A Mixed Bag of Tricks

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Fin Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Welcome to another episode of
the Black Fat Finn Podcast. We're all the intersections of identity.
I celebrated. I'm one of your hosts. John. Also, don't
ask doctor John Paul and I need some of the
listeners to do some heavy reporting for me after this episode. So,

(00:26):
as you all know, we are a fan of the
pumpkin around these parts, it is still we're still in October,
so fed begs a very important question. Who has been
who or who has the best pumpkin item? And what

(00:48):
I mean by that is, so we've all had the FRAPs,
I've done the lattes. I've even dabbled in the pumpkin
muffins from the place that we shall not name that
will get us canceled. I even saw the other day
that McDonald's has an apple and pumpkin pie. Don't know
what that tastes like. Wasn't willing to spare the calories

(01:11):
or the sugar intake for that. I looked at it
and I said, could I do that? Yes? But do
I really need to do? Like? Do I need to
have my sugars all you know all over the place
for for one pumpkin pie and so so if any
of you have had that, please report back. But I
also would like to know before I spend my hard

(01:33):
earned black quail dollars, who has the best pumpkin what?
And should we try it on air together? That that
is that is the million dollars question, real question. Should
we try it together?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Will have the time?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yes for the book talk? Yes, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Can make a little morning out of it. We could
try try some pumpkin things together.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
So I drive down early on the seventeenth. Yes. So
so for those of you who have been listening to
the show, you know that me and Joho are doing
a book talk together on the eighteenth in Mey or Mesa,
San Diego, California. The information will be in the show flow.
We will are not show flow will be in the
show show notes. That's what I meant to say. It's early, y'all,

(02:22):
and so what we so we will put that in
the show notes. But ultimately, yes, that is a great
day for us to get together. I think recording person.
I'll bring all, bring all my stuff and we can
record in person and we could probably just do a
total food episode like a muck thang situation. Yes, that

(02:42):
sounds like so much fun.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Also because I can, I can show you the work
of pumpkin pie that's not a chain, and I scream yes,
because you know, like I think, it comes to who
has the best.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You can't be going to the brand. You gotta go
to the local eateries.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Someplace, some place doing the syrup.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
But some places you want, you you want like you
want they Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You gotta know.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Some people do a sweet potato, some people do a
maple spikes, some people do a pumpkin cree cold foam,
which that.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Is the you. You mentioned this before, So I'm gonna
need to get my hands on that because, like I said,
I'm going up a number on the old ZIMPI. So
I'm I'll be able to handle it. It may not
taste the same, but I know that I'll be able
to handle it. Yes, God, but how are you, my
beautiful queen?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Okay, okay, because I'm a limited Loveseabi Jordan ak Jo
and I am coming to you decaffeinated as how.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Today and I just want to let you all know
we are on season. Have a twenty twenty. Tell me
I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong. We're on season five
and twenty twenty and a change, bitch ashan change.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
We here we are COVID still getting people, girl up
out of here. Sad. Yeah, it is locked up in
my tower. That part, that part, it's very much giving.
And then it's just and then you read the news
and it's just everything is terrible.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Everything is terrible.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Everything still shut down.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Uh huh, why we're still shut down?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Make it, make it happen.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
What's happening every day? It's different every day. Every day.
It's a winding road. We're just a little bit closer.
What a moment. But anyway, before we begin the show today,
we want to thank everyone for their Signal Award votes.

(04:53):
I know for many of you, by the time you
hear this, the voting will be half will have closed,
but so we definitely just wanted to say up top
that we thank you. It means the world to us
that you voted for us, and more than that, we
don't know the results yet, but once we do, we'll
share them with y'all. And even even when we win,
we are going to celebrate loudly. But yeah, if the

(05:15):
cards are not in our favor, this time. It just
means so much to know that we were even recognized,
And you know, I'm just really just really grateful and
really thankful. So just wanted to say that up top. Yeah,
we love y'all so much.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
We're still thinkingful for your support and so so so
sad for whatever happens.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
But fingers crossed up.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
We uh, we need to walk through those beautiful gates
of a victory.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes, yes, victory, victory yes yes.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So since it's just us growth today, we don't keep
it alive, especially because we need to to on our girl,
miss Sushi Campbell, who grew. We haven't heard the show yet.
Please come on the show and listen to us soon.
We honor you every motherfucking week and are still here.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Set.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'm opposing a little spiritual question for us. But times
the episode comes out, it will be the day after
the Jewish holiday of Sukote. It's a week long holiday,
one of the most joyous holidays in the Jewish calendar.
This holiday celebrates the fall harvest, represents themes such as change, movement,
and the ephemeral or the temporary. Holiday honors the divine
protection that God gave the Israelites during their forty years

(06:23):
traversing the desert in exile, we had to spend forty
years in the desert. We decided to spend for years
in the desert cause we love the drama of it all.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yes, yes, okay. And we build.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Sukas or temporary shelters to present the temporary shelters that
they made up for themselves along the journey. So what
does the temporary teach us? Where are we harvesting us?
Which is a transition to this new season? These are
some of the questions that fail our plate during this time.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
So for this week still here, I.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Want to ask you, John, as someone who has had
quite a big change in their life and now becoming
an authorats, what do you want to harvest for yourself?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I want you to answer first.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yes. So in the words of Beyonce, if she says,
if you think you think, you better think again you
is this up way bigger you a bigger That is
what I manifesting for myself in this harvest season, you know.
So it's funny because the harvest has been something that's
constantly coming up for me in the last couple of weeks.

(07:26):
So shout out to a friend of mine, my friend.
I call her Big Reach, but her name is Risha.
I've known Risha for years, and we were texting each
other back and forth, and one of the conversations that
we were having was talking immediately this and I don't
know if this was inspired because of the harvest moon
we just had, but we were talking about harvest and

(07:47):
we were both kind of going back and forth about
what our lives has been like since our time, because
so giving some folks some context. So for a lot
of you who do and don't know, I used to
actually work. I was on contract with Twitter from twenty
eight teen to twenty twenty one. And when I was
doing some work with and that's when I met Risha
and we were talking about the harvest of our lives,

(08:07):
you know, since you know, she left Twitter and then
you know, my contract was dissolved with Twitter and all
that to be said, you know, I just feel like
we've both been out in the field. We've been plowing,
and we've been you know, trying to watch a lot
of our the fruits of our labors per se grow.
For her, it's been her job and her kids and
her you know, her family, And for me, it's it's

(08:29):
been much of that. It's been trying to build this show,
it's been the book, it's been you know, trying to
get as much publicity or coverage around the book. So
there's just that there's been a lot of work. And
when I say the word bigger, it's not to seem
not to seem not to I don't say bigger in
the sense of I'm not grateful for what I have.
I think you can be grateful for what you have

(08:51):
but also want more. And I think that that's where
my heart is right now, you know, not just in
terms of my jobs and this career, but I'm also
thinking friendships, life, you know, I want you know, I
would love to do more traveling with my partner. You know,
these are all the bigger things, you know, having more
residual income so I can go travel and do things

(09:11):
when me and him have time off, you know. I
just I think happiness is something that I'm really being
intentional about, trying to make moments with people where I
can truly be happy, you know, not not wasting time,
you know. And I think folks can can probably read
between the lines when I say, you know that I

