Preface Manifestation (Featuring Tracy T. Rowe & Cara Pressley)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Film Podcast. It's a production of I
Heart Radio and Dr John Paul LLC. Hey, everyone, welcome
to another episode of Black Fat Film where all the
intersections of identity are celebrated. I am your host, John,
also known as Dr John Paul, and I'm here to
just say that scam money, don't make money, but freak
money do. How are you Joe Hoo? Okay, listen, I

(00:23):
am sent years away from making only fans deget doing
a SMR with my nails lit with the money. I
know that money. Me talking Yes, sometimes you gotta make you.
I'm saying you gotta make it sometime, so it's gonna
make a dud too. I feel like like my little
U Dolly partner moment here. But what's good, fam? I'm

(00:43):
your other other hosts during our Joe Hoo and I
recently star wearing Sunds scars in my hair for fashion,
I mean and obviously for like hair as well, like
the leveling up in my blackness. And I am living
for It's giving butch fantasy. It's giving wave cat I
got no ways, was giving wave cat um while looking
cute and through my curls. So I'm doing great today. Yes,
it's definitely given. Butch queen category is butch queen, and

(01:08):
I am living for it. I wish so. So I'll
say this before we jump into the show. I in
my mind love the idea of me and a head scarf. However,
I have a very oval shaped head, and so every
time I like tie a scarf around my head, I'm
always thinking to myself, Damn, you got a big ass head.
So I never because literally I feel like literally on

(01:32):
nothing beforehand rocket I could try one Day'm I trying
to do the little up swoop thing that you know
that the girls that have like the the like the
bun at the top. I might do that if I
have the patients. But with that being said, this week,
we are teaming up with some amazing people. Now, I
know many of you watch Red Table Talk and have

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definitely has some thoughts about some of the stuff that
we've seen. So we decided to bring some really amazing
individuals to our table and officially have them on our
show so we can read table that give it up.
For this week's guest, Tracy t Row and Carl Pressley.
Hey y'all, hey, hey, thank you so much. Come look petty,

(02:23):
come on listen, come on some money for me. I'm
happy to be here with youall. Oh I'm feeling successful
so far, Yes, every day amazing for me. Yeah, that's
that's definitely what's what's up. And so this week we
are gonna and I'm so happy that you said I'm

(02:43):
feeling successful because that's literally what we are going to
be doing today is we are going to be talking
about success, and we're gonna be talking about all the
amazing things and so as we do in normal um
black fat film fashion, we are going to start this
episode talking out how we are still here. And the
question that we have for you all um is we

(03:05):
want to know what would you like more of in
your life? Right now? All right? Cara, who goes first?
You want to order? You want me to kick it off?
I think you should n't get off, all right, well
I let me kick get out. Then I want to
hit head goes. So what what I want more of
in my life, honest to goodness, is more liberty, right,

(03:26):
I want to be much more liberated in the way
that I don't have to even for one owt of
a second think is it okay for me to say
this here about my life. It's okay for me to
talk like this. Did I colde switch in the right way?
Did I? You know? I'm I'm so over all of that.
I really want more liberation. I have found some liberation,

(03:49):
but I want more of it. I'm ready for all.
I want full liberation. That's what I love that. That
is definitely on my vibes. What about you, Kara? You know,
I just want more new And I know that may
sound crazy, right, but like I'm moving intentionally, and I
know some people are afraid to start new things, but

(04:10):
I want to try new things and I want to
kind of be bad at it just to say, hey,
what what can I do? Like because I need to
sort out this stuff? Right? So I want more new
and I just want to try just a lot, so
redefine in those areas of my life. I love that
so much. What about you? Thank you y'all getting some
these spiritual answers. I just want some dates, Like like

(04:37):
you want some spiritual broth, You'll want some like someone
some like liveness, And I'm like, I just want some dates.
And I just started dating more this year, and they've
gotten myself serious about going on dates and doing dates
and it's been quite interesting, Like I am learning a
lot about myself in the process, so i'd like to
see I would like to see more dates because I
want to see you don't learning about myself but also

(04:58):
like you're just hot your like have a little fling
here and there like and that's the God. So let's
let be word through the men'ses. If you're listening to this,
my dams are open. I am single and like a Pringle.
Everybody to being goal. I love it up. But y'all
think not the new Pringles, if we're gonna talk about it,
the new Pringles and Nasty, the one that they have

(05:20):
with the Ripples, they are definitely you know how they
step out and then you have to come on back here,
go back to So I do want to say that,
but I see sometimes new ain't always a great thing.
See that they tried something, he failed it. You're saying,

(05:41):
I'm not doing anything new people leave it alone. Yeah,
they should have just left it alone. But I love
all of your answers. And the reason why I asked
this question is because I me and my partner have
been rewatching Real Housewives of Atlanta and it was funny
because one of the episodes we recently saw Marlowe. It
was the episode where marlow and Ninnie got into it
and and he was like, support me, bitch. Yeah, wow,

(06:05):
that's very funny. I think that there. I just I
feel like I'm in this place now where I kind
of feel a little like I understand why Nini said
that specifically, thinking about like how oftentimes you think you're
doing well, and you think the people around you are
going to love and support you and lift you up.
And there are moments where I think, even on my
own journey, where sometimes I wonder like where are the

(06:27):
people who genuinely I thought we're gonna be in my corner?
And so this week I just had a moment and
I was like, let me step back and just kind
of put that out into the universe that you know,
I just looked out a little bit more support, Like
I'm not asking everybody to give me, you know, all
of their time, but I do. I had a moment
this weekend it kind of boiled over into our show
where I said, I think for me, I genuinely would

(06:48):
love a little bit more support. So I think that
and I don't know if you all can attest to
that but I think it's a very universal feeling, you know,
And I mean I love that you said, like you
just want some of their support to that doesn't always
equate to money, and I think that's what people are here.
Like support is sharing the post, Support is liking the post.
Support is just saying hey, because you ain't talk to

(07:08):
me in a while, Like it can look different. You
gotta find and stick to it, right, Yeah, I love that. Yeah,
just share, just share the knowledge of my existence and
what I'm doing. That's a little support me bit her
right and voice, Come on this still here is everything.

