I Can't Charm a Robot!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
The Black Fat Film Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
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episode of the Blackfast Podcast. For all the intersections of
my day, they are celebrated. I'm one of your hosts
jobs known as Doctor John Doctor John Paul, and am
I'm the only one who seems to not be able

(00:54):
to find an onion bagel to save my life. I
was just saying, I know it's random, but I'll just saying,
how it's been a minute since I've had a good
onion bagel. Everything blow. They're just messy. They don't, they
don't always they don't always do it for you. I
don't know. Onion bagels are the best bagels in my opinion,

(01:16):
and I was asking my partner if he could buy
me one, and he said that the store don't have
them no more. So I just was like, hmmm, I
would die. That's a good question to start to shot
up with. What is your favorite kind of bagels? Joho?
Why do you have the giggles?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's just we're just silly. We're just silly, really are?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
It has been a long I mean we're recording earlier
this week, but it has been a long week, and
so I've been very very I've been up all day.
I've been up since like literally six this morning. So yeah,
but yeah, but what is your favorite kind of bagel? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
This is you just love me love Like it's just
he's me love. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I don't even know what kind of Are you even
a breakfast girly? Okay? Why don't I know this? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okayam it is your girl Jordan aka breakfast bitch Joe.
It's giving hashtag the more you know with a little
ring thing, Yes, I am a breakfast girly down boots,
I can have breakfast anytime, anytime the day, any day
of the week. I an omelet every day and that
we're about clost levels. Girl would a real fact. I

(02:28):
love all breaths stuff. I love me almost. I love
garn amelet, French omlet, grumba omelet.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Like, but I love you.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I love everything about especially love a breakfast sandwich or
a big breafast sandwich.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Know I am yes.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And everything big old girly or you eacheddar those two
are just superre okay, okay, with some with some with
some veggie cream, cheese, some pature, some capers, some smokes,
and some cucumbers and some onions. But we're like breast
brecky brecky and cheese, coramrace, onions, lett is, throw some

(03:04):
throw some bak made some month and if you're if
you're not doing the work, okay okay. Ship gives me
going every time. There's just big a place by me
that I ordered form like once a week because they
always do like a bagel the month and they always
like the month.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
One.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
This ship is stacked every every week without fail, and they.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
And I don't need nobody to play with my cream
cheese when I say I want cream cheese.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I want. I want that ship.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I want it should be sticky as I want to.
I want to, and she's over me like I love
cream cheese pie and yes you can.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I also access we're here? Are you? Because I know
some people don't like accoutra monks with their things? So
are you a male? Girly? Too? Male star creams? I
found my girl.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I love all the cream. The more male the better.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Sometimes sometimes when I see male, I was this ship
looks disgusting.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, but it's you.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
But you put it on sandwich chicken, sandwich.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Girls, sandwich spread, girly, did you ever do sandwich spread? Yes? Relish?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay, so yes, I hate relish by itself. Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I loved and I love. I love as she loved
pickles pickles and I love pickles slice.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Okay, so that is me. That ain't for me. One
thing I won't be doing is eating nobody's pickles, because
nothing I will do is I see them and I
politely just move them to the side.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Like you ain't relish but not pickles?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yep? Okay, Well, just like I love tomatoes, I love
tomato sauce, but I hate tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's fair, period. No you're right period period.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I don't I don't want that. But yes, anyway, we lord,
we are way off the beaten path, so let me
bring it back. So today's episode, I am playing Missita.
Those of you who are old enough you catch and
you know the reference. Uh. But with that being said,
we are going to give missi Chi Campbell her flowers
this weekend are still here segment. And this week although

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we started the show talking about all of our favorite
foods and all of the things that we enjoy in
terms of breakfast, this really this entire episode, we're kind
of in our tech bag, which we have been in.
So we're going to start off the show by asking
the question how has technology really benefited you? And what

(05:27):
I mean is, you know, I know we love a
good cellular device, right, you know I love my Apple products, right,
And we love a good social media situation, you know,
the Instagrams. And we tell y'all to visit us on
the Blue Skies and come on down to the show
and leave us to comments and things. You send us
a good email, right, aol, you've got mail, right, like
you send us those things here and there. But we

(05:50):
haven't really talked about how tech has impacted us. And
so what I do want to say is this, I
think the thing I absolutely love and adore about technology,
outside of all of the other bs around it, I
know for me, it's the parasocial friends that become your
real friends for me, So like I met Treville Anderson
online before they became my friend. I have two of

(06:13):
our listeners. They It was funny because I actually had
I had dinner with them the other day and they
were talking about the show, but Kyle and Jarrett shout
out to them their faithful listeners to the show. They
literally we met on Twitter, and so it became a
thing of we were going back and forth. And then
one day I was like, ohma Be and Sam Frand
and they were like, can we take you to dinner?
And I was like, this is weird, but sure they

(06:36):
seem cool. And literally from that moment, it's been almost
what four years now. I think we met right before
the pandemic and it's been it's been years of us
every time I'm up in San fran every time I'm
near sand friend. They came up for my book talk
at Berkeley. They are literally my sisters, and so it
just it's really cool when like the para social becomes

(06:57):
like the real and you can actually be friends. And
I think, like I think a lot of the friends
and a lot of the close connections that I have
with people, even in the industry, even you know, Jessica
Marie Garcia, I remember tweeting her and now that became
a real friendship. So Twitter just really has given me
a lot of family and a lot of really good,
chosen friendships. And I actually think that it's really cool

(07:17):
that technology can do that. And so it was it
was fresh on my mind, and I was thinking about
that family, friends, chosen family, and how the internet and
tech kind of shapes that, and I just thought it'd
be really cool to talk about. But what about you,
how tech impacted you?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean, this is definitely interesting question. I think for
a while I was kind of ruled by tech, Like
I have a very tech from me in life.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
At present.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
There's a point where I needed to have the newest smartphone.
I have multiple gaming systems at the top of the
lying laptop to do photos and video games, and I
would game online and to make videos and contents and
blah blah blah, and so like as an adult, I
want tech to work with me.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I want to simplify my relationship to it.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I mean, in terms of inventions, give the Apple, the
apple ecosis system, this, it's all as fuck, Like I
get why people say, like I not the does come
for all, and I do understand why. So that's like
a tech. Definitely love but the invention of social media
is great for many reasons. But I don't know if
I always feel as a field to buy by the

(08:18):
parasol show really really especially because like like like I
think to your point, like the ones that become real
offline are ones are meaningful like, but the parasocial by
definition typically means one sided and so like I feel
fulfilled by them that they of all offline, but sometimes
I don't know, like I just don't always love them

(08:39):
because I don't always know. I don't always know if
those those relationships are meaningful for us or like like yeah,
sometimes I'm definitely like I definitely the person who will
messages when I'm like I think that, like I think
that then I would like would like would like like
would be best friends. But there's also but there's also
like a healthy like relationship with reality like like like

(09:01):
like like never meet me this person, but but they're
not the mouth focus and sometimes like come and like
my messages.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
You're like you and I would be besties.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I'm like, yeah, I think I think we might be
a little the base from reality at present, you know.
I'm you know, like, but like maybe we can be,
but you're just so sure based off of this one
story I posted like I.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Don't know, you know, and I don't. I think I
don't want I want.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I don't want things to feel too one sided for anybody,
for me or for them. So I think I'm just
like super mindful of like how those evolve. I also
so you know, but so yeah, I think I think
like tech has been really great, and I think also
tech in terms of accessibility or like thing like in

