Were You In Sister Act 2? (Featuring DeAndré Upshaw)

This week your besties are joined by the iconic social media doll DeAndré Upshaw to talk all things pop nostalgia, what iconic 2000's items we miss and get down to the bottom of the important question, "which Black queer person was in Sister Act 2"? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
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Speaker 4 (00:53):
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Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yes, I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, I'm still yeah, So I can't help it. The
Black Fat Fan Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio and
Doctor John Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode
of the Black Fat fan podcast where all the intersections

(01:23):
of identity are celebrated. I'm one of your hosts, John
also known as Doctor John Paul, and I am so
happy to announce that I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yes, I'm still here. Yes, I did not get rap.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Shit, I'm stuck down here with all the heathens and helpbenders.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Jo?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Did you see? Did you see the video I sent you?

Speaker 6 (01:47):
The I'm and I was like, this is us, Like
we're still yes, yes, yeah, I live.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I live two days after we didn't get rapped this week.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Love these messy k Joe and fortunately or maybe unfortunately
depend on who you ask, I also do not get raptured.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
And I'm not gonna lie. It's so getting down here.
And I would not have minded being transported to a
different dimension, like it would have been fine with me.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
They have ye I've been like, oh my god, I
gotta be like I gotta go. I call by like
I just I mean, like I'm trying to die. But
I would have I would have to be in Earth too,
or multiverse, this Earth not the one.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, Mars, everybody I'd be I'd be wanting to get
teleported to Mars. It's funny though, because I did have
some friends text me.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Come.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
But I did have a few friends text me and
be like, yo, I'm texting from heaven. A friend of
mindset that she went to Noah's Marked instead of Noah's Arc.
It was Noah's Marked and she was talking about all
of the goodies that they had and Noah's Mart and
so she's all, my friends are nuts and I love
them for it. Shout out to ransentorial listeners of the
show who were sending me all of the messages about

(03:04):
what it's like to do.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Wonder what kind of recession they got out there, Like
do you think you think like between heaven and hell?

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Like like do you think like like like fifteen heavens
like heavens.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I haven't an Apple status, Like I'm not even going
to texts.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I'm not trying to be Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Right, Like it's it's Hell in heaven an Apple store. Yeah,
that's I just wonder, right, is it five Jesus? You
know it's like five sent for five gods? Does God regulate?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Like? I just have questions, not the angel saying that's all?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, are the apostles like the apple you know can
go to go to the Apple Store, the apostles around
with like little tablets asking you questions. That's what I'm thinking.
It's like, you know what that that's a whole episode,
Like what would it be like what I just just
loob blah blah. But speaking of the two thousands, we

(04:07):
are going to have a key key today.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
This week is gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yes, yes, because we are literally getting into the topic
that made me one of the like literally just all
pop culture episode for those who have who have been saying, wow,
like some of the episodes, like I know, we've had
a couple of episodes these last couple weeks we've been
like you left episode like Jesus Christ, this this is
a lot. But today we're gonna have some fun self.
Today we are getting together with one of my one

(04:37):
of my favorite people. They are helping us understand what
really happened during the y too Gay era?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Not Y two K? Why too Gay?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right? We gotta make sure a self proclaimed gay menace
and pop culture poppy, this six foot six giant is
not only a wealth of knowledge, but an icon who
keeps putting us up on tea. And I'll be transparent
and I'm gonna say this real quick before I call
them into the room. There are a lot of things
I know about the Y two K era of things,

(05:07):
But then there are moments where I'll see one of
their videos and I'll be like, I didn't know nothing
about that, my God, Like I didn't know Mario, Like, yeah,
I didn't know Mario originally got or not Mario Usher
Usher was the ones who got.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
The answers right.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, they have all the answers, they really do. Please
give it up for DeAndre Epshaw. How you doing Sis?
It's good to see you.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yah, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Thank you for having me on the podcast. I feel
all luxurious and since talk excited.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, we are happy to have you. Thank you so
much for giving us some of your time. And we're,
like I said, we're gonna get into the two thousands
of it all because we are all millennials in some
type of way, and so yeah, I'm just excited and
the end just really really this is gonna be fun.
I know we're here.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Yeah, we're really so thrilled to have you here, and
we're gonna kick off for our shall we do every
week doing our steal here sement on your Massisia Campbell.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Missisia Campbell, if you are listening to this, know that
we love you. We want you to be on a
show as well to please. So girl, hear me out now.
And we're living.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
We're living through the moments that we refuse to let
go on this show. So Gang, we we know you
love talking about the Y two K. So we want
to start by asking you for the segment. What is
a Y two K moment.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
That that redefined you? It can be anything.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
I'll start bounce over to you and then the John
and I'll say for me, it's a few things.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Number one is a sidekickphone to this day, the blood,
the Beef.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
I have my brother about this because my brother had
got the psychic phone when when we had a family
plan growing up, I had not had a phone yet
he got the psychic phone.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
And the way the story I tell him her, I
tell myself is that he was like, look at my
look at my kilot phone. You ain't touching ship. Huh,
you ain't getting the phone for me? I bet you
let me use it whatever I want. I bet you,
I bet you let me use it.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
The story to tell myself is now he was not
ship he says, it's my fucking phone, don't touch it.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is this the other that be wanting to be on
the show all the time, all the time.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. His story of me is
that I had gotten a game Boy and he had
not gone a game Boy, and so my story of
him he got the CycL phone, which is a better deal,
and I didn't get a cycle phone.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
It was the little flip thing. Oh, he thought he
was somebody and he was somebody in the mobile a
with that she really was that t mobile really was
in her bag with that is my first moment, my
second one, and thank you remind me of this. Spanish
versions of English pop songs the way, yes, the way, okay,

(07:35):
then call.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Me though, then call me Bay, then call me Vin.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
If our boys Fanish version, see please you can tell
me ship.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
Yes, yes, let's think it was in her Spanish band.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
They were somebody.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
I said that that that that's a babbage that they
had Spanish singles I lived.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
My last one is the iPod dancing Medlins.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
I love them, most of the lads, I feel like listen,
I'm gonna say it. In a time where there was
not much diversity, there was diversity in the in the
because they they're also the wads. But but you saw dreads,
you saw curls, Okay, I said, oh, they had some
black folks in this one, like I saw all the time.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I said, oh, they are diverse in this one. Like
I just I lived that Apple commercials my father. People
that just dancing everywhere, the little things on they have
a little nano, the shuffle, the touch like it was
all just so damn good. So that was those are
my things all the time. But Andre, how about.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
You, well first giving honor to God and Tisha Campbell,
because I just can't pass that time I have a
chance to reference. I'm yes, yeah, I'm not ready for

(09:10):
that black butterphal I'm not. Yes, I'm gonna try. Moment
from the two thousands that made me a homosexual. I
remember exactly where I was. I was in college, and
I was an ra and I had had a I
was always a big consumer of media, and in the
two thousands it took a while for reality television to

(09:30):
become legitimized as a legitimate source of entertainment. Some so
are you that it isn't. But in the two thousand
and five, thousand and six, I watched Live as Pumpkin
Spit in New York.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yes say where I was?

