Falling Out of a (Racist) Coconut Tree

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Black Fat
Fem Podcast, where all the intersessions of a Danny are celebrated.
I am one of your hosts, Jordan or Jojo if
you're a nat steaker, if you're a neat steaker, And
this week I'm taking the reins for John because mother
just moved.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Move and on up move and own up, move and
on up move and own up.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
So we try to give them a chill piel today.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Mother, how are you you know? So you know it's
John also known as doctor John Paul. And yes, the
dust has settled, but has the shade? The shade last always?
You know. I want to say this so many of
you have probably gotten hints that yes, the girl has

(00:52):
the doll has moved. I moved from a two bedroom
to a three point five bathroom. A two point was
a three point five bedroom. It's considered point five because
the bathroom inside the room does not have a shower,
which is weird. It's the hole to do. But I
officially have my own office now, which makes me so

(01:14):
fucking happy because after almost nine years of not having
my own space to be able to like create and
move the way I want to. I now can just
come in and shut the door and really just focus
without feeling like I have to be bothered. So that
is the most beautiful feeling in the world. But I
was going to save my rent for my nomn PAM,

(01:35):
and I decided at the beginning of this show that
I'm not going to do that. We are going to
start off the show with me coming out the gate hot.
So I just want to say this that I'm a
huge believer that customer service died at the top of
the pandemic. And I don't mean that to be like,

(01:56):
how do I say this, Because you know, diet is
a choice word with the pandemic and with corona IRUs, right,
so I know it could be real murky for people,
and people be like, ooh, that's problematic, right. So I
want to be very very cautious in saying that. I
don't make a joke about what the pandemic has gave
or what the pandemic has done to us. But what
I will say is that customer service was one of
the things that went out the window with the mask

(02:18):
and all the other stuff that we were doing, the
COVID precautions that we were doing. And I will say this,
COVID's out there, girl flirt. She's taking the girls down big.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's supposed to be a twenty percent in these counties,
girl one five people, I said.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Girls, she's doing the thing. Anyway. So the long of
the short of it is is that I paid a
specific company some change and I was gonna name it,
and then my husband was like, don't say their name
because you don't want any lawsuits. So I'm not gonna
say their name. I'm just going to say that if

(02:58):
you live in the Inland Empire, they are a company
with in an empire and their name, So I'll just
say that. Okay, they were neither mindful nor helpful. Movers.
Do with that what you will, baby, so let me

(03:21):
just Okay. So I've already shared the story with you, Jojo,
but to the listener, you're probably wondering what the fuck happened? Okay,
So the movers got here Thursday morning. Everything was great,
it was fantastic. It was fine. It was by two,
about two two thirty right that I started to notice, Okay,
this shit is going downhill very quickly because I was
looking around and and and the big stuff wasn't moved. Right, Okay,

(03:44):
I feel like I'm telling you this story all wrong,
but I but I okay. So they get to the house.
They're great, Everything is fantastic. Y'all just gonna have to
rock with me through the story time drank, you know.
They come through, they're smiling, everybody's great, everyone's having a
good day. Yeah, we're gonna move. We're gona have a
really good time. Everything's gonna be very smooth. We don't
want you distress. Oh but that was not the case. Right.

(04:04):
So I'm looking at my watch by like twelve thirty,
and I'm looking around my apartment and I'm realizing that
none of the big stuff has been moved. Our couch
is still in the house, shelves are still in the house,
my peloton is still in the house, like all the
big stuff. And I'm looking around, going, if we're gonna
move all these boxes and all this big stuff, why
are y'all moving so slow? Right? So two o'clock comes,

(04:29):
Keep in mind, and none of the big stuff has
been moved at this point, and it's we are now
four hours into this move. So I'm looking at the clock, going,
I'm not paying y'all overtime. You need to be done
before five, because that's what I paid for. I paid
for eight hours. We'll hurry up. We gotta, we gotta,
we gotta, we gotta be okay cool. So we then

(04:49):
by like two fifteen, I'm going, now, y'all, don't got it,
Let's just get these boxes to the new house, because
again I'm not paying overtime for y'all. We get to
the new house, they start moving stuff again, moving real
super slow, and I'm like, are y'all what y'all like? Hopscotching,
jump roping, Like what are y'all doing out there? Then

(05:11):
they're looking at me like I'm supposed to grab a box,
And I'm like, nigga, why are you looking at me
like I'm supposed to be lifting a box? Girl? Tell
me why. It gets to be five o'clock and half
of that U haul truck is still full, still full.

(05:34):
So by five fifteen, I'm texting this man who owns
this company, going, it's five fifteen and your truck is
still halfway full because your movers have been outside playing
duck duck goose. Okay, you know. They took all the
boxes off that truck and left them on the side
of the road and left. No, I can't.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Make or that part of the notes.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
No, pull it all out the truck, left it on
the side of where we're gonna go buy your best
All three of them left. Me and Jonathan have the
mood to rest in the boxes.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Okay, So it was so it was three dudes. Okay,
I have some questions, but it's okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
So how big was the truck?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
First of all, it was the twenty six foot truck.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
So three three minute truck.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
So so, folks, folks don't know my background growing.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Up, my parents on my parents own.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
A movie company.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, you did, I know a thing. I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I think are three about moving?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So you tell me you had three men and the
twenty six foot truck bobby tail to be to be
more kind, which is the type of track most likely?
And and you packed up a two bedroom place and
it took them It took it took.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Them four hours to pack. Now when now, when they
packed the place up, did you have the boxes? You
already have boxes. Everything was already box. All they had
to do was just move half of the stuff was
in our garage. Half of the half of the boxes
were in the garage.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
It took four hours to just move boxes into the truck. Now,
your place did have stairs, so they had stairs to
get down. Yeah, and no elevator and how far was
the truck from you.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Know, the old So my old place had an elevator.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okay, oh work okay, okay, So it took them four
hours with elevator to move the boxes that you already
packed up. And then still not even with the movie bay.
First they definitely had a room four in that truck.
Then after five hours they moved it over and then
it took them three hours to and maybe.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
To take to them. Do they unload they unload the
big furniture at least, and then just left the Wow.
Ye wouldn't have flown in my family's business.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Wouldn't not have flown would have actually been like we're
gonna comp you this move now.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
We're so sorry.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I mean, also, it would just never happened like that
ship ouger.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
When I when I have my movers, I was like
listening on paying about the hour, and I know y'all
is right, and y'all are really nice people. But I
know they should not take more than two hours to
wrap this place up. I already have the sid box,
or they just wrap the ship and table and bring
it down.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
We have, That's the thing. I Right, everybody I've talked
to has said that this is sketch, that it took
them eight hours to do this for a two bedroom house.
And I've I've been trying to be very kind and
like how im diligent and how I've dealt with it.
But now now that I've talked to you, now that
we were having this conversation, and now that I've talked

(08:33):
to everyone I've talked to about this story, I'm getting
more and more upset by the day.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
If they were having issues if, for example, right, like
like your new place is three stories right, three stories right,
it is three stories stories and right, so like it
would make sense if it took longer for them to
unload into that space. Right, but like but like it's
like it's trufullly so like growing up, we we could
have moved, well I say we as if I was
with some boxes myself right right that us through you know,

(09:01):
they they would move, They would move a whole house
in a day, like a whole house. I got three
four bedroom house in a day. Wow, you know, an
eight hour day, maybe ten hours given what demand on
what stuff they had right, right, and and and and
and things. You know, like moving is not changed much,
but like you know, like things are different today than
there were before. Things were heavier back then in a
lot of ways too, right, And so they would move

