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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Heather Dubrow and I'm Ru.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And we're going to keep this between us, but not really.
Can I tell you something, yes, before we get started.
I know this is an audio platform, but I got
this in the mail today. I'm really excited about it,
so I'm just going to show it to you. So
we were at this Louis Bouton fashion show. Would you
were such a good sport about? By the way, thank you,
(00:32):
love you. It was my date and we saw the
fashion show. Jennifer Tilly was there.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, very nice.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Wait time, my friend Yvana AnyWho. They had this person.
So when I throw parties, I like to always find
the sort of equivalent of balloon twisters and bouncy houses
but for adults. Right, So you know I've done weed
bars and ear seating, haikus whatever. But they had at
this fashion show, they had a gal sitting there and
(00:59):
she took a picture of your profile and then cut
out your profile. I've seen them do this at Disneyland,
but I've never had it done before.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And you know what I especially like about it?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You look so young.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
She gave me like a full necklift.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I love her and I'd like to hire her.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And I'd like her to do what to yourlift?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes, if she's this good with a scissor, come on, man, I.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Think she put a chin implant into those A problem
she did.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It looks like do I have a weak chin?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Look at me?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Maybe does it not look like me?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean it looks let me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Someone told me you put your tongue on the roof
in your molve, right and that sucks your Yes, maybe
this is me with a neck tape.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Neck tape.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, you know they have that necktape that you put
on the back of your neck and it holds your
neck back, like as if you've had a necklift. I
saw some do that on a set ones with duct tape.
It was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
We know someone a celebrity does who used to do that?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
A lot celebrity gave it to me. I know I
cannot see who. Anyway, I love my profile shot. Very excited,
very good.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. That was a That was a really great event
for me. I could feel my credit card burning up
in my wall as we were sitting there. I mean,
I just you know, it's amazing. It's like Louis Vauton,
Chanelle Dior, Mez.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Trada, they're like.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Drugs. You guys are like addicted to them.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It's the weirdest thing. I always walk in and I go,
if there's like a Chanelle dress or something, I cover
up the seas. I go two hundred dollars. Then I
put my hand down and expose the seas eighteen thousand dollars.
It's so true, two hundred eighteen.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, you're not someone that likes things, and certainly not
these days. But you know, guys, many guys of your
status would like like watches or cars or you know,
things like that. So women like shiny things. What can
I tell you? Pretty things, shiny things. But I also
just like fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah. I mean, as I've said before, an incredibly unfortunate
thing happened to me. The more successful I got, less
interested I got in the things that success allows you
to have access.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
To just means there's more cash for me.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, it's true, but it's kind of like an ironic joke. Now,
you try hard for you lose interest in once you
get it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We just got the directive for the reunion. So for
the reunion, you know, it needs to be a cohesive
look because there's eight of us sitting on a set,
and they design the set a certain way, and you know,
like the set was purple. You don't want everyone wearing orange,
right know, you want everyone to look nice and cohesive.
So they send us like a mood board. H okay,
(04:06):
And I just ordered a bunch of dresses from Amazon.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
From Amazon, Well, when did Chanelle start selling an Amazon don't?
How much is an Amazon dress?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This is what bothers me about the reunion dress is
that that is literally one of those dresses you only
wear once. Why because first of all, you're sitting in
it for like twelve hours. It's a really long day.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, this is a diaper. I mean, you can wear
it again.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Some of them I still have. Yeah, Well listen, so
people don't wear things again. Some people just wear them
one time, like if they wear it on a red
carpet or you know, at the reunion or a special
event like that, they don't wear them go an ie.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Why.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I don't know, because I think some people some people
believe once it's photographed, it's done. I actually, how ridiculous.
Clothes aren't disposable, and I definitely repeat outfits. I mean,
if Princess Kate can repeat outfits, I think we all.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Can a three minute appearance on red carpet means you
can't ever wear it again.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, I know you don't.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I wear my things over and over. But here's the thing,
here's why I shopped at Amazon. I love fashion, I
really do. But I like to buy what I want
to buy, not what I need to buy to meet
This feels like, oh, you know, something that I have
to be in a certain color palette, or something which
might not be something typically that I would wear. So
(05:33):
I just don't want to spend a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
On that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And by the way, there's beautifully made dresses. I also
I went to this other company I went to. I
ordered some things on Amazon, and then I went to
this other company that I really like, and they have
very reasonably priced dresses. They're like two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So the Amazon dresses you're ordering are two hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
One was eighty five. I did this last year too.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You are going to wear an eighty five dollars US
on the reunion.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Last year for the reunion I bought it was down
to two dresses. One was a seventy five dollars Amazon
dress and the other one, which is the one I wore,
I think was three hundred dollars. Really, shoes are another story, yes,
and the shoes.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Jewelry, well, the jewelry.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I know. I was going to say I owned I
borrowed my earrings from Martin Katz and thought you were
going to buy them afterwards, but I apparently did not.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh really, No, I'm not sure I remember that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Oh I'm glad I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Maybe that was the year before when I was right now,
I don't think that happened. No, that was two years ago. Yes,
I was wearing the black dress. They were diamond slice earrings,
and they are now on the wife of Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well, you know, you know what's I've found. You know,
I don't want to talk about housewives, I'm you know,
but it's amazing me how recently how many A list
celebrities are now huge fans of housewives.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Do you think it's been going on for quite some time?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yes, but I mean like on the Emmys, Sean Oliver
talked about housewives and Stiller and Stiller talked about housewives. Boy,
it's really becoming sort of you know, elevated. Yes, yeah,
if that's at all possible, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Crazy, Yes, So let's see what I'm gonna wear. We'll
see how it turns out. There is this article It
says the pill that women are taking for everything from
speeches to first dates.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh I love this. Okay, so greatest pill ever.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We're talking about pro panel all. It's a beta blocker.
First of all, it's just sort of in basic terms,
and then I want us to tell our propanel all stories.
But in basic terms, can you explain to everyone what
a beta blocker is.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So in the body, in the heart and in the
blood vessels, there are these receptors for epinephrine and nora
ephron and other things called beta receptors. There's alpha a
greenergic receptors and they're beta receptors and they are involved
with the fight or flight response typically, and so like
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when you get scared, the alpha receptors are sensitive to
have an ephorn that you make and your blood pressure
goes up, your pulse goes up, and you are able
to do things related to you know, focus and anxiety
and things like that. The opposite receptors that slow down
your heart and lower your blood pressure are called beta receptors,
(08:36):
and they're both in the blood vessels and in the heart.
And the drug these drugs are as old as medicine itself.
They're called beta blockers, and propenelol is the most common
of the beta blockers, and when you take them, you
typically take them. The medical indications generally for beta blockers
(08:56):
are high blood pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Right, So that's what I always I never knew, and
we're going to talk about this, but I never knew
that beta blockers were used for all these other things
because I grew up with family members at high blood pressure.
So to me, beta blocker meant high blood pressure, right,
a medical problem, that's.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, Yeah, yeah, And I mean one of the first
things that put you on it if you think you're
having a heart attacks, they want to slow down your
heart rate and slow down any activity or tension on
the heart is they put you on a beta blocker
and it just slows everything down. Now, it doesn't work centrally,
it doesn't work in your brain. It doesn't make you
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sedated in any kind of a way.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Right, there's no effects like that. There's no altering effects.
It's not like taking a valium or it's some kind
of benzodiazepine exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It doesn't mood alter.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Right, So you're not funky, you don't feel weird. You
could drive your car. It's not like that, which is good.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yes. So it's long been known and I've known about
it forever that a beta blocker is very good for
people who have difficulty with things like public.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Speaking, yeah, giving speeches.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, or if you're going to engage in activity where
you really don't want to have butterflies, you want to
be very very calm. Isn't really the right word because
it doesn't calm your mood, but it just it's for me.
You know, how you feel when you study for a
test versus how you take how you feel when you're
taking the test.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
This is not a good analogy from waw no.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
But when you're studying for the test, you're not nervous, okay,
because there's nothing on the line. Would when you're when
you're taking the test. Let's you're studying for a test
two months before the example, and you're sitting down just
reading some information. They're fine, what, you're fine, You're fine
that versus going in, walking in the room with your pencil,
(10:54):
sitting down, they pass out the test. Performance anxiety completely
gets rid of all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, performance anxiety is an interesting way to couch it
because you but an athlete wouldn't take.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This, No, well, athletes an it's a banned substance. Oh yeah, Now,
an athlete who depends upon elevated heart rate would not
want to take it. But in the Olympics you're not
allowed to take it for any of those sports where,
for example, that those shooting sports or bow and arrow
that kind of stuff absolutely can't take any beta blocker.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Because it would just calm everything down.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's the most amazing drug. And I'll tell you the
first time, very briefly that I took it. Okay, I
was learning how to do microsurgery in the Plastic Surery
program at UCLA.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Is that like through the little microscope thing.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean, you're sewing together blood vessels and nerves smaller
than your hair, than the hairs on your head, okay,
and you have to sew them together so perfectly the
blood vessels otherwise blood won't flow through them right, so
they have to be completely open and paytent Well, you
spend a week in a laboratory with a doing kind
of microsurgery before they'll let you out on patients with
the professors on rats, learning how to connect various super small,
(12:11):
tiny blood vessels under a microscope. And then you get
to rotate on the professor the Chairman's service, where you're
going to do your first microscopic surgery with him. And
this was a guy when I was at Ucile who
wrote the book called Microsurgery Terrifying, Terrifying, And everybody tells
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you he's going to set up the case, he's going
to set up the blood vessel, and he's going to
hand you the instrument with the super small suiture that
you can barely see with your eyes, okay, with the
tiniest needle, and he's going to allow you to throw
the first stitch. And if you don't throw the stitch accurately,
(12:53):
or you move too much, you shake too much, he's
not going to let you do anything for the next
three months. You're just going to watch him up right,
And it's very very terrifying. Right. So I took the
micro course. I did really well, but then I knew
the next day I was going to this really difficult
microsurgery with doctor Shaw. William Shaw, the chairman of the
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program and the author of Microsurgery, the textbook, and so
every time, don't f it up, don't shake too much,
don't move around, you better accurately throw this. And so
I'm That morning, I woke up and I took sixty
milligrams of pro paneloul.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It was prescription back then too.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's always prescription. Yeah, it's a heart medication. And by
the time I got to the hospital, I was like feeling.