(09:54):
ease or convenience. Like for example, I went church in
Care a few weeks ago and they had to take
to get my but pession. It was like this new
contraption that was like done and it was like done
like thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
It was so quick. The tough like was it was
like it was like wireless.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I was like, this is so cool, like GOLLA days
where you have to stay sit there for like an
hour and have them like like tens like have them
squeeze little put thing to puff upright and jest right
like it was quick easy. The technology has gone really
good to like some some of some of the fotest
process right or like when like when I walk into Kayaser,
my phone's like welcome to Kayaser, to your chicken, to your appointment,

(10:30):
my girl like this, like I love that, Like you
know I'm here. Some things I don't know if I'll
ever get into. Honestly, is chat GBT. I just I'm not.
I'm not in love. I understand that AI is doing
more and more part of our everyday life, but I
try not to use it unless I actually have to,
and I try to use it, like I don't consciously

(10:51):
use it myself. It's just it's hard for me to
want to use it. And also way more girl. Way, No,
there's no way I'm in that Dann car.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I've seen. I so I've seen. That's valid in
the sense that I have seen people post on the
clock app that they've gotten like locked in the car
and couldn't get out. I've seen did you see the
video of the girl who was going in circles people?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, people get hit by cars.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
People get well, yeah, yeah, people girl people circle, Yeah yeah,
there was the video I saw. I haven't seen anyone
getting hit, but I definitely saw the video of the
black lady who was stuck in the car and was
going in circles in that parking lot and couldn't get out,
and that was enough for me to say I and
I was tempted. When I was in Vegas, I downloaded
the app and I was like, I just want to

(11:37):
give it one go, just to see if I like it.
And then they I guess they've pulled out a Vegas
for whatever reason, which I totally understand why they've probably
pulled out of Vegas, and it's probably because, like I said,
car accidents, right car. So I yeah, I haven't been
in a city. I mean, I go to La a lot,
but most of the time when I'm in LA I'm driving,
so there's no need for me to pull away MO.
But yeah, I feel you on that.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Definitely not for me.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean I saw it recently in my neighborhood and
was like, te us coming, It's.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Coming coming, girl automations coming.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
He's like, oh no, Like what we do, like.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Is a drove on my street and I was like,
I must destroy it.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
You see the little things all around around because it
literally looks like it literally looks like a drone, but
it's like a car drawn on wheels.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Isms to Waimo like I am like, I am never Nimby,
but that was definitely I was like, no, my backyard,
absolutely not girl, she won't be that is not for me.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Uh yeah, And that's that's actually I'd be interested for listeners,
for any listeners who has done there. So there's way moo.
And then there's another one that I forget the name
of it, and I saw it and it's like a
little goal. It's not even a go car. It's like
a little car, and I think it has two seats
and you basically can sit and face each other, but
it's also drive it's also driverless, and.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
The cards a Jaguar, And I'm like, oh, I would
real quick.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, you said that sounds terrifying a little. I forget
I saw that. I literally saw it because again, as
everyone knows, I was in Vegas a couple of weeks
ago doing a book talk and I remember seeing the
people promoting it, but I don't remember the name of it.
But anyway, I would love to know if anybody has
done the way mo Or has done anything you know

(13:26):
that that does not have a driver, and what their
experience was with it, because I have yet to do
anything where it's like, oh, there's no driver in here,
because I'm like, I'm a little yeah, I don't know.
I just also i'm you know, I'm with you when
you're right, and that's one of the things that you're
actually very right about, and I'm like, yeah, I don't.
Tommy is great for people, not for of course, but
it's not me. It's not for me. Okay, y'all. Well,

(13:49):
with that being said, now that I have convinced you
to switch your green bubbles to blue, actually Joho did.
Joho has actually convinced you to do that, Bully, and
that does work for work, honey. Y'all know, I'm off
forever Bully Android us their honey, just for principle, because
why would you do that to yourself? Why would you
why would you not love yourself more and get yourself

(14:11):
an iPhone? I just don't I don't understand it. But anyway,
we are gonna take a quick break and when we
get back, we're gonna hit you with the category a second.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
A second, Hey, fam, we are back.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
We are black, and I am not here for the
android slander on this show. We are gonna hop into
our tech bro back table with a bit more.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And we're talking about this season of Black Mirror.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
We're gonna give any spellers away because all the episodes hit,
but we've watched behalf of them, and so we think
it'd be good for tib of the ones that we
have seen, and asked the question to ourselves about Black Mire, right,
because this holy is infes seeing a theme is about tech.
So Mirror is adding to the terrible feel we have
around tech? Or is it simply just commentar?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And how many use it? What do you think?

Speaker 3 (15:12):
So? I think this is a really good question because
I think in I think in the past few episodes.
So for those of you who are not huge Black
Mirror folks, right, I know some folks who are like,
I'm not watching Black Mirror because it's too close to home,
which I get. Then I have people who are like, Okay,
some of this feels a little too you know, it's
a little too sci fi thriller for me, and I

(15:33):
don't like that. Okay, I get that too, Right, but
I think in the previous seasons of Black Mirror, I
think they were trying to caution us as to like
what our lives were becoming or where we were headed
around tech. Right, So I think about seasons, and I
might be wrong. I don't know the season verbatim, but
I think about that episode with mother who had the

(15:57):
Instagram account and she basically the swiping. Do you remember
that episode.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
The ones where you like rate somebody you're.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Rating yeare rating episode?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I think about that episode as being kind of the
pivotal of like the pivotal point of the series and
basically kind of reminding us of like, y'all got to
be careful about the ways that you engage technology and
you engage with each other on technology. So I was like, Okay,
I get the premise of what the show is, but
I actually think, now, you know, now that the season
is back, I think now they're really saying, here we

(16:30):
go with our imitating life in the sense that I
appreciate what the show does because the questions this specifically
this season, the episodes that I have seen, there have
been questions that lie under each episode, and there are
moments where I'm like Okay, sis like this is this
is this is a little too close to home, like
the first episode of the season, right, like with the

(16:53):
notion of of ads, right, how how literally everything we
do you know, and again I'm not giving anything. The
whole episode is based around this notion of ads and
it's it's no, it's it's based around this notion of
how much we're paying for different tiers of different like
everything we do we're paying for and it's a little annoying,
and and and and and I think that the episode

(17:14):
really kind of nods at this idea of like how
much of ourselves we give away just to be able
to pay for luxury. That's really what this, this the
first episode of the season's about. So, you know, while
it's funny, and while there's some moments in the show
where I'm like, wow, this is really fucked up, Like
it it really made me kind of look and be
like wow, you know, like fantasy, you know it it's

(17:36):
out there. It's we're getting to this point now where
everything about our life is a subscription, and and it's
really starting and I don't I don't know how you
feel about it, but I know it's really starting to
annoy me girl.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I mean, first of all, I'm saying because like, bitch,
not me playing ads.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Bitch, why my mouth giving you ads?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
And what and what doesn't actually put into my personality?
Like that's right, no sense and real talk. I'm with
Also a girl, what subscription she was on? Let me
hook me, hook me up to your package. Let me
get a job so I can be I could be
on your whatever you're on. Say okay, I'm saying right
because like, let let me get that, let me get

