Rewind: Laugh at My Pain (Featuring Amber Ruffin)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Film Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome to another
episode of the BLACKFETFIM podcast, where all the intersections of
identity are celebrated. Hi. I'm one of your hosts, John
also known as John Paul, and this week I want
to celebrate all the childless cat people out here in

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the world. Can I get hern amen? Amen out there?
They so can? I say this and then and then
we'll run. Someone said that we should refer to childless
single people or childless people as free range adults, and
I'm here for it. Free range. We are free range adults.

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And I said, you know what, that's what's up. I
like that people are coming up with verbiage for.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Us because because for long they've just been like just
single people, and like we deserve more than that. We
actually we are more than that. Like you call single,
we call ourselves free How girl?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, I wipe my lot, Yes, yes, rich, I wiped
my tears with my love time bag.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's what.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh god, it's so hot.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh it's so hot.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Childless it's so hard. I'm gonna go order door dash.
How are you, Joho fan?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
It is you're very demir still very mindful. Co host
Shortan or JOEO. Now gonna let y'all know that trademarking
someone else's work is nasty work, y'all and devilish John
did you hear so? Julesbron okays, you know, so, folks
who don't know Julebron, the girl who did who did
the very mindful braids a mirror you trademarking mir which

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which is challenging. Its my trademarking words is not easy
in the first place, but people have already begun following
the trademark already. Yeah, and so she's she's like number
four or five in line for consideration. That's ridiculous for
folks who are doing that. You are track, Like part
of me is like, yes, is it genius to know

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this will be something right?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
But also you but like it's not help the person.
Help the person.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
There's one person allegedly, allegedly they had trademarked it to
protect her. The trademarked it, and that's that they will
transfer to her when she wants a trademarket.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'm like, that's a lie. And for whatever way that
they can to get money out of them. What I
will say is this too, so I do what I
What I have heard as of this week is that
they did find a legal team that is helping them
get to the top of that list for the trademark.
So there is some I'm hoping and praying that there's
some good that comes out of it, and even if not,

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still at the end of the day, we know who
they are and we know what she's doing.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So you know, I hate the law, but I love
a legal team. It's it's a bad bitch move. Okay,
that's a bad bage there.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, speaking of bad bitches, we have an amazing bead
bitch with us this week. And I can say that
because I am their favorite baby and they are mine.
This week we have one of So when I tell
you that I'm doing everything that I cannot to fan
girl because I am, I've been the hugest and I
continue to be the hugest fan of this person. They

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are a community. When I say so, I'll say this
before I go into their true intro. We have a
whole list of dream people and their name has been
on this dream list and I keep moving I kept
moving it up. But like, can we reach out to them,
can we reach out to them? And when they finally
said yes to being on the show, like my heart
fluttered because I was like, oh my god, one of

(03:45):
my dream guests are on this show. Not to say
no one else is a dream guest, because everybody who's
been on the show obviously.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You want this person for over a year, like you
literally a dream person. When when they said yes, you
popped off from the group chat. You say, y'all, I
I've made it.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I've made it. I have made it. They are. They
are comedian writer host of the Amber Ruffin Show on Peacock. Okay, okay,
you got to say, you got to say the name,
and just one of the sweetest people I have ever met.
I will say when I met them back in February,
it was like I literally had met a long lost friend.

(04:22):
I literally just can't Amber Ruffin, thank you so much
for being here today. I'll just you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm your problem.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yes, come down, couple down. How are you baby?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I'm doing pretty cute. Yes, everything's pretty fun over here.
I gotta admit, Yes, I'm having a fun little time,
a funny little time cute over here.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yes about it?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yes, yes, yes, Well We're happy to have you. We
are going to kick off our show in our first
segment like we always do every week for those who
are new here, we always give Miss Tisha Campbell her
flowers and are still here opening segment. And with that
being with that being said, we wanted to take a

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moment to level set and give a little gigly before
we begin the show. So this week, I'd love to
ask y'all how is humor helping you survive the current
political climate? And I say that as somebody who just
came from a city council meeting for work. I had
to go to a city council meeting today where they

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were voting on a flag ban. And how frustrating that
meeting was because there were six white men up there
talking about we respect inclusion and diversity, but we're not
going to vote to allow people to fly fly LGBTQ
and the yeah, yeah, yeah, Amber, I see your face.
That's exactly what I was doing the entire time. You

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know how you look at the imaginary camera when something
people certain people talk and you just do that like
I know you lying. That's literally what the whole meeting
was for me today. And so all that to be said,
one thing you can learn about me is I love
to laugh. Comedy is truly one of the things that
really truly gets me through. I will say that I

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outside of listening or watching shows like Amber Show and
following people like them, I listened to another podcast called
I've Had It and then another podcast called The friend
Zone where the literally all they do is laugh. I
also listen to your podcast too, Amber. I love you
and your sister. I think you are too cutest and
just most adorable people, and so I just think laughing

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is just in general listening to podcasts and laughing along,
like I truly know people, That's really what has been
holding me. But yeah, what has been holding you?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Sis?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Where are you that that happened at your city council meeting?

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I live in Riverside, California. Well so I live in
Chino Hills, but it is Riverside County that happened. But
also I'm shocked but not surprised because I live in
a pocket of southern California that is extremely covertly racist.

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It's where the Prop eight started back in two thousand
and eight. It is where it's, like you said, I'm
surprised but I'm not, you know what I mean. It's
one of those things you're like, Wow, this sucks, but
at the same time you're like, of course this would
happen here. Huntington Beach did the same thing a couple
of months ago. We see stuff like this in San
Diego County. San Bernardino County refuses to acknowledge. I live

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in the city where the trans band started. I don't
know if you heard about it, but the outing policy
that happened a couple of months ago that were happening
across the schools, if you've heard about it, where they
were trying to out youth. I live in the city
where it actually started.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
A couple of to go a friend of our family,
their daughter got out at school.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
And we had to just show out because.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
We did everything we can freaking do. We're insane people.
And I was like, I did I never. I have
never throw my red weight around. I know I don't
have any, but I was like, oh, do you.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Know who I am? Let me let me get my
phone work with.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Hello, four hundred thousand followers, you.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Gotta call they Let me get my team, Okay, my
legal team.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I went on TV the next day get interviewed for
something on the Today Show and we're a pin that
said protect trans children.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I was like, you watched my ass on TV?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
And then I was like, are they going to ask
me about this pint?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I hope they.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Open the last name of the school?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Wow? Wow, what are you doing to keep your joy up?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Mmmm? You mean the opposite of what I just said.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
No, I do goof around.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Quite a bit. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Actually, like I can't. I cannot keep it together. Real silly, real, sloppy,
real goofy. It's pretty severe, I would say, because now
I'm on a show called Have I Got News for You?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
On seeing it? And all we do is goof around. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
So it's really hard not to think of all of
the horrible news through the lens of jokes.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
And I tell you what, like, can you imagine the
world without jokes? And they said they're eating the dogs,
they're eating the cats. What if just jokes didn't exist
and you had to just breathe that in and then
live in the land where it was born lose it?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I feel like that specifically, like you can take time
and look at it and fully understand how disgusting it
is and how it will surely trickle all the way
down to us. But with that comedy in there, I
was like, Oh, thank goodness, we're all you know. It
feels like, okay, we're all in the same boat. We

