February 15, 2023 • 20 mins
Today we continue our conversation with author, publisher, and cultural historian Mr. Anthony T. Browder. Anthony is the Founder of IKG Cultural Resources, an educational organization that is devoted to the re-discovery and application of ancient African history, culture and wisdom. In this installment, Host Ramses Ja talks with Anthony about his various trips to Africa and how those experiences changed his life. Part 2 of a 4 part series.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now part two of our four part conversation with author, publisher, historian,
artist and educational consultant, director of the ASA Restoration Project
and founder and director of i KG Cultural Resource Center
Cultural Memory Specialist, Mr Anthony T. Browder. I am Maggie B. Nowan,
and this is a Black Information Network Daily podcast with
(00:24):
your host ramsy Jaw. You know there's UM. I always felt,
like you know, with with my name UM, with a
lot of the friends, teachers, you know, in my life
growing up, that I had a pretty accurate view, or
at least a more in depth view of what Egypt was,
(00:47):
who ancient Egyptians were, UM. And I realized that even
I had been miseducated UM. When I got to Egypt,
I like you, I saw some of the hieroglyphs that
were five thousand years old and still very much intact
(01:07):
and legible. UM. But there's something that I learned and
and I'd like to kind of get your thoughts on this,
but it's something I learned and hopefully I'm telling the
story right. Uh. The the Black history in Egypt is
more pronounced than we are taught. And this is something
that I had to learn when I was there. I
(01:28):
learned that ancient Egypt was um effectively, it was two
tribes coming together, and one of those tribes was in fact,
the Nubian tribe and the legacy of that. Uh. The
joining of those two tribes resulted in uh, the the
I'm forgetting the name. What's the name of the headdress
(01:50):
that the Farao would wear. It's like a right, right,
and then there would be a raven I believe in
a snake or serpent next to each other, and that
would represent the two tribes. Well, okay, so so I
mean I have it right, but I'd love to, uh
to expound upon that. The the the black skin tradition
(02:12):
because it's Whitewashington movies and and you know, you go
to Vegas, you see the luxor and then you see
these at best medium tone people. But there is indeed
a black skinned tradition uh in history in Egypt. Uh.
Uh Well, Ramseyes, You're you're really proving my point. Everybody
has been miss educated every place. And I can say,
(02:35):
based on my own personal experiences having studied this, this
this field of history for over forty years, after having
made um sixty five trips to Egypt over the past
forty two years after having spent fourteen and a half
years financing and participating in an archaeological excavation on the
(03:00):
west bank of Luxe of Egypt, I can say that
I have a decent understanding of this ancient history, and
I can say from personal experiences that at least of
what we've been talked to this very day is wrong.
You can throw it out the window. It's wrong. Uh.
(03:21):
First of all, most of what we know about Egypt
has been written by the conquerors of Egypt, the non
African conquerors of Egypt. And is that said, when people
write history, they tell you their story and they leave
out other people's story, or they present those other people
in an unflattering, untruthful light. That has been the case
(03:44):
with the history of Egypt. Egypt is a Greek word.
Pyramid is a Greek word, Sphinx is a Greek word.
Hieroglyphics is a Greek word. So if you cannot call
those objects or those places by their original names, you've
been miseducated. You don't know what you're dealing with, and
you don't know what you're talking about. So so that's
(04:07):
that's that's the that's the bottom line. Egypt was the
Greek name for one temple in the northern part of
the country, Hi Kappata Hi Kapata, the temple of the
car of the spirit of Patti, who was that the
nature associated with the creation of the world. His temple
(04:28):
was The name of his temple was bastardized by the Greeks.
They couldn't say Hi Kappata, and and that became a
jep tuss, which eventually became Egypt. So the name of
the entire country is named after the Greek's inability to
articulate the name of one temple. Sphinx is a Greek
(04:50):
word which means to strangle or to hold, and the
story of the Sphinx that we have been given comes
from the Greek playwright Softly Please, which is associated with
keen at APUs. So if you are relying on the
Greek version of Egyptian history to define Egyptian history, you
(05:10):
don't know Egypt. Pyramid is a Greek word which means
little flat cake. Right, So the first thing that one
has to do is deal with chronology to know what
Egypt was before the Greeks came in and renamed it Egypt.
