BIN Daily Podcast. February 16, 2023

Today's special guest is former Ohio State Senator, author, and political activist Nina Turner . She joins host Rames Ja to discuss a variety of topics including the State of the Union, police reform, and voting rights.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The curing social, racial, economic, healthcare, and environmental justice for
all of us is our mission every day. This is
the purpose mission statement a former Ohio Senator Nina Turner,
defending against attacks on women's healthcare freedom, partnering with and
advocating for working families, and organizing labor groups to protect

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collected bargaining rights. Nina Turner made history in two thousand
and five as the first African American woman to represent
Word one on the Cleveland City Council, and again in
two thousand and eight as the first African American woman
to serve as a state senator in Ohio's twenty five district.
A champion for criminal justice reform, she successfully loved the

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efforts to create Ohio's first Task Force on Police and
Community Relations in the wake of the tragic police killings
in Ohio and across the country, prioritizing the building of
a more robust and inclusive organizing infrastructure, as well as
activities to rally support for democratic candidates across the state
and a nation. Dedicating her life to speaking truth to

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power and with an extraordinary record of accomplishments and demonstrated
commitment to justice, Nina Turner has served as the Chair
of Party Engagement for the Ohio Democratic Party, as a
national surrogate for Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, as national co
chair for Bernie, and is currently the host of The
Young Turk's Unbossed podcast. A true humanitarian and futurist thought leader,

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you're with us to provide perspective and insight on President
Biden's State of the Union address, to discuss the current
state of American democracy and the ideals of a progressive
future that works for us. All we have former Ohio Senator, professor,
justice advocate and activist is Nina Turner. I am Maggie B.
Nollen and this is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast

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with your host ramsas Jah Misnita Turner. Welcome to the show.
How are you doing today? Thank you, Rams, It's so
good to be here with you. The pleasure is ours. UM.
I can't wait to get into our conversation. So, UM,
what we do on the show as we start at

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the beginning, UM, for our listeners who may not be
familiar with your work, UH, we want you to tell
a little bit about your story. UM, your upbringing and
you know what led you to the career path that
you're on that grew up in Cleveland, so I'm a
Midwestern girl, you know, the heart of the rust belt
and parents working poor I would say poor without the

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other oh and R in it, just really working class people.
I'm the oldest of seven children, so in that way,
I think I was born to be a leader, because
when you're the oldest and seven, I had a lot
of training and that as as I look back on
my life now, I say, yeah, that's why I'm the oldest.
But definitely a hard life. You know, links and hughes
poem Mother to Son, which I'm sure you're familiar with

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and many of your wonderful listeners. Life ain't been no
crystal stairs that packs in it and thorns in it
in places where I've never been, but I's been a climate.
So don't you give up. So that poem mother to son,
it could be mother to daughter, mother to person, But
that to me is like the foundation if you asked
me to kind of sum up my life, it is
really encapsulated in that poem and just really blessed. None

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of us arrive where we are today by just the
weight of our own ambition or perseverance. It's always because
somebody or a group of somebody is either paved the
way or we're in our ear. And that is my
story summed up. I am a mother, uh and uh
a y'all y'all a grandmother people complete. I have to

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keep saying that to myself because my grandchildren always get
mistaken for my children. So I still got that going on,
and I thank God for that. But just you know,
hard life, but a blessed life. Had the opportunity server
in the Cleveland City Council College professor, as you lay
out in my in my bio at Cuyahoo Community College
where I got my first degree of such an advocate

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of community colleges, especially for first generation college graduates, because
community colleges kind of nurture you differently than a university,
like they have time for you as a As a student,
my dream was to go to Howard University, which I
did end up taking a class or two there, but
because of my life circumstances, when I did eventually go

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to college, I couldn't leave. My mother died at the
young age of forty two years old. And for some
people who are younger than that, they may think that
that that is old, but that is very young to
die and she had a brain aneurysm, and I was
in my early twenties, and it totally changed my entire life.
And sometimes when something of that magnitude happens to somebody,

