October 3, 2025 • 42 mins
Captain Ron is joined by author Alan Steinfeld for a conversation about the recent UFO hearings and humanity’s understanding of the phenomena.
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain ronin Today we're speaking
with Alan Steinfeld. Alan's a writer, producer, and speaker in
the fields of human potential, metaphysics, consciousness, evolution, spiritual winkening,
and cosmic intelligences. He's the author of the book Making Contact,
and he also has a popular podcast called New Realities.
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Alan's also been a speaker and contributor and big supporter
and friend of contact in the Desert. I'm so glad
to have him here today. Hey, my friend, how are you?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I was there from the beginning, wrong right there?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
When were you at the first one?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I was at the first one everyone since. Yeah, I
have to say, you've made it better than ever. Last
year was really probably one of the best years out
of what is it eleven or twelve?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
So yeah, thanks, man, I really appreciate it. We have
such a dedicated team. We are all so so committed
to this cause. I don't even know where that comes from.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It comes from a I think, an urgency to awaken
humanity to their potential. That's how I see it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Maybe, and how we fell into this role, I don't know,
but man, it just it feels, you know, preordaining to us.
I got to tell you the other day, I was
watching the TV and I was watching the hearings and
they were showing clips and guess who I saw in
the audience. Allan Steinfeld.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
So you got to go see the hearings. What was
that like?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Well, first of all, you know, went down to Washington,
had a place to stay there, and it's a sense
like you are a part of history. You are seeing
history and action. I think the most amazing thing about
these recent hearings is that for the first time we've
heard witnesses, we've heard experiences speak to Congress speak to
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the public out loud now at some little oh you know,
support network, but to the world about their et contact
experiences and how to change how it changed their lives.
So that I think was the most dramatic moments there
at the hearings last week.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So we even had an actual active duty Navy officer,
Alex Wiggins, which I thought, I think that's a first.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I was more impressed with
the other guys testimony because it seemed more accessible. The
guys saw the light, the triangle, the red square. I mean,
these things are not explainable in the world we think exists.
And actually that's sort of where I'm going in my
next book. How do we could make possible the impossible?
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That's what we're dealing with in this phenomenon on.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
There's your title right there, buddy.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Which which which part?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Which one makes possible? What's impossible?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
It's sort of Jeffrey Kriipe was talking about what's really
beyond contact. Okay, yes, there's definitely something out there, and
we can all agree about that. What are they doing here?
How do they get here? And how do they the
big thing because I teach remote viewing, how do they
get into our minds? How do they manipulate reality? That
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I think is the secret behind the secrets. It's the
cover up. Really, we can acknowledge these beings are here,
and they are obviously because they have craft them body,
but how are they interfacing with these human beings is
something I think the government doesn't understand, and I don't
think human beings at the level of consciousness we're at
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have the capacity to understand. I mean at this point,
I mean, I agree.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
One hundred percent. Helen, let me ask you about these
hearings that you were at. Do you think that these
hearings are helping anything?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well, they're absolutely helping. They're they're moving the ball down
the field, as Grant Camery say, say, we got we're not.
They keep moving the goal post, but we keep moving
the ball. First, it brings public awareness. The other thing
is they go deeper into the phenomena itself when Luna
representing Luna was on Joe Rogan. She talked about interdimensional beings.
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I mean, we have to understand how complex the situation is.
It's not just oh, there're a craft in the sky
or there's being showing up at your doorstep. No, it
is a huge shift within the consciousness field of humanity
and what we're capable of. That's that's so this is
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helping people realize first that something's here, what's possible, and
the world is not what we thought it was or
believe to be one.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And you know, I felt like I came away with
three things that I thought that these accomplished and I
pulled those out of this hearing. Number one, it gets
people like timber Chat, you know, to write the ua
HE Whistleblower Protection Act, which could really be helpful, and
of course Schumer's UAP Act. Number two. I thought it
was very interesting that Bortland specifically said he decided to
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come forward because he saw the Grush hearing, So this
might inspire other people to come forward. And thirdly, I
thought about the way that guy Eli Crane said. I
wrote down his quote here It says, hearing this testimony
from honorable service members and watching videos like my colleague
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mister Berlison just presented. You know, I have to admit
I've become a believer. So now here's a guy in
Congress who's not really into this topic and he has
become a believer. So don't you think that's really a
great step forward.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Well, it's not a step forward for that guy, it's
a step forward for anyone who may casually be tuning in.
So this guy didn't believe, and now he's seeing the evidence.
So it helps our cause. And what is our cause?
The fact that reality is expanding that I keep bringing
it back to our human potential. That you know. My
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favorite quote by John Mack, who was a hero in
this field, the psychiatrist who was looking at adauctis. He says,
UFOs are like an outreach program from the Cosmos for
the consciously impaired. That's us, we are the consciously impaired.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think that's right. I think we're at the infancy
of this. We never even thought in these terms years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah, but what do you make of Borland's testimony was
I was a little confused because he had an experience,
and then he said he couldn't talk about some of that.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I wasn't sure what you talking about a bunch of it.
I found it very interesting how tightly they control this,
Like he said, well, I can talk about it, but
I have to do it a skiff. Then he goes
on to say, but you have to get the proper clearance.
Like so he's able to talk about it a skiff,
but the guy that from Congress doesn't have the permission
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to even talk to him, so he doesn't even know
what to ask him. So that shows you how buried
this stuff is.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
It's so buried. And I keep asking people like Danny,
she look, these whistleblowers are getting their lives threatened. Can't
we call the people are threatening them in front of Congress?
Can't we petition them? Or or what are they mis
subpoena them? I mean, those are the people that are
holding the whole thing up. And I talked to I
asked someone in Washington about that question and said, oh,
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you don't understand how Washington works. Well she said, that's
a good question, but that's not how Washington works. It's like,
I don't understand the structures of this way of operating
in government.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's pretty convoluted because they have these you know, clearances
that these guys can't talk about these things. So he
says in the hearing, I can't talk about that here,
But then he can't talk to the guy. And then
there's this other fact of let's say we do get
our bills through, and we get whistleblower protection, and we
get the UAP Act through. The other problem is with
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what George Nepp kept alluding to during the hearing, which
is that there's these legacy programs are ahead of the
curve on this, and they're burying this stuff in private companies.
Lack lacked raytheon these different companies, so that even if
Congress gets oversight, they don't have oversight over private companies.
So they're not going to be able to get to
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this information anyway.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
But that's in the Schumann Amendment. I think eminent domain
is a clause Schum Schumer put in there. Whether it's
a voter for or not, but it means anyone who's
any connection to anything connected with UFO's UAPs has to
come forward and give it to the government, whether they
will or not.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They are not, you know, the answer to that out
and the.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Other thing that's involved with just that is amnesty. Do
we give these guys who maybe have I don't know,
killed people over this secret or threaten them. Do we
give them amnesty and start from a clean slate. These
are so many intricate issues, issues that just have to
be put out on the table, and this hearing was
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like a baby step. It was a step, but we
need to get to the real issues, and that's going
to make our work, your work Contact in the Desert
even more exciting. It's going to be the go to
hub for what's really going on.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I find it all very fascinating, the way the whole
process works. But I'm also thrilled that Congress people are
taking this dead seriously now. They're not even nobody made
anything like jokes or anything like that the entire thing.
