October 8, 2025 • 43 mins
With all the mid-life marriages ending, Terry and Heather talk about the pros and cons of gray divorces. Hear how they keep their relationship spicy and their calendars sexy.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm Heather du Brow and I'm doctor Terry Debrow, and.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're going to keep this between us, but not really.
We are in New York and this is very exciting.
First of all, the iHeart studios in New York are massive.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I know, I don't think I ever want to do
a podcast unless it's here.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, so beware. Yeah, team back in LA. This is
very cool. We love our studio in LA.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We do, but maybe kept New York food there or something.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You literally just plucked that from my brain. I was
going to say, what are you in the mood.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
For after that?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Is?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well, always pizza, but that bay? What's that bagel?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The pop up bagel? Is that near here? Is pop
up bagel? Near here? It is?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
There is a bagel here where.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We did a video of it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh we did. Yeah, but if we talked about this
before where it's so soft and easily digested that it's
like unrestricted carbs.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I never, no, no, it's the highest amount of carbs.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It can't be unrestricted.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, that you could ever have big, big, gorgeous, dooey
hot bagels and the way you eat them is you
are literally just supposed to rip a piece and dunk
it in the smere.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, because the absorption of carbohydrates and the breakdown into
sugars is such that the easier they get broken down
into sugar, the higher what's called the glycemic index. The
higher the peaking of the glucase your blood, the sweeter
it is. These are incredibly sweet bagels. And it's not
because they're sweeter, it's just because they're more easily broken down.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They're so they're so That was a very scientific way
of saying they're so good they're worth it. The cream
cheese and the schemeers are so good. The bagels are hot.
Do you want to get that? You?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean you and I talk about restricted carbs. I
know I'm going too far into the science of this,
but restricted cards is the heat it cool it, heat it,
heat it, eat it. This is the anti heat it
eat it, absorbing sweet it. It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's so good. Yeah. This week is the reunion. Oh god,
m I address has been chosen. You'll have to wait
and see what I ended up or what they ended
up choosing. I guess I should say, right.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's amazing. It's like the ultimate super Bowl of housewives
conflict partial resolution. Well, it's elevate the conflict and then
try to resolve it because you bring it. It's like,
it's like we're going to talk about couples today, couples divorcing,
and imagine every time you got together, all you did
(02:49):
was talk about your disagreements, your conflicts.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, but this is what happens. So we live our
lives and they film it right, and things happen during
that period of time, and then you feel a certain
way when you walk out of a party or a
lunch or whatever a day later. Your memory might be
slightly different a month later, six months later, And then
you watch it and your memory may or may not
(03:14):
be correcked, but then you feel a different way. So
now you've lived it, thought about it, watched it back,
thought about it some more, and now you have all
this stuff you want to say, and then they put
us all together in a room to talk about it.
It's like it's it's that's easy.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The reason you could never have real house husbands reunion
is Caus' talk. No, you'd have fist fights. By the way,
we were at We were at the most fabulous New
York restaurant called the Polo Bar, often considered the most
difficult reservation to get in New York City.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's so good. It's Ralph Florenz Restaurant and it looks
like Polo pony mallets and plaid wood. The food's divine.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And so we were there and all of a sudden,
all these super A list celebrities walk in, one after
another after another, and think what is going on? And
we realized that it was a party for the Martin
Scorsese five part documentary on Apple TV. And the entire
(04:17):
including Martin Gorcece was there and Miro, even.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Van Sant, Tody Foster was there. We saw her walking in.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Michael Imperiole, who I guess is the producer, Oh, the
guy from Yeah, And I thought, wow, this is a
real moment slice of New York.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They took over half the restaurant. Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And then we walk out and you know, I love
when we walk out of Craigs because Craigs is that
place on Meilrose that all the celebrities go to, and
there's always paparazzi, and you know, a percentage of the
time they take pictures of me, other times they don't,
and I'm always very disappointed. So there was a lot
of sort of paparazzi looking for a level stars.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
No, it was like this, like if we ever didn't
understand and how low level our fame is. Yeah, we
knew last night.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, because I walk out and they looked us, they
went they didn't even look at us, No, they actually didn't.
And then one guy goes. I heard him what he
say to me, because this guy knows you from botched
or something something like like like, hey, don't feel so bad.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I wanted to tell you. Like sometimes that happens to
us outside of Craigs too. They'll be like high there,
h Terry, and they don't take pictures. They just say hi.
Because we go there all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean we sometimes go there twice a week, so
we're like, it's not it's not a big sighting.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
We know Terry loves the paparazzi and obviously I call them,
so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, I mean it's funny because I like the level
of notoriety that we have because we can go anywhere.
But I would like to sort of live in the
you can't go anywhere?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Really, yeah, you would like that Kardashian life. I don't
think I could live with that kind of screw I.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Think I could. I think, well, what do you mean
live with that kind of screw? Do you live with
that kind of nor? Real Housewives and Orange County?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I know, but I can walk down the street, and
I can go to public places by myself, and I
can you know, all of that, but.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Just through a scrutiny. They control what is shown on
their show. You have no control. That's a very good
So you're under much more scrutiny. In fact, we're when
you're a housewife, you're subject to criticism for things that
aren't even true about you, much less things that you
don't want to be out there about you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, well, that's an interesting segue to what we want
to talk about today because we because this is we
have a lot of celebrities to mention. But I don't
think this is just actually a celebrity topic, because this
is this whole notion. What we want to talk about
today is the gray divorce. Yeah, first of all, is
it g R A Y or g R E Y?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, I have actually not related to this, but
I've looked up.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
The word gray and does it depend on what you're.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Refer Well, I think there are two kinds. I think
both are acceptable. And then you know they talk about
connotation and denotation in the dictionary, and what's the most
common use is the connotation the dinoto I don't know,
and so I think it's one of those things that
can go either way. Like gray, the color.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think is e y and should we chat you
be to this?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't know, it's yeah, So when do you use
e y? I think I think they're interchangeable. I think so.
I think it's like status status, which is the way
do you say it?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Status pronunciation? This is actually a spelling for color and.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
A y for this. So what is a y? What
do you mean mean? Like refers to something older, like
when you're older, because so.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The color gray, I was right, is e y?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, so that's a great a suit you have gray
divorces are referring to gray hair, which is a.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Color that would be ey. So when would it be
ay a gray day? But is that a color? I
don't know? Okay, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But anyway, great divorce were obviously refers to being divorced
after being married for a long period of time when
you're older.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So you have gray hair, and then you know, it's funny,
I have a friend who was talking about another couple
we knew that were divorcing in this sort of age group,
and my friend Nancy was saying, why bother, You've been
together so long, it's you know, just stay together already.
But who would want to stay Why would you want
(08:41):
to stay with someone that you're not happy with? Life
is too short?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, I think what happens to some people is they
stay together even though their marriage is not good because
for the sake of the kids. Yeah, and then the
kids move out and now they're left with each other
and that's it. There's nothing have to focus on. But
I noticed like even in our marriage, it's going it
(09:07):
goes through phases like we had it changed it it
did change. It's seven eight years. Things change, and now
we're at the same sort of stage of life for
a lot of these probable should I go through the
screen divorce, we're there. So you're trying to tell me something, No,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So, okay. So here's some celebrity couples that have gotten
divorced recently or split up. So Nicole Kidman and Keith
Urban is sort of the reason we started talking about
this last week. They've been together nineteen years, right. Lori
Laughlin and Massimo, who we just saw a couple months ago.
(09:44):
They've been together, same as us, for a little less
twenty eight years of marriage. They're living a part now.
Rachel Zoe and Roger Berman. Yeah, thirty three years together,
twenty six marriage.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
They get sick of each other.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Bill and Melinda Gates, Billy Ray Cyprus and Tish Cyrus,
Meryl Streep and Don Gummer. Wow, they were together after
they were together forty five years. But the thing is
a lot of these couples are in their fifties and older.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Danny DeVito and Ria perm On, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, well they were. They were separated and then they reconciled,
and then they separated again. And I it seems that
even though they live apart, they're still legally married and
they're still clothes. But they're you know, in their sixties.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah. I mean, what I think is bad about it?