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all feel bad and we all are professional freaking comedians.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, yeah, you've got that was so hilarious.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
The one thing about black people is we gonna laugh
no matter, no matter what happens, we are going to laugh.
And I love that for us. But yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Mean, truly, some of the funniest stuff And how is
that always the way, like, the worst the thing is
the funnier it is, the longer Twitter will have you
in a choke called scrolling through. Some call me Haitian
the way I eat her care and.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's off my mind. I have not seen that, But
that is funny. That is funny, That's hilarious. Yes, and
shout out to my Haitian shout out to the Haitian listeners.
We love y'all and we know that y'all are going
through it and we see you and we definitely respect
just I've been saying it for every Haitian person. I
know that I love that listens to the show we

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see you, so we just definitely want to say that
what about you? What about you?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
And I'll just say, like, shit's just funny. It's shit's
so bad that it's funny. Like I won't believe that
a good sense of humor, and because I do use
humor a lot to get through a lot of network
experiences and sadness. And at first I have ron the
show for like I honestly don't know if like if
I personally feel humorous right now, like I feel sometimes

(11:51):
held in too much sadness to find humor. But then
also they recognize like maybe I'll just I just make
the bad humor. Its like I think I'm very much
in this face. Uh well, I'm with somebody and someone's
like how are you? And I'm like, you know, I'm
doing great. The world's is ship, but I'm doing great.
The world's wrong the part, and like and we we
sit here in that like like like uncomfortable laugh like

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we both know that ship is rough, and but like
we're okay, so like like we're like we're so close
to crying, but also like shit is so bad it's funny.
Like when like when he said rrying dogs and the cats.
I was like, I can't help I can't help but
laugh at this because like who says that? Like it's

(12:38):
like like I think like some people like like for example,
like like like like my mom's somebody who hones in
on what he said is like he's so dumb, he said,
like who says that? And I like and I'm like, yes,
like who's like who is like takes this debate? And
it's like, no, what let me counter? Let my counter
be rying cats and dogs? Like that's why it's funny

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to me. I'm like, it's not funny what he said.
It's funny because of the reason why he was how
did you get there? How did you get here? How
did you get here? Where along the path were you? Like,
let me the fuck about about myself and my pathers
and talk about cast and dogs. This will for sure
get the like like and I mean it, but it's
like it's so it's so bad, it's it's hilarious. And

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I and though and I have to give it to
uh give it to those moderators. I have to give
it to them because I know, I know they were sick.
I know they were stick of that man, I know
they're staying, Like, Lord, when what.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
If the moderators correct you on something that you said
during the way the way she came with the factions
like well actually, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Like single state has had this happened. Yeah, actually with
the quickness he I was like, and it is like
it's so funny because he is right over his head head.
I was like, you don't understand. She just she just
ate you up and you're like cats and dogs, bro
what No, Like, it's just it's so so busy, it's

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so funny. It's so much it's funny. So I'll just
say I think humor has to survive because like we
won't save without it. The world is the world is horrible,
or just getto I want to leave, Like that's I
that Lily is how I feel every day. And also
like but I can't help a laugh because this ship
is just silly, Like it's so silly. It's it's it's

(14:35):
it's it's a it's serious, so unseerious and like you know,
I've been.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Put all day today and all the tech like all
my work text groups, I've been posting that meme of
have you seen the meme? Ember? And Jojo of Janet
Jackson holding her stuff. There's a there's this meme of
her holding like her like it's a folded jacket and
like a book, and she looks ready to go. It's like,
if I send this to you, I'm ready to get

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up out of here. That is literally how I've been
feeling about just earth, Like, please, somebody sends something so
I can get up out of here. But with that
being said, one of the most awful things that we
have to do is pay bills around here. So we're
gonna laugh our way through paying through paying all of
the bills that we have to pay, and we're gonna
take a break, and when we come back, we're gonna
have more with the amazing Amber Ruffin Chris Kue the News.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
What's good, y'all? So this week for the category is
segment we could not have Amber on the show and
not talk about comedy as a vehicle for social change
and how Amber has used their platform to all that
social issues, specifically really tough ones and use comedy as
a way to now get the complexities of and your
sectional challenges. So kick us off today, amber' when I
ask first, before we even begin, what motivated you to

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get into comedy? What was like, I'm gonna do comedy.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Nothing motivated me to get into I did it because
it was a paycheck and I love eating and paying rent.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Period. I love we love a paychack.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I feel like when I lived in Omaha, I did
theater a little bit, and then I would go visit Chicago.
Then when I visited Chicago, one of the owners of
a theater was like, if you move here, you will
have a full time job doing theater in no time.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Because she was right, and I did, and I.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Have yes, and I had a real theater job this
whole well not theater and now it's TV, but like
entertainment job this whole time, which has been pretty unbelievable.
But she was right, Thank goodness. I listened to that, lady.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, because you're from Nebraska, right, Yeah, Okay, I knew that,
But I was gonna ask, like, what made you what
made you go there? Like what made you say I'm
gonna go ahead and leave Nebraska? Nebraska made me do that?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, you been Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I've never been to Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
She want to leave all the time.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, so you Nebraska is my sister and I wrote
a book called You'll Never Believe What Happened to Lacey?
Crazy Stories about Racism, about all of the racist stories
Lacey has from Omaha. And I mean it's so many,
it is so funny, and it's so it's a billion
there's a billion stories. But like you know, when I left,

(17:29):
that was like twenty some years ago, I mean ten.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Right, right, what was a million years ago?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
So it was probably like a bit a lot worse
than it is now. I feel like Oha is on
it's coming up because there's a lot of ways there
who like I have a lot of friends who work
for nonprofits, a lot of freaking social justice friends who

(17:58):
are like, you know, oh TikTok famous And I'm like, yeah,
this girl from Omaha, Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
So it's like it's very it's a very like there's
room for you if you want to grow as there.
And the shock of the century is a lot of
people in Omaha are like, I don't know enough. Let
me learn about everyone else. It's like wow, wow, neither
would I because it really stepped up. Yeah, We've had

(18:28):
some friends to the show actually are from there. So
Dominique Morgan is from Omaha, yes, and then we also
have doctor James Simmons who is also from Omaha, Nebraska,
and so uh two really good friends and really close
judies for not only just to the show, but to
me personally too. So I've heard a lot of a
lot of things, but I did want to ask you

(18:49):
while we have you as really thinking about to this
idea of comedy being rooted in political commentary. And I
know that you do this a lot, which, like I said,
which makes me love your show cause it's like, and
I've been saying this a lot, I never thought of
myself as a political girlie until like the last maybe
six months, I've been really getting into politics and really