(09:32):
want more and I need more, because there are folks
who claim to be doing things for me, and I
don't know if that's true, but I think just the
expectation is bigger now. It's like I need folks to
hear this and to understand that because I've done the work,
I want more. And so you know, now I'm requesting that,
I'm asking more out of friendships, out of people, out

(09:54):
of anybody around me. You know, the expectation is more.
And so I don't know if that makes sense. I
don't know. I was going around in circles, but you know,
I'm just in the mind of I'm harvesting, and you know,
I'm not fuck a grape. You know, I want a watermelon,
goddamn it, like I want I want something with the juices.
I want something I can bite into, put a little,

(10:16):
put a little.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Fal be and sweet and juice, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Funky and chunky or the chunky fun well one it
does make sense. And also, and God makes sense. Nobody
else besides you in the first place, like and not,
we're not to understand it. And that's okay, I think
for me. You know, it's interesting because I I had bought,
I had bought last week, I bought.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
A little like kale plant.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Not but I went to an event and part of
the event was that there giving way free like little
like produce plants. So I got a little kale plant
and I and I like, I went to the nursery.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I I like, I pought it my self pretty much
bigger plot because it's just there's a small little box.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
And that kale in the past week and a half
went from like three little leaves to that like seven leaves,
like the bitch is roaring fast, like when I see
all day I'm like green granada, and then next where
I'm like, damn, where the which come from? And so
I think, like you know, when I'm when I'm I'm
harvesting for myself, it is that the concept of growth
when I'm harvesting is like is like the idea that

(11:27):
with the right attention right so on right water, like
you can grow or I can grow hugely. I think
I'm trying to harvest like a bigger growth of like
I think for sure, like like a diversification of like
what I do, especially online. I think I've been resistant
to doing more stuff online because I don't like, I

(11:51):
don't want I don't want to be like A.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I know it's hard.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Like I think I've I resisted the term influence over
so long because I because it doesn't align. It's like
me and yeah, that's there's the values, but also like
none of it is real, so like why it's like
why is that mentally resisting so much? Like that, like
it's just like a thing like so much, you know,

(12:14):
Like now I have a partnership with Thebletics, which.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Is really cool and big.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Like againest just like we have like an actual brand
partnership in that way, and so I'm like gintly just
like just lean in, like lean into it, like and
and I think I think I think I always view
it as I don't want that to one dimensionalize me
if I do that. But now I'm realizing, like when
I'm harvesting, is that I'm inherently multi dimensional and I

(12:42):
don't have to prove that. I don't have to validate
that or explain that, like I can do all the things.
And I think I think I'm also I think I'm
also trying to harvest or you know or like like
maybe like because as a harvest is like it's like
it's like you pull stuff off, you pull stuff, not
just so you harvest, but also because you pull stuff

(13:03):
so you can also have things grow again, right, like
you pool the.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Weeds about it, Yeah, get the weeds about there.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know it's the things already grown you got. You
gotta cut it down, take it out that way can
grow again. So I think I'm also trying to figure
out the ways to like harvest and make space for
just like changes.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Like I think, I think this year.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Is a year where I'm going to consider what I
want to do with my condo and figure that out.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
And like and like you.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Know, we've we've been in the department for this our
third year. Now, I'm kind of like ready for something different,
so like you know, like harvesting change in the sense
of new space, new experiences.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, a lot, a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Of thoughts, a lot of thoughts.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
So I'm hard, So I'm part of myself. I'm hard
harvesting for myself, like the space, like the space to ponder,
a space we curious in the space to change because
I hate change. I really hate change. Like I realized
I don't love I love change in my pocket.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well how about that in the world.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I love changing my life And I'm trying to go
on reginal space to say, no, what changes.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Change is inevitable. So I got I got to go
with it.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, now that I got your ready to say seba
Shalon and hog some mac for the first time in
your life, we got to take our first break.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's the category is in Justice seven.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
So we are back, and this week we want to
keep it fun and funky and talk about the thing
we both love a lot. Man. No, no, no, no,
that's a different episode, honey. This week we are talking
about some of our favorite black characters on Hella Vision,
whether we watch them now or watch them yesteryear. But

(15:06):
you know, we want to get into a broader conversation
about representation before we link up next week to talk
about my book and the importance of queer representation. Are
you doing it right?

Speaker 6 (15:16):
You see you can see the connection when this episode
then we get to the yeah, yeah we do.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, we be thinking.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Our minds, our minds. Yes, we've been thinking our minds.
So with that being said, I wanted to start by
asking you, baby, who is one of your favorite black
characters in comedy TV and how might that character have
changed your scope on life? So I'll start and then
I'll throw it to you. I will say for me,
I think one of the characters that sticks out for

(15:46):
me that will always be like, my favorite character is
Pam from Martin. I just I don't know how much
of a Martin fan you were, but I know for me,
Martin was a very much a huge staple in our household,
to the point that like even still now, my friends
group will still quote it, like they're still quote from
Martin around me. My family like me and my mommy

(16:07):
and my brother like will quote Martin back and forth
to each other. Even though the show and I want
to I want to name the show is and was
very problematic in a lot of ways, the show did
have a lot of you know, there was just a
lot of comedic gold in that show and so but
Pam as a character was a part of that comedic
goal for me. And so, you know, outside of dealing

(16:28):
with the massages and noir and you know, the ship
that she had to deal with from Martin and Tommy.
I love Pam because I felt like she stood her ground.
She never let Martin get too far. Uh, she supported
her best friend like she was. It still is. I
think even in the show, right, Pam and Gina weren't
real people. But seeing the way that Tashina supports her

(16:52):
best friend, you know, and and and and really making
sure that you know she in real life. You know,
Gina in real life is is is sorted and knows
that she has a friend. It just it means a
lot to me. And so now you know, I could
be biased and say I love to Shina Arnold as
an actress. In anything she touches, I think it's gold
because I think she's just not only is she funny,

(17:14):
I think she's real. I also think there's just an
element of her that is is what when you when
you see someone who has studied their craft and they
know their craft and they know what they're good at.
To Sheena Arnold is one of those people for me.
And so yeah, and I mean even thinking about oddly enough,
Rochelle from Everybody Hates Chris is also up there with me.
Right Obviously she's saying to Shine Arnold plays her right.