(18:14):
that rivermind total plan whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
The highest highest highest dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I'm giving your firstborn child. Do it? Like you know?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
So like I think, you know, I think like the
I I think I took away from that from that
from the episode. Without getting too much spoiler for folks,
all the apartment is like, y' yeh, that's not but
also but we'll wow clocket well I'll say is like
I think, like it was a huge commentary to me,
was like to be a huge commentary.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Of like like.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Right now right like ads or like but like we're
all offered streaming.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
As this like new way of life.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
And then quickly it became about odds for people, right,
as a revenue building and then as to have taken
over our life again and like in this episode, right
and and and like and like and like in this
episode right like it like it literally took over someone's life,
and I thought that it was just so so interesting.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
And also like, yeah, you know, the like the deafly a.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Theme of like like, at what point will technology take
take over us? And we and we and we like
we become too fused for it, too fuse to it
especially loses my next thought for you because it's such
like like it's it's such as like a sci fi thing. Right,
So do you think, from what you've seen some of
this season handles the balance of sci fi paculation and

(19:45):
human drama?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Well, yeah, yeah, you know, I yes, so to your
like I said, I there is one, so I I
will just be transparting. I got through the first few episodes.
I don't want to spend a lot of time harping
on the east of one because I know a lot
of people have a lot of thoughts on that one.
I don't really have any thoughts on that one. Per se.
I thought it was just an episode, and I think

(20:08):
they were trying to recapture the energy that they caught
with the queer episode that they did. I think it
was like season three or season four, and I don't
think it landed the way that they wanted to. But
that's neither him nor there, I think. To say all
of that, I will say that I do believe that
the first few episodes and not at what we're and

(20:29):
I say we're as black queer people experiencing and living
like when you think about, you know, specifically that episode
with the black woman who worked in the office, right,
this idea that she's having to deal with racism, gaslighting,
and then also having the idea of like how like
how do I get this person's life? And so she
was like helping. It was literally like the other girl

(20:51):
was trying to I don't really know how to explain
it without giving away too many contact clues, but that's
like the theme. There's this theme of we want what
we can't have, and also a lot of what we
have or a lot of what folks have, they got
it in a very fucked up way, and so I
think that's the thing that like that episode, And again

(21:12):
I might be totally off, but that's kind of how
I took that episode. I was like, Wow, this is
actually really deep because I think we have a habit
as people to look at the tech of life, right,
and I say tech meaning you only see what someone posts, right.
So I can post day in and day out that
me and my partner are loving and happy and that

(21:33):
we're going on cruises, and then we're doing all of
this stuff and then you know, you find out that
I'm in a very abusive relationship. Like that's that's what
That's what technology does. It puts away. It literally puts
a blockade between the reality and what's and what you're
putting out there. I think the same thing about people
and their jobs and their careers. You know, I see
people out here who you know, you you follow them

(21:55):
and you think, oh, they're on the red carpet and
they have these really cute outfits and they're dolled up,
and then you find out they're broke, right, Like, you
find out that they're damn near, you know, filing for bankruptcy.
Because so it's just like, that's what that episode gave me.
That episode gave me a lot of what you see
is its perception. It's not necessarily real. And I think
that that's what I really like about Black Mirror as

(22:17):
a series. I think it really does well to get
us if you're if you're if you're a sci fi girly,
because I think if you're not a true sci fi garly,
you probably are not going to enjoy any of the episodes.
But I enjoy. I'm a true sci fi gurly, and
I think that this this season did really good to
be like yo, like instead of us interrogating these systems,

(22:39):
I think we need to start interrogating people. You know,
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think, like I do they think it's about tech?
Can I see as like tech growth, if left unchecked,
could actually lead to our downfalls and like our decay
as a as a society. Right, Like the earthing I
got from this is like all the tech inventions are
built to be helpful at first, I think, but capitalism

(23:04):
quickly deteriates all intention and decays good for the sake
of funding. And so I you know, and so I
so I feel like that's one piece of it. Also,
like how technology shapes your ouseter perception or reality. That
was definitely present for me in that episode, like with
with like with the gaslining of like oh, part of
this is how technology shapes reality. And I thought that

(23:26):
was so interesting, Like that was like the whole the
scene that the scene that when when when when they
were in the office watching the video and that changed,
I was like actually gagged. I also, I feel like
the idea of time as present in this, like the
episodes that I've seen so far, right, like are about
either reliving time, correcting the past, or like changing your future,

(23:48):
and how tech is like the conduit for life to change.
But she gives us like a false sense of security
with it, you know, like like Easter Raised episode or
gay as some people have been saying, because gay, I
am so done. It was so it was so interesting
to me because the point to the point of that

(24:09):
tech was to relive nostalgia of old films and such, right,
but you also could end up dying if something goes
wrong on that film, And so I thought that was
like the interesting of like you have this technology to
help help like relive the magic of like you know,
the silver screen the day you know, or to like
interact with people that you that like you can never
wrap up before, right, But like but like but they're

(24:33):
frozen in time. They only have like their models are
only up to that point in time, and you don't
actually know how to interact with them at present anymore.
And yet you're trying to have this magic that like
won't have because you're actually too like in two different parts,
like two different timelines, and so it's exactly in the
possible right or like or in or or in the
second episode, right that like the girl had it all.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
She lived through every timeline.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It was something enough for her, so she wanted neigh
her friends in the first episode, right the first episode
like like she needed more time, but time came out
of cost for her, and she was trying to a
literal cost and a cost of like who she was
as a person because she adds right, And so it
was just like a like we're all like, we're all
fighting for time to be different and using tech to

(25:20):
do that, but but it actually isn't. It's it's actually
for more harm than good, despite you thinking and being
for good.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
So okay, so that being said, because I because that that.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
That it was really cool about it for me, I'm
curious to ask you what's what's impressed to you the
most so far, like in what you've seen and what.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I've seen so far I think, well, one, I will
also give it and say I love the fact that
there's more representation in terms of I mean, obviously episode two,
you have episode three, you have black women who are
pretty much the leads you know in both episodes and right,
and like I said, I haven't made it fully through,
but episode one is to do.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Don't you.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
No, I'm not saying well, I'm not saying yeah, I'm
not saying that Rashida is not. What I'm saying is
I kind of feel like she's more of a co
star than she is the lead. No shade, I'm just
saying I feel like the story is really about her
husband and the way we're seeing from his lens how
his wife. Right, as much as you're right.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right now, you're right, you're right, you're right because you're right.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
It is about the lad he's trying to go to
for cost to like, right, It's about him and his
perception on what he's doing to help his wife stay.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
We said no spoilers, but at this point we're just
gonna have to talk about it. But yeah, ultimately what
he's doing to keep his wife alive. And so I
say that to say, like, I think the and but
I also, like I said, and I also think that
I appreciate this season that they're dealing with more topics
of like emotions. Like I feel like the season's pasted.
We would get to an emotional arc in the episode,

(27:04):
and then something would happen and we would kind of
forget that that emotion is that was there. Something else
would happen and then it would take away that from
that scene. But I feel like in the three episodes
that I've seen so far, even though I would say,
like I said, the third episode's not my favorite, there's
still an emotional arc that I feel like we actually
got to see out of all of the characters. Right.

(27:26):
You know, in the first episode, we set with the
emotions of you know, what is lass Right, how even
with all the money that they were trying to spend
to keep their wife alive, they still couldn't get over
the they couldn't get over what emotions they had around
the child that they had lost. Right. You know, an
episode two, you're dealing with this woman who's you know,

(27:47):
she's really smart, and she has this great job and
she's doing really good at work, and no matter what
she does, she still ends up on the out of
this job, right, nothing she does so like just this
constant feeling of emotion and so I'm really that's what
also makes me really excited. One for my crews that
I can download it and watch it when my downtime,
but also too, like I think it. I think this

(28:09):
is there's so much emotional connection pieces like are there
are so many pieces that are connected to this conversation
around technology, and I think people take technology for face
value and I'm going no, a lot of this stuff
like I can so I'll say this and then I'll
ask you. I can see why my parents and my

(28:30):
grandparents were very apprehensive when tech. Cause again, so we
have a little bit of an age difference, but I'm
I'm almost certain you were probably old enough to remember this,
like you do you remember that moment of feeling like
of like we went from like little tech to a
being like big tech and it literally felt like overnight.