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yes on for me, like I had always been sort
of a student of slat. I'd always been a student
of pop cult sure, and of uh, you know what
was going on in the world. And I watched Real World.
I'd watched reality TV all my life, but it was
around that time. If you weren't alive or in the

(10:13):
mid two thousands, you don't know that reality TV was
like I don't know, people weren't as into it as
they are now. Before Niani, before Real House Vibes really
solidified it, reality TV was really seen as something that
stars did when their careers were or you know, you
had people in the house. And I felt like flavor
of love. Obviously there had been personalities on television before,
but I felt like New York really was someone who

(10:37):
went in and understood the game and gave us good television.
And there's something to be said for doing it all
for good TV. And so that's one of my I
remember where I was. I remember thinking to myself, I
think I liked this y.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
The real life was when I was I was hook
lineed Sinkers, so real Life is what got it?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
What's his name.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
In the hallway, in the hallway that moments that live
in my head, Rent Free, I said that little man
just Pete in the hallway.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
My god, my god.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
One day, one day I will do a dissertation because
the Surreal Life for me is it's one of those
things that's an Iceberg thing because you don't have Flavor
of Love without the Soril life. Solial Life was where
we got Brigitte Nielsen and Flavor flav in a house together.
Then they had a spin off they did of that's
called Strange Love, and it was about them navigating their

(11:36):
relationship and they came from that, right yeah, and then
Flavor of Love came from that. And so Surreal Life
is really sort of the granddaddy of the v H
one reality experience because and it was originally I know
too much random ship about many things, because Real Life
was originally on the w B.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yes it was.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
I don't know if they canceled it or if they
moved it, but it got moved to v H one
and that's when they really lean into the cheese. And
I remember Janis Jakinson was there, and you know, Top
Model was around that time too, and so it's the
two things.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
She was given.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Was it wasn't that the year where Amrosa and her
were giving each other hell yep, okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
And they had that this this great dynamic that plays
out on television. And it was around this time that, really,
I feel like reality TV switched from being shows about
groups of people to being shows about personalities. And I'm
sure it happened before this time. I'm not going to
say that everything happened when New York got spit on,
but it was a turning point. And shows like that

(12:35):
that speak to where we are and who we are
as people I think are so important. And yeah they're trashy. Yeah,
it's it was wrong of her. It's wronger than the fight,
but you know, these are people. This is how people
react the situations and it is interesting to watch. Ye
I love it.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, And now mother, the woman who spit on her
pumpkin is I think a I think she's an r N.
I think she's a registered urse. And so to think
about the idea of like her talking into my like,
I don't know how I would react if I went
to a hospital and pumpkin and I knew she came
in and she was like, I'm going to be your nurse.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I would say nothing, having like bye pumpkin, yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yes.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
So for me, I'm not gonna hold y'all. I may
have mentioned this before, but I was gonna say. I
think the thing for me that will always kind of
redefine who I am was when, uh when when cell phones,
when people actually cared about cell phone ring tone, when
ringtones actually meant things to people. And my first cell
phone shout out to Sprint, which is no more for

(13:40):
a certain for some of y'all, y'all had to again
you had to be there, You had to be there, Sprint, Singular,
all of those places where different cell phone companies that
existed before you know, obviously capitalism uh swallowed them up.
But I remember my first My fault so I initially
was I had an AT and Go phone that I

(14:02):
didn't really have, like it just had sounds, right, and
you could download ringtones, but they were just like regular sounds.
But then my first phone from Sprint had actual ring tones,
was it played real songs, And I will never forget.
I always remember where I was. I was in Jack
Brown Hall at cal State San Bernardino in the in

(14:23):
the major hall where all the people where I was
in a polycide class and my phone went off in
my backpack and it literally Beyonce crazy in Love going
off in the middle of the classroom. Everyone's looking at me,
the teacher's looking at me, and it was so deep
in my bag and I'm like trying to get it
to turn it off.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
But I will always remember.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
That moment, like that was the gatest moment that I've
ever lived in my life, was the fact that crazy
Love was going off on my phone in one of
my classes in college. And like you two, I was
an ra I remember us. You know, there was this
major it used to forget what we called it, but
there was this place where we would all meet up
and watch TV and we would we would do all.

(15:03):
I talk about it in my book. I talk about,
you know, how reality TV shaped me in my book.
But that was probably the thing that will always remind
me of the two thousands is being so excited when I,
like my cell phone would go off and I had
like the latest ring tone or the latest yes, because.

Speaker 8 (15:21):
You like, if if that, if that ring, if that
phone went off during class, you know, you had to
have a good ringtone or else people will believe you
like you had like yeah, oh guess.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
You have something.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I had so I touched.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I remember when I got my new phone. Touched by
Amory was one of my ring tones. Don't be afraid
to touch, and I remember just that that's my That's
still one of my favorite songs.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
But just literally yeah shut.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Like like like the like the gayest ring tone because
like mine's for so long this is Telegraph was as
a kid, but my mind was that song make Me
Better by maybe Better by Fabulous featuring Neo so myself, yes,
for like three years and everyone be like, yeah, that's you.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, because I guess I was like.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Tipsy was my ring tone for a minute too, like
uh flamboyant big kid and they're like you are here
sinking this this, this, this is this. That's also the
song was a bob it was and like it gave
me some street cred because everyone's like, oh, Jordan, you
like younk with it. I was like yeah, I literally

(16:42):
remember when yeah this one from Lime Wire on your
phone and be like make me better dot m P three.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Never know when M three files ever.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
They won't know the struggle, never understand, never understanding I struggle.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
But then let me tell you the way I used
to be able to hit them. But I'll be texting
and driving. Yeah, I'll be tearing up.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
But I'm like, oh man, what a moment today. I
hate it. I hate it. Here now silent, vibrate the
D n D no one, No one wants to connection
no more anyways. Okay, Well, while y'all go and check
to see whether your phone's a monophonic aphon greading tones,
we gotta take a quick first quick break to pay

(17:28):
our singular cell phone bill throw I love it so singular.
We'll be back with more showing just.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
A bed, all right, y'all.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
So we are getting ready to head into our category
is segment, And this is the segment where we talk
with our guests about all the things that literally, you know,
really just shape kind of who they are, what they do,
how they think about things. And so this week we're
getting into what I like to believe is one of
the one of the traits that I love about you know,

(18:03):
watching you on social media is just how good you
are of a of a storyteller. You are so good
and I know it's editing, and I know that there's
all these different parts, right, but everything is always so consistent,
and it's always like a even if I know the story,
I'm like, yep, yep, I'll be watching it like.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Mm hmm, I know yep, I know it. I know it.
And so I wanted to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know, I should say, we're gonna talk to you
this week about the ways in which the two thousands
made you, how it made us and how it kind
of connects us and things, and so before we get
into so, I do want to quickly say too, before
we before we skirret off from our last segment. For
those of you who had Singular, who didn't, who don't
know what singular is, this was before like when when

(18:45):
when uh cell phone minutes mattered, meaning you couldn't just
call people, you couldn't just text people, You had to
wait to a specific time. And what made Singular the
best was the fact that Singular let.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You roll over over your time.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
So if you had one hundred minutes in March, those
one hundred minutes in March would roll over into the
new five hundred minutes you had in April. But you
also had to have good credit and so the reason
why I didn't have Singular was because my credit was
fucked and I had to go with Sprint because Sprint
didn't check your credit.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Had to be there.