(17:37):
But just the idea of to Shina Arnold and Pam
and how strong she was as a character, it just
it really makes me happy to know that that character
exists in the you know, black television continuum if that
makes sense, or Cannon, I should say what about you Booth.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
You know, first off, say just just just about Pam,
Like I think she was dope because she also like
always went to Tole Martin, like she never let him
like like like to your point about the massage noir,
she still she still like even though even though it
was like it was but the joke in some cases,
like she never let him walk walk over her. Nope,
And I'm like respect for my girl, Pam, My girl Pam,

(18:20):
I think and I and I will always say Kemed
different insecures are my favorite characters of all time.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yes, I just think like.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Like and like you know and like and some things
were the same the same thing like the but other
joke in some ways. But she really there were really
tender moments where she showed that she was so much
more than that now, Like I really really really loved
seeing her. I think also like just like seeing like
seeing somebody who like was like like like was Sash

(18:50):
is visity plus size in that way yeah and b
and and be like I'm like absolutely absolutely like her
full Southern confident every in every way and not let
anyone tell her she can't be ship, like I just
like She's like, no, I can be the ship, bitch,
and I will be the ship.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And I live so very much, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I I think she changed my skip on life because
I think it changed to like how I was, like,
I can see I can take things less seriously and
like and like make myself more fun that way, and
like not like the not for the sense of like
make myself fun for performance, but just be like naturally
fun like naturally fun and funny. And she like like
she's just a funny ass bitch in the show just

(19:34):
said some wild things and I.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Just I just I really live for her. I also
will say I also give my.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Girl jack Hey, Harry, oh yes, yes we have toister.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
We also got to me. Yeah, we also got to
give Sandra sister, Sandra Clark her fathers as well.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Like I just I just like I just live, I
just really really love but like like I also don't believe.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
And she is like was like like the best.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Katchers ever grew up with. I just I was just
like just like so funny.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
She was so so I don't know if you saw
not to cut you off, But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
If you she was the aunt in the what's it called?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Another show? No, I was gonna say, in my mind,
she was the aunt you could come out to. Oh yeah,
that's what I was gonna say. I did a whole and.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
She was to member and she was imposed she was
and she was not. She was the aunt that that
that I come out to. Yes, I for sure think
that exact thing. She'd an they would come out to
and like you and like like she she was, she
would like have.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
All the right things to say, but you know she
loves you.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
She's also the aunt that would come up and be like,
you look bad today, but like she would she would say,
because she was like, I know you could be the best,
so like.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Don't like, don't don't be this when you could be
the best.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I just I live, and I like I always, I
just like, just like the way she has things was
so fucking funny.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I guess I live for I'm.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Curious to ask you though, so then because I feel like,
you know, I feel like we're really talking about in
like black shows, right.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeh, what was your favorite black character being a non.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Black comedy show? Okay, okay, for me, I'm thinking of.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Captain Raymond Holt and Brooklyn nine nine. I don't know
if you watch that show, it's like it's really silly
yeamb with with his what's his face?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Andy Samberg?

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I think Aye Samberg is so cute. He's something about him.
I think so too.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, when I see him, I'm like, know what maybe
I do like an she wish boy?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah about this just so cute. I think he's he
gets me out.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I do love him, but I think like he plays
nothing but dead pan, like that man is like deadpan character,
dry as hell, like talks just like this responds just
so so funny, but like but also love because he
like he he he alays like he's a captain and
he's gay in the police force. And it's like, I

(22:08):
know sometimes it's like it's like I actually love to
just see like a boring black game.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Like I think it's like sometimes amazing. Yeah, sometimes you
just need to be a born black, a boring black gay,
Yes very much. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, Like I think like he represents something that like you,
you just don't see her or expect and I think
and and like he doesn't change, like he's just the
same uh huh character, And so yeah, I live.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
He reminds me a lot, so I did. I this
show is not my show, but I know a lot
of people who love the Office. He reminds his character
from what clips I saw, reminds me a lot of
the black character from the Office who's just very I forget.
I don't know what his name is, but I know
he's very stoic, and he just you know, always they

(22:53):
would say things to him and he would always have
a very just kind of blank response. Yes, yeah, I
don't know what is his name, because again we got
to we got to say the name of of of
black folks and non black shows. But yes, what was
his name? Stanley? Yes, it was Stanley, very very much

(23:18):
given Stanley, and I still to this day love like
the clips that I see of Stanley. I love because
I recognize and I know that a lot of these characters,
and that's what a lot of people if you talk
about non black shows that you know, like for instance,
even thinking Abbott Elementary, you know, Quenta has gone on
to say in very and many of her interviews that

(23:38):
that show is very much inspired by the Office, and
so you know, in a lot of ways, I forget
what his name is in real life, but I know
the character that plays her love interest on that show
is Yeah. In a lot of ways, Gregory is. Gregory's
character is inspired by Stanley's character, and so.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
You know, I because I was I was curious, I
want to put on here, But then I was like,
I don't know if it's a because that's a black
block show show, because that's a black lead.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
So I would I would, yeah, very much that, but
I would say, like very much, A giv him that
and and may he rest well? Character Raymond Holt, but
also I think his name is Andre in real life.
May he rest well? He was in a lot of
other stuff that I like. He's one of those characters
you didn't know, but you when you saw him, you

(24:30):
knew him. You would do the whole like the Leonardo
DiCaprio point, like, oh I know him. That's what type
of character he was. But I know for me, I
know that he died. Oh my yeah, he paid he
passed in twenty twenty three. Girl, I didn't not know that.
Oh my god, yeah, oh my god, yeah, breaking news.
He passed. Oh yeah. He's up there with the with

(24:52):
the Great Honey. He's up there with Whitney and Bob,
and it will not Bobby. But he's up there with Whitney,
He's up there with Lutha, He's up there with a
lot of Yes. Yes, he said officially gagged. I'm so
sorry to break that news to you. I broke that
to you in your real time followed apart, but I

(25:14):
was gonna say for me, So, Titus and Ramaon is
one of my favorite black characters from a non black show,
The Unbreakable Kemmy Schmidt. Now, yes, that show was also
problematic in some ways, but what I will say is
that there was something so seriously unseerious about that character.

(25:35):
From many of his one liners, like some of the
stuff that he would say and do, I was like why,
Like why is this nigga sitting in the living room
shucking corn? And overall like why is he doing this?
Like this? I would watch this show and like a
big part of it would be like why. But I
also under you can't, like none of it makes sense.

(25:58):
But at the same time, it's like the scene when
he stole the choir robe, like why did you? Why
did you do that? Like it's just this show in
itself is so foolish. Yeah, it was so necessary. And
what I love is that a lot of the characters
on that show they have like you said, I think
the dead pant comedy is what makes that show so

(26:22):
funny because it's like moments that were not support like
even with him when he did the whole the whole
episode around Lemonade, like would why is he skipping down?
You know what he gets?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
He's a vibe of like he epitomizes or body say,
do it for the plot, Like his renovation as a
character is just doing it for the plot.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
And I think that it's all actually is.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
A revolutionary because like black folks are are aren't given
that aren't given that space.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
That show it's just like.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
What is going on here? Yeah? That is literally every
time I watch, even when I watch reruns of it.
Sometimes I'll just randomly put it on when I need
to laugh and I'll just be like, what is really
going on here? And Kenny didn't make it any better?
Like like she never made anything better. But that show
is so stupidly funny and it is very much my

(27:11):
kind of humor because I love stupid humor. I really do.
I love when what is this? Like that is my
favorite thing. But yeah, I do have a more serious question,
I guess you know we were talking about and I
think this is why I love bringing these conversations up
because obviously we know that you know, media, TV, television
and all that. It's funny. I went to dinner with

(27:32):
a friend to the show Trevelle last night, and that
was the conversation we had. You know, is Hollywood dying?
And you know, yes, a lot of us feel that
it is, but specifically thinking about black Hollywood, right this
idea of black television and the stories that black TV had.