(05:32):
Chronology who are the original founders of this ancient civilization.
You have to understand terminology, right. You have to to
know the difference between Greek words. You have to know
the difference between Egypt and Kimmy kimm it is the
original name of that country. You have to know the
difference between Um Sphinx and her Am i capt which
(05:58):
is the original name for the statue of the Greeks
called the Sphinx. You have to know the difference between
pyramid and mayor. If you don't know those differences, you
don't know squad. And so since most of us have
been fed the Greek, the Roman, the French, the German,
the British, and now the Arab interpretation of African history,
(06:21):
we don't know what's been eliminated, what's been distorted. And
to make matters worse, we don't know that we don't know,
So we speak from an air of with the narrow
confidence and authority about things that we know nothing about.
So when you know, I have this discussion with my
Egyptian fans who have lived there, all that lived in
(06:44):
Egypt all their lives and are telling me the history,
I just sit back and smile, and then I lay
out the chronology. I showed them when Arabs came into Egypt.
I showed them when in Romans came into Egypt thirty BC.
I showed them when Greeks came to Egypt in three
(07:06):
thirty two BC. And then I take them back to
the very beginning of that history and culture when there
were no Greeks, no Romans, no Arabs, just African people.
And then layout the story of the beginnings of that
culture from an African perspective, and it changes everything that
they thought they knew. Yeah, I love it. We are
(07:34):
here today with author, publisher, historian, artists and educational consultant,
director of the ASA Restoration Project, and founder and director
of I k G Cultural Resource Center Cultural memory specialist,
Mr Anthony T. Browder discussing the original architects of civilization,
African history and culture, learning more about his educational organization
(07:58):
as well as his extra or nary body of research
collected over three decades and with sixty five plus trips
to Egypt and other international destinations. So let's talk about
UM I KG, and let's talk about you know, there's
some some of the other endeavors um that you have
(08:21):
going on that will help us reconnect with UH our
actual history MHM. So I KG was the second company
that I founded. My first company, I found it in
nine nine UM and it was called UM E K
(08:44):
D East Coast Graphics. My my, my degree, my background
is in graphic design and advertising. I'm an artist at heart.
I'm training as an artist, and as a result of
that training, I have cultivated an artists. I artists, whether
they're visual artists or performing artists. Artists I primarily right
(09:07):
brain oriented. And and that right brain is that creative faculty,
is that intuitive faculty. So a properly trained artist can
look at something, can look at the building, or look
at a an object, and see things that someone who
was not trained in art can't see, you know, shapes, UH, spaces,
(09:30):
negative space, positive space, UH. Symbolism that's embedded in the
work of art says something different to an artist than
it just as someone who's not training in that art.
And so my UM the purpose of my creating my
my design studio was because I learned earlier in my life.
I learned earlier in my career that as long as
(09:52):
I worked for someone, they would never truly appreciate my value.
And I decided I didn't want to work for anybody else,
so I created my own business, So having my own
design studio affording me the opportunity to work as hard
as I wanted to work, to make as much money
that I wanted to make in order to do the
(10:14):
things that I wanted to do. And at that point
in time in my life in nineteen seventy nine, I
was interested in learning as much as I could about
the history of Asian Egypt. So I was buying books,
I was reading books. I was traveling too conferences to
meet the authors of the books that I loved. I
was able to have conversations with them and cultivate relationships
(10:35):
with them. Thus, when I traveled to Egypt nineteen eighty,
I was in a position now to synthesize all that
I've been reading and studying on my own so that
I could get a deeper understanding of what it was
I was experiencing. And when I returned to to Washington,
d C. Where I was living at that time, I
(10:57):
decided to then use my graphics as line marketing and
advertising skills to create my second business, I KG in
order to facilitate the means by which I could produce
information they would be um appealing to people who have
been socialized to not have an interest in reading and
(11:20):
not having interests in history. So if I can take
this information that I learned and distill it into you know,
bite size most sears of information that would make people
uh cultivated interest in what they were reading and and
and steer them to want to read more or learn
more about a subject, then I've got an audience that
(11:43):
I can that i can work with. So that's what
I've been doing through i KG for the past before
they one years next month. So I write like an
artist in other words, I use my words in order
to create images in the mind of the reader so
that they can see what I'm talking about. And I'm
(12:05):
also detailing information about the positive portrayal of the worldwide
African experience that butts against the negative images that every
person who has been educated in America has been brainwashed
to believe that African people have have made no contributions
(12:27):
to culture and civilization and that we are the lowest
of the low. So when you um present a counterpoint
to that based on factual information, here's the truth, here's
the evidence to back up that truth. Then what that
does is create. It changes the neural pathways of a person.