They were all very professional and took it in a
very serious manner, and I think that's a big step forward.
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We need to take a break here, Alan, we come back.
We're going to talk with you more about the uIP
hearings that you were there in person attending, and then
we'll get to your book Making Contact. The next two segments,
you're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact talking to Alen Steinfeld. Alan, did you find
it interesting that the commonalities that I heard from the
different witnesses who testified, how similar they were to each other,
and how similar they were to other accounts that we've
heard in the community. Things like it flew off in
a flash, and it was a triangle, and it had
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lights on the corners and one in the center. Those
are all things we've heard in the subculture for years,
so it was interesting that they all brought those same
similar stories forward.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it was interesting that they said it in front
of Congress, in front of a listening public. I think
that was one of the key components of that hearing
what these are military guys and they're dead serious about
what they're saying, and that one guy said after he
saw the phenomenon, checked upstairs with his family make sure
no one was abducted. That that was a pretty amazing moment.
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So the truth is coming out. It's not only out there,
but it's coming to us.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So it's incredible having these guys in Congress talk about
it almost like we do. Well. I checked to see
if anyone got abducted. You know, you wouldn't think someone
would say that, and here they are on the floor
of Congress saying it.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I know, I'm surprised no one followed up with that question,
but it was enough that was in the record. So
these are you know, we know when Whitney Strieber wrote
his book Communion, he got two hundred thousand letters around
the country from people who had similar experiences.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And we didn't know each other, didn't know anything about this,
and that was way before the Internet or social media
or anything.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
So it goes back to what I think Danny She's
trying to do. I was with him for the hearings
and we visited Burlason's office and all that, and he's
making this a people's movement, which is what Contact in
the Desert is doing. Let's gather people talk about this issue,
talk about all aspects of this issue, and see if
we can change the laws and bring it into a
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public acknowledged arena. This is the key to I think,
what we're trying to do here, and also share information
amongst each other. I mean, you know, there's many levels
to this phenomenon. For one guy says what there's UFOs
and the other person goes, yeah, I've seen them, and
then they've been abducted. Yeah, these ets have talking to me.
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It's like, what level do we want to talk about?
So it's a spectrum, but we have to at least
bring people into first grade where it's here, it's here, Allen.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I also found it interesting that Dylan Borlan that he
had direct knowledge of the reality of certain legacy UAP programs. Again,
he couldn't talk about it right there on the floor,
but there's a guy who specifically said I have direct
knowledge about this.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, the legacy programs definitely are keeping the secrets and
they're definitely threatening these whistleblowers coming forward. As guy Borland said,
he didn't even have a job, he didn't have any
prospects of a job. These are heroes coming forward bearing
their soul. That that test, I thought that was the
most dramatic. The bo that Dylan boiling or.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
One hundred percent, and the way you were talking earlier,
how this issue so complex, and like do you give
amnesty to somebody that killed somebody to keep this secret?
All these kind of things. You know, there's also the
look at all these people who have suffered because they
had to keep this quiet, you know, and you know
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people that have lost their jobs. This guy is a
perfect example. He's been ousted from the intelligence community. Who's
going to hire this guy?
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
He's his life's been turned upside down?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I know, but that does he's been threatened, and the
other guy from the Navy is like sharing and he's
not having any pushback, so I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Really maybe seem to work with him. That was very
interesting that he didn't seem to have even a roadblock
or hesitation. They almost helped him. And I wonder if
the different branches of government have different, you know, outlooks.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
With us. I want to know who the force behind
all of this is. There's like a rollout campaign sort
of that someone's controlling. And of course, the other end
of this run we have to look at is that
the phenomena itself really is the total arbitrarior of truth,
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like one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But I've interviewed people like Walter Bosley and some of
these guys who work in counterintelligence, and they feel it
is definitely the narrative is being controlled intentionally, like they
release certain guys, release certain information, and they want to
keep control of the NAR. So that's an.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Interesting and why is that, you think, why do you
think they wanted to.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, when I asked him, it was more like they
want to send the direction to keep it the way
they want it.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know, the idea of.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
This is a threat from AFAR, So keep sending money
to the military industrial complex. Let's build up our defenses.
That kind of thing. That's the way they put it.
I think it's horrifying, but probably true.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, And what I think is that, you know, if
these things are really and we obviously think they are,
then we have no defense against them. And we have
a what of five billion dollar defense budget? Why we
spending that money if we are essentially defenseless.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
That's well hard.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That's because of the adversaries that we have. We still
have to defend against Russia and China. And there was
an interesting part of the whole hearings that they brought up.
It started with the guy Andy Ogels. That representative said
the question is is this technology ours someone else's or
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is it indeed otherworldly? And as a legislative body, we
must know. So then Nap piped up Alan and he said, well,
no country in the world wants to say that we
can't control our airspace.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Right, But are we really afraid that another country it's
going to like Russia's going to invade the US. I mean,
is that like part of the soul narrative that will
be a cheap thing.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No, I don't think so, Elen. I think what they
got it at the hearing, which I thought was a
really interesting part, is they think they brought up the
fact that they think the major bodies like China, Russia,
US have recovered craft. So they were talking about it
being a race to control that technology. They don't think
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anyone's really broken through and controls that technology yet, So
whoever gets that first could kind of, you know, rule
the world.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
If you will.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It's hard telling you don't buy it because there's more
to all of it than they want us to know.
I mean, we may seem like we're in competition with Russia,
but I've also heard other things. We're really working with
the Russians and the Chinese developed this technologies like Supero.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You know, we hear everything on all of these alan
even the tic Tech video. Yeah, you know, now they're
saying that that's ours, that's our technology.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
You know, I'm going to ask Ross Koltar because Fraverer
came out and said, that's no way our technology.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
David frav I agree with this whole idea, Allan. Why
would David Fraverer know about experimental craft. It's not like
we're working on this super tech. Hey, we should call
all of our pilots and let them know what we're
working on for the future. He's he has no reason
to know.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's way above his need to know.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
As far as I'm well, I agree, and that would
explain why the craft would appear at the contact point
before they got there.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
But that's exactly right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I still think it's also counterintelligence by saying that too.
You know, why didn't they say it in twenty seventeen
when it originally came out. Why they wait eight years?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It's you know, somebody's got this grand plan and they
I think they just test the waters and see how
people react, test the water, see how this goes over.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I think there's counterintelligence, you know, like the Wall Street
Journal article, Well, there's really nothing here. I just read
an article in New Yorker magazine. This guy seemed really
positive about Oh there's UFOs people are seeing, and then
he talks to scientists, and the scientists say, well, you
can't get there from here. There's no such thing. We
don't have that technology and people. There's two points of
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view here. You either assume that it's impossible and we
don't have the science to make it happen, or you
take the other position, where something's happening and we don't
know how to explain it, but let's accept the fact
that it's here, because if you deny it, you're never
going to get anywhere. But if you say, okay, something's here,
how is that operating? How it's affecting us? So we
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need to take that open minded position. Otherwise we're just
like Neil de Grasse Tyson saying, oh, it's it's not real.