(19:10):
thinking about how you marry humor with politics, And so
I want to know, like, what have you learned in
being able to marry the two. I have learned that
it is like it you know at late night seth
it was necessary and you had to have a a

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take on the things that have happened that day. But
like once that muscle is strong in your brain and
that's just how you ingest and then discuss the news,
it clears up a lot of dirt. Like it really,

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it is like a filter.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
That water goes through.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, you know, because when it comes in, you're trying
to figure out the joke of it, and when you
talk about it, you're talking about it in the joke
of it. You really, in order to do that, Yeah,
you have to process it. And I think that that's
really helped us. And you know, I like, I think
a lot of comedians have to be like, oh, I'm
so messed up, blah blah, my feelings blah. But I

(20:22):
do think we are some of the most emotionally healthy
people because we talk about it.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah. Well, I mean, and that's I was gonna say too.
I think to an extent, you really have to feel
it in order to have the emotional response of comedy, right,
So you have to be in it. And so that's
why I think, even for me, and we've talked about
this on the show, how a lot of people are.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Like ha ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
You're queer and you're lacking, You're so funny, and it's like, well, bitch,
I live a very fucked up life. Like there's a
lot of fucked up shit that happens to be over here,
and all you can do is crack jokes around it.
And so like we said at the top, like it's
really I mean, if you're not, I mean me and
Jojo even before we get on the mic, sometimes we're
cracking jokes about the really awful thing we have to

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talk about. And I think that that's something that I
feel a lot of comedians have to do, Like they
have to learn how to feel the emotions around what
they're feeling in order to be able to omit the comedy.
So yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's also really interesting because I feel like I love
comedy and I love watching a lot of folks in comedy,
and I feel like many folks struggle with the marriage
of like comedy and justice. And I think and it's
it's interesting because to me, a lot of comedy is
born out of is born out of like poking fun

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at social things, and like it is born out it
is born out of like making like something that's born
out of making a statement. And I think a lot
of people miss that. And they're people who are like, like, like,
you know, someone's funny and good when they can take
something and make it hilarious and also acessible for all people. Right,

(22:01):
there are some comedians that are not, like, are not
funny and like and they from I was like, oh,
like you must have a guess of a human you
mean you're you're mean or you're saying that it is.
Actually I'm not problematic. Yes. One thing I'm interested I'm
always interested in is how comedians keep the funny funny
while also like like you know, like like like keeping

(22:23):
the keeping the job is good and a climate where
everything feels so bleekd So like, how do you keep
the funny funny, especially in the moment where you may
want to be like, girlf this ship.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
I think this ship is funny. I do think a
big kety comedy is just telling the truth about what
happened to you. And I think like when you're a
funny person and you talk about what happened like the
other day, like I feel like Roy Wood Junior can
be like, so I was walking my dog and I

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saw another dog and I thought, what a cute little
dog that is. Then I was like, let me just
pay attention to my dog and go home. That's just
those are the facts of the story and to hear and.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
That was the story.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
But if he could just talk about absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
And you're in tears, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
It's not because what happened to him is funny. It's
just because he is the filter through what you hear it,
and he is willing to be so honest. Yeah, Like
there you can find it where there are jokes and
how hurt your feelings are and how terrible politics are, Like,

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there's jokes in there. There's jokes everywhere, as long as
you're willing to like be very honest, which you know.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You can't always be, but you know you're speaking to something.
I've always said. I've had people tell me John, you
should do comedy, and I'm like, no, But what I
have learned and being what I believe is someone who
is funny, is I've learned that there's a fine line
between being funny ha ha and being mean. And I

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think that there are some people who don't know how
to draw They don't know how to draw the line.
And I like with Roy. What I love about Roy
is he's just himself. And I think that that's what
makes this when you know Roy like and again, I
don't know him personally, but I know his comedy and
I know by listening to him that I understand why

(24:29):
it's like I'm this black man walking a dog. I
see this other dog and being a black man walking
a dog. Let me just mind my business and go home.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Like so, it's just I wish I remember that the
stray Us, but it was so not unlike that.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, it's so, It's just it's very much in my mind.
I don't know. I just I think you gotta really
know you got you also got to know your clientele too,
but I know it.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
And also saying I think like I is difference between
like folks who are situationally funny and like and then
like I'm like like on somebody, I feel like one
of people who are situationally funny and we know how
to tell a good story and make it funny. But
it's different than saying like come up with material to
make it. Don't make a joke. If also a comedian,
it would just be stories about my life because that ship,

(25:14):
that ship's funny and it's funny to me because I'm like,
this ship is just you can't make this shit up,
so it's funny and like how you delivered, how you
deliver it is funny. But like what because I people
are like, oh, you should do stand up, I'm like no, no, no, girl,
Like I'm only funny in the moment. Don't have to
do that because don't ask me to recreate it because
I I can't. I can't do the magic again. The
magic is in the moment with me. Yes, it's funny

(25:35):
in that moment. And so I just I see you
on I see you my sister see yes.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So one of the one of the other things I
did want to ask while we while You're hair is
really thinking about that. There might be a lot of
folks who probably kind of I want I'm just call
it what it is, they hate watch your show and
are not happy about how you speak truth to power.
And I was wondering, like, what are some of the
things that you do or have you learned and taking
care of your gift as you offer it up to

(26:02):
the world for us to have a giggle.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I really.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Am very lucky.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Like when I had the show, when I had Amber
Ruffin's show, it was like a lot of.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
It.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, when I had the Amber Refferd show, it was
old by the time I had it, like I'd made
so many appearances on late night seth you know what
I mean, Like it wasn't I was in my eighth
ninth year, seventh eighth something year of being on a
late night show. So I wasn't like scrolling through things
and trying to find the you know that gross thing

(26:46):
you sometimes do when you scroll until you find someone
saying something bad about you, Yeah, that you put it
out like I had done all that years ago.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
So I was like, let me just this is how
I ingested what I did.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I would go to whatever video I thought was the
most dicey this was for a reference show, and then
I would go to the bottom, scroll all the way
to the bottom because those are the mean comments. I
would because read as many mean comments as I could,
go right back to the top, and then read a
bunch of good ones. And then I feel like, all right,

(27:25):
you do need to see like why why does she
have such bad posture? You know, and like this is great,
like you could have you could have both ye duality,
But I do like I don't think it's good to

(27:46):
just read the good ones, like I'd rather read none.
Like if I'm not gonna if I don't have the
stomach to read the bad ones, that I don't read
the good ones because I'm not trying to.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I'm trying to get better, you know, because I can
always call if I want compliments.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I can call my mommy, and so can you if
you call her and she'll be like, my child, come here,
are you hungry? You're so cute. That's why you're hungry.
You're working up an appetite, making everybody happy when they
see you.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, I feel it.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
All this so compliments from mama.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
That's so cute and sweet. And your your your energy,
your energy is so lovely and loving, very very very
very lovely.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
You want to know where that is?

