description because I knew exactly what it was.
So when I was growing up and I wanted to
ask my mom to go to a party or go
do something whatever, I would get into a fight. I
knew I was going to ask her. I knew she
was going to say no. I would have an entire
fight with her in my head before I ever saw
(00:46):
her or picked up the phone. And by the time
she picked the phone, I was already annoyed.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Pre Annoyed is like you know, every once in a while,
you hear a song for the first time and you
swear you've heard it before.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's pre annoyed.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
When I heard the word pre annoyed exactly exactly what
is for me. Pre annoyed is when you have to
go out to dinner with that couple you saw five
weeks ago in a restaurant. Hey, let's get together and
you make drunk plans. You go, yeah, great, that'll be great,
and then all of a sudden, the day before you realize,
(01:19):
oh my god, I have to get together with that
cover I am just the.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Day before it annoy the day of. This is what
you do. You don't you never know what the schedule is.
And then when you know, oh, we're going out tonight
with so and so, you're annoyed. And then we get
in the car and this is what he will typically do.
He will look at me and go ten and I go,
(01:44):
what ten thousand, ten thousand? What ten thousand dollars? What
about ten thousand dollars? Terry? That's how much I would
pay to not go to dinner tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. We had a thing the other that I was
so annoyed about going to do you remember what it was? Now, yeah,
does this happen? Yeah? And I thought twenty thousand dollars
it would pay not to go. I was so annoyed
about going to But I will tell you something.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know, if it's a charitable event.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It was a charitable event.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But sometimes we'll just pay the money and not go.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I said to you, I go, why do we even
have to go? Let's just send them twenty thousand dollars
because that's what we're going to give them anyway, and
not show up.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Because by showing us support and support and just by
being on a press line and all of that, it's important.
It gives the charity of visibility.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Extraordinarily pre annoyed about that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
He was also just annoyed. There was pre annoyance, there
was annoyance, and I venture to say there was post annoyance.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But I will tell you first of all, you know,
I suspect.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
That we're in a simulation. Are we going to go
back to this? Oh my god, this.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Has to do with this? Okay, good that we're living
in a simulation anyway, No, this is really real, right right?
And I have noticed that if you get really pre
annoyed about something, whether it's going out with some friends
or a vacation that you don't want to go to
or something, it actually does that story arc thing that
(03:22):
you might see on a streaming show where you expect
it to be terrible and it weirdly turns out to
be amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
This might be morphing into pre dread. But here's the thing.
Sometimes you need to get past this. Like I will
talk to the kids on the fund and be like, oh,
I have to go to this mayor whatever, and I
don't want to go, and I'll say just go, you
never know, And I will say, we were supposed to
go to a I'm not going to say who's party,
but we were supposed to go to a party last
(03:51):
year at the holidays and Terry did not want to go.
You want to talk about pre annoyed. Oh my god,
he did not. We had been out for several nights
in a row because it was the holidays, and he
was his social battery, which is tiny to begive him.
He was done. Do you remember you were like, can
we not go?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And I said, no, we have to go, but we'll
just go and we'll have a drink and we'll leave
and we'll go to dinner. And you were so happy.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You were like I was, you know, well, when we
used to do these things a long time ago, you
were of the ilk. And I'm not criticizing, so don't
you know. Yeah's you are such a prim and proper person,
particular the way you grew up, I would say appropriate,
yeah that if you went.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
To a function, I'd have to say goodbye every.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Say goodbye hello to everyone, and before you could leave,
you have to say goodbye to everyone and thank them.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This might be like a New York Jewish thing too goodbye.
You ever seen Murray Hill Boy? You know that fabulous guy,
and we met him at the at the party I
threw in New York. I love him. He's so but
he does a hilarious imitation of his mother goodbye, good bye,
good bye, goodbye bye right bye bye bye bye darling.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Bye, which is the very worst thing to commit to,
because that means if you do want to escape early,
all you're doing is advertising the fact that you're leaving early,
and how rude it is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I've gotten much better.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, no, no, you've completely changed. You will walk into a
party of let's sucks, let's get out of here, and
you will and you will dash this Larry David guy
is when I love. When he's asked about do you
have to say goodbye to people at a party? Goes
absolutely not. You just disappear, you know, come latelyave early.
(05:39):
That's the way. Well.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I also do understand when you start saying goodbye to everyone.
It alerts alerts other people at the event that people
are leaving, that's right, which tends to make other people leave.