In other words, I was like, how you feel you're doing.
In the first case with doctor Shaw, everybody's kind of
make you scared of go, yeah, I'm good, good, you know,
and no butterflies nothing. I get in there. He hands
(13:58):
me here. It is the moment they've all talked about.
He hands me the instrument with the tiny little microscopic
stitch on it, and I go in, out out, and
then I go and I tie it off with no shake,
(14:20):
no extra movements at all, and he and then I
handed back to him because he was going to do
the next one. And he goes to me, no shake,
and I go, because I'm an idiot, and I go, no,
but I've got burger fries.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I'm sure he loved you.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
He didn't laugh at all.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
No, I'm sure not at all.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He had, by the way he wrote, he has zero
sense of humor. But it was awesome. And so from
then on, anytime I had to do, like take a
test that I was really nervous about, or I had
to give a speech. I mean, probably the first ten
(15:05):
times I had to sit in the chair to do
botched when they go okay, So Paul walks in and
it looks at you, and then what do you say?
You know, I'm nervous. You know I would take an
intero all really, yeah, INTEROOLL and propenal all the same.
Intero all is the trade name, you know. And so
I still occasionally do it. And now it's become it
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took all these years later.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
For it to become so popular.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's extraordinarily popular. And you've been using it. Well, this
is what turns you on to it?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Me? No, doctor abram said, So this is what happened.
So a few years ago, maybe four or five years ago,
I was getting PVCs, right, which is like an extra beat, right.
I was getting these PVCs, and we have this concierge
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cardiologist named doctor Abramson. I don't have any issues, but
I just go prophylactically. Just want to make sure everything's
part And he's so sweet, and we just posted that
we were just there and did our stress test and
all the things. Anyway, so I was having these PVCs
and he's so sweet, and he met me, remember at Starbucks,
met me at Starbucks and we saturated. He goes, what's
(16:23):
going on with you? And I was kind of stressed
about this, about that, whatever, the kids, this, that, and
so he suggested that I start we are never I
was getting them that I start taking pro panelol. And
he gave me like this baby dose of pro panelol.
And what I realized was I took it a couple
of times at the end of the day, and I
found that I slept so well well after I took it. Now,
(16:48):
it doesn't make you tired, it doesn't put you to sleep.
It's got no psychoactive properties. You don't feel buzzed. It's
nothing like that. But for some reason it helps us sleep.
And you know, I'm really sensit. I mean, I can
drink the caws come home, but if you give me
a chip of an ambient, I'll be asleep for two weeks.
So I can't take any of those sleep aids, and
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so this to me was genius. And when I asked
doctor Abramson about it, he said he has a lot
of patients that use it for exactly that, because it
doesn't make you tired, but it basically just calms the
heart and allows you to sleep. So I love it. Now,
what's interesting for me is that I would never take
it for those reasons. I thrive on the butterflies and
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the energy of right before I'm going out on stage,
right before I'm going to speak in public, right before
I'm on a set. Any of that. I It's like
it's a rush and thrill, and there's a combination for
me of that adrenaline and excitement and butterflies and creativity
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that make me who I am when I do things
like that. So for me, it wouldn't work. But man,
when I read this article and I started reading, I
knew people took it for public speaking. And I get
that because if that's not your regular gig or you know,
if you have you know, you want to be very
clear and calm. I understand that, But man, people are
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taking it at their weddings and at all these sort
of high pressure of it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No it's amazing. There are a couple things about it,
a couple sort of things to consider, but you're right,
has no psychoactive properties. It is a prescription. You have
to ask your doctor to give it for you. But
if you can't exercise on it, your heart rate won't
I do Yeah, but if you want to do cardio,
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your heart rate won't go above ninety. So you sit
here and you punk out because your heart rate, you
want the blood flow won't keep up with the demand
the muscular the blood flow demand of your muscles.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, what's the half life?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think it's about three hours, so you can take
it in the morning, work out in the afternoon. For me,
I really don't do well with cardio when I've been
on it at all. It does make me a little
bit tired, really, yeah, because my heart.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
How many milligrams do you take?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I take, well, I'm always a little tired. Name, but
it takes me, you know, I take like forty to
sixty milligram.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But it's funny because it now has finally been discovered
socially as the you know, actors are talking about. As
I said, and it's the greatest anti anxiety drug. Starter
drug right, because it's there's virtually no side effects, no
side effects, non addictive.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That's what I was going to say, is it's not
addicting right now.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But I will tell you so you know, I I
studied for a year for the American Board of Obesity
Medicine Certification exam.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Right because he passed and I passed with ninety four.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And Jillian Michael's and I got into it about the
GLP ones, which we're going to talk about. I think
she said they're terrible. I said they're great. And I said,
you don't know what you're talking about. And we're fighting
on TMZ and blah blah blah. And I thought, Okay,
I better take this example. Because I'm just a plastic surgeon.
I better be of an OBC medicine expert if I'm going
to talk about OBEC as a disease. And I took
it for the exam.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh a lot of people take it for exams.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And I sat there and going, God, thank God for
this drug, because I took the exam as if I
was taking a practice test.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
But I will tell you and the reason I'm bringing
up the American Board of OBC Medicine certification exam is
that certain drugs are were called obesogenic.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Ob So that's a word. Yeah, obiesogenic? What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Cause obesity? And you know a lot of the psycho,
a lot of the antiper panel of the depressant antidepressants,
as you know, are obesogenic, right.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Like a lot of people that are on zoloft and
whatever they gain weight.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yes, yes, so I never told you this because but
pro penel also obesogenic.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
But the way I think I'm doing okay, but the
way someone told me to eat a cheeseburger, the way.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You take it, first of all, rude. The starter dose
really for someone like you is ten milligrams. That's like
a nothing though, Okay, can.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You imagine if I didn't dig it? Pople'd be wayfer them?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
People take one hundred and twenty milligrams twice a day?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Really, Oh, I take like twenty.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
By the way, there's other beta block there's many, many
beta blockers. Per penal all is kind of like the
starter one. But there's beta blockers that have a half
life for twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That's great. Well, this is apparently the fastest growing pill here.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Is Yeah, and it's great because it's the safest, no
addiction potential, literally no side effect except for what it
would do for you cardio or cardio. And I remember
reading a study or reading an interview with a cardiologist
like twenty years ago, and he said, what would you
recommend people take to prevent to live long and prevent
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heart attacks in the long run? He said, I think
every but he should be on a low dose of panelol.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Really, yeah, because it makes the heart.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It just it just chills the heartouse.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You don't over you don't overwork.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Your heart just goes from here. Here.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You have some blood, some oxygen, and you can drink alcohol.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Have a little more.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Clearly if I'm the test case, you can drink alcohol.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah. No, it doesn't really interact with the only.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Because that would be a game game changer.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You don't want to take any of your asthmatic I
forgot to say that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Why is that? Because it's contraindication.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
The beta receptors in the lung don't open up the lung,
the blood the lungs.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Okay, if you're asthmatic, do not take that.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Don't take if you always.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Ask your doctor.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But it's the greatest drug ever. Recommend it highly and Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So this is an interesting segue, but because we are
going to talk about GP ones. Why it's interesting for
me is that I grew up in a household. I
don't know if I've ever asked you this about your house,
but in the household that I grew up in, no
one took anything you weren't allowed to, Like God forbid,
if someone was depressive, there was no medication because God forbid,
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people would think you were on a depression medication, like
anyone would know.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
There was a stigma, I guess, is what I'm trying
to say. There was a stigma to taking things work
it out a different way. But there's all these beautiful
drugs that do work, that have been around for a
million years and have been tested for a long time.
Though you know you're not going to find out in
two months cause your you know, eyeballs to turn yellow
or something like that. So I love that. There's the
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I mean for me personally, like hormone replacement therapy, I
love that. I love pro PANELOL. I think it's amazing.
I don't take it for the same reason other people do,
but I love the way I do it. So now
let's segue this to GLP once because are so many
articles right now. And I'll tell you what's catching my eye,
because I don't need to lose weight. But what's catching
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my eye obviously lately is there's so many conversations about
brain function that it's helping with brain function. But these
are the new studies. There's a study from the University
of Michigan that found that trizeppetide slashes breast cancer by
twenty percent. For me with dense breast tissue, my risk
factor went up because I have family members that had
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breast cancer, because I'm a certain age all those things.