(12:48):
They start thinking differently, and as a result of thinking
differently that it changes their body chemistry and they start
feeling differently and it moves them in a different place. So,
you know, because of you know, my the time that
I have spent throughout my career associated with some of
(13:09):
the most brilliant Black psychiatrist psychologists in the world, Asa Hilliard,
Naim make bar Wade and Nobles. Because of my affiliations
with some of the most brilliant psychiatrists in the world,
Dr Francis Chris Wellesley, Richard Kane, Um, Patricia Newton, I've
gained a deep understanding of how the mind works and
(13:31):
how to present information to shift the thinking of a
person who internalizes this information says they've become a different people. Right,
So that's what I k G has been doing. Uh,
that's what our work is about. And I'm sure since
(13:51):
this interview has taken place in January, I'm sure anybody
listening to this interview will realize that were still we
still have a long way to go. You know. Governor
the Santos in Florida, his band a a an African
education curriculum, Yeah, for high schools in Florida, simply because
(14:15):
he doesn't agree with that information. So we're still fighting
wars against myths education to this very day. We still
have a long ways to go, and the work that
I'm doing is probably more relevant now than it was
at any portant time in our history. So I don't
want to gloss over this, um, but I do want
to talk about the the curriculum in schools, particularly with
(14:38):
the De Santos headlines that are making the news right now.
But before we move on, UM, I believe it's pronounced
the ASA Restoration Project. Is that? Do I have that right?
Thank you for getting that right, Yes, as Restoration Project,
So I want you to touch on that as well,
please sure h. Well, I mentioned previously, UM a psychologists
(15:01):
who had a profound impact of my life, and that
was Asa G. Hill. You the third Asia wrote the
introduction to my very first book, From the Browder Fire,
which was published in nineteen nine. ASA was one of
the founding members of the Association of Black Psychologists, an
organization that I was affiliated with UH from the nineteen
eighties to the present. And UH this was a group
(15:24):
of black psychologists who realized earlier in their careers, UH
that they have been miseducated and that they have been
taught white psychology and they knew nothing about black psychology.
So they began to study, um, the mind of black
people from the perspective of black people and our rife vote,
(15:45):
and they came up with an entirely different interpretation of
black psychologist. A matter of fact, Um, it was way Nobles,
another psychologists, also a founding member of a b side
the Association the Black Psychologists, who did his research and
found that even the word psychology, which derives from the
(16:09):
Greek word psyche and the Greek word logos knowledge of psyche,
that is word, that word psyche is derived from an
ancient African word psycho, which means spirit. So psychology is
really the knowledge of the spirit, the human spirit, that
(16:31):
aspect of your being that animates you, that connects you
with the creator and everything on earth. So African people
have a holistic approach to life and everything that that
encompasses life, both the seen and the unseen, the visible
and the invisible, the physical and the spiritual. So this
(16:53):
is a more comprehensive understanding. So ASA was one of
the principal players in this new field older study. And
it was just a wonderful human being, a wonderful brother
who kind of took me um under his wing and
was accessible to me. Asa was also doing lectures in
on Egyptian history and leading study towards the Egypt So UM,
(17:18):
A lot of what I do, a lot of what
I have done, is modeled after what I learned from
from watching and being in the presence of Asa Hilliard.
