Ain't Nobody Laughing (Featuring Twiggy Pucci Garçon)

This week the BFF's are joined by cultural practitioner & curator Twiggy Pucci Garçon to discuss what it means to serve, why we must fight to keep preserving our history and why we are over homophobic and transphobic conversations related to the red dress run. You can add fatphobia to that conversation, too. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
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of iddity are celebrated.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I am one of your hosts.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Johnason onas Dotor John Paul, and this week I'm coming
to you cool, calm and collected, because in a few days,
I know I will be on someone's massage table getting
a facio and a massurge. Any black Luxury, Yes, black Luxury.
Shout out to my girls que and Heather. They are

(00:34):
listeners of the shows. We do a yearly Black Doles Retreat.
We have been friends for almost twenty five years. We
all went to college together and every year during the
the towards the end of the summer, we pick up
place to go, we get together. We you know, we
just kind of we just be in our black luxury bag. Now,
my friend quaesome mother is up there, she's doing big things,

(00:56):
and you know, and Heather's out here running schools and stuff,
and then you got me over here in the entertainment world,
and so we just kind of like.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
To just be in commuted team things.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
So that'll be what we do to get ourselves together
and to just kind of reconnect our friendships and keep
a strong handy. So I'm just I'm doing this now,
and I'm like, oh, I got two days before I
hop on the airplane, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
But I wanted to ask you, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Girl?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You just you? You just finished up Sandy Go Black Pride.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I've seen you everywhere and nowhere all at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Girl, how is you? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:31):
My friends have a running joke that I got clones everywhere.
They'll be saying like, like when, because people will be like, oh,
you remember this.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Day, and I'm like, no, what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Oh no, no, no, no, it wasn't you visuals a
clone then that was there and now the as I'm
believing them, I'm like, I'm I'm in three places at once, girl.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Really, you really do? I do a lot?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And then I'd be like Joe, O, can you do
this thing? And Joe hosts like, no, I have to
go to Mars and I fix the.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Rover Perry from herself and literally move fam ish your girl,
Joe or John if you signed my checks or feed
me as well, say I'm saying hello from the other side.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I got the leaves for you. I got the leaves,
throw them leaves that you like, who is it a
day on that video?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I cannot believe that to my Black Pride girl this weekend,
I am tied your bed look good.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
But right now to today, the skin is skinny.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's like like the smile, the smile golden skinny, the
curls curls.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Sam.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I'm like, no, it's say I'm looking good. So you know,
and when you when you, when you look good, you
feel good. You don't feel good. Today I feel exhausted
as hell, y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And it was amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
It's the full And today we're officially done with Markey retrograde,
thank god.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Because this Mercury.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Bitch, Oh she will call this bitch, this bitch, not
say bitch of the capital will be this bitch Mercury
try to fuck me up? Lookor was on my ass
on my case the entire month, every motherfucking day. Sometimes
how I had to to say it was amazing, like
black probably can was amazing. Like as president, my like

(03:17):
my my, my viewpoint has to be like what's gonna
happen to us? Like we'll we get what we meet
or we meet our numbers of people, we meet ourselves
like because we're spending we're spending money to this, put this,
put this on right. So it's like to me, like
my thought has to be we make enough to pay
for it, and then we then like to reinvestment in
our community because we're a nonprofit and we are we
are we are we are underfunded under resources many black

(03:39):
organizations are.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And so I was like, you know, so it's like
I can't have the fun I used to have because
my thought is like who will come? Will they come?

Speaker 4 (03:48):
And they did, but I can't stay the so coin vibes.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
They'd be like, we won't. We won't buy a ticket
until the day before.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Ye let me just stay California.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
If that's that's if that's what you do, fuck y'all,
because we have to pre order food for people.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
So if we can't project who will come, beach, you
may not eat and don't be down when you can't
when you can't eat, that girl like.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I just I just need able to get together. But yeah,
people should have.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
This was the record breaking year we served over twelve
hundred people. I want to say, if I'm if, if
I'm if, my day is correct. At least half of
them were black, which means it's been here black people
throughout the weekend.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I three, I don't know where.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
I don't know where we all exist in anything like that,
but that is amazing people, girl, people, and they did.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
We had some great people come. Our girl by Davis
came to do a poetry on Sunday, just amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Hope was there.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
She she came to UH to open the experience on Sunday.
David Brandon, who I love very much, was there as
well to definitely want to get him on the show
as well. Yeah, people, so it's really good, good time.
But today it's like all let's say hit me.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Niggas are tired.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
And then this one was this that light skin, beautiful
nigga that I know with it, I won't style body
and shine. Look this totally all mine. They're so soft,
silky and free. I want something just for me. Yes, girl,
she got the curls on. But you know what else
we have here this week? Now, let me tell you something. See,

(05:25):
I'm gonna go off script real quick before I am
to reading down the legendary biography that I have here.
Twiggy is that girl and if you don't know who
Twiggy is?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
You do now?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I have literally from both up close and afar. I
have always been the biggest fan of Like there are
people you just you know that you're a fan of me. Wow,
they have such an interesting, such a beautiful energy. Now
Twiggy literally stops the energy in a room. I just
I cannot say enough about how much of a fan

(06:02):
I am of you. This week, we are in community
with another person who I have loved from the moment
that I've found out who they were. I find them
to be an extreme visionary, creative director, activists, and cultural curator.
And this is the thing that I find very interesting too.
I find that they have done such a beautiful job

(06:22):
of not only helping us understand Ballroom better, but I
feel like they've been able to merge their activism with
media in a way that I feel like a lot
of people really truly can't do. They are a proud
non binary member of the LGBTQ community. They are celebrated
champion for the rights of young people experiencing homelessness, something
that we need to talk more about because numbs is

(06:43):
going up. And they also are an accomplished filmmaker and producer,
known for their work on HBOS, The Outlets, the documentary Kiki,
which we talked about on the show before, and as
a consultant and runway choreographer for the Emmy nominated Polls.
Their passion for uplifting marginalized voices and curating transformative art
makes Twiggy Poochy Carson a true force for change and inspiration.

(07:08):
Mother's here, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Thank you. How hard to be here?

Speaker 6 (07:13):
You know, I'm a fucking tired That's how I am,
real real.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Were still tied in the streets episode just Gonna be called.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Niggas is tired. Yes, niggas is tired.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well, we're so happy you're here, Twiggy, and I am
like just hearing this intro, Like, oh my god, John
John gives an amazing interro as always, so I'm very.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Scalpy, should be happy today.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
We don't care show we do every week, but give
me a sister Cambo her flowers and are still here?
Segment to the show that we still here? Okay, we
don't keep the conversation by sitting you know.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
We we we we know.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
The gays love to steal our lexicon O Lingo. We know,
we know all the girls are steep, especially especially because
this wild folks got we got to coaching on lock.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
So I want to ask you both, what.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Does it mean to serve? When someone says to serve?
What does it really mean? If you want to, I
want to hear from you first, Wig then then then
then we'll.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Do John, then will do me?