Speaker 9 (19:22):
You had one knows, one knows a fight to be
on the uh the my was my top five on
T mobile because also and text that.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Hard.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
But I just had to pay that.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
And my parents. My parents had to be two of them.
So I have three friends this for it.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
People would fight for your top five yees, so I
had to say that I couldn't let that go. But
I wanted to say all that before. So before again
we skirt off, I want to you know, before we
start talking about Kanye snatching trophies and Brittany attacking cars
with him, bro, I would love to know or love
to talk to you about representation and impact. So first

(20:06):
I would love to ask, like, how did the two
thousands pop culture kind of shape your sense of self?
And it sounds like we grew up at the same
exact time, so I'm almost wondering if your response is
going to be similar to the way I think about it,
But I'd love to hear your take on it well.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
For me.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
So I was born in nineteen eighty seven, Yeah, thirty
eight years. Yeah. For me, it has to go back
before the two thousands when I think about things that shape.
I know we're talking about two thousands, but one thing
leads to another thing, and we can't do the things
without the things that come before it. When one of
my earliest memories as a child is watching the premiere

(20:44):
of Mighty More from Power Rangers ninety five the bedroom
that I shared with my brother, and I was really
really into The Power Rangers when I was young. This
is pre internet, This is pre my family. We didn't
have a computer at that time, but I was really
in to the Power Rangers. And as I got older,
I grew out of it a little bit. But when

(21:06):
I was in junior high school, we got internet. We
got Internet where you could actually uh a little bit
faster than dial up, but it was still dial up.
And I found out that The Power Rangers was a
Japanese show that they had basically just taken the footage
from Japan and shot some footage with Americans. And I

(21:29):
remember a thing like that is so crazy that they
could do that, and I didn't know it as a kid.
I said, I wonder if I could do that. So
I I used to have episodes of Power Rangers on
VHS that I'd gotten when I was younger, and with
this new computer that we had, I started editing my
own episodes of Power Rangers. Wow. And I literally was like,
if they can do that, they can. And this is

(21:50):
before premiere. This is some some shitty software that came
with the computers that my dad had purchased for work.
And so that is how I started editing. So my
my day job, I'm a video editor, which kind of
ties back into this whole pop culture thing. And so
as I started building this, I started to think about that.
That's where I learned the story, and that's where I

(22:10):
learned basics of editing and things like that. And as
I went into college, I started to study film, and
that's why I have a degree in film and journalism.
And so this idea for me, I've always had this
really really intense curiosity about things that I think most
people don't care about. Not that they don't care about,

(22:31):
but I will get obsessive over something. If I'm watching
a show and there's someone in it, I am like,
that guy is on that that thing and if I
don't get the answer to it, I'm going to physically
be in pain. And so before the Internet, you like,
I wouldn't have known that The Power Rangers was a
show that was in Japan, Like, there was no way

(22:54):
to know this, There was no way to find out
the answers to questions that you had, and so I
was always really into behind the music. I was always
really in the pop up video. And that's why a
lot of the content that I make right now echo
sort of that idea of learning about the content that
you already consume. And so before you know, we were

(23:14):
able to search. And it feels like an old person
going to say, but yeah, we all we remember a
life before computers. We will remember a life before internet.
And so before that time, if you had a question about,
you know, did Candy break her leg before she filmed that,
don't think I'm not music video, you might never get
your answer. But now we have all this information at

(23:37):
our disposals. So really, from that Power Rangers episode to
the adverts of the Internet, really, the accessibility to information
is really what is shaped and informed the content that
I make. I think that we have a wealth of
information at our fingertips, and a lot of the things

(23:58):
that I posted about. A lot of the content that
I put us about are things that either I might
have heard about back in the two thousands, and then
finally getting down and verified, the first thing that I
posted that kind of got big was that Luther Vandross
did a cover of work it by missy Ellis. I.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yes, yes, yes, that's something that I.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Was vaguely aware of, but I and I was getting
a lot of people commenting like, I didn't even know
that Luther van Joss was alive at the same time
as missing. We all we all have access to this
information in this power, but I think it's just so interesting,
and so I just started by kind of saying, you
know what, what are these things that we remember? I
think nostalgia is really powerful. I think that for those

(24:40):
you know, even if you didn't have a great child
growing up, they're that idea of being safe and having
something that's home and comforting to yeah, lies in memories.
And so a lot of the content that I do
from that era is based off of things that I
just think it's fun to remember. I think the intricacies
of how the media that we consume is made is interesting.

(25:02):
I think the interpersonnel between you know, a post that
I did recently was about the VH one divas and
how there's drama all through up and out that bitch,
and I think that's so interesting. I think, I just
I just think it's I think these people were at
the top of their game, were doing things, and it's
it's something that was still legendary, but there's still this

(25:23):
information that lives on and still I mean, it doesn't
Mariah Carey being upsets Leanedy on for the past many
years doesn't really do anything to me. But it doesn't
affect my life in any real meaningful way. But when
I listened to their music, yeah, it takes me there.
It adds the flavor, it adds the texture, and so
that's kind of that's that's why I make the content

(25:44):
that I do the two thousands and the entire decade
and the time that that's around it, because I'm a
firm believer of the fact that decades kind of run
into each other, Like the last three years of the
eighties and the like are the nineties, like like you
can't just say this is two thousand, like January first,
two thousand, No, you know it.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Was right right right over, Yeah, ninety eight is what
May twenty two thousand and one and two thousand and two.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, right. It's difficult because and we have to look
at things linearly because we're humans, and it makes sense
to us to say, okay, this is a decade, but
a lot of the things that we feel from different
eras are influenced by the previous areas, and so it's
all connected. And I just want to find out everything
about everything.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
You know, what I think is really special and unique
about what what what you create on here is that
And I love what you just said too. It's like
it colocked for me of like oh you are like
you're providing more context to something like we have we
have a Fameria. We have a very specific picture in
time of what was like shown to us or given
to us, and you really help us for a background.

(26:47):
You really help explore like backstory, Like you get to
like like this was a picture, right we Madia delivers
us the outline, but you actually help coloring and st
and show us a stroke of it, which is really
special amazing, And so I'm curious to ask you, like, well,
like when did you realize that it was going to
be successful to do that, like because in some ways,

(27:09):
like you know, the content is both like it's like
it's it's niche in a sense of people wouldn't have
thought about it like from jump, but also highly focused
because you're like, oh, I would have that about that,
and now I like need to know as well too,
so like yeah, that's like what was the moment where
you're like, there's like there's something actually really here about

(27:30):
sharing this, you know with the greater world.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Mm hmm, what is wild to me? I have been
creating content on the Internet and a professional capacity since
twenty ten. I used to be a YouTube way back when.
I've lived a lot of different lives on the Internet.
I got paid to build content on the Internet, and
I've done it consistently in different capacities since twenty ten.