(09:23):
a whole house and aged ten hours maximum, right, So
there's no way that as to move a two bedroom
play like it took maybe like when we moved when
I moved here to maybe six hours to move to
moving on everything. But that's because I was still boxing
when they got there, and we had stairs, we had

(09:47):
we were stairs's and we were a twin men drive
away from where I was already to so like so
you know, so like like like those things at on,
but like it should not.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
And I only had only had two people.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Those are the things I had two people for just
three people, because the whole point is that you have
three people. You have two people to move stuff, one
person about to watch the truck and switch off. And
so if they had to they have three people, and
they were no, no, no, no, I'm mad for you.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Let me find them on Google. Let me let me
find on Google.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Let me let me cut them out for you real quick.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Let me tell y'all, y'all doing the thing at all,
and they should they should.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
What they should do is call you back and say
we're gonna actually refunge you the like the price, especially
they left your stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
On the side of the house.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, that in itself grounds for termination.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Nope, we're done. Yeah, you're done. So like that. Yeah,
now talking to that, it's definitely going to It's definitely.
I'm now gonna escalate it and say I want to
at least half of what I paid back because I
had to go back. And that's the other thing. I
had to go back on Saturday to get the rest
of my stuff, Like I had to pay someone move everything,

(10:51):
and they didn't even move everything. I still had to
go back and pick up more stuff the next day
or two days later. So I'm I'm definitely, yeah, you
got my mind moving. But anyway, all that to be said,
now that I have, now that I have exhausted that story,
and I probably and I don't want to relive it again.
We are We're gonna go ahead and push through with

(11:11):
like you know mode family this week, y'all.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
You know we are allowed to mix things up, but
we're gonna Kiki and Cuckoo say about everything. End of
the Sun and we're gonna kick it off. And I
guess not first this time, because second, because you're winning
the story.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
But we're gonna give We.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Still gonna give us a do every week missic she
cambo her flowers and are still here segment. And since
we're in Olympic season, John, I'm going to ask you
if you can make up another ban Calgary support to
compete And what would it be?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Now?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
For me, it's easy.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
It would be memorizing all the ad libs in the
R and B songs. Okay, like a girl when Beyond
was like girl, haven't knowing yous and she wits you
cannot have them your friends?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Girl? That was my ship. Okay, Yeah, I mean I
live in a song, Baby, I got a memory? Yeah?
Uh care to Yeah. Beyonce. Beyonce, like her her runs
and her ad libs are an extremely important part of

(12:15):
what it should be an Olympic sport because when she
was in her uh DC days, Mama was definitely adding
in all. You know, I always think about before I
go on and give by, I always think about that performance.
Do you remember when she did when she sang Emotions
with Celine Dion and she was hollering in Celine Dion's ear.
You probably are too young to remember that, but yeah,

(12:36):
there's a there is a performance. Go on YouTube, look
up the The Destiny's Child and Celene Dion duet of
Emotions and and Beyonce is doing her. Beyonce is Beyonce
and she is literally because that that's the thing about Beyonce.
When she was younger, she had a moment. She had
moments where she was always trying to out sing other people,

(12:58):
or she was doing a lot of runs. And so
in this in particular moment, she is singing and Mama
is literally hollering at Selene Dion's ear, and Selene looks
at her like girl, like you could see you can
see Selene being a professional, but like Beyonce is like her,

(13:21):
like girl, why are you doing bitch?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
He no Beyonce, No, no, no, no, don't do what
to Beyonce.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, So it is that that moment. If you have
never seen that perform that performance, please go back. But
I was gonna say a girl nigger. Look at your
shall he We ain't never what down. But anyway, I'll

(14:01):
say this in all seriousness, I have said I think
stripping should be a bard and hear me out. This
is why, because think about I think of strippers as Olympians,
Because if somebody told my big black, fat ass to
jump up on a pole and shake my ass, I wouldn't. Like,
there's no that I could get up to the top

(14:23):
of somebody's pole and then like spin around and do
a whole bunch of tricks and then drop it to
a split. It ain't postive period.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Did you did you watch p Valley?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
No? I I tried a few episodes. I never got
into it.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I understand I said that.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
But so in the first episode, Mercedes uh then that dances,
And to me, this was a genius decision. They the
director like cuts to music, right, and so all you
hear is Merced is like huffing up, huffing, huffing and buffing.
You hear her climbing up the pole. You hear like
you hear like like you hear how much how much

(15:00):
work it is to do to get on a pole.
And she's with herself like she is doing that actually
she's acting in that, and I was like, this is
cannot be mean since it sounds he looks effortless.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
But I know these girls are screaming. They're like, please
give me off this damn hoole girl.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
So really agreed shippers are Olympians because it really takes.
It takes a whole body, a built body, do lash.
It cannot be me. Whoo mm hmm. Yeah, I very
much that. I've always said I truly believe that being
a stripper should be an Olympian sport and I don't
know why it's not. But here we are, you know.
So But anyway, with that being said, now that everybody

(15:37):
knows my business, we have to take a break so
we can take care of ours. So with that being said,
grab a snack and come on back. All right, y'all.
So for this week's category, we are gonna talk about
something that I have been I've been mentioning. So me

(16:00):
and Joe we're going back and forth via text, and
I was telling them that I had so I'll say this.
Jo Ho sent me something this week. I don't know
if any of you have seen it. It's the two
white boys who are re enacting the scene from Norby
where she's like, no, but I was a child and
he turns around child, Yeah, child, but child, and and

(16:21):
and and when she turns around and he runs toward
Its whole the whole bit. You can find it on
the On that Clock app. But I text Joe Becka said, Mama,
this this is racist. This is a little and then
I said, So, we were going back and forth by
what we're gonna talk about this week, and I said,

(16:42):
we're gonna to a whole episode about things that feel racist,
things that they walk the tight rope. And I don't
even like saying rope and blackness in the same line, right,
that's still problematic to me. It feel racist. But we're
gonna talk about that video specifically or other videos. And
what I have made a note about is, you know

(17:04):
this is you know, as much as we we the
last few weeks have been very heavy, So we were
intentionally trying to lighten up the episodes because next week
we're gonna get back anto tizing about more heavy and
and more you know lgbt Q, you know, centered conversations.
So we're just kind of having some fun around this,
but really thinking about this this idea and there have

(17:24):
been other folks who have gone into conversations around this,
the notion of digital blackface, and so just kind of
this idea of wanting to encourage people to look more
into digital black face, but also kind of just sitting
with my my good Judy and being like, girl, is
this giving racist or not? So what do you got, joh,
what are some of the things in your mind that

(17:45):
feels racist but might not be racist?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay, my first thing is Kenn Swift twin four flags.
I know I'm gonna heat for this, but it's giving
social behavior.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's and and and and it's it's.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
A Maga fay got for reason and my neighbor because
I live with the gays and many gays love tailor Swift.
I walk around my I walk on the street and
times to see it twenty four flag that looks just
like a Maga flag and that legit jump. I'm like,
oh my god, what is that? And I'm like, oh,
this is It's a Swift flag.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
And I'm not like, I mean, obviously, I know, I mean,
I know it's not racist.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I think it's a little racist. Honestly feels racist.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Wait, what where did you've never heard what.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Never, But but it is Taylor twenty. It's the same style.
Now it looks like it's not me. So that's that's
my first one. It just it just gives self super
behavior and people who honestly, this is a take, but