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Okay, Well, it has multiple meanings, like many of the
Lingo language terms, all the things that we come up with.
So one instance of serve can be like miss things
tried me, I need to serve her, right, So that's.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Got to get her together, got to get her together.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Then another serve is like giving, like that you really
served the look tonight. So it's you know, there's It
depends on the context and what you use it.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, okay, period, John, how about you? I love this
question because I think, you know, us just being us,
we serve, right, I think in so many different facets
and that's the you know kind of we've talked about
this before. We had uh DeShawn on a couple of
weeks ago, and we were talking very much about this

(09:02):
idea of how people steal are Lingo and want to
be us and still so much try to steal ballroom
and all that. Right, And so I think for us
just being us and knowing that there's so many people
in the world who want to be us or be
like us, I think that is a serve.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
But I also think about too.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
A friend of mine text me earlier this week, you know,
shout out to my friend Anthony, who was also a
listener of the show, and he said to me, he said,
just waking up, putting our clothes on, and stepping out
into a world that doesn't want us here is in
fact a serve. And I receive that because I was like, wow,
like this week specifically for you know, for for every
for everyone listening. By the time you hear this, you know,

(09:39):
we're a couple of days out. But last week, I
can just say this now kind of looking forward and backwards.
Last week, there was a lot of things that this
administration came out with, right, and and it's all meant
to over exhaust us and make us feel like we
should go back into hiding. And so the fact that
we're still here. We know that this shit is hard,
but we're still sit going up. Many of us are

(10:01):
in spaces that we know for a fat specifically naming entertainment.
They don't want our stories, they don't want to see us,
they don't want to hear us, and so us continuing
to keep doing what we do is, in my opinion,
the true definition of serving. And so it's just telling
the girls to eat it. And sometimes they have to
eat it with their hands. No fool, no fool, I'm

(10:22):
not giving you no knife. Just eat it and deal.
And I think that's kind of the life I'm living,
and that's what I believe it means to serve.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Oh, I love that so much.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
And unlessure remind me about the share administration has done,
because I have Mammy of my no man Pam for
that devil bitch can later today I'm serve her real
quick thought, that bitch and her damn cakes.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Oh I got words for you.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yes, I love I have, I haven't I never like
thought of serve in the sense of like like like,
let me serve her up. But also, oh, that's actually
so like duh, because I was saying that all the
time and away, Oh that's actually quad. I mean I
mean to me to serve as me like, for serving
has always been like a flex for me like like

(11:07):
the like like like the way the way you.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Dressed, are you still on people? Like that's a serve.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
The way the way that you show up and show
out is to serve. The way you like go high
and go high when they go low. Like it's all
a serve to me. And that's the ship. They'll try
you and people and people try you, and you still
like dust still rise. That's the that's the whole stuff
right there. My actually knew she was doing. She said
still like, okay, okay, serve And so I just I

(11:35):
love love love and and I think and yes time
that girls to eat it with their hands. I always
think of what what what's the name from the help?
But she says, eat my ship?

Speaker 7 (11:44):
She said, what have you lost? You don't mind, no,
but you about to. But you about to why because
you just did, because you did.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Serve it up to harbage okay worstless but cal kaallenavich Ow. Fam.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Now that we continued to proclaim the ministry, I'm making
the world suffer because they never can and never will
be us.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
You got to take a quick break.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
When we come back, we'll be in the community with
aga girl, Miss Judy Twiggy back in just a second.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
All right, y'all, So we are back, and this week
for our category is Segment. We wanted to engage Twiggy
around the idea of what it means to be a
cultural practitioner. And so I'll say, you know, we always
do research on our guests, and that was one of
the things I had saw when I was looking more
into the work you do. I've known you, I know
all of your work, and I know where you are
and how you do it. But that word cultural practitioner

(12:54):
really stuck out to me, and I said, that's new
for me, and I would love to engage that a
little bit more. And so what I was really intrigued
about when I saw the term on your site, I
think it speaks to kind of.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
All of what we do in this industry. I know.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
So for those who don't know me and Jojo, we have,
you know, journalistic backgrounds, right, we started in comms. We
do different things, but we're constantly writing about We're constantly
talking about our culture, meaning black queer culture.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
And so with that.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Being said, now having someone who we think of as
a culture curator, who has done a lot of stuff
in the industry to preserve a lot of black queer culture.
I was like, this is the perfect conversation for us
to have. And so with that being said, I wanted
to ask you, for those who might be new to
this concept of being a cultural practitioner, what does it
mean to be that and why was it so important

(13:41):
for you to like name that as part of your legacy.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Well, when we talk about cultural practitioners, you know, you
have to break it down. Cultures were thinking about values, beliefs, rituals, customs, traditions, behaviors,
all the different things that make up any particular culture
or even go as far as to say zubculture. And

(14:05):
to be a practitioner of that is to be a
person who holds that culture, who innovates within that culture,
who protects, helps to protect that culture, hopes to expand
that culture, and to do so through whatever medium. You know,
it is a part of their particular purpose. For some

(14:25):
folks that might be writing, For some folks that might
be organizing, for some folks that might be film, for
some folks that might be art. You know, there's all
sorts of way that many of us practice our culture.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
I think it was important for me to name because.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
I've gone through being called a lot of different things,
whether it was a punk or.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
A preacher write.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
Idols, and I've realized that the thing that I know
to be my purpose and the thing I find the
most joy in is is.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
How I practice and preserve my culture.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
So I wanted to be explicit in naming that.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I love this concept of it because we see so
much of queer culture, specifically be your specifically black queer
culture overlooked, and as you said earlier, in this moment,
the comman is trying to undo so much of our progress,
so much of like who we are, as much of
our existence, trying to you know, legislate us out of
being who we are. And then in so much of
our stories and history needs to be preserved, right, We

(15:31):
need to build legacy, We need to be to preserve legacy.
And so I would love to ask, like, what experience
moment in your life made you feel like this was
your calling? Like what made you feel like I got
protect us in our history and preserve legacy for us
and for our community.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
You know, I think it has been so many moments,
and I think you know a lot of those moments
I didn't realize that's what it was when it was happening.
You know, hindsight is twenty twenty often for many of us,
and I think, yeah, there's so many, so many pivots
and moments. I think, I certainly remember back when I

(16:12):
first came to the ballroom scene, which at this point
was a long time ago.