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Well, yeah, I do tell me why because I ain't
got no kids, Because yeah, years you're gonna be this.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Probably twenty you're gonna be just like this. That's right.
I live for it.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I often and like I want kids, and then I'm like,
but the people who don't do it, I really feel
like I would find joy. But like I feel like
i'd be one of those parents who like is absolutely
independent other kids. I'd be like, you are twelve years old,

(29:17):
I'm gonna leave you at home. Here's you. I'm leaving
you got this, you know if you if you got this,
you got this. If you don't call Grandma or something like,
I'm so sorry if you're eighteen, baby, you're at the house.
I'm not I'm not waiting for you, Like, I don't
know what you want from me. My job is make

(29:38):
sure as my as my dad said, your head and
make sure you don't die. Girl. I've done my job.
You go like you got to go.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Here.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Here's so many tomatoes in the male people.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
You know, because I'm saying what everyone else is thinking.
Everyone else is like, no, this is the idea.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
That they Okay, if you have friends that have kids,
that are your real good friends, they'll tell you, oh no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
One of my friends is like, oh you got a bullet. Yeah,
I had.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
That happened this week.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
So I had I went to Disneyland this Sunday. And
there's two stories because we have a pass and so
two of the story they're connected. I So I had
saw a family getting on the bus and they had
this like very nifty stroller. It like broke down. It
was really cool, and so I told the dad. I
was like, wow, that's a really nifty stroller. He was

(30:31):
like yeah, and he was explaining it to me like
he was trying to like sell it to me, and
I very kindly looked at him and I was like,
I have no plans to ever get kids, but thank
you for breaking it down to me. And so then
as we were walking into the park, my husband looks
at me and he goes, Babe, why would you say
that to him? Like that was low key rude, and
I was like, I don't think it's rude. I was
just saying, you don't have to tell me everything about
this stroller. I just said, it's nifty. I'm telling you

(30:54):
I have no plans to have children, so thank you
for telling me. But it's gonna go nowhere. And so
then a lady turns and she looks at me and
she goes, don't have kids, don't have kids, like, and
her husband is pushing the stroller next to her. He
is literally looking at this woman as she's drinking her frappuccino,

(31:16):
inserting herself in our conversation, and she is so serious.
She's going, don't do it, don't do it, don't have kids.
And I'm going, while this lady is really serious about like,
I don't know if it was a mistake to her
or what, but yes, people, people, people are becoming more
a brazy to tell you.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
There are parents who both very much hold the like
I love my kids with more than life itself and
don't have kids, Like it's very real, and I two
these be true ones and I love those people. That's
how I feel. I'll be I'll be like, I will
kill for this child and don't have kids. Girl, don't
like will I will kill this child? I don't have
kids girl. But anyway, so well, so the question I

(31:56):
you know, the last question I want to ask you Amber,
it'smitted to defend than than what was then what I
put it in the shuffle. So sorry if you prepare
something different, because I was like, no, I'm just really
curious about this that I know you came out, you
came out this year officially came out of this year
like in a public way, and I it looks like
you've had a lot of amazing a lot of making support,

(32:16):
and I hope, I hope that's been true, that people
have just like just been like loving you. And I'm
curious to ask, like, and I'm working on this question
like in like in real time, so it's a bit
of like a like a rough track question, but I'm
curious of like how might have like being public in
this new way, how might it shift, or has it

(32:39):
shifted the way you might do your work now or
maybe maybe like like, how are you growing along? How
are you growing alongside your work?

Speaker 3 (32:49):
That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, I don't really.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I haven't really found out. I haven't been out for
very long. And I also have I work very closely
with Jenny Hagel and we do a bit on lighte
E was Seth Myers called jokes Seth can't tell where
I tell jokes about being black and Jenny told jokes
about being a lesbian. So I'm like, well, first of all,
I've been writing lesbian jokes for eight years and I

(33:18):
am just now figuring this out.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Oh I should have known. I'm like, hmmm, a.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Super route is a reliable vehicle. Yes, yes, anyway, but
it I don't know yet. I feel like I'm working
on a couple of things that explore it.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
But we'll see.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
You know, I only came out because I thought, well,
you because not coming out felt like a lie, you know, like,
you know how this is a crazy analogy and I'm
so so to say it. You know how back in
the day black people, some black people could pass and

(34:08):
they just did and there was.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
They couldn't help it. They're they're just living.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
I didn't want that, you know what I mean, I
don't want to do that, so like if coming out
is the way we can avoid that, Like it did
feel gross to me, like.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
To not say, hey, I'm likely super gay. Let's just
see how there's some phones.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, but you know.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So then after I came out, I was like, oh,
now this feels very normal and very good and also
like a right spent a billion years being like, if
you're homophobic, you can't eat ship, I'll punch you in
the face now on right, right, right right, So there
was no there was never going to be anyone in

(35:06):
any of my circles gave a toot so because they
yeah mm hmm, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I love that so so so much. Amber, thank you
think you think you? Thank you? I said, you're just
you're just such a bright light. And I and I
I appreciate you naming that too. I'm really happy that
folks ever seed you in such loving ways and loving arms,
and I hope that they continue to do so because
you are such an incredible person.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
On that note, ya, we got to say real quick
hold on before we take a break, and I'll say,
if you don't love my baby Amber, I'm gonna punch
you in the face. I will find you and punch
you in the face. Yes, sorry, go up for Amber,
but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Clock okay, not a soaken clock, so not alock. So okay, y'all,
Well we go to take a break to push the
gauge into a little bit more people have more fun
with amboorg and and more and.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Here all right, and we are black, so we wanted
to keep things more silly and fun. Obviously we you know,
obviously category is that's where we don't get into the

(36:32):
meat of the stuff. But we here in this segment,
this is where we get foolish. And so far, what's
on our What's on your Plate segment this week? Okay,
So I wanted to start off by saying that I
have noticed that there has been a lot of foods
lander on my timeline. And it's not just Twitter. I

(36:53):
see it on threads and I also see it on
the instagrams where I see people posting pictures of foods lander,
and so I wanted to ask y'all for this week,
what food slander are you tired of seeing here? And
what I'm talking about, is we know everybody hates candy corn.
I know we've talked about it multitudes of times on
this show. I already know people to have a whole

(37:13):
bunch of Jojo Ruth.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Is this inspired by No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It's inspired by a post that I saw of a
person going off about caesar salad and talking about talking
about her disdain for caesar salad. And I don't know
where the post is. I just saw it in passing,
but I was like, like, what did the season?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I think she was like.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
She basically was like someone had said, you have the
whole thing is like, I know such and such hates
to see me coming, and so someone had said, I
know a caesar salad hates to see me coming. And
she was basically saying, well, caesar salad needs to go
be put in the trash. And the same thing happened
for Raising Kine. Like people were just going on this
long thread about all the food slander and I'm like, wait,
all of this stuff is really good and what are