So it's actually what I realized later is it's almost
rude to alert the media to your departure. But anyway,
(06:00):
what I was going to say prior was that event
that I said, we'll just go have a drink and
leave because your social battery was dead. So we went
into this party and we had a drink and we
were going to just take a lap and go. And
we went into the second room and it was a
sit down dinner with police cards.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh I remember that, And I flipped, Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
My gosh, I turned around. I was so so scared
to turn around. I turned ound. I go, can't go
there's place cards. I mean it was two long tables
with plazeguards. Yes, I felt so bad. We had a
reservation of mister Chow's. We were out of there.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But here's the simulation component of it. Remember I told
you that the worst, the pre annoyance, sometimes the best,
the better the outcome. That turned out to be one
of the.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Most That was going to be my point. That turned
out to be one of the best things, because the
girl I was sitting across from ended up being someone
very significant in my life, and she's completely changed the
trajectory of my career and things that are going on,
and I love.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Her, and it was kind of a super enjoyable sit down.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It was great. So sometimes you got to go with
the foot.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's why I'm saying, sometimes there is a direct relationship,
or maybe an inverse relationship, no direct relationship between the
amount of pre annoyance and the enjoyableness of the event.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Here's the problem with the pre annoyance. Sometimes you're right,
like those phone calls with my mother, I knew she
was going to I knew I was going to be annoyed,
so I had every right to be pre annoyed, because
why give her to you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
The problem with pre annoyance is it can actually make
it worse because you're already in a bad mood, You're
already overly sensitive. There's this word that people don't know of,
and even people in the medical profession don't really know
this word. It's called no sebo. You don't know cibo
is Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I love this word.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, everyone knows what plus cibo.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
In case someone doesn't explain what a placebo is.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So placebo, as most people know, is you get a
positive effect from something that really has no effect just
because you expect it to happen.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We call it the placibatron, So meaning instead of taking advil,
you could take a sugar pill and be like, Wow,
my headache's gone. I feel so much better. That's the
placebo effect, right.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But there also is this thing called the no cibo effect,
where if someone tells you this treatment or this activity
is very commonly associated with something very negative side effects
physically or whatever, you will suffer those negative side effects
and anticipation of the of them happening. And that's called
(08:53):
no cibo. And so it doesn't seem to necessarily work
with pre annoyance because you would figure that pre annoyance,
you would I'm going to have the worst time. Therefore
you end up having the worst time because you expect it.
You have the wrong attitude, you give the wrong you
look for it, and you make it happen. But weirdly,
it kind of does the television story arc or movie
(09:15):
story arc where what's the worst thing can happen? Oh,
my god, the worst thing it can happen? Just out
of the blue and then you hero out of it
and everything's wonderful. And that often happens with the pre annoyance.
But I think that's what I wonder where she got
that from.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't know if that's so good. That's in astute
statement that you're It's an attitude thing. It is an
attitude thing, because when you are pre annoyed about something,
You're like, I'm going to make that bunk call and
this is going to be the result. I am going
to show up to this place and this is what's
going to happen. I'm going to show up and all
these women are going to be mean to me, or
I'm gonna, you know, call my mother and she's going
(09:48):
to say no, or I'm gonna go home, my husband's
going to be whatever. You're pre annoyed, and that attitude
it is.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's bad, but it's weird at this stage of my
life because I've had so much experience with pre annoyance
and the relatively positive experience that can follow up pre annoyance.
I also am very concerned and weary of going into
an event expecting to.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Have the greatest Oh, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And it always disappoints like New Year's the better the
New Year's you've always But the best example of that
is when everyone tells you that is the great.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Greatest movie of all times. I knew you were gonna
say it sucks terrible, because it's like when we all
saw Star Wars and people saw but Boris and although
that really didn't disappoint.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I will tell you when I saw Star Wars.
I saw it the first night it came out. I
was a child, yeah, And I was in a huge
line in Westwood at the Bruin that they when they
had those big movie theaters do. And I'm in line
and my best friend comes out he saw the first showing.
I think I was thirteen or team maybe, And I'm
(11:03):
in line and he walks down. He goes like this.
I go, what He goes, I don't want to say anything,
but you're about to see something that's going to blow
your mind. I go, really, He goes, I don't want
to say anything, And that's why people do that. I
don't want to say things. I don't want to rooin
it for you. I don't want to set your expectations.