And so when he died rather suddenly in Um August
August thirteen, two thousand and seven, his death literally left
(17:42):
a hold of myself, left left a void in my life.
And one of the things that I've learned from Dr
Halliard and some of the other scholars that I referenced
earlier is that African people understand that that that the
power of spirit, the power of our ancestors. And one
of the things one knows is that when an ancestor,
(18:03):
when when a person dies and becomes an ancestor, it
is the responsibility of the living to remember that person,
to name streets after them, UH, to name buildings and
projects after them, UH, to poor libation to them, to
call their name, because it's in the calling of their name.
(18:24):
It's in the thinking of them that their spirit is
drawn to you, that they continue to live through you. So,
as a result of the sudden passing Invasive, I was
presented with an opportunity um Uh less than a year
after his death to become involved in helping to support
(18:48):
and ultimately financed and archaeological excavation in Egypt, an excavation
of what was then three dynasty tombs three cush itumbs.
So I established the ASA Restoration Project in order to
um in order to uncover the history of the Cusshke
(19:09):
presence in ancient kimmy It. The people that the Romans
referred to as Nubians were cushights Uh and kimm It
is the original name for the country that the Greeks
is called Egypt. So I'm following ASA's mandate and going
back to the source. So we wanted to be able
to substantiate the Cusshight presence in kimm It as well
(19:30):
as to honor the legacy of a c g Here
you're the third. So that organization has been in existence
for fourteen and a half years now, and fourteen and
a half years into this project. We started off in
two thousand and eight with three tombs. We ended our
season last November with thirty five tombs. So we have
(19:51):
up covered a plethora of information which is literally allowing
us to rewrite the history of the Cusshke presence and
kimm It and ultimately rewrite the history of kim And
based on actual historical information and not feel good information
that we're just pulling out of thing there simply because
we're trying to find a home for black people who
(20:15):
among the history of the people of the world. This
concludes Part two of our four part conversation with author, publisher, historian,
artist and educational consultant, director of the ASA Restoration Project
and founder and director of i KG Cultural Resource Center
Cultural memory specialist Mr Anthony T. Browder. Check back in
(20:38):
with us tomorrow for Part two with your host ramss
jaw Right here on the Black Information Network Daily Podcast
And now part two of our four part conversation with author, publisher, historian,
artist and educational consultant, director of the ASA Restoration Project
and founder and director of i KG Cultural Resource Center
Cultural Memory Specialist, Mr Anthony T. Browder. I am Maggie B. Nowan,
and this is a Black Information Network Daily podcast with
(00:24):
your host ramsy Jaw. You know there's UM. I always felt,
like you know, with with my name UM, with a
lot of the friends, teachers, you know, in my life
growing up, that I had a pretty accurate view, or
at least a more in depth view of what Egypt was,
(00:47):
who ancient Egyptians were, UM. And I realized that even
I had been miseducated UM. When I got to Egypt,
I like you, I saw some of the hieroglyphs that
were five thousand years old and still very much intact
(01:07):
and legible. UM. But there's something that I learned and
and I'd like to kind of get your thoughts on this,
but it's something I learned and hopefully I'm telling the
story right. Uh. The the Black history in Egypt is
more pronounced than we are taught. And this is something
that I had to learn when I was there. I
(01:28):
learned that ancient Egypt was um effectively, it was two
tribes coming together, and one of those tribes was in fact,
the Nubian tribe and the legacy of that. Uh. The
joining of those two tribes resulted in uh, the the
I'm forgetting the name. What's the name of the headdress
(01:50):
that the Farao would wear. It's like a right, right,
and then there would be a raven I believe in
a snake or serpent next to each other, and that
would represent the two tribes. Well, okay, so so I
mean I have it right, but I'd love to, uh
to expound upon that. The the the black skin tradition
(02:12):
because it's Whitewashington movies and and you know, you go
to Vegas, you see the luxor and then you see
these at best medium tone people. But there is indeed
a black skinned tradition uh in history in Egypt. Uh.