That was very interesting to me is the concept of microdosing.
And our little friend Andy Cohen just came out. Remember
we just saw him like a month ago. I'm like,
you look so good. I thought it was because he
was dating somewhat. Now it's because he's microdosing.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Man, Genero, Okay, I'm gonna call bs on Andy Cohen.
I'm gonna tell you why on which part the microdosing. Okay,
he's calling it micro dosing because he doesn't want to
fully commit and admit to being on ozembic.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
This is like people saying I got a mini.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Lift, so I didn't really I had a little work done.
I'm really not on ozambic, but I'm micro dosing, so
it sounds better. It sounds better. But how is he microdosing?
How is he microdosing these drugs?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well? How do you micro dose?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Well, I mean if you're a shot, right, yes, if
you're me, you you you go to your office, You
get syringes and you put a dose, a regular dose
into a syringe and you dilute it out, and then
you distribute that diluted dose into small syringes. You have
micro doses. How is Andy Cohen microdosing?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
A start to do for him?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What doctors are? First of all, I don't know any
obviously really prescribe you microdosing. I just think it's it's
and I'm not ragging on him obviously, but he looks.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So good way by the way, Andy, I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Look at him and I go, I hate you because
you've got he's got very very good hair, and he's
gotten better looking, and he looks so I hate him.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
The young the kids keep you young at that age.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, No, he looks really really good. They're amazing for
many things besides obesity. They actually have clinical indications, meaning
there you can be you can prescribe them. For if
you've had a heart attack, you go on them. If
you have fatty liver disease, you go on them. Okay
you're diabetic. If you're diabetic, clearly go on them. If
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for clearly, they don't have an indications yet for schizophrenia,
but they're going to very soon.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They're saying that the studies are showing they're currently approved
for treating obesity, yes, type two diabetes, secondary prevention of
cardiovascular disease, metabolic associated fatty liver disease. That's why I said, right,
chronic kidney disease and patients with diabetes, and sleep happening.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Sleep happen, of course, because that's primarily.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Do you know what's interesting now that you're saying this
sleep appiens? Yes, I do interesting, And I think when
you go off of it it comes back.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, well, I go off of it so we can
go on vacation and I can eat at you know, liberally,
and get fat, and they come back. I'm fat. I
can't breathe again when I'm sleeping.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And also they're saying the drug, the golp ones have
shown notable promise in areas such as we've heard this
addiction is our friend Nancy Davis. Yeah, it has an
organization to help fight addiction, so we know from those
doctors and the improvement of neurological conditions like all times.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, well it's obvious it's all about sugar.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, decrease visceral and imposity
which is fat. Yeah, and they also significantly improve patient's
quality of life. I think the reason why people are
talking about microdosing is because they're saying that many people
have less side effects when they take smaller.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
If you do have less sert effects, you take smaller amounts,
but let's be honest, have less of an effect for
you to take smaller amounts. If you truly micro dose,
you won't lose any weight.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So I could micro dose not lose any weight and
get all those benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yes, Because it's all about making more insulin sensitive, making
decreasing the peak of sugar in your blood. It may
have direct, even direct effects apart from sugar on the
brain anyway, So it's the greatest drug. I think everybody,
I really believe virtually everyone over the age of sort
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of thirty or forty should be on some low dose
golp one.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, So in our few short weeks together between us,
we've decided we all need to be on GLD on
was per panel and creatine.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
There it is no question about that. Yeah, And I
love it. I'm obsessed with it. Prescribe it to my
patients now that I'm board certified in it. So and
I think I think plastic surgeons should read up on it.
And a lot of plastic surgeons will do surgery on
obese individuals when it's better that they lose weight first. Okay.
(29:17):
And you know, if you walk into a plastic surgeon's
office in Beverly Hills, you're a pre op. They want
to operate on you no matter what. That's my opinion. Okay,
that's what I've seen. And patient walks in and they
want a tummy tuck for me, and they need to
lose weight, and I'll have a better result, in a
safer outcome.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You put them on.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I put them on these drugs, and I said, I said,
come back when you've lost twenty five pounds. And by
the way, there's a very high chance that they lose
twenty five pounds. You've lost them as a patient is
They're like, yeah, I'm pretty happy. I don't think I
need the liposection. I don't think I need the tummy
tuck anymore. I'm pretty good with where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But you're doing such a nice thing for that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, that's because that's what you're supposed to do as
a doctor.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay. So back to the breast cancer, which I think
is so important. They were saying that the University of
Michigan ran a study and obese mice to see how
the drug affected breast tumors. So the mice law lost
twenty percent of their body weight and their breast tumors
shrank by twenty percent for women between forty eight to
fifty five. This matters because these are the years you
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gain weight more easily and your breast cancer risk begins
to climb.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Okay, you want to hear something really interesting, I do.
That's going on right now that you that I have
not told you yet I'm not aware of.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Do you want to see my profile again?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So the drug you want is Monjaro or zepp bound,
the same drug, and it's called trus appetite. Okay, that
works a thousand times better than ozampik or wrogovi, which
is that's the same drug, that's just a GLP one
trus appetite the better one zeb bounder mandarro is GLP
(30:56):
one and GIP two gut hormones. So you're not supposed
to if you're a pharmacy, you're not allowed to just
make these drugs. You're not allowed to compound them because.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Aren't you allowed to compound them if there's a shortage, right.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But there's no storge anymore. That's why they got away
with it in the beginning. But there's still you can
buy it online compounded, but you know, buyer beware because
you don't know it's it's a pharmacy that's compounding them illegally,
so you don't know what that car. You don't know
what they're putting in, you know, and whether you can
trust them and so on and so forth. But there's
a new drug that's in phase three clinical trials, almost
(31:30):
FDA approved if it does get FT approved, called reddititrue Tide.
Say that slowly red true reta reta r e t A.
I'll tell you why, because they're calling it rehtta online
retit true Tide. Okay, so you're repetide, maclutide, Reddit true tide.
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It's three drugs. It's three hormones. Oh, it's GLP, g
i P and glucagon receptors.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
It's three better than two.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
This is way better than munjari because it's you lose
much more weight, much more quickly, with less side effects.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What if you don't want to lose weight and you
just want the other benefit.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It has much better sugar control, much better for all
those inflammatory things associated with sugar. Red A true tide.
So what's going on right now is pharmacies online up
are mixing up reda truetide based on what they are hearing.
(32:31):
The chemical formulation is that's terrible. It's in clinical trials
by the FDA and selling it, and people are using it.
They call it, they call it REDTA. In fact, I
saw some guy on how the reason it's not done
with phase three clinical trials because they're not only testing
for efficacy, they're testing for safety with the FDA. So
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for all you know, it causes cancer or a third head.
This I had, A true tide supposedly, from what I've
seen from the FDA so far, is extraordinarily more effective
than even to zeppetide.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
But this is why we have the FDA, because they
do clinical trials and they make sure things are safe.
And honestly, even when those things first come out, don't
you want to wait a little bit, I let someone
else test it out. I mean, weren't golp ones around
for a very long time in years. Yeah, So it's
not like they were. Because I think the misconception about
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glp ones is that it's like this fad diet thing
that just came on the market, and because I hear
people saying that and that you have to be careful
because you don't know what the long term effects are.
But you actually do know. It's the long term effects.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
For almost two decades. I mean, we know. But what's
interesting is is this reditruetide obviously is going to be
super successful. Oh I saw this on Instagram. This guy goes, Hi,
I'm doctor so and so I'm an obesity specialist. And
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it says his name. It says doctor. Whenever you whenever
someone has on their their name, like I am wearing
scrubs right now, it says Terry debrou M d f ACS. Right,
Like if it says doctor, doctor Terry debrou you know
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
A real doctor.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Then how can they write doctor because you're he's a chiropractor.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
So is that a do o?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
No, no, no, no, de o is a real doctor in DC,
doctor of chiro chiropractic, a medical doctor, not a medical doctor.
So they didn't go to medical school. There was this
guy I see is on there. I'm doctor so and
so I'm an OBC medicine specialist. And then it says
d C. I'm going, dude, you're a chiropractor who's talking
about all these drugs how to take them, and you're
not even allowed to prescribe.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And so this guy that I saw yesterday, he goes
there's a new drug called red, a true tie where
he's talking all about it. He goes, if you want
more information, d m me and I'll give you more information.
He's obviously selling it illegally.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's terrible.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And I'm going, wow, oh okay, we have.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
To have a conversation everyone. This is the same conversation
I have with my children about drugs and alcohol. Cannot
buy things off the market. Want marijuana, you have to
go to a licensed, legal place. You want alcohol, you
do the same. You gotta watch your drinket bars cover
the top. And you don't buy medicines in a foreign
(35:29):
countries or from unlicensed people. You can only buy them
from pharmacies and doctors who have BORD certification.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, but let's not have a double standard here. Up
until about ten years ago, we all bought marijuana from
unlicensed people.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Times are different people.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And where did you get your kuludes?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
And I never never taken a kulud.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I took a kulud once, Yeah, was it? I took
a kaalude. He did do ecstasy though, Yes, we did
xCE twice twice one time.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It wasn't That's why we never did drugs.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yes, I took a kaylude.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I don't even really know what a quaylude is.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
It's roars. It was called roarer seventh.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That acid, no little organic like a mushroom.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, no, no, no. Quailude is a synthetic drug. It was
a It was a drug that was on the market
that was very popular that you could get it was legal.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, coludes were legal, so it was ecstasy actually was legal,
but not prescription.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Quayludes were a prescription drug on the market that any
doctor could prescribe.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It was the indication that they would prescribe a equala.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
It was like a mood level or you know, it's
like a valium kind of you got a valium. So
it was in high school. It was totally prescription.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
You know, all the moms were at home drinking a
glass of wine and having a cold.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It was made by that's right. It was made by
a company called Roarer and it was called Roar seven fourteen.