And I've went in and saw you know, the galaxy
far far away a long time, and it was like
(11:25):
it was like whoa, that's one of those things that
really sort of did live up to the hype. Paris
is the only place, in my personal opinion, Saint bart
lives up to the hype.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Paris.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Venice is pretty cool now because Venice in the past
was a little dirty.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You were different.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, Paris, Oh, it's the most amazing place. You get there,
you go, this is in person. You agree, it is
one of the most amazing places.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So is it is it a self fulfilling prophecy? Are
we creating the reality? So if we are pre annoyed,
are we creating the reality that we are going to
have a bad time and we have a bad time
or we're just annoyed when the thing happens. Is it
important to recognize your pre annoyance.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And fix Well that's interesting because the other day there
was something that I anticipated was going to be the war.
I was sitting me.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Was it about me?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
No? No, no, an event we had to go to
just checking. I was so upset that we had to
go to this thing. I was so tired, I was
so not in the mood, and I was doing that
this happens often. I'm a victim and I'm being abused
by life kind of thing, and I go and then
he really feels, yes, it's a problem. Maybe I'm a
(12:48):
little weird.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, this is his real personagity.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So weirdly because I believe we're living in a simulation.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh lord, don't get him started.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Weirdly, We get the car to go there, and I
had this sinking suspicion, you're so not looking forward to this,
that this is going to weirdly be a good thing.
And it turned out to be a great thing.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But look at how you changed your attitude.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yes, it was a great thing. By the way, if
it sucks, it sucks. I don't care how much pre
annoyance or anticipation. If if there's something that's well, I
must say I okay, And then there's the other I
must say. But I'm over talking this. But you know,
you very much believe that you can create things.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh, listen to me. I am a manifestor like you cannot.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You cannot feel your way into a bad outcome. You
believe that. Yes, if I say this, I say, we're
going to get the table by the kitchen. Oh, he
creates We're going to get a table by the restaurant
where that guy comes out and goes, do not go
in there, And that's where that table we're.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Going to be right next to those children.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, he creates it's going to be a high volume
bathroom door that every time it opens you get the
waft of that guy's butthole. Who had never learned the
concept of the courtesy flush, by the way, we get it.
By the way, can we advertise the concept of the
curtesy flush for people.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
We finished this verse? Wait, do you guys know what
a courtesy flush is?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Time one knows? Not well, not in real life. Okay,
let me just teach you all something that I think
is important. A courtesy flush is related to the concept
that if you have to go to the bathroom in
a public place, okay, you've not timed your colonic activity appropriately,
you will.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Go by the way, you will have a colonic event anywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Okay, I mean, but I but if I have to
have a colon moment.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Women aren't like that. We say, slam shot. It's all
an appropriate time and place.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But if I'm going to a restaurant and it's like
a single stall restaurant, I go in there and I'm
having a moment, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And he ate the candies.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm like, I'm like this, okay, my hand is on
the thing, the plunder. I go bang boom, bang boom.
It's like a slot machine. Okay, it comes out, it
goes bing bing bing, and it goes right out and
there's no tilting because nobody's gonna smell it. Why do
people sit there and they'll like sit on it and go.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Because it's pig Like, what do they say, A pig
likes their own broth, sloth broth.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, but in that regard, I know this is becoming
this is by the way, this is becoming way too scatological.
But if just to finish the concept, because every guy
listening to this can relate to this.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
This is why people pass gas and flap the covers.
They enjoy their scent.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No, it's there's a whole thing. It's not dissimilar from
blowing your nose and looking into the tissue and going okay, people.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like to look at their poops created.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I must say, when I've had a really good moment
and I I flush, I'm disappointed because I don't get
to inspect it. And enjoy it and get the pleasure
of my creator. That So that's the problem with courtesy flush.
The funniest thing you ever get that satisfying.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
She's gonna kill me for telling this story. But the
funniest thing ever was we had moved down to Orange
County and I remember I was walking around the house
smoking cigarettes when I used to smoke the good old days,
and like, what am I doing here? And Jenny came down,
Jenny mccarth that came down to visit. We were hanging
out whatever. She goes to the bathrooms because she goes Heather,
(16:32):
You've got to see this, and she pulls me in
the bathroom to show me.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That's very Jenny the Lord.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean, it was the roundest circle of boop. And
she made me take a picture of her, which I
still have to this day. I've never published it, nor
would I without her consent.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Why did you put your face down there to selfie
with it?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
She did? Jenny's with the boop.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So I remember in college I was living in an
apartment and we went to this guy's house to hang
out with him.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
This conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You go into his bathroom and above the toilet was
like this greeting card that said can you top this?