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It's giving, it's giving growth, it's giving you asking for support.
And right now, n I do hear a pumping shy
order is ready at companying and telling to get me
to go collect our treats and get our surprise for
our guests. This is when we get back and we're
talking about how to create the life you want with
our incredible guests. So this week I specifically posited this

(08:00):
question for all of us to have this conversation because
as you all know, as we're recording, we always record
kind of a week. Early next week when the show
actually drops, it's going to be national Coming Out Day,
and so with that being said, I kind of wanted
to posit this question for all of us because I
know that at some time in our lives, whether you
may have and again you may not have had two

(08:21):
I always like to tell people, you know, not necessary.
I know that Coming Out Day is focused on the queerness,
but I think that there is this element of us
always having to come out as black people in some
some way. Right We're having to tell people about our experiences.
We're having to tell people what we like and what
we don't like, how we identify, and you know, thinking
about intersectionality and all of that, and so taking all

(08:42):
of that in consideration, knowing that this episode is gonna
drop on National coming Out Day, I wanted to start
the conversation with talking about purpose because I think that
there is this this look and I would say, this
looking glass that a lot of people have when they
look at folks like ourselves. We're on national forms, were
working with really big names, and we're working with really

(09:03):
big people, and so I think oftentimes people think it's
easy to kind of just be there, right, Like we
don't talk about and I'll say that it's not sexy
to talk about the struggle right, and a lot of people.
You know, when you feel like you're in a different world,
you might not fully be able to understand or comprehend
what your purpose is sometimes too, because life can make

(09:23):
it complicated and very hard for you to understand purpose.
And so what I wanted to do is I wanted
to kind of start this conversation and talking about how
you two have found purpose in the work you're doing
wherever you're doing your work, and then how that leads
to this larger conversation about understanding who you are as
as an individual. So any of y'all can start, but really, like,
what does purpose mean to you? That is such a

(09:47):
great question. I'll kick it off. You know what kind
of goes back to like my intro when you said
how am I doing? I say I'm successful because there
was a point in my life when I was saying
I was okay and I wasn't, and I got to
a place where I was hired of lying to people.
So whether today I needed rest and I needed to
lay in bed and watch Netflix all day, I'm feeling

(10:08):
successful about my decision. I know what I need, whether
it's I'm going from job to job and hustling all day.
That's successful for that day. So my balance started to
look different. I had different parts of my life where
I was t J's mom. I was a twenty year
old son, so I was t J's mom for a
good solid ten of that as far as football games
and basketball games, and I got to a place where

(10:30):
I was I was not t J's mom anymore. I
wanted to be defined by something else. So in my
work of just remembering who I was outside of a mom,
outside of a daughter, outside of a friend, just what
does Cara like? That helped me create the life that
I wanted. So I became the career cheerleader. That's what
I do now. And my goal is to help people

(10:51):
pivot personally and professionally. And I think that last part
is important personally and professionally because we want to often
sometimes where we say we're two different people, like at work,
you may be a Boston CEO and and then you
come home and you're the mom of a toddler who
can't even understand what you're saying or you know what
I mean. So we have to align those things because
they do spill over into each other. But I think

(11:12):
the core of all of that, I just said was
what do you like and what works for you in
this season? Right? So redefining that constantly for me is
something that helps me and helps others in my work. Yeah,
that so good anything. It's the seasons because I was
the parent, even parenting goes from micromanager to consultant. I

(11:36):
don't know what you should do as an adult, you know,
so and then't even observer where they don't even want
you to console my forty My forty year old son
needs no consultation. He's like, just look at what I'm
doing and and and support it. But we gotta redefine
it for ourselves. So it's a constant evolution. Yeah, well,
you know, it's so interesting. Car and I have so

(11:58):
many overlaps and intersections where we are. And one of
the things I think where we have had our experiences
a little bit differently. For me, purpose has really evolved
from me and my childhood, from not feeling seen right,
from being the short, fat black girl and then getting

(12:19):
older and being the short, fat black and now old
gay woman and all of those things, you know, and
many times people see that about me before they know
who I am. And so it is not the period,
it's the comma that you need to know beyond that,
and to be seen, affirmed and loved is really what

(12:42):
I identify as my purpose. Now. I face my business
and I make it my business to ensure that people
know that they are seen, affirmed and loved, and that
they see affirm and love themselves. And so that is
that is my absolute, unequivocal, short, fat, black, gay, married
old purpose. I love it because we are just when

(13:06):
I say opposite, we are just opposite but the same
at the same time. And that's what even connected us,
you know. So, I mean we literally our birthdays are
days apart. We're both five three, you know, it's amazing
how many things we have in common. But I'm as
I'm as gay as the day, as long as she

(13:27):
is straight as the day as an arrow right, And
when it comes to that, her son is twenty and
my son is forty, and so yeah, so many things.
But the purpose that she and I share is about
supporting and uplifting other people and lifting people as we climb.
Is a moniker that I'll happily have attached to my
name any day, absolutely, and creating the life that you want,

(13:48):
like you said, so if you need to wear some
mits Max socks, because that is something you can control
in your life to do that. Start that small, literally,
and that's the whole one of every day amazing for me,
y'all is literally that every single day, the fact that
you're in it is what makes it amazing because you

(14:09):
have something in you in that day that you're gonna
give to someone that's amazing. It doesn't mean that you
have to make it amazing. It doesn't have to be
jazz hands. Is that you are in it and that
your day is amazing because you're a part of it.
I love it. I love it, Y come on amazing. Yeah,

(14:29):
I'm really I'm just like, I'm sitting so much with
what you said, Comma not period when it comes to
purpose and then I'm just like, who I'm gonna I'm mean,
like the uh prey on that later today because is
so just like so powerful to me and so we don't.
It makes you think a lot about like purpose in
terms of leadership. That's exactly would my relationship style I

(14:51):
had done this program, let's focus on just the color,
and we we learned, I guess for the my ladship
style was out of a counselor. So it was meant
to help some poort and cult to the others, to
help them find their commas and not their peers. Is
how I'm seeing in now with what you shared. I'm
just like that is just so beautiful. Like I know
my purpose is to is you know, I would say,
like similar to Carra, to help develop a nurture people

(15:13):
so they know that they have the keys to unlock
themselves the most beautiful way that they know what energizes, um,
what brings me to their identities, and but took me
through things that may not feel easy, but not to them.
And I just really I just thank you for sharing them.
And John's to the point, I just because it's gonna
be coming out day when it happens. There's a there's
a cool on purpose from Jack from her book for
you Finding Realness, and I want to put you out

(15:34):
a little bit. But she says, um, you know, she
she says, I I am on purpose, Like my makeup
and my hair is on purpose. I think for folks
who are maybe you know, de beating, do I come
out today? Do I come out this year? Like you
are also on purpose? Like that is the purpose to
exist audaciously and beautifully so powerful. Oh my lord. Okay,

(15:56):
So I wasn't expecting for this conversation to go to church, um,
but I feel like y'all have already just in Like
the the fifteen twenty minutes that we've been together, all
three of y'all have made me sit back and just
think about Wow, Like, I think the biggest thing for
me and wanting to posit this question is is I
think again, you know, kind of going back to the platform.