(27:56):
I did not have any traction on the bulk of
my content until this past April. I didn't start making
this content until April of twenty twenty five. Right now
it's September twenty twenty five. I had spent a lot
of time trying to be a lifestyle influencer. At one point,
I was trying to do sort of fashion I'm still signed.

(28:19):
I don't get booked a lot, but I'm still signed.
I'm a big and tall model. I lost a little
bit of weight and now I kind of feel like
I don't fit in the industry. I'm not big enough
to be big, but I'm still tall and so people
don't put me near. So that's the whole thing. Anyway,
I've been kind of creating content for the past several decades,
I feel like and hadn't really popped off. I didn't film,

(28:42):
and this year I gave myself a goal to create content.
I was one of thoseeople who was always like, you
know what, if TikTok would have been around when I
was in college, I would have been a running take time. Yeah,
but like there's benefit, like like because when I was
in college, I didn't have access to a camera, right.
The only camera I had access was because I was
a film student and I could check a camera out,

(29:03):
but I didn't iPhones. Now, the first iPhone came out
when I was I think a junior in college, and
so I was like, you know, if I was like
if I was young and TikTok was fresh and I
was living with like tens of thousands of people who
were like minded like me. I was like, I would
have been running this shit, and so I said, let
me put my money where my mouth is, and I
gave myself a task to start creating content. And this

(29:26):
was April, so I was I had a decent amount
of to give. I guess numbers content people like like numbers.
I had forty eight thousand followers in April, which is
not an insignificent insignificant amount of followers. I don't want
to show over that, but I wasn't. My content did
not have traction. I didn't have movement in what I
was posting. And I was trying to do lifestyle, and
I found that the thing some people lifestyle is easy.

(29:47):
That's like, you know, I'm going to come with me
to go grocery shopping or like coming to do these things.
And I was like, I don't actually like doing this
type of content. I professionally, I work as a video producer,
and one of the things that was really bogging me
down is that I spent a lot of time trying
to make things perfect. I work in production professionally as
my day job, and so I spend time on projects.

(30:08):
I shoot things, I edit things. Everything that you see
I edit. And if you were to ask me who
I am, I'm a storyteller who tells stories through video.
Who is an editor? I'm a video editor. That is
what I get paid for. That's my day job. That's
what I do. I'm a video editor. And so I
was like, what is it that I can do that
is germane to the things that I like, but also

(30:30):
combines what I like into something that's visual. My husband
is a he's an illustrator. He's an author illustrator. He
has books out. I remember me. I was just I
was like, God, I wish I did something visual, like
just so lucky, like you could do like a time laft,
you could do all these things. And so I gave
myself a challenge to start making content in April. I said,

(30:50):
I'm going to make four pieces of content a week
and I'm gonna try shit. The very first thing I
did was a review of the Popeyes Pickle Chicken sandwich.
I sat in my car and I ate a sandwich.
I said, maybe this will be the thing. It was it,
but people like, watch me eat the sandwich and I
just went through and I was like, I was like
I'm gonna try gym cons, I'm gonna try to these

(31:11):
different things, these different things. I remember one day. The
biggest thing that sort of unlocked it for me is
because as I gave myself willingness in space to create,
I said, I'm going to create something. I'm spend two
or three hours.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
On this, create every single Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
It may not be good, it might not be great,
but I'm going to create something. And I was like
trying to be like I was, okay, maybe I went.
I went and got French tip nails done with my friends,
and I hated it, by the way, I do not
like having it's. It's it was too much and they
grew and I was like, ah, and then I had
to go back to the place. Nobody tells you that
when you get your nails done, you have to keep

(31:44):
going back me, Joe, I don't, okay, Yeah it was
it wasn't I was. I was like, nobody told me.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Feel yes, And so I was.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Building content around that and I saw someone that posted
something about Diana Ross had done a cover of All
I Do is Win by DJ Khaled, which I thought
was hilarious. Right that Tracy Ellis Ross's mama is up
there singing. All I do is win, win, win, no
matter what. And I made a post about it and
I was like, that'll be my post for today, and

(32:20):
it did really well, and I was like, Okay, people
like this thing that I'm post about. So then I
leaned in that and so for the next two or
three weeks all I did was, hey, remember that time?
And I found these clips. I found Patta LaBelle did
a cover of do Op that Thing by Lauren Hill
in concert. I'm finding these grainy videos from like the
the eighties and the nineties, and it was doing really well.

(32:42):
But I was like, I'm about to run out, like
there's always so many videos I could find or read.
The Fregent singing touched my body like there's.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
There's always so much by here.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
And so I sat down and I was like, okay,
how can I tell the different type of story? How
can I do something that's more than remember that time?
This even did this? And so I started to sit
down and I was like, Okay, how can I start
to build something that would be something that I would watch,
like a behind the music, something that would give me
perspective about a piece of content that I was really

(33:14):
familiar with. I think one of the first things that
I did was did you know that the song Cinderella
by the Cheetah Girls was the third of five versions
of it? They were the third group to sing Cinderella.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I was like, I always think covers are interesting. I
always think when other people have songs, I think that
whole interchange is so interesting. And I made that and
people really responded to it, and so in April I
started with forty eight thousand followers. I just hit one
hundred and sixteen thousand this sign which and I said
that not to brag or to be like, but I,
as someone who's been doing this for multiple decades, didn't

(33:46):
really lock into what worked for me until this year
and for me but really was figuring out, Okay, what
is it that I actually liked? Because the content that
I make I like, I probably would I would still
talk about it if nobody watched it. I probably wouldn't
spend as much time on it, but I would still

(34:07):
make content like this. I'm still I would still go
to my friends and bore them with these facts. And
they're not bored, but they're just like, Okay, Andre, yes,
we know that Eden's Crush did record the one song
that they had in Spanish. I found the community people
online who really finding out that, you know, I didn't
know that Tony Braxton recorded Unbreak my Heart in Spanish.

(34:28):
Not only did she record it in Spanish, she recorded
like she lip syicked. She did a new music video
for it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
That's crazy, that's.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Wild to think about. And so I kind of funneled
that energy and that excitement of finding out something about
a song that I've loved for decades into that. That's
the thing that I've opened.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
A bottle when ye.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Right, because it's it's something that you already like. But
knowing how the sausage is made is sometimes really fun,
especially if you like sausage.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, I appreciate you giving us all the t O
on three l W and the bucket of chicken the
Chicken Gate.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, I appreciate that tea. I know a lot of it.
I was not.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I mean, I was an avid one o six in
park watcher, so I remember the split and I remember
the mess of it.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
All, but I definitely didn't yet.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
There are some things you know, and even I think
the thing I appreciate about your content is even when
I know about something, there are still sometimes moments where
I'm like, oh, I didn't know that intricate like that
intricate piece and so and I know it's a lot
of research, and I know it's a lot of work,
and so I do want to say thank you for
just creating content that's not always so like. And I