(18:46):
I think people who rapport to the swift so deeply
have so super behavior as well too.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
And I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like I'm saying there there's a level of acceptability for Taylor,
like I did it. I really do understand people love her,
but there are folks who like every story of the
posts of viview of hers, like people who post constantly
that like their obsession with her. Girl, yeah girl, And
and I know, and I know if they could vote
for her, they vote for her, and.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So it's giving racism. My second thing is gentification. Gentification
is just inhaling is racist and and I know, I
know non white folks can also be part of gifing
as well, but the d of it racist, it's racism.
It's all my black and the neighborhoods, and alongside gentification
is a specialty stores ran by white folks.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Neighborhoods of color. I have of color, white.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Folks decided to own specialty stores. And I understand the
why right. The why is cheaper rent, the why is
diverse crowd. But there's always a question about why would
you choose this place, because you know they don't want you.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
To ask why are you here?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I live? But lizmon had Brent frees is one woman
who want to.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Open an outwas Fresco store here in by your logan,
which is amara lasting area, and the the community ran
her out.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
They were like, okay, why because she was like, I.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Love I was freshcost so much ey, So I felt
like there should be a story as a white.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Lady selling Fresco.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
And all the people were like, girl, you can buy
with Rester every spot on on the block here, like
we all saw sress, but no one sells it like
ice it no one sells it like just by itself,
and like why Mitch, Mitch just just up in a
jump juice then like you need to come into I
was freshcoss, it was just right. And then and then
the last day I would say air one, I haven't

(20:36):
been to air one. I never will go to Air one.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
It just.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Like racist and elitist. So that's a meager How about you.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, so I will say this that. So I initially
had some and I was just like, I'm gonna go
ahead and just put a whole list together, and I
actually asked media, right, I went in and I went
in with the whole list, so we can just go
through some of them. We don't have to go through
all of them. But I was gonna say people had

(21:05):
there are a lot of people who have the same
who had the same response, Like the response on Twitter
got air, like the numbers started moving and I was like, okay,
but a lot of the responses were the same thing.
And so I just compiled the list down to the
stuff that we saw. So this is a no in
particular order. But some of the listeners that I that
that we asked that responded said this. So the one

(21:28):
of the one that kept coming up was when someone
says brother to you. Yes, when when a white says, hey, brother,
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I hate but something some some folks get get a
little bit rudy.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
This is my brother.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
No. No, yeah, you're like, I got four I don't
need anymore. No, absolutely not. So that that's one, but
you know what else someone else had made it note
about when someone said, hang tight, hang tight. That that
reads you see it. You caught it right, so yeah,

(22:10):
hang tight is another one that someone said on the
social area where people say that ship oh no, yeah,
what no racist cracker barrel. Cracker barrel is.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, they they I will never afford it.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's racist, never afford it. But they make some nice
ship and they do make some nice stuff in that
little store. But the fact that you have to walk
through that store and what it's given, it's given very
much plantation, like it's plantation chic before you actually sit
down at the girl not don't feel comfortable in here.

(22:50):
Every time I go to crack your bill, I'm like,
this ain't for us. Next one that was very popular
was for explorers.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Everyone says, okay, so I thought some of this because
I saw it was like on I mean, yes, I
get it because the but also have Ford.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Explorers as well too. That is very correct. Yeah, so
I'm like, but.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's sad because the pub I made more explorer is
racist because when I ask you for exploor, I meet immediately.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'm like ten to tend to look around, yeah, I
always do. So for me, my thing is is I'm
always looking for the lights. I'm always that girl, Like
anytime I see a Florida Explorer, see anything that resembles
a Ford Explorer to me, I'm always doing kind of
that look of like is that do they doesn't have
police lights? So I so I could feel that, I

(23:45):
feel it. I get it. I very much get it,
and I very much understand it. I was gonna also
say so. The next one that was very popular in
this list this list was Oakley's. People said oakley sunglasses
read racist.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
They do they do?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
They just they just they know they look no, no,
it's just no. I see them always like.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, Now I put down uh for the next one,
the person who watches you at self checkout at Target.
That gives racism. That that gives racism to me. And
then let's go back to restaurants. I also put down
when somebody asks you if you want hot sauce at

(24:27):
a restaurant bringing the room, do you know do not
want hot sauce on your table? Well, I mean I
don't like hot sauce. You know that. You know I
don't like hot stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oh I forgot that. Yeah, Well then okay, that's how racism.
That's just the room and You're like, oh, you don't
want it?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
No, But I'm like, what is it? Like, what's her?
Is it because I'm black? Is it because we're black? Like?
Why are you asking me? Do you can't ask me
if I want condiments? You can't say what you like condiments?
You sexy directly if I want hat sauce, girl, that's ship.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You're right, because I do notice whenever I go with
my with my with black friends or friends of color,
we'll always ask you.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Wan hant sauce?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, well white friends, it's usually of what what comments
might you like?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
And we're like huh oh, and was like yep, always
watching them. So we got a few more that we're
gonna get through, and we're gonna talk through and then
we'll go onto our next segment, because are now our
next segment we're going to spend a minute talking about.
But I was gonna say, so someone else mentioned so
some serious ones that came through professionalism, but I definitely

(25:41):
professionalism kept coming up, and I was gonna say, professionalism
does read is racism, but it is racism because the
notion of someone having to be professional, Like if you
really dug into what professional means a lot of it
is rooted in this notion of you as a person
of color or marginalized person having to kind of like
play up the world in order for someone to respect

(26:01):
you in the workplace. So yes, so that one, even
though it doesn't read traditionally like racist quote unquote, it
still has racial undertones. I was gonna say. The thing
for me which I actually found living out here is
the consecutive flags being in a row. If I see
homes with multiple American flags, it tells me everything I
need to know about.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
We have to leave out When for the July we
went to uh having to a friend's house and on
her block, on their block, literally like ten houses on
each side in a row, all had the American flag out,
and that legit. We're on the street and we're both like,
were you seen this film before? Girl?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Like and then literally at our friend's house is the
only house to have like a private flag as a
matter of flag, And he was like, this is just
too much.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Too much. They coming for you, girl, yeah, girl, And.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Also raised up on the list you put you put
bass Pro shops and I must, I just, I just
I must affirm that when I see about the shop
I'm nearly. I'm like racism, racism and what they do there,
but racism, I'm not. I'm sure it's like a fishing
shop racism to me.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, I hate it here. Yeah somebody said so that,
yes very much. In a lot of bastro shops were
also go talk about Texas row House. Texas Rowhouse, the
rolls are good, let's talk about it. I'm I'm gonna
eat a Texas row House role. But it also does
give racism. No, it does, it does? It does.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm always like, this is the place where they I
feel like they would sell us on the table for
some time. I feel you, I feel I also see
you put pick a ball on there and honestly agreed
to I still don't know what it's funny, girls funds.
It's like pembong tan at a child on the core.
It's so much fun.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I love pick a ball.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
But when I first started playing it, I was like
this game.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
For white people, and it is, Yeah, it's fun, I guess,
and like now this this this how ship's trendy.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
It goes from wife folks.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
To the gays because the gays love pickaballs end up
everywhere and in my in the league, that in the league,
that the league we haven't said, you go, like a
lot of folks love pickball.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
But so I'm like, okay, like not like they now
it is a gay sport, but it's for a white sport.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
And I was like, this is this.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Racist reports, Just like tennis, tennis has become a very
gay sport in the last couple of years. I was like,
lots of years. You the best, the best in the
world is a black woman.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Don't don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm just saying, though the gays do love tennis, they
love to do you like to play tennis. I'm not
I'm not a tennis girl either, but.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think I believe that they abandonance for pickaball they
love tennis.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
They didn't. Okay, we're done with this.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
We're going because they they want they want a game
where they can wear short shorts and be shirtless, and
they sat.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Makes a lot of sense. So the next one, I
was going to say, someone had on the list, h
o a's I said, but this is also something that
reads as racists. That may not be out overtly racist,
but it's still rooted in racism. I'm sure that hoas
were created to keep black people out of certain areas.
So yeah, it's just it's very much. It'sn't it's intentional.