(37:59):
people talking about? So I wanted to ask us this
week what food slander are we tired of people talking about?
And for me, I'm gonna go further and say it's
not just candy corn that I'm tired of getting a
bad rap. But I'm tired of people black people. I'm
tired of y'all talking about pumpkin and y'all trying to
make me feel bad for liking pumpkin. I enjoyed pumpkin spice.
I like to be basic and skip throughout the meadows

(38:22):
and drink pumpkin spice. Things is tasty, and some of
them got the pumpkin chies, and the pumpkin chies is nice.
It's really nice. And I'm just tired of y'all throwing
darts at me for that. And the same thing. I
have a friend who works in production, and every time
that he does, or he goes to Kraft, he goes
to Crafty, He'll send me a picture of a pizza

(38:44):
with pineapple on it and he'll say, this is your fault.
I'm like, I didn't even do anything, PJ. That's rude.
So yes, I'm just really tired of pineapple getting a
bad rap on pizza, and I'm really tired of y'all
and for pumpkin spice. But she didn't even do anything
to us. Amber what what?

Speaker 3 (39:04):
What?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Food slander are you tired of?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
First of all, I am not a hater in any
way except this way. I'll talk trash about everything I
have ever seen anyone eat.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
It's my favorite thing to do because ultimately it couldn't
matter less because you know people's taste buzzard.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
But at the same time, if you like caesar salad,
you a dang food? Are you not a Caesar salad?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
I love to be ten toes down for something that
couldn't matter less.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
This is where I shine Caesar salad. The dressing is just.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Fish put in a blender. Disgusting the thought it's just
fish put in a blending.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yes, that's all they're That's that's.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Gross and human beings shouldn't have to eat that. I
don't care who finds.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Out I said this.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I don't care if Julius Caesar comes back to life,
I stab him in the back again because his salad
is crassy. Having said that, that wasn't really what we
were talking about. But that lady is right, and I
will fight for her.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I will fight for her.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I will.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
I also think raising canes is not great, and now
will I eat it?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Right? If you bring it I'm gonna eat it, right,
but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pass up a
Zaxby's for raising caine. I don't know what Zaxby's is,
but so so if you you know, so you know,
I travel for work and stuff. And when you go
out into like North Carolina's and you start getting into
like the southern parts of the country, Zaxby's is like,

(40:56):
it's like Zaxby's and raising canes. They're like cousins there.
They have the same menu and they have the same idea.
They're just different there. The taste and the ingredients are different.
But Zaxby's is better than raising tear. Then zaxby has taste. Yeah, yes,
chicken is not wet. I find that raising canes chicken
is always what it's like. I have a lot of

(41:18):
problems with every food everyone eats. It's it's moist. Often
the chicken tenders are moist.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
So much like is anyone not wrong to be? Do
you want? Do you want? Do you prefer a drunk?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's like, yeah, the juiciness done crept to the outside.
I was expecting krispy. It's now soggy, and that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Is a problem. It's moist. It's moist chicken tinders.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Now, having talk trash about every food I've ever heard,
I love Taco Bell and would eat there every day
till I did, and it would be it would be
pretty quick, because a Taco Bell every day.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, Taco Hill busy.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Is there a svendor that you have experienced so yourself? Yes,
knowing not when you've committed, but that you've experienced.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Every time someone says something bad about the cheesecake Factory,
I plot their death and then and then I pray
to Saint vanilla beans are down.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
See me?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I feel so seen in this moment.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
How dare you act like?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Ches tasty?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
It tastes fantastic?

Speaker 3 (42:37):
And if you don't like what you just ate, try
one of the other eight hundred things already eat in
a mug.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, you love it.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
You just didn't eat the right thing.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yet you stay for me, or to go to somewhere else.
There's multitudes of other places you can go. Go to
Raisin Pains.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
You hate flavors so much, go there and eat some
wet chickens.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Lutely.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I feel like Cheesy Factory is like the I'm that
Girl by Beyonce of restaurants, like they hate me because they.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Want, because they want. You're mad that you have no
cheesecake after your meal, and that's why you're upsets.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
It's just mad. That's just mad. So okay, just talk
about Taco Bell because I hate when people come from
Taco Bell like people come to talk about and I'm like,
I'm sorry about all you burger bitches have nothing to
say about my bean Bruto, my potential but supreme sister,
Like y'all talking mess with Taco Bell like it's subpart.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
It is a lie.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Y'all have not lived moss and it fucking okay, fucking
shows you have no no you little twisted ass gross ass,
little burger bum people, little little nasty mid chicken ass
hose could never could never wrap herself in a mission

(43:58):
tortilla does y'all hate in for no reason? Also, pumpkin spice,
pump pumpkin spice. I'm trying to think of like some
like a literation, but like like pumpkin spice haters, whatever
y'all eat glass, No way, Pumpkin spice is amazing. There's

(44:25):
not besique if you I just bought last night a
jar of my fame my favorite and famous pumpkin butter
from trade es this ship. You are wrong, You are not.
You don't like you don't like fall. That what else
represents a season? You might as well say you hate fall.
And that's how you know. No one hates fall. It
is frolicking season, it is cuffing season. Everyone loves fall.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Do not even can I ask? Do we feel the
same way about apple crisp because apple crisp is also
a fall thing, right the cereal?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
You are not wrong, like they're wrong because I think
the apple so. But apples are year round, like apples
are your round, and it's apple season in the fall.
But in apple crisp is a fall thing. Apples not
the same. They're not the same way that that that
pumpkin is apple crisp. I'm so sorry. I said that

(45:19):
apple crisp is the to the Swift and pumpkin is
the Beyonce.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
That's how I feel, Okay, that's why, Okay, okay, I
rock with it. I get it.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I'm with the rules. I just talk about them. And
that's how it is. Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm
sorry to those people, but I don't make the hates
to see me, Kevin Apple, Chris love to see me
coming because I'm like, whatever, girl, it's in front of me,
I'll have it a crumble. I love a crumble as
well too. It's just it's just pumpkin iss and pumpkin

(45:49):
is only seasonal, Like you, why do you hate a season?
It's just nasty. My last thing. It's people who commit
to hitting ranch. Yea such grass like the address that is,
I'm saying, like more Ranch on everything up. Ranch.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I have a friend who won't do anything white. She
won't do ranch, she won't do mayo, she doesn't do
sour cream.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
She just won't.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
She's like, absolutely not. I refuse to do it.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Whe People like she just.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I think tea. I think okay, from what I understand,
and I won't name them because I know they listen
to the show. I from what I remember, and they
may want to correct me. I think they when they
were younger, they had something. It was an egg. They
said they ate an egg when they were a kid,