(27:52):
You know, I think for me, the question that I
really wanted to ask you is how did any of
these characters are any other characters for that matter, what
characters helped you shape your perception of blackness? And I
think this is like I said, this is the combo
me and Trevelle were having, you know, I had said
last night, and you know, I want to say here.

(28:13):
I know, for me, I think I've been saying this
for years and so many different generations. We need more
black TV because so much of what is happening to
us in real life we saw portrayed on television and
it was like, oh, at least there's there's an element
of my life being shown to me. Even if I

(28:35):
know this is faith, there's still something in this television show.
I mean obviously, right, Like I as an adult, I
hate Moesha, but I think about a lot of episodes
of Mosha. Mosha was a young black girl growing up
in Los Angeles, and there were a lot of things
happening to Mosha that I could say as a teenager,
I could look back on and go, oh, that that
shit happened to me, right like, it was stuff that

(28:56):
was even though I wasn't a young black girl how
you do it? But there are still moments, right. I
think about the Family Matters episode when Eddie got caught
the N word by the police officer, like that that
that's a real I mean that was the nineties, but
it was a real thing, right it was. It was
stuff that was happening, you know. I go back to
the Fresh Prince episode. I don't know if you've ever

(29:17):
seen that episode where Will's father randomly just shows up
out of the blue and they have the little fallout
that they do and Will is out there screaming why
didn't he love Why did my father love me? That episode,
I will say, was very Hard is still to this
day very hard for me to watch because it's so
real for me in the sense of, like I don't

(29:38):
have a relationship with my father, and even though I
know it's fiction, it's really reminding me that, you know,
my lived experience is real and that there are a
lot of people out here who are vying for love
for someone who may not or probably won't ever give
it to them the way that they want it. And
so yeah, just you know, I don't know if there's
any like what show in that and stands out to you?

(30:01):
Is there a show that has shaped your blackness as
a whole? You know?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
I would say it's a tie between two of them,
but I should say that I'm kind of like I
like even like like three of them.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Like I I.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Mean like I was, I was more of a disny
kid than I was like like uh Nikka Knight kid
or something, you know, like but so.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Like that that's the Riven to me.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Is one of like one of my favorite block shows
ever and like and like like why like why white person?
To me, like that's Raven is a block show, like
this is a show is a box show.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
But and I feel like.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
It was like like just a I mean one people
need to do studies on Raven's comedy style, like like
The Girl. The Girl's just funny, like and I think
it was, and for that show was like the space
to be silly, Yeah, to us be silly and do

(31:02):
outland and stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
But then but then.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Also like there are so many like there's a one episode,
there a few episodes like where like a dealt with racism,
which I think for Disney was like a really big
deal at that at that moment in time right likely
especially was to show that's for like kids or young teens,
and I appreciate Evey shot away from that, like experiencing
racism when they came to employment, and I thought that

(31:27):
was really powerful. I also think, and this is maybe
interesting interesting, but like Empire and Insecure more shows that
I think we're doing the most formative times of my
life as I grew up, right, And like Empire is
such a specific portrayal of blackness.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's a very like lu lucious LUs like.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Its supposed to be mentioned in her bag, but like
you know, like like like you like like he interested
and has then like beating up one of her sons
with a broomstick like you have people shooting each other.
It's out and like Philly like right like like but
like for example, like like like me and my sister
watched the show. We just each other every every week

(32:14):
for like the first few seasons until we all do
too much russ. But like it ken with because like
that show is like like yeah, it really. It's like
people will say like that show was a stereotype or
or dramatized.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'm like no, like like this is really, this is really.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
This is people with my family.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I know these characters, right, I know you know that's
like yeah, like I know these people lucious exactly, like.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I know these people. I see them all the time.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I see them all the time in the day I said,
I see them all the time like in my family
the all time, Like like like show to me, like
that was like a and like you know and like
if they like even and they talked a lot about
and I will say what I appreciate the show is
that it's a lot about like being your blackest self
in a in a roomful of white people and not
taking like and not taking like not not taking a

(33:09):
ship of my folks right because they have to because
they own it as well too, and so I love.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
That And and then then in Secure, it was like.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Such a relivable millennial hit like you and like each
character like you also know each character, like right, like
you know a Tiffany a Mental's character, right this like
this like bougie black girl, you know Kelly this like
this is this is this guy?

Speaker 2 (33:32):
This is like immensely competent.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Not Alasha don't bother the service, but she got for
things deep down, right, you know, like like you know
Amali a girl who is like sophisticated, has high standards,
work really hard because she she has some improved you
know who's like right right like like like like like
you you know every character like not like these are

(33:55):
really great raisations of blackness, right And and I think
that's your point, like being black in La for that show.
I think they like the show is equally love letter
to to to La and Black La to to Lamire
Park in Inglewood, Like it's it to me, Like that's
a show that I really feel like shaped how I

(34:15):
want to be as a white person, right, especially for me,
it's like to be a black person living in Los
Angeles County during this show and it's prime. It's like, oh,
I'm seeing the places that she's showing and I'm getting
inspission to go to these places as well too, And
I just think that was just so so dope. So yeah,
those two for sure, right, you know, I think one
thing I want to get into with you is especially

(34:36):
now that block television it's almost non existent, right, Like
we are losing our black shows. And it's rich because
it's it's it's like I think, like like we're losing
them for the for the like for the We're losing
them in the exchange of more black representation on non
block shows.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
But I also missed.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
The black shows.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
But so how do we get presentation beyond what we
see on TV if it's not being given to us?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, this is Yeah, this is a tough question. I
mean I obviously I knew this question was going to
come up, and I still don't have an answer, Like
I don't think I have a timely I know it's
a very timely question. I know many of us are
basically And it's cool because I think, you know, we're
seeing more content pop up in different spots, right, We're

(35:21):
seeing more TikTok influencers pop up. We're seeing more podcasts
pop up, right, We're seeing more even podcasts like Black
People of Paramore and all of these different shows that
are like very much probably didn't start out as you know,
a black specific conversation per se doing more black content

(35:44):
or doing more things that are focused on blackness or
black culture. And so I think that for me has
been where I'm saying folks should lean. You know. I
used to be one of those girls that would you know, oh,
we need more representation and TV and it has to
happen on television. But what I'm learning very quickly is representation,
you know. I mean I even think about me being
a huge fan of scam scam goddess, right, like the

(36:06):
fact that Lacey has created this whole cannon around scams,
and because I'll be transparent and saying I love scams.
I think scams are interesting. I love reading about them,
I love watching them, especially when there's like a documentary
when someone comes up to me and is that girl,
have you heard about this documentary about the scam? Hell, yeah,
I have, I'm in it. I love a scam, and

(36:27):
so it's it's it that for me is what I
think we have to start thinking about in terms of representation.
You know, I've realized, you know me, representation can happen anywhere,
and I think, you know, I just think we're at
a place now where TV, specifically television and film, and
as someone who once was shopping a show around and

(36:49):
was trying to get a show sold, I just I
don't necessarily think that television and film is going to
be the place in the space that gives us the
representation that we want. And even and I know there
are a lot of people who are like, oh, if
you want it, you have to create it, And so
that's kind of what I feel like we've done, right,
We've created uh, you know, it may be a niche following,