And you open it up and it was a picture
of that toilet bowl with a It was more than
three hundred and sixty degrees. Oh yeah, Jenny could have
went around and then another time, so it was three
sixty plus one and it was you know, it was
(17:33):
five forty.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I think Jenny's got him.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, And all I could think of was because I
was in med school by then, I was thinking, how
long is the large intestine?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And I go, that's such a young thing to say.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, hemmy, who you're right? Henry Collins the transverse to
the DCE angle math And I looked at it. I
kind of like, and I think that was the entire
length of this guy's Now.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
He did a very He could have had a colonoscopy
at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But why is it sometimes when you're able to evacuate,
particularly thoroughly, that you feel so good. You don't just
feel good. It's almost like the beginning part of you know,
the well, this is like childbirth, you know, the first
quarter that Okay, you haven't eaten all day, and you
show up to the Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills
(18:24):
Hotel to meet some people you haven't seen for a while,
and it's a beautiful day, and they the first quarter
glass of wine the best. It's the same feeling when
you look down and it goes around the entire perimer
of the bowl.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You have that same satisfy and just.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Go and you want you like I don't. I know
I have to flush disappointing and I know I have
to walk out, So maybe I'll just take a moment
and enjoy it and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Let me ask you this, what is the phenomenon? And
maybe this is just a girl thing because I swear
like we don't go it's a thing? What is it?
When I don't don't think this happens to guys. But
with girls you can have to poop, like really badly.
You can have to go and if you miss the opportunity,
it goes away.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Train left the station, it goes.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Does it go back up? Does it go back through that?
What happens?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And it's not. It's like coming from Hartford, Connecticut two
hours away.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And it goes right back to the station. It's like
there's an accident. Turn around, man, you're going.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Back by the way. There is I think all guys
can relate to that too. You have the activity, it's
making the noise, You're getting uncomfortable, and you think I
better make this happen now, otherwise it's going to go. Yeah. No,
it does just.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That pre annoy you when you realize you have no
place good to go.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's unbelievably irritating. But that goes back to the my
favorite thing to do when I walk into a pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
We did this, like I done.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I get the sort of talk government we know. I
know in three hour call back two minutes ago. In
three hours, I'm going to have a can you top
this moment? So maybe I need greeting cards left in
the bathroom from now on, so when I do have
those wonderful experience, I can take a selfie and put
it of them.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't think you and I have ever discussed something
so disgusting for so long publicly.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean, that was a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But by the way, I will tell you that everyone
will relate to that.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, totally, but Terry and I. I mean, it's interesting
being married to a doctor because first of all, he
really doesn't care about us at all, Like, unless you
have blood profusely gushing from your head. And even still,
I think you would say pressure five minutes, five o'clock
and walk away. It's like nothing is bad because he
(20:49):
is a general surgeon too, and he's seen gunshot wounds
and all this crazy stuff. So any ailment that me
or the children could possibly have is not interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That's not unique to me. I've actually seen on TikTok
a Instagram some sun walks and goes, dad, I've got
blood coming from here. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, that's so funny. I see that.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, that's very fun.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
But I will say he he is the best when
something is really wrong, and even and people might not
even understand this. I don't even why I'm telling his story,
but when I gave birth to the twins, we went
we were at Cedars Sinai in La in the big
fancy room. And when I'm telling you, it was a
big fancy room. It was a big fancy room for
(21:30):
the airport Marriott that they charged you twenty thousand dollars
a night or something. Yes, it was crazy, but anyway,
we were there and I had preclamsia, so I had
to be on magnesium in this monitored room and you
get very sick.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You were very sick.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I was really sick and I didn't move for the
first day. So I had a see section, had the twins,
and no one gave me any pain medication and it
was like this like horrible period of time, and then
I couldn't beee do you remember? This couldn't be And
so they wanted to recatheterize me. You know what a
catherine is. They put it through the URETHRAA it's not
that pleasant, and I'm laying there, I'm in pain, and
(22:07):
for some reason none of the nurses could do it.
And Terry was so sweet and he was so irritated.
He pushed them aside and he did it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, I put a Foley Cather in your blosse.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yes you did, thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, I must say that now that's romantic. Well, I
went to med school and that I did seven years
of general surgery training. And in my era they don't
do this anymore, which is good they don't do it,
but it was good for us that they did do it.
In my era, you had no supervision. You stayed up
(22:39):
literally all night to the next night, every other night,
for sometimes three months. So you'd come at four am
and you'd leave the hospital the next day at ten pm.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Isn't that crazy? But how is that?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
And not even go to your call room and you'd
be operating and doing things the whole time. And we
got ten thousand hours in like a year. And that's
why in my day, when you came out of a
surgical training program, you could do and nothing scared you.