It's all like fabrication, it's hallucination.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
It's I absolutely find that the argument that you can't
get there from here as absolutely ridiculous, because one hundred
and fifty years ago you would say you can't get
from the US to Europe in under three months, because
we couldn't get there in under three months, And here
we are just one hundred and fifty years later, and
we can do it in the under three hours on
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a concord.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
So that'sactly we can talk to anyone around the world
with your little little device.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Twenty years ago, nobody thought about that except right this
is We're going to take a break.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Alan, we're at the top of here. Let's start getting
on the other side.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Well, come back. We're going to talk with Alan about
his book Making Contact and ask him about the piece
by John Mack, one of my favorites. You're listening to
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal podcast member. We are back on Beyond Contact speaking
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with Alan Seinfeld. Hey, Alan, so your book Making Contact
has some of the very top people who research this topic,
and I feel like it does a really good job
of showcasing how there's so many different ways to look
at this phenomenon.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Right, Yes, well, you know I have to say I
met all those people who are who I think are
the top researchers and experiences in the field at going
to contact in the desert. You know, you hang out
for three days, you have dinner of lunch with them,
You see them wrong, you sit by the pool and there.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Should get a royalty for this?
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Is that what you're alluding to. That's fine, well, and
I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I wrote it before actually you were there, but anyway,
but you know, you get to know them. So I
approached this publisher with this idea or some other ideas,
and he says yeah. I said, yeah, I know all
those people. Just call them up and see if they
can write an essay about their research about what it
is to the idea of making contact. So I got
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a whole range of views. Because, like we've been saying,
it's a very complex layered subject. So I thought one
essay or just my point of view isn't enough. We
need a multifaceted mosaic. It's like everyone has a piece
of the elephant. So that was the intention behind this
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kind of overview, this compilation. And yeah, I got I called.
I knew there was a talk by John Mack that
hadn't been published before, and I called his archivis and
his archives, called the family and said, oh, yeah, there's
this talk, and then we transcribed it and he okayed
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it and his family gave me permission to publish that
talk by John matt for the first time. And it
feels so contemporary with the rest of the essays that
were in twenty twenty one. John hasn't been around for
twenty years, but he was such a visionary and understood
why the phenomena tests everyone's everyone's view of reality. I mean,
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he's a guy who in influenced Danny she And to
create the Paradigm Institute. You know, John Matt introduced Danny
she into the idea of paradigms. And John Matt got
that from his mentor, Thomas kuhn You know Thomas kuhon Is.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I've heard that name and it's a shame lost Mac
because man, he could have really done so many more
great things in this community.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Well there is, according to Danny She know, if it's
just between you, there's an unpublished manuscript that Danny has
of what John's latest last book was going to be.
It's not published yet, but yeah, he contributed tremendously to
the phenomena and he made it okay as a psychiatrist,
as a professor at Harvard to say it's okay, you've
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had those experiences. Well, maybe it's beyond his worldview, but
maybe you're saying something we all need to wake up to.
And obviously they are and still are so he made
it okay, He's such a huge figure in this field.
Every experiencer really owes a debt to him.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I completely agree. Did you notice a common thread or
theme among all these different perspectives from people.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Well, they all mentioned except Nick Pope, the idea of
to left the every essay is even people like Linda
Moulton Howell contributed, or Grand Cameron or the Hurtalks especially,
they all mentioned. So there seems to be the language
of the universe is not verbal, it's telepathic communications. And
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of course this is what the telepathy tapes are so
important about. They're showing us really the value and potential
of human consciousness. And when I teach remote viewing, I'm
seeing it all the time. People can tap into the
infinite feel of awareness and this gets us directly in
touch with the consciousness of these beings. And if we
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can expand our facility for telepathy, then maybe we can
have a dialogue with these beings, because that's how they
are showing up in people's lives. This is the first
of all the revolution and consciousness, but it's also the
ability to open the doorways to higher levels of et
contact and we have to develop that awareness like die
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you can see through her blind folds, or these telepathy tapes.
Kids can read people's minds. We all have that capacity,
we just haven't been taught how to use it. And
what Diane Hennessey Power is saying, because our left brain
is over stimulated with language, it's in the way of
our SI ability. So what I'm excited about is teaching
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people remote viewings so they get the impression and we
could telepathically communicate, and we can have a group consciousness
and we become available to this greater consciousness that is
probably talking to us, but we're so busy, you know,
speaking words when not hearing it. So that's really exciting
for me.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Did you happen to those any contradictions between these perspectives?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
There's no. In these eleven essays and twelve VIVI include
George Nori's introduction, each has a little part of like
I said, the elephant, the contradiction, No, there's it's an evolution.
So it's really like we start I start with the outside,
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like Nick Pope, the exo, the extern Why is the
government not telling us its secrets? Where are they covering up?
And then they go into the investigators Okay, like people
like Grand Cameron, he's an experience, but what is he
found in his research and all that? And then the
deeper researchers like Linda Moulten, how what has she learned
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over thirty and forty years of understanding and looking at
this phenomenon. So it goes, it starts to go into
layers deeper. And then we get to Whitley Strieber and
he's an amazing contactee, right He's like the best in
the bunch. And then from that we go into Mary
Rodwell talking to these kids that have had their own
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their born with an awareness. And then I kind of
finished up kind of fast forward through with Carol and Corey,
who's probably the closest thing we have to an et.
Right course, consciousness is really out there. So it is
a progression, so an it's a layering process, I'm not
I mean, there might be subtle contradictions, but everyone's looking
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at it from the place they're at, right and they're
looking in terms of their own reference, and they're not
necessarily looking to contradict, They're looking to affirm what they know.
And then the next chapter takes us a little further
and a little deeper into this, you know, and Whitley's
talking about the afterlife stuff and all that.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
So yeah, all that ties into this. You know, even
talking to non speakers, like all of those people are
are speakers who who have written about this topic. What
about just talking to regular contact these or whatever. It's
interesting what a diverse set of experiences people have using
their own lens. And I'm always fascinated by how different
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they believe in one thing versus another.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Yeah, that's a big point of contention. You get people
like Chris bloodsoe ye had an experience and he feels
healed from this, and you talk you read the research
of Karla Turner, you know who she was. She felt
they're killing her and they maybe did eventually. So do
you get these two different narratives by experiencers and what's right?
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What's wrong?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean, are these two different experiences that have the
same being encounter and interpreted differently or are they visited
by two different quote unquote alien races?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Well, this is why we need all the information up
front for the public to discern that. I think it
really comes back to what Jeffrey Kriipe and other people say.
The phenomena is reflective. It's like if you if you're
a military guy who go out it with weapons, you're
going to have a negative respons to these orbs. But
if you come at it with love and openness, like
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Chris Bludsoe, who is a beautiful guy, you're gonna receive
healing and you're gonna help other people heal. So maybe
it's that fine tune to our consciousness that it is
us looking in a mirror of sorts. I don't know,
that's just my that's the best I can understand doing.
Even John Max said, after people get over the trauma
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of these abductions or contact, they become more spiritual, they
become more evolved, they move to a higher place of knowing.
So it comes down to is the universal friendly place?
That was a question Einstein post. But it comes down
to are they here for good bad? Is the multiple levels?
Or is it to serve men? Or is it childhood's end?
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You know, It's like, sure, we are still having war
on this planet. People are still making war. I mean,
I just one of my favorite quotes is what H. G.