(37:10):
but I think black fat femine itself has kind of
created this this this universe right that meaning both can
live in and we invite people into and whether they're black,
fat or whether they're black, whether they're not, whether they're
fat or not, like whatever the case may be, We've
created a world where black people can see themselves and
hear themselves and hear their experiences like this, and it

(37:32):
feels okay. But I think, you know, gone are the
days of TV being the representation, and so I'm in
the mind of we have to find it another means,
write the book, read the book, start the podcast, get
the podcast sold, you know, TikTok is, you know, even
though that's fleeting, right, and we're starting to see that
kind of follow fall apart. I just think that we're

(37:52):
gonna have to think. I think we have to redefine
what black representation means going forward, because I don't think
what once and I think this is industry industry wide,
what was once something we leaned into for representation is
not the thing that's giving us representation anymore, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
So I feel that, I mean, I will say this
is the one plus I'll give social media that it
has ability to see many more black folks in different subcultures.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
And I think I think part of it.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Is that there's also like I think there's like a
leaving of like of like of like the grand thing.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Like I think we used to just feel like.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
We only saw ourselves on the big screen then like
that and like that was, but now we're saying that
it doesn't as much anymore.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
We want to see yourselves on just the big screen.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I think seeing people like to your for right, black
people are paramore seeing the black forager that I don't know. Example,
there's this black DJ who is just like fun like
fun mixes. It's it's it's it's always like imagine your
DJ plays and your wedding or something, right like it's
just like fun mixes, right, Like, like I think that

(39:08):
is what is really, that's what it's like, showing us
that there's so much more. There's so much more for
us now. I think that to me is really really
amazing to see and that we because like because because
like before I think like before like the wave was,
we just see see more black people in like lead roles,

(39:28):
right like that was. And now we're like, okay, we know,
we know that there are and the end that there
can be.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Now when you see the back people.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
Actually loved doing everything else too that part, right, Yeah,
we girl that WHISKI know what that Honestly, I actually
I should say that I've never like given that thought
because like one of my.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
So this this sounds like it sounds bad.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
But like wh whenever you laugh like that, I know
it's gonna be funny, but it's gonna be bad.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
It's not, it's not bad, Like it's just it's just
it's just like because like like like like whene when
of my when I like when my best friends since
preschool is Kenyan, but it sounds very much like it's
not very much like my best friend's black, like like.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Like but like isn't it's.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
You know, it's parents from Kenya. But growing up, like
we went like we went, we went on.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
We'd go on trips together like almost every year in
the winter to Tahoe, and like him and his mom
skied right and like and and like like to like
to me, it's like normal, but I realized that people
were like black folks ski right. I'm like, oh, that's
such a good point, like black folks ski right, And
and what was That's interesting? Right because like his black

(40:48):
and my black are different black right, like like like
like like like his is like Kenyan black, very catholic
they like very like like the culture is different than
like my American southern black, like like southern slave black right,
Like it's just.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
It's it's I hated here but.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Like you know, but you know, but like like like
like our influences and blackness are so different, but like
you know and like like I like I want I
went to public school.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
He went to private school, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
So different things, but like I like said, I'm like, oh,
like I think about like how actually really like dope
it is to have had that like ready to have
witness like black ohlk skiing since I was a kid,
because to.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Me, it was never it wasn't a thing.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, but people are just now finding out the black
folks and I'm like that is so true or like
like like me and him, would you like swim lessons?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
We're and stuff together, right, Like black who swimming?

Speaker 3 (41:41):
So it's you know, so it's like it's like I
have a deep appreciation for how normalizing these things were
for me growing up, but also realizing that people don't
think that people do those things. And now with the
right social media, a plus is that we can see.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yea, and that really is amazing.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
To your point before we go to commercial, I was
gonna say, like, even I follow a lot of black
people with cats. That has been a big for me,
as you know, I love black people and cat content.
And I've mentioned this on the on the show Befes,
but that's also been a thing for me. I heard,
you know, for years, black people don't have animals black
people don't like cats, And I'm like, actually, there is

(42:16):
a whole there's a whole side of Instagram, a whole
side of reals, the whole side of TikTok when nothing
but black people talking about what it's like to get
a cat owner. And I love it. I absolutely love it.
I love it. Also listeners don't want don't come for me.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
But being like oh, Joran, like Johah says, Jonah says,
here's a lot of friend bitch black.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Know we we both have a lot of I sometimes
I look around like I have a lot of black
friends that I love. I know that's right. It's my circle.
It's my circle. It's very diverse. I love it. I
love that for you and I love that for us.
I know that's right. With that being said, now that
we have left you all questioning whether you're living single

(42:59):
or insecure, we're going to take a quick break and
come back with more show back.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
In a second.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
So for this weeks, for what's popping, we want with
a little more substance.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Then should he or should he not?

Speaker 3 (43:18):
And ask the question what does bad Bunny being asked
perform say to the systems that be at a time
like this, I don't.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I don't know what I type there. So basically the
question is what does yes, what is it? What does
it mean? What? What what's the cultural impact of this?
What's the big what is the cultural impact? Yes? Basically
is what we're trying to ask. I just want to
be on record. John Tray set me up. I'm sorry,

(43:49):
I'm so sorry because I did type this part up.
I'm so sorry. But what is the culture impact? Yes?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Okay, So in first I'll put that right, like, like
John and I are not Latinae people, so like we're
not speaking on behalf of them of a community. We're
answering for like like like from a black perspective of
what this what this feels like?

Speaker 1 (44:08):
One?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I think it's really amazing. Like I don't think there's been.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Well well, I mean should care, but I have there
have been someone who like who like who like only does.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Particularly Spanish music.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I'm amazing Spanish and has done that on a platform
like this, right because I think I'm like that the
super Bold too. But she gave her songs that were
you know, made for made for like English consumption. And
let's also discuss like right, like being there for the
male gaze because that is what the super Bowl in
the day is all about, right, And so I think

(44:44):
it's amazing to bad Bunny because because like right, like
he like and I love his essonal joke of like,
if you don't know what I just said, you have
four months figured out? Like I love that, Like he's
leaning into saying like I'm not I'm I'm not here
to try and I'm not here to placate you. I'm

(45:05):
here to like let you all know that. I like,
like I'm gonna do I'm gonna do you are you
should be down?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Are stopping? It's been interesting.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
It's been sad seeing the reactions from people were basically
from like conservative people who one are like I just look.
People are like, he's not American, and I'm like, but
you do know that he live in Puerto Rico, right,
is a US territory.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
I every day he can't be mad, you know that? Right?
You agree connosation is bad, That's what we're saying.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
You agree, Yeah, okay, I'm just like, where are we
at with this, buddy?