(28:51):
It literally felt like overnight, like we went to bed
and it was like, oh, you can have a cell phone,
but cell phones are expensive and not everybody can have them.
And then it was like we went to bed and
woke up and it was like, oh my god, everybody
has a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
We went from what was it?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
The it was, the the t one, the one what's
it called?

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Phone? Yeah, but it was, and so like I can't.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
But now as an adult, I think and also too,
just because we're you know, we're critical thinkers, right, I
think there's a part of me that also understands why
my family, why my grandparents, why some of my older
family members, even my mom. My mom is you know,
in her sixties and she's still m m. That's too
much for me. I'm not doing that. Like my mom
won't wear an Apple watch or she won't she she

(29:41):
don't believe in tap because she doesn't trust the machine.
There are a lot of little things that we're seeing
implemented where my mom, I don't facial recognition now, I
don't want that because I don't want them doing stuff
with my face like I see that. But I'm saying,
like I think coming back to the show, I think
that there's an emotional piece that I think need to interrogate,
and I think that the season really set us up

(30:03):
well to to challenge that question. What, like, what are
your thoughts about about it?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Who?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I know I said a lot, My gosh, I'm like,
I'm trying to think of so many things going through
my head?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Could you could you rephrase the question?

Speaker 3 (30:20):
And I just want to know, like what are your thoughts?
I guess I can even.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, my thoughts one thing so far?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I think I think like I mean, I've always I
had I've never been like a like I was never.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
An avid watcher this show, like I watched a.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Fee are in there when I first when I first
heard about it, I thought it was like a horror.
I thought, I was like, this is like like that
mirror sounds like scary and terrified, and I was like, oh, actually,
actually isn't that scary as actually like it's actually pretty interesting,
right like and I'm the fish. When I saw was
the one where like the Prime Minister has to the pig,
and that was just like an.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Interesting Oh okay, I didn't see that one.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I was like this ship it was a wild Then
I saw one like where like like you could like
you can like you can you can you can like
replay like memories through your through your.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Eyes or through through a screen which is string, And
then I like then that I saw.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Then I saw the one that was like you rate
the people everyone loved the Sand Sand June of Paris,
the one, people like love the one. But yeah, like
you know there's something I was like, yes, just something
whatever about but I think like.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
What what what what what? I didn't always thought like, yes,
this feels too close to home for me, like to
like Tuber. I think because and like.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
My parents, like my family was never like my It's
like my family is pretty tech forward, like they were
never like shy for like I remember, I remember like
Y two K was such it was like such a
thing for them for sure. They're like they're like they're
they were definitely like okay is near Y two K,
Like we hope we come out facial stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
It was fine. I like, I do think that, like
I think that the show, like I.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Watch it more now because I because I because I
do the show. I think like makes you face yourself
in some things right and and honestly, like a lot
of British shows, I would say, make you face yourself
like and it's ironic because I'm like, because I'm like
for the O G. Colonizers, they really do know some

(32:35):
great compelling TV.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
There's so much better maybe.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Because they're like listen, we've learned, so like we're trying
to help you learn. So I feel like, you know,
it makes you face yourself and things that you haven't.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
It makes you in some ways.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
It's like it does it and like it's like you
become consciously you know, but you keep doing it anyways,
which is also part of the point of the show.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Or it makes you like.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Chase me about it, right, And so I think now,
like it's just such it's such a compelling series because right,
the idea of it called like black mirror.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Like my friend I was like, what why gotta be
black but mirror?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Right, It's like it's it's holding right because like black
because it's it's showing you like the quote unquote like
darker side of the mirror. Right, I call it black
because I'm like, that's not that that.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
But also your right.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I always took it as like your computer screen or
your past or your screen.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Is that is exactly right, like it's a black manor
you have no idea what's actually happening on the on
the other side of that, right, Like you no idea
like all this ship that's competing, right, Like for example,
like I'm not sure people don't actually know. People don't
actually know that like when they use chatbot or ai stuff,
it actually uses like a ship to have water from
like other water systems in different countries, right like that

(33:49):
is exactly like a black mirror thing, like you don't
know what's happening behind that stream that you use. And
so I think the show is just so it's just
so interesting, so fascinating and compelling in that way.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I think it definitely.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I know you a question on there, like do I
think it's like do I think it's optimistic or just oping?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I think it's just oping. I think it's like it's like.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
A George or nothing entity for twenty thousand times, right like,
like it's just different versions of this. I think it
is all about our conception, consumption, our agree you know,
it's about how we like, how we say face or
or use others to say face, how we gas like

(34:28):
gay Key, girl Boss, like how it's like it's it's it's,
it's it is holding it's it forces us to reckon
with like how we act as people in the world too.
And if you actually get if you actually get the show,
it will make you think about.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
How you act as a person. In the world in
context of the thing you watched. If you don't get it,
then you'll watch it and like that was good TV.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
And then which is also probably is also part of
the joke too, right, like yeah, it also it's a
very self aware show of like listen, you may watch
it and just think it's compelling TV and great and
then you're and you're missing the whole point. Or you
may watch and be like, girl, I should I should
stop breaking people on my Instagram sometimes right.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Doing impairing myself or looking and that's I love. Yeah,
I agree, you know. One of the last questions that
we have, you know, was, you know, I wanted to
ask you, you know, do will it? Is it making
us more hopeful? Or is it really making us more scared?
And I think, you know, I think kind of like
to this this point around. You know, I've heard so

(35:29):
many I only really listened to like three or four
different podcasts. I'll say that. But in one of the
podcasts that I listened to and shout out to the
friend Zone because I'm a huge fan of the work
that they do over there. But I was going to
say on the friend Zone, I know that Assante has
brought this conversation up multiple times, talking about AI and
talking about tech and the ways that tech has you know,
helped us and how tech has is ultimately you know,

(35:51):
kicked our ass in so many different ways, right, And
I think that that's one of the things I'm constantly
trying to be mindful about. Like I mean, for me,
I was kind of the same with you. And again,
I don't want to give myself too much pat on
the back, because I am that girl that struggles with
the feeling of fomo when I see my friends upgrading
their phones in their computers, and I, you know, I

(36:13):
know I can now, right, like I have the means to.
But I also hear Jade in my ear, Jade from
you know, Jad and xd Jade in my air, being like,
you know, excuse my language, but like, nigga, you don't
need a new phone like you have the latest phone.
Why do you keep upgrading? You're wasting money. You're only
making the world or the earth more terrible. And I

(36:34):
hear that, and I respect that, and I'm like, yes, Jade,
I hear you. But also at the same time, it's
hard because it's like that little me, the little ten
fifteen year old kid who was broke is still struggling
with the notion of everyone else got something new and
I don't, right, And I think that's the thing that
Black Mirror has us like revel with, right we It

(36:55):
revels like the whole concept of Black Mirror, not even
just the season, but in general, is this idea of,
like you said, capitalism and elitism and this notion of
how deadly truly, how truly deadly. And I think from
episode one how deadly elitism can be for us. And
so I think I've lovingly taken a step back and said,

(37:18):
you know, like even down to this computer that I
record on. And so I mean a lot of my
friends know I'm a huge I'm really deep into the
Apple ecosystem. And you know, for a very long time
I had it in one, which is a Mac one studio.
And you know, even when the Mac two came out,
I was like, no, John, like this is this is
the opportunity for you to sit with your computer that

(37:39):
you don't need and really work on whatever issues you
have about feeling like you have to have the newest
one every time it comes out. And so I waited
five years to get a new you know Mac Studio,
and like that's big for me. That was really big
for me. But there's there's still this element of like
I'm still learning that I don't always need the newest thing.