We used to wear a shirt that said Roarer seven fourteen, right,
And it was huge when I was in high school
and I took it once and I don't do well
with drugs, and I went to dinner and I like, yeah,
I hardly fell asleep in this hamburger. I laid, you know,
put my head on a hamburger, and my buddy goes, dude,
(37:11):
your head's on the hamburger. And I went on just
you know, And so I never took another klude. The
ecstasy was good. Ecstasy was really nice.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So when I was in medical school, U c l A.
There was a Good Earth Great Earth Vitamin place on
Earth like that goes to a restaurant. It was something
like that, And it was a store in Westwood Boulevard
that sold vitamins, and they sold ecstasy there because the people.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Used to use it in couple's therapy. It was like
the love drug.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Right, but this was even way before that, and it
was sold there and then people were taking and went,
oh my god, this is the greatest thing ever. And
then all of a sudden, the government discovered this is
a serious psychedelic drug, and they said, you have three
more months to sell that drug and then it's off
the market. So I remember, all medicines go, let's go
(38:06):
to greater bitamin get a itt. It wasn't called ecstasy
back then. It was before he was even called ecstasy MDMA. Yeah,
it was like that or something. Yeah. And then they
took it off the market, and I never took it till,
of course many years later, and someone gave it to
us and you and I took it. We had a
lot of fun on that. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
It was a good night.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah. But anyway, so this is like my favorite drug.
I've talked to pretty much. I saw like fifteen to
twenty new patients today. I must have talked to fourteen
of them about monjar on zepbounds.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, so let's talk to her. Who should be on
these drugs right now?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, so if you ask me as a physician, I'm
going to tell you somebody with a BMI greater than thirty,
who has one medical.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You said, it's not just for weight loss.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Right, But if you're asking me as a line I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You as an obit medicine expert.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Now, as a longevity specialist, I think anyone interested in
living their longest, healthiest life and reducing diseases that are
associated with inflammation should probably be microdosing.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Because what's so crazy? And I remember being younger and
talking about you know, you know, dieting and all that
kind of stuff, and it was about just calories and
calories out right. But we you know, but sugar is
the root of all the evil, that is the inflammation.
So managing sugar is managing inflammation. And that's what this
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drug does. That's why it's good for your brain and
good for your heart.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Here's the problem to microdose it. You're not going to
be able to get a prescription for zep bound and
do what a physician or a nurse can do, which
is put it in syringes and dilute it. Yet although
I was shocked the other day. So I'm at home
diluting it up like this, and then I go, I
wonder if people on YouTube know about this? And I
(40:04):
went on YouTube and I wrote diluting because here's a
little here's a little secret. Okay. The starting dose of
monjarro is two point five milligrams, So what's microdose? Okay,
So the starting dose is two point five milligrams, Then
you do that for four weeks. You go to five
milligrams for four weeks, then you can do that. You
(40:24):
go to seven point five up to ten, twelve fifteen
if you're a diabetic, If you're a diabetic, or if
you are if you're not as much of a responder
as other people are, okay, because everybody will have different response. So,
as it turns out, to get a month's supply of
two point five milligrams of monjaro is if you don't
(40:45):
have a coupon or a discount, or your yours company's
not paying, it's about twelve hundred to fourteen hundred dollars.
You don't have a group on, it's about fourteen hundred dollars. Yeah,
fifteen milligram monjarro is also fourteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
That's where you save.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
So you buy the fifteen milligram, you dilute it down
to two point five to you get six per fifteen
and now instead of costing fourteen hundred bucks a month,
it's like two hundred.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Bucks saving money wherever he goes.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Well, here's the problem. It's really wonderful for someone like
me and you talk about microdosing, But what does that
mean to me? To the person who's not a physician,
it doesn't have any meaning. Even when physicians are talking
to each other, Well, what does microdosing mean to you? Okay,
So it depends on the person. It's the starting dose
is two point five milligrams? Are you talking about one
(41:39):
point twenty five? Are you talking about point oh six?
Two five?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
What are you talking about? How are you making how
are you making it? Where are you getting it? So
it's really cute for someone like me to say everyone
should be microdosing, but no one knows how to get
it and microdose it.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Maybe that's the next step.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So I was interviewed on Fox News the other day. Yeah,
and they did this really great interview about Terry de
Brow things everybody should be microdosing. Yeah, And then they
did this long article of me making all these salient
points about why it's so good controlling sugar and inflammation,
and then right before the end they interviewed the spokesman
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for the drug company who makes this stuff, and they go, no, no, no,
there is no medical indication for microdosing has not been tested.
We do not recommend you do that pop up and
I went, oh, right, right, I forgot. Of course they're
going to say that, right, but it's you know, it's
an off label use, which is legal off label use
(42:38):
for a drug, but the drug company doesn't want you
to do it because they don't sell it that way,
and that's going to encourage you to go to a
compounding pharmacy to get it.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Okay, So it seems like everyone eventually might end up
being on some smaller dose of this drug. We have
to wrap up soon. But I am just curious because
I have all also read things about this drug maybe
being available in other forms other than needles. Now I
(43:07):
mean needles. Some people don't like shots. You have to
refrigerate it, so probably hard to travel with. Right, What
do you think the likelihood is or the efficacy is
in a pill or we'll be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, they're testing it now. But you know this oral
ozempic called ribelsis, it's not very effective. No, no, So
it's just not there yet. But clearly it'll be a pill.
It'll be like met form. You know people take met
form in franti for yeah, for anti aging. It's going
to be the new met form.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
All right, then I'll switch.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
But it's not there yet. It won't be there for
a while, but not yet. No. So at the end
of the takeo messages. Even though if someone like me
is telling you to microdose it, I'm really not giving
you enough information to make it practical. What does that mean? Microdoes?
Where do I get it? How do I get microdoses
of it?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
And who really knows what microdos is? Because a microdose
for you your height and weight might be different than
a micro dose for someone like me.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It's it's that's why I said, That's why I say
share your information with everyone. We're trying to figure it
out as physicians, as you're trying to figure it out
as patients.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
But I mean, how exciting that there is drug that
is being looked at so carefully that can control sugar
inflammation and possibly stave off or maybe even you know,
cure dementia.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, and we don't have enough time right now. But
one thing is we didn't talk about is Aliday the
ozembic face ocmpic vulva, of zempic, this ozempic, that ozmpic vulva.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I mean, now I'm on the edge of my seat. Yes,
all right, well next time, next time, next time. Ozempic vulva.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
We were talking.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
We were talking about not ozembic volva, but we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
This last night. Well what was it called.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I was telling you that I was looking in the
side view of the mirror at the late's and that
I thought I looked like it was sticking out.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
You've never heard of ozmpic vulva.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
No, but I don't take ozempic, so I don't have
ozmpic vulcan. But wait, ozempic vulva would make it flabby. Yes,
I'm saying I have the opposite. I got a fat vulva.
That was my point, you have fat vulva. I said
this to you last night, and you went, Heather, It's
called the mound because it's a mound, It's.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Called the mons pubis because because it just means it's
supposed to be bulgy, right.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Like it's like we didn't no, no no.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
By the way, ozempic vulva is a thing, but that's flat. Yes, yeah,
zip vulva. So don't rush in to have a volva
plasty anytime.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Soon because it bounces back. It might bounce back and
then you're gonna have a moundy moans.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Although if you end up having ozembic vulva, I am
offering a fifty percent off. You're just going to do
half a list all this month on vulva plastics, So
come get yours now before we book up waiting.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
But now you're just saying something about just a little
something about ozebic face. Yeah, so because I think people
I think the misunderstanding is that people are saying that
being on a golp one makes your face fault. But
that's not true. Way rapid rapid weight loss makes your
face ball, but then it bounces bed does it redistributes?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I mean, most people who lose weight very very very
quickly losing their face first.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Unfortunately. It's like when you have a baby.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, but then after a while it's sort of redistributes,
don't rush right into a dermatolis plus surgeon and have
expensive procedures and leave your volvo alone. And remember up
to seventy percent of people, unfortunately, who will go on
these drugs and lose the weight ultimately regain the weight.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
But that's why if you were microdosing it, maybe just down.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
You have to figure it out. You have to figure
out what kind of responder you are, because maybe twenty
percent don't respond at.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
All, right, and then of the people get very sick,
and then.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Of the eighty well that goes pretty much goes away
a lot most of the time. But of the eighty
percent who do respond, some of them are super responders,
like I am two point five milligrams, just does it
for me, you know, and others need to get into
some need to go higher. And you have to figure
out what your maintenance.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Does is going to be Yeah, all right, there you
have it. Friends, Well, that was very informative.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, and has a lot of drugs. Go to a
zempic volva. We covered it all.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
We did. I feel really good about it me too,
Thanks you all for being here.