Speaker 1 (45:40):
So I think that's just like interesting.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I think also like your people have probably he had
that like he's like he's like performing drags sometimes and
I hope he does.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I hope he does. I hope he does because I
am ready for all.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
The anger and people to be up to be mad
about it because also like right like like like I
think also like like, because he's also saying I'm not
here to perform for the male gaze, I'm not here
to perform for the white gays, And that to me
is why things an impact, right it is like it will.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
I think it will help others it will. I two things.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I worry that either if.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
It go if it doesn't go well, that will the
NFL be less like to choose, like to choose different
people then, or like, al right, it goes so well,
that gives everybody else, like like more depth to say
I'm not playing for the white gids, right yeah, And
I think coming off of Kendrick too is also really great. Right,

(46:38):
Like Kendrick was lashing, Kendrick was sut up, and I
feel like some people did not like Kendrick's thing, and
somebody will said it was too save, some people said
it was not some people said it was like to
like to I don't like to hood. I to me,
I thought it was like like say, say.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
The people about Coundrick.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I feel like it was kind of genius, Like his
whole thing was really just really fantastic. And so I
think coming after that also is amazing because two years
of people who are saying I'm not here to play
into the system, I'll play the game with you people,
I'm doing my own.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Shit is really amazing, Right, That's why I think about you.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, so I agree one thousand percent in everything that
you're saying. I do believe. And my response to this
question was, I think it's a mixed bag of tricks,
considering we now know that there might be a ton
of undocumented people who may want to go to support him,
and that, for me is what scares me more than anything.

(47:33):
When they announced that, I said, oh shit, I said this,
and again, I'm hoping people are smart enough to know
that what world we're living in, and it's already this bad,
so I only imagine what it's going to look like
in February. I hope that our family, and I say
family collectively is smart enough to know if they're not,
if it's not even if you get the opportunity to go,

(47:55):
if it's not a safe space for you, I pray
that folks are smart enough to say I can just
watch it from this, you know, from home, Because that's
the thing that really scares me is that, you know,
I want, I know, he has to support that's going
to do the latter of what you said, I believe
it is going to the number. They are going to

(48:15):
see numbers and they know that right. If you put so,
I saw someone recently they put I think his name
is Morgan Wallan. He had like he was talking. Morgan
Wallan has been talking out the side of his head
for a couple of years now about black and brown artists.
So fuck him wherever he is. But I will say,
if you you know, I think a big part of

(48:35):
it is he because he knows the impact that Bad
Bone has. You know, if you put I think it
was like if there was two pictures and it was
like Morgan Wallen only had like thirty eight million listeners
a year, whereas Bad Bunny was close to like one
hundred million. Yea, And so I think we're gonna see
an uptick of people tuning in for the Super Bowl

(48:55):
just to see Bad Bunny perform. But I think for me,
like I said, it does make me a little nerve
to think that there may be a very strong ice
presence around, if at all connected to the super Bowl
this year. And that's the thing I will say in
that kind of mind that really scares me, you.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Know, like because I would saying like a few thing
pieces right around it, like that idea, and like some
folks resplading like well, like like the people costs much money,
like they can't afford to go, And I like, like
I've always like that always bothered me because because because
I'm like, like, I don't it's not the document folks

(49:35):
are poor. There's like I don't assume that either, but
I do, but like I but I do think like
I do think that like folks who are is it's
unsafe to go, Like I don't think I don't. I
don't think they will because like because I know it
would be safe, I think so.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
But also like I said, the NFL would be.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Like like like like it would be a bad look
for them, It would be a bad book. It would
be the see both sides, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Like and also like and also.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Then like the white folks would be like, oh, I
guess immigration does affect me right and does impact my
life right, right, and like and like, and they'll be like, oh,
like why is this like why is our game altered?
Or something like that would be a really like you
know what I'm saying, Like I think it like it
would it would be a bad looking entirely and and
also like I think, I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I like I just when I I I for the
ice swim coming all for.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, it's ice forever over.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
But like but like, but if they did, I think
it would it would like it would put in people's
faces how to disrupt the system is and.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
How that's a really good point that I actually didn't
even think about until you said that. That's actually a
really good fucking point. Yes, and so so yeah, that's
one of my thoughts. But I will say this if
I if I now the other thing is to keep
in mind, y'all, y'all know how I feel about that man,
And if I said how I really feel about Bad Bunny,

(51:17):
I might I might get us in a lot of trouble.
Our producer already is in the comments, like, y'all, don't
don't go off about bad Bunny Baby when I tell
you I love that man. I love that man. I
love that man. No Joey said off. Everything about Bad

(51:43):
Bunny is just the accent his I think that the
thing that bade me fall in love with Bad Bunny
the most is did you see him when he was
on Hot Ones and he was talking. There's a clip
of him when the host asked him if he wants
some ice cream and he gets so happy about the
ice I just think he's the I think he is

(52:03):
so cute. I just I love I think Bad Bunny
is quintessential, like he plays and gives off the persona
that he is this like hardcore. I'm a rapper, but
he's such a softy and I think that's what makes
me love him so much. But anyway, I sail of
that to say, if I if I went on, we
probably wouldn't get another season because it would be too

(52:25):
uh too. I wouldn't even say explicit, but I would
just say, just imagine where I could go. Anyway, I digress,
I digress, Bad Bunny, my guy. I think Bad Bunny's
cultural impact says a lot, considering he's going right after
Kendrick who basically told America America to go fuck himself,

(52:46):
you know, go fuck itself. And I think that for me,
says a lot, right, I wonder, And this is the
thing that I have a very hard time with. I
have a hard time with the politics of what I
feel like the NFL is doing, but also the politics
of what the NFL has done, if that makes sense,

(53:07):
And so like, yes, Kendrick Lamar, Yes, the year before that,
we had all of the folks from Long Beach and
Snoop Dogg and all of that, even though Snoop Dogg
and Doctor Dre are problematic af right, Like, I struggle
the back and forth of it of like where are
we in this dichotomy of like fuck the NFL. Yeah, well, yeah,

(53:28):
he's not Yeah exactly, he's not doing any US tours
because of ice. Like, yeah, very much that, But I'm
just like it's hard. Huh.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Well, I was like, well, like, well again, is US territory?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Right, I get what you're saying, he's not he's not
coming to of.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
He's not doing which which which is which is a
huge fuck you as well too. Yeah to the system
of America, which I think, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
You have to come to Puerto Rico. He basically said,
you have to come to Puerto Rico to see me,
which I think you gotta come see all these fans
speaking votes, right, you have to be at the offensive
conversation if you want to come to.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
Perform, right right right, Yeah, and that dadic behavior he is.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
He very much is an icon and very intentional about
what he does. And so I, like I said, I'm
I'm in this. I'm in this kind of like in
between of like the NFL and shit, but also you know,
shout out to the folks at the NFL who are
a year after year after year booking people who have
given the middle finger to you know, you know what

(54:33):
I mean this system.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Yeah, you know, I think like there's something to say
that at some point if like like like because I'm
thinking a lot about like our friend Roy Mitchell, the
slay God, who has been working with the NFL the
past few years as well, too, Like there's something to
say about when a system is possibly seeing how it
created a problem and it's trying to correct it.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
That I think that I think like could be.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Co men did, but.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
Could be like like saying like no, like Pratt, recredit
is due, like yeah, like I see you NFL like
finger clap, yeah exactly, it small because like okay.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Like yes, like you did contribute to so many things
that we see wrong, right, but you are actively trying
to maybe like undo that in some way, you know,
So like I'm you know, I'm at I'm thinking, I'm
thinking about that.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I'm thinking, like you know, like a lot.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Of people, m I know how a lot of us
feel out about jay Z for a lot of reasons,
but also knowing that rightly he brought into the NFL,
right and people were like, but like, I imagine part
of that's also because of his influence to right right,
you know, and like I do feel how we feel.
I think he's also trying to change a system in

(55:48):
that way, and I like, you know, well, and it
may not have been my pathway of systems change.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I can see, I can see how it's paying off.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
But it's a bill I mean, it's a billion dollar corporation,
and I mean at this point, there's really nothing, I mean,
nothing that these and again this can become a whole
conversation in itself, right, nothing that the NFL, jay Z, Beyonce,
any billionaire does is going to ever be right, yea,
because of boom You're you're a billion dollars. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Also I mean like also like you know, also like
that that the system of the NFL perpetuates. Also like
is the system I'm transpental either government not trans mental NFL,
you know, but like like like live aflow that that
they chose their lane to dismantle. Yeah, yeah, you know
that's very ship talks, money walks. I'm trying to burn down.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Like I've got bigger fish to fry over here.