There's a good and there's bad about it. There's good
in that, you know, we're living so much longer, so
you get another another bite at the life apple. Right, Like,
if a couple divorces, I'm sixty seven or fifty six, right,
(10:59):
so well I'm expected to live, you know, another twenty years,
so I could have twenty years of a different life
and you're going to be another thirty five years maybe,
so you certainly could have a whole second life after me. Right,
But if you're particularly for unfortunately I think for females,
(11:22):
if unless you've prepared incredibly well, you know, you're already
at that stage where you're about to start stop working
and start financially as a couple. Yeah, spending money that
you've now put away for retirement. So now you have
to split that into even more because you're going to
pay for the dissolution expenses, which is probably at least
(11:46):
a fourth of your net worth, and then you've got
to that whatever's left has to cash flow two lives.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Oh, it's crazy. It's at the exact moment of life
where you're supposed to not worry for yourself and not
worry about finances. You're completely starting over again.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So it's a disaster financially.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I would think that to get divorced younger, there has
to be an incident, no, meaning like when you're younger,
things have to really go south to not want to
work through it. Someone's cheated, there's a huge rift or
something in the relationship that you can't even work on it,
(12:27):
stay in it, even for the kids or for whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But I think, like you were just saying, once you
are not bound by those obligations, then you are free
to think about what your life could look like.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's interesting because you know,
our relationship recently has been more challenging.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, that happens. You have good days, bad days, years,
bad years, I al would say.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, and you know, we I think we have to,
you know, work through some minor things. I remember, I
think twice we've gone through challenges in our relationship and
we had to work through them.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, even bigger things, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I mean, I I don't remember really when, but I
remember I think most of them were related to like
housewives or something.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Or yes, I always say there was we had one
bad year.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, and so it's it's I just feel I feel
really bad for the all the you know, these celebrities.
It seems like it's funny because they don't want to
talk about it. They don't talk about it, and it
just seems like within five minutes they've all moved on.
But I think the truth is for most couples that
(13:56):
you're looking that we I'll bet you almost every one
of these couples, by the time we hear about it,
they've already been separated for two years and I've already
started new lives. And I'm sure that's the case for
like a Hugh Jackman and Keith Urban. You know, I
bet they've in the last two years. I don't know.
I don't have any personal information, but I'll bet that
(14:17):
they've spent you know, twenty percent of their time together.
I mean that they were already separated and it was
just a matter of announcing it, or one of them
just goes, okay, I can't take this anymore, or the
public heres that somebody's dating and now they have they
have to make a proclamation. But I think must.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Bear also in the public eye like that when you
have kids, Yeah, don't you know, want to accept the kids,
have them hear about things.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, And so for us, I think we don't. The
challenges that we've gone through never involve you know, we're
not together. We're always together. I mean, it's just a
perspective shift or something. It's uh, I don't know, what
(15:06):
do you think?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I don't know. I mean, I think the bottom
line is, you know, is your relationship worth fighting for?
Because relationships are difficult and you go through challenging times.
But the question is are you interested in being in
this relationship or are you not? Because if you're not
interested in being in the relationship, you're never going to
(15:26):
work at it and you're never going to get on
the other side. If you're interested in being in the relationship,
you've got to know that. You know that things that
you go through these stages. Norm Lear was on my
podcast years ago. Do you remember me telling you about that?
And he was talking about one of his marriages and
(15:47):
he was like, oh, this failed marriage of mine, And
I said, how long were you together? And it was
like over thirty years? Yeah, I mean, and I said,
but that is not a failed like you're over one
hundred years old, right, That is a thirty year relationship
is a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So if someone breaks has a great divorce, that's it
should be considered just another part of life. It was
successful and now it's just time for a new chapter.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I think it depends why. I mean, I think if
that relationship has run its course and yeah, and you
still have all this life left. Yeah, why not? That
would be a successful relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
For you and I. I mean, we have had recent struggles,
but I still love you dearly and always want to
be with you. I do, and so that in a
way makes it more painful to have struggles, because like
sometimes when we're arguing, I'll want to text you and
I just want to say, Hi, how are you? And
(17:00):
I know that you're mad at me, and I can't
just do that because you'll go HI or you know,
there's those.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Memes that are like I am mad at you, but
you're my best friend and I tell you something. That's
That's what I find the hardest too, is if you
and I are like arguing about something, and to be clear,
we don't. We don't argue like we don't have the
big thankfully, the big ticket item is to argue about.
(17:34):
There's no infidelity, there's not you know, financial stress, there's
like we don't have those things.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
We get on each other's nerves, yes, and more specifically
and more honestly, I get on your nerves. Yes. Sometimes yeah,
I'm you know, sometimes I just walk around like I'm
bumping into walls and just saying things meaning maybe I'm
(18:01):
I don't know what is it with me? I'm I'm
sort of sometimes I'm disconnected or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think, you know. My joke about Terry is that
he walks through life like he's just scrubbed in for surgery.
You know. He like, I'm putting my hands up right now,
like he doesn't touch anything. And it's funny because it's
true when you want to handle something, You're the smartest
person I know, and you are capable of so many things.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
If we're having an issue, I just go, you know,
we'll just put three sleeps and it'll in the issue.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Will just and let me tell you what's the worst
thing to do for me?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And that's putting. You're more mad, You're more mad. I'm
I can't even do I can't even remember that's the
problem what it was about. And it's like Haanya, You're like,
I'm so and I go, oh, and I have to
go back and go what what was that thing that
we were that you were not happy with me that
(18:58):
I did? It's like I can't even remember it. And
for example, the other day, which is rare, you did
something that upset me and I to be honest with you,
I can't remember what it is right now, right, I
can't remember, And I think it was a legitimate upsetting thing. Man,
(19:20):
I don't remember what it was. I really don't. And
it took us two weeks to get past it. But
it wasn't getting past the thing. It was just the
fact that something was brewing and I already forgot what
it was, and I was like sort of already over it.
But in our case, it's often my reaction to the thing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That gets you upset.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Con One, well, your Heather Debro is very sensitive, and
I think as I'm gotten older, I think I'm getting
I'm less emotional even am.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But anyway, I mean I think it's it's it's so hard.
I mean, there must be commonalities among celebrity relationships where
they go, I don't need to put up with this.
I'm this person, you know, like Nicole Kidman. Although there
might have been an INFIDELI I don't really necessarily believe
(20:22):
there was an infidelity thing. I think they were probably
separated and the writing was on the wall and one
of them started dating and then it became a thing.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I think when you it must be incredibly hard to
be away from your significant other, whether you're a celebrity
or not. I mean, if one person travels a lot
for business or whatever, you know, it's just it's hard
to not be together. Well, I maintain an appropriate.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right, Well, I think the worst thing you can do
for a struggle period in a relationship is to separate
people totally, because he just Brew and Stu and there's
no like with you and I are so we just
need to hash it out and fix it and move on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I also think what's something that's really important is that
if you are in a relationship that you love and
you're going through a difficult time, don't hang out with
divorced people. That is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Hang out with couples that are good.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
But that's challenging too, because sometimes we in the past
have hung out with couples that are good, and of
course they're putting on their best face for other couples,
and we go, well, look how how nice he is
to her, Look how happy they are, and we're not
necessarily feeling this way, And of course, for all we
know fighting in the car and fighting in the car
(21:44):
on the way home.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't mean it exactly like that. What I'm saying
is it's like, you know, I've known women who were
in troubling times in their marriages and started hanging out
with a lot of divorced women in the grass always
greener kind of vibe right, and ended up getting divorced,
and one of which I'm specifically thinking of, regretted that.