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either can make you or break you. And I thank
God Almighty that it made me. It pushed me even
in my grief and my sadness and my questioning of God.
It did force me to have a reckoning, and in
that I wanted to make my mother proud been in death.
So on my first generation college graduate, UH went on
to earn a master's you know associates, bachelor's, master's, dabbled

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with my PhD. Kind of put that on hold while
I jumped into politics. And but even as as accomplished,
as even as proud as I am of that accomplishment,
my most my greatest pride came when my son got
his degrees. Because we know that the parents get an education,
you increase that likelihood. And for me, it was about
becoming a cycle breaker. And I have done that, and

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I feel so much like I'm only getting started. So
city councilwoman, a state senator, as you laid out, had
the opportunity to run for statewide office in fourteen as
Secretary of State to beat back against secretaries of states
that we're trying to suppress the vote. Not just trying,
but they were doing it. It was the only black
candidate running either on the Democratic side or the Republican side,

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and it is so hard, as you know, for black
people to run statewide. Then had the opportunity to work
with Senator Sanders on his presidential campaign in twenty sixteen.
Just really believed in that that message of people need healthcare.
And the reason why he touched me is for two reasons.
One is the education side and also the healthcare side.
My mother died young and I'm a first generation college graduating.

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Then in I was one of his national co chairs
and just learned so very much. Right now, I'm a
fellow Senior Fellow at the Institute of Race Policy of
Political Economy at the New School Rocket with the one
and only stratification economy is Dr Derek Hamilton's and so
many other wonderful colleagues, and I have a show right

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now on the t by T Network on Boss and
writing like two books, so hopefully I don't know if
I took three minutes to sum that up and asked
me any questions I really wanted. I wanted to go
really quickly. So my son and my two grand babies
are really like the center of my life right now. Okay, okay, no,
we needed all of that. It's it's time for that,

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so don't don't hold back. We need it. So, UM,
let's let's get into some some meat and potatoes here. UM.
You know you mentioned growing up, you know, very poor.
That's an experience that you know, UM A not insignificant
amount of us can relate to. So when you think
back to, you know, your first hand experience of the

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impact of income inequality, environmentally triggered triggered and inflamed health
conditions UM, and problems with our health health care system
as I'm sure that you know you're acquainted with. UM,
how would you say things have changed for black families
from then and now? And uh, what sort of progress

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has been made um or has not been made in
those areas? Well? It's mixed. Certainly things have changed, there's
no doubt about it. The question becomes have they changed
quick enough or deep enough? Or mainly? Have they changed
deep enough? In some instances yes, and some instances no.

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I mean, the social economic indicators for most Black families
are pretty much the same, pretty much unchanged, and in
some cases worse. Black children still go to schools that
are inadequately funded, are not as good as other schools
and other communities. That is still very much a reality.
The income wealth gap between or the wealth gap between

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black families and black individuals compared to white families and
white individuals, that golf is still extraordinarily wide, so much
so that even black children born to solidly middle class families,
black families have no guarantee that they can sustain that.
And then even if we expand out beyond our our

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black people, a lot of families these days can't guarantee
like the previous generation, can't look into the eyes of
the of the current generation and say that your life
is going to be better. And so for black people
it is even worse because we're starting four hundred years behind.
Many promises have been made to us from the political
on the political side of the ledgers, and not many

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of those promises have been kept. And I'm not talking
about a few individuals who have achieved greatness, hey, I'm
all about that. I am talking about deep seated generational
change that only comes from systemic change, by which only
the federal government mainly, I shouldn't say only, but the
federal government has the biggest stick to be able to
make those things happen. So economically, socially, politically, environmentally, racially,