And I could slice someone open.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So why he was just like spread them, let me
put that gaveter in there.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, whatever, I don't care, that's why. Yeah. So it's
not it's I've done so much.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
That with me.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
No, because I don't see it. No, I mean, does
it you know, lose the mystery of you know, looking
at an animal when you've seen it animal now no, no, no,
But seeing it sliced up on your plate doesn't ruin this.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
This is not a good analogy. People do ask me though,
since you see naked people, mostly women all day, you know,
people ask if that's weird for me? No, why are
you making that weird? And does that? I mean, do
you look at me as a pre op?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's all no.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I mean when we first met, I was like, it's real, it's.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
All context like everything else. Yeah, I mean if you
think about it. For example, I know you're not going
to either, but if you think, yeah, if you think
about it, the sounds, the smells, the the what you're
looking at while you're having sex. If you take away
(24:30):
whatever hormonal and stimulatory experiences you're feeling, and just we're
doing that, you know, outside, and you weren't feeling anything,
you might think this is disgusting and weird.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Oh right, It's like if a kid walks in on
parents having sex. It looks very It's like, it looks aggressive, right.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But not only that. You might just go but in
the moment it's all very you know. Yeah, So it's context,
you know, So a fully catherine you to relieve you
from paying a distended bladder that could perforate and kill you.
That's kind of something I'm doesn't gross me out, and
(25:11):
it has no relationship to any sexual context at all.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Let's go back to pre annoyance. So what about travel
pre annoyance?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I have it massively.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah. There's two things in particular. One is weather.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh god, see, that's the simulation. If I expect the
weather to be good, it's gonna be terrible.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
See, I think we had bad weather karma for years years.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yep, well it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Didn't matter our fault. No some yes, like you go
to the rainiest place on our earth.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, I remember, we get there and you'd book this vacation.
I'm not ragglar. Oh you booked this vacation and it's raining.
And then I go to the guy at the hotel, Wow,
it's really rainy, goes, yeah, this is the rainiest week
of the year. Oh you're talking, And I go, wow,
we booked the most expensive room in the radiest week
of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Okay, now I need to qualify that. I was at
a charity event and there was this gorgeous five bedroom
condo and puntomita, and so I bid on it and
we got it. And then I realized they only offered
it for one week of the year, only one week,
and it is the rainiest week. Charitable, How generous of you.
(26:24):
So we went.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But I had let me offer you to use my
toilet when it's broken and has poop in it. Yeah,
that's basically the same kind of thing as a callback.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, thank you, we could. We can let that fish
go back into the stream anyway. So yeah, so she
this woman had put it you were only allowed to
go in the rainiest week of the year, so we'd
already paid for it. We invited all these people to
go with us, and it literally we kept thinking, it
can't rain everything every day, all every day. I think
(26:56):
there was two hours on one day it didn't rain.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So that's post annoyance.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That was bad.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I was so pissed in but we but forget about that, Like,
how charitable is that? Okay, but you just basically scammed us.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Anyway, we had bad weather karma for quite some time.
It didn't matter. We were going to the right place
at the wrong time, the wrong place at the right time,
or even the right place at the right time. For
some reason, we just got unlucky with weather until and
this is my opinion, but until I stopped looking. I
(27:32):
decided at one point, you know what, I'm going to
do my research. I'm going to see where we're going.
I'm going to find out the right time of year
to go, and you know what, other than that, there's
nothing you can do about it. And I have to say,
ever since I had that switch, we have had a
great weather.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Carry But you just acknowledge that you picked the best
time of year to go.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I used to do that too, though.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The worst time of a year ago.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Those were very isolated. And two times I messed up.