(16:16):
You know, there's so many people who struggle with trying
to figure out are they doing the right thing in
this life? Are they living their life the right way? They?
And and again, and I want to say this. I
cannot drive this this thought home enough. Is that there's
so many people who make it look so easy, like
they just wake up and they wrote all roll out
of bed and money is just thrown at famine, their

(16:37):
careers all figured out, and their families you know, gets
all dressed and they go out, you know, and be cute,
and they're all of these different things that I think
that we see and and and I always I have
to remind people that a lot of that is curated,
and so what I hear you all talking about is
a lot of not only just knowing and understanding your purpose,
but also this understanding too that you also have to

(16:57):
be involved in the curation process of building the life
that you want to lead. And so I just I
love that common that period conversation is in my mind,
what that curation is in this conversation, and I think
that there's just so much more that we can unpack.
So what I did want to get into and me
and just so the reason why I posited this question

(17:20):
next for all of us is me and Joe ho
spent a lot of times texting and talking like funny enough,
so I don't think Joe Hoo ever knew this, but um,
I'm gonna I'm gonna share this because I think this
is a big part of what this show is and
what this show is becoming. So years ago I remember
someone asking me like, have you back, and I think
it was like and I was talking to somebody about it.

(17:43):
I don't know at the old job. Obviously, I'm not
gonna name where we used to work or go to school, um,
because you know I hate that place. But all that
to say, um, then it's actually how me and Joe
Hoo met right. But the story goes someone had asked
me and they had said, you know, hey, John, have
you ever thought about doing a podcast? And I was
like yeah. They were like, if you ever had a guest,
who would you get? You know, if you ever had

(18:03):
a guest co host, who would it be? And I
was like, you know what? I was like, I had
like a list of names, but something in that conversation
like I kid you not your name came up, Like
I was like, Oh, Jordan Daniels. I was like, that
is actually the person I really truly want to do
the show with. And so fast forward seven years later.
You know when we pitch and we pulled this up,
I kind of feel like, in a way like as

(18:25):
much as I didn't know it at that time, I
was building all of the blocks to like manifest this
show coming to life in the way and again and
it feeling so natural. And I will tell you this,
like the energy me and Joe Hoo have on the
mic is the same energy we have on the phone.
It is the same energy we bigger back and forth viattacks.

(18:45):
We're bickering earlier today about something the attacks like me
and joeh literally love each other to death, and so
a big part of that is, you know, I we
were able to manifest it, and so I guess I
kind of wanted to put this out into the world.
We hear so many people talk about manifestation. I don't
know if y'all believe if it's real, but I will
say that I believe that so much of my life

(19:06):
manifest it. So let's talk about it. How do you all?
How do you feel about it? What does it look
like to you? How do you align purpose with manifestation? Oh? Gosh,
that one and the same, right, because if you, if
you're clear about your purpose, and you know, for me, manifestation,
purpose and frequency are all right there there layers, and

(19:29):
if you and for me, now that I am clear
about my purpose, like I had to get to the
integrity of it. I had to get to the integrity
of who I am to be able to identify my purpose.
And I can literally say, right claim live in until
I see it. I just say it, and it literally

(19:49):
comes to fruition. I can't remember if this was the
three six nine project that I heard, but it's like
the universe is literally waiting to conjure up what it
is you want, and so I you want. If you
want to know what I want here, let me tell
you want to hear it here go And so I'm
gonna say it. I'm gonna play that thing right because
I want it. And so getting to having the purpose

(20:11):
as the foundation and then being able to identify that
I can literally create my own life. But I have
to stay at the right frequency. I have to be
in the right place and the right mindset. And I
found that when those three things aligned, it's literally like magic.
It feels like magic, but it's a power that you
have to be mindful to harness because you can easily

(20:33):
slip out of it that part well, and you have
to you have to tend to the ground, you know
what I mean, Like if it's a fertile ground, and
you saw on the seed and the war that they're like,
it's all going to come together. I couldn't have imagined
the I couldn't have imagined the lane of my life
of where it is now. It's come together so much

(20:55):
more beautifully than even I planned. But this has been
like a four or five of your journey. Tracy is
very aware we started around the same time just supporting
like red table talk and everything that they were doing.
But it was an alignment with where I was headed.
Women talking about healing, and we were able to build
a community. I came up with the idea literally in
my backyard, and its manifested to a place of I

(21:19):
retired from my job last June on a Wednesday, and
by Friday I was at Jada Pickets Smith's house. This
is it's just the alignment of everything. But it was.
And people hear that story, the retirement story, right and there, like,
oh my mad o, it's magic, And it's not. It
was four years of work prior to that, you know,
but I had put in the work and thought about
what life could be like for days, weeks upon and

(21:42):
and just over and over, and like Tracy said, believe
did the work, put in the work, blood, sweat, tears,
and and here we are man it manifested. So and
it's it's not over either. It's like it's not a
final destination. It's still going. So uh, it's just continued evolution.
I can speak, you yield. And then the beautiful thing

(22:04):
about tilling the soil is sometimes you know, you have
to leave that ground and let it be hallow right,
and there are other times when you know you need
to replant and harvest again. And so it's all about
knowing what's true for you. You've got to be in
tune with what is true and authentic and real for yourself.
Are you Jewish us here? Because so the fact that

(22:28):
you said, yeah, you love the land life following that
rest and before you can harvest again or plant, you see,
it's like we're in right now. We're in this in
the Jewish countyrom this year called the year, which is
all about like every seven years you have a cycle
on the land rest and you and you wait, you
you don't plant anything, you don't take anything. Let you

(22:48):
see what happens, see what blooms, see what harvest? Then
you wait a year? I got and I'm just like
me my my Jewish history moment Oka living day. Literally

(23:19):
like this this scrtage about manestation is just so like
it's so beautiful, it's so powerful and general. I want
to say thank you so much for telling me about that.
To be beautiful, Like there's going to cry on this episode.
I'm crying over the episode. Yeah, and it's it's it's

(23:40):
so special because you know there's a question I had,
but I feel like the book you answered it as
you're sharing like when it comes to manvstation putting in
the work, but then then also being a chance to
let that work bloom. Like even John, you say that
you haven't visioned this, you know, years ago. Uh you know,
Like adversely I was saying, I'm saying, I'm saying home

(24:00):
my asks. It's like thinking about what you know, like
what the next big thing is, and and it's like
like my manversation was, I know, I want to be
in the position to use my voice, and I am
working towards use my voice, and I'm doing all this
work around me, like on my social media, at my
my my previous job. But like I did not, I
did not anticipate my voice being in this way and