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black people are behind the the uptick in white supremacy
in our faces up again. I mean, we might as
well go ahead and put up the white water fountains
and the colored water foulas, because they all up in
our face. All we have to do is look to
Florida for example. That crazy Trump got one thing right,
naming that dude the sanctimonious. So that is exactly what

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he is. He is using his power to try to
rewrite a type of history that never existed in this country,
very reminiscent of what happened to black people the sixties
and the fifties, and very reminiscent if we go all
the way back to the founding of this nation, and
that blackness was always seen as inadequate or somehow dangerous, right,

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and it was always vilified, and so black bodies marred
and and and salked with uh with with hatred. And
I'm being kind when I say hatred because we were
dehumanized on so many levels. You fast forward to the century,
we see we see imprints of that, so as as

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as far as we've come with the Civil Rights Act
and the Voting Rights Act, and you know, black folks
doing their thing in sports and entertainment, all beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful,
But the vast majority of our people are still suffering
and struggling. I can't look in the eyes of my
son or my grandchildren to tell them that they're gonna
have it better, or that all that I've worked for
will submit for them for the rest of their lives.

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A sturdy foundation can't say it to them. And many
black families who are even less accomplished and than I
am at this stage in my life, and I grew
up poor, they can't say the same thing. So as
much as things have changed, they still pretty much remain
the same for black people when we look at how
we measure progress socially, economically, politically, and environmentally. I appreciate

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your response. I can. I can since your emotion there,
and and I shared that emotion with you. I'm a
father myself, and one of the things that I worry
about is you know, I have two sons, Um, I
don't know if they will know the things that I know.
And I know that I don't know the things that

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my father knew, and that concerns me because I won't
be here forever. And if they don't know what I know,
and they cannot know what I know, then will they
be as equipped to take on the world. And at
to that that I never felt like my sons were born.

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My sons certainly are not. We're not born to die, um,
but you know, born to fight. You know, it's a
part of you know, being a man, and and you
know blackness in America. I think that everybody does their
part to kind of push you know, the agenda forward,
but uh, they haven't found in either of them the
same spirit that you know, that rage against the machine

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type spirit. And uh I always want to think that
that's okay and they don't have to fight they can be,
but I also recognize that the world that we live
in the country we live in does not allow that
for for black skinned boys and men, nor does it
allow for black skinned girls and women. And so um, again,

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I completely uh understand the emotion behind what you're saying
there and I recognize there's a lot to do and
a lot of work to do on the political side,
especially because as you mentioned, that's that's where we can
make the biggest impact. So let's lean into that for
a bit. Um. You know, Joe Biden just delivered the

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State of the Union address. Um, so if you could
give us your thoughts on how he did and uh,
you know, let's let's go over the topics that he covered. Uh.
And but it's sort of what you felt in terms
of was it performative? You know, do you really think
that there's there's some momentum there, something we can do
and carry some some energy into this year into next

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year as well. On the positive side, the President was
very much himself. I mean, you could tell that he
was very comfortable in his skin and being very conversational.
And that's really the best that I could say about
the State of the Union. Overall. I do think that
it was performative. I want our people, I want all people.

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We talk about black people, so we center in black people.
I want our people to stop being adduced by symbols
and look at the substance of the thing. The Nichols
family was there. My heart ache just seeing them there. Right,
they were putting aside their grief for that brief time
that they were there at the State of the Union,
which is an honor right. President United States asked you

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to come, you come, So this is no nothing on
the Nichols family. They were there and they set aside
their grief for that moment to say to the world,
we need some reform in policing. Beautiful that they were there. However,
this president said to the family of George Floyd, We're
gonna pass the Joy Floyd Police. And that didn't happen

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when the Democrats had control of two chambers of the
Congress and the presidency, so they got three lovers of power,
and they did not deliver on that. For black people,
they owe us more than that. But they couldn't even
do that. Did John Lewis Voting Rights Act didn't do that?
You know, they took away the ability of rail workers,