(38:01):
I don't always need to be spending my money. But
also too, like that just the thought of how tech
and elitism and all those pieces get into your head
and make you feel less because you don't have what
everyone else has. Yeah, it's just it's it's all fucked up.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
That that that's that's so real because that's something like
like you know, this MacBook is the first probably like
the most ever on the paper force is that book,
and I'm on it because I had not bought a
laptop since, like since I was in college. The last
time I had was when that like that, like my
last job had just let me keep because they had
they have bought the top of the line when when I.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Worked are working there and let me keep it.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
But like this firstman, I bought alat top of this
much money, and I was like a privilege, I can
do it. But also I was like, god, damn, this
is expensive, but I pray it last me forever, last
and better for the price I paid for it. I
have like a top of the line thing, and I
also like see why it works well, like you can
do all my stuff on here.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
It's a power house.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I'm also I'm also mindful of like I don't want
it to be last just a year and call out
a day, right like, because they and I also think
things are things are positioned to us to be like, oh,
like you need the new one because the old one
is not lasting as long, right like right like my
like like roommates, someone was I hate this if she
ever she ever listens to. Miss girl was pushing an

(39:22):
iPhone twelve for the past. She was pushing the I
phone twelve for the past. Wow, at least the past
four or five years, right like she just she just
got sixteen.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
After and I've been and I've been like.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Girl, upgrade your phone like like like I was like,
miss girl, you still have two cameras and they're not
even there.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I know they're like like like like you still have
the notch, Like girl, like this one is cracks, Like
you have you have the let it go.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah you ain't got tap on your phone? Bitch, Like
I was not here. She like best her soul. She
was like she was like, bitch, I don't. I don't
need like I don't need it for the things that.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Don't need it. And I'm like, I'm like you do.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Like I'm like you're like you're on her recording videos
in TENITYP. You can't even do four K?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
What are you doing? Right? Like like I was coming
for her and she she was like, girl, I'm gonna
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
But then like right and and like and you know,
it's like something that was the same way, like I
got the Eye and I got the iPhone thirteen and
the fifteen was already out, and I was like, I'm
in the fifteen, like the thirteen, it is just fine.
And then and then this year was like okay, like
it's been three models, I probably ship a new one, right,
and she yeah, and she has got the sixteen.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
She has the sixteen, and she like and she goes
like yeah, like I get now.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I get now, and and me and her are both
like no, what though this was probably the like was
probably last.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Just a few years. We need to get anymore?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, so yeah, I saw so before we move on.
I saw a man today. I think he had it
had to because it still had the touch button.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
On it.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
He had an iPad with the touch circle button on it,
and that's saying, my god, relic. He said, I have
not seen Yeah, I have not seen an iPad with
a little touch since a thing on it since I
probably since I finished my.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Doctor, no song, no song I was listening to. I
listen to the you. That's because one o one other
lyrics is like one of the lyrics is let the
new iPod just touch it and turn me on.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
And I'm like, not the iPod touch because the way.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
That was like a moment on the iPod touch and
then and then how quickly the iPod was a raise
from and we yeah, a little memory. I came out,
you're done, you're done.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Go ahead and wrap it up because you're done. They
really folded that itue the iPod. They photoed her up
and got her up out of their asap. But what
but do you remember? So my question for you is
which which one did you?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
So?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I did the touch and I had.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
The on touch.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
My mom had got for work one day. She had
got the iPhone, the iPhone.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Three G when three G was a thing. But it
was before the four s, before the series was before
series of things.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Fourth series.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
It was it was it was it was one my
brother before that, and and I remember I was both
being like how the fuck this phone work?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
We were both gooped, like how do phone work? Where
it was I was like three G?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
How how the future? We are now at five G?
And let's talk about it. Because if you didn't have
good credit, you couldn't have that phone because AH had
that phone exclusively. Yes, and so my black ass because
I had bad credit at the time keyword has had.
I had to go to Sprint because Sprint didn't do
credit checks at the time, and so I could not
have that just.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Crazy, right, like like young younger on this trouble.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
It was like it's true because you know, like like
because my my, my, my parents always had a business
account and so like and so we can we always
can get upgrade. We want to get but like but
like like like my dad that was he had like
he had almost opened he was in trouble and day
with with the account. He was like, I'll just like

(43:08):
I'll just open my my my own.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Account and this credit and they said, sir, you can't
open the account here.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
No, yeah, your credit was you could not there was
no way to Verizon was real hard on that I was,
and I was so happy the day that I was
able to clean up and fix and get my credit together.
That was the first thing I did. I ran out
to Verizon, and that was actually the same year the
Verizon started carrying the iPhone, ran out to Rison and
I got my iPhone and I was so happy about it.

(43:34):
And I was with Verizon up through that to that point.
And then I just recently switched from Rising to a
T and T because Rison served terrible now.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
But that's a whole nother but hot take. I still
miss a cordy keyboard. I still miss it.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Like I would be going to work with these.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Inger and my finger knew every fucking but and without
me looking at it.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Girl, The way I would flip so let me let's
talk about this real, The way I would flip that
phone open and I would hit that one thumb key situation, girl,
and hit sin and close that phone and go about
my business.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
The way I thought my first smartphone it was. It
was called the Murder Charm. It looked like a BlackBerry,
so it was it was like a full keyboard.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
It was.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
It was just like one screen, no slide, no flip
just one thing, a full keyboard and then the top
half top path was touch screen. You can tell me, ship, bitch,
I thought I was executive count realness, I'm not thinking.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
That was when I got my BlackBerry. I got a BlackBerry.
Didn't know half of a BlackBerry.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
What do I have? Ay call my people?

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Girl?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
No, no, no, I have the charming side because the
bberies weren't. So we're we're we're we're garaphones.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
So yeah, so I have the thing is said, But
you can tell me the way I would say, I'm
an executive girl. Okay, give me, give me my five
inch pumps, give me my key, a little blazer, which
I am a business woman.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
The way my financiation made me feel like I was
a business girly, like I had business on campus to do.
I had to be and the u h the University
Hall building to get to get it done. Honey. For
those of you who know cal State Sana Bradino that
are listeners, you know what I'm talking about. Girl. The
way I would move around, then is it so I'm