Speaker 8 (16:16):
And just yesterday, but I remember back then ballroom was
very froud upon and it was the ballroom girls who
got thrown the most shade in the club and got
and people didn't want to date us, and people, you know,
made these huge assumptions about who we were based on

(16:38):
either things they heard or things that just weren't true.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
And so I came into the scene having experienced that,
and there was just something It transformed me in such
a such a specific way and in such a deep way.
I felt the onus to myself into my community to
change that the these like untrue perceptions about who we

(17:03):
are as a community. And so there are a bunch
of different moments I can point to that that told
me that I was on the right path and attempting
to do that. And then there's been other moments where
I'm like, well, we don't we don't really have anything
to prove, right, Like, I got to a place where
I'm like, at this point, ballroom has something to say,
and it has something to teach the world about itself

(17:25):
and about people individually and people collectively. And so that's
that's the path that I think I've been on and
that I'm continuing to go down.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I just I will say this, like I said, watching you,
watching Deshaun, watching so many other people that I I honor,
I like, I look up to you. There's just something
in your movement. There's something in the ways that you
embody the sound. It's me knowing the family element. It's
me knowing the community element. It's the you know, the

(17:58):
lift as we climb element, like you just see. So
there's so there's and again you have to be you
have to be in touch with the community and the
culture to understand that and receive it and respect it.
That's why I like, you know, I think about Honey
Balinciaga a lot, right So you know, everyone was like, oh, yay,
Honey Blinciaga got to work with Beyonce, and I'm like, yes,
that's great, but I go. But but for me, I've

(18:20):
known Honey way before the you know, the renaissance of
it all. And I think for me it was I
had always respected Honey because there was just something the
fluid movement. There was just something in the ways that
they they presented themselves that I was like, you can't
you Honey, can't be Honey without ball right, Like, there
was just there was something in it that I was like,

(18:40):
that was talk to me, that was And so for me,
it's something and maybe that that you know, the feminist
in me is is is you know, something I celebrate
more these days.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
But I've always said that.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I said, there's just something so beautiful about the community
of ballroom and the ways that people move in the
way that y'all encourage each other and support each other,
and I just I'm absolutely adore what.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, one of the.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Terms that I was thinking about as I was, you know,
again producing this episode was, you know, the notion of
being you know, when you look at the definition of
cultural practitioner, it's culture being a cultural broker and basically
you're interpreting something to people who honestly have no idea.
And so I mean, I think there's I think that's
why there's there was there's been a lot of conversation

(19:25):
about the commodification of ballroom and also this idea of like,
you know, HBO using it, hbo hbo, HBO max using
it and then kind of tossing it to the side
of people being.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Like, whoa, what was that about?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know? And and I know we got into that
a little bit with te Sean, But I would love
to ask you while we have you here. You know,
I know you spent a lot of time working to
preserve the history of both ballroom and the keiky scene.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Why I guess, I guess why is that?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I mean, I obviously, I know you talk a little
bit about ballroom as a whole, as being you know,
kind of this thing of what really saved you. But
I would love to know what's the you know, for
those of us who we're just familiar with the scene,
why is it so important for us to not forget
what ballroom is and where it started and what it means.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
I mean, we wouldn't have a queer liberation movement without
black and brown, trans and LGBTQ people right and ballroom
you know, decades before that created a space for itself
out of resistance to homophobia, transphobia, mess from the Black Church,
and so the it it is innately a resistance movement, right,

(20:33):
and so from its origins we have we have so
much to learn from it. From the Chosen Family aspect,
of course, we you know, most people are super familiar
with that part too. What it you mentioned you know
about honey and about other people in ballroom. Ballroom instills
a thing in you, very specific essence in you that

(20:54):
translates across what you do, whether you work in entertainment,
whether you work in politics, whether you no matter what
you do, when you're in ballroom, ballroom is in you,
and that translates to So there's so many layers of
what ballroom has to say to the world about about
what it means to be.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Sure about who you are, about what.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
It means to walk in a room and own it,
what it means for your confidence to come from within.
It also has a lot to say and teach the
world about community and collaboration and organizing and sometimes competition.
That has a lot to teach the world about performance
and art and fashion and innovation and creativity. And so

(21:40):
you can't name a thing that is culture that is
you know, doesn't have some root or some connection to
house and ballroom.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
This is what it is, especially in queer culture. You can't.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
There's just there's no way to talk about queer culture
without talking about ball facts.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Can't.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, that's like so I like so many I'm like
I'm like like processing what you're saying because I feel
like I don't I don't always know what people actually
really recognize that and realize that they actually recognize that's
so much of what we enjoy as much the beauty
that we love to see, especially in creakings and curriculture,
like come from ball room and like and like or

(22:19):
like I know, like I know like like like we
like we all say it, but I like we say
it as it's like transient thing like oh yeah, like
like oh yeah like that like that comes from ball room.
But like people do, I want people to like understand
listeners to understand that so much of what we do
and have today and how we speak and how we
show up, how we move ourselves, what we wear, how

(22:40):
we wear it like truly.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Comes from ballroom, like like in a sense.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Of like like like right like like like like like
ballroom has been the purveyor of like of what we
experience and how we live our lives right like like
like like there is a like there there's a life
before ballroom and a life after.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
All right, And I and I want people to really.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Understand that, like like we we don't say it as
it's like passive acknowledgement, Like it's not a passive thing.
It is culture was changed when when when Broom, when
Ballroom came on the scene, like like from that first
ball we we have all been changed for the better,
and so there's so much more rich ways. And I
really hope people people really get that. And I and

(23:23):
I respect your work so much to you because like your.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Work is is is to is to help.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
People recognize and acknowledge it and realize that and also
and also for them to like also for them to
preserve that legacy for like for us as a community
of people to understand where we come from and and
like and like and and not not to leave ballroom behind,
but to keep moving with it and to move it
alongside side side silist right like Earliersoh, I think you

(23:51):
like like like like you had said, like how how
T does practices like the lift as we climb? And
I feel like that to me is such a theme
and us is what ballroom is? Your think as you
climb often like often in tandem, right like you are
pulling up and pulling up like from above and.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Below at the same at the same day and time.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
And so I just love respect so much that you like,
it's repect much that you that you do this work,
that you help create what people used to understand themselves better.
It is such a gift to such a gift like
received from you and too like and to you talk
about with us this question I have is a little
bit off topic. But another another thing that that we

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love about you is so everyone that we have met
or have has mentioned your name has had nothing but
amazing things to say about which I think, like to me,
like the crown of a good name is one of
the best things that they want to have.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like, I think it's so special when people have like
like like great like people love them. That's the time
that we don't talk about enough, right like in this.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Idea of when you are when you are a cultural
boker or partitioner, you have to learn to move with
grace and you have to move to move len move
with you do that so well, So talk to us
about how you keep that grace and time where everything
around you can feel so overwhelming and so and so
and so and so harmful.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Bleak, really extremely bleak.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
There's there's a few answers to that.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Black women and films raised me, and I owe them everything.
My mother, my grandmother, my aunts, God, siblings, chosen family.
There's just been so many of them who have formed
and shaped the way I see myself, the way I
see the world, the way I move through space. So