Uh Well, Ramseyes, You're you're really proving my point. Everybody
has been miss educated every place. And I can say,
(02:35):
based on my own personal experiences having studied this, this
this field of history for over forty years, after having
made um sixty five trips to Egypt over the past
forty two years after having spent fourteen and a half
years financing and participating in an archaeological excavation on the
(03:00):
west bank of Luxe of Egypt, I can say that
I have a decent understanding of this ancient history, and
I can say from personal experiences that at least of
what we've been talked to this very day is wrong.
You can throw it out the window. It's wrong. Uh.
(03:21):
First of all, most of what we know about Egypt
has been written by the conquerors of Egypt, the non
African conquerors of Egypt. And is that said, when people
write history, they tell you their story and they leave
out other people's story, or they present those other people
in an unflattering, untruthful light. That has been the case
(03:44):
with the history of Egypt. Egypt is a Greek word.
Pyramid is a Greek word, Sphinx is a Greek word.
Hieroglyphics is a Greek word. So if you cannot call
those objects or those places by their original names, you've
been miseducated. You don't know what you're dealing with, and
you don't know what you're talking about. So so that's
(04:07):
that's that's the that's the bottom line. Egypt was the
Greek name for one temple in the northern part of
the country, Hi Kappata Hi Kapata, the temple of the
car of the spirit of Patti, who was that the
nature associated with the creation of the world. His temple
(04:28):
was The name of his temple was bastardized by the Greeks.
They couldn't say Hi Kappata, and and that became a
jep tuss, which eventually became Egypt. So the name of
the entire country is named after the Greek's inability to
articulate the name of one temple. Sphinx is a Greek
(04:50):
word which means to strangle or to hold, and the
story of the Sphinx that we have been given comes
from the Greek playwright Softly Please, which is associated with
keen at APUs. So if you are relying on the
Greek version of Egyptian history to define Egyptian history, you
(05:10):
don't know Egypt. Pyramid is a Greek word which means
little flat cake. Right, So the first thing that one
has to do is deal with chronology to know what
Egypt was before the Greeks came in and renamed it Egypt.
(05:32):
Chronology who are the original founders of this ancient civilization.
You have to understand terminology, right. You have to to
know the difference between Greek words. You have to know
the difference between Egypt and Kimmy kimm it is the
original name of that country. You have to know the
difference between Um Sphinx and her Am i capt which
(05:58):
is the original name for the statue of the Greeks
called the Sphinx. You have to know the difference between
pyramid and mayor. If you don't know those differences, you
don't know squad. And so since most of us have
been fed the Greek, the Roman, the French, the German,
the British, and now the Arab interpretation of African history,
(06:21):
we don't know what's been eliminated, what's been distorted. And
to make matters worse, we don't know that we don't know,
So we speak from an air of with the narrow
confidence and authority about things that we know nothing about.
So when you know, I have this discussion with my
Egyptian fans who have lived there, all that lived in
(06:44):
Egypt all their lives and are telling me the history,
I just sit back and smile, and then I lay
out the chronology. I showed them when Arabs came into Egypt.
I showed them when in Romans came into Egypt thirty BC.
I showed them when Greeks came to Egypt in three
(07:06):
thirty two BC. And then I take them back to
the very beginning of that history and culture when there
were no Greeks, no Romans, no Arabs, just African people.
And then layout the story of the beginnings of that
culture from an African perspective, and it changes everything that
they thought they knew. Yeah, I love it. We are
(07:34):
here today with author, publisher, historian, artists and educational consultant,
director of the ASA Restoration Project, and founder and director
of I k G Cultural Resource Center Cultural memory specialist,
Mr Anthony T. Browder discussing the original architects of civilization,
African history and culture, learning more about his educational organization
(07:58):
as well as his extra or nary body of research
collected over three decades and with sixty five plus trips
to Egypt and other international destinations. So let's talk about
UM I KG, and let's talk about you know, there's
some some of the other endeavors um that you have
(08:21):
going on that will help us reconnect with UH our
actual history MHM. So I KG was the second company
that I founded. My first company, I found it in
nine nine UM and it was called UM E K
(08:44):
D East Coast Graphics. My my, my degree, my background
is in graphic design and advertising. I'm an artist at heart.