(22:09):
And that's why I'm saying, I think it's important to
be with couples that no couple's perfect, No one is
happy one hundred percent of the time. That would be,
you know, ridiculous. But I think hanging out with couples
that are respectful of each other, that really like each other,
that have figured it out.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, let's be honest, most of the couples that we
we hang out with there on their second or third marriage,
and they were in the first seven years, and of
course they're happy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Good points. Yeah, so that doesn't work a rare first wife.
I like to tell Terry, he married his second wife.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
First, right. It's interesting, man.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The second wives get treated so much better.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But it's funny, you say, don't so when women get
together and they talk about these things. I've seen these
funny things on Instagram where this guy goes golfing with
guy and a group of guys, and one of the
guys recently got divorced and it's going through an ugly divorce.
And then the merry guy goes back home and the
(23:10):
wife goes so and he goes, so, what, so what's
with the divorce? What did he say? Goes I wanted
to talk about it?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We don't talk about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah you don't.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean I never I have.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You go out to dinner with a friend and a
big So what's going on with the kids and with her?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I don't know them. We never ever talk about and
I don't really want to know about it, to be honest,
I don't care. Yeah, you know, guys get together, they
talk about I don't, but they get they talk about sports.
I get together and we talk.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
About money, money, investing, investing. I have to say, though,
for women of mine, I mean, I'm fifty six and
I have women friends that are older, younger, my age, whatever.
But I find that things have shifted in my world.
I don't know if it's just me or if it's
or how other women feel. I'm sort of curious. Maybe
(24:01):
we'll put up a poll, but I find we don't
talk about I mean housewives aside, We don't talk about
like sort of gossipy things like that. I don't want
to know if we talk about menopause, we talk about longevity,
we talk about working out, we talk about supplements. I
(24:23):
mean there's a lot of that, right, But those conversations
have shifted.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So do you ever get together your friends and complain
about your relationship?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, although if you're going through a divorce off your
separate you have to talk about that. But guys still
wouldn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, probably not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Now, Hey, what's going on? You know, we're going through
a thing and that would be the end of it.
The guy would go anyway. So yeah, Well with.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Nvidio emotional, I mean, women need to talk about things.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah. So the thing with the Great Divorce is I
think it's weird. I have mixed feelings about it. Obviously,
these people all divorced needed to divorce, right and they
probably I mean, how long before a great divorce was
the relationship over over? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, have you seen I've seen like a bunch of
memes and stories about people who are you know, in
the roommate phase. Yes, a relationship We're very good at
not falling into that trap. Yes, we date each other.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We try to.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We you know, schedule sex if we need to, We
try to, you know all that stuff. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean I can't imagine. I could see how it
would how it could happen. But I don't think you
and I just seeing our personalities, I don't know, maybe
you could. I couldn't live very long like that.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's funny because I've seen couples in movies where, oh,
like the movie Dave, the President and his wife.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh right, yeah, yeah, right, that's a cute movie.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
They I mean, he goes on and has a stroke
and then they get the fake guy and then he
falls in love with the guys.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Spoiler alert. I wanted to see the movie Dave.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But obviously they walk in like their husband and wife.
And then as the issues they're in the White House
and off camera and not in the public eye, they go,
they go their separate ways. You and I, even when
we're battling, we go, let's go to dinner. That's the problem.
We're best friends, you know, And Okay, I guess that's good, right.
(26:39):
I mean, I can't imagine real Peerlman and Danny Beato
not being best friends.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, but again you're talking about how long were they together?
Fifty years. I mean that's a long that is a.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Lifetime, almost too long to be with one person.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Looking around, You're.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Doing well, I'm super healthy. But I was just reading this,
oh bit from this doctor. You know, when you're on
staff at a hospital. I'm on staff at a hospital.
Whenever a doctor dies, they send out a thing to
all the hospital staff. And I was just reading this
guy and he's an amazing guy, and I can't believe
he died. He was eighty, and he was kind of
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a renaissance guy and his big thing was he never
missed a workout and he died at eighty. Now, obviously
something got.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Him, right as it does that.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
He could have done surveillance on and potentially and I
won't let that happen. Like I asked you yesterday, when
was the last time we did a pernuvo scan?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
December?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And I said, Okay, it's now October November. We need
a pernuvo scan.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Caul, we go back to the Great Divorce or section. Yeah. So,
I mean I think my take on it, I feel
the same way I think I have mixed feelings about it.
On one hand, I feel like life is short. You
are not happy? Why why miserable? That I would not
do but I can't imagine. It's funny. I think if
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you think of your life like if I sat here
and thought of my life, if you walked out of
this room and I never saw you again, like.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You'd be fine.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I don't like that visual. And it's not that I'm
codependent with you. It's that I love you and I
love being with you, and I love the way we
laugh together, and I love that even when we're with
our kids, who we love and cherish and adore.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
We're ready to leave them and hang out. Yes, yeah, no, it's.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
True, we're ready to be alone again. Well, and I
love all that. And you know, there's a lot of
talk about how do you rebuild your identity after leaving
a long term marriage, But I would tell you for me,
and then I want to hear how you feel. But
for me, I don't think I have ever lost my
identity because I'm your wife. I definitely have been through
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identity crisis just for the by virtue of being a
full time working actors do a stay at full time,
stay at home mom. You know all these different things.
But that's not because I married you. No, that was
just life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I didn't define you at all.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
If we stopped talking yesterday, I don't have an identity crisis.
And I think that I believe this is why you're
seeing a lot of grey divorce. I think it's because
you people lose themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, what do you think? Well, if I
walked out, could you see your life? Oh? I would
live in a one bedroom apartment and have no social
life and cats I would have. Okay, first thing I
would do to you? Now he's happy, Okay, there is
there are some positive things. I would immediately go rescue
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two cats eat and I get two older cats and
who could tolerate each other and would be the three
of us. Yes, and it's oh, I do love tuna fish.
In fact, I would be a cathlade. We stuck the
fridge let me, I'd hire somebody for that. But I
try to try not to eat too much tuna.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
We tell you not to tuna because there's too much mercy.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Too much mercury. But it's interesting. I was thinking about
Kyle and Maurice. They are not divorced, but they're clearly
obviously and they've announced it completely living separate lives.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know what I like about it. They are together
for families events, their daughter just got married. They seem
to it must be very difficult to go through it
emotionally in some respects, but also I love again. I
don't know what goes on by the closed doors, but
they seem very respectful of each other, and I think
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that's great. I think it's a great example for their kids.
You know another divorced couple that I'm super impressed with,
Taric and Heather el Musa and Christina hack Ry. I
was a guest judge on the Flip Off last year
and I've known them all separately, but to see them
all together and now even now, like they're so close,
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they've become such good friends, all of them. And I
said to them last year, I was like, this is
such a beautiful thing to be showing your kids.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well, I think the reason they can do this because
they officially did move on and remarry, even though she's
now split.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, but even still, when you were with someone for
a long time and you have children with them, I
can't imagine just completely being able to disassociate your former
relationship with that person and being able to move on
like that. I just think it's amazing. So I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Do you think if we separated, yeah, and I was
dating and it was in the public that I was dating,
that you'd be cool with me at family gatherings. No,
I don't think we can do a Kyle Mauricio thing.
Definitely not.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
No, I'm irritated just from you saying that sorry picture.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But I will tell you I do completely and totally
love you, and when we struggle, I think it hurts
both our hearts, and that's good. That's why I don't think.
I think in my case it wouldn't be a great divorce.
It would be a receding divorce anyway, Baldwin Hill's divorce.
I'm kidding. Although let's be honest. This head of whatever
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hair I have left, I mean, it's not nothing. There's
no black in it at all. It's all just fake
black anyway. It's like dyed. I have a shampoo that
dyes it.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's weird. It doesn't really have a color.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You're it's very It's like I can't decide what to
do with I mean, George Clooney crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Your hair was never brown. You had black hair, yeah,
and then you started getting gray. And then the kids
pulled up a picture the other day, so gray. Your
hair was so gray. You look younger now, I think
then you did fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
You were good. And you know it's funny. I was
watching the Who's the who played meathead on All the Family? Right?