Wells wrote me years after you wrote War of the World.
He said, someday people will look back at an old
newspaper and magazine and think was there ever such a world?
Speaker 6 (31:08):
We've got to take a quick break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
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Beyond Contact speaking with Alan Steinfeld. Ellen. You've been looking
at this topic for a long time now, so today
twenty twenty five, where do you sit? What's your best
guess as to what the source of this might be.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Well, I want to tell you what I'm working on.
I'm trying to understand what we've sort of been talking about,
the abduction phenomena. So you're in your house alone, the
doors are locked, the windows are closed, you're sleeping in bed,
and suddenly there's someone in the room looking at you,
waking up, teleporting you abordership. I mean, we've heard all that.
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How does that happen? How do we fit that phenomena
into the worldview that we have, Well, it doesn't fit.
We have to change what we think is possible. That's
why I'm looking at what It's not just quantum physics,
it's more than that. What do we need to know
about the laws of the universe that these beings obviously
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know because they've done it probably hundreds of thousands of times,
that we don't know. And how do we break out
of the box of limitation to think something's not possible?
How do we expand this window of awareness? So that's
what I'm sort of obsessed with. How do they plant
thoughts in our brain? What is this thing called consciousness?
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And I think when we understand what consciousness really is,
this is a quote Edgar Mitchell said, We're going to
understand the phenomena. We're going to understand our own potential.
That's where I'm at now. I mean, yeah, Joe Despenser
talks about this, A lot of people talk about the
potential of consciousness. Diane Hennessy Powell, I think is a
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real leader in the field. We need to understand this
thing that we are in a whole different way. There
needs to be much more of a consciousness revolution, and
that's what I think the phenomena is about on some levels. Yet,
Jock Vile said, I'd be very disappointed it was just
little visitors from another plant showing up, And He's right,
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it's much more than that. But we are so locked
into this density we don't know what it. We don't
have the capacity because we've been limited to what we
can think. So that contact in the desert is such
an important event because it gives people a chance to network,
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to share ideas, to throw out new possibilities, and to
have a place for it to land. You know. The
Experiencers groups are just fantastic there. But the speakers give
new options, of possibilities, of world views. And we need
to know that the worldview we have has been killing
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the earth, killing each other, you know, making it unsustainable.
If we can change what we think is possible, new inventions,
new awarenesses, the ability to understand the greater mind comes online.
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And that's really what I'm looking at. How does the
UFO phenomena lead to a greater understanding of us as
human beings or beings part of a galaxy?
Speaker 6 (34:54):
You know?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
One more thing, We've always thought like we live in
a dead universe. Life was just a freak of nature,
This is our Darwinian model. But maybe life is an
emergent property of creation itself, and maybe intelligence and consciousness
is the foundation for all of that. Let's change. If
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we have that worldview, what else is possible? It's not
right or wrong. Let's just change our position and how
we're looking at the world and see if we can
create a better understanding of science, physics, and the nature
of reality.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It's interesting the way it's evolved, like even just in
our community, how the way we look at this phenomenon.
I'm sure thirty years ago it was quite different. And
now as you keep bringing up how the side component
seems to be part of this and it definitely seems
to somehow be derivative from consciousness.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Right, Yes, something is happening in general to the side
component and consciousness. It is like the buzzword, even among
scientists who aren't even connected to the UFO phenomena. I
think the UFO phenomena, though, highlights what is possible for consciousness,
because if consciousness is not contained in the brain, which
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is what we obviously show in remote viewing and near
death experiences and outer body, then what is this thing
that we really are? And if we are non local,
if consciousness non local, which remote doing proofs, then those
beings whoever they are, also have a non local consciousness
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and we become we start to realize we're part of
a cosmos where related to this infinite field of awareness
and we have access to it, and that we're immortal,
that whoever we are, you know, is greater than the body.
And I in my class, I say, it's like a
radio way coming in and with the radio breaks, it
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doesn't mean the signal has stopped.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Even people like Russell Bergh and Max Playing, these guys
said that consciousness survives death. And I find that best.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Russell was my remote dealing teacher. I sat down with him.
He said, I'm going to show you how to do this,
and that tape is still on YouTube and has like
a quarter million views. And I and I'm teaching what
Russell taught me because he was one of the founders there,
and I knew how to put off. I had met
Ingo Swan who lived around the corner from me in
(37:27):
New York, so I knew the founding fathers. Let's say,
of the phenomena.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Hey, outside of this book you put together, do you
have a favorite or let's say, most convincing account that
you've heard about a non human encounter non human intelligence?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
A favorite? Well, I have my own write about in
the book where I was somehow taking a board or
I was driving cross country with his girlfriend. We stopped
by the side of the road and we just passed
out and we woke up in the same position. We
went to bed, and we like, and who remembers that
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I don't remember, and it's like and I called him
when I was writing this book and I had talked
to him like maybe twenty years I said, you remember
that night we drove and she said, oh, yeah, the
night were frozen. Yes, And it's like, yes, she remembered
exactly I remember. And then I actually discovered the next
day I had a mark on the back of my
leg four prong puncture mar And coincidentally, when I got
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back to New York, I started to meet Bud Hopkins
people and I said, when is this thing here? And
they go, oh, that's an abduction. It's like nothing.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
It did two things. It totally freaked me out because
I didn't remember it, and it made me obsessed from
nineteen eighty seven to this day with what happened to me?
What's going on? What's this all about? And it just
sucked me down the rabbit hole and I'm still down
that rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Well, I liked if someone was with you and had
the same experience that.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Least, Yes, I know it was actually our meeting seemed
like it was divinely connect like Eve Logren talks about
that love bites where people are set up in meetings.
So yes, Well, it's about looking at what we consider
impossible within our worldview, and how they the phenomena is
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challenging us to go beyond what we thought was possible.
How do we stretch our minds to what the name
of my show is New Realities? What does it mean
to have a wider perception of what exists? How to
see fields of energy, how to connect with beings that
aren't visible or we're not taught to be here. So
(39:38):
it's about perception, you know, like I show in my
classes where that that that little clip of the people
passing the basketball and there's a gorilla walking through, you know,
and I say the same thing. You know, there are
probably beings around us right now, but we're not saying
because our perceptions haven't been trained to see it. You
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only see what you've been trained to see and condition
to see, and if something else comes along, there's no
place to put it. Well, that's what the UFO phenomena
is about. Two people can be looking at the sky.
You know that one person can see it, another person can.
So it comes down to perception when I'm writing about
and how do we upgrade our perception to see more
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of what reality is? And that is a daily practice
and it's becoming as noticing what you notice and don't
go unconscious. It's Youngian theory is involved with this, you know,
there's a deep level of perceptual theory. Cognitive science is
involved with this. How do we expand our neural nets
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of awareness is also what Joseph bend is talking about.
So I'm taking all this research and apply it to
the phenomena. So finally we can make contact and go
beyond contact and have an interface perhaps with these beings.
That's very cool.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
That sounds like a great approach and look forward to that.
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain ronin Today we're speaking
with Alan Steinfeld. Alan's a writer, producer, and speaker in
the fields of human potential, metaphysics, consciousness, evolution, spiritual winkening,
and cosmic intelligences. He's the author of the book Making Contact,
and he also has a popular podcast called New Realities.