I'm Heather Dubrow and I'm Ru.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And we're going to keep this between us, but not really.
Can I tell you something, yes, before we get started.
I know this is an audio platform, but I got
this in the mail today. I'm really excited about it,
so I'm just going to show it to you. So
we were at this Louis Bouton fashion show. Would you
were such a good sport about? By the way, thank you,
(00:32):
love you. It was my date and we saw the
fashion show. Jennifer Tilly was there.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, very nice.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Wait time, my friend Yvana AnyWho. They had this person.
So when I throw parties, I like to always find
the sort of equivalent of balloon twisters and bouncy houses
but for adults. Right, So you know I've done weed
bars and ear seating, haikus whatever. But they had at
this fashion show, they had a gal sitting there and
(00:59):
she took a picture of your profile and then cut
out your profile. I've seen them do this at Disneyland,
but I've never had it done before.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And you know what I especially like about it?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You look so young.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
She gave me like a full necklift.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I love her and I'd like to hire her.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And I'd like her to do what to yourlift?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes, if she's this good with a scissor, come on, man, I.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Think she put a chin implant into those A problem
she did.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It looks like do I have a weak chin?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Look at me?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Maybe does it not look like me?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean it looks let me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Someone told me you put your tongue on the roof
in your molve, right and that sucks your Yes, maybe
this is me with a neck tape.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Neck tape.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, you know they have that necktape that you put
on the back of your neck and it holds your
neck back, like as if you've had a necklift. I
saw some do that on a set ones with duct tape.
It was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
We know someone a celebrity does who used to do that?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
A lot celebrity gave it to me. I know I
cannot see who. Anyway, I love my profile shot. Very excited,
very good.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. That was a That was a really great event
for me. I could feel my credit card burning up
in my wall as we were sitting there. I mean,
I just you know, it's amazing. It's like Louis Vauton,
Chanelle Dior, Mez.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Trada, they're like.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Drugs. You guys are like addicted to them.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It's the weirdest thing. I always walk in and I go,
if there's like a Chanelle dress or something, I cover
up the seas. I go two hundred dollars. Then I
put my hand down and expose the seas eighteen thousand dollars.
It's so true, two hundred eighteen.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, you're not someone that likes things, and certainly not
these days. But you know, guys, many guys of your
status would like like watches or cars or you know,
things like that. So women like shiny things. What can
I tell you? Pretty things, shiny things. But I also
just like fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah. I mean, as I've said before, an incredibly unfortunate
thing happened to me. The more successful I got, less
interested I got in the things that success allows you
to have access.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
To just means there's more cash for me.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, it's true, but it's kind of like an ironic joke. Now,
you try hard for you lose interest in once you
get it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We just got the directive for the reunion. So for
the reunion, you know, it needs to be a cohesive
look because there's eight of us sitting on a set,
and they design the set a certain way, and you know,
like the set was purple. You don't want everyone wearing orange,
right know, you want everyone to look nice and cohesive.
So they send us like a mood board. H okay,
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And I just ordered a bunch of dresses from Amazon.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
From Amazon, Well, when did Chanelle start selling an Amazon don't?
How much is an Amazon dress?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This is what bothers me about the reunion dress is
that that is literally one of those dresses you only
wear once. Why because first of all, you're sitting in
it for like twelve hours. It's a really long day.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, this is a diaper. I mean, you can wear
it again.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Some of them I still have. Yeah, Well listen, so
people don't wear things again. Some people just wear them
one time, like if they wear it on a red
carpet or you know, at the reunion or a special
event like that, they don't wear them go an ie.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Why.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I don't know, because I think some people some people
believe once it's photographed, it's done. I actually, how ridiculous.
Clothes aren't disposable, and I definitely repeat outfits. I mean,
if Princess Kate can repeat outfits, I think we all.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Can a three minute appearance on red carpet means you
can't ever wear it again.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, I know you don't.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I wear my things over and over. But here's the thing,
here's why I shopped at Amazon. I love fashion, I
really do. But I like to buy what I want
to buy, not what I need to buy to meet
This feels like, oh, you know, something that I have
to be in a certain color palette, or something which
might not be something typically that I would wear. So
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I just don't want to spend a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
On that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And by the way, there's beautifully made dresses. I also
I went to this other company I went to. I
ordered some things on Amazon, and then I went to
this other company that I really like, and they have
very reasonably priced dresses. They're like two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So the Amazon dresses you're ordering are two hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
One was eighty five. I did this last year too.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You are going to wear an eighty five dollars US
on the reunion.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Last year for the reunion I bought it was down
to two dresses. One was a seventy five dollars Amazon
dress and the other one, which is the one I wore,
I think was three hundred dollars. Really, shoes are another story, yes,
and the shoes.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Jewelry, well, the jewelry.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I know. I was going to say I owned I
borrowed my earrings from Martin Katz and thought you were
going to buy them afterwards, but I apparently did not.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh really, No, I'm not sure I remember that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Oh I'm glad I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Maybe that was the year before when I was right now,
I don't think that happened. No, that was two years ago. Yes,
I was wearing the black dress. They were diamond slice earrings,
and they are now on the wife of Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well, you know, you know what's I've found. You know,
I don't want to talk about housewives, I'm you know,
but it's amazing me how recently how many A list
celebrities are now huge fans of housewives.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Do you think it's been going on for quite some time?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yes, but I mean like on the Emmys, Sean Oliver
talked about housewives and Stiller and Stiller talked about housewives. Boy,
it's really becoming sort of you know, elevated. Yes, yeah,
if that's at all possible, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Crazy, Yes, So let's see what I'm gonna wear. We'll
see how it turns out. There is this article It
says the pill that women are taking for everything from
speeches to first dates.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh I love this. Okay, so greatest pill ever.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We're talking about pro panel all. It's a beta blocker.
First of all, it's just sort of in basic terms,
and then I want us to tell our propanel all stories.
But in basic terms, can you explain to everyone what
a beta blocker is.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So in the body, in the heart and in the
blood vessels, there are these receptors for epinephrine and nora
ephron and other things called beta receptors. There's alpha a
greenergic receptors and they're beta receptors and they are involved
with the fight or flight response typically, and so like
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when you get scared, the alpha receptors are sensitive to
have an ephorn that you make and your blood pressure
goes up, your pulse goes up, and you are able
to do things related to you know, focus and anxiety
and things like that. The opposite receptors that slow down
your heart and lower your blood pressure are called beta receptors,
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and they're both in the blood vessels and in the heart.
And the drug these drugs are as old as medicine itself.
They're called beta blockers, and propenelol is the most common
of the beta blockers, and when you take them, you
typically take them. The medical indications generally for beta blockers
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are high blood pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Right, So that's what I always I never knew, and
we're going to talk about this, but I never knew
that beta blockers were used for all these other things
because I grew up with family members at high blood pressure.
So to me, beta blocker meant high blood pressure, right,
a medical problem, that's.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, Yeah, yeah, And I mean one of the first
things that put you on it if you think you're
having a heart attacks, they want to slow down your
heart rate and slow down any activity or tension on
the heart is they put you on a beta blocker
and it just slows everything down. Now, it doesn't work centrally,
it doesn't work in your brain. It doesn't make you
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sedated in any kind of a way.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Right, there's no effects like that. There's no altering effects.
It's not like taking a valium or it's some kind
of benzodiazepine exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It doesn't mood alter.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Right, So you're not funky, you don't feel weird. You
could drive your car. It's not like that, which is good.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yes. So it's long been known and I've known about
it forever that a beta blocker is very good for
people who have difficulty with things like public.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Speaking, yeah, giving speeches.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, or if you're going to engage in activity where
you really don't want to have butterflies, you want to
be very very calm. Isn't really the right word because
it doesn't calm your mood, but it just it's for me.
You know, how you feel when you study for a
test versus how you take how you feel when you're
taking the test.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
This is not a good analogy from waw no.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
But when you're studying for the test, you're not nervous, okay,
because there's nothing on the line. Would when you're when
you're taking the test. Let's you're studying for a test
two months before the example, and you're sitting down just
reading some information. They're fine, what, you're fine, You're fine
that versus going in, walking in the room with your pencil,
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sitting down, they pass out the test. Performance anxiety completely
gets rid of all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, performance anxiety is an interesting way to couch it
because you but an athlete wouldn't take.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This, No, well, athletes an it's a banned substance. Oh yeah, Now,
an athlete who depends upon elevated heart rate would not
want to take it. But in the Olympics you're not
allowed to take it for any of those sports where,
for example, that those shooting sports or bow and arrow
that kind of stuff absolutely can't take any beta blocker.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Because it would just calm everything down.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's the most amazing drug. And I'll tell you the
first time, very briefly that I took it. Okay, I
was learning how to do microsurgery in the Plastic Surery
program at UCLA.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Is that like through the little microscope thing.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean, you're sewing together blood vessels and nerves smaller
than your hair, than the hairs on your head, okay,
and you have to sew them together so perfectly the
blood vessels otherwise blood won't flow through them right, so
they have to be completely open and paytent Well, you
spend a week in a laboratory with a doing kind
of microsurgery before they'll let you out on patients with
the professors on rats, learning how to connect various super small,
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tiny blood vessels under a microscope. And then you get
to rotate on the professor the Chairman's service, where you're
going to do your first microscopic surgery with him. And
this was a guy when I was at Ucile who
wrote the book called Microsurgery Terrifying, Terrifying, And everybody tells
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you he's going to set up the case, he's going
to set up the blood vessel, and he's going to
hand you the instrument with the super small suiture that
you can barely see with your eyes, okay, with the
tiniest needle, and he's going to allow you to throw
the first stitch. And if you don't throw the stitch accurately,
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or you move too much, you shake too much, he's
not going to let you do anything for the next
three months. You're just going to watch him up right,
And it's very very terrifying. Right. So I took the
micro course. I did really well, but then I knew
the next day I was going to this really difficult
microsurgery with doctor Shaw. William Shaw, the chairman of the
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program and the author of Microsurgery, the textbook, and so
every time, don't f it up, don't shake too much,
don't move around, you better accurately throw this. And so
I'm That morning, I woke up and I took sixty
milligrams of pro paneloul.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It was prescription back then too.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's always prescription. Yeah, it's a heart medication. And by
the time I got to the hospital, I was like feeling.