(24:23):
John recruiting me to be to have my voice in
this way, which is so powerful, and I think speaks
a lot about my infestation of also being open to
what you actually can get from inversation, Like like what
like when you tell the universe what what you want,
you can't expect it to be the exact thing that
that you want. It's gonna coming to you in different
ways that you have to be open to that. But
I'm also saying one thing, not to cut you off,

(24:44):
Joe Hoo, but you also got to be clear. I
always tell people when i'm manifest specific hotel people, you
got to be specific and don't ask the universe but
what you want, but ask them for what you need
to because I have been in some situations where I thought, oh,
I got one, I want it, and then look back
at me and said, but you didn't need a bit
to listen, come on what you needs that? Yeah, the

(25:18):
truth is you have to have a preface manifestation before
I become open. Time to be clear about what I
want the universe and they'll be open afterwards. Just lets
me really clear here on the game is you know,
give you give me something in the specificans hangar, That's

(25:39):
what I'm asking for. She got us as a humor.
The universe has said no, true, true, But but I
won't weren't specific, but I will set to that point.
I think that's the That's also the point that Tracy
makes about about your frequency and it's like it's funny
because I feel like, like like Oprah was on her

(26:02):
frequency tip for like years and years and years area
and people are like, what is this? What is this viberation?
She speaks up, and I remember listening to her super
Show podcast for years and just think about this frequency
and and and I think sometimes when you when you
are in that alignment, when your frequency and your purpose,
your reverstations are aligned, I like, sometimes I'm curious if

(26:24):
you actually maybe like I don't always have to be
so specific, because the universe knows exactly you know, it knows,
it knows inherently what you're looking for and what and
what what is looking for you as well. And I
think this aspect of surrender, which is also interesting because
it's like surrender as you work towards and so yeah, yeah,
just all these all these things on inversations. Some of

(26:49):
that stuff too is like you know, people here manifestation
and they think easy. I think right, um, and I
think like just running down ten times under which which
which it's part of the work, it's not, and it's
not all of it. And like just because I'm an
entrepreneur doesn't mean you know, tears aren't here. I cried

(27:10):
when I had the job, and I cried without it.
The difference is these tears are worth it. These tears
are attached to the work. These tears are happier tears
because I'm just glad to be doing the work and
I'm actually crying because i can't do all i want
to do in the time I want to do it.
So that goes back into like that surrendering to right
one day, you have to be able to release some

(27:31):
of it and surrender the control of what you want
because the universe. You know, you can get in the
universe's way too. Come on a couple of times, yes,
and I've had the universe look at me and say
I was trying to get you free from this. You
are in my way, and went back, Yeah, I'm trying

(27:52):
to close out of the way. You came through the
window very much houses abandoned. Look, I've opened the door
for you to run, and you over here trying to
move furniture in. You know, I'm heartedly um. So one

(28:15):
of the things I wanted to talk about again, and
this ties into a more nuanced conversation around or a
thought keep saying conversation a more nuanced thought around um trauma,
and I think sometimes I think traumas and again, not
really wanting to dive into anybody's trauma specifically. But I
will say that I have done a lot of work

(28:36):
with my therapists in the last few years to work
through my issues on perspective, how I see the world,
the ways that the world has jaded me, and really
like working to make sure that I stopped letting trauma
inform the way I moved, like even down to this point,
like I used to make a joke years ago, and again,
I don't want people to listen to this and just

(28:56):
be like, oh, you know, John is out here just
saying that everything is easy. Oh it is not easy.
But I used to make jokes about always being poor, right,
like being a freelancer and being poor. And I had
a friend tapped me on the shoulder and said, you know,
you're saying that you're poor. Is putting that into the universe,
and that's gonna keep you there. Right. And as soon
as I stopped preface preface was prefacing conversations with this

(29:18):
notion of me struggling, or me being poor, or me
being broke, I started to notice how the way I
saw the world and how I started valuing my own
work changed, right, And so I guess I want to
dive in a bit more on the this conversation around perspective.
So specifically you, Tracy, if you can tell me like
your background, your experience and and and kind of how

(29:41):
you navigate not letting whatever trauma you have cloud the
way that you move in your world. You know, it's
it's it's a kind of a of oxymoronic, what I'm
gonna say, because on the one hand, as a black woman,
you talked about being jaded, and you talked about how

(30:03):
you have to be careful not to let it to
skew your perspectives. Right. Well, you know, black women been
saving the universe for for decades, for since, you know,
for existence, and so it's hard not to know that
and have the weight of that and have the pride
of that, and then conversely have the absolute fatigue and

(30:28):
exhaustion of that coupled with the trauma that I've experienced
from being a gay black woman. And so there were
literal years and I can tell you since it's this
is gonna be out on coming out day, my coming
out was the most complicated, simple mess ever. I wrote

(30:51):
my mother a letter and was like, hey, mom, how
you doing everything? Oh, everything's good, And by the way,
don't be freaked out because I like women right, like surprise.
And here's the thing. For years, I thought that I
had my family's full support and who I chose to
be with sweetie. My wife's name is Chandra, but everybody

(31:13):
calls her Sweete because I called Sweetie. Not been together
for years, y'all. We got married on our twenty fifth anniversary.
The marriage. The marriage was the undoing for a lot
of my family members, and the trauma I felt from
that literally shifted me off of my foundation. Because here

(31:34):
I am thinking my family supports me, they love me,
they accept me, they take in. I mean, my wife
and I have been the pillars and the anchors in
our family right for us as want to be married.
And then all of a sudden, it's is a biblical
and I don't know, and I don't think we should
support that. What the hell are you talking about? So

(31:56):
you thought we were playing house? You thought this was
Barbie and Barbie Dreamland. Who I don't over here? What
the hell the trauma of the family being in a
position where you've given me this facade for so many
years and the minute I say I want to be
equal mm hmm, then it's an issue. So it's a

(32:19):
difficult to navigate through the public when you're fighting privately
with your family for you to be accepted and loved.
So for me, what I wanna do is because I
felt that, I want to make sure that I don't
give it to anybody else, right. I want to be

(32:39):
able to let folks know that's your funk, you keep
your funk, and it's gonna be It's not gonna come
to me because I'm going to literally tehlar myself and
let that just slide right on off. I have to
be in that position because otherwise I'd be salty and
bitter as hell every day. So I choose to have

(33:01):
a perspective of love and to know that Sweete and
I got married because of love. And I want to
take that love that I have in my heart and
give it to other people and not allow myself to
be as angry and and left up as some of
the people word that didn't show up and stand up
for me when I needed them. Yes, yes, boy, yeah,

(33:24):
I you have said a whole word about And I
think that's really what this whole conversation slash the topic
of this show really is right, really thinking about how
we are rebuilding. And I think that's the thing that
I really want folks to hear as they're listening to
to us talk about our own experiences, whether it be
on this episode, whether it be on your show, or
whether it be like between you know, whatever other episodes

(33:47):
that they're listening to, our other shows are listening to.
There has to be this this thing that's kind of
reset where you have to say, what has been built
up around me is not working for me. What folks
have tried to put onto me is not sir of me.
I have to I have to redo something different. I
have to lean into my purpose. I have to I
have to clean up this. And I think that's the thing.