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which we know it's black people in other of our
sisters and brothers who identify in other ways. Took away
their right to strike, which is the most powerful tool
that the working class has. So when this man and
you know, talking about fitting all deaths and all of
the most of what he said that night, for me,
were things that the Democrats should have achieved in the

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last Congress, which was the hundred and seventeen Congress. And
the reason why I want our you know, your listeners
to understand that is that power is a finite force,
and when you have it, you never know whether or
not you're gonna keep it. They knew that the mid
term elections were coming in that there would be a possibility,
unless they were so arrogant, that they might lose one

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of the houses. So why not make policy like somebody
else's life depends on it? Because most of those people
who serve in that Congress, and certainly this president, they're
gonna be set for life. This president's kids and his
kids kids, and as kids kids, they don't have to
worry about much economically and socially and politically for the

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most part. But big Mama's kids and Big Papa's kids
in the hoods all over this country, they can't say
the same thing. So that's why I'm saying, they need
to make policy like somebody else's kids lives depend on it,
and they've lost the ability to do that. To say
that the economy is doing well because you use the

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unemployment indicator that people have job people are working, the
question becomes what type of jobs do they have and
do they have to work two or three of them
to make ends meet, there by diminishing their quality of
life because now they can't spend time with their families
or if they are single, you know, rolling in this
world by themselves. They can't do for themselves because they're
working three and four jobs. And that's what I mean

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by substance over symbols. Sixty three percent of Americans live
paycheck to paycheck in the United States of America. They
don't have universal healthcare there, and if they are insured,
many folks are underinsured. You won't step to the plate
on the pharmaceutical industry when he when he gave that
fitting off stat which is right, I think he said,

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seventy thousand, okay, Mr President, Then what are you gonna
do to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable for those deaths?
Because it is because of them that people are literally
dying in the United States of America. So I just
found it empty. And to see Democrats bouncing up and down,
you know, clapping because they side to pick their team,

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I'm thinking do y'all go home, Do you go to
the district. Do you talk to Big Mama and Big
Papa in the hoods when they misunderstood, because if you did,
they would tell you that that rosie picture that this
president just painting and you popping up and down and clapping.
Ain't they reality? They can't afford eggs, they can't afford
the gas. The rent is too damn high. You know,

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there was a brother that read, I forget what year.
I think it may have been two thousand and six,
and I need memorized his brother's name, but you can
look him up. But he ran. He said his party
it was rent is too damn high. He was ahead
of his time, because the rent is definitely too damn high,
and so is everything else. So they're in the bubble.
They're not in the streets at the State of the
Union matters, but the state of the streets matter more,

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and that is what was missing from that speech. We
are here today with former Ohio Senator, Professor, justice advocate
and activist Miss Nina Turner, gaining her perspective and insight
on President Biden's State of the Union address, Discussing the
current state of the nation's democracy, as well as the

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perspective ideals of a progressive future that works for us all.
So how about this, what would you say to first off,
you came to the right place. I'm with you, okay,
we were here, were together. Indeed we are because you
you and a lot of things I've been saying on

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the radio and on this show for the past few days. Um.
But what would you say to someone who says, well, Um,
Republicans are very crafty in mounting their opposition. The filibuster
was weaponized, as it has been for decades, um, against

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democratic efforts. Um. What would you say to folks who
say that there were some uh Democrats but only in
name that you know, stood in in opposition or held
you know, these these various bills hostage for you know,
or or weaken the bills or otherwise, you know, like

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I said, stood in the way of them, you know,
making it across the finish line. Um. What would you
say to people that would mount that argument, uh, to
to say that it was there were other forces besides
the president. The president has been operating in good faith.
I would tell them that what they enumerated factually correct,

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but they got to shift their expectation. We have certainly
been seducing this country to accept bread crumbs, to accept
that the people with the greatest amount of power cannot
change anything. I got higher expectations of my list than
we do with some of these politicians who are the
most powerful people in the world. I would say that
this president neglected to use the bully pulpit and all