In other words, I was like, how you feel you're doing.
In the first case with doctor Shaw, everybody's kind of
make you scared of go, yeah, I'm good, good, you know,
and no butterflies nothing. I get in there. He hands
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me here. It is the moment they've all talked about.
He hands me the instrument with the tiny little microscopic
stitch on it, and I go in, out out, and
then I go and I tie it off with no shake,
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no extra movements at all, and he and then I
handed back to him because he was going to do
the next one. And he goes to me, no shake,
and I go, because I'm an idiot, and I go, no,
but I've got burger fries.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I'm sure he loved you.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
He didn't laugh at all.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
No, I'm sure not at all.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He had, by the way he wrote, he has zero
sense of humor. But it was awesome. And so from
then on, anytime I had to do, like take a
test that I was really nervous about, or I had
to give a speech. I mean, probably the first ten
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times I had to sit in the chair to do
botched when they go okay, So Paul walks in and
it looks at you, and then what do you say?
You know, I'm nervous. You know I would take an
intero all really, yeah, INTEROOLL and propenal all the same.
Intero all is the trade name, you know. And so
I still occasionally do it. And now it's become it
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took all these years later.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
For it to become so popular.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's extraordinarily popular. And you've been using it. Well, this
is what turns you on to it?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Me? No, doctor abram said, So this is what happened.
So a few years ago, maybe four or five years ago,
I was getting PVCs, right, which is like an extra beat, right.
I was getting these PVCs, and we have this concierge
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cardiologist named doctor Abramson. I don't have any issues, but
I just go prophylactically. Just want to make sure everything's
part And he's so sweet, and we just posted that
we were just there and did our stress test and
all the things. Anyway, so I was having these PVCs
and he's so sweet, and he met me, remember at Starbucks,
met me at Starbucks and we saturated. He goes, what's
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going on with you? And I was kind of stressed
about this, about that, whatever, the kids, this, that, and
so he suggested that I start we are never I
was getting them that I start taking pro panelol. And
he gave me like this baby dose of pro panelol.
And what I realized was I took it a couple
of times at the end of the day, and I
found that I slept so well well after I took it. Now,
(16:48):
it doesn't make you tired, it doesn't put you to sleep.
It's got no psychoactive properties. You don't feel buzzed. It's
nothing like that. But for some reason it helps us sleep.
And you know, I'm really sensit. I mean, I can
drink the caws come home, but if you give me
a chip of an ambient, I'll be asleep for two weeks.
So I can't take any of those sleep aids, and
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so this to me was genius. And when I asked
doctor Abramson about it, he said he has a lot
of patients that use it for exactly that, because it
doesn't make you tired, but it basically just calms the
heart and allows you to sleep. So I love it. Now,
what's interesting for me is that I would never take
it for those reasons. I thrive on the butterflies and
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the energy of right before I'm going out on stage,
right before I'm going to speak in public, right before
I'm on a set. Any of that. I It's like
it's a rush and thrill, and there's a combination for
me of that adrenaline and excitement and butterflies and creativity
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that make me who I am when I do things
like that. So for me, it wouldn't work. But man,
when I read this article and I started reading, I
knew people took it for public speaking. And I get
that because if that's not your regular gig or you know,
if you have you know, you want to be very
clear and calm. I understand that, But man, people are
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taking it at their weddings and at all these sort
of high pressure of it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No it's amazing. There are a couple things about it,
a couple sort of things to consider, but you're right,
has no psychoactive properties. It is a prescription. You have
to ask your doctor to give it for you. But
if you can't exercise on it, your heart rate won't
I do Yeah, but if you want to do cardio,
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your heart rate won't go above ninety. So you sit
here and you punk out because your heart rate, you
want the blood flow won't keep up with the demand
the muscular the blood flow demand of your muscles.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, what's the half life?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think it's about three hours, so you can take
it in the morning, work out in the afternoon. For me,
I really don't do well with cardio when I've been
on it at all. It does make me a little
bit tired, really, yeah, because my heart.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
How many milligrams do you take?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I take, well, I'm always a little tired. Name, but
it takes me, you know, I take like forty to
sixty milligram.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But it's funny because it now has finally been discovered
socially as the you know, actors are talking about. As
I said, and it's the greatest anti anxiety drug. Starter
drug right, because it's there's virtually no side effects, no
side effects, non addictive.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That's what I was going to say, is it's not
addicting right now.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But I will tell you so you know, I I
studied for a year for the American Board of Obesity
Medicine Certification exam.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Right because he passed and I passed with ninety four.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And Jillian Michael's and I got into it about the
GLP ones, which we're going to talk about. I think
she said they're terrible. I said they're great. And I said,
you don't know what you're talking about. And we're fighting
on TMZ and blah blah blah. And I thought, Okay,
I better take this example. Because I'm just a plastic surgeon.
I better be of an OBC medicine expert if I'm going
to talk about OBEC as a disease. And I took
it for the exam.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh a lot of people take it for exams.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And I sat there and going, God, thank God for
this drug, because I took the exam as if I
was taking a practice test.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
But I will tell you and the reason I'm bringing
up the American Board of OBC Medicine certification exam is
that certain drugs are were called obesogenic.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Ob So that's a word. Yeah, obiesogenic? What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Cause obesity? And you know a lot of the psycho,
a lot of the antiper panel of the depressant antidepressants,
as you know, are obesogenic, right.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Like a lot of people that are on zoloft and
whatever they gain weight.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yes, yes, so I never told you this because but
pro penel also obesogenic.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
But the way I think I'm doing okay, but the
way someone told me to eat a cheeseburger, the way.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You take it, first of all, rude. The starter dose
really for someone like you is ten milligrams. That's like
a nothing though, Okay, can.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You imagine if I didn't dig it? Pople'd be wayfer them?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
People take one hundred and twenty milligrams twice a day?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Really, Oh, I take like twenty.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
By the way, there's other beta block there's many, many
beta blockers. Per penal all is kind of like the
starter one. But there's beta blockers that have a half
life for twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That's great. Well, this is apparently the fastest growing pill here.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Is Yeah, and it's great because it's the safest, no
addiction potential, literally no side effect except for what it
would do for you cardio or cardio. And I remember
reading a study or reading an interview with a cardiologist
like twenty years ago, and he said, what would you
recommend people take to prevent to live long and prevent
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heart attacks in the long run? He said, I think
every but he should be on a low dose of panelol.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Really, yeah, because it makes the heart.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It just it just chills the heartouse.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You don't over you don't overwork.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Your heart just goes from here. Here.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You have some blood, some oxygen, and you can drink alcohol.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Have a little more.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Clearly if I'm the test case, you can drink alcohol.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah. No, it doesn't really interact with the only.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Because that would be a game game changer.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You don't want to take any of your asthmatic I
forgot to say that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Why is that? Because it's contraindication.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
The beta receptors in the lung don't open up the lung,
the blood the lungs.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Okay, if you're asthmatic, do not take that.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Don't take if you always.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Ask your doctor.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But it's the greatest drug ever. Recommend it highly and Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So this is an interesting segue, but because we are
going to talk about GP ones. Why it's interesting for
me is that I grew up in a household. I
don't know if I've ever asked you this about your house,
but in the household that I grew up in, no
one took anything you weren't allowed to, Like God forbid,
if someone was depressive, there was no medication because God forbid,
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people would think you were on a depression medication, like
anyone would know.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
There was a stigma, I guess, is what I'm trying
to say. There was a stigma to taking things work
it out a different way. But there's all these beautiful
drugs that do work, that have been around for a
million years and have been tested for a long time.
Though you know you're not going to find out in
two months cause your you know, eyeballs to turn yellow
or something like that. So I love that. There's the
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I mean for me personally, like hormone replacement therapy, I
love that. I love pro PANELOL. I think it's amazing.
I don't take it for the same reason other people do,
but I love the way I do it. So now
let's segue this to GLP once because are so many
articles right now. And I'll tell you what's catching my eye,
because I don't need to lose weight. But what's catching
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my eye obviously lately is there's so many conversations about
brain function that it's helping with brain function. But these
are the new studies. There's a study from the University
of Michigan that found that trizeppetide slashes breast cancer by
twenty percent. For me with dense breast tissue, my risk
factor went up because I have family members that had
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breast cancer, because I'm a certain age all those things.
That was very interesting to me is the concept of microdosing.