(25:41):
I'll start there, and I think, you know, I've really
always been a very spiritual person. Initially it was, you know,
a family thing, sort of forced, but it felt it
felt natural to be a part of a spiritual been
in any of the spiritual practice growing up until it

(26:02):
didn't when they try to kick me out of church.
But I never I never lost my disconnection to the divine,
And I think that ballroom helped me to explore other
ways to be connected to the divine. There aren't traditional religion,
and that grounding is something that no one can never

(26:23):
take from me, no matter what room I'm in, no
matter how public of an event i'm at, no matter
how private of an event i'm at, that.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Grounding is always with me, so and so thank you
for that.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, no, I mean we mean it from the bottom
of our hearts. You know, there are people we bring
up names quite often about, you know, folks we want
to have on the show or folks we want to
work with. And like I said, when we bring your
name into conversations in different you know, again, Ricky Tucker
is a good friend of you know, yeah, love Ricky
and so you know, knowing Ricky's work and knowing what

(26:59):
Ricky does and again their work to preserve ball room
and ball culture. You know, I've brought your name up
several times and again nothing but good things to say.
And so all that to be said, I think it's
just beautiful that we have. We've we've all collectively, especially
in this time. And this is what I've been saying
and I will keep saying. I was on a panel
yesterday and I was telling some students in one of

(27:20):
the panels I was on was a community really is
going to be the only thing that saves us. And
so it's important for us to figure out how do
we find community in this moment, whether it be community
with just four or five folks you know, and you
see them regularly and they uplift you and you uplift them,
or if it's fifteen twenty five people walking a certain category,
like we've got to find community in this moment.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
I totally agree with that. I've been saying it for.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
A very long time, but in particular in the last
six to nine months, that it is the one thing
that we have that you could do what you want
with legislation, with policy and all of that, but you
just can't take take away our community. And to your
point around you know, no matter how big or small
your community is, that is the thing that we get

(28:08):
to say for this one moment, for this this little
bit of time, it's just us, you know, and and
that and in this one moment that's what exists. And
sometimes it's just that moment that's all the all that
you need to get to the next one.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
So same that in a nap fix everything God.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Today, Yes community in a nap, my God, that's actually
the title this upid and yes, yes period because they
let me tell you the way that I just literally
set up right before we got on, I set my
alarm clock and I literally got on my couch and

(28:52):
I took a snooze into that alarm clock said, Okay,
it's time to record.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Girl.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I said, the one thing about me is she gonna
take her a good nap. Be out on the plane.
Just knocked out, girl, but I am gonna wake up
for my uh when they come out with that little car.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Would you like some.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
And I want them cookies too, because I know we
all Delta girlies. I'm gonna need you to go ahead
and rub me them little vanilla cookies you got back
there too, girl, go ahead and bring that damn line.
All right, y'all. And by the way, Delta sponsored the
show because I've spent a lot of money with you
and the last give us baby baby sponsor the show.

(29:42):
But with that being said, now that Twiggy has taught
us how to practice with intention, we're gonna take an
intentional break to pay some bills and when we come
back we will have more with our mother back.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
In and we are a black fan.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
So this week we want to touch on someone that
we saw on social and I want to see what
thoughts folks have. So if y'all didn't know, the annual
Red Dress Run is when that happens in New Orleans
every year and this happened this past weekend. And those
who don't know this supports hash House Harriers and nonprofit
that takes the proceeds it gives them to other organizations
in Nola doing cheddo work in the area. So how

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did we get here, you may ask, Well, there were
several black core influencers who went, I mean responses from
us meaning a black queer being black cis queer men
was I'm gay, but I'm not that good to we
wear no damn dressed?

Speaker 3 (30:39):
And I guess I thought, I right, exactly all right, right, I.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Guess the question I have for us is like, how
do your dresses have a comment when we see them
on social media without making folks our community feel a
tack feel in the way that that they do. Now
A post this question, and I will first say I
have country the three answers because what one so what
I want to do understand the history of the red dress,
Like right, like we we have this question for you know,

(31:05):
we have question for follow us and our listeners.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
But like let me come in first. Was with with with.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
The mystery and I'm not sure how they were related,
of course, right, but but the Red Dress run was
first happened in the eighties in San Diego, but the
San Diego Hash House hereors Now you also have red
dress parties, which is very big in the queer community.
I don't know what these two are connected to each other,
but in the sphere of acknowledging that most things come

(31:31):
from queer culture, I can't help but think possibly because
the Red Dress party began, what we began to honor
folks who were experienced and the impact of HIV and
aidies and so and so as that.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Began, when so that began?

Speaker 4 (31:45):
When like when when folks in the eighties we get
diagnosed with HIV, they make they make a commitment to
their to their family and friends that who liver past,
whoever came to that funeral would wear red and honor
them and not wear black. Right to show in color
and bullness and you know, and and and you and
also right to demonstrate, to demonstrates all against an illness,

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against a against a infection like that that that that
the involves of blood and everything. Now, the Register Party
has been an annual event for surreance that you go
for quite some time and have on the country.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
So I don't know what inspire the red dress run.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
But I can't help but think that it possibly has
to be interconnected, because like why else We're like, what
else would.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
You have this?

Speaker 4 (32:31):
And I know the hashtags carriers are a running group,
and so I wonder if there's a connection.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
But but I meanwet you've gone, so you can actually
tell us what what really happens there before I get
into my thoughts about the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yes, but like.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
But but we also do want to just ship to
the question about the people who have the comments about it.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
See, y'all, we also did in this world.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Let's calm down, like like people are like I'm not
I'm not that gay. People who say that, people who
say I'm not that kind of gay really just like
ground my gears because like what world.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Are we in?

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Like you we already exist on you alreadys just as subversive?
What is what is so bad about wearing a dress
for today?

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Okay or at all? Right?