Speaker 9 (56:41):
But what I will not saying burned down, Chris, I
think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
You we are, we're trying to dismantle systems here. Yeah,
And I get what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Joey can consider on air joe is okay, is the
one get shut down?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I think we're okay, Okay, Yeah, I think we're fine
to say that we're trying to burn down certain systems.
And yes, and I and I and I think it's
figuratively that is there just there. Yeah, yeah, sure, I've
said a period period, Yeah, period. I love our man,
let me tell you, I love our producers. They are

(57:18):
so cool. But I was gonna say, yeah, I just
I think there has been a Yes, there is very
much this thing of for me with all of this,
I think that the bigger thing for me is, you know,
stay proud of who you are, even when you don't
know if that's possible. And I think even Bad Bunny
being Bad Bunny and being where he is, I'm sure

(57:39):
there are moments where he's very unsure of like how
is this going to land? And how are people going
to receive this? And how are people going to feel
about this? And I love that even in that, he
has not watered down he basically, so I'm gonna just
say that he didn't. He didn't black Eyed Pede himself, right,
the Black Eyed ped They started out one way and
literally went a total different trajectory. And I think from

(58:01):
the start of Bad Bunny's career, we've always seen him,
you know, rep the idea that he's you know, latinae,
he's Latin X however he identifies in that term, right,
but he's still you know, he's still himself. And I
think that that, for me, is what I'm happy to see.
And I also want to say this before we go on.
What I also love in this conversation is black people

(58:24):
turning it around and saying, you see how we celebrate
Bad Bunny. You see how we celebrate his wins, We
see how you can you we don't have to be
and tie anything in this. We can all be collectively
happy for Bad Bunny. Everybody can. Yeah, And so for

(58:46):
me that's also been what I love in this, in
the in the concept of cultural impact, that we have
been able to kind of take it and flip it
back and say, okay, see, look right. We didn't say, oh, well,
how come it's not a black this and why not? No,
we didn't do any of that. We literally myself me included.
I don't know one Bad Bunny song. I know him
when I hear them, but I can't tell you what

(59:07):
the name of the song is. But I just know
as as a person, I love Bad Bunny right, probably
for other reasons, but I love Bad Bunny, and I
think it is okay for us to say, like, you
can celebrate, you know, a culture that's not your culture.
I think that's really what the what this really says
in a bigger cannon. So well, none of we.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Have got that off our chest, and John got that
off their chest. Bad Bunny, if you ever hear this,
we're gonna take one more break and come out of
this segment that y'all love so much.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yes, no, man, PAMs, all right, y'all. So we are back,
and this week we are getting into our yes ma'am
or no man, Pam. This is the segment where we
usually give people flowers or we usually hit them with them,
and this week I definitely have you know, I'm looking

(01:00:07):
at the clock and I go, we got a little
bit of time. So I'm gonna go ahead and say
what I need to say. So this we don't, we don't,
we don't. Some of us have we got We got work, girls,
we got work. I know. I'm like, yeah, we gotta work.
I know, but I'm gonna try to make it quick.
But I do got some things to say. So I'm
gonna say this week first my yes ma'am. I want

(01:00:30):
to say that I am thankful to the black women
who are waking up or have been staying in the
lane of desplaining how problematic this new Taylor Swift album is,
specifically the ways that white women artists like Miss Taylor
Swift are coddled and able to sing about teenage shit

(01:00:52):
at a big age. I mean, basically, the the content that,
or at least what I've been reading, what I've been
seeing is this woman is the thirty five and she's
singing songs like she's sixteen. And you know, if a
black artist, like specifically a black artist, you know, per se,
even Beyonce. Right, if Beyonce was to do this, everyone
would have something to say about it. Right, gir you're

(01:01:13):
you're grown? Why are you singing so this idea that
you know? I will say and people know this. I
I've been very vocal about I hate Taylor Swift. I
don't like her. I don't think anything about her is original.
I think that there's a lot of I have a
lot of thoughts about why I don't like Taylor Swift.
And it doesn't just come from I don't like her music.

(01:01:34):
I think Taylor Swift is what the problem like when
we look at America as as a whole, Taylor Swift
is a very great representation of what I hate about America.
And that is why I don't like Taylor Swift. And
so anyway, I appreciate that there have been black women
who've been using their platforms to also say no, it's
not just about that. It's this, this, this, this, and

(01:01:55):
this that we need to be looking at. And I
even get, you know, I gotten trouble for posting I
got trouble, but I had people coming after me. I
had put the a meme of her playing a banjo
on the side of the film centers the picking the

(01:02:16):
We've been robbing and clean we picked Paul Robin Clee.
I put those two together and I said this is
exactly what it is. And people were like, oh, you
mean racist. That's not That was not my intent. My
intent was to say, we have to be cautious when
we're when we How do I say this. It's just
I think there's a there's something specific to talk about

(01:02:37):
in this moment about why white people love this white
woman so much and how in this new album. I
have not listened to any of her songs. I will
not be listening to any of her songs. But she
has taken shots at Meg the Stallion, She's taken shots
at this man's black ex black girlfriend. They're all of
these things that Taylor does specifically to black people into

(01:03:00):
black artists. You know, even this whole old Kanye took
my movement from me like this, She's vilified this black
man for years. Right. It's it's it's it's that that
I have so many problems with and I'm just so
happy that people are starting to come around and see it.
I don't know if we need a response to that,
but that's just kind of where I'm at. Okay, mind no, man,

(01:03:23):
Pam that I want to get into. Do you watch
Love is Blind? Producer Joey? Do you watch Love is Blind? No? No?
Joey was so quick. No, Jordan, do you know do
you watch Love is Blind? No?