(45:29):
we're not getting out of this, then let's talk about
Then the rumor came out. The rumor came out the
What was comparable to the rumor was the chocolate soison.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Oh my chocolate.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Pushed up and it had the quirty in the bottom.
So Verizon and AT and T had the chocolate, whereas
we had the lumber and it was rumored too.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I had, I had, so I had I had because
that that was LG.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I had a Samsung version of that.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, I think, bitch, and the iPhone untoppable because the
way I have a full phone on here and then
side push up.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
You could text your whole the way.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I would be going off on people with that and
it would give me, like I think it gave me
like five hundred characters.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Whole story. Girl, get you, get your life, Get your life.
And then that's like I said, I went from the
rumor to to the iPhone.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
And then that was a camera. Girl, hate to see
me coming. Okay, by.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
The way that my uh my bathroom mirror hated to
see me coming. With that, when they put the camera
on the phone, it was over. I didn't even need it.
I didn't even need a camera anymore. I was using
my phone for every photo. Girl, I thought I was somebody,
and every five minutes I was taking.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Crisp Girl, chrisp Okay, Chris is l R quality.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
What a moment, Yes, what a moment walking down memory anyway?
All that, yes, all that could be said, bim.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Now that we have, now that we have turned off
every app and gone down every memory road and make
sure the apps are no no longer listen to us
the past thirty years, we got to get a quick break.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And come back with more and just a bit.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
All right, y'all, So this week we're gonna keep the
tech conversation going just a little bit more for our
next segment. And what I wanted to do is I
wanted to add a little bit of a twist with
the conversation. I wanted to ask the question, since we
just finished talking a lot about black Mirror this week
for What's on your Plate, I wanted to ask you
how has food apps like Uber Eats and DoorDash change

(47:45):
the way you eat or the way you think we eat,
or the way the way that we interact with food
in general. I know, for me, I personally have a
love hate relationship with DoorDash because one I get robbed
by them every single week. But what I will also
say at this point the relationship I have with like

(48:05):
the door Dash and the Uber Eats. I feel like
the food quality has gone down because of them? Am
I wrong for feeling that way? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
That is such an interesting question? Okay, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
I do I do.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I do have to go back to our last summer
real quick, just because you had me go down a
rubber hopefully quickly about just like the names of phones
back then, you the girls they could never I'm on
my way like you have the Samsung gravity, the Samsung instinct,
the HP envy, the the the like, the the ras,

(48:45):
the name.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
You girls could not today phone girls even ever at all.
But you just have.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
You just have iPhone, Galaxy and Pixel. Bitch it. We had.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
These phones had character, They have your personality, and you
wanted that.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yes, there was not even a chance of like, oh
that phone is cute. No, if you like, for instance,
like even for me, like I as much as I
had my rumor I steal was that girl who wanted
the sidekick? I to this day, if the sidekick was
to ever show up on AT and t's website, I
might have it.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Girl.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
If they read the sidekick, I'm not gonna lie, I
would scream.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I would listen that loud ass phone.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Okay, sorry, I had I had like I had like
I just like wrapped it up myself.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I was like, wait, I was going down this thing? Okay?
So do I think I don't think.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I don't think door Dash or like uber eats what
made them call you go down? I do think it
contributes because maybe people are ordent, like a wrap more
rapid rate. If they there's like and it's never consistent.
There's sometimes where like like the Millian order from the
dash is like on ten, and sometimes I'm.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Like, what the fuck does this bitch give me? Or
I'm like or I'm like, what the does this bitch
pick up? Like what is happening here? So?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Why is my food on the world touring girl?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Because the worst did they already they ever made was
let me track my food?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Because I was like, why is why are they I
live in San Diego?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Why do you call him right now? Let me call
him right now and be like girl YouTube the right
incidn't you?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Why are you an Escondido?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Because the way I mean, the way I'll be messaging
them like is the and they're like, oh, when's the
order girl, tell about hurry up, like I get mad
me no me.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Me me and my me and my me, my me,
my me and my driving my door.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Drivers become best friends and suer who if some are
mac you girls, some are mag you. There is one
guy who like he was so fine and I was like,
I was like, I was like mathling with him, like
like they can't have a hookey on the phone.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I was like.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Then when he like when he delivered to me, I
was like, I was like, would you be a personal
the little driver?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
He was like I could be. And I was like,
how you doing it for anything? He was like maybe?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
And then I was like and he was like and
then he walked away, and then he wanted and didn't
give me a number.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I said, oh, okay, that's fine, that's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Why do you have this information? You could go into
the door ash and say, hey, you forgot to bring
the utensils. Oh you're smart. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I never thought that. I said he was gone forever.
That was like two hundred door.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I do feel I do feel too dependent on them now,
you know, and like in sicarts and stuff, But I
do feel like they helped.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Me a lot when I needed them sometimes.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Listen, I'm not conspiracy theorists, but I will say sometimes
a small stunt. When these things came really popular during COVID,
I said, yeah, I never heard about this until until
Instacar uber Eat, I said, oh, interest.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
But even zoom didn't Zoom become real big because of
the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yes, yes, but zoom Zoom was always there.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I mean DoorDash was too, I guess, but I never
have Instacar until until the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I said, yeah, But.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I mean I use them a lot because I was like,
I'm not gonna go shopping. I'm not gonna rist my
health go to the store, you know. I I honestly
I ordered door Dash less than during the pandemic because
I ordered like once a week, just like support small businesses.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
And then I cook a lot. I ordered them a
lot more since the world opened up.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
And sometimes, but I'm a Dash house member and so
I'm always like for delivery. But but and then I'll
tell you this, but sometimes the many prices are higher
under under Dash, you pick up your delivery right the
rat goes up, I said, gropp And so I mean,
I mean, and now I live in the area where
where I can pick up easily because I just walk there.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
But there are times, there are times or the blaze
is around the corner, and I will still deliver.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Bitch. That was me today. I was coming back from
the airport and I really want it. I'm gonna I'm
gonna name it because I really wanted. Oh no, Hawaiian
No No. And I was looking to see where one was,
and there was one maybe fifteen minutes out of the way,
and I said, do I spend the fifteen minutes driving

(53:33):
there and the fifteen minutes driving back or do I
just pay the thirty dollars for door dash John?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I could literally walk to this place in eight minutes.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
And I'm like, sometimes it be that way sometimes, you
know what, I.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Know what, Sometimes I do it because I can, because I.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Can, right, because what we know, that's what we worked for,
right what I will do. So before we before we
skirt out of here, what I was gonna say, I
wanted to ask you what are your thoughts on kitchen because.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
We we we have this, we have this come before
and I stand, I stand by it.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I still love it. I know you hate it.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I ride for it heavy okay, and when they're done, well,
this is ghost did that did vegan sushi?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
That ship was fire? Or film?

Speaker 1 (54:16):
At least once a week there's ano another ghost kitchen
that did like where where else will I will I
fucking find Parochi's okay, that ship was fire. I've had
some bad ones. I've had some bad ones, but there
are some good ones. Although I will say I did
order my friend or came from this ghost kitchen, and.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
We had and we had, we had, we we had.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
We went in the hoods and we're like, where the
fuck is this place at this Like it looked like
so it looks so bougie and fancy. We're like, this
kitchen looks realty.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
So and it was. It was fine, but we were like,
this is not given what I thought I was giving.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
So like sometimes sometimes it does. Sometimes it is a
little bit like.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Girl, I think for me, the question is more around
the automated. So I had made a note and I'll
put the story in our I'll put the I'll put
the actual article in the in our show notes. But
I was gonna say there have been stories about the
mishaps around the fully automated restaurants that like McDonald's been
trying to do fully automated and then Taco Bell I
think there was a like a flood, there was something

(55:15):
happened with one of the Taco bells that was like
a fully automated one too, And I've just been thinking
a lot about that, like is this the like kind
of talking about the black mirror of it all and
the technology of it all, Like is this the way
that the world? And I think the biggest thing for
me and the reason why I'm like no on a
lot of this is this also is just another way
for like houseless people and people who don't have the

(55:37):
means to kind of be left out on the curve.
And that actually reminds me of I'm actually gonna change
my nomn PAM this week. That just reminded me of something.
But anyway, all that to be said, Yeah, I just
I'm still a little on the fence about I'm not
a fan of ghost kitchens, and I'm still very very iffy,
like you said, with the way mo of it all.