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Like like fashion is fashion, and like let's be honest,
like like like fashion was made for all bodies, whether
you want believes or not, and like like let's let's
like let's like let's waket up, like the concepts of
fashion or the confines of fashion were only pushed to
us by the folks who came in Klinis to America,
so like, I don't need to subscribe to the the

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seriens of that.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Like someone who doesn't, who does not look like me,
tries to push on.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Me brother dressed girl the way, there are some days
where I'm like, girl, I would kill the bascrit right
now because it is hot in these streets, not.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Like the harmonize sweating and.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Why you think I'm always in the jump soup easy
because it cover anyway anyway. So that's a lot, I said, Twiggy,
would love to hear your thoughts, responses and possic and
possive corevucations if you have something.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
Well, all the history you said, especially around uh the
origin story with the hash House Harriers, it's all accurate,
of course, and.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
They there New Orleans chapter.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
I guess it's the best way to describe it is
who puts it on the New Orleans So it's directly connected.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
I've been going since.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Before Cold, like a couple of years before COVID, so
it's been a while, with the exception of some like
years I had to miss for work, so I went
way before it was as big as it is now.
I think to your point or your earlier point around commodification,
you know, New Orleans is one of my favorite cities

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in the country, and from the first time I went there,
I've been going two three times every year. I have
a very very solid group of close family and chosen
friends there that teach me a lot about the culture.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Not by no means does that make me an expert.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
But New Orleans is the type of city that she
calls you, she invites you in, and she and so
I think that the expansion and growth of Red Dress
Run is in part due because the city it has
such an essence that for a weekend like this, it
makes people who don't ever get to do anything like

(35:24):
this any other time of year come. And then I
think that on the flip side of that, it makes
people who are interested in making a coin come. And
so there's a lot of promoters that are from other
places who have come and started to do events there.
Whether they were invited or not. I'll let the locals
handle that part, not my business. But the event has

(35:45):
grown tremendously and so that has brought a lot of
revenue to the city. The online discourse. I'm not one
of those girls who go back and forth online.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Never been my thing. There are some people who are
called to do that. That is not she.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Said, I'm my business. I don't.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I'm not into arguing at all, like just generally.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
Of course, if I if I feel, if I have
something to say, that's when I speak. But for some
of these things, it's like, y'all, you you you you
come online and you make all of these comments. You've
never been you don't know what it's about. You didn't
look anything up, you you? I mean Google is your
she right there?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Like it?

Speaker 5 (36:30):
You literally anything.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
And you could also text people. You can text people
and say, girl, have you been to this? What what
goes on here?

Speaker 6 (36:38):
And it's the same discourse every year about the same things.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
And so that has to do with those people, and that's.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
Some work that they need to do internally that I
am not giving my labor to do for.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Them, right right, that's so real, so real.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
But I go and I have me a good black ass.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Time, and you know what, next year, I want to
be there and I want to be in the red
dress as well. You know, I will be finding somebody's
red dress to put on. But I think for me,
the reason why I posted it here, it's because it's
it's it's a it's a both en for me conversation, right,
And I'll be talking more about this whole notion around.

(37:18):
You know, it's a personal preference. It's just a joke
a little bit later. But I just live in this
place of like, you don't have to mean ask queer people.
You don't have to shit on other people who look
and live like you in order for you to feel
more valid than your your black queer experience. And so
if the the question becomes, why do you have to

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why do you even need to post that?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Like, why do you even need to say that?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, I don't need to be the address is too
much for me.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Okay, Well that's for you, right, No one told you
you got to put on a dress and go down
to New Orleans. Let the people who go down to
New Orleans and eat they crawfish and and they red dresses,
do what they do. It's not it's not gonna invalidate
your queer experiences. I just I think so much about
how we pass off our trauma to other people unknowingly,

(38:06):
whether knowingly or unknowingly.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
And I think I.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Think the reason why I posited this conversation in here is,
you know, for our listeners to really not get caught
up in absorbing that trauma. Because I know that there
are people I know who listen to the show who
I saw respond to certain things I saw around this run,
and I'm thinking to myself, you're doing exactly what they
want you to do. They want you to go back

(38:31):
and forth with them. However, what I also will say
is this even whether they know it or not, I'm
also in the in the mind now too that if
you feel called, like you said, Twig, if you feel
called to clock people where.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
It lives, do it.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Do it, you know, call people out for their femophobia,
call people out for the things that they need to
be addressed on.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
If you feel like you have the energy to do it,
do it, whether the.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Person and again whether they be a friend after you
clock them. Hey, that's the whole conversation we can have later.
But I think people need to know that there are people,
specifically black, non binarian trans people who are seeing these
rhetorics and how hurtful it can be. And like I said,
the Red Dress run for me personally, is not just

(39:16):
about the dress. It's again back to the community thing,
seeing so many black queer people get together and and
not hear anything bad come out of it. Nigga, I
want to be there, right, I want to I want
to be what a nigga's are. Just want to see
them dance in walking like in a red dress like

(39:36):
that's what That's where I'm at, you know. And so
if it's not for you, you know, look.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I don't like Taylor Swift. We all know that. But
I don't need.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
To post every five seconds about how much I hate
Taylor Swift and her music. There are people who like her. Great,
that's good for you, boo, but it's not it.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's you. That's you over there. Do that be great?
She's not for me.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
But what I'm saying is I don't need to spend
every waking hour of the day talking about how much
I don't see it for her. So I'm just I'm
just really in this vein of like, if you don't
have anything to add to our community or to the conversation.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Shut up, yep, shut up. That's it's so easy.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
You know. I really feel like it's like sometimes I
like sometimes I'm like, do people hate it because it
because they because they fear that they fear the fellows
you like it themselves?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Something always I always like you like you feel you
don't like it.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
But also like but also like why do we feel
the need to police others like we like we're especially
when we're community that has been policed for so long
in so many ways, Like we actually don't have to
space in the policing of each other anymore, we like
we like if we all want a liberal world, we
we actually have to believe that we deserve it ourselves
and we have to actually be in potts in that

(40:51):
ourselves for liberting ourselves from what we think we shouldn't
we should have should or should have shou or should
not do.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
And also like do with.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
The idea like do if anyone who might think that, like, oh,
I'm not that kind of like do away with the
idea that you might think that you're like above or
better than just because you don't do that thing that
someone else loves to do. Like we're all like at
the I think that they truthfully when like our time comes, no,

(41:19):
none that's gonna.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Matter at all at all?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
You won't you want to like, no, no, I wish I
didn't put that red dress on twenty thirty six.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Man, that may so gay, Like no, I're.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Gonna think that, not gonna think that.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Where we used to put you away.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
But you may but you may be with your friends
at years old. Black girl, do you remember when when
when when we did that redress? When and we felt
and we fell into that mountain that day right like
you might remember, like the really good experience might have
Like like you, we all deserve we all deserve good things.
We all deserve good experiences, so like be happy, rejoice

(41:58):
with us when we get to do things that make
it so good and enjoyful and excited.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
All yeah, And I say, I was just gonna say
real quick, the last thing is, you know, again this
whole privileged conversation, I think I really want us as
we're listening and we're having this conversation. I brought it
up just intentionally for us to question whether we want
privilege or liberation because I think so many queer people
specifically wanting to become the oppressor versus wanting to undo

(42:28):
the oppression. And I'm not trying to get on you know,
my social justice soapbox. But I just this is something
I revel with every single day. I have to ask myself, John,
do you want privilege or do you want liberation? And
I always have to go back to I want liberation,
And so for me, the red Dress, run Pride, anything
related to queer people being able to just be and
be able to have a good time in a world

(42:49):
that's constantly policing them, that's liberation to me. So that's
I just really felt the need for us to question
that kind of talk about.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
That a love question. Girl, I'm just asking all that
on the streets.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
You want liberation, girl?

