Black Information Network Daily Podcast. March 17, 2023

Here is the 2nd half of our discussion with author, justice advocate, and Founder of Black Cops Against Police Brutality, Dr. De Lacy Davis. 

 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now part two of our two part conversation with
retired sergeant, community policing educator, author, humanitarian injustice advocate, founder
of Black Cops Against Police Brutality, doctor de Lacy Davis.
I am Maggie Bowen, and this is the Black Information
Network Daily Podcast with your host Ramsas Jah. You know,

(00:27):
this is interesting, this intersection of you know, all these
various thoughts and areas of study and these societal and
sociological checkpoints, because you know, you mentioned earlier about how
Martin Luther King Junior Boulevard and every city is always

(00:51):
in the hood, right, And I was reading this this
might have been maybe sometime earlier this week. I was
reading this that that was intentional too, and that had
to do with the I think it was a facet
of what we know of as redlining. Redlining of course
as its own thing, that there were other less well

(01:14):
known instances of effectually the same thing, same practice of redlining, right,
and that was a way to kind of delineate. Naming
it after doctor King, Naming street after doctor King was
a way to delineate the black part of town from
where your investments were more secure. Right in commercial real
estate or residential real estate. And then now we're talking

(01:37):
about how all of these institutions and all these various
facets of society, all of them privilege white people and
disadvantage black people, all of them. And you know, it's
it's it's interesting to make those connections at that point.
And so I appreciate you kind of outlining that this
conversation so far has gone well beyond what I thought

(02:01):
the boundaries would initially hold for me. But um, I
don't want to to to keep the listeners waiting too
much longer. You and I we could talk forever. In fact,
that you're you're common about the two NFL players playing
in the Super Bowl U for the first time is
a conversation I had on my radio show, not not

(02:22):
twelve hours ago. So yeah, so you know we're right there.
But Tyree Nichols, we need we need to talk about that.
So um, you're you've been very outspoken and publicly have
stated that the incident with Tyree Nichols was a failure
and responsibility of failure and accountability and a failure in integrity.

(02:47):
So um, let's let's kind of peel back some layers there.
What does that exactly mean? For our listeners today. So,
as a season veteran police, when I think of what
I saw on the video, however horrific it was, and
it was, I have to look at it through an

(03:09):
academic lens and a practitioner lens, right, And so folks
like me, most of the generally, the experts are criminologists
who study the behavior of crime and in the whole field.
And then the practitioners are those that we're talking about,
the police officers. I'm what we call a pracademic, right,
I practice and I study, And so when I take

(03:31):
a look at it, the question I asked for a
unit like the Scorpion is who was responsible for the unit?
And we know ultimately it's the chief of police, but
they're supposed to be a commander there, a commander over
the unit, a captain, a lieutenant, a sergeant, and the
chief foreshadowed when she gave her interview that morning before

(03:51):
we got the release of the videos, her first interview.
I saw her interview, and she foreshadowed these things that
I'm raising now, and that was we have a span
of control issue. Now. She didn't tell the public what
that meant, but I knew what it meant. There's a
span of control that's considered reasonable for any supervisor. Six
maybe seven people in your span of control. That's a lot,

(04:13):
but maybe five to six is reasonable number of people
to supervise. But I understand that in Memphis the span
of control is ten or more, which means that you
have somehow as a supervisor, have to monitor what ten
people are doing. That's a big number, especially when we're
talking about folks with death on this side. Right, They've
got the ability to determine who lives and who dies.

(04:34):
So who's responsible was the question I raised in terms
of responsibility. The second thing was accountability. Well, people have
to be held accountable. There was no supervisor anywhere on
the radio taking control over the chase or the scene.
So you don't have to be in the unit to

(04:55):
take command and control. You simply need to be a supervisor.
But now they had a duty to intervene. But that's
a different conversation as a supervisor in any division. The
patrol division got supervisors there no one said a word,
And it is that silence that was golden for me,
because I got ten pages of notes that I'm taking.
But what I'm also listening to is that No one

(05:18):
is saying, cut off the chase. No one is saying
what's he wanted for. No one is saying the penalty
for reckless driving is not the death penalty. Therefore, we
don't need to commit this level of resources to finding
someone whose car is left behind with a lightning plate
on it and cameras everywhere to run them down and

(05:39):
hunt them down like slave catchers, like a mob, like
a posse, like a gang, like hops who have devolved,
not evolved, but devolved into the same behavior that is
the foundation of policing in America. You know, there's there's

(05:59):
some thing I want to add to this, and I
said this on my my same radio show, Civic Cipher.
You know you you mentioned the Scorpion Unit. And you
know when I when I saw that video. I watch
all those videos, well half of them, my co host
watches the other half because we don't want to become
desensitized to um violence against black and brown bodies. But