(01:28):
Alan's also been a speaker and contributor and big supporter
and friend of contact in the Desert. I'm so glad
to have him here today. Hey, my friend, how are you?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I was there from the beginning, wrong right there?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
When were you at the first one?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I was at the first one everyone since. Yeah, I
have to say, you've made it better than ever. Last
year was really probably one of the best years out
of what is it eleven or twelve?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
So yeah, thanks, man, I really appreciate it. We have
such a dedicated team. We are all so so committed
to this cause. I don't even know where that comes from.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It comes from a I think, an urgency to awaken
humanity to their potential. That's how I see it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Maybe, and how we fell into this role, I don't know,
but man, it just it feels, you know, preordaining to us.
I got to tell you the other day, I was
watching the TV and I was watching the hearings and
they were showing clips and guess who I saw in
the audience. Allan Steinfeld.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
So you got to go see the hearings. What was
that like?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Well, first of all, you know, went down to Washington,
had a place to stay there, and it's a sense
like you are a part of history. You are seeing
history and action. I think the most amazing thing about
these recent hearings is that for the first time we've
heard witnesses, we've heard experiences speak to Congress speak to
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the public out loud now at some little oh you know,
support network, but to the world about their et contact
experiences and how to change how it changed their lives.
So that I think was the most dramatic moments there
at the hearings last week.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So we even had an actual active duty Navy officer,
Alex Wiggins, which I thought, I think that's a first.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I was more impressed with
the other guys testimony because it seemed more accessible. The
guys saw the light, the triangle, the red square. I mean,
these things are not explainable in the world we think exists.
And actually that's sort of where I'm going in my
next book. How do we could make possible the impossible?
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That's what we're dealing with in this phenomenon on.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
There's your title right there, buddy.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Which which which part?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Which one makes possible? What's impossible?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
It's sort of Jeffrey Kriipe was talking about what's really
beyond contact. Okay, yes, there's definitely something out there, and
we can all agree about that. What are they doing here?
How do they get here? And how do they the
big thing because I teach remote viewing, how do they
get into our minds? How do they manipulate reality? That
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I think is the secret behind the secrets. It's the
cover up. Really, we can acknowledge these beings are here,
and they are obviously because they have craft them body,
but how are they interfacing with these human beings is
something I think the government doesn't understand, and I don't
think human beings at the level of consciousness we're at
(04:43):
have the capacity to understand. I mean at this point,
I mean, I agree.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
One hundred percent. Helen, let me ask you about these
hearings that you were at. Do you think that these
hearings are helping anything?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well, they're absolutely helping. They're they're moving the ball down
the field, as Grant Camery say, say, we got we're not.
They keep moving the goal post, but we keep moving
the ball. First, it brings public awareness. The other thing
is they go deeper into the phenomena itself when Luna
representing Luna was on Joe Rogan. She talked about interdimensional beings.
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I mean, we have to understand how complex the situation is.
It's not just oh, there're a craft in the sky
or there's being showing up at your doorstep. No, it
is a huge shift within the consciousness field of humanity
and what we're capable of. That's that's so this is
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helping people realize first that something's here, what's possible, and
the world is not what we thought it was or
believe to be one.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And you know, I felt like I came away with
three things that I thought that these accomplished and I
pulled those out of this hearing. Number one, it gets
people like timber Chat, you know, to write the ua
HE Whistleblower Protection Act, which could really be helpful, and
of course Schumer's UAP Act. Number two. I thought it
was very interesting that Bortland specifically said he decided to
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come forward because he saw the Grush hearing, So this
might inspire other people to come forward. And thirdly, I
thought about the way that guy Eli Crane said. I
wrote down his quote here It says, hearing this testimony
from honorable service members and watching videos like my colleague
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mister Berlison just presented. You know, I have to admit
I've become a believer. So now here's a guy in
Congress who's not really into this topic and he has
become a believer. So don't you think that's really a
great step forward.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Well, it's not a step forward for that guy, it's
a step forward for anyone who may casually be tuning in.
So this guy didn't believe, and now he's seeing the evidence.
So it helps our cause. And what is our cause?
The fact that reality is expanding that I keep bringing
it back to our human potential. That you know. My
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favorite quote by John Mack, who was a hero in
this field, the psychiatrist who was looking at adauctis. He says,
UFOs are like an outreach program from the Cosmos for
the consciously impaired. That's us, we are the consciously impaired.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think that's right. I think we're at the infancy
of this. We never even thought in these terms years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah, but what do you make of Borland's testimony was
I was a little confused because he had an experience,
and then he said he couldn't talk about some of that.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I wasn't sure what you talking about a bunch of it.
I found it very interesting how tightly they control this,
Like he said, well, I can talk about it, but
I have to do it a skiff. Then he goes
on to say, but you have to get the proper clearance.
Like so he's able to talk about it a skiff,
but the guy that from Congress doesn't have the permission
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to even talk to him, so he doesn't even know
what to ask him. So that shows you how buried
this stuff is.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
It's so buried. And I keep asking people like Danny,
she look, these whistleblowers are getting their lives threatened. Can't
we call the people are threatening them in front of Congress?
Can't we petition them? Or or what are they mis
subpoena them? I mean, those are the people that are
holding the whole thing up. And I talked to I
asked someone in Washington about that question and said, oh,
(08:30):
you don't understand how Washington works. Well she said, that's
a good question, but that's not how Washington works. It's like,
I don't understand the structures of this way of operating
in government.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's pretty convoluted because they have these you know, clearances
that these guys can't talk about these things. So he
says in the hearing, I can't talk about that here,
But then he can't talk to the guy. And then
there's this other fact of let's say we do get
our bills through, and we get whistleblower protection, and we
get the UAP Act through. The other problem is with
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what George Nepp kept alluding to during the hearing, which
is that there's these legacy programs are ahead of the
curve on this, and they're burying this stuff in private companies.
Lack lacked raytheon these different companies, so that even if
Congress gets oversight, they don't have oversight over private companies.
So they're not going to be able to get to
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this information anyway.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
But that's in the Schumann Amendment. I think eminent domain
is a clause Schum Schumer put in there. Whether it's
a voter for or not, but it means anyone who's
any connection to anything connected with UFO's UAPs has to
come forward and give it to the government, whether they
will or not.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They are not, you know, the answer to that out
and the.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Other thing that's involved with just that is amnesty. Do
we give these guys who maybe have I don't know,
killed people over this secret or threaten them. Do we
give them amnesty and start from a clean slate. These
are so many intricate issues, issues that just have to
be put out on the table, and this hearing was
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like a baby step. It was a step, but we
need to get to the real issues, and that's going
to make our work, your work Contact in the Desert
even more exciting. It's going to be the go to
hub for what's really going on.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I find it all very fascinating, the way the whole
process works. But I'm also thrilled that Congress people are
taking this dead seriously now. They're not even nobody made
anything like jokes or anything like that the entire thing.
They were all very professional and took it in a
very serious manner, and I think that's a big step forward.
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We need to take a break here, Alan, we come back.