Speaker 3 (43:01):
What you want? Girl? What you want? Girl?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Let me know us because they're two different things. They
don't look the same. They are.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
You know they are.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
The interesting thing is that you know the same things
we're saying about this negative discourse about redgister Runt. It's
the same type of energy that I mentioned earlier. The
ballroom is to get and some people still do get
from that energy, but it was it was the same
level of how much of this discourse and energy about it.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I believe you.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I believe you more than you know trust me as
a black fat fam girl, I definitely know that energy.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I feel it all the time.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Well, now that we a clock the realty girl, what
we we gotta take one more bag and we come
up with we here with y'all sent no man pam.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
All right, y'all, So this week we are coming to
y'all with our guest ma'am and are no man pama
For those who are listeners around these parts, are yes,
ma'am and our no mams is just when we see
stuff and we either want to call it out or
call it in, or if you know there's something you
just want to celebrate and you want to, you know,
kind of talk that up, honey, that's what we're here
to do. So for me this week, I'm going to

(44:15):
do my best to uh who God, I I've got
a lot to say, and I want to make sure
that we're not here for another two hours. I wanted
to first start off my yes ma'am with Samirah. For
those of you who do or don't know Samirah. Samirah
is a I guess fat influencer, if that's what you
want to call her, but she's also a singer. She
does a whole bunch of things in entertainment and I

(44:37):
definitely wanted to uplift her because I recognize that she's gate.
She's been getting a lot, and it's not just a
specific incident that I'm going to name that I'm going
to talk about my nomams that I'm talking about. I
have been watching her, I've been keeping my eye on her,
and I'm noticing that there is a lot of anti
fat rhetoric that she has been getting, and other folks
who support her has been getting as well. And so

(45:00):
I just wanted to uplift her and uplift really any
you know, black fat influencer who's really challenging these systems
that don't make stuff for us, or don't want to
work with us, or don't want us to be seen
in different ways. So shout out to you, somebodyro Hopefully
one day you'll hear this and you'll want to come
on the show and we'll be able to love on
you please and just you know, remind you how talented

(45:21):
and how needed and essential you are. Yeah, now where
things are about to get messy for me. I want
to preface this by saying, I like Cardi B. Do
I love Cardi B.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I like Cardi B. I want to make sure, I
make that very clear. This is not this is not
me going to rag on Cardi B. So I wanted
to make that distinction very clear that I love Cardi B.
Or I like Cardi B. I like her music, I
like what she stands for. Sometimes where I take issue
and it's just it's not just about this, it's any it. Okay,

(45:56):
let me break this down right. So when people go, oh,
it's just a joke, you're too sensitive. So if you're
not following what happened with Samira, Samira basically so Cardi
B had put out some clothes and all of the
three x in her line basically got ate up and
Samira is so So basically Cardi B said, oh, you
fat bitches you know, bought all my shirts up, you know,

(46:19):
lose some weight and so many in so many words,
that's basically what Cardi B said. So that way, you know,
folks can fit in the you know, so you can
buy up the one x's and the two exes. A
lot of fat influencers and a lot of fat people
did not like that take. I know Cardi B. I
know what Cardi B means. Cardi B is very playful
in her words. So I knowing Cardi B. I understand, however,

(46:42):
and that's what I said. Two things can't exist at
the same time. People did not like what she had
to say, which is fair when you when you have
a platform, you gotta be careful. So Samirah responds and
then basically to double down on that. Instead of saying,
you know what, maybe next time I will be called
with my words, I'm sorry if I offended any of
my fat you know, my fat fans, Cardi B basically

(47:05):
told her to go fuck herself in so many words
and said, it's just a joke. I'm sick of y'all
always being so sensitive about everything. I want to say
this to make this clear for listeners. It's the same
way when women say I don't feel comfortable with this
thing that this man said to me, and people tell
that woman, girl, is just a joke. You're being too sensitive.

(47:26):
When black people are in a room and white people
say and do shit and we go ooh that thing
is really that didn't feel good to me and Gerde
just they were just joking. Why are you being sensitive?
That is the same thing that fat people felt in
that moment, and so it's not just a joke when
it's affecting people's livelihoods. This whole big back of it

(47:49):
on We've talked about big backs on several.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Several episodes of our show.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Is it impacts people people with eating disorders, including myself. Right,
Like when you hear big and when you hear people
make jokes about your size, even if it's done playfully,
you have to remember that there have been folks who
have lived their whole entire lives with people making jokes
about who they are and telling them that they were
being too sensitive.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I got teased as a.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Kid for being quote unquote e fibinate right, for being
too sensitive. John, you can't take a joke, nah, nigga,
I can't take a joke because you are. Now niggas
are coming after me, wanting to fight me and kill me. Okay,
So what I'm saying and all of this, and again
I'm hoping that it makes sense. You know, this is
not a shot at CARDI. This is not a shot

(48:35):
at people who quote unquote you know, like to make
jokes about fat. I mean, hell, I'm fat. I make
jokes about being fat all the time. But I think
that there's something to be said about telling people when
they say, WHOA, that's a little too far. When that
person says that, for you to validate that, not for
you to say, oh, it's just a joke. Nah, fuck off.
They feel a certain type of way. You need to
hear that, you need to understand that, and you need

(48:58):
to let them unpack that, and then we go from there.
That's just kind of my take on that. So anyone
who's out here just like, oh, it's just a joke. Nah,
fuck you, it's not just a joke. We're all feeling
different things, and we're all feeling them a thousand percent
more considering the times that we're living in.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Can I just say, like, I just want to say
I think because I because it's like you bring up
like such a such a great I mean, I just
I love what you're saying about this and night when
I really like I want that. There's like there's like
searingly nuanced about this, right because it's like it's like
on one hand, like like like like as a day

(49:36):
like Cardi is a girl from the Bronx, like Cardio
is a hood ask girl, so like so like so
like so like I think like it's like it's like
I think it's like to your pupil, but that you
made like like you know what Cardi meant because like
right because like like like like you like the like
the hood when you start to take on the hood
also raised you, so like you know.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
What you know what she's saying.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
And I think people needn't understand as well, right like
like when you are black, when you're let's name, when
you're Dominican, right like like you're from this place, the
way you communicate is so different than how you may
want to be communicated to. So I think, so I
want people like I don't I don't think. I don't
think undink what.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Car said was right or her dubbling down was right.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
But also I also do want people understand, like people
especially who build their entire persona like off of being
like this, like this bad bitches that doesn't give anyone
says like the way the way I respond to her
won't won't won't be the way with it with it
she listens.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
And also for Cardi, b I'm my girl, like like.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
You're like you're doubling down on people who like who
love and rock with you, who.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Have been here for you, isolating a certain Democrats of
your fans what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Like like who who love who love her stuff?