(35:43):
believe this to my heart, Like I believe there are
people who are creating you know, we have the Blair
Moni's in the world, and we have a lot of
black queer creators who are creating really like, really informational
things that people need to know. But sometimes it should
be heavy. And so it's nice to be able to
just really tune in to somebody to talk about something
real quick in pop culture. And it doesn't mean that
it's not I definitely want to say this to folks

(36:04):
who are listening and thinking, oh, my passion for reality
TV or my passion for pop culture is not a
real thing, or it is not lauded the way that
we treat other journalism.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
No, it's still journalism. It's just pop cultural critique. It's
pop culture.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
And so I want to say, like, I just appreciate
that you are willing to put so much of yourself
into this, and I appreciate and I'm really excited to
see that it continue to keep growing. So we're gonna
get into a little bit of the silly I was
gonna ask you a really really kind of like deeper question,
but I honestly don't feel like we really need to
go there, because you know, I mean, I'm just saying

(36:40):
I feel like we do it all the time, and
I feel like this is like we want to keep
the fun here, so I want to keep the fun
in it all. And I'm thinking about it. We're gonna
move some things around. So I'm gonna ask this question
that's originally supposed to be for you, Joho, and then
you can ask the question below it, and then we
can go ahead and move on.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
To the next segment.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
So I'm gonna ask you my Space Anger, black Planet,
live Journal, MTV chat, or aim which one meant the
most to you?

Speaker 4 (37:09):
And what were your screen names?

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Screenames?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh my god, my girl, She'll always come through what on?

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Oh my god? Well, I think it's because I can't
dox myself, because you know, like sometimes you get a
screen name and then you just use it for the
rest of the yes and why not be might not
be my current screen name, it might be it yes

(37:42):
Aime girly uh. I was a big fan of the
a L Instant Messenger. Everybody and my all the kids
at my school were on AIM and we would go
I would spend hours crafting my away message. And it's
one thing that I feel like people really don't understand,
and that that I that I think generations that come

(38:03):
after us will understand, is how we had to learn
how to be coders. Just out of necessity of how
the internet worked. We had to know how to I
was building websites and and and it's like you learn
HTML just by Oh, I want to change the background
on my word press? Like how do I do that?

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I don't want them.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I don't want the hearts to fall from the top.
I want them to come up from the bottom.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Change. And so there's a lot of time where you
would where you would just go in and you would
fiddle with things and I know, and your AIM away message.
You could set things like there's little commands that you
could do where it would like show the person's name.
There was that little a I bot called smarter Child
does anyone remember a smarter child. There was someone one
that you could y a I bot and this was

(38:47):
like two thousands, and they would like like you could
ask a question. It was like it was an AI
in the way that we are now, but it was
like they and so that was really cool. And I
would spend I would customize my way and I would
like shout out to people. I would have music playing
and I still hear that little noise when someone leaves

(39:09):
a little door closed. Yeah, the little creek.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, whenever my see I'm about to give so much away.
There was a certain sound I would have with my
hookup would get on AIM and so whenever came on,
I would always be like, Oop, it's going down in
the dorment tonight, because honey, I knew what that sound was.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
How you doing? Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Girl used to get my life, but definitely there for AIM.
I found a lot of love and MTV chats in
the early nineties. If you you have to be a
certain girl of.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
A was like MTV chats that existed.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
MTV chat was the thing. Girl.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
That's actually I found one of my old school friends,
like a friend of mine. We're not friends now, but
back in the Heyday, when MTV chat was a thing.
I met them in one of the the chats and
we started pinpalaing each other. And then they moved to
my uh, they moved to the same city I was
living in, and then we just became friends. We were
friends in college for a short time, and then our
friendship just kind of a dissipated. But that was one

(40:12):
of the cooler things of like. I will also say
that about the like the going from the end of
the nineties into the two thousands, it was really cool
because I think also for us as queer people, you know,
you you weren't safe often right in your your town.
You weren't safe in your school, you weren't safe in
certain spaces. And so when AOL came out with aim

(40:34):
and when Yahoo came out with Messenger and they created
those chat rooms, it became an opportunity for you to
be able to find community.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Even if the community was.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Far, you could still sit and chat with somebody who
was in like New York and still find that community things.
And so I will give it that and say, like,
as much as we may talk shit about you know,
early social media, social media in a lot of ways
saved a lot of queer people, specifically queer black people
in a time when you honestly didn't really have community.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
So that's that's such a great point.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
And you know, but and I think, like, but like
the social media today is has a whole different purpose
than that before, right, because I think that the social
media of yesteryear was about simply just messaging, and you know,
like it was it was, it was like very simplistic
and like now it's like all kinds of complex and
nuance or people trying to the way people show up

(41:25):
and use it is to try and have those complexity.
But like things for eximple it was, it was it
was just a gift or a privilege to mess with
somebody that was literally the next door to you.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Right now, now, what's an expectation. You think it's a
right then begins message somebody from across the world. But
like at that point in time, it was like a
huge privilege and we were like living in the times
of wonder, like this is so amazing to see here.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
And so I mean, like I agree like that that
stuff did save people's last say, gave us the chance
to talk to people beyond what we saw from our
eyes in our direct area where we often felt nervous,
skater or unsafe, right and like and.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
So again like like the because I feel like I'm
training to my parents like back in my day, but
like now now now like I.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
All of us well, like I understand, I understand that
why my parents would say that, like understand that there
there there are some things that you actually do wish
for that that was back in the day because things
meant like like they're mentally different, they were easier, they're
simpler and and I think also the points to what
you do tod like you bring up like very like unexpected.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Joys and you get so it's not it's not just that,
not just like nostalgic compelling, because it is compelling, but
it's not just that. It's that you can feel like
you can be like for the joys, especially in a
time well I enjoy it is hard to come by.
You do it in like such beautalfilm thoughtful ways. It's
really really really.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Special as a as a like small so as scour
but still n hit two k framework as you may
as y'all know, man man may i'm.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
You do all know.

Speaker 6 (43:06):
We'll have to discuss food on the show because like, hello,
will you too be a girls? We love some food
and so okay and so and so we're here to ask.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
What was one was what was one of your favorite snacks?
And was it discontinued?

Speaker 6 (43:20):
And if so, wasn't that that you wish that they
would bring you back? Now, I this is John's question before.
So John had just a few things they had which
I had no idea. Exist, Yes, I'll be customer numbhich amazing.
And then John wants to pop off about Topia. John,
I will, yes, I will wait talk about it.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yes, so let me let me let me talk to
you for quick second and then we'll we'll throw it
back to you. DeAndre fruit topia minute may. If somebody
listens to the show and works for minute may, I'm
not letting this go I so I will. I will
say this. I was part of the reason why McDonald's
brought back the Heighsy Orange because I wouldn't. I was

(44:03):
that when they got rid of it, I used my
platform to rally and they eventually brought it back because
of me. So minute may, I will do the same thing.
If I have to, I will show me up. They
sent me a box in everything McDonald's sent me. I
still have the box. They sent me a box of

(44:25):
all high Sea things, leave us alone. That's literally what
McDonald's did. They said, please, I have my manager who
can fact check this. They literally sent me a box
with the letter saying we are bringing it back because
of your petition and because of.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
The work you've done around this.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I had. I had nothing else to do during what else?
Just yeah, I was nothing else to do.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
So I'm gonna rally around then bringing back high Sea Orange.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
So anyway, I will do the same thing for Frutopia.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Frutopia was the best fucking thing to ever come out
of the two thousands, the different flavors, the fact that
so high See. The problem with high See is that
it never gets cold. Fruit Topia got cold. It was tasty.
I just bring back fruit Topia. I'll let it go.
What what what snack for you?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Would you? Would you want folks to bring that?