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of his might to do away with the filibuster. When
he was asked early on when he first got there,
he said, I don't want to touch the filibuster. So
it is very much his fault, along with the Democrats
in name only. We knew that Cinema Mansion were so
called Democrats in name only. That that's not new, Mr President,
How are you gonna use the bully pulpit? I certainly

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remember studying uh Lyndon Baines, President Lyndon Baines Johnson, and
also President Fdr. Flaws and all but Lyndon Baines Johnson.
And even as he called black work black people the
in word, you know, southern man from the South, he
understood this and he was about making a legacy. Whether
he did these things for moral reasons or political reasons.
What he did was leveraged power in a Congress where

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most of those members of Congress wore their bigotry on
their suits like they wear the American flag pin on
their suits today. Lending bangs. Johnson letting folks know almost
said a cusse for he let them know these two
things I'm gonna get done, the Civil Rights Act and
the Voting Rights Act, and somebody, somebody gonna get hurt

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if I don't get these done. He did the care,
then the stick. And you mean to tell me that
this president, who was navigated the House of Representatives and
the US Senate and was even the vice president for
the first black president of the United States of America,
can't get some stuff done on behalf of black people.
I would say, we need to stop allowing him and
others to use excuses. We knew that cinema mansion, mansion

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got invited to the White House several times. Instead of
the President having a press conference and letting this brother know,
I tell you what, I'm about to gas up the
jet and I'm coming to West Virginia, and I'm gonna
let West Virginia is the all Americans know who's standing
in the way of my agenda to change material conditions. Now,
Joe Mansion, either you're gonna stand in this press conference
with me and tell the people you're rocking with me,
or I'm coming to a community near you. Get go ahead.

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Air Force Air Force one, Air Force Well is getting
gassed up. So, in other words, we cannot allow these
people to make they making excuses. He didn't want to
get away, he didn't want to do away with the Philipbuster.
In some ways, we might not want to admit this,
but I think Mansion and Cinema were convenient excuses for
the Democrats to do a whole lot of nothing that

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they didn't want to do, and that people were hiding
behind those two as an excuse to not get these
things done. That's a that's an interesting way of looking
at it. I appreciate that because you know, I think
that you're right, and I always admit this. Um. You know,
obviously around here we have to pay attention to the
media what's going on and the popular narrative that was

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fed to the American public, And I'll admit that to
a degree, I kind of bought into it too. Was
that you know, um, like I said, you know, well,
these guys want to do these things. Um, but there's
some some strong opposition in key places where you know,
it just makes it impossible. Right. But um, the reason
I can I make one I'm sorry for coun Just

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on another point, I want to draw people's attention to
the first year of the term, when you know the
living increased the minimum wage, certainly seven since eleven, nowhere
near a living wage, but it would increase the minimum wage.
Federal minimum wage has not been increased since twenty eleven.
This president and this Congress had an opportunity to do

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this when Democrats had control, but instead they put the
blame on the parliamentarian people got to peep the game.
So this is this is a kind of what I
was saying. Um. So the reason I said, it's a
small part of me that feels like, okay, maybe there
was some some strong opposition and key strategic areas that
prevented you know, this progress that we voted for. I

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also felt like, well, I I witnessed four years of
the previous administration bully their way through pretty much every
level of politics and accomplished what it is they absolutely
set out to do, and they birdosed with full support
with parcel support whatever they got it done. And UM,
I think most importantly the energy there. He didn't get

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the wall built, sure, but the energy was there. So
it didn't feel performative in the same way that some
of the other things that we're seeing now feel performative.
So I agree with you. When I listened to the
State of the Union address, I felt there were some
things that were performative and some things let me feel like, Okay,
maybe he listened and and so I wanted to lean
into that now if I may, UM, as you mentioned