Speaker 4 (50:47):
And then the issue isn't that us as fat bitches
bought all your ship.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
It's that you don't make a noo ship.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
First. You could put out.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Let's let's let's let's let's talk about it, like you
don't even make like no place makes enough for fat
bitches in the birth place like means a bad bitch
can only get has a one and a five hundred
chance of getting a shirt, while miss my asside over
here has a one in two thousand chance of getting
your shirt, or you put out more exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Like Cardi just my shirt.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
It's like God for being fat bitches want merchant ship
Like yeah, like like like like like it wasn't that deep, girl,
So it really was like yes, Like on one hand,
we need to understand that people's vernacular is different, and
we might want to consider what that nactery might mean

(51:36):
to them and how it impacts us and how maybe
we can really got between communication.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
And also, girl, it was not that deep, bitch, just
get them to make the damn ships.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
F us that she could like.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Are you mad that you're mad that you sold out?
Like you're mad that you sold out? Girl, I make
it makes sense. The math is math matter mad, Like
you're mad that you had no more shirt to take
this out?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Is it not a good thing for you?

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Girl?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Like it's just like it's just messy all around.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
And when you have a person who respects you so
much and says, hey, love right because summarvin him in
because Cardi was like, fuck y'all, Like, y'all shame me
for having a BBM, so obviously BBL, So I'm gonna
shame y'all.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Girl, that's not the same too.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Like two, so you're a shame of whole publishing people
because what are three people said you said your BBO steps?

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Girl, Like come on girl, come on.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Now you and and and Smorrow like and big ups
to Smorrow like for first for say like and she
know her best is like, hey girl, we love you,
we support you, you know, we know, we know we
love the stuff you do, and people should not shame
you for having BBL. And you also don't have to
shame us for this either, right, Like she's like the
never cloud back, like shut the fuck up. Your pussy
stinks girl. Also like can we can we stop solving

(52:55):
fights with your pussy stinks like that just like nothing
for nobody, girl.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Like I mean, it's a very ballroom thing to say,
so shout out to Cardi for.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You know, again, for you.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
To be like match your pussy's thinking, Like, Okay, that's
a very ballroom thing to say. All right, girl, But
I'm just I'm just so over it. I'm just really
over it. It's like we're all adults and it's just
so stupid.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Like we could end fat for an hour, like we
really could, We really could.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
We could just stop.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Like it's also like it's like it's low hanging fruit,
it's logging fruit.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Like it's just like making fun of queer people. It's
low hanging like we all know it. It's old. Calling
fat people fat is old. Like someone called me effect
the other day and I looked at them.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Like, what do you What do you want me to do?
Do you want me to cry at my big age
of forty? You want you think?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
I don't know when I went to the house and
my god, you thought I didn't know. You thought I'm like,
oh I'm a fat, Oh my god, Oh I.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Didn't even know. My god, I knew I was gay.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
My god, I've been sucking the same thing for fifteen years.
My god, I've been married to my husband for so
long I didn't know. Oh my god, what a moment.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
A moment.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Okay, okay, Twiggies, Like what did I.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Sign up for? Anyway? Right?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Really like you go, you're gonna make fun of me
for being big, like bitch, I know I'm big, my god,
and it is just so stupid. Anyway, anyway, before you
get me riled up, twiggy, what are your guest ma'am's
and your no ma'am so this week and then Joho
will pass it to you.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
If you have I do I do, I do the
side My yes ma'am is a.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
No, which is weird, but I'm break it down.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Yes ma'am is saying yes ma'am to not feeling the
need to be on social media and share everything, like
you can give yourself a break, you can not be
on it at all. Sometimes I've just found being more

(55:07):
present and in like intimate spaces and community spaces and
just like, yes, I want to capture the moment of
our kind of stuff, mostly for myself, not even social media.
But then there's just something really special about not at
all like those moments were like nobody's on their phone,
everybody's having a good time, like I just I've had

(55:28):
several of those this year, in particular and intentionally, and
so I'm just gonna continue saying yes ma'am to those
and then my no ma'am is silly, but also like, girl,
get your kids off the floor in that airport, Get
damn kids off the floor in the airports.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Me off to know, I like.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
I have to go and walk the other way because
I'd be so irritated your kids off the floor.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
You sound just like me because I be. I will
literally be by. Why is that baby on the ground?
It is so with the carpet all just or not?
Couldn't be me? It couldn't be me. I want to holler.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I literally wanting to holler like edwena. Literally I'd be
sitting Why has that? I ain't got no.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Shoes on in the airport? Why are you touching that?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Yeah mm hmm, but no, that is such a valid no, ma'am.
All disgusting, disgusting. What about you, Joe, what do you have?

Speaker 4 (56:44):
I'm gonna say so like yes, ma'am, hemm's gonna be
to me and my priory team.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
That's why give us on the mic.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Because the successful festival is not easy.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I believe you, And want to be really clear.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
We're not paying people were volunteers, so we all have
jobs aside this work. So we're giving our it's a
labor of love outside of work hours. And we're dedicating
months to doing a three day long event, which I
will say I am doing that no more girls.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Three days is not for me. Two days max and
call that good one.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
But like giving ourselves to this work is not easy,
and I want we want to shout out our reproducer, Yinka,
who like we really like we work with I mean
like like she's the one that really is like like
she hddled so much of the heavy lifting and I
wanted to give her a shout out. She'll never listen

(57:37):
to this, you know, she always begs me on the show,
but like she does such good fucking work and I'm
so thankful to work with her, Like she made the
process so smooth. Like we're in constant communication each other
even when like like like I'll Textra when I am
starting up four you like where are your Like our
Wiking Our Wiking moments are like the best will has

(57:59):
to go on what do we do and stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And like that's just not easy, but it's so great.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
I'm so grand to do it with people that I
rock with that I love very much, that I care about,
the do such great work as well too. Every person
on the team showed up, showed up this whole weekend, right,
Like we all have obviously lives, so we all sometimes
we can't all plug in at the same time to.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Do things together.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
We know one person takes on more than the other.
But at the at the actual on this weekend, everyone
showed up and everyone did everyone like did y'all did
all they could and that was amazing. It was just
so so good. So really get one, get big ups
to our to this team for doing it. And everybody
everybody was like, oh my god, d'ren like you should
be so proud of yourself, like you just use such
such a good job. And every person that said that
to me, and I was like, it's not me, Like