I love this. Two times I messed up. One was
that charity thing, which wasn't really my fault, and the
other time was you wanted to go to Hawaii and
you wanted to go to Kawai And I'm not really
a Hawaii person, like, and I don't really know. I
grew up on the East coast, like, I don't really
know a lot about Hawaii. So I looked for the
(28:18):
nicest hotel, which was Princeville, which is on the lush
side of the island. And I guess most people stay
in Poipoo, which is the drier side of the island,
but I didn't know that, so that was a fail. Yeah,
But other than that, I swear we were always going
to the right place at the right time. We just
got unlucky.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You have made traveling, which I don't like to do generally,
so much better And I kind of want to share
with people at the risk of bragging, because you know,
we try to never do that irritating you.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Know, However, we continue.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
However, the way we travel is so much easier than
the way we use to travel.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, that's for sure, but listen, you know we're older,
we have more resources, yes now, and we've learned, so
we know what we like, we know how to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But so, at the risk of bragging, should we tell
just the just the Really, this is something to strive
for for everybody in your life who wants to do
the finer things. And I'm not talking about jewelry and
you know, Famblist vacation. I just why, why, what? Why
don't want to talk about this because I think people
don't know this these even exists.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
No, no, why can't we talk about it? Okay, so
it's going to talk about Taylor show.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
When we travel, we don't go to the airport. We
go to this place that's about a mile and a
half before the airport and it looks like it might
as well be part of the CIA or Pentagon. It's
you have to give identification. These doors over them that
pull your car in, they're there, like five people are there.
(30:04):
They immediately take your bags and they take you into
this suite that's like a hotel suite.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And there's everything there that you would get it like
the Hudson News. So if you need a neck roll
or a razor, or a hand sanitizer or a charger.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's just all alcohol. It's all there. There's food, and
it's all freeze. It's all free.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's free for a fortune forgetting the sweep.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yes, okay. Then they take your ID and they take
your bags and.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
They have their own private TSA, so you don't you
never go into the airport. So you go there, they
handle your bags, You go through to TSA and then
they drive you on the tarmac to that.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You get into a perfectly brand new, clean BMW beautiful
there's right there on the tarmac.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And they drive you to the plane.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
They say when do you want to get When do
you want to board? Early? Middle or late? And they go, oh,
it's board late. Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
So then you're in room. They come and they go,
it's about thirty minutes to your boarding. Would you like
a cappuccino and not a glass of Shemer whatever? You go, no, no,
where you maybe a little more Vodkaza with those pleasure okay.
And then all of a sudden they coming, Okay, we'll
be boarding and we'll be leaving five minutes. Then they
take you out. They walk you through the TSA, which
is you.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
There's no one else there.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
By the way, we're not sponsored at all. We pay
full price, but it's called private suite. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah. And then you go out there and right before
you get into the brand new BMW there's like final beverages,
final things.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah, super nice.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah. And then you get into the BMW and they
drive you on the tarmac all the way to the
plane and then you walk up to the plane.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's like the place where you know, when you have
your kids and you're traveling, you hate your life, and
you drop your stroller right there at the gate check.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Because we've done that, right at the plane door.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, that's where you come up.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Then when you land, instead of going the jetway, the
door opens you immediately, it says to pro and you
mean to go who right down the stairs to the
brand new BMW with all this stuff, and they go
get your bags and you're in one of those rooms
while they're serving.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You and they bring your bags too.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah. So not bragging, I just want you to know
this is one of the reasons to really work hard
and try.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
To be successful, so you don't have to go to
the area.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Because one of the things that happened to me is
once I got significantly successful, I lost all interest in
material things. Well, I'm glad, it's it's like the worst
thing that ever happened. I don't I don't like cars, jewelry, clothes, nothing,
And I've got resources to have whatever I want and
I don't want anything. Well, the worst overlap in my life.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you're talking about this because
this is a good segue for me. I Well, first
of all, I just want to qualify something I didn't say,
you hate your life because you have children, because it's
hard to travel with children and strollers. That's what I meant.