(34:09):
Like we are all a canvas, and sometimes people will
come up to the canvas and say, I think brown
needs to go there, I think blue needs to go there.
I think green looks better on this canvas. And sometimes
you have to say, you didn't buy the canvas, you
didn't give me the tools, you know, stop trying to
paint me as the person you want to paint me as.

(34:30):
I gotta paint myself. And I think that that's what
people see in this show, and this is what I
continues to take from hearing me and Joe Hoo talk.
And I want people to hear this too, that I
that it has taken us a long time to get
to this place, regardless of if we're queer or not.
It's going to take a long time to get to

(34:51):
a place where you say, I've built this house and
I've chosen the foundation that it's gonna sit on. You
are absolutely speaking the one facts I'm fifty one years old.
It was only nineteen is when I felt full and
clear about what you just said I had. It took

(35:11):
me having to read a book and I can't. I'm
not gonna be able to get a person credit. So
if you're out there listening to know, yeah, I'm talking
about your book. It was sol versus role equals integrity,
and all those years prior to nineteen, y'all, I was
walking around trying to be what other people wanted me
to be. I was trying to live up to the
expectations and paint with the colors that they have for

(35:33):
my campus and seeing that and solver soul plus role
when I realized I'm playing all these different roles, but
my soul isn't satisfied. I'm not living in integrity. It
was when I said, you know what, wait a minute,
let me let me reset, let me push the reset,
but and realize I'm fully grown, I'm not relying on
anybody for anything, and I get to live my life

(35:54):
in my whole way. That was literally when I got
to be truly in my walking in the light right
and in the sun and so and like en was
when I came out really right where I didn't give
a damn what anybody said about me. Me and a
merry friend to a woman. I want people to know,

(36:17):
like you have to come to that position like Tracy's
talking about as soon as possible. You have to know
what you want and what you need as soon as possible,
because what's gonna happen is you're gonna be between not
even a rock, but just to send a block in
a hard place, and you're not gonna have any choice,
and it's gonna come out in a rage way, in
an angry way at the wrong time, right right, you know,

(36:41):
And it's not it's not so much about what other
people will expect. But if you know, the sooner you're
comfortable with it, the sooner everyone else will have to adjust.
Anyway I'm trying to Yeah, I live, I live well.
With that being said, now that we all have to
call on Ya La von Zan so we can continue
to fix our lives, we need more a quick break

(37:01):
for us to kind of reset, and we will still
be talking about it. We're gonna be talking about healing,
y'all throughout the rest of this episode, and I think
what you are hearing is a lot of folks who
have done and spent a lot of time healing. And
so when we get back, we're gonna talk more about
our journey, uh and and really this thing of how
do we hold ourselves up as we're doing our healing
work more in a second Welcome back family, It's time

(37:42):
for a second segment, and we're gonna continue with how
are you healing? Since it's new and we're loving it.
I thought this was a great Seg Methalis episode because
the question I'll pose, I think we'll also of us
reflect on making the life that we want. So on
thing that comes to mind with healing and or when
I think I make the life that I want is
the idea of worthiness of that life. Um, So I
want to ask y'all, what's something that you used to

(38:04):
believe that you weren't worthy of and how did you
shift from that? Shift from that mindset, I'll start time
time to think about them past her guests and John.
But I would say I used to not believe that
was worthy of authentic friendships because of the amount of
bullying and like and I'm really clear and saying that
just bullying, like intentional dimming of my shine the experience
maybe maybe Belye, that was not worthy of friendships. I

(38:26):
would go through life having really inconsistent and shallow friendships
or you know, I would be everyone's like ugly fat
friend or funny fat friend or a smart fat friend
and not actually served a purpose as just a wholesome person.
And I shifted from that probably probably like midway through
my my call like my uh gi me college times,

(38:48):
because I had a friend that we had this fully
conversation my dad when I was with some health challenges
and I was I told, I told him I don't
have I think I don't have community around me, and
she made up InCred to me. She was like, everyone
that you have come in contact with has loved you abundantly,
like has shown up for you. And I understand that
you don't think you have community, but people are showing
you that you have community and you and in this moment,

(39:11):
you aren't choosing to believe that and that's real and
understand that and that's why I get it. But like you, like,
I'm here with you right now on this moment, so
I'm showing you that you are worthy of of a friendship.
And you have people that love you. And like they
don't love because you're funny, because bitch, you're funny and
bitch ifny, but like they don't love you because they're
you're funny. They love you because they love to be

(39:33):
around you. They love to be when you're shine. And
that when she's when when when they said they love
to be in your shine, it's like, I like burst
off and the tears because it took me back to
all the times where people were trying to turn that
dimmer down and she was saying, no, no, we love
we love when that dimmer and dimmer, there's no dimmer
not we love when that ship is up. We love
when that shine is on us. And so that was
the moment where I was like, oh, I can actually

(39:53):
shift this, you know, and I'd be clear like I had.
I had meaningful friendships in high school too, but I
still was both to this idea of do I am
I worthy of this? Since I was a moment where
I was like, oh, I can shift actually that because
no matter what people may be believe about myself, I
stually don't have to believe that I I can. I
can recognize that I am a right, a right person.

(40:15):
I am worthy of shouting on people and being shotgun
by others as well, so myself. Yeah that's beautiful. Yeah,
So what makes you worry? So what makes you worthy?
Tracy Cara? What makes you worthy? Because I am because
I'm here. I mean that is a secret right there,

(40:39):
just because I'm existing right period. Comma there period. I
used to think I had access to things and and
then I realized, girl, you do. And I just believed,
Like if it sounds crazy, because it probably is. I
just believe I should be backstage. I just everywhere I go.