Speaker 5 (45:23):
I've got to They used to sell Rice Crispy's treats cereals,
which they brought back. But I don't know if it's
the same. I think there's like like and so it was.
It wasn't Rice Crispy. It was Rice crispy like especial.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
That and I do believe in three D.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
I think that they were better than regular Doritos, and
they brought them back at some point, but they weren't
the same. I don't know if they just destroyed all
the machinery that made them. But Rice Krispies treats cereals
and three D.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Three D.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
You are literally a person of my heart for saying that, Oh,
such taste, such taste that you have.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I just I just the the the icon. You know,
she's she's an icon, She's a legend, and she is
the moment.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Come on, now, now, come on now, last question before
we skirt out of this segment. Is there an artist
from the two thousands that you wish got more love?

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Yes? And that artist is Jojo? I think, And and
the thing is, obviously we're talking about her and not
see why. I hate that we have to clarify.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
It used to be it used to be and yeah,
by Jojo?

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Why?

Speaker 5 (47:00):
And I think that she people recognize her as you know, uh,
a star in an icon. But I think that she
just got Delta bated bad hand with her record label
and then not releasing her music. She gave us bops
at age thirteen, which not many of the girls can do,
and I'm glad to see that she's having a resurgence.
I listened to her audiobook. It was fantastic, and I

(47:24):
think that she has a beautiful, incredible, iconic voice, and
I want more Jojo.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, she deserves, definitely deserves.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, I even even some of her newer stuff is probably,
in my opinion, better than a lot of her older stuff.
And I genuinely do believe that she is one of
the ones that I really wish. I would also say
that I think that the kids, oh they it came
on on one of my peloton rides. They were dancing out.
It was it was like eighteen of them and they

(47:55):
were all mixed. They were like multicultural, and they got
paid pennies. They deserve so much better than what they got.
They were a band. What was the name of that
damn band?

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Were they from the u K? Oh? What was the
name of them? This is gonna drive me crazy, Joey,
can you help me here? That's what.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Good?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Club seven s Club seven.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
So much better. They deserve so much better. Well, honey,
if you want to see on them, you know, the
blind the League girl. She got put off a big
brother UK. I only noticed because of my UK girls,
because you know, I don't want you can't watch every
you can't, you can't. But she got put off a
UK big brother for being racist towards I haven't for

(48:50):
a while, and they still they had a return, they
had like it and I feel like Bradley is still
in those corn breads. I was like, I don't know
no what they maybe it has not progressed, but I've
had a been debta against her for a little while.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Because that's fair. That's that's actually fair.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
There's still there's still quite a few people from the
two thousands that I haven't been debta against. I'm not
gonna name them publicly because I am somewhat of a
public figure, but I will say I also feel you
on that. But with that being said, now that we
have got you frantically looking for episodes of the Surreal Life,
we are going to take a quick break and when
we come back, we are going to see how much
DeAndre really knows or wants to talk about in regards

(49:31):
to the Y two Gay.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
We'll be back in a second, just real quick, did
you know that one of them died.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
I think it's I don't think it was the gay one.
It was the one that wasn't the gay one.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
There's a gay one, Paul, Paul.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah, there are two white boys, two random girls who
really didn't do anything, all right, and then the lad
singer and black black.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I'm Black Bradley my line no, yeah, I hate you
so much. Okay, Black Bradley. M m hmm.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Okay, we are back.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
We are back, and we are but black as always
and often we have to talk about pop culture with
our guests to do every episode and to keep this
episode light.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Heart because we know that the world is a fucking zoo.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
One of focus.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
This week's what's pop and ask for our sister, what
is a why why two k tran? For me, it
is low Rise jeans.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
That's it never has to come back, doesn't belong anywhere.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
Okay, I did not Rise ever get in my life.
I know you see someone so picking it out, like
you're right, your choice what you do. But low Rigis
were like they had no there was no good effect
on the world. The world's not better for the world's.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Worse for it. I just think we could I think
we should just leave them where they were. Called it
a good damn day personally.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, but aren't they bad?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
That's that's why I said low regime can never want
to take them back. I see them trying. They're trying
to peep out. They're trying to do a little resurgence.
But light that thong. I'm gonna tell you put it
away away.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I can see you tapping somebody being like, baby, go
home and change of pain.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Change anyways, Deldre, how about you?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
DeAndre?

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Uh? I'm probably dragged for this because they are also
seeming to be on trend, but super super gigantic wide
leg pants. Uh. Fashion is cyclical, and it seems like
we're going from the skinny means of the past to
other extreme of huge wide wide wide, wide wide leg pants.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Like why what.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
When?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I what?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I that was the look.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
And they're also because we had like goths and we
had emos. I'm sure your your high school had lots
of subcultures, but we had one and they just had
the huge there's Jinko pants and they were huge there, huge,
no white, and I fear we're going back towards those.
I don't know if my pot.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yes, my hips they're so small.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
And what's also coming back because of that, which I
thought we had eradicated in two thousand and five. You
know when your pants are too big down by the
hem and they drag, so remember that, and then and
then you safety paint it so to come up. And
so all that's coming back.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I saw.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I actually was at the mall this weekend past weekend.
I was picking up something and the kid in front
of me and and mine. I want to say kids disrespectfully,
but I think they were younger than me. They had
on those type of pants and I was like, oh,
it's back, Okay, got it.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
And they say that that's that's the way that people
can sell that you're a millennial, as if you're wearing
ankle socks and skinny jeans. And I'm not super susceptible
to trends, but I got rid of all my.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Ankle socks used because yeah, every.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Single one of them. I gave into the pear pressure.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
So now when you have long socks, I.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Got actually they're they're kind of they're kind of sexy.
Also that goes up to the cast.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Okay, and then and and and.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
I switched those and I was like Okay, this actually
has the benefit of being kind of like a little
like cunty.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
White white cows and show white casts.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah, yeah, No, I still have my I still have
my cutoffs, and I definitely am still wearing skinny jeans
because let me tell you, shopping as a big girl,
you can't just be going through trends. To go through
trends because it's hard to find clothes that you like.
And so I like my clothes and they gonna they
are literally going to stay the way that they are.
And if you don't like it, send me some money

(54:21):
and I will change them. But I will say this
about me for me, the trend I never want to
see comeback. And I know we're probably going to cat
I know I'll probably catch hell for this. I I'm
just gonna say it. I was gonna ask Chris to
bleep it, but it is what it is, Miss Tina.
I don't ever need you to make any clothes for
anybody else.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I love you. I love you to death, Miss Tina.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
You can do the hell out of some hair, you
can style the hell out of anything, but baby, stay
away from the stay away from the saw machine. I
just can we talk about some of Destiny's child's looks shake.
Nobody was at the House of Darion because those genes