No hate. Please, I'm glad you brought up this whole
subject because that's a good segue from my next conversation,
which is Taylor Swift. And you know Travis Kelsey got
(33:11):
engaged last week and did you see how beautiful the
proposal was?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh God, are we going down this road? Yes, we
are my least favorite conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
We are because we're right talking for you. Page shows proposals.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
What did he do? What do you do? How do
you propose to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Anyway, what do you do something romantic? You know what
he did? He did this gorgeous floral like set up
in his backyard and they were just I liked that
it was simple, and I don't want to harp too
much on them, but it was it was like simple
yet elaborate. Here it is and what I liked about,
(33:57):
I mean, that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Costs two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
That was the elaborate part. But the simple part was
I apparently her dad told the story or his dad
saying they were supposed to go out to dinner, right,
and he goes, hey, before we go out to dinner,
let's go grab a glass of wine and sit out
in the garden or whatever. And she's like, all right,
and went out and that's what it looked like. And
that was because here's the thing. I mean. I'm interested
(34:21):
because I think they're the closest to royalty, like to
a royal marriage that we have in the States. But
what I also find interesting, and I don't know the
answers to all this, but what I'm assuming is they
had already discussed getting married, that the prenup was probably
already worked out. I mean, I think all the financial
things and that stuff was probably already handled by the
(34:43):
time he planned this proposal, because I would think they're
smart enough to push that stuff out of the way
so they could, you know, enjoy it. And I did
notice there was no picture of her like this, as
girls sometimes do. Anyway, I bring this up because when
we we're getting engaged with this story again, well, the
(35:05):
people want to know, and I've gotten questions the way
since Taylor got engaged. People were like, how did Terry
propose to you? And that's a great story.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Let me tell you maybe that's another episode. No, no,
it's not, so like never happened episode.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So the lost episodes. So Terry and I because we
were older and we had talked about getting married, and
we had gone and done the ring together, as one
does when it's expensive, which makes sense. Not everything has
to be a surprise, but when you've already discussed these
(35:39):
things and you've already picked out the ring and it's
imminently happening, one would hope for a little thought put
into it, a little special moment. Now, granted, things aren't
as grandiose. They weren't as grandiose back then as they
are now right, Okay, I could live with that. However,
(36:03):
Terry and I were on a plane headed to Paris,
and of course I'm thinking, well, here we are going
to Paris. I'm assuming this is the moment. I pack
all the appropriate clothes, my nails are done. I am
ready for my Parisian moment, assuming it's happening, which I
(36:24):
think it might be happening, because I think the ring
is ready. And here we go. So we get on
this flight and we're sitting there next to each other
because this was before they had lie doown seats in
the first class. We were sitting up and we were
about five and a half hours into an eleven hour flight. Ladies,
(36:46):
what do you look like five and a half hours
into an eleven hour flight, after you've had two cocktails
and a salty meal and you're watching a bad movie?
What do you look like? I'm gonna tell you me,
not good anyway? Watching my movie. He's sitting next to
me watching the movie, and all of a sudden he
leaned over and kissed. When he's like I love you,
(37:06):
I'm like, I love you too, watching the movie, and
then again, but I really love you, go really love you.
Too watching the movie, and then finally goes, uh, well
will you marry me?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And I thought, in you know, you have twelve thoughts
in one second. I was like, oh my god, that sucked.
And then I, okay, you're not marrying the proposal, You're
marrying him, and I went yes, okay, and then we kissed,
and then he was so relieved it was over.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Why was he because the.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Ring was expensive, it was in his pocket, b bah
bah whatever. Other men have done this. And then he's
so relieved it over. He tells the flight attendant, who
presents me with a bottle of Limo Champs, that I
now feel bad leaving on the plane because they've all
signed it. That I have to walk around with this
(38:03):
Limo Shamps in my hands. And he's so happy it's over.
He goes back to his movie and he's fine. It's
like when you argue with a guy and two minutes
later they've forgotten about it and you stew for three days.
I'm in the seat now, fist irritated. I wasn't irritated.
That's the wrong word. I think I was disappointed would
(38:26):
be the word disappointed, not irritated. Disappointed, and I was like, yeah,
Ring's so great. I love him, and he's like not
paying attention to me anywhere. He's got the earphones on
and he's watching the movie.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Again.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I was like, I checked the books. But I will
tell you that I made more than made up for
it when I reproposed.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well, you made up for it a different time.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Actually, yeah, anyway, I reproposed. I'm probably multiple times, but
I know you did it. Lie.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
That is a lie, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I did it at the Beverly Hills Hotel. This is
true with this shiny thing that costs probably twice as
much money, probably more, Yes, in a much nicer way.
So I made up for it, so thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
So this was a terrible proposal. And again, this is
before social media, so I didn't even have you know
that that not fomo, but like that.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
By the way, thankfully, thank god it was before cell phones.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
So, no photos on the plane, there were no photos.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh no, I have a photo. Bullshit, I have photos.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I have a camera.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I had a camera. Oh, I photos of you on
the plane after we got engaged. Oh, I'm gonna go
find the photo, don't Oh, I have it. I'm gonna
find it. Okay. So the so listen, I didn't have
There was no social media, so I couldn't like feel
as horrible as I would today if I saw all
(39:56):
these gorgeous engagements and and honestly, every day some comes
into pilates, like this girl, Selene, She's so cute. She
came in. She told me what her fiance just set
up for her. I cried, I don't even know them.
It was so beautiful. Okay, So this is what happened.