We're going to talk with you more about the uIP
hearings that you were there in person attending, and then
we'll get to your book Making Contact. The next two segments,
you're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact talking to Alen Steinfeld. Alan, did you find
it interesting that the commonalities that I heard from the
different witnesses who testified, how similar they were to each other,
and how similar they were to other accounts that we've
heard in the community. Things like it flew off in
a flash, and it was a triangle, and it had
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lights on the corners and one in the center. Those
are all things we've heard in the subculture for years,
so it was interesting that they all brought those same
similar stories forward.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it was interesting that they said it in front
of Congress, in front of a listening public. I think
that was one of the key components of that hearing
what these are military guys and they're dead serious about
what they're saying, and that one guy said after he
saw the phenomenon, checked upstairs with his family make sure
no one was abducted. That that was a pretty amazing moment.
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So the truth is coming out. It's not only out there,
but it's coming to us.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So it's incredible having these guys in Congress talk about
it almost like we do. Well. I checked to see
if anyone got abducted. You know, you wouldn't think someone
would say that, and here they are on the floor
of Congress saying it.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I know, I'm surprised no one followed up with that question,
but it was enough that was in the record. So
these are you know, we know when Whitney Strieber wrote
his book Communion, he got two hundred thousand letters around
the country from people who had similar experiences.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And we didn't know each other, didn't know anything about this,
and that was way before the Internet or social media
or anything.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
So it goes back to what I think Danny She's
trying to do. I was with him for the hearings
and we visited Burlason's office and all that, and he's
making this a people's movement, which is what Contact in
the Desert is doing. Let's gather people talk about this issue,
talk about all aspects of this issue, and see if
we can change the laws and bring it into a
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public acknowledged arena. This is the key to I think,
what we're trying to do here, and also share information
amongst each other. I mean, you know, there's many levels
to this phenomenon. For one guy says what there's UFOs
and the other person goes, yeah, I've seen them, and
then they've been abducted. Yeah, these ets have talking to me.
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It's like, what level do we want to talk about?
So it's a spectrum, but we have to at least
bring people into first grade where it's here, it's here, Allen.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I also found it interesting that Dylan Borlan that he
had direct knowledge of the reality of certain legacy UAP programs. Again,
he couldn't talk about it right there on the floor,
but there's a guy who specifically said I have direct
knowledge about this.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, the legacy programs definitely are keeping the secrets and
they're definitely threatening these whistleblowers coming forward. As guy Borland said,
he didn't even have a job, he didn't have any
prospects of a job. These are heroes coming forward bearing
their soul. That that test, I thought that was the
most dramatic. The bo that Dylan boiling or.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
One hundred percent, and the way you were talking earlier,
how this issue so complex, and like do you give
amnesty to somebody that killed somebody to keep this secret?
All these kind of things. You know, there's also the
look at all these people who have suffered because they
had to keep this quiet, you know, and you know
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people that have lost their jobs. This guy is a
perfect example. He's been ousted from the intelligence community. Who's
going to hire this guy?
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
He's his life's been turned upside down?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I know, but that does he's been threatened, and the
other guy from the Navy is like sharing and he's
not having any pushback, so I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Really maybe seem to work with him. That was very
interesting that he didn't seem to have even a roadblock
or hesitation. They almost helped him. And I wonder if
the different branches of government have different, you know, outlooks.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
With us. I want to know who the force behind
all of this is. There's like a rollout campaign sort
of that someone's controlling. And of course, the other end
of this run we have to look at is that
the phenomena itself really is the total arbitrarior of truth,
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like one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But I've interviewed people like Walter Bosley and some of
these guys who work in counterintelligence, and they feel it
is definitely the narrative is being controlled intentionally, like they
release certain guys, release certain information, and they want to
keep control of the NAR. So that's an.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Interesting and why is that, you think, why do you
think they wanted to.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, when I asked him, it was more like they
want to send the direction to keep it the way
they want it.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know, the idea of.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
This is a threat from AFAR, So keep sending money
to the military industrial complex. Let's build up our defenses.
That kind of thing. That's the way they put it.
I think it's horrifying, but probably true.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, And what I think is that, you know, if
these things are really and we obviously think they are,
then we have no defense against them. And we have
a what of five billion dollar defense budget? Why we
spending that money if we are essentially defenseless.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
That's well hard.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That's because of the adversaries that we have. We still
have to defend against Russia and China. And there was
an interesting part of the whole hearings that they brought up.
It started with the guy Andy Ogels. That representative said
the question is is this technology ours someone else's or
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is it indeed otherworldly? And as a legislative body, we
must know. So then Nap piped up Alan and he said, well,
no country in the world wants to say that we
can't control our airspace.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Right, But are we really afraid that another country it's
going to like Russia's going to invade the US. I mean,
is that like part of the soul narrative that will
be a cheap thing.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No, I don't think so, Elen. I think what they
got it at the hearing, which I thought was a
really interesting part, is they think they brought up the
fact that they think the major bodies like China, Russia,
US have recovered craft. So they were talking about it
being a race to control that technology. They don't think
(17:53):
anyone's really broken through and controls that technology yet, So
whoever gets that first could kind of, you know, rule
the world.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
If you will.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It's hard telling you don't buy it because there's more
to all of it than they want us to know.
I mean, we may seem like we're in competition with Russia,
but I've also heard other things. We're really working with
the Russians and the Chinese developed this technologies like Supero.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You know, we hear everything on all of these alan
even the tic Tech video. Yeah, you know, now they're
saying that that's ours, that's our technology.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
You know, I'm going to ask Ross Koltar because Fraverer
came out and said, that's no way our technology.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
David frav I agree with this whole idea, Allan. Why
would David Fraverer know about experimental craft. It's not like
we're working on this super tech. Hey, we should call
all of our pilots and let them know what we're
working on for the future. He's he has no reason
to know.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's way above his need to know.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
As far as I'm well, I agree, and that would
explain why the craft would appear at the contact point
before they got there.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
But that's exactly right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I still think it's also counterintelligence by saying that too.
You know, why didn't they say it in twenty seventeen
when it originally came out. Why they wait eight years?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It's you know, somebody's got this grand plan and they
I think they just test the waters and see how
people react, test the water, see how this goes over.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I think there's counterintelligence, you know, like the Wall Street
Journal article, Well, there's really nothing here. I just read
an article in New Yorker magazine. This guy seemed really
positive about Oh there's UFOs people are seeing, and then
he talks to scientists, and the scientists say, well, you
can't get there from here. There's no such thing. We
don't have that technology and people. There's two points of
(19:57):
view here. You either assume that it's impossible and we
don't have the science to make it happen, or you
take the other position, where something's happening and we don't
know how to explain it, but let's accept the fact
that it's here, because if you deny it, you're never
going to get anywhere. But if you say, okay, something's here,
how is that operating? How it's affecting us? So we
(20:19):
need to take that open minded position. Otherwise we're just
like Neil de Grasse Tyson saying, oh, it's it's not real.