(55:07):
were fucking ugly.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
They were just.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Now that John officially kept backstage to Beyonce Act three,
impossibly the point rico for bad Buddies bus as well.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
We have one morbage to take and we'll be back
with yes man PAMs with our guests back this say.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
All right, uh so this week I'll be transparent and
saying I really don't have any yes ma'ams because just
there's just been so much shit happening and I don't
really necessarily I just haven't really had time to stop
and be like, oh, this amazing thing is happening. Yay,
So I'll just give it. I'll just want to shout
out you. You know, DeAndre, I think you know folks

(55:57):
like yourself who I'll just say this, maybe you know
what I do have a yes maam my, Yes ma'am
is folks like DeAndre and so many of us who
are creators that are constantly betting on themselves even when
they feel like there's no market or we're being told
there's not a market for us. Also, I want to yes,
ma'am us, this is gonna be the opportunity for me
to say our podcast is nominated for two motherfucking signal.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Talking about betting on yourself, right.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
You know, after being told that for for multiple times
there's there's new murky for a podcast like yours, Well
there is, and signal is it has nominated us to
remind us that there is.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
So I just want to say, shout.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Out listeners, word the listeners as well to people listen
to Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, So shout out to them.
My know, man, Pam this week. You know, I'm just
gonna I'm just gonna say it. I am a true
fan of Apple.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Y'all know this.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
I will, I will, and I still upgrade it, you know.
And I know a lot of people got on my ass,
you know, about what's going on in Congo.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I get it. I understand, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Am I the drama? Am I CARDI b in this moment?
Probably right, y'all you judge your mama. But I did upgrade.
What I will say is I don't love the design
of the new iPhone seventeen Promax.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I think it's ugly.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
And then I could get over the design if the
colors were better, But the fact that they left us
with those three ugliest colors. Just I just tim could
I just I just want baby, just come outside, that's all.
Just come outside to love the cosmic orange. I'm happy.
I'm happy that it matches my AirPods. That's about. That's

(57:48):
about as much as this is giving. It's just an
It's ugly. It's just ugly, and I just I wish,
I wish.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
So I'm I mean, I'm still in that week that
I could go back to Apple and exchange if I want.
I've been dancing with the idea of going back and
getting the air. I told myself, if I still feel
this way by Saturday, I'm gonna go probably trade it
in and get the air because it's in the air like.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Smaller small, but it isn't like not as.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Advance, right.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
But at the same time, I don't I don't use
my I don't use my pro for all of the
features as I'm not. I'm not that girl that's like
film and stuff. I'm not the girl that's I'm not
putting out four videos a week like like DeAndre.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I'm just not, you know. And so this is this
is about as much video as y'all gonna get out
of me is from this show. That's it.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
So I told myself, I said I would look, I
could go back to being a sort of a minimalist
in order to actually love my phone. And I think
the air I've actually held the air. I think it's
a beautiful. I think it's cute. I think it's it
may be what I need for this moment, but I
don't love. I just I want to know what the
thought process was behind this, behind the generation.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
That's all. That's all, DeAndre. What are your yes ma'am's
and your no mams for this week? Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
I guess in general, it's you know, there's a lot
of bad things going on, but we've got breath in
our bodies. The sun is shining, and we can smile,
and so that is my yes, ma'am. We got food
in the refrigerator, and we got a little bit of
money in the bank. I can supersize it sometimes when
I feel like it. And that's what I like this about.

(59:30):
I know, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Actually I would like.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
To read someone very specifically and she knows.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
She is okay, all right, I can see an email.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
I'm gonna drag this one. I'm not gonna say it name.
I receive an email from a woman and she said, Hi,
I manage people at comic conventions and I would like
to reach out to you about an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I said to.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
Myself, I don't know what I would do at a
comic con convention, but I'm not I'm very much if
you send me an email you want to work with me,
I'm gonna I'm gonna hear you out. I'm gonna see
what it is you have to offer, even if I
think that it's not the right fit. Let's just have
a conversation and see. So after we rescheduled a meeting
like twice because she ain't show up, and she missed
the first one. So I was like, okay, that's first

(01:00:14):
red flag, but I'm gonna be nice and just hear
what this person has to say. I call her on
my lunch break and I'm sitting in my car eating
a cauliflower pizza because that's my life, and so I
called it. So when I'm like, Hi, I just want to,
you know, follow up with you about this opportunity, and
she said, well, first I just need to clear something up.
Were you or were you not in Sister Act Too?

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
And I said, ma'am, what are you talking about? And
so I had posted a month and a half ago,
I had posted I had posted a clip from Sister
Act Too. This woman somehow extrapolated from this that I
was in the film Sister Act Too and so and so.
I was like what and she was like, yeah, well,

(01:01:00):
I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it
because I feel misled.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I was like, how do you feel misled?

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
You You've reached out to me, like nothing about anything
that I have in my life or on my social
I even went back to look at the post because
I posted the end of Sisteract Too where they're singing
it ain't no Mountain high enough? And I was like,

(01:01:24):
did I say in the post, Wow, I love filming
this with whoopee go? Twenty years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I did it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
This woman had just somehow got in my mind that
I was a suspect too, and I was upset. I
hung up on her at the end of the call
because she was like, well, I'm glad that we got
a chance to straighten this out. I was like, there's
nothing to straighten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Out, ma'am. Don't do your research.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
You wasted all of our time, like multiple times anyway,
so you're in my no, ma'am, you know who you are.
Get it together, really get it together, because you wasted
a lot of my time and energy. I can't know
today whatever she thought were you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
You were?

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Did she think?

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Who think?

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
I think she thought I was the Happy Day? Maybe
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I just don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
There's nothing on my profile, Like my bio doesn't say me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I just changed the title of this episode from bringing
back to Tokyo? Were you as to the title of
this l least because it has to be.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Stupid? Were you? I was like, you could have you
literally could have gone on I m BC done the
basic amount of research. Stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
That's stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
And she was a white lady, so maybe she just
maybe she thinks all of us are the same person.
Maybe we are. I'm just like, ma'am, I was like,
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
I was clear the air as if it was her
call the first like like like well, I'm glad. I'm like,
I'm glad we wrap this up, girl.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I called you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
The original subject matter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
You what?

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
What the one that they have ever since? We weren't raptured.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I love like I love.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
I love what I tell people like, I'll call them.
And then at the end they called, They're like, well,
thanks for picking up, and I'm like, I called you, girl.
You didn't don't you didn't know? I called the meeting,
not you relaxed, don't think of somebody else, right, yes,
I called the meeting right right? Anyways, okay, my yes,
ma'am's like yes, maampam. I don't know if y'all watch
these videos, but there's this woman who we rate in

(01:03:59):
part dishes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
She just rate yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
She's like ten tes put it in your honor by
like yeah, and I'm god, she's like you six seconds
the chest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
To you and your warrior and dog.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Who wants to get uber to the court, Like I asked,
no question. I live whoe is she is? I live
where you She makes me laugh. Also some of the
people make are hilarious. I'm like, what is this dish?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
T just?