I'm training as an artist, and as a result of
that training, I have cultivated an artists. I artists, whether
they're visual artists or performing artists. Artists I primarily right
(09:07):
brain oriented. And and that right brain is that creative faculty,
is that intuitive faculty. So a properly trained artist can
look at something, can look at the building, or look
at a an object, and see things that someone who
was not trained in art can't see, you know, shapes, UH, spaces,
(09:30):
negative space, positive space, UH. Symbolism that's embedded in the
work of art says something different to an artist than
it just as someone who's not training in that art.
And so my UM the purpose of my creating my
my design studio was because I learned earlier in my life.
I learned earlier in my career that as long as
(09:52):
I worked for someone, they would never truly appreciate my value.
And I decided I didn't want to work for anybody else,
so I created my own business, So having my own
design studio affording me the opportunity to work as hard
as I wanted to work, to make as much money
that I wanted to make in order to do the
(10:14):
things that I wanted to do. And at that point
in time in my life in nineteen seventy nine, I
was interested in learning as much as I could about
the history of Asian Egypt. So I was buying books,
I was reading books. I was traveling too conferences to
meet the authors of the books that I loved. I
was able to have conversations with them and cultivate relationships
(10:35):
with them. Thus, when I traveled to Egypt nineteen eighty,
I was in a position now to synthesize all that
I've been reading and studying on my own so that
I could get a deeper understanding of what it was
I was experiencing. And when I returned to to Washington,
d C. Where I was living at that time, I
(10:57):
decided to then use my graphics as line marketing and
advertising skills to create my second business, I KG in
order to facilitate the means by which I could produce
information they would be um appealing to people who have
been socialized to not have an interest in reading and
(11:20):
not having interests in history. So if I can take
this information that I learned and distill it into you know,
bite size most sears of information that would make people
uh cultivated interest in what they were reading and and
and steer them to want to read more or learn
more about a subject, then I've got an audience that
(11:43):
I can that i can work with. So that's what
I've been doing through i KG for the past before
they one years next month. So I write like an
artist in other words, I use my words in order
to create images in the mind of the reader so
that they can see what I'm talking about. And I'm
(12:05):
also detailing information about the positive portrayal of the worldwide
African experience that butts against the negative images that every
person who has been educated in America has been brainwashed
to believe that African people have have made no contributions
(12:27):
to culture and civilization and that we are the lowest
of the low. So when you um present a counterpoint
to that based on factual information, here's the truth, here's
the evidence to back up that truth. Then what that
does is create. It changes the neural pathways of a person.
(12:48):
They start thinking differently, and as a result of thinking
differently that it changes their body chemistry and they start
feeling differently and it moves them in a different place. So,
you know, because of you know, my the time that
I have spent throughout my career associated with some of
(13:09):
the most brilliant Black psychiatrist psychologists in the world, Asa Hilliard,
Naim make bar Wade and Nobles. Because of my affiliations
with some of the most brilliant psychiatrists in the world,
Dr Francis Chris Wellesley, Richard Kane, Um, Patricia Newton, I've
gained a deep understanding of how the mind works and
(13:31):
how to present information to shift the thinking of a
person who internalizes this information says they've become a different people. Right,
So that's what I k G has been doing. Uh,
that's what our work is about. And I'm sure since
(13:51):
this interview has taken place in January, I'm sure anybody
listening to this interview will realize that were still we
still have a long way to go. You know. Governor
the Santos in Florida, his band a a an African
education curriculum, Yeah, for high schools in Florida, simply because
(14:15):
he doesn't agree with that information. So we're still fighting
wars against myths education to this very day. We still
have a long ways to go, and the work that
I'm doing is probably more relevant now than it was
at any portant time in our history. So I don't
want to gloss over this, um, but I do want
to talk about the the curriculum in schools, particularly with
(14:38):
the De Santos headlines that are making the news right now.