Carl Reiner, Rob Rob Reiner? Right? His dad was Carl Reiner.
So Rob Reiner has directed and is one of the
stars in Spinal Tap two. It's about to come out.
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And he was just on sixty minutes and I was
looking at him, and you know, he's older than me,
and he's bald, and I was looking why does he
look so good? And then I looked at his neck
and he clearly hasn't had a facelift, and I realized
he had his eyes done.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You want to have your eyes done?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I think I should have my eyes done. I'll tell
you why are both both and I'll.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Tell you what careful with the upper lids on guys
on guys?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But Rob Reiner looks great, okay? And I noticed that. Okay,
So there's obviously and I don't know any any firsthand,
but there's there's clearly good looking actors who have had facelift. Yes, okay,
and so men. He used to be if a man
had a facelift, he would sort of end their career.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, because I yes, and I think part partially because
you have to go to someone who specifically does male facelifts,
because if you start to look too feminine, if you
can't do it right, I mean your a pluster or
do you can't do the same kind of face.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Lift I do. I do a very good male fit.
But anyway, but I noticed that, and I don't want
to name any names, but the really gorgeous actors who
are like five years younger than me and some almost
my exact age have clearly had facelift. And you've ever
wondered whether an actor's had a facelift and he's over sixty,
look at his neck. If his neck doesn't have any laxity,
he has had a facelift, because it's everybody over the
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age of sixty.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
How do you hide the scars? Scars? Because in women
you do it like in the hairline.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, sometimes you can do it way in front, but
that's what that can be a problem.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, you really would have your eyes don't? Would you
ever have a facelift?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
No, I don't want a facelift. No, I mean I
don't this thing in my gobble here, I've earned that gobble.
I've earned that gobble. I enjoy the goal. I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The only reason are you trying to tell me? I
you have plastic surgery?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No? No, I look in the mirror, and this is funny.
I've never really you know, I had my nose done
on the show, and let's be honest. He did a
great job, but it doesn't look very different. I think
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some people are resistant to plastic surgery, and Terry debrou
may be resistant to plastic surcher.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, you also said at a certain age and a
certain thickness of skin, Yeah, you can only achieve so much.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, but I like my nose now it's much better. Oh.
He did a great job. He's gifted, he's amazing. Yeah,
he's really good. But my eyes, I think when I
look in the mirror, I go, wow, you look really tired.
And by the way, I am really tired.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
We are very tired. Yeah, but we haven't slept.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Much of it. I think if I had my eyes
done that I would look in the mirror and not
look as tired, and I would be weirdly less tired
as a result. And that is true. If someone you
know looks better, they certainly feel better. Yeah, so I
think I should probably have my eyes done, all right?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, when do you want to do that?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I don't know. Maybe the next couple of the questions,
do I do it on TV? Or not?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Really?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
You know what, Remember when I was having an epidural
for my sciatica, Oh God, And I went back to
have another one like six months.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Later and doctor's wife.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Doctor's wife gets weird complications and I filmed it and
the doctor lovely guy, but I think it made him
a little nervous. And I ended up with a complication. Yes,
and I got I was spilling spinal fluid. Yeah, didn't
realize it. Kept going to Orange theory, running on a treadmill.
My head was pounded, and then they had to give
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me a blood pat and he said I was going
to feel like I was hit by a bus. I'm like, oh, please,
it's me And they did it and I felt like
I was hit by a bus. And it was two
days before the reunion that year. Yeah, I was so
exhausted putting it on. My point is sometimes I get nervous.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah. Well, we have some friends guys who've had their
eyes done. It's like, oh my god. The other thing
is maybe I shouldn't care anyway, because everyone on the
internet says he's had so much work done to his
face and injections and all the shit stuff done. Anyway,
And let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You have often said, are you trying to tell me something?
Because you have often said that women that go in
to get their breast done are ready to leave their husbands.
Do do you? Is that really true?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh? You mean I'm ready to have my eyes done.
By the way, I do not think having my eyes
done would make me more appealing to women.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Is that what it's holding you back?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Having my eyes done? No, I don't want to have
plastic surgery. And by the way, think about me, I'm
a doctor who specializes in complications of plastic surgery. The
chances that I have a complication of plastic surgery is
extraordinarily high.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, but eyes are easy.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
But it's so ironic and when you look at the
diseases doctors get that put them under a don't if
peak surgeon often gets a bone disease of pathology, well,
I mean it usually is a weird thing related to
their own specialty. Back to this, So I'm going to
have a complication from plastics, Oh.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
God forbid, don't say that. But no, you'll go to
someone great.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So what I mean, half the people I operate on
go to someone great. And that, by the way, the
greatest surgeons that you know, you've never heard of. If
you saw the ten percent of their patients who are unhappy,
you think they were the worst surgeons.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Ever, right, even in the best of hands. As you say,
but wait, can we just finish that? Is that true
that women come in and they want to get mommy
makeovers or breast done, and you'd think that's like a
first step in an exit.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, I think usually not. But if a woman comes
in with her husband and he's sort of controlling and
it's intense, and he's really opining about her breasts, and
it's like, oh, they're about to break up. Really, they're
trying to salvage their marriage somehow. It's like having a
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child almost. You know. Sometimes couples that are not getting along, Well,
if we have a child, this will fix our relationship.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's the band aid.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yes, and so no, I think a sixty seven year
old guy having his eyes done is pretty like, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, it's funny. We were at Kat's parents weekend, yeah,
this past weekend, and we met these really nice couples
and one of the couples we met they're now empty nesters. Yeah,
and they were talking about, you know, what their goal
is for the year, and they're going to get fit
and they're building this house like all this really fun,
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great stuff, and to me, I felt like that is
so cool, Like that's the kind of stuff that I
look forward to.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Well, we have one left for an empty master. Is
it possibly you just kick him out school? Would you
like to go to school? By the way, did you
ever mention to him going to boarding school?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
He's not going to boarding so I'm not letting him
go to boarding. You wouldn't, No, absolutely not. This is
a very specific time in a kid's life, this sort
of period of time between freshman and senior year of
high school, and they go through a lot, they start dating,
they might you know, they're going to be exposed to
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alcohol and drugs.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And things, and don't do that. Alcohol, drugs.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
No, I know they I've.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Encouraged them to maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
No, But they are exposed to those things and they're
going to mess up somewhere at school with the friend group,
whatever it is. They will mess up. And you need
your parents to be around to help you navigate all that.
And I not that. Listen, If the boarding school is
the right choice for some people, that's fine, but I
don't think for it.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But anyway, this great divorce thing sucks for them, but
maybe it's good for them. But you know, I think
we've reached a phase where our struggles we certainly can
work through them, right, Yeah, And I love you so much.
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And even though I can be a giant pain in
the ass, you know, I don't ever want to get
a great divorce or a bald divorce or Baldwin Hills
or a receipt or divorce receipt. By the way, these
are cities, just you know, in the valley. Baldwin Hills
is a city and is a city. But he's like
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and so sometimes we'll look at a guy who haven't
seen for a while and go, oh, did he move
to Rosina? Oh, that guy's fully in Baldwin hills. Anyway,
that's the job.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Just see you know we're talking about But listen, if
you're out there and you have a long term relationship,
if it's worth fighting for it, you fight for it.
You got to work on it and have open communication. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, one thing we've never done. We need to talk
about this, I know what for reaching The other podcast
is the therapy.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Thing we've never gone to.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Never gone to therapy, And I wonder how many of
these couples were in therapy. We're in therapy or it
would have helped, or it would have helped. I'm sure
Keith Urban and Nicole Kimmon never went to therapy.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
No, I mean I hadn't know.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I mean, how did that relationship last as long as
amazing lasts as long as it is. They're always traveling,
the guy's a rock star, yeah, and all the girls around,
and she's like she lives on the set. Shouldn't you
shoot fifteen hours a day? When were they ever together?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
We just don't know. We don't know, all.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Right, Well, anyway, I hope that was interesting.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, thank you guys so much for listening. Reminder that
we release episodes every Wednesday at four am Pacific. And
you can listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
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I'm Heather du Brow and I'm doctor Terry Debrow, and.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're going to keep this between us, but not really.