So it was a terrible proposal. I let it go,
but I didn't. And then I said, and then, and
(40:17):
then I said, maybe someday there could be a gesture
that you could fix this. So what happened was I
think it was two or three years later. We were
living in LA I was on a TV show, Terry's
Commuting's working down in Orange County, and he goes, hey,
get dressed, I'm gonna take you out to dinner tonight.
(40:38):
I said, okay. So it was just a random night,
and so he drives all the way from Orange County
back home to the Palisades. We were living in the Palisades,
and I had like a like a hot little dress
on whatever, and he said, oh, you can't wear that.
You gotta change. And I was like why and he's like,
just wear's something more conservative, and so I changed. I
(41:02):
pulled out the only like white silk blouse I had
in a pair of slacks and I was like, good, Yes,
get in the car and we're driving and we're going
back south, like heading back down to Newport Beach. Driving, driving, driving,
I'm like, where are we going? And he kept stopping
and asking for directions and I found out later we
were just early, so he was, you know, stalling. So anyway,
(41:25):
so we're driving, dur driving, So we finally we pull
into this parking lot and I looked at the thing
and it said University Synagogue and I said, oh, isn't
this Rabbi Rockless's temple? Who is the man who married
us and the rabbi who married us who we love,
And he said.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh is it?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
He goes, I don't know, let's just we got to
go around this corner. So the Friday night service was
being let out and we're walking up and he walks
me into the temple. I'm like okay, and we walk
in and we see Rabbi Rockless and he looks at
me and he goes, you have a very romantic husband.
And I was like, I do, like what is going on?
So Terry pulls me off to the side and he
(42:05):
gives me this speech, and he said, I'll tell you
parts of it, but he basically said, look, when I
met you, and when I proposed, and when we got married,
I knew that I loved you and I wanted to
marry you and be with you for the rest of
my life. He goes, but I don't really think I understood,
you know, with my parents having been married so many
(42:26):
times each of them, and I didn't really get it.
He goes, and here we are on the precipice of
you know, wanting to have kids and start a family.
And and anyway, he proceeded from there to tell me
all these really beautiful things. And now I'm sobbing in
this like side. And Terry is not he's the best
(42:47):
man on the planet, but he's not always good at
saying those kinds of feelings. And he said all those
feelings and I was like, oh my god. And so
we walked into the temple and it was empty except
for the two of us and the rabbi and his
then fiance Rutie, who was also the cantor, who's the singer,
(43:09):
and the two of them remarried us, and they did
a ceremony for the two of us as if there
were three hundred people there, and it was just the
four of us, and it was because it was empty.
It was like echoey and beautiful. And then at the end,
Rutie sang this song with her, just her and her guitar,
so the Robert Browning poem grow old with me, the
(43:31):
best is yet to be. Mary Chapin Carpenter had put
it to music, and she stood there and she sang it,
and the two of them were engaged, and we were
still newlyweds, you know, three years whatever. She sang it,
and we just all stood there, the four of us,
and cried, hugged, and it was so meaningful. He just
(43:54):
said to me, I wanted to marry you alone.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
So if I have then made up for it, why
do we keep telling the story.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Because there's more jewelry to be had.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Thank goodness that I've lost interest in all these things.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
I'm just kidding, But isn't that so sweet? It was
the sweetest thing ever maybe the most I have to say,
maybe the most romantic thing you've ever done.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
So there was Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. They were
Ben Benefit right.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
What are we tether? No?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
There was there was who Jennifer Aniston and uh.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
I don't they that's called being shipped.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
What are Travis Kelcey and Taylor's what do they call them?
They have a name for him yet, I'm sure they do.
It's got to be trav trailer. It's like trailer trash.
I don't know what do you call them?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You've been working on that one for I haven't.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yes, I was thinking Davis, they're by the way, they're
not trailer trash. No, but Tavis, to be hones us
with you, sounds like an anatomical structure somewhere between the
taint the Germanium and the front of the the anti Genitalia.
It's just three centimeters antiers of the taint.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
It always comes back to the rectum. People, Just so
you know, stick with us, because when he says between us,
what he means is between them.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yes, that's like my taint, my train, what is it?
What are they called trains?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Taint? Tain't here? Tat there not.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Taint Travis, Trent, Tavis, Tavish.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Tavis, Oh my Tavis.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Redness in my Tavis. My might meet my Tavis. I
might need some antibiotics.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, I might see I might need some ointment from
my table. Well, thank you for listening, and remember that
we release episodes every Wednesday at four am Pacific and
you can listen on the iHeartRadio Appple Podcasts, or wherever
you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Weirdest podcast ever
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.