And our little friend Andy Cohen just came out. Remember
we just saw him like a month ago. I'm like,
you look so good. I thought it was because he
was dating somewhat. Now it's because he's microdosing.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Man, Genero, Okay, I'm gonna call bs on Andy Cohen.
I'm gonna tell you why on which part the microdosing. Okay,
he's calling it micro dosing because he doesn't want to
fully commit and admit to being on ozembic.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
This is like people saying I got a mini.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Lift, so I didn't really I had a little work done.
I'm really not on ozambic, but I'm micro dosing, so
it sounds better. It sounds better. But how is he microdosing?
How is he microdosing these drugs?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well? How do you micro dose?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Well, I mean if you're a shot, right, yes, if
you're me, you you you go to your office, You
get syringes and you put a dose, a regular dose
into a syringe and you dilute it out, and then
you distribute that diluted dose into small syringes. You have
micro doses. How is Andy Cohen microdosing?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
A start to do for him?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What doctors are? First of all, I don't know any
obviously really prescribe you microdosing. I just think it's it's
and I'm not ragging on him obviously, but he looks.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So good way by the way, Andy, I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Look at him and I go, I hate you because
you've got he's got very very good hair, and he's
gotten better looking, and he looks so I hate him.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
The young the kids keep you young at that age.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, No, he looks really really good. They're amazing for
many things besides obesity. They actually have clinical indications, meaning
there you can be you can prescribe them. For if
you've had a heart attack, you go on them. If
you have fatty liver disease, you go on them. Okay
you're diabetic. If you're diabetic, clearly go on them. If
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for clearly, they don't have an indications yet for schizophrenia,
but they're going to very soon.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They're saying that the studies are showing they're currently approved
for treating obesity, yes, type two diabetes, secondary prevention of
cardiovascular disease, metabolic associated fatty liver disease. That's why I said, right,
chronic kidney disease and patients with diabetes, and sleep happening.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Sleep happen, of course, because that's primarily.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Do you know what's interesting now that you're saying this
sleep appiens? Yes, I do interesting, And I think when
you go off of it it comes back.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, well, I go off of it so we can
go on vacation and I can eat at you know, liberally,
and get fat, and they come back. I'm fat. I
can't breathe again when I'm sleeping.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And also they're saying the drug, the golp ones have
shown notable promise in areas such as we've heard this
addiction is our friend Nancy Davis. Yeah, it has an
organization to help fight addiction, so we know from those
doctors and the improvement of neurological conditions like all times.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, well it's obvious it's all about sugar.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, decrease visceral and imposity
which is fat. Yeah, and they also significantly improve patient's
quality of life. I think the reason why people are
talking about microdosing is because they're saying that many people
have less side effects when they take smaller.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
If you do have less sert effects, you take smaller amounts,
but let's be honest, have less of an effect for
you to take smaller amounts. If you truly micro dose,
you won't lose any weight.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So I could micro dose not lose any weight and
get all those benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yes, Because it's all about making more insulin sensitive, making
decreasing the peak of sugar in your blood. It may
have direct, even direct effects apart from sugar on the
brain anyway, So it's the greatest drug. I think everybody,
I really believe virtually everyone over the age of sort
(28:33):
of thirty or forty should be on some low dose
golp one.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, So in our few short weeks together between us,
we've decided we all need to be on GLD on
was per panel and creatine.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
There it is no question about that. Yeah, And I
love it. I'm obsessed with it. Prescribe it to my
patients now that I'm board certified in it. So and
I think I think plastic surgeons should read up on it.
And a lot of plastic surgeons will do surgery on
obese individuals when it's better that they lose weight first. Okay.
(29:17):
And you know, if you walk into a plastic surgeon's
office in Beverly Hills, you're a pre op. They want
to operate on you no matter what. That's my opinion. Okay,
that's what I've seen. And patient walks in and they
want a tummy tuck for me, and they need to
lose weight, and I'll have a better result, in a
safer outcome.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You put them on.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I put them on these drugs, and I said, I said,
come back when you've lost twenty five pounds. And by
the way, there's a very high chance that they lose
twenty five pounds. You've lost them as a patient is
They're like, yeah, I'm pretty happy. I don't think I
need the liposection. I don't think I need the tummy
tuck anymore. I'm pretty good with where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But you're doing such a nice thing for that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, that's because that's what you're supposed to do as
a doctor.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay. So back to the breast cancer, which I think
is so important. They were saying that the University of
Michigan ran a study and obese mice to see how
the drug affected breast tumors. So the mice law lost
twenty percent of their body weight and their breast tumors
shrank by twenty percent for women between forty eight to
fifty five. This matters because these are the years you
(30:21):
gain weight more easily and your breast cancer risk begins
to climb.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Okay, you want to hear something really interesting, I do.
That's going on right now that you that I have
not told you yet I'm not aware of.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Do you want to see my profile again?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So the drug you want is Monjaro or zepp bound,
the same drug, and it's called trus appetite. Okay, that
works a thousand times better than ozampik or wrogovi, which
is that's the same drug, that's just a GLP one
trus appetite the better one zeb bounder mandarro is GLP
(30:56):
one and GIP two gut hormones. So you're not supposed
to if you're a pharmacy, you're not allowed to just
make these drugs. You're not allowed to compound them because.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Aren't you allowed to compound them if there's a shortage, right.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But there's no storge anymore. That's why they got away
with it in the beginning. But there's still you can
buy it online compounded, but you know, buyer beware because
you don't know it's it's a pharmacy that's compounding them illegally,
so you don't know what that car. You don't know
what they're putting in, you know, and whether you can
trust them and so on and so forth. But there's
a new drug that's in phase three clinical trials, almost
(31:30):
FDA approved if it does get FT approved, called reddititrue Tide.
Say that slowly red true reta reta r e t A.
I'll tell you why, because they're calling it rehtta online
retit true Tide. Okay, so you're repetide, maclutide, Reddit true tide.
(31:51):
It's three drugs. It's three hormones. Oh, it's GLP, g
i P and glucagon receptors.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
It's three better than two.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
This is way better than munjari because it's you lose
much more weight, much more quickly, with less side effects.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What if you don't want to lose weight and you
just want the other benefit.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It has much better sugar control, much better for all
those inflammatory things associated with sugar. Red A true tide.
So what's going on right now is pharmacies online up
are mixing up reda truetide based on what they are hearing.
(32:31):
The chemical formulation is that's terrible. It's in clinical trials
by the FDA and selling it, and people are using it.
They call it, they call it REDTA. In fact, I
saw some guy on how the reason it's not done
with phase three clinical trials because they're not only testing
for efficacy, they're testing for safety with the FDA. So
(32:55):
for all you know, it causes cancer or a third head.
This I had, A true tide supposedly, from what I've
seen from the FDA so far, is extraordinarily more effective
than even to zeppetide.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
But this is why we have the FDA, because they
do clinical trials and they make sure things are safe.
And honestly, even when those things first come out, don't
you want to wait a little bit, I let someone
else test it out. I mean, weren't golp ones around
for a very long time in years. Yeah, So it's
not like they were. Because I think the misconception about
(33:30):
glp ones is that it's like this fad diet thing
that just came on the market, and because I hear
people saying that and that you have to be careful
because you don't know what the long term effects are.
But you actually do know. It's the long term effects.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
For almost two decades. I mean, we know. But what's
interesting is is this reditruetide obviously is going to be
super successful. Oh I saw this on Instagram. This guy goes, Hi,
I'm doctor so and so I'm an obesity specialist. And
(34:06):
it says his name. It says doctor. Whenever you whenever
someone has on their their name, like I am wearing
scrubs right now, it says Terry debrou M d f ACS. Right,
Like if it says doctor, doctor Terry debrou you know
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
A real doctor.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Then how can they write doctor because you're he's a chiropractor.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
So is that a do o?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
No, no, no, no, de o is a real doctor in DC,
doctor of chiro chiropractic, a medical doctor, not a medical doctor.
So they didn't go to medical school. There was this
guy I see is on there. I'm doctor so and
so I'm an OBC medicine specialist. And then it says
d C. I'm going, dude, you're a chiropractor who's talking
about all these drugs how to take them, and you're
not even allowed to prescribe.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And so this guy that I saw yesterday, he goes
there's a new drug called red, a true tie where
he's talking all about it. He goes, if you want
more information, d m me and I'll give you more information.
He's obviously selling it illegally.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's terrible.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And I'm going, wow, oh okay, we have.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
To have a conversation everyone. This is the same conversation
I have with my children about drugs and alcohol. Cannot
buy things off the market. Want marijuana, you have to
go to a licensed, legal place. You want alcohol, you
do the same. You gotta watch your drinket bars cover
the top. And you don't buy medicines in a foreign
(35:29):
countries or from unlicensed people. You can only buy them
from pharmacies and doctors who have BORD certification.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, but let's not have a double standard here. Up
until about ten years ago, we all bought marijuana from
unlicensed people.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Times are different people.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And where did you get your kuludes?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
And I never never taken a kulud.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I took a kulud once, Yeah, was it? I took
a kaalude. He did do ecstasy though, Yes, we did
xCE twice twice one time.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It wasn't That's why we never did drugs.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yes, I took a kaylude.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I don't even really know what a quaylude is.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
It's roars. It was called roarer seventh.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That acid, no little organic like a mushroom.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, no, no, no. Quailude is a synthetic drug. It was
a It was a drug that was on the market
that was very popular that you could get it was legal.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, coludes were legal, so it was ecstasy actually was legal,
but not prescription.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Quayludes were a prescription drug on the market that any
doctor could prescribe.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It was the indication that they would prescribe a equala.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
It was like a mood level or you know, it's
like a valium kind of you got a valium. So
it was in high school. It was totally prescription.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
You know, all the moms were at home drinking a
glass of wine and having a cold.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It was made by that's right. It was made by
a company called Roarer and it was called Roar seven fourteen.