We are in New York and this is very exciting.
First of all, the iHeart studios in New York are massive.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I know, I don't think I ever want to do
a podcast unless it's here.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, so beware. Yeah, team back in LA. This is
very cool. We love our studio in LA.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We do, but maybe kept New York food there or something.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You literally just plucked that from my brain. I was
going to say, what are you in the mood.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
For after that?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Is?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well, always pizza, but that bay? What's that bagel?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The pop up bagel? Is that near here? Is pop
up bagel? Near here? It is?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
There is a bagel here where.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We did a video of it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh we did. Yeah, but if we talked about this
before where it's so soft and easily digested that it's
like unrestricted carbs.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I never, no, no, it's the highest amount of carbs.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It can't be unrestricted.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, that you could ever have big, big, gorgeous, dooey
hot bagels and the way you eat them is you
are literally just supposed to rip a piece and dunk
it in the smere.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, because the absorption of carbohydrates and the breakdown into
sugars is such that the easier they get broken down
into sugar, the higher what's called the glycemic index. The
higher the peaking of the glucase your blood, the sweeter
it is. These are incredibly sweet bagels. And it's not
because they're sweeter, it's just because they're more easily broken down.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They're so they're so That was a very scientific way
of saying they're so good they're worth it. The cream
cheese and the schemeers are so good. The bagels are hot.
Do you want to get that? You?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean you and I talk about restricted carbs. I
know I'm going too far into the science of this,
but restricted cards is the heat it cool it, heat it,
heat it, eat it. This is the anti heat it
eat it, absorbing sweet it. It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's so good. Yeah. This week is the reunion. Oh god,
m I address has been chosen. You'll have to wait
and see what I ended up or what they ended
up choosing. I guess I should say, right.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's amazing. It's like the ultimate super Bowl of housewives
conflict partial resolution. Well, it's elevate the conflict and then
try to resolve it because you bring it. It's like,
it's like we're going to talk about couples today, couples divorcing,
and imagine every time you got together, all you did
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was talk about your disagreements, your conflicts.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, but this is what happens. So we live our
lives and they film it right, and things happen during
that period of time, and then you feel a certain
way when you walk out of a party or a
lunch or whatever a day later. Your memory might be
slightly different a month later, six months later, And then
you watch it and your memory may or may not
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be correcked, but then you feel a different way. So
now you've lived it, thought about it, watched it back,
thought about it some more, and now you have all
this stuff you want to say, and then they put
us all together in a room to talk about it.
It's like it's it's that's easy.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The reason you could never have real house husbands reunion
is Caus' talk. No, you'd have fist fights. By the way,
we were at We were at the most fabulous New
York restaurant called the Polo Bar, often considered the most
difficult reservation to get in New York City.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's so good. It's Ralph Florenz Restaurant and it looks
like Polo pony mallets and plaid wood. The food's divine.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And so we were there and all of a sudden,
all these super A list celebrities walk in, one after
another after another, and think what is going on? And
we realized that it was a party for the Martin
Scorsese five part documentary on Apple TV. And the entire
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including Martin Gorcece was there and Miro, even.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Van Sant, Tody Foster was there. We saw her walking in.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Michael Imperiole, who I guess is the producer, Oh, the
guy from Yeah, And I thought, wow, this is a
real moment slice of New York.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They took over half the restaurant. Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And then we walk out and you know, I love
when we walk out of Craigs because Craigs is that
place on Meilrose that all the celebrities go to, and
there's always paparazzi, and you know, a percentage of the
time they take pictures of me, other times they don't,
and I'm always very disappointed. So there was a lot
of sort of paparazzi looking for a level stars.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
No, it was like this, like if we ever didn't
understand and how low level our fame is. Yeah, we
knew last night.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, because I walk out and they looked us, they
went they didn't even look at us, No, they actually didn't.
And then one guy goes. I heard him what he
say to me, because this guy knows you from botched
or something something like like like, hey, don't feel so bad.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I wanted to tell you. Like sometimes that happens to
us outside of Craigs too. They'll be like high there,
h Terry, and they don't take pictures. They just say hi.
Because we go there all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean we sometimes go there twice a week, so
we're like, it's not it's not a big sighting.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
We know Terry loves the paparazzi and obviously I call them,
so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, I mean it's funny because I like the level
of notoriety that we have because we can go anywhere.
But I would like to sort of live in the
you can't go anywhere?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Really, yeah, you would like that Kardashian life. I don't
think I could live with that kind of screw I.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Think I could. I think, well, what do you mean
live with that kind of screw? Do you live with
that kind of nor? Real Housewives and Orange County?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I know, but I can walk down the street, and
I can go to public places by myself, and I
can you know, all of that, but.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Just through a scrutiny. They control what is shown on
their show. You have no control. That's a very good
So you're under much more scrutiny. In fact, we're when
you're a housewife, you're subject to criticism for things that
aren't even true about you, much less things that you
don't want to be out there about you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, well, that's an interesting segue to what we want
to talk about today because we because this is we
have a lot of celebrities to mention. But I don't
think this is just actually a celebrity topic, because this
is this whole notion. What we want to talk about
today is the gray divorce. Yeah, first of all, is
it g R A Y or g R E Y?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, I have actually not related to this, but
I've looked up.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
The word gray and does it depend on what you're.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Refer Well, I think there are two kinds. I think
both are acceptable. And then you know they talk about
connotation and denotation in the dictionary, and what's the most
common use is the connotation the dinoto I don't know,
and so I think it's one of those things that
can go either way. Like gray, the color.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think is e y and should we chat you
be to this?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't know, it's yeah, So when do you use
e y? I think I think they're interchangeable. I think so.
I think it's like status status, which is the way
do you say it?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Status pronunciation? This is actually a spelling for color and.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
A y for this. So what is a y? What
do you mean mean? Like refers to something older, like
when you're older, because so.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The color gray, I was right, is e y?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, so that's a great a suit you have gray
divorces are referring to gray hair, which is a.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Color that would be ey. So when would it be
ay a gray day? But is that a color? I
don't know? Okay, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But anyway, great divorce were obviously refers to being divorced
after being married for a long period of time when
you're older.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So you have gray hair, and then you know, it's funny,
I have a friend who was talking about another couple
we knew that were divorcing in this sort of age group,
and my friend Nancy was saying, why bother, You've been
together so long, it's you know, just stay together already.
But who would want to stay Why would you want
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to stay with someone that you're not happy with? Life
is too short?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, I think what happens to some people is they
stay together even though their marriage is not good because
for the sake of the kids. Yeah, and then the
kids move out and now they're left with each other
and that's it. There's nothing have to focus on. But
I noticed like even in our marriage, it's going it
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goes through phases like we had it changed it it
did change. It's seven eight years. Things change, and now
we're at the same sort of stage of life for
a lot of these probable should I go through the
screen divorce, we're there. So you're trying to tell me something, No,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So, okay. So here's some celebrity couples that have gotten
divorced recently or split up. So Nicole Kidman and Keith
Urban is sort of the reason we started talking about
this last week. They've been together nineteen years, right. Lori
Laughlin and Massimo, who we just saw a couple months ago.
(09:44):
They've been together, same as us, for a little less
twenty eight years of marriage. They're living a part now.
Rachel Zoe and Roger Berman. Yeah, thirty three years together,
twenty six marriage.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
They get sick of each other.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Bill and Melinda Gates, Billy Ray Cyprus and Tish Cyrus,
Meryl Streep and Don Gummer. Wow, they were together after
they were together forty five years. But the thing is
a lot of these couples are in their fifties and older.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Danny DeVito and Ria perm On, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, well they were. They were separated and then they reconciled,
and then they separated again. And I it seems that
even though they live apart, they're still legally married and
they're still clothes. But they're you know, in their sixties.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah. I mean, what I think is bad about it?