(46:43):
and it scorned the like the white of the egg.
They said it wasn't done well and it just it
ruined them. They said, so anything with like a white texture,
they said, they can't do it.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Uh, this is somebody to say because I'm a real
I'm a pretty empathetic person in my life, like the
listeners know, I am John's voices. I am, but I
don't have empathy for people who have the most, like
the most like wild like like distaste of things like
there are people I love in my life who I
love so much hate but they get mad if their

(47:18):
food touches And I'm like, I I'm sorry, but I
just I don't have There's there's no but in my
body that's like, oh I feel I feel you exactly.
I know my body says. My mom's like you crazy,
like sorry, you wildie, you wild bich what you thinks

(47:39):
you can't touch my sister. My sister so much. I'm
so sorry. She hears this. She hates onions. If that
girl seasoned onion anywhere near her ship, she will not
eat it.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
And I'm like, girl, I'm a more onions.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Girl, are onions raw onions? Onions?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Lady, subway, baby, you got to put you know, they're
so demure about putting the onions on your sandwich. And
I said, baby, that's not enough.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I want onion breath. Yes, I mean kind of like
onions to be on my hands when I'm repel vampires, bitch, okay,
like people, but I'm like, you won't eat said what? Girl?
I just I don't understand and I have and I
also I I I commit to shitting people for serving
people for their food choices. I it's fun and funny

(48:26):
because also has no effect on my life whatever. But
I also am like but but I'm also like, yeah,
she stays on my head, like listen because almost ten
years of friendship and you still ain't let me makes sense.
I can't make sense and.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
And and and it never will it it ever will.
I'm just but it's all love. I know it's love
and I and I love that for us. But we
have being said we are gonna take a bread let me,
I got you doing this all right anyway that we're
gonna take a break to live Moss and when we

(49:03):
come back, we are going to come back with our
favorite segment. Yes, ma'am and no Manpam. More than is that. Hey, everyone,
it's your highly melanated bff. John also known as Doctor
John Paul.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
And Jordan also known as sho Ho. I'm the one
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Speaker 1 (49:24):
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Speaker 1 (49:56):
Oh, I know that's right, all right, y'all. So this
week we are going to start off our yes ma'am
and our No Man Pam by really just talking about
all things politics pretty much any everything that's coming up
right now in our guest ma'am's and our no manpams
is politics. And again we have Amber here with us,

(50:18):
and so why not this week I wanted to say
shout out to so my guest ma'am. I'll say that
my yes ma'am this week is Kamala. Kamala. This is
her first time having the best polls that she has
had since she's announced that she is going to be president, right,
and so I just that for me is a I

(50:39):
also want to say too, in regards to Kamala is
a friend of mine who I follow on Facebook set
that they live in a very very very red state
and they said even in twenty twenty, they saw a
lot of Trump signs in their front yard of the
housing development where they live. They said they went outside
last week and they said they were taking in a

(51:00):
back because they said, I've never seen so many Kamala
like Democrat signs. They said, there are so many Democrat
signs in this area. He basically said, he was like,
I feel like I live in the wrong place because
I'm seeing uh, you know, Harris Walls flags, I'm seeing signage.
He's like, He's like, people are people are canvassing. He

(51:22):
was like it really, he says, it just feels like
a very new energy around And so I'm so I
say this, I'm hopeful. I'm very hopeful that what we're
hearing and what we're seeing in in the next forty
some odd days is really going to translate to us
having the first black woman president. And I pray that

(51:43):
also with all of the other stuff, and I'm I'm
not going to go too deep into that because I
truly don't how do I say this event. Nicole Brown
said it better than I could have ever. You know,
jd Vance a couple of weeks ago said well, you know,
guns are just a part of life and we kind
of just have to deal with it. So I'm do
with that information, what you I just pray that Kamala
and her husband and everyone around her is protected and

(52:06):
continues to be protected. And yeah, I'm just really happy
for her and really happy for the folks that are
on her team.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Now.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
My know, man Pam somewhat political, but not I'm gonna
always be fuck the police. Everybody knows that about me.
I'm very fuck law enforcement. I will always be fucked twelve.
I will always be a cab. But I am also
very happy when the police catch up with the people
who need to be policed. And what I do want

(52:32):
to say is that I am very, very happy that
Diddy is getting his come up ince because I know people.
I know people personally who have been impacted by some
of the stuff that has happened on Bad Boy, But
I also know people who know people who know people
who have been impacted by stuff that has happened with
bad boys. So to say that, it's kind of a yes,

(52:55):
ma'am and the sense of yes, I'm finally happy that
Diddy is getting what he has done to so many
people back to him. And it's not to say that
I'm happy to see a black because I keep saying that, yeah,
you're happy a black man's going to jail. No, I'm
happy that someone who is has assaulted people and has
hurt people is finally being held accountable for the hurt
that he has caused. That's what I'm happy about. What

(53:17):
I will say is that there are a lot of
people who are looking for ways to excuse Ditty and
people like Ditty, and I think it is and I
know that's a whole conversation in itself. We've talked about
it with R. Kelly. We've talked about it with the
gentleman what's his name, the gentleman who who shot Meg
the Stallion. We've had this conversation over and over and

(53:38):
over again. I don't know why we continue to keep
trying to make excuses for specifically black men who harm
black women or harmed other black people. So I'm just
very happy to say that I see people getting what
they deserve in a good way, meaning they are finally
people are finally being held accountable for the harm that

(53:59):
they've caused. That's for me, where both my like yes
ma'am and my no man pam lives. But anyway, for
you Amber, do you have any y s MAM's or
no man PAMs this week? My no man pam okay.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Is when people say, okay, so we all saw the
debate and we saw Trump frigging shit the bed. Basically, yes,
he messed up in an immeasurable way. Right, you could
argue that this lost him the election, and he's flailing.

(54:38):
He's flailing, he's drowning, he's losing.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
In real time.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Next to him is a black woman.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Doing a murder.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
She's destroying this man in every single way. She's excelling
at exactly what she came here to do. She debated
like no one has ever debated before.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
She done the bet It was yes, she done did that,
So she.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Was great.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Then, people who need to have an opinion, you're like, well,
you know what, she didn't lay out any of her
policy and yeah, it was great, But what about her policy.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
That's not what this is. This is a debate.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
You do not layout your policy, because guess what, when
Elizabeth Warren did it years ago, y'all were like, well,
she's just like, ah, my policy, I have a plan
for that. I have a plan for that. And they
made fun of her because she laid out.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Too much of her plan. So that's not the name
of the game, folks.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
We're not out here to tell everybody our first, second,
and third move because we're trying to get voters. You
alienate voters when you say exactly, blah blah.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
That's gross.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
But this is politics.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
So she got there.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
She did exactly what she was supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
She murdered and people and nobody saying Trump was bananas.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Everything he did was trash. No one's saying that.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
People are saying, well, she she didn't lay out any policy.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
So I don't know if I.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Bitch, google it, yeah, google it there. Why she got
she gotta get up here.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
And then read to you her right, yeah, hello, hello,
say it. No, we know why they're doing that. We
know why they're doing it. We know why they're doing it.
It's a black woman.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Who's very very very very very very smart. And I
tell you what, if she had been a white man,
they'd have been like, well, we finally did it.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
We finally we understand how you win debates. Fuck mm hmm.
That made me unreasonably mad.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Oh I hear you.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I hear you. And it's the same thing every time
people critique and and and if you listen to any
of our old shoes, you hear me going off, through
and through and through about how much I love Kamala
just as a person and her talent policy aside, right,
like politics aside. I know that they're like I have
been saying this, I know that there's stuff that people
critique Kamala on and it's all valid for me. I