(58:38):
it's not me, like it's us, like we did this
and like collective, wow, why Like well I love a praise.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It's like it's like like this work was us work.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
It was it was working community like it was not
like I like, I'm not the one who did all
this by myself in any way, and and and and
tru like I'm I even do like forty percent of
the work, Like we all did this. We all put
in our ten percent together to make the thing happened.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
And family can hire.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Yes, like that's why it said to every single person.
So I really just want to give give give big
ups to us for that. It was amazing. I'm so thankful.
I'm so grateful. I'm so tired.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
So no one, no one, if you, if you, if
you wants to show y'all, don't text me this week.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Don't actually question.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I won't even text you. And I text you almost
daily and.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
We will evaluate, will evaluate next week after this and
call that good one, okay, And don't worry, and don't worry.
I will pay people this week. Is well, people, We
don't worry. People get paid well nothing. No one talks
about when you when you gotta responsible for other people's payments.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Ooh, girl may be on you. That sh it's not
by bey on you. And I'm like, baby, yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
So we we The contract says within five days.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It's day one.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Let's relax, trust me, I too, am a contractor. I
get paid, not thirty.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Be happy you've been net five girl, I forty five left.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Relax not too much.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
On us seeing that ninety is some nasty bird.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I I got you on that five days, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Six ninety has ruined my life before.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
My god, my god, because I know that y'all get paid.
I pay you quickly because I know what it's like.
But like y'all, the event just ended like firty seconds ago.
Let me let me go home first and count the
like like they count the sales we got, so I
can know how much we have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
To pay you with.

Speaker 9 (01:00:27):
Can yeah, can I count the Can I count the
dollars first before you start? The dogs in my hand still,
Uncle Sam, literally Uncle Sam, he'd be having his hand
in your pocket before you even get a chance to
spend it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
My nomm pam mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Is so that raggy bitch Kim Davis, Because now, if
y'all know Kim Davis, she was the woman from Kentucky
who could.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
This. This is what brought forth the land are ruling
right that, like the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Help supports are ruling about allowing the same sex marriage.
This will when was all bad as shaped because she
was asked to make a cake for a gay wedding
and she said no. She said, I'm beginning to the
Supreme Court ten.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Years are after we get gay marriage rule legal.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
She then formally asks him to overturn the Now, first
of all, this is deep, this is this is devilish work.
She did wait till the she waited to the right
moment to do it, which I'm like, no, a girl,
you're an evil genius because you wish were right right, Yes,

(01:01:40):
it's like yeah she said, she said, she said, go ahead,
y'all have your kike eat it too for now. But
just she waits, like at my moment and now she's here,
But Kim, you still beat out of that damn cake. Girl,
you're macause you were in your own life. Is you
gonna be because you you have to be a salty asshole.
But girl, get it together.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
And she'll never have it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
She'll never have she'll never happen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
And now like and now like, my rights are in jeopardy.
My rights are in jeopardy all because you hold on. Sorry,
I got fat checked in real time. My my annoying
brother who was still here, set me an article on
my phone saying she was not the baker.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
She was a county clerk. So let me say redacted.
Think you were redacted. You're right, she was not the baker,
she was a county clerk.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
So I still said. I said, the bitch was still
out for something. The bitch will still bent over having
to follow the law. God forbid, girl, the law makes
you give people a marriage license.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Girl.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Second toe, someone said she looks like a boo boo.
She doesn't boo boo, and that's and that's why I
don't want them. Anyways, I still say no to her
because she defied the corder to issue a marriage license.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
That's why. Yes, yes, yes, okay, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
She's on her third marriage. Is her third marriage. That's
the thing we also need to How are.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
You going to be like y' can get married once,
but you can get married three times?

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
But yeah, you can't be married once, but I'm gonna
be married three times with multiple children from different people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Okay, girl, you know, I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I'm not trying to steal your I'm not trying to
steal your thunder Joeho. But I'm just I'm really sick
of hypocrites. I think that's that should have been my my, my,
no man this week. But I said, I think this
especially hypocritical Christians like and I really like we can.
I know we can talk for hours about it, and
I know we've talked about it and sprinkles of different episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
But it's just I'm seeing it more and more and more.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
These last couple of weeks, and it's just really starting
to It makes my skin crawl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I just like it makes my bootyage. It just is
one of those thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
It's just the hypocrites, the hypocrisy that lives in our country,
the ways we treat each other, the ways that we're
constantly trying to take from one another in a time
when we are all just trying to survive. Like it's
like there's so many other things we should be thinking about,
and we should and and and this here we are.
You're you're worried about me when gas is six dollars?

(01:04:20):
Can we talk about fucking cheetos being six dollars cheetos
for a bag of Cheetos? It was six, it's six, baby,
I'll be here all week. I'm sorry, I'm just I'd
be so irritated. But anyway, all that to be said,
Yeah fuck her and her lu bubo looking ass, even

(01:04:42):
though I do love a good little boo multiple Anyway,
all that to be said, Uh, thank you, thank you
all for listening to us banter the way that we did.
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(01:05:02):
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Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
Also Instagram and Threads simply Twiggy, the same on Blue
Sky simply Twiggy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Amen, Amen, Queen Joho, Where can the dolls find you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
As you can every week, my love.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
You can find me at Jojo Dann's across all socials,
my website jordiance dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
If not that you will find me hiding under.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
A rock, do not do not, don't look for me,
do not come, do not come Let me Patrick.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Starting out hot down in the bikini bottom. I know
that's right mmmmmmmm. Well as for me and mind. You
can find me down to the w W dot Doctor
John Paul dot com. You can also find me on
social using the same handle doctor John Paul. You have
to spell the doctor. I'll be telling people d O
C T O R. You gotta spell it out, honey,

(01:05:57):
you won't be able to find me any other way.
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Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
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You got to support your local bookstore. You can also
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Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
To watch it. Just it's gonna make you feel real, yes,
just a smidge.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
We want to thank our super producer Bay Wang for
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Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
No visuals, no nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
We would be sitting the way we're all sitting looking
at Beyonce. We're just waiting. We ain't got nothing, Beyonce.
Can you give us something? We deserve something else?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Till they said it might come this year, which.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Is worth.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Rumor is that I think her dad kind of said
too much. But because of the her, her whatever, that's that,
that theft that happened in Atlanta, that she's going to
be releasing stuff sooner than anticipated, because I think she's
worried that it's going to get out before she's able
to put it out. So we can only hope that

(01:07:25):
September fourth will get something this year. But yeah, I
just Beyonce, just give us something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
We we miss you, I miss you. Are you a
big fan of Beyonce? Twe Oh yes, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Yes, she's all over the place. I was about to
turn around, but I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Usually my Beyonce my blanket from Renaissance, you know, usually
right here.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
I don't know where she at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Okay, okay, cool. I love when I'm a good company.
With that being said, this has been another show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Stay black, fat, femine, fabulous, and remember what Jojo.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
We may not be you a cup of tea, girl,
but get some liquid. I V because it's hot in
these streets.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
By ball, you'll be looking like Fantasia, about to kick
your shoes off and sweating out your wig. It's hot,
so take care of yourself. I love us for real.
I see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Bye,