There's a good and there's bad about it. There's good
in that, you know, we're living so much longer, so
you get another another bite at the life apple. Right, Like,
if a couple divorces, I'm sixty seven or fifty six, right,
(10:59):
so well I'm expected to live, you know, another twenty years,
so I could have twenty years of a different life
and you're going to be another thirty five years maybe,
so you certainly could have a whole second life after me. Right,
But if you're particularly for unfortunately I think for females,
(11:22):
if unless you've prepared incredibly well, you know, you're already
at that stage where you're about to start stop working
and start financially as a couple. Yeah, spending money that
you've now put away for retirement. So now you have
to split that into even more because you're going to
pay for the dissolution expenses, which is probably at least
(11:46):
a fourth of your net worth, and then you've got
to that whatever's left has to cash flow two lives.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Oh, it's crazy. It's at the exact moment of life
where you're supposed to not worry for yourself and not
worry about finances. You're completely starting over again.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So it's a disaster financially.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I would think that to get divorced younger, there has
to be an incident, no, meaning like when you're younger,
things have to really go south to not want to
work through it. Someone's cheated, there's a huge rift or
something in the relationship that you can't even work on it,
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stay in it, even for the kids or for whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But I think, like you were just saying, once you
are not bound by those obligations, then you are free
to think about what your life could look like.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's interesting because you know,
our relationship recently has been more challenging.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, that happens. You have good days, bad days, years,
bad years, I al would say.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, and you know, we I think we have to,
you know, work through some minor things. I remember, I
think twice we've gone through challenges in our relationship and
we had to work through them.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, even bigger things, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I mean, I I don't remember really when, but I
remember I think most of them were related to like
housewives or something.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Or yes, I always say there was we had one
bad year.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, and so it's it's I just feel I feel
really bad for the all the you know, these celebrities.
It seems like it's funny because they don't want to
talk about it. They don't talk about it, and it
just seems like within five minutes they've all moved on.
But I think the truth is for most couples that
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you're looking that we I'll bet you almost every one
of these couples, by the time we hear about it,
they've already been separated for two years and I've already
started new lives. And I'm sure that's the case for
like a Hugh Jackman and Keith Urban. You know, I
bet they've in the last two years. I don't know.
I don't have any personal information, but I'll bet that
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they've spent you know, twenty percent of their time together.
I mean that they were already separated and it was
just a matter of announcing it, or one of them
just goes, okay, I can't take this anymore, or the
public heres that somebody's dating and now they have they
have to make a proclamation. But I think must.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Bear also in the public eye like that when you
have kids, Yeah, don't you know, want to accept the kids,
have them hear about things.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, And so for us, I think we don't. The
challenges that we've gone through never involve you know, we're
not together. We're always together. I mean, it's just a
perspective shift or something. It's uh, I don't know, what
(15:06):
do you think?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I don't know. I mean, I think the bottom
line is, you know, is your relationship worth fighting for?
Because relationships are difficult and you go through challenging times.
But the question is are you interested in being in
this relationship or are you not? Because if you're not
interested in being in the relationship, you're never going to
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work at it and you're never going to get on
the other side. If you're interested in being in the relationship,
you've got to know that. You know that things that
you go through these stages. Norm Lear was on my
podcast years ago. Do you remember me telling you about that?
And he was talking about one of his marriages and
(15:47):
he was like, oh, this failed marriage of mine, And
I said, how long were you together? And it was
like over thirty years? Yeah, I mean, and I said,
but that is not a failed like you're over one
hundred years old, right, That is a thirty year relationship
is a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So if someone breaks has a great divorce, that's it
should be considered just another part of life. It was
successful and now it's just time for a new chapter.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I think it depends why. I mean, I think if
that relationship has run its course and yeah, and you
still have all this life left. Yeah, why not? That
would be a successful relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
For you and I. I mean, we have had recent struggles,
but I still love you dearly and always want to
be with you. I do, and so that in a
way makes it more painful to have struggles, because like
sometimes when we're arguing, I'll want to text you and
I just want to say, Hi, how are you? And
(17:00):
I know that you're mad at me, and I can't
just do that because you'll go HI or you know,
there's those.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Memes that are like I am mad at you, but
you're my best friend and I tell you something. That's
That's what I find the hardest too, is if you
and I are like arguing about something, and to be clear,
we don't. We don't argue like we don't have the
big thankfully, the big ticket item is to argue about.
(17:34):
There's no infidelity, there's not you know, financial stress, there's
like we don't have those things.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
We get on each other's nerves, yes, and more specifically
and more honestly, I get on your nerves. Yes. Sometimes yeah,
I'm you know, sometimes I just walk around like I'm
bumping into walls and just saying things meaning maybe I'm
(18:01):
I don't know what is it with me? I'm I'm
sort of sometimes I'm disconnected or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think, you know. My joke about Terry is that
he walks through life like he's just scrubbed in for surgery.
You know. He like, I'm putting my hands up right now,
like he doesn't touch anything. And it's funny because it's
true when you want to handle something, You're the smartest
person I know, and you are capable of so many things.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
If we're having an issue, I just go, you know,
we'll just put three sleeps and it'll in the issue.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Will just and let me tell you what's the worst
thing to do for me?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And that's putting. You're more mad, You're more mad. I'm
I can't even do I can't even remember that's the
problem what it was about. And it's like Haanya, You're like,
I'm so and I go, oh, and I have to
go back and go what what was that thing that
we were that you were not happy with me that
(18:58):
I did? It's like I can't even remember it. And
for example, the other day, which is rare, you did
something that upset me and I to be honest with you,
I can't remember what it is right now, right, I
can't remember, And I think it was a legitimate upsetting thing. Man,
(19:20):
I don't remember what it was. I really don't. And
it took us two weeks to get past it. But
it wasn't getting past the thing. It was just the
fact that something was brewing and I already forgot what
it was, and I was like sort of already over it.
But in our case, it's often my reaction to the thing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That gets you upset.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Con One, well, your Heather Debro is very sensitive, and
I think as I'm gotten older, I think I'm getting
I'm less emotional even am.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But anyway, I mean I think it's it's it's so hard.
I mean, there must be commonalities among celebrity relationships where
they go, I don't need to put up with this.
I'm this person, you know, like Nicole Kidman. Although there
might have been an INFIDELI I don't really necessarily believe
(20:22):
there was an infidelity thing. I think they were probably
separated and the writing was on the wall and one
of them started dating and then it became a thing.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I think when you it must be incredibly hard to
be away from your significant other, whether you're a celebrity
or not. I mean, if one person travels a lot
for business or whatever, you know, it's just it's hard
to not be together. Well, I maintain an appropriate.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right, Well, I think the worst thing you can do
for a struggle period in a relationship is to separate
people totally, because he just Brew and Stu and there's
no like with you and I are so we just
need to hash it out and fix it and move on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I also think what's something that's really important is that
if you are in a relationship that you love and
you're going through a difficult time, don't hang out with
divorced people. That is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Hang out with couples that are good.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
But that's challenging too, because sometimes we in the past
have hung out with couples that are good, and of
course they're putting on their best face for other couples,
and we go, well, look how how nice he is
to her, Look how happy they are, and we're not
necessarily feeling this way, And of course, for all we
know fighting in the car and fighting in the car
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on the way home.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't mean it exactly like that. What I'm saying
is it's like, you know, I've known women who were
in troubling times in their marriages and started hanging out
with a lot of divorced women in the grass always
greener kind of vibe right, and ended up getting divorced,
and one of which I'm specifically thinking of, regretted that.
(22:09):
And that's why I'm saying, I think it's important to
be with couples that no couple's perfect, No one is
happy one hundred percent of the time. That would be,
you know, ridiculous. But I think hanging out with couples
that are respectful of each other, that really like each other,
that have figured it out.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, let's be honest, most of the couples that we
we hang out with there on their second or third marriage,
and they were in the first seven years, and of
course they're happy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Good points. Yeah, so that doesn't work a rare first wife.