(57:15):
just love that she is in her bag. She is
so pristine at what she does, and it just makes
me like her, like I find her to be a
very like I don't know, she just the way she
carries herself, how human she is. How I could go
for hours talking about how much I love that woman,
and they only critique her because she's she's good at

(57:35):
what she does. She is good at what she does because,
like you said, if it was a white man, people
would be eating it up. We don't even need to vote.
We can vote now everybody. People wouldn't be going to
the ballad box tomorrow. If Biden came in the way
that she would have come in at that debate, people
would have been ready to vote for him in a
second fell out that fell out.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
M h. It's also like, oh sorry, it's also strategic
to not let out your policy plans so early because
then like people then, like the people who are gonna
be who are when you're running for House and Senate
are gonna be like blow that ship a young girl, yeah,
and like like you can't. You gotta hold your cars
to your chest, y'all.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Like I nod does that.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
She didn't invent not laying out your.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I'm like, like I have my thoughts on Coma for sure,
and like I can't pretend like at end of the day,
this is a political game, right, Like do I love
the game?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I hate the game. Do I wish we can bolish
the game? Sure? But right now we can't bolish the game.
So I can't be mauth that you're playing the game
the way she should be playing and playing it well
like good. The myth thing is playing chess and boys
shame checkers.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Like baby Mama over here playing shoots the ladders. Okay,
they like the whitest playing shoots the ladders at this point,
and I'm looking over at them being like, y'all, y'all
about to lose this game. But yes, girl, y'all about
to lose. So I'm here for it. But what do
you have any s man's Now you said yes, I do.

(59:09):
First of all, you said fuck twelve.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
So that reminds me the earlier in the summer. I
want to say, I went to Minneapolis, where my sister
Angie lives, and we went to George Floyd Square.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I don't know if you guys have heard this, but
new but George Floyd Square is now might be called
Rise and Remember, but for now it's still called George
Floyd Square, I believe. And it's the square where George
Floyd was murdered. And the people have taken it back
and they've just I don't even know how to explain it.

(59:50):
They've built kind of a giant memorial yeah yeah, yea.
And there are you know, there is a kind of
a art installation slash graveyard of all of the people
who have been murdered by the cops.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
There's several art installations to that tune.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
They have been keeping track of all of the offerings
to uh the sight of his murder.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
There, they have taken over a gas station and put
a giant black power fist.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
In the middle of the street.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
I'm looking at that now. Yeah, it's the most, it's
the most. It's the best feeling I've ever felt. Was
being there and being like, oh my god. And we
got led through by a woman who and these people
went through it like the cops after they murdered George
Floyd were in that neighborhood going book wild. So people

(01:00:54):
are like, well, fuck all, y'all, this belongs to us now,
and the cops don't go in there. That'll come around there.
And when we were in there, there there was me, uh,
my sister, our friend, the lady who's taking us around,
a man uh tending to the garden, a guy uh

(01:01:19):
pushing a stroller, and then two like teenagers. These are
the people I can see. It's eight in the morning.
The cops drive by the woman who's leading us around. Yeales, nine, ten, eleven, everybody,
all of those disparate people, none of us are there together.

(01:01:39):
Everyone shouts fuck twelve, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Love it, love yes, the best fucking fel.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
May I want to say, I'm not sure this summer
coming up, not the one we're in, but the next
one is the five year anniversary of the George Floyd murder,
and there's gonna be like to people really talking the community.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Oh my gosh, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
There is there every morning at eight o'clock and every
night at seven. I think those times are right. They
meet and the community meets to see what the community needs.
There's clothes, there's like someone giving haircuts. I want to
say something like that, and they just get together and
go what do you need?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
What can I do for you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
And it's they've met every day and night since the murder,
every every and someone leads the meeting and it's just community.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
And I was like, I want to be here. I
want to I'd never I've never felt like that in
my entire life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
It was beautiful. It was beautiful and I will definitely
be going there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yeah for the five year meeting. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Google it. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I'm on the site now and so we'll we'll put
for those who may not be aware like myself, I
genuinely did not know this existed. And and it's also
kind of alarming. It is even alarming. It's a tracts.
It's frustrating to me that like, we're not seeing coverage
on this, we're not seeing more people talking about because

(01:03:20):
that's basically what it is. It's and and and I
learned about this a couple of months ago myself about
certain parts of UH New Orleans, New Orleans, and and
and and Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
They have.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Basically they've in so many ways told the police stay
away from here, and we will take care of ourselves.
And so we're seeing a lot more black communities do this,
And so I I wish, I wish there was more coverage,
and I wish there was more information on on this.
But I love that you mentioned this, and for folks
who are interested in going, or for folks who would
love to learn more about this, Like I said, I'll

(01:03:54):
put the link in our and our show description so
that way folks can go and learn more about it.
But as I'm looking at all these photos and I'm
looking at a lot of this information, it just it
blows my mind that I don't know about this. So
thank you for mentioning it. Yeah, it's fantastic, Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, yes,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
That's my yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yes, right, yes, you had a good one, honey, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Thank you teaching the children. You talked, you got to
teach the children. Now, Joe, what are your yes ma'am
and no ma'am's for this week.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I just I'm like, I'm looking at this, I'm like,
why mix you wants want Visitingnapolis just for this reason.
So thank you so much, Emma for sharing this with us.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Oh, come on come my, Angie. Thanks Angie, come on, Angie,
come on down my yes, ma'am. This week is just
to white dramas. I just I love me a white drama.
It's so amazing to see to see white mess. It's
amazing to see white hysteria, white fragility, like a white drama.

(01:05:00):
I just watching The Perfect Couple with with Nicole Kimmen,
Queen of Mama can act.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
It comes to do this thing, white mess, and she
is coming with that wig and she is going to act.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And I sometimes I don't know, I don't know if
she recognizes like I'm sure she like objectively she is
also a good actress for sure. I don't know she
recognizes that like that, like that like how perc she
is for white mess like when I watch her for
the like when I saw None Perfect Strangers, I said.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Oh yes, show where where Mama came? And she even
the drama she brought for that amc act that she did.
We talked the theaters we come from from, and then
red bottoms and sat down on him cheap and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It's literally as you're here, I was like, Okay, cinema, honey, sokay, cinema.
She has a genes, she has a qual that I
cannot I cannot speak about anybody like it's just yeah, okay,

(01:06:24):
Like she has period like I just I live, so
I love me and white drama and she's so good
a playing that. I just I live actruly live and yeah,
I just I just love and and I I don't.
I was saying my last like I don't see like
I'm like, I'm like, oh yeah, Nicole kid, don't. I
don't like look for her. But whever she's in, I'm sad.