(29:11):
The next one I saw on the list was Kroger's,
Alberson's and Trader Joe's. I asked that question the other day,
I said, why are Trader joe so intense? You have
you ever noticed that, like when you go into the
energy in a Trader Joe's is so intense?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
What is same? Same more about intense like intent.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
It's just it's something like I don't I don't know
how to explain it, but it's like i almost shop
holding my breath when I'm in a Trader Joe's.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
People explaining different ways, one that's intense or two that
everyone's just extraized and so so I mean, I mean,
I I can see both.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Sides because I love being Trade Joe say.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I was just watch just that one an hour
ago and it was like Trade Joe's hate and I
was like and like I came, I came in, and
I was like, welcome to the one place where it's
freaking enjoy ac. You know, it was like shut the
fuck up, Like I don't need your I was, but
I was like, they're they're being really nice.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
They're trying.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I mean, they're really nice. They're paid a fort with you.
That's that that that's that's been proven.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
With you, I think.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
But I would I would argue are they intent or
do they just actually care? Because other grocery stories, people
don't even look at you. They don't care about you, Right,
So we're used to being ignored and now we get
a little bit of love and we're suspect.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I don't mean the American way. If someone's too nice,
it's like, what do they want? This one is yeah,
so I I can understand the whole Trader Joe's thing
of it all. There's one that I'm saving as my
last one on this list. But the other one that
bade me chuckle was Golden Retrievers. Why do people think
Golden Retrievers are racist? What is that? A white man's

(30:54):
best friend? I can see it.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
But honestly, dare I say German Shepherds because.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Because work with the police. Okay, shepherds, they'd be working
with five Oh, yeah, they'd be working yeah, they work
with Yeah, they work with the Feds. So I get
saying I can see you I can see why you
would sign out a hell out of a German check.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I mean, cook, let me cook.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I'm just saying the German shepherds bouh wow wow out
here working for the working for the bobbo.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
So I'm like, yeah, yeah, so we got so the
last three. I'm gonna do three more than we can
and then we can roll out of the segment. So
the next one was credit scores and credit checks, but
again that was not instituted until the eighties when they
were trying to make sure that they could keep us
from attaining homes. And I would also encourage people, if

(31:41):
you've never done any research around redlining, that might be something.
Credit scores and red lining and credit checks and all that.
It all kind of started in the same era, right,
So I'm sure they were doing red lining before that,
but I would say, like the talk of redlining and
folks being more hip to understanding what redlining and it
also kind of kicked up in the eighties. So yes,

(32:02):
credit scores and credit checks are racist by by definition,
red hats, red hats facts. If I see a red hat,
I'm ready to fight im get triggered and scared. Uh
huh uh huh. May not be racist to you, but
they racist to me. A red hat is very much.
I'm about to yeah, I'm ready to.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Okay, y'all now that now that we've made full fools
of ourselves, Joe, we gotta pay some bills which are
which are also racist and homophobic, honestly, but we gotta
do them anyway.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So give us a moment.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
We back in just a second. Okay, fam and we
are back. And before we start with our last segment
of the day, John has one more is it reasons
thing to give us?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
John, go ahead, go ahead, baby booth. This is after
working and and a corporate for every black person who works,
and even the black ankwerre person who work in a
corporate office. You know this one that half smile that
white people give you when they like they don't it's
not like a full it's not a hey, how are
you smile? It's kind of like a like a it's

(33:15):
just like the upper lip smile. That that's racist. At
least it's not and it may not be racist to
anyone else, but it feels racist to me. I just
feel that that was one of the ones that was
on my list. I said that upper upper lip smile
that white people give black people when they walk past,
and it feels racist. I don't know that smile. I

(33:38):
don't try.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I mean, but some got some someone got no lips
to smile with, Like not.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Let's move on. You are not getting us canceled. Get
out of here. That's it's canceled. That is it's canceled.
That's because it's canceled. The no lip havn't as bitches,
but not anything else that we've said. I hate here. Okay,
but anyway, fam, we told you we was gonna.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Cuckoo for a bit, and now's the time in this
last segment. So we don't always get political with y'all,
but it's an election year and Lesbie honest our Denny's
our a handley political girl. So that said, let's talk
about some ship. Kamala girl, what do you think I
know last week, like last week we're discussing the announcement

(34:25):
and stuff, and I know you posted that video talking
about her as well last week. So I I think
I think I really capture some parts of some parts
of the of the.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Black community, the black quirk community. So like what's tea,
I have a whole dissertation in the show notes my
feelings about her, and I knew when I was typing
them they were getting long because my hands started hurting.
I will say this, So one I will say, is

(34:53):
you think you fell out of a coconut tree? You?
What else does she saying today? You? You? You exist
on context from everything that came.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
On and everything that came before you.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
But hans because she always say hands, She's like where
you are and everything that came before you.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I will say this. So, so before I get into
my dissertation, my second dissertation that I wrote about Kamala Harris,
I am I saying her name? Right? Is it Kamala
or Kamala Kamala? Yeah, Kamala Harris. Okay, Kamala Harris, I wrote.
I actually tweeted about that too, right, I'm the Harris. Right.

(35:38):
I feel like every time, you know, we we kind
of get into this, you know, you kind of got
to talk about it, and I think about it from
this prospect. So is does she have a dicey history? Yes?
Does she maybe? And I'm not I'm gonna say, could
she put potentially be a part of the problem. I

(35:58):
think we all are. Yes, But I I think the
reason why I say we open Pandora's box with this
one is because I'm glad that you brought up this
for us to talk about, because I think that, like,
I've been sitting with some of my thoughts and I'm like,
I'm actually going to talk about it on the show.
So I will say this, Yes, Kamala is part of

(36:19):
the problem, right. I think all politicians are. I think
our whole entire political system in a hole, is inherently problematic, troublesome,
and does it get it right? Sometimes yes, do they
get it right? Sometimes maybe here and there right. But
I think in all there is still a part of
me that says, I don't trust anyone in the political sphere, right,

(36:41):
no matter how much they're rooting and championing the idea
of I'm here to save you, right. And I said
that in my video. I don't believe that any politician
is ever going to save us. Well, they could they
help us, maybe, could they support us possibly, but fully
save us absolutely not? Right, because we know politics is

(37:02):
inherent inherently problematic in the sense that even with the
world saying oh, all men are created equal, right, they
meant all white men, right, so me, as a black person,
I'm never going to ever be fully vetted or seen
as a whole person in this world. That's that's the
first part what I will say that she has been

(37:22):
much like many of us who listen to the show,
We're part of the problem, and I wanted to note that,
like I want to step up to the mic and
say that, regardless of how people receive this, it is
what it is, right, Like, I know I'm part of
the problem, and what I mean by that is what
I mean by that is what I'm about to follow
and say, Yes, I am that person that keeps buying
shit from Apple when it drops, knowing that there is