I like to tell Terry, he married his second wife.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
First, right. It's interesting, man.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The second wives get treated so much better.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But it's funny, you say, don't so when women get
together and they talk about these things. I've seen these
funny things on Instagram where this guy goes golfing with
guy and a group of guys, and one of the
guys recently got divorced and it's going through an ugly divorce.
And then the merry guy goes back home and the
(23:10):
wife goes so and he goes, so, what, so what's
with the divorce? What did he say? Goes I wanted
to talk about it?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We don't talk about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah you don't.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean I never I have.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You go out to dinner with a friend and a
big So what's going on with the kids and with her?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I don't know them. We never ever talk about and
I don't really want to know about it, to be honest,
I don't care. Yeah, you know, guys get together, they
talk about I don't, but they get they talk about sports.
I get together and we talk.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
About money, money, investing, investing. I have to say, though,
for women of mine, I mean, I'm fifty six and
I have women friends that are older, younger, my age, whatever.
But I find that things have shifted in my world.
I don't know if it's just me or if it's
or how other women feel. I'm sort of curious. Maybe
(24:01):
we'll put up a poll, but I find we don't
talk about I mean housewives aside, We don't talk about
like sort of gossipy things like that. I don't want
to know if we talk about menopause, we talk about longevity,
we talk about working out, we talk about supplements. I
(24:23):
mean there's a lot of that, right, But those conversations
have shifted.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So do you ever get together your friends and complain
about your relationship?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, although if you're going through a divorce off your
separate you have to talk about that. But guys still
wouldn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, probably not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Now, Hey, what's going on? You know, we're going through
a thing and that would be the end of it.
The guy would go anyway. So yeah, Well with.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Nvidio emotional, I mean, women need to talk about things.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah. So the thing with the Great Divorce is I
think it's weird. I have mixed feelings about it. Obviously,
these people all divorced needed to divorce, right and they
probably I mean, how long before a great divorce was
the relationship over over? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, have you seen I've seen like a bunch of
memes and stories about people who are you know, in
the roommate phase. Yes, a relationship We're very good at
not falling into that trap. Yes, we date each other.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We try to.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We you know, schedule sex if we need to, We
try to, you know all that stuff. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean I can't imagine. I could see how it
would how it could happen. But I don't think you
and I just seeing our personalities, I don't know, maybe
you could. I couldn't live very long like that.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's funny because I've seen couples in movies where, oh,
like the movie Dave, the President and his wife.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh right, yeah, yeah, right, that's a cute movie.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
They I mean, he goes on and has a stroke
and then they get the fake guy and then he
falls in love with the guys.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Spoiler alert. I wanted to see the movie Dave.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But obviously they walk in like their husband and wife.
And then as the issues they're in the White House
and off camera and not in the public eye, they go,
they go their separate ways. You and I, even when
we're battling, we go, let's go to dinner. That's the problem.
We're best friends, you know, And Okay, I guess that's good, right.
(26:39):
I mean, I can't imagine real Peerlman and Danny Beato
not being best friends.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, but again you're talking about how long were they together?
Fifty years. I mean that's a long that is a.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Lifetime, almost too long to be with one person.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Looking around, You're.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Doing well, I'm super healthy. But I was just reading this,
oh bit from this doctor. You know, when you're on
staff at a hospital. I'm on staff at a hospital.
Whenever a doctor dies, they send out a thing to
all the hospital staff. And I was just reading this
guy and he's an amazing guy, and I can't believe
he died. He was eighty, and he was kind of
(27:17):
a renaissance guy and his big thing was he never
missed a workout and he died at eighty. Now, obviously
something got.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Him, right as it does that.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
He could have done surveillance on and potentially and I
won't let that happen. Like I asked you yesterday, when
was the last time we did a pernuvo scan?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
December?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And I said, Okay, it's now October November. We need
a pernuvo scan.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Caul, we go back to the Great Divorce or section. Yeah. So,
I mean I think my take on it, I feel
the same way I think I have mixed feelings about it.
On one hand, I feel like life is short. You
are not happy? Why why miserable? That I would not
do but I can't imagine. It's funny. I think if
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you think of your life like if I sat here
and thought of my life, if you walked out of
this room and I never saw you again, like.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You'd be fine.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I don't like that visual. And it's not that I'm
codependent with you. It's that I love you and I
love being with you, and I love the way we
laugh together, and I love that even when we're with
our kids, who we love and cherish and adore.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
We're ready to leave them and hang out. Yes, yeah, no, it's.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
True, we're ready to be alone again. Well, and I
love all that. And you know, there's a lot of
talk about how do you rebuild your identity after leaving
a long term marriage, But I would tell you for me,
and then I want to hear how you feel. But
for me, I don't think I have ever lost my
identity because I'm your wife. I definitely have been through
(28:59):
identity crisis just for the by virtue of being a
full time working actors do a stay at full time,
stay at home mom. You know all these different things.
But that's not because I married you. No, that was
just life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I didn't define you at all.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
If we stopped talking yesterday, I don't have an identity crisis.
And I think that I believe this is why you're
seeing a lot of grey divorce. I think it's because
you people lose themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, what do you think? Well, if I
walked out, could you see your life? Oh? I would
live in a one bedroom apartment and have no social
life and cats I would have. Okay, first thing I
would do to you? Now he's happy, Okay, there is
there are some positive things. I would immediately go rescue
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two cats eat and I get two older cats and
who could tolerate each other and would be the three
of us. Yes, and it's oh, I do love tuna fish.
In fact, I would be a cathlade. We stuck the
fridge let me, I'd hire somebody for that. But I
try to try not to eat too much tuna.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
We tell you not to tuna because there's too much mercy.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Too much mercury. But it's interesting. I was thinking about
Kyle and Maurice. They are not divorced, but they're clearly
obviously and they've announced it completely living separate lives.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know what I like about it. They are together
for families events, their daughter just got married. They seem
to it must be very difficult to go through it
emotionally in some respects, but also I love again. I
don't know what goes on by the closed doors, but
they seem very respectful of each other, and I think
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that's great. I think it's a great example for their kids.
You know another divorced couple that I'm super impressed with,
Taric and Heather el Musa and Christina hack Ry. I
was a guest judge on the Flip Off last year
and I've known them all separately, but to see them
all together and now even now, like they're so close,
(31:11):
they've become such good friends, all of them. And I
said to them last year, I was like, this is
such a beautiful thing to be showing your kids.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well, I think the reason they can do this because
they officially did move on and remarry, even though she's
now split.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, but even still, when you were with someone for
a long time and you have children with them, I
can't imagine just completely being able to disassociate your former
relationship with that person and being able to move on
like that. I just think it's amazing. So I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Do you think if we separated, yeah, and I was
dating and it was in the public that I was dating,
that you'd be cool with me at family gatherings. No,
I don't think we can do a Kyle Mauricio thing.
Definitely not.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
No, I'm irritated just from you saying that sorry picture.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But I will tell you I do completely and totally
love you, and when we struggle, I think it hurts
both our hearts, and that's good. That's why I don't think.
I think in my case it wouldn't be a great divorce.
It would be a receding divorce anyway, Baldwin Hill's divorce.
I'm kidding. Although let's be honest. This head of whatever
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hair I have left, I mean, it's not nothing. There's
no black in it at all. It's all just fake
black anyway. It's like dyed. I have a shampoo that
dyes it.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's weird. It doesn't really have a color.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You're it's very It's like I can't decide what to
do with I mean, George Clooney crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Your hair was never brown. You had black hair, yeah,
and then you started getting gray. And then the kids
pulled up a picture the other day, so gray. Your
hair was so gray. You look younger now, I think
then you did fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
You were good. And you know it's funny. I was
watching the Who's the who played meathead on All the Family? Right?
Carl Reiner, Rob Rob Reiner? Right? His dad was Carl Reiner.
So Rob Reiner has directed and is one of the
stars in Spinal Tap two. It's about to come out.