(24:58):
the parents of Tyree Nichols, Uh, we're in the audience,
and he touched on policing reform. No, policing reform is
something that is of particular importance to me. UM. But
I'd love to ask you UH, in your idea or
your UH assessment rather how how how did he handle

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his approach to at least articulating what needs to be
done and what will be done with respect to UM
reimagining policing in this country. And I'd like to ask
you as well, what is reimagining UH public safety look like?
In your opinion? I have no problem with the rhetoric
that he used or in your words, his articulation. Yes,

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certainly do. I believe that he has some compassion in
his heart for the Nichols family what happened to them
and others, No doubt about that. But the man is
the president of the United States of America if they
really wanted to join, And I know he did some
executive orders, but we know what happens with his executive orders.
They're easy, easier to overturn than law. The law can

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be overturned right and ignored right, because the Supreme Court
shows us very clearly. So we got that. But people
got to get the stuff to the Supreme Court, and
that's why we need Congress to act. So that's my
That's how I feel about it. Yeah, saying those nice things,
having that family there, Hey, all right, you did that,
But now what are you gonna do beyond that? You're
the most powerful man walk in the face of the earth.

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What are you going to do? What sacrifices are you
gonna make? Whose apple card are you going upset? Whose
day are you going to ruin? In the power classes?
You're not gonna do any of that. The crazy thing
is that, you know, I think you're absolutely right, it seems,
and I don't want to be naive, but it seems
pretty simple. Um from our position, I don't want to

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be naive again. I I it might be more complicated
than I'm imagining, but it's not nearly as complicated. It
cannot be nearly as complicated as as it's made out
to be, especially for as long as it has been
a barrier to progress for black people in this country's

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And he was the author of the crime Bill, so
he need he got a whole lot of cleaning up
to do. He got a whole lot of let me
confess my sins here and making crooked paths straight. As
one of the authors of the crime Bill, he should
be number one to three, four and five in line
to try to correct some wrongs here. And that means
putting the full force and weight of his presidency on

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trying to get this change. Now. Can all of this
change happen on the federal level. Absolutely? Now. We need
state level, we need regional level, we need local level,
We need all the levels of government to understand that
the way that not just law enforcement, but the legal
system itself is rigged has been that way since the beginning.
The relationship that our community has with the notion of
policing came from slave patrols. It was never the protect

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and serve our black bodies. It was the lord over
our bodies, to control our black bodies. And we got
to admit that as a nation. Now, what we're gonna
do about it? And the fact that having black people
or women on police departments does not necessarily mean that
we're gonna get a different result, because the entire system

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is white supremacy in action, and you're asking law enforcement
officers to do something different than how they were socialized
in the world, and that comes for all of us. So, yes,
do some black law enforcement or Hispanic or women do
some of them? Do their presence matter? Absolutely some? But

(28:39):
to say that just diversifying the ranks of police departments
or law enforcement agencies across this country will saw the
conundrum of white supremacy and anti blackness. We saw it
living and living color that that in and of itself,
without hiring people who have some capacity to love and
understand and deeply want to serve the black community and

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other marginalized community. Just putting a black face in those
places do not does not change it. It is what
is in them and those five men plus that one
white man they tried to hide. But let me just
focus on the five black men. They are Uh, they
are an embarrassment. They are staying on the black community.
And I argue that if they were a teacher, a doctor, lawyer,

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or street sweeper with the mentality that that they had,
there's no profession that they would have done excellently. So
no amount of training can change their hearts because their
hearts are rotten. Am by saying that training doesn't matter, no,
I'm not saying that. And by saying that diversifying law

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enforcement agency doesn't matter, no, I'm not saying that. But
it is a substance of a person that comes into
that space. They hold the power of life and death
in their hands with that badge and that gun. And
trust me, my baby, my millennial son is in law enforcement.
And I know traffics, I can go wrong. I get it.
Many a police officer has been killed just by a

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just stopping pulling somebody over. There ain't done anything, I
get it. But the system itself, we're not talking about
just individuals, and that is what this country fails to realize.
This president gave more money to law enforcement agents instead
of giving more money for education instead of giving more
money for health care. So every time the Black community

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makes an excuse for him anybody else that is elected,
it breaks my heart. We must stop being complicit in
our own demise, and we must stop loving elected officials
more than we love ourselves and our babies. I'm gonna
like you. I may like your swag, like how you
move in the world. That's fine, but business is business.