(37:45):
a war over resources in Sudan and other African territories. Right,
I know that that shit is happening. But I'm still
in that line purchasing a new phone, purchasing a new iPad,
purchasing the new headphones, purchasing the like I'm part of
that problem, right, So I accept that and whatever backlash
people are going to give me for that. I struggle

(38:07):
with my addictions to Starbucks and McDonald's, even though I
know that people are actively calling for me to boycott them, right,
But I like their stuff. Even though it's not that great,
I still enjoy their products. Right. I even had a
hard time skipping R. Kelly's music and songs he produced
when when all of the stuff with him two or

(38:27):
three years ago starter, Right, Like I want I want
to be transparent and saying that. I don't want to
sit here on this microphone and be that person that's like, oh,
we have to do better and we have to do this. No,
I'm human just like y'all are, and I pick and
choose what I want to champion and what I don't write.
So all that I can say now is that I

(38:47):
am I am part of the issue, but I am
still working to find a solution. And that's the thing
that I keep keep thinking. People missing this conversation, right,
And what I mean by that, and I hope I'm
not being too long winded. What I'm saying is, while
I have my Starbucks cup, I am still going to
a nonprofit that is fighting for the liberation of black,

(39:11):
BLATINX queer people. Right. So that's something that I can
sit with and say, yeah, there's a part of me
that's problematic and could potentially boycott Starbucks, but also at
the same time, I'm still trying to figure out a solution.
And that's where I sit with Kamala in this conversation. Right.
I am in the community with folks day in and

(39:31):
day out who are trying to find solutions to fuck
these systems up that we have to navigate. And I
think that's what Kamala is. She's not an answer, but
she's a slulu to the de lulu, Right, That's what
I see in all of this. And I have to
say this. You've had guests on the show in the
last few weeks who have outrightly said that is insane
for us to believe that one person, specifically this black woman,

(39:53):
is going to find a solution to all of the
US's inherent issues and problems. There's no way this one
black woman gonna be able to do that. Hell Obama
couldn't even do it, and he had a fuck ton
of support in two thousand and eight. Right, So I
just really want to say, like, I know that we
had a racial reckoning in twenty twenty, and I put
quotations around that, right, I'm still sitting what happened to

(40:16):
Sonya Massy, you know, her being take her life being
taken for no fucking reason, and how I'm pissed off
about that. You know, let's not play any games here,
Like I think we have someone outrightly saying, well, I'm
gonna do whatever I can to make this place a
living hell for marginalized people in twenty twenty five, and
the only answer we have is, you know, I'm in

(40:39):
my It feels like everyone's answer to that is, oh,
I'm in my feelings. You know, I don't like Kamala
because she locked a few people. Okay, yes, the girl
did that back in the day, but nigga, what are
we doing right now? We are going to be in
chains if y'all don't figure the shit out right this minute.
So until you can come up with a better solution

(41:02):
than Kamala right and we can. We can, We can
think bigger, long term, and we have the time to
do that. Like I'm just the man, I'm gonna say
this and shut up because feel like I've gone long.
We don't have the time right now. We have three
months to get this shit figured out before this man
takes every single right that we have. So my mind is,

(41:23):
let's let's focus on what's important right now. Let's get
Kamala in office and then we can figure all that
other shit out, because we need to be able to
at least have a voice up until that point. But
if y'all gonna sit here and be like, oh, I
don't like Kamala and I don't think that she should
be president, blah blah blah blah blah, Okay, well you
can't complain when you are outside picking con because I'm
gonna tell you right now, I'm a light skin black

(41:44):
and I'm gonna stand right there on that on that porch,
and I'm gonna look at say everybody was complaining and
I was saying, we gotta find a solution, and here
we are. I'm still honest. However people receive it is
how they receive it. And I know people may not
like what I'm saying. I don't care. What I'm saying
is is that for me, Kamala is a piece of
the solution right now. You don't have to love her,

(42:09):
but she is all we got And if you don't,
what other options do we have? What is the solution? Sis?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
That's why damn well think if I'm coming to coming
for a show, we appreciate that we've head on air.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
This is her last episode. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
But so you said. You said that my color was
canceable in the last segment.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
But you get out here saying, oh girl, But you
go out here saying you'll be out You'll be on
the porch.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm looking. I'm just saying, I'm okay, I'm not. I'm
not gonna be out in the field. Y'all can feel
how y'all feel, but I'm not gonna be out there
in the heat. I don't do well with the heat.
I just don't. I'm not. I Am not going to
be out there, and I have made that very clear.
So I'm just saying, yeah, all jokeside, I.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Feel like no, but I mean, I mean, I truthfully,
I won't be either like like like and like and
and I hate I like I hate to say it,
but like you look at me and you're like, I'm
gonna be making bread in the house, Like that's what
That's what I'll be doing. Right if we I mean,
if it happens the way it has happened before, right,
who's to say?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Who's to saying?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Because if Trump's president, he he can literally he can
go back to one drop rule and say no girl,
all all y'all going out there. So you know, so
I think, like what's interesting about this time is like
I think people don't always girls. So my cat was me,
I like, damn cat, you feel relackaboot. Oh he feels

(43:43):
the metcalf I here feel like held the heat. He said, Oh,
I'm done. I'm saying my ass down.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
See look at him, look at him.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
And he a black cat too.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
He said, you will he won't have me outside, girl,
You'll have all lay down this air conditioning, baby girl.
So one thing I think people always realize is that
like the movement, the movement and organized and takes time,
like and systems change takes time as well, too, Like
it took it like system change takes like a decade
to make sometimes and and it shouldn't, right, I be

(44:11):
really clear, it should not like systems change should not
happen in ten years.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
It should happen tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
But it does take ten years often or you know
x amount, and you know a few years to happen,
and we had to undo it, right like like, and
it's interesting because systems becausist because like because like in
some ways, system change happens quickly, right, in the presidency,
Like we know things happened quickly when Trump's president that

(44:37):
that weren't good, right, so bad happens really quickly. It
takes a long time for good and did a long
time for things to be dismantled. And so we know
that Trump dismantled, dismantled eight years of like you know,
a quote unquote good things that have happened.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
And then and then Biden came in to try and
hopefully undo that stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
And now we have a chance to either go back.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
To the four years again before with with Trump or
have four more years maybe something better happening. Who's to
say it's a hard it's a hard place to be.
The really is a harplass to because like you know,
when I posted the story last week about the Oakland
organizer dragging Kamala, people are eating me up.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
People will not saying.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
People were trying me up in my DMS, trying to me.
They did not succeed. They try to because they cannot
they cannot swallow with me. Girls, but I have the range,
but have the range or the teeth, so the teeth
apparently to try and show me up.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
But you know, like because they can, they can me
talk them about, well, it's.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Him or her, and I'm like, okay, like like y'all,
I'm sorry, but I actually can't be reduced like a
binary him or her thinking.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I get why believe there's more than more than just that.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And there are many friends and shouts with friends who
really share their feelings with me and really engage with
me on it because I appreciate a lot. But then
I just find my story is that like it's okay
to want more, right, it's okay to it's okay to
acknowledge what our choices are, and that choices are not great.
And I had to name that critique that name a
critique of her is fair. Necessarily many many of us

(45:57):
really do feel forced to vote for her right, and
it's not a good feeling, right, Like I think I'm
about Angela Carross who like who who had made that
video where she she admitted the post right where like
she's not doorsing, she's not dorsing Kamala, but she will
vote for her right and like you know, and I
don't know if it may have changed since then, because