(33:19):
And he was just on sixty minutes and I was
looking at him, and you know, he's older than me,
and he's bald, and I was looking why does he
look so good? And then I looked at his neck
and he clearly hasn't had a facelift, and I realized
he had his eyes done.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You want to have your eyes done?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I think I should have my eyes done. I'll tell
you why are both both and I'll.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Tell you what careful with the upper lids on guys
on guys?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But Rob Reiner looks great, okay? And I noticed that. Okay,
So there's obviously and I don't know any any firsthand,
but there's there's clearly good looking actors who have had facelift. Yes, okay,
and so men. He used to be if a man
had a facelift, he would sort of end their career.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, because I yes, and I think part partially because
you have to go to someone who specifically does male facelifts,
because if you start to look too feminine, if you
can't do it right, I mean your a pluster or
do you can't do the same kind of face.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Lift I do. I do a very good male fit.
But anyway, but I noticed that, and I don't want
to name any names, but the really gorgeous actors who
are like five years younger than me and some almost
my exact age have clearly had facelift. And you've ever
wondered whether an actor's had a facelift and he's over sixty,
look at his neck. If his neck doesn't have any laxity,
he has had a facelift, because it's everybody over the
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age of sixty.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
How do you hide the scars? Scars? Because in women
you do it like in the hairline.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, sometimes you can do it way in front, but
that's what that can be a problem.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, you really would have your eyes don't? Would you
ever have a facelift?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
No, I don't want a facelift. No, I mean I
don't this thing in my gobble here, I've earned that gobble.
I've earned that gobble. I enjoy the goal. I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The only reason are you trying to tell me? I
you have plastic surgery?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No? No, I look in the mirror, and this is funny.
I've never really you know, I had my nose done
on the show, and let's be honest. He did a
great job, but it doesn't look very different. I think
(35:27):
some people are resistant to plastic surgery, and Terry debrou
may be resistant to plastic surcher.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, you also said at a certain age and a
certain thickness of skin, Yeah, you can only achieve so much.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, but I like my nose now it's much better. Oh.
He did a great job. He's gifted, he's amazing. Yeah,
he's really good. But my eyes, I think when I
look in the mirror, I go, wow, you look really tired.
And by the way, I am really tired.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
We are very tired. Yeah, but we haven't slept.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Much of it. I think if I had my eyes
done that I would look in the mirror and not
look as tired, and I would be weirdly less tired
as a result. And that is true. If someone you
know looks better, they certainly feel better. Yeah, so I
think I should probably have my eyes done, all right?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, when do you want to do that?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I don't know. Maybe the next couple of the questions,
do I do it on TV? Or not?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Really?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
You know what, Remember when I was having an epidural
for my sciatica, Oh God, And I went back to
have another one like six months.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Later and doctor's wife.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Doctor's wife gets weird complications and I filmed it and
the doctor lovely guy, but I think it made him
a little nervous. And I ended up with a complication. Yes,
and I got I was spilling spinal fluid. Yeah, didn't
realize it. Kept going to Orange theory, running on a treadmill.
My head was pounded, and then they had to give
(37:01):
me a blood pat and he said I was going
to feel like I was hit by a bus. I'm like, oh, please,
it's me And they did it and I felt like
I was hit by a bus. And it was two
days before the reunion that year. Yeah, I was so
exhausted putting it on. My point is sometimes I get nervous.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah. Well, we have some friends guys who've had their
eyes done. It's like, oh my god. The other thing
is maybe I shouldn't care anyway, because everyone on the
internet says he's had so much work done to his
face and injections and all the shit stuff done. Anyway,
And let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You have often said, are you trying to tell me something?
Because you have often said that women that go in
to get their breast done are ready to leave their husbands.
Do do you? Is that really true?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh? You mean I'm ready to have my eyes done.
By the way, I do not think having my eyes
done would make me more appealing to women.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Is that what it's holding you back?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Having my eyes done? No, I don't want to have
plastic surgery. And by the way, think about me, I'm
a doctor who specializes in complications of plastic surgery. The
chances that I have a complication of plastic surgery is
extraordinarily high.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, but eyes are easy.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
But it's so ironic and when you look at the
diseases doctors get that put them under a don't if
peak surgeon often gets a bone disease of pathology, well,
I mean it usually is a weird thing related to
their own specialty. Back to this, So I'm going to
have a complication from plastics, Oh.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
God forbid, don't say that. But no, you'll go to
someone great.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So what I mean, half the people I operate on
go to someone great. And that, by the way, the
greatest surgeons that you know, you've never heard of. If
you saw the ten percent of their patients who are unhappy,
you think they were the worst surgeons.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Ever, right, even in the best of hands. As you say,
but wait, can we just finish that? Is that true
that women come in and they want to get mommy
makeovers or breast done, and you'd think that's like a
first step in an exit.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, I think usually not. But if a woman comes
in with her husband and he's sort of controlling and
it's intense, and he's really opining about her breasts, and
it's like, oh, they're about to break up. Really, they're
trying to salvage their marriage somehow. It's like having a
(39:33):
child almost. You know. Sometimes couples that are not getting along, Well,
if we have a child, this will fix our relationship.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's the band aid.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yes, and so no, I think a sixty seven year
old guy having his eyes done is pretty like, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, it's funny. We were at Kat's parents weekend, yeah,
this past weekend, and we met these really nice couples
and one of the couples we met they're now empty nesters. Yeah,
and they were talking about, you know, what their goal
is for the year, and they're going to get fit
and they're building this house like all this really fun,
(40:09):
great stuff, and to me, I felt like that is
so cool, Like that's the kind of stuff that I
look forward to.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Well, we have one left for an empty master. Is
it possibly you just kick him out school? Would you
like to go to school? By the way, did you
ever mention to him going to boarding school?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
He's not going to boarding so I'm not letting him
go to boarding. You wouldn't, No, absolutely not. This is
a very specific time in a kid's life, this sort
of period of time between freshman and senior year of
high school, and they go through a lot, they start dating,
they might you know, they're going to be exposed to
(40:51):
alcohol and drugs.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And things, and don't do that. Alcohol, drugs.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
No, I know they I've.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Encouraged them to maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
No, But they are exposed to those things and they're
going to mess up somewhere at school with the friend group,
whatever it is. They will mess up. And you need
your parents to be around to help you navigate all that.
And I not that. Listen, If the boarding school is
the right choice for some people, that's fine, but I
don't think for it.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But anyway, this great divorce thing sucks for them, but
maybe it's good for them. But you know, I think
we've reached a phase where our struggles we certainly can
work through them, right, Yeah, And I love you so much.
(41:39):
And even though I can be a giant pain in
the ass, you know, I don't ever want to get
a great divorce or a bald divorce or Baldwin Hills
or a receipt or divorce receipt. By the way, these
are cities, just you know, in the valley. Baldwin Hills
is a city and is a city. But he's like
(42:01):
and so sometimes we'll look at a guy who haven't
seen for a while and go, oh, did he move
to Rosina? Oh, that guy's fully in Baldwin hills. Anyway,
that's the job.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Just see you know we're talking about But listen, if
you're out there and you have a long term relationship,
if it's worth fighting for it, you fight for it.
You got to work on it and have open communication. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, one thing we've never done. We need to talk
about this, I know what for reaching The other podcast
is the therapy.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Thing we've never gone to.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Never gone to therapy, And I wonder how many of
these couples were in therapy. We're in therapy or it
would have helped, or it would have helped. I'm sure
Keith Urban and Nicole Kimmon never went to therapy.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
No, I mean I hadn't know.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I mean, how did that relationship last as long as
amazing lasts as long as it is. They're always traveling,
the guy's a rock star, yeah, and all the girls around,
and she's like she lives on the set. Shouldn't you
shoot fifteen hours a day? When were they ever together?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
We just don't know. We don't know, all.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Right, Well, anyway, I hope that was interesting.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, thank you guys so much for listening. Reminder that
we release episodes every Wednesday at four am Pacific. And
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