(55:59):
I don't like the idea an automated restaurant either. So yeah,
I'm just I'm real.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Also like also like part of the experience for media
the restaurant is to like chit chat with like like
like with like like with the server analysis like, let
me listen, I'm not I often get free things when
when I go out because you're charming, I'm likable.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yes, I can't charm a robot bitch.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Yes, that's the title the episode. I can't charm a robot.
I know. That's why I'm not saying that I try
to get free things.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
But I'm not mad that I do.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
But I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I'm not gonna try and charm the android girl like you.
I'm like, hey, hey, Roby, you.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Look sparkly today. I can't see that.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Well that's just like just like the time. So also
for in to the show, my friend Heather, I think
you've met Heather before you met Heather at the book
signing my friend Heather, she met her and another in
the ours. I don't know if you met if you've
met quasm.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But but the three of you.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, we're like, yeah, the three of us were real close.
And so we went out to dinner once and they
had a robot bringing our drinks out and I was
thinking to myself, like I was like, I don't like this,
and the guy was like, oh no, it's you know,
it's fine as fine as fine, And it felt like
the robot kept dropping the sodas in the water and
the stuff every time it hit the right if she's

(57:30):
dropping water everywhere, like can you get yeah, So i'mide
get that out of here. How somebody bring me my water?
Please get somebody else to do it, for real, get
somebody else. Get a human to do it. Please get
a human to do it, because this is definitely not it.
But anyway, now that we have you question it, why

(57:51):
door Dash and uber eats got all these damn scam
ass fees, We're gonna take a break for some non
scam advertisements and when we come back, we'll be here
with your favorite segment back in a flash. All right, y'all.
So this week, obviously, like I said in the last segment,

(58:15):
I actually am gonna change one of my well I'll
probably go to add it to my nomam pam, because
it's our show. We could do whatever the fuck we want.
So this week for my yes, ma'am, I just wanted
to shout out for those of you who've been following
me and who've been knowing so by the time y'all
hear this episode, we are. I just want to put
this out there for our listeners. We are recording a
little bit earlier than what we normally record because we

(58:36):
both have work stuff. We also have I'm actually I'm
going on vacation, so we're trying to make sure that
y'all there are no bumps in the listening all right.
We're trying to keep y'all fan while we also take
care of ourselves in the meantime. So I just wanted
to make sure that I put that out so by
the time you hear this. It's been a couple of
weeks since I got back from Berkeley, but I definitely

(58:57):
still feel like this sentiment will still be here by
the time you hear this, And so I just wanted
to big up my friend Gia ju Nipper, who is
the is a co director of or co executive director.
But I don't know their full title, but I know
that they do. I know that they run the GSA Network.
And for those of you who don't know what the
GSA Network is, the Gay Straight Alliance Network is an

(59:20):
organization that actually works throughout southern, both northern and southern
California to make sure that LGBTQ youth can feel safe
in their schools and have the support that they need.
And I just think Gia is doing a fantastic job.
And I was she was. She helped me with some
stuff around my book launch or my book talk a
couple of weeks ago, and I just watching her in

(59:40):
the community that she's built, and just the way that
she's raising her son, and just everything about Gia, it
just it makes me believe. You know, I don't know
if you saw that clip it's going viral there is
you know. Somebody was saying they asked the question, how
do you know that God is real? And the person
responded by saying, because of because I know trans people.
That's how I feel when I look at like, I

(01:00:02):
know God is real, and I want I've been wanting
to say that ever since, ever since I landed in
Berkeley and I connected with ga, I like I can
like I felt that I was, like, I know God
is real because trans people exist, and it's just such
a beautiful like just to watch her and to know
that she's in this world and to know that she's
doing what she's doing, it just makes me so happy
to be alive. So yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

(01:00:26):
So there's that the no Man pam that I have.
So I have two and I don't know how the
second one's gonna land, but I'm gonna start with this
first one. Being in Berkeley is cute. Okay, I want
to say that, but I had never been to Berkeley
until that book talk when I got asked to come up,
did you ever have you? Did you ever know of
an hco FI? I still have no fucking clue what

(01:00:49):
that age show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Were you on campus or were you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
I was at a restaurant, we went to the boat
House in Berkeley, and I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
So it can be like a health like like a
health care really costs. So I know, i'm chemist, there's
a there's a health care fee, and I know that
some restaurants in the Bay did implement that after the
pandemic to help with those costs. I honestly, whenever I

(01:01:17):
go to Berkeley, like because because I'm space, I go
here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I don't pay for things myself, so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I don't I have no idea what happens, or I
don't go. I would like fancy, not infancy places like yeah,
like if I'm not like I mean boba or something.
So I haven't seen anything like that. But I I was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Like, girl, yeah, I don't know if anybody that listens
to this and they are from Berkeley. Yes, girl, I'm
pissed because I had to pay I they added eleven dollars.
There was my fee of how much I paid for
my meal, and there was an extra eleven dollars on
top of the text that I already had to pay.
And I was like, what the fuck is this? And

(01:01:59):
I called the way back over and I said, I
don't mean to be cheap, because I'm not that girl.
I'm I if normally, if I see a feel on
my on my receipt, I'm usually that girl that's like,
it's a couple of dollars. Let it go, it's not
a big deal. I'm not gonna make a stink. But
I was like, eleven dollars. I said, I want to
know what this fee is. And so the lady was like,
I don't even know. And I'm like, well, why, Like
how are we getting away with this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Like I don't even know?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
She didn't know? She said, right, and she said, I'm
not the first person to complain about it, but I'm
just like, what the fuck is the HCO fee? So,
And you might be right. It could be for health care,
it could be to be helping people who may need it,
and I respect that, but like I said, I just wish, Like,
for instance, if you go to restaurants here in southern

(01:02:42):
California now, a lot of them have those signs on
their window that says, yes, we implement an additional six
point twenty five cats on that is not a tip,
and that is to help us to make sure that
we can pay the workers fairly. I'm like, okay, bet right.
If you're telling me upfront that I'm going to be
paying an additional six point two five percent of whatever

(01:03:02):
I'm paying to make sure that these people can have
a livable wage, you know, I know I'm paying for it, right,
and I could be pissed off about that. But at
the same time, you know, sometimes you know, it costs
money to make money, so whatever, right, I don't I
don't really trip off that. But the fact that people
just be sliding these fees in, like how some of
these companies are sliding in fees, say fuck. So the

(01:03:22):
other day, when I was trying to get to the airport,
I had to pee and I went into and I
asked the girl could I use the restroom because it
needed a code, and she was like, oh, you have
to be a customer, and I said, you know what,
and so I just left because I didn't want to
cuss her out. But it really, it still pisses me
off that companies and organizations or whatever do this like

(01:03:45):
this is just a clear, very very upfront And that's
what reminded me when we were talking in the last segment.
This reminded me of the ways that we really shit
on houseless people who can barely just again, like they
have no they have no luxury, they have no liberty,
they they're not treated like humans. We I know in
my heart of hearts that the only reason why people

(01:04:06):
police those restrooms because they don't want house those people
in them. And it really really bugs me. So so yeah,
so anyway, all that to be said, yeah, fuck companies
who who police the bathroom? What are your yes ma'ams
and no mams for this week?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Ooh, just just just know that a lot just know
know the af fel you on that for sure, Like
I think like like if they're gonna pay, give them
an hour, give them an hour to like like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Because truthfully, who sits here anyways? None people say here
anyway like give an hour to like sit and stuff
and and like and and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I would say like for data queer and trans folks,
especially transfers of color. Majority of us get our Internet
usage through public spaces like cafes, skoby shops and libraries.
So like kicking us, I won't help us. And all
she makes us, she makes us more more disfranchised.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yep, yep. So my hams are a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Double sided today. They're both for the phrase yet the dolls, Yes, ma'am,
because like, yes, protect the dolls like I love that.
I love seeing on shirts, I love seeing it on posters,
I love seeing everywhere my man him is. You can't
just wear it and call it a damn day girl, y'all,

(01:05:17):
y'all listen. I love petro buscal I do, I really do.
Y'all are on his dick about this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
See where he wore a shirt predect the dolls news glasses.
The dolls are protected like what like blessed his soul?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
But like and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I'm not trying to attack any person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I don't ask what is he doing for the dolls
try wart at Coachella.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I live, laugh, love no one. I'll just say this,
no one say anything about choice?