(46:18):
things happened quickly in terms of the election process in
the presidential race, but like, so some of us feel
for feel forced to vote for vote for this person, right,
And she is a black and South Asian woman who
has raised around civil rights movement, raised around Oakland, the
lamp Heather Party, and yet does not fully align with
those politics, which is an interesting and like weird thing.
Listen to a great episode of MPR's Code Switch that

(46:40):
dived into Comma's history in the Bay as a Jurney general,
as a senator, as d A before but before she
was VP. Yeah, it talked a lot about it talked
a lot about the fact that even though she has
the adanies that she has, she still works in some
cases perpetuates the system that is meant to empower us,
to arrest us and to kill us. And so I
think many of us do you have a question of

(47:02):
is she trying to dismantle or she's just trying to mitigate?
And like, there there's a need for both strategies in
the work for sure.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Best when we're running running.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
For president, we need more. We need more than mitigation.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
And I mean, I won't pretend to know how country works, right,
Like I don't pretend to know how to run how
to run a country. And so I think to your point, right,
people are people have better solutions bringing them to the table, girl,
But like I don't know how to.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Run a country, and I and I can acknowledge that, but.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
It doesn't mean that I it don't mean that I
can't want better for us as well too, And I'm
too mindful of our country, like with that man in
that role, and I.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Just can't do that, right, Like I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
And so it's hard because I feel like, because I
know that many folks are sitting here now. And it's
interesting because because I wonder. I think a lot about
our episode with Richard Faller, right because at that point,
like Kama was on the table, and so I wonder
what he'd say now.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Because because he.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Talked a lot about it. He's also talked about the
black vote, right and what that was. But I mean,
like like black man voting. I wonder, like real black
men vote for a black woman will and I want to
vote for black we rightly, we're in this space now
where we just are not sure what's gonna happen, and
we're in this like really intense and sad limbo and
and and it's sad because I think, like Kamla, You're right.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
We we have Memed came out to perfection.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
People are meaning the fuck out of her, and we
love her for that, and we love what she presents
in terms of the means. But in the day, why
she actually gonna do first in terms of policy. We
actually have no idea what she'll do first in terms
of policy. Half of her speeches are just things that
people mean more right, and we keep making fun and
being funny about it.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
But I want to know what is she gonna do
for us? Or what can she do?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Right? Like, what actually can she do for us that
will help us?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Because it's because it's hard, right, Like I I know
in her book she talks about the idea of that she.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Felt that maybe her best.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Strength wasn't being the activist knocking on the door and
trying to change that way, but being the person who
opens the door for for for the for for the
activists in some ways, like she has done that work.
She has opened the door for activist's on our table
and like be involved in strategy and someone Paul see,
but she hasn't. But she also hasn't like fully of
held that's the point where she actually changes something and

(49:05):
so like, what will like, how can you do that?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
But but but but also I also won't be really
clear honest with people and saying it's like I don't
know if I said this last week, but many of
us who are voting right now, right who are like
after I won't vote at all, and I will be
and I'll be like, do what you do, girl, Like
this is your your election to do.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
How do you want to do what you want to do?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
But recognize our privilege you have in saying that, because
most people who are saying that, people who live in California,
people who live in New York City, people live in
really liberal places where they were like, whatever happens to
the presidency most likely will not be affected subjectively.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I think I said I feel like I said says
last week.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
As well too, but like I like, I want to
be super clear about that, and now we'll keep saying
every week if I have to, like people, many folks who
are trying to dissuade us from participating in this way
are folks who live in places where they have a
privileged because they will not be actually detrimentally harmed by
policies and acted by Trump. If they if if comes
comes to presidency, right, So, like I know that my
vote is actually not just for me in California. It's

(50:04):
actually it's actually for people in Georgia, people in Florida,
people in you know, across the country who like who
on a third level have may have these rights that
they will not have anymore and like like and and
there's all these types of rights that that that they
that they may not get. And so I know too well,
Quardo relax such doing the damn thing. Uh you see

(50:29):
girls like yes, go on boos, girl. I just I
know too well where a country could look like I
know that I will travel less, will not I'm not
certain places if he's president, I will not. I will
actually want to like leave the country because I don't
know if I can like view in his country anymore.
Like I know too well where our country could like

(50:50):
if that if he's in that role, and I can't
I can't get conscience to be that person to vote
him or to like give him power to be voted
in either.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
So it's a sad place.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
And so I think for me, I'm somebody who I
I some sometimes actually don't want to vote for Kamala
but if it's if it's between them too, I will,
like if it's nothing, I will because and a lot
of lks are like, there's a lot of us are like,
there's a third option. You can vote independent, and like,
yes I could, and I wish I and I wish
I would, but I only would if that person had

(51:19):
an actual chance of winning.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
But like, I know that I know that it's so.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Unlikely that that the person will win unfortunately because they
don't have they don't have enough movement, they don't have
enough like, they don't have enough capital behind right like
like the and the like, they don't have the ability
to actually like win in that way. And so yes,
I can make a statement saying I'll vote for someone
who actually might reflect me more. But then if I
know that person may not win, then like am I

(51:44):
actually helping or my or am I am? I?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Am?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I heart made in some ways?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Right? And so.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Everyone has everyone has their own things about this, and
I want everyone to feel vout in their feelings. But
I just also know that, like, we have to make
a decision about what we want to do for ourselves
and for our country, even though she even should not
be honest, and you should not be honest the first place, right,
and you know, and also like fuck the electoral college.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Really litoral roll is because those bitches.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
This bitches may also come in and ruin everything for
us as well too, but they may actually all vote
for Trump anyways, and maybe for which I really hope
isn't the case, And so I would love us to
dismantle and abolish that for sure. We can actually do
some popular voting and stuff. But but yeah, so I'll
have to say, I you know, think you friends me
John's I do think. I do think like I think

(52:29):
you and I are in different places on this, but
also see a lot of things that same are together
and I know that we represent we do present a lot.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I think that a lot of folks.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Are experiencing, especially as flock flat them, folks in the
in the country, what they're what they're feeling, as well
as woman.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
So thank you, no, and I I agree, and I
appreciate you taking the time out on the show for
us to say this publicly, like I want folks to understand,
you know, like I said, all jokes aside, like we
are all in a really and I'm the only way
I can say we're all in a really fucked up spot. Right.
There's there is no there is no right in my
mind in this thing, right because the thing is, you

(53:04):
vote for Kamala, you feel like you feel screwed. You
don't vote for Kamala, you feel screwed. It's the same.
It's a double edged swore. But what I will say
is I'm in the mind of let's we may have
to do the necessary we have to make, we may
have to work with the necessary evil so we can
find a solution. And I'm just in the mind of

(53:25):
I think for me where my heart is. I'm sick
of people platforming themselves as being the all in. I
know everything everyone else is wrong when you're not offering
a solution because many of you are are are quick
to name the problem, and many of you are quick
to point fingers and you know, Palestine this Okay, Okay,

(53:49):
I get it, I get it, I get it. Everyone
is doing some fucked up shit. But what is the
other solution? Syst Like, that's where my heart has been
for the last two and a half three weeks. What
else do we have because my livelihood is on the
line here and y'all are playing with that like because
you you you have you, you can you have pass

(54:10):
Like if if, if it all comes down to it,
right you you're very sispassing. You're straight passing. The world's
not gonna fuck with you the way that the world
fucks with me. So that's where my head has been
for these last couple of weeks. I've just been really
in this mind of many of the people who are
getting on these soapboxes that are talking about all of
the problems with Kamala and all of this and all