(41:01):
I just believe I should be backstage. And nine at
the time I get backstage. And I don't mean just
I'm just running backstage in the concert. I just mean
access to when I was young, Like you're not gonna
stop me. I definitely was that person like come on,

(41:26):
but okay, But I've always had the the the luxury
of of knowing someone being in a space, someone enjoying
my vibe and letting me come on back from meeting
like Ziggie Marley and the Melody Makers when I was
a kid like sixteen is seventeen to just getting older

(41:46):
and starting to work different events in the city. So
like I realized that my service provided me access. Listening
provided me access and it wasn't something I was doing
in exchange of does that make sense? I was just
good at it and I realized people enjoyed it. So
that kind of transitions into the business I'm doing now
and providing people these small business owners who don't know

(42:09):
how to tell their story, give people that access. Tell
them what makes you sad happy? What was your struggle?
What's your favorite form of self care? Because if someone's
what your product that they're gonna buy into you, they
want to know about you. So that different access just
has helped me in different lanes. And because I believe

(42:29):
I have it, I tend to get it. That's how
I feel, and it works. It works with me. So
y'all just start there, come do you believe love backstage moment,
exclusive moment, I backstage pass. You know, it's it's so

(42:53):
wonderful to hear you say that, car, because for me,
it was the unworthiness really was in self speak, right.
It was never that someone else. And I remember from
elementary school people always thought like you, Jojo, they wanted
to be in my shine. I always had people around me,
whether they were authentic or not, and but it was me.

(43:15):
It was me feeling like I was unworthy of whatever
it was someone's time, the stage, the mic, the light
that I had, the I had that negative self talk, right,
And it was literally because when I looked in the mirror,
I hadn't identified with what I saw being worthy of it.

(43:37):
I no matter how much light other people saw in me,
I didn't see it for myself. And that was really
the catalyst for my unworthiness. And it took time for
me to unearth, you know, peel peel back the worthiness
of of me and be able to stand in my
own light and walk in it and then demand the

(43:58):
room and command the attention and then know that I
was worthy of it. One of the things I love most,
I'll say this, one of the things I love most
about myself is that now that I have that, I
want to implore other people to ensure they own their
own life. Yeah man, yeah, again, like this conversation if

(44:22):
if you don't touch somebody. I don't know what else
to tell you, but I think you know, I don't
think we spend enough time talking about how I think
what you're all kind of hinting at in your stories,
and even you Joe Hoo, I think you know you've
all kind of shared this notion. Even with access. There
are a lot of people who tell us who we
are or how we should feel about ourselves. And I think,

(44:43):
as I'm listening to you all, I think the biggest
thing that I have taken away from this conversation and
how are you healing or how are you allowing yourself
to feel worthy or really just even thinking about how
do we find worthiness or what do we struggle with?
I think one of the biggest things I've been struggling
is even feeling worthy to have this show. You know,
I wanted to say, you know, Tracy car you may

(45:07):
not have seen it, but on social someone recently reached
out and was like, how many more you know? This
show is so niche how many more episodes are you
gonna be able to do before it gets boring? And
you know, little stuff like that, right, people will knock
at you to see kind of what you're gonna do,
And so I politely responded, what we've just been renewed
for another year, So thanks for listening. But I but

(45:30):
I say, like, there are moments where you sit down
and you go, is my show really making an impact?
Is the word I'm doing really touching someone? You know?
And you have to sometimes like that self talk. All
of that is negative stuff that people or society has
said to you, that that is literally like residual dust.
And so sometimes I have to just go in and

(45:50):
take the map from under my feet and dust myself.
You are that girl, because you are that girl? What say?
I am one of them, all one, only one, So
there is nobody else doing what we are doing over here.
That's exactly right. Is what has helped me kind of
get away from that negative self talking, saying not only

(46:12):
am I helping my friends get platforms and I'm helping
my friends get put on, but I'm also helping other
big black fat film girls realize that they have a
purpose in this, in this world. You know, I am
one of that. One of the reasons why I'm so
happy that, you know, let's Red Table that gets to
be at BFF because it's so important. You know. One

(46:36):
of the things that's not lost on Corror or me
that we are two black, fat girls and we are
doing the thing. You understand what I'm saying, yes, but
that that self speak. But you know, the key here
is that what I realized, what I focus on is
what will grow. And so if if I focus on

(46:57):
all these positive things and all the wonderful things I
want around me and in my life and to be
connected with, that's what will grow if you are because
people will they all try to chip away at you
what you want to say. They're scandalize you. But that's
so hot, all that stuff to you, right, But you

(47:25):
have to really be shored up, you know, and because
if you believe that stuff and it's not true, it's
really just want to They don't want you to win.
They don't even understand why you're chosen. When we first
launched Tracy, remember somebody said in the main Red Table
Talk com is we pick these hosts. Jada herself don't
worry about it like we we've been doing our work

(47:46):
over here, minding our business. Universe, don't worry about it.
You know, Tracy and I literally minded our business. We
were doing the work on our own before we got aligned.
The team picked us. It was it was the universe wheel. Yeah, okay, Well,
jay Z say, don't worry about the universe. Want me

(48:08):
be here. Don't worry about it, sweetheart. We got it
so you know we will see you postcone. My thing
is this tune in every week. Come on, let's red
table Dad, and then find out why we are the home.

(48:30):
We're trying to help you first of all, you know
that's all that with it. Help here, help you here,
help you What do we say our heart radio, Apple
podcast or anywhere you get, anywhere you find out, you
can find anywhere back this question. It's your community for me.

(48:52):
I'm loving y'all, and I'm loving being here because rarely
do you see the collaborations versus the competition. But we
can be in the same community and help each other
in different ways. Say it. Don't ever wonder, No, don't
it will say wondering. All of these things are gyms
that people should just be putting around their homes out

(49:18):
come on, come on, yes, I live. Well, we have
one more bill to pay. Speaking of things, we don't
want our our lights to get turned off. So we're
gonna go ahead and pay these bills real quick. But
when we get back, we're gonna get into our yes ma'am's,
and our no man PAMs of the week will be back.

(49:47):
We are here with our yes ma'am and I know
man palms for this week, and so I'm gonna go
ahead and start because I feel like I have a
mouthful to say. I do want to say very quickly.
So I got the COVID shot yesterday, and I'm a
little one of the weather. So if you hear me
sounding little nasally, um, if you hear me kind of
taking breaths, or you hear me sounding a little heavy
on the mic, um, just know it's because I am

(50:10):
a little bit under the weather. With that being said,
my guest ma'am's for this week, I I definitely so
I don't know if you all know or no, um,
but I have done quite a few things with Twitter.
I am one of their paid contractors, and I've done
so many amazing things and I could not have done
a lot of the work that I've done over at Twitter,
if it wasn't for some of the individuals, specifically the

(50:32):
black women over there, who have lifted me up and
really have shouted out, oh, do you know John has
created a platform and always has something good to say.
So I wanted to shout out uh. Specifically, I wanted
to take a moment to not only shout out the
black women who make that hellish app enjoyable, but I
wanted to shout out, Bucky, Oh, I think it's Oh, Heyful,

(50:52):
I hope, I hope I didn't butcher your name book
in and I know that you listen to the show.
I want to say I love you, thank you for
giving me grace. But they have been promote did to
global director and while guide Us is leaving, which makes
me really sad because I'm actually, really really the friendship
that I've built with a lot of the folks over Twitter,
it started through Goddess. While they are leaving, I'm just