It's all like fabrication, it's hallucination.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
It's I absolutely find that the argument that you can't
get there from here as absolutely ridiculous, because one hundred
and fifty years ago you would say you can't get
from the US to Europe in under three months, because
we couldn't get there in under three months, And here
we are just one hundred and fifty years later, and
we can do it in the under three hours on
(20:50):
a concord.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
So that'sactly we can talk to anyone around the world
with your little little device.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Twenty years ago, nobody thought about that except right this
is We're going to take a break.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Alan, we're at the top of here. Let's start getting
on the other side.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Well, come back. We're going to talk with Alan about
his book Making Contact and ask him about the piece
by John Mack, one of my favorites. You're listening to
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal podcast member. We are back on Beyond Contact speaking
(21:35):
with Alan Seinfeld. Hey, Alan, so your book Making Contact
has some of the very top people who research this topic,
and I feel like it does a really good job
of showcasing how there's so many different ways to look
at this phenomenon.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Right, Yes, well, you know I have to say I
met all those people who are who I think are
the top researchers and experiences in the field at going
to contact in the desert. You know, you hang out
for three days, you have dinner of lunch with them,
You see them wrong, you sit by the pool and there.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Should get a royalty for this?
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Is that what you're alluding to. That's fine, well, and
I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I wrote it before actually you were there, but anyway,
but you know, you get to know them. So I
approached this publisher with this idea or some other ideas,
and he says yeah. I said, yeah, I know all
those people. Just call them up and see if they
can write an essay about their research about what it
is to the idea of making contact. So I got
(22:33):
a whole range of views. Because, like we've been saying,
it's a very complex layered subject. So I thought one
essay or just my point of view isn't enough. We
need a multifaceted mosaic. It's like everyone has a piece
of the elephant. So that was the intention behind this
(22:53):
kind of overview, this compilation. And yeah, I got I called.
I knew there was a talk by John Mack that
hadn't been published before, and I called his archivis and
his archives, called the family and said, oh, yeah, there's
this talk, and then we transcribed it and he okayed
(23:14):
it and his family gave me permission to publish that
talk by John matt for the first time. And it
feels so contemporary with the rest of the essays that
were in twenty twenty one. John hasn't been around for
twenty years, but he was such a visionary and understood
why the phenomena tests everyone's everyone's view of reality. I mean,
(23:41):
he's a guy who in influenced Danny she And to
create the Paradigm Institute. You know, John Matt introduced Danny
she into the idea of paradigms. And John Matt got
that from his mentor, Thomas kuhn You know Thomas kuhon Is.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I've heard that name and it's a shame lost Mac
because man, he could have really done so many more
great things in this community.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Well there is, according to Danny She know, if it's
just between you, there's an unpublished manuscript that Danny has
of what John's latest last book was going to be.
It's not published yet, but yeah, he contributed tremendously to
the phenomena and he made it okay as a psychiatrist,
as a professor at Harvard to say it's okay, you've
(24:26):
had those experiences. Well, maybe it's beyond his worldview, but
maybe you're saying something we all need to wake up to.
And obviously they are and still are so he made
it okay, He's such a huge figure in this field.
Every experiencer really owes a debt to him.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I completely agree. Did you notice a common thread or
theme among all these different perspectives from people.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Well, they all mentioned except Nick Pope, the idea of
to left the every essay is even people like Linda
Moulton Howell contributed, or Grand Cameron or the Hurtalks especially,
they all mentioned. So there seems to be the language
of the universe is not verbal, it's telepathic communications. And
(25:18):
of course this is what the telepathy tapes are so
important about. They're showing us really the value and potential
of human consciousness. And when I teach remote viewing, I'm
seeing it all the time. People can tap into the
infinite feel of awareness and this gets us directly in
touch with the consciousness of these beings. And if we
(25:41):
can expand our facility for telepathy, then maybe we can
have a dialogue with these beings, because that's how they
are showing up in people's lives. This is the first
of all the revolution and consciousness, but it's also the
ability to open the doorways to higher levels of et
contact and we have to develop that awareness like die
(26:06):
you can see through her blind folds, or these telepathy tapes.
Kids can read people's minds. We all have that capacity,
we just haven't been taught how to use it. And
what Diane Hennessey Power is saying, because our left brain
is over stimulated with language, it's in the way of
our SI ability. So what I'm excited about is teaching
(26:28):
people remote viewings so they get the impression and we
could telepathically communicate, and we can have a group consciousness
and we become available to this greater consciousness that is
probably talking to us, but we're so busy, you know,
speaking words when not hearing it. So that's really exciting
for me.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Did you happen to those any contradictions between these perspectives?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
There's no. In these eleven essays and twelve VIVI include
George Nori's introduction, each has a little part of like
I said, the elephant, the contradiction, No, there's it's an evolution.
So it's really like we start I start with the outside,
(27:15):
like Nick Pope, the exo, the extern Why is the
government not telling us its secrets? Where are they covering up?
And then they go into the investigators Okay, like people
like Grand Cameron, he's an experience, but what is he
found in his research and all that? And then the
deeper researchers like Linda Moulten, how what has she learned
(27:36):
over thirty and forty years of understanding and looking at
this phenomenon. So it goes, it starts to go into
layers deeper. And then we get to Whitley Strieber and
he's an amazing contactee, right He's like the best in
the bunch. And then from that we go into Mary
Rodwell talking to these kids that have had their own
(27:59):
their born with an awareness. And then I kind of
finished up kind of fast forward through with Carol and Corey,
who's probably the closest thing we have to an et.
Right course, consciousness is really out there. So it is
a progression, so an it's a layering process, I'm not
I mean, there might be subtle contradictions, but everyone's looking
(28:23):
at it from the place they're at, right and they're
looking in terms of their own reference, and they're not
necessarily looking to contradict, They're looking to affirm what they know.
And then the next chapter takes us a little further
and a little deeper into this, you know, and Whitley's
talking about the afterlife stuff and all that.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
So yeah, all that ties into this. You know, even
talking to non speakers, like all of those people are
are speakers who who have written about this topic. What
about just talking to regular contact these or whatever. It's
interesting what a diverse set of experiences people have using
their own lens. And I'm always fascinated by how different
(29:05):
they believe in one thing versus another.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Yeah, that's a big point of contention. You get people
like Chris bloodsoe ye had an experience and he feels
healed from this, and you talk you read the research
of Karla Turner, you know who she was. She felt
they're killing her and they maybe did eventually. So do
you get these two different narratives by experiencers and what's right?
(29:30):
What's wrong?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean, are these two different experiences that have the
same being encounter and interpreted differently or are they visited
by two different quote unquote alien races?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Well, this is why we need all the information up
front for the public to discern that. I think it
really comes back to what Jeffrey Kriipe and other people say.
The phenomena is reflective. It's like if you if you're
a military guy who go out it with weapons, you're
going to have a negative respons to these orbs. But
if you come at it with love and openness, like
(30:04):
Chris Bludsoe, who is a beautiful guy, you're gonna receive
healing and you're gonna help other people heal. So maybe
it's that fine tune to our consciousness that it is
us looking in a mirror of sorts. I don't know,
that's just my that's the best I can understand doing.
Even John Max said, after people get over the trauma
(30:26):
of these abductions or contact, they become more spiritual, they
become more evolved, they move to a higher place of knowing.
So it comes down to is the universal friendly place?
That was a question Einstein post. But it comes down
to are they here for good bad? Is the multiple levels?
Or is it to serve men? Or is it childhood's end?
(30:48):
You know, It's like, sure, we are still having war
on this planet. People are still making war. I mean,
I just one of my favorite quotes is what H. G.
Wells wrote me years after you wrote War of the World.