(01:06:47):
I'm sad. I don't like much washing. I'm just like
I'm sad with her, Like I just live.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I thought you was talking about Sorry, I thought you
were talking about white drama, as in like white people
being in a mess. And I was gonna say I
was at a hotel a couple of weeks ago and
there was these two there was this white man and
this white lady who were arguing, and I was like,
not trying to like be in it, but I was
listening because they was going at it. She had said
something if she was like I'm done, I am so

(01:07:12):
done with this, i am so over it and I'm
ready to go home. And he was like, Barbara, I can't.
Like they were in it, like they were at the
gift shop going off, and I was like, who the
white people is?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I wish I could love wathing like that. There's a
way white drama. I always somehow get pulled into the
white drama. So I'm like, like, very few white dramas.
Can I actually be stay away from someone's always I've
always answered bisander until one of the white folks was like,
could you intervene? And I'm like, oh, I'm just I'm

(01:07:44):
just here to watch. I'm to consume. Yes, I meant so, yeah,
but I also would love to hear white man be
like Barbara, why Barbara please now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
My no man, Pam.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Inversely, it's just black folks with Trump. I just I
I never have understood why, but I just really can't
with y'all now. And there's one particlar in particular, who
like I just cannot stand and it's sad because they
are like a younger influencer person and I do not

(01:08:19):
I do not understand their their proximity to like like
like like their commitment to uphold white white permence in
this way. I don't understand their disillusion to white supremacy
as if it actually won't affect them. They believe that
racism isn't isn't as real as people say it is

(01:08:41):
because they have not had that experience yet. And I'm like,
my guy, you like you play puppets, so right now
like you won't see it and the second like five
comes to fruition, you will be free to feel it
like girl like, It's just it makes me so sad.
I I don't understand and understand. Yeah, let me like

(01:09:09):
what like what what what? What is here for you?
Like just have curiosity? What does this provide?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
What brings you joy about this moment? I just I
don't understand because they want.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
To be white, no shade. I'm just saying, like I
think a lot of people think the closer they can
get to Trump and the closer that they can get
to the right, the closer they can the further they
can get away from being oppressed. And I'm like, you know,
like Francesca Ramsey says, what is little? They never they
never think the leopards would eat their face. And that's

(01:09:41):
literally what we will. What all every person that there
are black and brown people who have literally seen the
right ship on them even in this election, and they're
still thinking, oh, these people will protect me, these people
will help me. And I'm like, girl, y'all are going
to be They need y'all so y'all can be the
first to go over when the ship starts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
To It's so funny because they're the same folks who
are like, I'm not sheep, I'm a lion. I'm like girl,
just wait, babe, bit you are you are my your
way to those laughter houses. But okay, well say no man,
Pam to all the folks and like if someone hears this,
like how do you join me? This bird? Like I

(01:10:22):
just like listen I'll talk with I will talk with y'all.
I will I will hold space, I'll hold your hand,
the thing, I will do all those things. And I'll
be like, why why I'm not doing it. I'm not
doing it because we've seen it too many. Yeah, just
don't engage with me about it, like I'm sorry, I'm
sorry for some a way that I'm not that I
don't funk with you. I just don't fuck with you.

(01:10:43):
There's nothing to fuck with. Like we're not the same, girl,
We're not the same. And it's sad.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
So to those folks, right, it's really sad. It's really sad,
but it's also a little bit funny, like you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Also can't help a laugh because like I sit there
and I'm like I said there, I'm like, it's so
silly because what because when they come for you, girl,
they're gonna snatch you up, and then you're gonna be like, oh,
why see you coming? And we'll be like we all
saw trying to tell you, like where where were you?
And ninety two when we told you what's going to happen?

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
I just don't And they're so lucky they're black, because
we'll take you back.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
He sucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
But come on back, all right, lemon, great example.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Women found you. For the rest of your life. We'll
be like mant of time where you girl, you like,
come here old supermacs as bitch, you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
So silly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Look at you looking dumb, My god, but it's olds
you look right now like I'm not joking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I'm screaming. I'm screaming.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
This by far one of the funnest episodes that we
have done in a very long time. So thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you everybody for listening,
and thank you Amber for being here. We're gonna go
ahead and do the wrap up here as we always do.
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(01:12:31):
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So I will see. But what we do is usually
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Thank you for emailing us amazing stuff. And also we
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(01:12:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
We like to keep the car not Beyonce. We come
with visuals. Yes, yes, yes, we come with visuals. Thank
you for saying that, because I've been on Yeah, thank
you for saying it, because I've been on Gasel's head
and I know somebody over I Park.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
What is tired of me? But anyway, Amber, where can
folks find you?

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
I'm probably at Amber Ruffin across all social media. If
I was a gambling man, that's what I put my
money on. Yes, you are, you are, and we love
to see it and promote your show promoted promoted. Hey everyone,
you should tune in on Saturday nights at nine eastern
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Panels show that is very, very silly CNN doing comedy,
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Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Also Late Night was Tuck Myers every night of the
week and you know, just like life. Yeah, yeah, I
love to see it. I just I adore you house
down boots. But yes, Queen Jojo, where can the dogs
find you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
As always, you can find me at Jojo Danwel's across
all socials. If not there, my website at Journdale's dot com.
If not there, you can find me shake my ass
for tips in the corner of the streets, trying to
find make make make money to afform my varioussive birthday
party that I'm throwing because the cost keep the budget

(01:15:27):
keeps going up and I don't understand how or why.
And so I'm like, okay, you know, it's about time
where I start putting my feet on feet finders, Like
this is a time where I'm like, you know, only
fans about I'm only fans about about from.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
You know, Lacey Mosley said it best that money is
not money the way it used to money.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
It's not lay up and the income has not And
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Money is not money the way it used to money.
And I'm like, you are three hundred percent correct, because
why is it twelve fifty nine for a combo at
jack in a box? I don't understand. I don't get it.
Why is it ten? Why is ten eighty nine for?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Tell me? Lay?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Tell me why lin broke.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Why when I was in La on a third on
a Wednesday, I got a Taco Bell box for seven dollars?
Tell me why when I went Taco Bell and Sanenego
on a Saturday three days later it was eight dollars.
It was ten dollars. I said, how days in due
diferent cities. As you say seven dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
You know every again money not money. But with that
being said, speaking of making some money, what I will
say is you can visit me over down to doctor
Johnpaul dot com, or you can follow me on social
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But with that, if you have a couple of coins,
I wish I had a cup with some change in

(01:16:57):
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