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
I love like I love When she's ready to plant
trees and someone's on her, I just I live where
you are, girl, I love you so much?

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Can we also?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Can we also speaking of black TikTokers that we love,
I also want to shout. I don't know the name
of the girl, but there's this one TikToker slash creator
who's constantly throwing shade at Jlo. Any opportunity that she
gets a chance to take a dig at j Loo,
she does, and I just want to celebrate her the
because she's doing God's work. But yes, this that woman

(01:05:03):
and the other TikToker, Yes, yes, big big yes to them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
I'm screaming my noma pam okay so is also to
what's happening with TikTok because like like like uh, the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Ourguments needs to get their hands on it. Just no man,
pam to that, like like, let TikTok just be itself?

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
Why do you have to Why do you have to
make that Like and like I I understand that they're
trying to frame it as like like a security risk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Maybe I don't feel more secure with you doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
I don't feel I don't feel more secure with the
American government touching TikTok, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I actually felt better about it before, Like like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Like it's like I'm just I'm tired.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I'm so tired of like seeing trials or sessions where
like everyone's telling you we like, we don't want this
and the government's like heard anyways, So like, why am
I asking me?

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Girl?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
It makes no sense? Why ask my opinion? I just
I just I hate it here. I hate it here.
Might you come back again, try, just like one more
time for us?

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Next week?

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
There's always next week, There's always the week after. The
leads keep coming, keep trying, baby, We just we need
you to come on down here. But with that being said,
you can, just like the Rapture, you can find us online.
You can send us your thoughts, your feedback, and your
emails down to the blackfatfanpodcast at gmails dot com. You
can also send us your thoughts for your social media

(01:06:35):
by interacting with our posts on Instagram and threads. And
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(01:06:56):
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(01:07:17):
to everybody at I Heart for helping us get there,
so we really truly appreciate it. DeAndre, where can the
Dolls find?

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
You can find me on the internet at DeAndre the Giant,
like Megan b Any place where fine social media content
is fine?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Amen, Amen, Queen jo homework.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
Just speaking about just speaking about tet the dollars catches, Uh,
talk about the story, talk about that story, shout me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I just want to shot myself out about this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
So okay, it's an update.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Though, Wait because you shared about it on the show
and you were like, I don't know what's going to
come from it, So now we have an update.

Speaker 6 (01:07:55):
Yes, for a few episodes, there was a or near
near me that was SIGNI protect the doll t shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I asked them, do you donate to any proceeds to
queer spaces?

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
They said no, they don't know what the vendors do either,
and I was like, you should mark this thing down.
Or like not sell it because you're selling this messaging
for like for no reason. So I like, I like,
I I have a message. I am ding them DM
DM me them my Instagram. I was like, nothing's gonna
come of it at all, like like they won't say
anything about it, and and at and last week, a

(01:08:30):
week later, after I a message them, they spont back
to me because I made a complaint with the team
at the store and then message me and were like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
And like we like, we we got your message. We
like we're We're sorry for this missed up.

Speaker 6 (01:08:43):
We understand that I was missed up when when we
bought the shirts, like we thought the message was was
relevant to us in our audience, and like, yes it is,
but we didn't realize like what actually meant and how
it actually isn't and like I actually meant to serve
and protect core in trans fokesletely transphokes. And so from this,
we are now going to donate thirty percent of every

(01:09:04):
shirt sale to the local career center, which which you know,
I mean is a small amount, but like it's much
more than what they were doing before. And I like
like and I'm and I'm very I'm very happy that
they received the message and that response, because I mean
truth in the day like businesses like like like they
they don't owe you legally a response.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I appreciate that they focally did. And I was careful
like like I may appointed like like I like I
named them publicly, I didn't like I drave them, like
I wanted to let me handle it, like, let me
see if I can handle it privately first before anything.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
If they they respond no, then now post about it
publicly called a good day, right, And so I was
very very happy and proud for them that they will
see that that feedback and said we will make the changes.
They al said they're that they're gonna reach out to
the supplier see if if they will make those changes too.
But it probably just doesn't does not, you know, really
is really is going to be won't. It's not about

(01:09:59):
them or me whatever. But I'm very happy that they
took they took that directive and and I will be
checking up with the set of organization to make sure
that they dig your donations from that business. So I'm
gonna say, hey, you end of your campaign, I need to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Know did they do it to you or not? If not, girl,
they run you, they run, they run the dolls. Some
checks let me know. They do not own the dolls.
Some checks let me know, and I will find them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
So yeah, yeah me and go them. Yeah, and that's
a great that's just a great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Like literally for those of you who are feeling right
now like you're like, oh, nothing I do makes the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
The little it's the little ship, the little moments when
you go this is this is not right that you
may even if you feel like you're not gonna make
a big difference, little stuff like that does.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
So shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
I mean again, we don't we don't want to pat
ourselves on the back always for doing good work. But
these are the moments, like Joe Joho like this is
you should feel good because you take a moment to
truly protect the dolls and boom, like look where you're
right right, look down. The dolls have thirty percent of
a shirt. So every time they sell twenty dollar.

Speaker 10 (01:11:07):
Shirt at lease, give them something, give them, give them,
give them the weapon of it. So please, so yeah,
you can get two or three, four, five feelers son good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
I mean, still give niggas shoes. Then when you buy gives.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Across all socials say Jo nails a comment.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
If not that you will find me posted about your
business online until you catch the dolls, and if not,
then I will find you bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Yes, yes, amen, well ask for me and mind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
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Please buy the book, tell you Momy, your uncle, your auntie.
Christmas is coming up. This is a great time for
y'all to catch some of these sales and to buy
my book and give it away, honey, so please do that.
You can also find my spot on ABC America Who
I Want to Be Listen to us here Everywhere again,

(01:12:04):
Signal Awards, Signal Awards, Signal Awards. I was gonna say
something else, very cheeky, and I totally forgot what. I
totally forgot what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I guess it's just what kind of day and what
kind of week it's gonna be, My my love, but yeah, obviously,
just you know, find us, Just find us everywhere and
continue to support and love on us.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
We want to thank our.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Super producer Joy Pat and Bey Wang for making this
shit Pop and everyone over at iHeartMedia for keeping the
show up and running. We also like to thank our
wonderful editor Chris Rogers, because without him, there'd be what,
no audio, no visuals down to the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Tubes of you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
We would be naked, We'd have nothing. We'd be standing
out there singing like Whitney Hush crying in the rain, Chad,
We'd have nothing. With that being said, this has been
another show. Stay black, fat, femine, fabulous and remember what Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Women not be the cup of tea girl, but tell
them drink some water. And for those of you who
don't lacklaughter, you can choke you. You can take our
business coirl literally.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Literally that if you don't see it for us, choke
that's the easiest thing you can do. They ain't got
nothing to do with us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Joke to you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
You can chow amen. Definitely a reference.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Do you know you got thirty thirty minutes?

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Yes, thirty?

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
You know you only got thirty minutes? Yes, it's too
much to queen that. It's too much. It's too much
to queen that. I love for really, buck Dad