(51:14):
grateful for both of them, and honestly wanted to say
that I don't think I would be in a lot
of the rooms that I'm in if it wasn't for
them begging me up or offering me opportunities. So I
wanted to just shout out black women for holding that
hell Is chap down. Congratulations Bucky. I am so happy
to see where I cannot wait to see where you
take that app and overall, God Us, I cannot wait

(51:36):
to see where you go and what else you do
to leave another. Um, just basically to redefine history for
black women, for black fat films, for folks like myself
who genuinely don't get in rooms. Now here comes my
nomam's this week. Um, there's two specific things, so I
kind of I was there's one thing I'm gonna go

(51:56):
off about, but I also wanted to kind of posit
this thing in here this week, and it's it'll probably
be still relevant next week too. If many of you
don't know that Bros. Movie didn't do well at the
box office and opening, and there's been a lot of
conversation around the Bros. Movie, I just quickly want to say,
as somebody who does justice, education, equity, diversity inclusion work

(52:19):
kind of on the side, I think it speaks a
lot of volumes that white queer folks want black specifically
black queer people to support them, and there has been
a lot of stuff that has happened to us, and
we have heard nothing but crickets. So I just want
to say that on this platform specifically, that if you
want our support and if you want us to help you, UM,

(52:40):
I need you also to show up for us. That's
that's the first thought that I have. The other thought
that I have you know so so I know I
get a lot of heat I actually do. I have
a lot of people who jump into my inbox, a
lot of people who send me messages basically saying that
I talk a lot of shit about queer white people. Um,
and I want to make it queer. I don't have
a problem with queer white people. I really don't. In
the vein of whiteness. UM. I have a lot of

(53:03):
friends who are white. My husband is white. White people
are cool with me. However, I do want to say this.
I need them to come up with something new. I
need you to come up with something else. I need
you to try harder, because what you are giving is
not giving what I think you think it has given.
Case in point, Harry Styles. This is not a critique,

(53:24):
It's more of an observation. I see folks doing whatever
they can to recreate the will and people applaud it,
and it's given dust It's really given dusty and old
and and it's just dusty. And I just want folks
to be creative in the ways that they queer bait like,
I want folks to try harder when it comes to

(53:45):
leaning into their privilege, like a makeup line. Girl, Really,
at all the things you could do, you came up
with a makeup line. Okay, look right, um, and and
and another thing while we are here, I just want
to make sure y'all know that if I see Rachel
dose alls nudes on any of my timeline, I'm blocking you,

(54:08):
per I want to make sure that our listeners know
that I ain't the one or the two. If I
see her neked body on my timeline in any fashion,
I'm immediately blocking you, period. That's all I got. Joe
was not ready. I thought I was ready, and I

(54:29):
I was not better about the back. But I do
like to say listen like like, I am not the
three for that either, but I am the one for
the tweets about it, because people have been popped on
the up and just dragging her through the mud and
it has been mad funny. The one, the one person

(54:50):
was like, oh, they say, they're like all that pink
gas ariel and she had she's not here giving giving
you him land seesaw and y'alls out here thinking she
would give you Median queen. That was like, take me out.
So I'm doing okay, but do you send me the
drags because that'ship. Have you on everything? I'm gonna say, okay,

(55:15):
my my, mymam, I'm quick. It's really is just this
no conversation today has been amazing. Like I'm feeling so full,
I'm refunctive, like I don't mean I'm tonight, I'll be
dumping on purpose. I'm set some intentions for my frequency,
like I'm being lifted and gifted and never thrifted. This
has been such a gift and a treat. I mean, listen,
I don't know drifting. I love you a thrift moment.

(55:36):
But today I'm being designer because this is just everything.
So thank you, luck, thank you, so thank you both
so so much. My nom'am pam is I will I
will be okay. So a brief news flash is that
there was so in Vermont. There's this high school and
I'm it just happened today. I heard about some curiosif

(55:57):
y'all about too. But this is school in Vermont that
there is. There was a transident that was that was
changing in the locker room with the girls volleyball team,
and a long story short that goes the girls team
was banned from the locker room after making complaint of
the transpident changing the room with them. The team story
was that the student was making an uncompable environment with

(56:19):
their comments, and like that could be very that could
very well be true. Like that could be true, But
I'm suspect about them using the students assigned assigned birth
against them. That's the first thing. Then, Caitlyn Jenner, of
all people who I just don't understand, I just there's
I'm just like a girl. You should just do not

(56:39):
should be on anything. You should just just just say,
just say under the rock that you were in crawl
back to the role. And I cannot deal with her.
She jumps in by shipping the school for reacting this
way and complaints to stin gender with her assigned sex. Now,
like a lotta be really clear and saying harassment is serious,
and I fully support anyone that feels unsafe and being harassed.

(56:59):
I I think forth that however, bringing in someone's general
danty into it as a whole different layer, and I
like that. I did not like how your how the
students and Cavin is using this this students assigned being
assigned on the birth against them, like and it's it's
interesting because the mother mother other student that is being

(57:20):
complained against you came out and was like this whole
story except fab came the a c O. You will
see you in court. I will see you in court.
My daughter will see you in court. Like it's just
it should and it's sad because you know, and I
will say it was to the school the school was
doing a great job because their schools or another are
feeling horribly. The school was very clear and saying we
have a zero talent policy for this. We know it

(57:41):
is mandated, like is mandated's transference and will be allowed
to be in the room with everybody else. So if
you don't like it, kick rocks. They banned the girls
from the from locker room. I was like, that was bald.
They banned them to go off, but nomm to them girls.
No er Caitlin, I just girl, I just with herr
under something come up with something something else or just

(58:04):
just like stop. Like I just when she when she
first heard her a show like US sixteen, I was like, no, what,
I'm here for this show? And then I saw two
of us elves A said no, I'm not. No, I'm not. No,
I'm not. It's not it's to your point. It's not
getting what she think is getting. It's just so sad
to see her. Alien went around her like like like
literally like no one claims you, like, no one wants

(58:26):
you in their corner. You're not doing justice for anybody else.
You just need to shut up. I just yeah, that's
the thing. I'll say this real quick and then we'll
throw it to our guest. There have been so many
people that have tried to get Caitlin together and she
still doesn't listen like doubles, tripled, quadrupled like down everything Son,

(58:51):
I mean, Ashley, Blossom, all these black everyone, I've tried
to help her and she's still double stuff. I don't
get it. Interventions, they have girls, they have said him
and they have sent you a carrier pigeon, they have
Tommunicare and the together together from the everyone has on

(59:15):
her together and she's just as like no now now
I'm still here out like dump. It's giving privilege, it's
giving privilege, and I know what now, Oh gosh, I

(59:35):
can't stand her her. What's your what's your yes? Man's
and no man pans. This week, my yes, ma'am is
listen to let's Red Table That the Official Red Table
Family Podcast. Yes, Yes, I'm not here, yes, and I'm
I'm team Candy corn Man. I'm just gonna say it.