(54:31):
of that. I'm going, your your your liberty is protected
because you can pass. But I don't have that luxury.
So so what are we gonna do come November eighth
when I'm sitting here looking around, going all my rights
are literally literally up in the air, right like it
just that is that kind of stuff that I don't

(54:53):
think people, And I guess that's the other thing I
want to say too before we move on. Folks need
to be real careful with their platforms right now. Like
using your platform to dissuade people from voting is very very,
very very gross to me. That that's some nasty work,
and it's it's it's to tell someone that they shouldn't

(55:16):
be voting at all because you personally don't like the candidate.
That to me is that I have I take big
issue with that. I take a very big issue with that,
especially because, like I said, many of you who are
telling people don't vote for her or don't vote for
Democrats and blah blah blah. Okay, girl, you can go
home and you can lay your head down on a

(55:38):
pillow a in a five six seven bedroom house that
you can afford. Many of us can't. So that's just
kind of where my heart is. I think we we
just we all need to be a little bit more
careful about how we're talking and how we're treating this
because because like I said, you know, years past, it
was kind of funny. Huh kiki h Trump is awful. Huh,
He's a joke. Huh No, But this man is literally

(56:00):
saying he wants to put us back and basically, in
so many words, he's looking to put us in the
dement caps. That's literally what he's saying in so many words,
you know, And I don't think enough people are taking
that seriously. But with that being said, not to drag
the mood down of the show, we have to take
one more break before before things go to hell, because

(56:24):
they already their chat, they already near it. But when
we get back, we're gonna get back with your favorite segment,
Yes ma'am and no Man Pam more in a second.
All right, y'all, So this week we're gonna jump into
our yes ma'am and I know man PAMs, and I'm
just gonna quickly say for my yes ma'am. I'm gonna

(56:44):
make I feel like I've been talking a lot this episode,
so I'm gonna go ahead and say my yes ma'am
this week. I really wanted to just shout out so
last Sunday had no idea that my partner and a
whole bunch of my friends have put together a surprise
birthday party for me. As you all may know by
the time you hear this, a week ago, I turned
thirty five slash thirty nine, So I definitely want to
say thank you to everybody who either sent love or

(57:07):
came out to the party or helped my husband plan
the party. I had never had a surprise party ever again,
so I was super blown away that my husband made
it happen and that there were friends who like helped
him put it together, and so it was just really
cool to feel so loved. And I say this because
many of you have known and many of you have
heard in past episodes. You know, I talked very openly
about the struggle I've had in the last few years

(57:30):
of feeling like I don't you know, losing basically losing
two of my best friends to COVID in the in
the last four years has really left a very big
hole in my heart. And so sometimes I can struggle
with feeling like I have community, feeling like I have
people I can trust, feeling as if I have true friends,
and so seeing so many people actually come or send
their love in whatever facet that they did, it really

(57:51):
showed me that I truly am loved so having I
even had one friend fly in, which even like blew
me away even more like it was like super in
saying to me that this person got on a plane
to come see little O me just for a night,
so that, you know, shout out to you, Quasm. I
know you listened to the show. I love you, Thank
you for doing that. It was just such a beautiful thing,
and so I know you couldn't be there, Joho, And

(58:13):
I know that there were other friends who couldn't be
there for other reasons, and that doesn't I wanted to
make that very clear that for the friends who listened
to the show that couldn't be there, I don't want
you thinking that I'm holding that against you. I know
we all have lives, I know we all have things
that come up, but just to know that I'm loved
it definitely means the world to me. So I want
to say that now. Now getting back into my no
man PAMs. I initially was gonna go off about customer service,

(58:38):
but I just I'm gonna go ahead and scrap all
of this and I'm just gonna say my know, man,
Pam this week, and we probably don't get in trouble.
I have a feeling Will Is gonna email us and
be like, girl, yeah you did a lot on that episode.
I love you. Will Uncle Will is what I call him.

(58:58):
You know whoever took that and I said this in
my stories and I'm gonna say it here too, whoever
took the chicken salad off the Panera bread mean you
your mom's a hole. It's just trifling. You are trifling, bitch.
You went into that boardroom and you said, you know

(59:20):
what we're gonna do to make people even more mad
at us, because let's be clear, Panera Bread ain't nothing
but upscale cafeteria food. Anyway, Let's tell it what it is.
But the fact that you went in there and you
took the one thing off that menu that brought me
joy is that chicken salad sandwich. I hope you get

(59:42):
no rest. Whoever was the one who woofed the plug
on it, I hope you get no rest, because we
don't deserve that. We deserve so much more from you,
Panera Bread. I'm done. I just wanted to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I hope they hear this and that they bring aback
just for you, because this is you'.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I don't make a clip about this and post it
at some point in time and be like, but every
we see you grow and bringing back bringing about the chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Style for my for my good sister John.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
It was like the McDonald's took away to the high
Sea Orange. Who why it wasn't even bothering to anybody, Like,
wasn't even doing nobody, and you was just gonna take
it off the venu.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Mhm mmmm, okay, girl, she mad, she mass shed and
she mad rightfully so and is and I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I love that, so mom said, so mind and I'm
a reverseus today.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
My man Pam was gonna be swinging Alice as well too,
but I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Scrap it as well because I just I don't feel
like why my heart doing it, but I will single
man Pam. I saw recently a show. It was a musical,
the album Family Musical. I love the Alma's Family. It
was actually really really fantastic. So Noman Pam to whoever
designed the costume for Martitia, a wig for Matitia well,

(01:01:11):
also the costume the mortician herself to that I love
the Alam's Family and I love the musical. So I
was so I was like, I'm here for this. I'm
here for this, and you know it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
You know, it was a show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
It was community theater.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
It was giving community theater for sure. And so first
of all, now that I'll say the first, the actor
was acting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
She was fantastic as an actress. I give her that
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
The costume, the costume that she was given gross just
got Maratician would never wear a black outfit with that
much texture period. Also, that wasn't form fitted. That was loose,
Martitia is a form fitted queen. Thirdly, and lastly, and
most importantly, that cat out stresses enough. Mortitia should never

(01:01:58):
have should never have twenty inches down to her shoulders
and curls. It's forty inch bust down, middle party. Okay,
Martitia is inches down to her ankles is giving like

(01:02:18):
you is giving the badst pitch in the game. Batitia
is giving. She may put a spell on you. Batitia
is giving. Making the salad like Matitia is giving, like
yeah said, this costume is fine. I want to find you.
I will find you one day and I will have to.
I will have tom I don't know I'll do you
about do something to you, but I will have to.