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Nor?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Uh? So? I I want. I want to shout out
Erica who is an era. Erica Hart is a person
I follow on social media. She has been very vocal
about this season of Love is Blind, and I even
went into her conversation being like, I don't know if
I should watch this season, and she was because she
had all these critiques and I said she basically her

(01:04:04):
response to me was like, well, they already recorded it
and it's already out, so there's nothing we didn't really do.
And I was like, you got a point, right, you
really do got a point that everybody's watching it, So
I'm like, why not be able to jump into the conversation.
I just want to ask Love is Blind? What in
the actual fuck is going on this season? And what

(01:04:24):
I mean by that is is I'm gonna say, there's
a thought I have and I'm gonna save that for
the tell end of me shutting up. But you have
a black man, so I don't even know what it's okay.
There's two three things this season that are really pissing
me off. You have a man who is clearly, very

(01:04:45):
clearly an alcoholic. We're glamorizing that, right. There was a moment,
So basically there's a moment in a scene of like,
I don't know how well you've watched Love's mind. So
they come out and when they see each other, it's like, yay,
I get to see my handline. And they have the
little they sit together and they talk for a quick
second and they go back to their little quarters. This
man is he's leaving the quarters, goes to pour more

(01:05:09):
alcohol before actually saying goodbye to the girl that he
just he just met. So and then when they get
to like Mexico, he's drunk in the bait. He doesn't
know where he is. He's like, he's literally drunk, and
I'm going, are we really doing this? Okay? Great, okay, cool,
that's where we're at. The Second thing the glamorization of

(01:05:31):
homophobia this season. So you get two people talking about
how they don't want to a queer kid, they don't
like queer values, when it's very clear that everybody thinks Nick,
and I'm not saying I do, I'm saying everybody in
the world. This is what the people are saying. So
I want to make it very clear that if you're
gonna come for me, that you're coming for them. Nick
is one of the characters that is getting a lot

(01:05:51):
of heat because a lot of people believe that he
is one of those people that hasn't come out to
himself yet. Basically, so there's that whole conversation. But the
one that has been driving me up the wall. Why
would they let Edmund come on this season knowing that
he is not well? This young man, I don't know.
There's some people say he has special needs. There are

(01:06:13):
people who say he's dealing with AUHD. There are people
who are saying he's autistic. There are people who are
saying he's a black Basically, he tells us that he's
a black man who has lived in the system, that
he has a lot of emotional issues because he's lived
in the system, and he comes onto the show. The
first thing that literally made me go, girl, what the fuck?

(01:06:33):
He's kissing the floor, he kisses, he's making out with
the floor. Then he has a total emotional breakdown around
this woman Kab not having sex with him. He finds
out that everybody else on the show has had sex.
So when Katie says we haven't had sex because I

(01:06:53):
want to save myself for marriage, he has a full
blown like how could you do this to me? I'm
too fucking nice? But it's noise, Sun, too fucking noise.
So he's giving in cell vibes and it's just like,
come on, like are we really doing this for views?
Like do we really need to? Like, it's just I

(01:07:13):
and I know I'm part of the problem because seven
eight nine are gonna be up tonight and I'm gonna
be locked in right, I'm definitely gonna watch an episode
or two before I go before I head out tonight,
Like I I know I'm part of it. Am I
am I the drama? Am I the problem?

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I am? But it just I just want to know,
like why, why? Why? Netflix? Why? That's all I want
to know. So my no, ma'am this week is is
to whoever did the casting for Love Is Blind? This,
He's like, dinner, y'all really got a problem something something
over there ain't right because the season is is everybody's

(01:07:48):
from Denver, and I'm looking going if that's the dating
pool in Denver, it got peem boo boo in it
because I don't want it. I don't want it. So
that's it. What about you for this week? My love?

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
I just I just love about how she are about
the show, like like like like like like like wime
the mic you are here, the torch fellow is blind
and I'm like, this is why I watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
It's so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
It's so bad, but but yeah, you're locked it relocked
every time, and I am locked in everything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
A lot of people have skipped Denver for a reason,
so I'm like, hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
It makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
It makes me so much my yes, Ma'm Pam is
gonna go to my girl Robin are Sown from Peloton because.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Last week she I did a she did a Jewish
New Year walk and I like that she's Jewish.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
That was like, wait, are so much Jewish? Queen?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
When and I was like, wait, Robin, are you are
you with your color as well? Girl? Because if you
are a best sister, I work in that field. You
should come, she'd come home with us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yes, well, come volunteer your time, girl.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
If you're volunteer your time, please we can.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
We can give you a modest area, a modest one,
but like you know, come through.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
I'll be in New York soon.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Girl. Come, let let's go to a deli together. Come
with us, you know, me and John want to the class.
Then we'll go get we'll go chop up the cat's
delai or something. It'll be it'll be super fun, delicious.
I'm not please, but I'm just so excited because I
had no idea. And then then I was like, oh,
she's done several like pieces of Jewish content. I was like, wait,
that's so dope.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
I love that for her and the left for us
to her.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
But no, man, Pam is okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
So next next week it will be what it will
be like Day twelve, girmana shutdown. I pray by the
next by the time the show comes out, we'll be
doing the girma shut down. Coming to Stay seven and
I was just like, all a joke. Can you all
just get you all just get together, can you just
stop being just what is happening, and like now it's

(01:09:52):
impacting like airports and people are out here missing flags
and delays and stuff because people an't show up to work.
And I'm okay, My biggest question is that I thought
the whole point, the whole point of conservative ideology was
that they have less big government, and yet they are
the most big government like us want like us like.

(01:10:15):
And my probably is like, yeah, of course it's all
a lie because that's how they that's how they operate.
But also, can you can y'allys be honest for one
day in your life?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Like what is why?

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
So please just and this is just so dumb and
so annoying and like it like in like it's impacting
people's lives.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
In many ways. She's not getting done.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
People were in limbo with their rights for healthcare, Like
can we please just get together, y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Can y'all just like seck it up for once? And
if you say you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Came about Americans, making people think, came about American people
and do what we actually do instead of doing some ship.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Girl, it's I we can we can. I hate I
hate it here. It's not for me bites I'd be
and and and We're feeling it in so many different ways,
but I just it's very much giving. This is like
I just can't stress enough, Like how the constant feeling

(01:11:09):
of like what else are we going to have to
deal with every day we wake up? And I'm just
so tired of that feeling, Like I really wish we
all could get some is it? Respite is the word?
Like I wish we all just get some some joy
out of everything. But all that to be said, I
will say what has been keeping me and holding me

(01:11:31):
is being in community with folks, knowing I get to
see you in a couple of days. Like just just
being in community with my people has been really, really,
really helpful. And I'm praying that for listeners you do
the same. Find your people, be in community with people,
find your support, stay lifted. But anyway, but those with that,

(01:11:52):
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pumpkin items should me and Jojo discuss next week on

(01:12:15):
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After you hear this, we will record and then we
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(01:12:37):
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(01:13:01):
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Where can the dolls find you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Of course you can find me like you do every
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If not there, you'll find me with my nose in
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him and fabulous and remember what yo ho.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
We may not be there, cup of tea, but girl,
drink someone and add some lemon to it. You need
you need some for the health, yes, okay, like us
needs to be.

Speaker 6 (01:15:20):
More flavorful like us. Or you could put some oranges in,
get your vitamin, get you get your skin up, girl,
and set on my lips so I don't so not
my lips just colored anymore. It's it's nice looking good him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
But anyway, that lemon, oranges, some berries do whatever you got.
Centricy bitches yet all the centracy bitches. I love to
see it. I love it surreal. Until next time, Bye
y'all