(59:55):
You know, I hate y'all talking negative boy my candy
online and I don't think I like it. So I
just want to just be out there for my people
talked about Team Candy Corns. How about she cut your home, Mike.
I'm so sorry we have at that. She dropped out somehow,

(01:00:19):
She's I gotta say, somebody's got to stand up for us.
It's just comes in. We are your fall favorite candy,
and we just get disrespected at every turn. I don't
like me. I don't like it. Um. And on top

(01:00:42):
of that, my no, ma'am is that Ian has brought
in winter for the East Coast. I don't know why
the storm did that, but it went from summer to
winter just that quick, and I'm upset about it. But
I have my candy corn to keep me company, so
you do not. On's not taking it anymore. So funny

(01:01:20):
I said, candy corn will not keep you warm, all right,
So my it's I'm gonna use the same topic for both. Okay, now, car,
I see you looked at me like, how can this
possibly be? Tracy T. I'm gonna tell you why. I'm
glad you asked. So I'm all the way here for

(01:01:41):
coming out day, all the way here for the acknowledgement
that people have to go through their own journey. They
have to be brave and bold and fearless, and they
have to speak their truth and live in it. I
am proud that we have had acknowledgement that we have
a day dedicated for people to come out. Okay, that's ludos,
two thumbs up. Balloons could fatty the whole nights, however

(01:02:04):
common No man, Pam is we shouldn't have to have
a damn day because we don't have a day where
it's it's straight day. We don't have We should not
have to have a default checkbox by our names when
we are born that we are straight until assumed otherwise.

(01:02:24):
So no man, Pam for that. Let's just let the
children identify who they are when they are children, and
you not put them in a box and then be
disappointed when they don't fit and you'll square peg in
their circles. Hello, I love that you say that. I
will say to you, I don't know if you all saw,
but talking about you know, sometimes I think the children

(01:02:46):
are gonna be okay. There was recently some students who
had walked out. I think that they were there were
some issues around um, I guess because of the whole
conversation don't say gay and the trans bills that are
being passed. I forget where it us y'all. Y'all can
come from me for not Yeah, then that might have
been what I saw. There was actual aerial video of

(01:03:07):
students walking out. I will say that I've been seeing
more and more youth standing up for trans, queer, you know,
non binary people, and it just it just makes me
feel like one. I wish I had that when I
was in school, because baby, the way I had to
fight my way through high school, it was one. But

(01:03:28):
I will say that it gives me a lot of hope.
I have a nephew who's getting ready to go into
first grade and a couple of you know, a couple
of months, and or I'll say he actually just turned
and things. For these five he'll be getting ready to
turn six, and so seeing him go into school, it
makes me feel a little bit more like regardless of
what my nephew identifies as or what my nephew does,

(01:03:49):
at least I know that we're seeing more and more
support for children, supporting spaces for adults, the babies, and
it looks I love it. Well. Y'all have really given
us so much to think about. Thank you all so
much for being on the show. Um, we definitely want

(01:04:11):
to say so, as we always do. As we're closing,
please send us your thoughts, feedback and email. I'm really
hoping that this conversation will give a lot of people
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(01:04:32):
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(01:04:53):
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Cara tell us where folks can find you. Cara, Well,
you can find me at Cara Pressley dot com, c
A R A p r E S s l e
y dot com. I'm on Instagram the Career Cheerleader, and

(01:05:15):
I'm on Twitter the one number one cheering for the
number for you, the letter You, And you can find
me Tracy t Row at Tracy t Row dot com.
My everything is Tracy t Row t r A c
Y t r o w E, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok
everything all Tracy t Row Fact. And before we go,

(01:05:38):
I just want to say thanks to everyone who's listened
to Let's Red Table, that who supported Tracy and now
on our journey, who's just been here to go along
the way and just give an extra conversation talking point
to the topics that really mad a man. We are
here healing and we're just trying to help you all
along the way, keep keeping it really real at our
virtual red table. So y'all have to come and be

(01:05:59):
our guests now on paper. We love that love yes
about yes? Yes? What about you? Joho? Where can folks
find you as usually as all as you can find

(01:06:20):
me at Jojo Dan's across all socials. Also, it's official,
she is a business. She is a brand dolling for
the LC was filed in a Peru bitch, So we're
here on now. She's gonna give you executive realness. You
want to collab talk to my business manager. You've got
a problem with me my business manager, bitch. J can
to me, I'm a business manager, so he's at moving
into as well. Besides that, you will find me rocking

(01:06:41):
a pumpkin head all on Megan the Stallion. How about you, Sean?
I love Marie. I'm over here looking at trying to
keep it together. Um you can find me well. So okay,
so I was gonna this is actually what I was
hyping into the show notes. So there is a new
spot next to my house, and I have to tell

(01:07:02):
you the story before I tell folks where they can
find me. There's this new Hawaiian spot by my house.
I was actually gonna go there and meet a friend.
They had something happens. I wasn't able to meet them,
but as I was waiting for them, the man was like, oh,
would you like something to eat? And I was like, oh, yeah, sure,
I bought a sticky butt and baby, when I tell
you that sticky bone was so good. I walked back
up to the counter and I said, how many of

(01:07:22):
those sticky buzzs do you have? Any? Like, oh, we
only make three for the day, and I was like,
give me those other two so you so you can
find me at this at this new local spot by
my house buying up all these but otherwise they need
to make four stones only makes three, Like who makes sense?

(01:07:45):
What kind of ratio? Wasn't even gotta make it? Because
I'll buy right now, crist You're gonna give you six
r if you don't go back there and make some more.
I'm gonna go back up there this weekend and buy
some more so I can have it with my coffee
on Sunday morning. But you can also find me also

(01:08:05):
show using the handle at Dr John Paul. You can
also visit my website at ww dot Dr John Paul
dot com. We want to thank our producers Jonathan Strickland
and Tarry Harrison, and our wonderful team over at iHeart Media.
Thank you everybody over at Will and Jada's Company. Thank
you for linking us. I'm so happy that we now
have this entire family of production and connections here, and

(01:08:27):
I'm just really happy that we've been able to make
this happen. We would also like to always shout out
our amazing, amazing and wonderful editor, Chris Rogers, because without him,
there would be no magic. With that being said, this
has been another show. Thank you for listening and remember
Black where people did it first. Bye Bye bye