We used to wear a shirt that said Roarer seven fourteen, right,
And it was huge when I was in high school
and I took it once and I don't do well
with drugs, and I went to dinner and I like, yeah,
I hardly fell asleep in this hamburger. I laid, you know,
put my head on a hamburger, and my buddy goes, dude,
(37:11):
your head's on the hamburger. And I went on just
you know, And so I never took another klude. The
ecstasy was good. Ecstasy was really nice.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So when I was in medical school, U c l A.
There was a Good Earth Great Earth Vitamin place on
Earth like that goes to a restaurant. It was something
like that, And it was a store in Westwood Boulevard
that sold vitamins, and they sold ecstasy there because the people.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Used to use it in couple's therapy. It was like
the love drug.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Right, but this was even way before that, and it
was sold there and then people were taking and went,
oh my god, this is the greatest thing ever. And
then all of a sudden, the government discovered this is
a serious psychedelic drug, and they said, you have three
more months to sell that drug and then it's off
the market. So I remember, all medicines go, let's go
(38:06):
to greater bitamin get a itt. It wasn't called ecstasy
back then. It was before he was even called ecstasy MDMA. Yeah,
it was like that or something. Yeah. And then they
took it off the market, and I never took it till,
of course many years later, and someone gave it to
us and you and I took it. We had a
lot of fun on that. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
It was a good night.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah. But anyway, so this is like my favorite drug.
I've talked to pretty much. I saw like fifteen to
twenty new patients today. I must have talked to fourteen
of them about monjar on zepbounds.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, so let's talk to her. Who should be on
these drugs right now?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, so if you ask me as a physician, I'm
going to tell you somebody with a BMI greater than thirty,
who has one medical.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You said, it's not just for weight loss.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Right, But if you're asking me as a line I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You as an obit medicine expert.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Now, as a longevity specialist, I think anyone interested in
living their longest, healthiest life and reducing diseases that are
associated with inflammation should probably be microdosing.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Because what's so crazy? And I remember being younger and
talking about you know, you know, dieting and all that
kind of stuff, and it was about just calories and
calories out right. But we you know, but sugar is
the root of all the evil, that is the inflammation.
So managing sugar is managing inflammation. And that's what this
(39:38):
drug does. That's why it's good for your brain and
good for your heart.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Here's the problem to microdose it. You're not going to
be able to get a prescription for zep bound and
do what a physician or a nurse can do, which
is put it in syringes and dilute it. Yet although
I was shocked the other day. So I'm at home
diluting it up like this, and then I go, I
wonder if people on YouTube know about this? And I
(40:04):
went on YouTube and I wrote diluting because here's a
little here's a little secret. Okay. The starting dose of
monjarro is two point five milligrams, So what's microdose? Okay,
So the starting dose is two point five milligrams, Then
you do that for four weeks. You go to five
milligrams for four weeks, then you can do that. You
(40:24):
go to seven point five up to ten, twelve fifteen
if you're a diabetic, If you're a diabetic, or if
you are if you're not as much of a responder
as other people are, okay, because everybody will have different response. So,
as it turns out, to get a month's supply of
two point five milligrams of monjaro is if you don't
(40:45):
have a coupon or a discount, or your yours company's
not paying, it's about twelve hundred to fourteen hundred dollars.
You don't have a group on, it's about fourteen hundred dollars. Yeah,
fifteen milligram monjarro is also fourteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
That's where you save.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
So you buy the fifteen milligram, you dilute it down
to two point five to you get six per fifteen
and now instead of costing fourteen hundred bucks a month,
it's like two hundred.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Bucks saving money wherever he goes.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Well, here's the problem. It's really wonderful for someone like
me and you talk about microdosing, But what does that
mean to me? To the person who's not a physician,
it doesn't have any meaning. Even when physicians are talking
to each other, Well, what does microdosing mean to you? Okay,
So it depends on the person. It's the starting dose
is two point five milligrams? Are you talking about one
(41:39):
point twenty five? Are you talking about point oh six?
Two five?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
What are you talking about? How are you making how
are you making it? Where are you getting it? So
it's really cute for someone like me to say everyone
should be microdosing, but no one knows how to get
it and microdose it.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Maybe that's the next step.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So I was interviewed on Fox News the other day. Yeah,
and they did this really great interview about Terry de
Brow things everybody should be microdosing. Yeah, And then they
did this long article of me making all these salient
points about why it's so good controlling sugar and inflammation,
and then right before the end they interviewed the spokesman
(42:18):
for the drug company who makes this stuff, and they go, no, no, no,
there is no medical indication for microdosing has not been tested.
We do not recommend you do that pop up and
I went, oh, right, right, I forgot. Of course they're
going to say that, right, but it's you know, it's
an off label use, which is legal off label use
(42:38):
for a drug, but the drug company doesn't want you
to do it because they don't sell it that way,
and that's going to encourage you to go to a
compounding pharmacy to get it.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Okay, So it seems like everyone eventually might end up
being on some smaller dose of this drug. We have
to wrap up soon. But I am just curious because
I have all also read things about this drug maybe
being available in other forms other than needles. Now I
(43:07):
mean needles. Some people don't like shots. You have to
refrigerate it, so probably hard to travel with. Right, What
do you think the likelihood is or the efficacy is
in a pill or we'll be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, they're testing it now. But you know this oral
ozempic called ribelsis, it's not very effective. No, no, So
it's just not there yet. But clearly it'll be a pill.
It'll be like met form. You know people take met
form in franti for yeah, for anti aging. It's going
to be the new met form.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
All right, then I'll switch.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
But it's not there yet. It won't be there for
a while, but not yet. No. So at the end
of the takeo messages. Even though if someone like me
is telling you to microdose it, I'm really not giving
you enough information to make it practical. What does that mean? Microdoes?
Where do I get it? How do I get microdoses
of it?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
And who really knows what microdos is? Because a microdose
for you your height and weight might be different than
a micro dose for someone like me.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It's it's that's why I said, That's why I say
share your information with everyone. We're trying to figure it
out as physicians, as you're trying to figure it out
as patients.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
But I mean, how exciting that there is drug that
is being looked at so carefully that can control sugar
inflammation and possibly stave off or maybe even you know,
cure dementia.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, and we don't have enough time right now. But
one thing is we didn't talk about is Aliday the
ozembic face ocmpic vulva, of zempic, this ozempic, that ozmpic vulva.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I mean, now I'm on the edge of my seat. Yes,
all right, well next time, next time, next time. Ozempic vulva.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
We were talking.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
We were talking about not ozembic volva, but we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
This last night. Well what was it called.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I was telling you that I was looking in the
side view of the mirror at the late's and that
I thought I looked like it was sticking out.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
You've never heard of ozmpic vulva.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
No, but I don't take ozempic, so I don't have
ozmpic vulcan. But wait, ozempic vulva would make it flabby. Yes,
I'm saying I have the opposite. I got a fat vulva.
That was my point, you have fat vulva. I said
this to you last night, and you went, Heather, It's
called the mound because it's a mound, It's.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Called the mons pubis because because it just means it's
supposed to be bulgy, right.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Like it's like we didn't no, no no.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
By the way, ozempic vulva is a thing, but that's flat. Yes, yeah,
zip vulva. So don't rush in to have a volva
plasty anytime.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Soon because it bounces back. It might bounce back and
then you're gonna have a moundy moans.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Although if you end up having ozembic vulva, I am
offering a fifty percent off. You're just going to do
half a list all this month on vulva plastics, So
come get yours now before we book up waiting.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
But now you're just saying something about just a little
something about ozebic face. Yeah, so because I think people
I think the misunderstanding is that people are saying that
being on a golp one makes your face fault. But
that's not true. Way rapid rapid weight loss makes your
face ball, but then it bounces bed does it redistributes?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I mean, most people who lose weight very very very
quickly losing their face first.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Unfortunately. It's like when you have a baby.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, but then after a while it's sort of redistributes,
don't rush right into a dermatolis plus surgeon and have
expensive procedures and leave your volvo alone. And remember up
to seventy percent of people, unfortunately, who will go on
these drugs and lose the weight ultimately regain the weight.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
But that's why if you were microdosing it, maybe just down.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
You have to figure it out. You have to figure
out what kind of responder you are, because maybe twenty
percent don't respond at.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
All, right, and then of the people get very sick,
and then.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Of the eighty well that goes pretty much goes away
a lot most of the time. But of the eighty
percent who do respond, some of them are super responders,
like I am two point five milligrams, just does it
for me, you know, and others need to get into
some need to go higher. And you have to figure
out what your maintenance.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Does is going to be Yeah, all right, there you
have it. Friends, Well, that was very informative.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, and has a lot of drugs. Go to a
zempic volva. We covered it all.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
We did. I feel really good about it me too,
Thanks you all for being here.
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