But before we move on, UM, I believe it's pronounced
the ASA Restoration Project. Is that? Do I have that right?
Thank you for getting that right, Yes, as Restoration Project,
So I want you to touch on that as well,
please sure h. Well, I mentioned previously, UM a psychologists
(15:01):
who had a profound impact of my life, and that
was Asa G. Hill. You the third Asia wrote the
introduction to my very first book, From the Browder Fire,
which was published in nineteen nine. ASA was one of
the founding members of the Association of Black Psychologists, an
organization that I was affiliated with UH from the nineteen
eighties to the present. And UH this was a group
(15:24):
of black psychologists who realized earlier in their careers, UH
that they have been miseducated and that they have been
taught white psychology and they knew nothing about black psychology.
So they began to study, um, the mind of black
people from the perspective of black people and our rife vote,
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and they came up with an entirely different interpretation of
black psychologist. A matter of fact, Um, it was way Nobles,
another psychologists, also a founding member of a b side
the Association the Black Psychologists, who did his research and
found that even the word psychology, which derives from the
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Greek word psyche and the Greek word logos knowledge of psyche,
that is word, that word psyche is derived from an
ancient African word psycho, which means spirit. So psychology is
really the knowledge of the spirit, the human spirit, that
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aspect of your being that animates you, that connects you
with the creator and everything on earth. So African people
have a holistic approach to life and everything that that
encompasses life, both the seen and the unseen, the visible
and the invisible, the physical and the spiritual. So this
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is a more comprehensive understanding. So ASA was one of
the principal players in this new field older study. And
it was just a wonderful human being, a wonderful brother
who kind of took me um under his wing and
was accessible to me. Asa was also doing lectures in
on Egyptian history and leading study towards the Egypt So UM,
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A lot of what I do, a lot of what
I have done, is modeled after what I learned from
from watching and being in the presence of Asa Hilliard.
And so when he died rather suddenly in Um August
August thirteen, two thousand and seven, his death literally left
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a hold of myself, left left a void in my life.
And one of the things that I've learned from Dr
Halliard and some of the other scholars that I referenced
earlier is that African people understand that that that the
power of spirit, the power of our ancestors. And one
of the things one knows is that when an ancestor,
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when when a person dies and becomes an ancestor, it
is the responsibility of the living to remember that person,
to name streets after them, UH, to name buildings and
projects after them, UH, to poor libation to them, to
call their name, because it's in the calling of their name.
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It's in the thinking of them that their spirit is
drawn to you, that they continue to live through you. So,
as a result of the sudden passing Invasive, I was
presented with an opportunity um Uh less than a year
after his death to become involved in helping to support
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and ultimately financed and archaeological excavation in Egypt, an excavation
of what was then three dynasty tombs three cush itumbs.
So I established the ASA Restoration Project in order to
um in order to uncover the history of the Cusshke
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presence in ancient kimmy It. The people that the Romans
referred to as Nubians were cushights Uh and kimm It
is the original name for the country that the Greeks
is called Egypt. So I'm following ASA's mandate and going
back to the source. So we wanted to be able
to substantiate the Cusshight presence in kimm It as well
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as to honor the legacy of a c g Here
you're the third. So that organization has been in existence
for fourteen and a half years now, and fourteen and
a half years into this project. We started off in
two thousand and eight with three tombs. We ended our
season last November with thirty five tombs. So we have
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up covered a plethora of information which is literally allowing
us to rewrite the history of the Cusshke presence and
kimm It and ultimately rewrite the history of kim And
based on actual historical information and not feel good information
that we're just pulling out of thing there simply because
we're trying to find a home for black people who
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among the history of the people of the world. This
concludes Part two of our four part conversation with author, publisher, historian,
artist and educational consultant, director of the ASA Restoration Project
and founder and director of i KG Cultural Resource Center
Cultural memory specialist Mr Anthony T. Browder. Check back in
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with us tomorrow for Part two with your host ramss
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