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What have they done for us, to quote the great
Janney Jackson, what have they done for us lately? Not
a whole lot. And part of it is our fault
because we ain't even a mystery, you know, Black men.
We used to be the mistress. These mistress get some
trinkets every now and then we're just side piece. Side
piece gets nothing. And it is a shame because it
is an insult to our ancestors, is an insult to us,

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and it is an insult to generations yet unborn. That
we are allowing ourselves to be played by the duopoly
in this country. And because we get most of our
boats over to the Democratic Party is why I call
the Democratic Party out the most, not letting the Republicans
off the hook either. We've got to do this again.
I'm we do this again. We absolutely can't. Before you go, though,

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I know time is short, do me a favor. I
would love for you to talk about the Hello Somebody podcast.
Let people know where they can tap in and get
more of your content, your social media website, all that
sort of stuff. Well, thank you so much for this,
and it was such an honor to be with you,
and I would love to come back. Thanks to your team,
to your amazing team of Maggie and Chris. So Hello

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Somebody is something I was doing on the I Heart
Radio on the Black Effect Network with the one and
only Charlotte Magne, the god they could. People can go
and look at that or get that on wherever they
get their podcast. I'm not doing that anymore. But if
they want to go back and um find some of
the past, uh, some of the past shows, they can
certainly do that. But right now, I am the host

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of a show on the t y T network, Unbossed
with Nina Turner, and people can go to YouTube. Just
put in unbost YouTube Nina Turner and it will come
right up. And they can't subscribe for free on Twitter.
I am Nina Turner on on the GRAM. I am
Nina Turner, Ohio. I think on every other every other
like social media, I'm Nina Turner, Ohio and on but

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on Twitter, I'm Nina Turner. Okay, Well, thank you so much.
I appreciate you staying as long as you have. It's
been on We've been looking forward to it. H And
of course I appreciate your insight on all these things
that matter to all of us, and clearly they matter
to you as well. Uh. And I'd like to thank
you for your commitment to inform, inspired, and prosperous future
of our black community. Once again, today's guests this former

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Ohio senator, professor, justice advocate, and activists, Miss Nina Turner,
and thank you for what you do. You are a
gift to the world, and I look forward to coming back.
In her speech at the National Action Networks Martin Luther
King March in Washington, d C. Educating and inspiring the

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crowd in every word of her address, is Nina Turner
closed her statements highlighting the following life advice she had
received from her grandmother. Quote. When I asked Grandma, what
does it take to be successful in life? She said,
all you need are the three bones, the wishbone, the jawbone,
and the backbone. She said. The wishbone will keep you

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hoping and dreaming, because hope is the motivator, but the
dream is the driver. The jawbone is what will give
you the courage to speak truth to power. But the
most important bone of them all is the super caliphagilistic
xpialidocious bone. It is the backbone because it'll keep you
standing through your trials and tribulations unquote, reminding the masses

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and that powerful speech that we can't have a testimony
without a test and leaving her audience with a riveting
confirmation and call to action. Let us leave today's conversation
with those same sentiments, pressing forward towards change for the better,
standing firm and knowing that the black community has successfully
overcome similar hardships in the past to what we are

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facing today. With our unwavering faith, commitment to community, and
commitment to constructive action, let us stand firm and our
knowing that we will indeed continue to overcome. This has
been a production of the Black Information Network. Today's show
is produced by Chris Thompson. If you have any thoughts
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