He said, someday people will look back at an old
newspaper and magazine and think was there ever such a world?
Speaker 6 (31:08):
We've got to take a quick break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on
(31:31):
Beyond Contact speaking with Alan Steinfeld. Ellen. You've been looking
at this topic for a long time now, so today
twenty twenty five, where do you sit? What's your best
guess as to what the source of this might be.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Well, I want to tell you what I'm working on.
I'm trying to understand what we've sort of been talking about,
the abduction phenomena. So you're in your house alone, the
doors are locked, the windows are closed, you're sleeping in bed,
and suddenly there's someone in the room looking at you,
waking up, teleporting you abordership. I mean, we've heard all that.
(32:07):
How does that happen? How do we fit that phenomena
into the worldview that we have, Well, it doesn't fit.
We have to change what we think is possible. That's
why I'm looking at what It's not just quantum physics,
it's more than that. What do we need to know
about the laws of the universe that these beings obviously
(32:31):
know because they've done it probably hundreds of thousands of times,
that we don't know. And how do we break out
of the box of limitation to think something's not possible?
How do we expand this window of awareness? So that's
what I'm sort of obsessed with. How do they plant
thoughts in our brain? What is this thing called consciousness?
(32:55):
And I think when we understand what consciousness really is,
this is a quote Edgar Mitchell said, We're going to
understand the phenomena. We're going to understand our own potential.
That's where I'm at now. I mean, yeah, Joe Despenser
talks about this, A lot of people talk about the
potential of consciousness. Diane Hennessy Powell, I think is a
(33:15):
real leader in the field. We need to understand this
thing that we are in a whole different way. There
needs to be much more of a consciousness revolution, and
that's what I think the phenomena is about on some levels. Yet,
Jock Vile said, I'd be very disappointed it was just
little visitors from another plant showing up, And He's right,
(33:39):
it's much more than that. But we are so locked
into this density we don't know what it. We don't
have the capacity because we've been limited to what we
can think. So that contact in the desert is such
an important event because it gives people a chance to network,
(34:01):
to share ideas, to throw out new possibilities, and to
have a place for it to land. You know. The
Experiencers groups are just fantastic there. But the speakers give
new options, of possibilities, of world views. And we need
to know that the worldview we have has been killing
(34:22):
the earth, killing each other, you know, making it unsustainable.
If we can change what we think is possible, new inventions,
new awarenesses, the ability to understand the greater mind comes online.
(34:43):
And that's really what I'm looking at. How does the
UFO phenomena lead to a greater understanding of us as
human beings or beings part of a galaxy?
Speaker 6 (34:54):
You know?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
One more thing, We've always thought like we live in
a dead universe. Life was just a freak of nature,
This is our Darwinian model. But maybe life is an
emergent property of creation itself, and maybe intelligence and consciousness
is the foundation for all of that. Let's change. If
(35:16):
we have that worldview, what else is possible? It's not
right or wrong. Let's just change our position and how
we're looking at the world and see if we can
create a better understanding of science, physics, and the nature
of reality.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It's interesting the way it's evolved, like even just in
our community, how the way we look at this phenomenon.
I'm sure thirty years ago it was quite different. And
now as you keep bringing up how the side component
seems to be part of this and it definitely seems
to somehow be derivative from consciousness.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Right, Yes, something is happening in general to the side
component and consciousness. It is like the buzzword, even among
scientists who aren't even connected to the UFO phenomena. I
think the UFO phenomena, though, highlights what is possible for consciousness,
because if consciousness is not contained in the brain, which
(36:13):
is what we obviously show in remote viewing and near
death experiences and outer body, then what is this thing
that we really are? And if we are non local,
if consciousness non local, which remote doing proofs, then those
beings whoever they are, also have a non local consciousness
(36:34):
and we become we start to realize we're part of
a cosmos where related to this infinite field of awareness
and we have access to it, and that we're immortal,
that whoever we are, you know, is greater than the body.
And I in my class, I say, it's like a
radio way coming in and with the radio breaks, it
(36:56):
doesn't mean the signal has stopped.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Even people like Russell Bergh and Max Playing, these guys
said that consciousness survives death. And I find that best.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Russell was my remote dealing teacher. I sat down with him.
He said, I'm going to show you how to do this,
and that tape is still on YouTube and has like
a quarter million views. And I and I'm teaching what
Russell taught me because he was one of the founders there,
and I knew how to put off. I had met
Ingo Swan who lived around the corner from me in
(37:27):
New York, so I knew the founding fathers. Let's say,
of the phenomena.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Hey, outside of this book you put together, do you
have a favorite or let's say, most convincing account that
you've heard about a non human encounter non human intelligence?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
A favorite? Well, I have my own write about in
the book where I was somehow taking a board or
I was driving cross country with his girlfriend. We stopped
by the side of the road and we just passed
out and we woke up in the same position. We
went to bed, and we like, and who remembers that
(38:04):
I don't remember, and it's like and I called him
when I was writing this book and I had talked
to him like maybe twenty years I said, you remember
that night we drove and she said, oh, yeah, the
night were frozen. Yes, And it's like, yes, she remembered
exactly I remember. And then I actually discovered the next
day I had a mark on the back of my
leg four prong puncture mar And coincidentally, when I got
(38:26):
back to New York, I started to meet Bud Hopkins
people and I said, when is this thing here? And
they go, oh, that's an abduction. It's like nothing.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
It did two things. It totally freaked me out because
I didn't remember it, and it made me obsessed from
nineteen eighty seven to this day with what happened to me?
What's going on? What's this all about? And it just
sucked me down the rabbit hole and I'm still down
that rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Well, I liked if someone was with you and had
the same experience that.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Least, Yes, I know it was actually our meeting seemed
like it was divinely connect like Eve Logren talks about
that love bites where people are set up in meetings.
So yes, Well, it's about looking at what we consider
impossible within our worldview, and how they the phenomena is
(39:16):
challenging us to go beyond what we thought was possible.
How do we stretch our minds to what the name
of my show is New Realities? What does it mean
to have a wider perception of what exists? How to
see fields of energy, how to connect with beings that
aren't visible or we're not taught to be here. So
(39:38):
it's about perception, you know, like I show in my
classes where that that that little clip of the people
passing the basketball and there's a gorilla walking through, you know,
and I say the same thing. You know, there are
probably beings around us right now, but we're not saying
because our perceptions haven't been trained to see it. You
(40:00):
only see what you've been trained to see and condition
to see, and if something else comes along, there's no
place to put it. Well, that's what the UFO phenomena
is about. Two people can be looking at the sky.
You know that one person can see it, another person can.
So it comes down to perception when I'm writing about
and how do we upgrade our perception to see more
(40:24):
of what reality is? And that is a daily practice
and it's becoming as noticing what you notice and don't
go unconscious. It's Youngian theory is involved with this, you know,
there's a deep level of perceptual theory. Cognitive science is
involved with this. How do we expand our neural nets
(40:45):
of awareness is also what Joseph bend is talking about.
So I'm taking all this research and apply it to
the phenomena. So finally we can make contact and go
beyond contact and have an interface perhaps with these beings.
That's very cool.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
That sounds like a great approach and look forward to that.
You can find Alan at Newrealities dot com. You can
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