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Am I wearing it? All?

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yl said about Petro Busko because you call him daddy
and love him because he's hot, knowing knowing something about
Troy and man wearing it on a stage of stage
stage coach, like why is not on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Giving him his love?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
And also was try doing for the for the dolls?
Like when you say protect the dolls, like what do
y'all mean? Because I'm telling you right now the people
who most folks who look at that shirt there I
don't know about actual dolls like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yes, never know who who the dolls are.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
You're just pandering to me, like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Like don't like, don't you just show you care? Like
say you care, show you care, diaction.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
If you want to have put at the dolls, girl,
putet the dolls.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
There's this there's this creator where is it by the name,
But they have they've been doing videos like hello, hello,
doll check in all, check in, doll check in?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Are you get it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Are you saying no, You're not? Okay? Cool?

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
And I'm like, oh my god, it's so real, Like right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
She like protet the dolls to the dolls, check in,
check in, we're not protected.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
And I'm like, girl, for real, like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
No one is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Y'all got you more than this, and you have to
and loveingly y'all. You have to want more.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
For like you have to want more than this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
Like want more for so fit up, want more for yourself,
want more, want more for your trans siblings and track
like like want more for them, Like I do not
care if you wear a shirt that's pit the dolls.
I care that you are the one that's at the protest.
I care the ones talking about protecting trans folks. I

(01:07:19):
can That's what I care about. You can do a
naked honestly, and and hopefully you might. You might, but
like the new Black Lives Matter, yeah, like yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Yes, yes yes, And I'm like please, like please don't
hinder it with a T shirt, Like the T shirt
is cute and I love that, but like if if
you don't wear that, do something about it too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
I love the people are wearing it, and I want
them to wear because like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
If they made my size, bitch, I have the shirt too.
But you know what I do ship for I do
ship for my community, right right, I don't show I
don't know it. I don't know if everybody else does, right, Okay,
And I don't see I haven't seen any like my
transfer you wearing that shirt, right because they're like girl

(01:08:06):
protectas like like they're too like they're too worry about
being attacked to like we're about a T shirt, y'all,
Like someone like something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Actually do you like? Do what do what?

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Do what? Do what?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
The shirt says? Which at the dolls otherwise knock.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
At all or give the dolls money so they can't
give them protect.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Give or you'll give money the organizations are, give the Starhouse,
give money to trans Health, trans Health and Family Services.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
It's like give money to like the organizations are doing
the work, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Then and buy them T shirts, yep. Or make sure
that they have food to go along with the T shirts.
Right yeah, because a lot of the dolls aren't a
lot of the dogs they can't be safe because they
don't have what they need to be safe. And that's
that's something that I will keep screaming from the high
heavens that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Y'all think you ate with a T shirt, but the
dolls are starving. It's all starving theory.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It's cute and theory, but the reality is is that
you are a rich person wearing a shirt that says
protect a certain class of people who are not who
are not rich. And I think that's the thing that
for me, I don't want to use because I know
an excuse me for anybody, like I know, tone excuse me, no,
tone death is problematic, So I don't want to say that,

(01:09:15):
but I whatever the alternative to that is, right, It's
just it's very I guess the best way is half assed.
It's very No.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
No, I haven't seen I haven't seen one person bring
a doll with them to a premiere. I haven't seen
one person have a doll next to them. Where the
dolls go? They that they they you're protecting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Joe was like, make it make sense if it up?
Is it fad enough? Yes, Like like like make it
makes sense, girl, watch me throw it throw it back?
Like what make it makes sense? Like that's literally like
she literally Cookie was asking all the right questions in
that song, like that is literally what it's giving, right,

(01:10:01):
Like what like what are you doing? Like it's it's
just it's absolutely you know, we looking at the time,
and I'm going, we know, we gotta wrap about just yeah,
that's what happens when it's just us on the mic.
Is we literally just be having fun and kiking. But yes,
protect the dolls. Also, please just stop doing that, like,

(01:10:26):
just do something. Stop talking about it, just do something. Please.
That's literally where my heart is. All right, y'all what
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(01:10:46):
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can the dolls find you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Of course I can find me at Joho. Danel's yapping
across all socials. Oh, I love it so much fun,
it's cute. I love the people say it now because
I'm like, oh, like when I said you would say,
young people like, oh, yapping sounds so old and y'all
loved yeap, But I love yapping as well too, And
find me at my website yapping at Jordandane's dot com.
If not there, you'll finally make sure my fridge, my

(01:11:28):
fringe is in check. It's honey, hodw I'm about to
go on this week.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I'm about this. I'm abouna get my ye in my hall.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
You daring so by the time y'all hear this, we
have been to the Cowboy Carter Show and we will
come back with your come back ya with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
My my friend is my friend is already in check?
Baby girl? Yes, I STUDI find some chaps.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
You know, what have you seen? There's a girl who's
going viral on Instagram for what she wore to Coachella
or no, no, no, no, no no, what's the other one?
What's the other stage coach? She wore something this past
week in a stage coach and it's going viral because
she looked so good. And I was thinking, I was like,
if I had the body, I would probably try to

(01:12:12):
pull something like that for Beyonce show. But here we are.
I'm gonna be in some jeans and a cut off.
What do you call that? Like a this kind of
situation because that's all she can get out of me
because I'm tired. But with that being said, as for me,
you can find details about me and where I am
in this country at ww dot Doctor Johnpaul dot com.
Please buy my book. Go to my website. You can

(01:12:33):
purchase the book there. You can also purchase it at
Barnes and Noble. You can purchase it at Wyley. You
can purchase it anywhere where books are sold. And then yeah,
keep buying the books running up and uh yeah, follow
me at Doctor John Paul all over social. But that
being said, we want to thank our producer Bai Wang
for handling all of the logistics that come with the show,
and everyone over at I Heeart Media for keeping the

(01:12:54):
show up and running. We'd also like to shout out
our wonderful editor Chris Roger, because without him, we'd have
no audio and no visuals down to the tubes of you. Yes,
we wouldn't have it yet, and go watch. I see
people commenting and I see y'all leaving notes and stuff.
It's nice, it's real nice. Let me one day I
may peruse and pull some of those and we just
talked about some of the notes. Y'all leaving, but I'd

(01:13:15):
love to see it. I love to know that y'all
down there following us and loving what we do over there.
But anyway, this has been another show. Stay black, fat, femine, fabulous,
and remember what Jojo.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
We We're gonna be a cup of teae girl, But
some water because for the radio chipling circuit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Over and man, amen, wherever she is going, you will
need some water, honey, because you will be standing on
your feet the entire three hours. Be safe, protect yourself.
I love us for real until next week. Bye,

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