(01:02:39):
I will have to make you recognize that you played
with the wrong bitch today when you give more Titia
curly hair and twenty twenty inches of curly hair that
was not cute. It should it should have not gone
to her shoulder blades should have gone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Down to her but if not longer, and she gave
her a better outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
So num Man, Pam to you, whoever you are, mysterious
artisan in the words, I love your art. You designed.
Many of the the office were great, except that one
I was really mad about it. So damn girls, Yes,
ma'am am. Today it's gonna be the mother Junk Doctor
Mother Doctor revend John.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Paul Higgins, the blueprint and creator of this incredible BFI universe.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I had a lot to say about you today, bitch
y'all may have been said, was she and Messica John
Sayer as well, But it was their birthday yesterday at
the time this recording, and so I must on this
episode give them their flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
I must, I'm gonna give.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I'm gonna unscript if anyone want to say, I could
something rawn chick is being buy who's to say? Buckle up, bitches,
because it's gonna get emotional. Though you don't understand. You
talk about a lot of other people and how they
change your life, and how they change your life and
how they move you, but you don't understand how you
do the same for the people you don't understand, and

(01:03:54):
you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
And don't don't off don't off me, bitch, don't off me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Just breathe it in and hold it for a second,
because you need to understand how many lives you change
with what you do, with what you say, with what
you post, with who you are, with where you go
you like in your personal life, in your podcast life
and professional life, you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Truly help create futures for people, and that is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
We exist, We exist in a context where we just
in a world where people's futures are being taken for
them constantly, right as quo, and you help people build
their futures. You help people realize that there is light
in a world of darkness. You help people realize that
there's a light and their tunnel for them. You help
them continue to choose to live on their story. You

(01:04:42):
change lives every moment of every day. You help people
get in the door with media, work, with with with
with sponsorships, with getting the work to be noticed more.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
You uplift others.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
You do so much work, and I don't think, I
don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
You actually recognize that in yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
You are one of the most hard work You are
one of the hardest workings I've ever met.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Your grind cannot be touched, Your pay game can't be touched.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
When it comes to how you write your show flows,
how you how you write your words and get them published,
like what you do can't be touched with anybody, and
I and I and I, I truly pray that when
that come up comes for you in the in the
highest way, that you feel so full and fulfilled, and
that everything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
You ever want is given to you an abundance, because
that's what you deserve. But I really really need.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
To stress that you change for me, That you change
my life in ways I can never actually repay you
for and never actually imagine or never actually imagine to
actually like say, you have made me realize how much
who I want to be in this world, and movie
realize how I want.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
To be in this world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
They're giving me language and tools to actarticulate that you
helped me become a stronger writer, a stronger speaker, a
stronger activist, a stronger human being. Like without you, I
would not be where I am today, and so like
I know that for all the other people as well too.
But as your co hoast and as your sister Yes
inspire constantly, You've made my life so much better. You

(01:06:07):
have made my family better, You've made my like love better.
You have made me a better human in the world.
And I am so so thankful to know you and
be around you, to take in your light, and I pray,
I truly pray to all the gods in the world
of the universe. May you always feel divine in thirty
five and may you feel this way for the rest
of your life.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
So it shall be so it is. Maybe I love
you so much, my bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Oh yes, yes, I will say. I receive all of that,
and I appreciate you saying that, because, like I said,
there are days where I wake up and I'm like,
what am What the fuck am I doing? Like none
of this matters, nobody cares. And then you know, it's
it's moments like these that remind me that you know,

(01:06:50):
I'm doing what I've been put on this earth to do.
So thank you for helping me find my light. I
like I said, I'm just a reflection of you. I
you know, I never, in my wildest dreams, thought that
day that we met in Asi that we would ever
be the friends, the family, the sisters that we are.
You know, it's been what almost ten years, and we've

(01:07:13):
been rocking deep with each other. And you know, one
thing I always tell people I don't play. The things
that I don't play about is my food, my donuts
and my Joe ho Like if there are three things
in this world that I would truly cut somebody over,
those are the three things, right, Food, money, you know,
my girl Joe ho so and donuts too. So I really,

(01:07:34):
really truly appreciate you you sharing that with me. And
just again this the love. The love is so mutual,
Like as much as you give me that love, I
return at tenfolds because I tell you, I truly don't
think our show would be what it is if it
wasn't for you keeping me together around a lot of

(01:07:57):
the stuff that we do. So I'm just I'm I'm
forever grateful. I go to bed every night just being
so thankful that I have the co hosts that I do,
and I genuinely mean that from the bottom of my heart.
And so I love you for it. All right, y'all, Well,
between this love fests and me cussing people off this
whole episode, uh, this has been fun. So if y'all
got feedback, you want to share something, go ahead and

(01:08:19):
send it through y'all know where to do that. You
can send us your thoughts, your feedback, your emails to
Blackfatfempod at gmail dot com. You can also send us
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with our instagrams, our twitters and go down to the YouTube, girl,
go down and watch us, watch us being crazy. I
shouldn't say crazy. Still learning to take that word out

(01:08:40):
of my vocabulary. I'm still I'm working on it. I
am a I am a what do you call that?
I'm a work in progress. So please give me the
grease that you give the people. But that being saidween Joe,
where can the dolls find you? Baby?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Of course you can find me as always at jeffre
Nail's across all the socials there. If not, then my
website you nails dot com. If not, you can find
me on the internets. Trying to find out when Kim
Whitley and Jack Harry became twins, because have you seen
the have you seen the picture of being like I'll
share some When I realized that Kimberly not the same person, Yeah,

(01:09:15):
but I know it's those are different to me. But
this picture, I was like, girl, was like, when did
they come to win?

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
When they become twins? They do? They do favor each other.
I will say that as a kid, there were moments
where I was like, are they related? Because they do
favor each other. But it's just like there are there
are multiple black people who look alike, so I think
it's just they're they're just chubbying, light skin. I think
that's one of the I think that's really what it
comes down to. Their just chubbying light skin. And people
will always put two chubby black girls who look who

(01:09:45):
are light skin and got the same statue in the
same category. But yes, they do. They do favor each other,
especially when they both have curly hair. Anyway, with that
being said, y'all can find me down to my website
at ww dot doctor John Paul dot com. You can
also find me on social screaming fuck Chris. You can

(01:10:09):
cut all of that, but I was just just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Because that's literally how I feel. Fuck them, Fuck them forever,
and you can keep bleeping me, Chris, bleep me until like,
do you watch did you ever watch Martin? I did? Okay,
do you remember that episode where he was in the
radio show and Stan had to run in and bleep
Martin because he was cussing about That's basically what this

(01:10:41):
episode is giving that Chris is gonna have to bleep
me every five seconds because because Yeah, that's that's exactly
what the energy is given. But anyway, with that being said,
we want to thank our producer Bey Wang for handling
all the logistics and everyone over at iHeartMedia for keeping
this show up and running. We also want to shout
out our wonderful editor Chris raw just because without him,

(01:11:02):
we would have no show or visuals. We'd be looking
exactly like Beyonce. Giselle knows Carter looks at us, Honey,
we would You're the visual baby. You are the visual baby. Yeah,
h how she shook her head and walked off that stage.
I'll never forget it. You are the visual baby. Sidebar, So,
I was telling Jonathan last night. Everybody knows my husband's

(01:11:25):
name is Jonathan too. I was telling him that I
think Beyonce is recording or filming something, because did you
see that video of that man was screaming at Beyonce
and she waved in him when they was leaving. No,
they were on the set of something. So she's doing something.
I don't know what she's doing. She's filming something so commercial. Yeah,

(01:11:47):
I hope it's not another commercial, but I would really
love for it to be something that we can actually digestive,
like I had tweeted because somebody had posted last night
that it's been two years of the Renaissance woman, I
was saying, the only way that the world could be
united at this point if she released the visuals to
the Renaissance film. That's the only way that we would
be the whole world. It'd be just you remember that

(01:12:09):
first couple weeks of the pandemic when every like the
birds started chirping again and things was getting green, traffic
and left. H Yeah, that's what happened. If released the
visuals to run us again, the whole world will heal.
All right, y'all, Well, that has been another show. Please
keep listening, Tell your mama and your aunties and everybody
to listen. And with that being said, stay black, fat,

(01:12:31):
famine fabulous, and remember snitches get stitches and bite, end
up and dishes real. Bye.