(06:26):
this one we both had to watch. Obviously we needed
to speak about it. And one of the things that
I took away from the video is that when I
watched it, I didn't see well, rather, I saw four
police officers five police officers beating up Tyrene Nichols. But

(06:50):
I didn't see four black men, right. I know that
it was black men punching and kicking and all that.
But what I saw was and a situation where there
were police officers beating up a black man. And so
the fact that there were these connections made that were
in my opinion, stretches, you know, as you mentioned, and

(07:13):
people trying to interject that ludicrous narrative, that black on
black narrative, the prevalence of black on black crime and
so forth. In fact, the president of the Black Information
Network had a conversation with me as he was talking
to one of our advertisers, saying that, well, that's a
shame about Tyree Nichols black on black crime. It's just

(07:33):
someone needs to do something about black on black crime,
when the fact of the matter is that what I
saw or police officers being police officers and using their
advantages as police officers. As you mentioned, they have weapons,
they can decide who lives and dies. They have a
device they carry on their persons only purpose is to
end the life, has no other function, only to end

(07:55):
the life, and they carry it with them and then
they're beating, and you know, I can only imagine what
those last moments are for Tyree consciousness, what his life
must have been like, not fully knowing my imagination, as
he never knew what he was, why that was happening
to him. With that in mind, I want to kind

(08:21):
of peel back that a little bit more, and I
think that you're just a person to do it. You
wrote a book once upon a time called Black Cops
Against Police Brutality, a crisis Action in Plan, and I
want you to tell us kind of the reason for
writing that book and why that's important now what readers

(08:43):
can get from it now. So I wrote the book
because I knew I was going to retire in twenty
years and not twenty five, because I'd had enough of
policing as I had understood it, and I wanted to
get out clean. And so I left with fifty percent
of my pension and no matter as opposed to staying
twenty five years and getting seventy percent of my pension

(09:03):
and medical for life. But I said I would not
leave the police department because I don't when I started,
I will only plan to be there ten years to
do my music thing and go. So I did double
what I said I would do. I said to myself
as a goal, I would not leave and until I
left an instrument in place for the community before I left.
And so that became the Crisis Action Plan, a how

(09:26):
to book on dealing with police violence, misconduct and abuse,
teaching our community how to develop a council of elders,
helping young people understand when stopped by the police, what
to do on a motor vehicle stop when they come
knocking at the door, or when the police stop you
on a street corner, helping them understand how to do
an analysis quickly to know the difference between a war

(09:48):
and a battle. A wars when you risk it all
and you may lose it all up to including your life.
A battle is a fight that you can afford to
walk away from, run from, hide from, and live to
fight another day. So that the basis for that if
we were and we're now looking at doing another edition now,
a revised edition, because that was released in two thousand

(10:10):
and six, and while I would say seventy five percent
of it is still relevant, there's the twenty five percent
that needs to be updated because it was pre iPhone.
It was it was pre gang, enhanced penalty laws. It
was pre a lot of those things, but the foundation
of it was still solid that when you have this
kind of case. So, for example, we did the Lionel

(10:32):
tape case. That's the twelve year old in Fort Laidael,
Florida did the wrestling move killed six year old Tiffany
Unich and he was sentenced to life without the possibility
of parole by the judge at twelve like, yes, he
should be punished, but do we throw him away for life?
And so we were involved in that case, and I
flew down there seven times, and I was recommended by

(10:52):
our brother who I had locked up for drug addiction
for selling drugs and he was now in a rehab
clinic there trying to get from drug addiction. And he
saw the mother and says, hey, there's a cop in
New Jersey could help you. And so we got involved
there and three years later, after Johnny Cockman took the case,
we did the appeal, We organized and we walked. I
walked Lanel out of jail on January twenty six, two

(11:13):
thousand and four. But it was not without a lot
of help from a lot of people. And so I
had to put in place where we called the Council
of Elders. The folks that were going to be the
go to for his mother, Kathling Gross It take the
person that she could trust, the people that would say
to her when no one else would tell her what
the truth is, tell her the truth, and then walk
every bit of the walk with her. So those are

(11:35):
the things that were in the book. Josiah Reynolds, who's
I know you asked? Your producers asked me earlier about
my first witnessing a police violence on my own department.
Oh well, Josiah Reynolds was a young police officer in
eastern New Jersey, had just gotten on the force. But
he was walking down the street off duty and Elizabeth,
New Jersey and neighboring town where he had tried to
get on the force, and they would never let him on.
So they happened to see a gun, they say, in

(11:56):
a badge, and they thought he had stolen and was
impersonating the police. So they apped him up on the
street and beat him down on the street and then
put him in a cellblock with other inmates, even after
they had his wallet, his gun, and his badge, and
so while Josiah Reynolds and I were not friends at all.
I didn't like him and he didn't like me. When
I found out about it, we protested, and we protested
continually until he could get justice, and so with friends

(12:17):
to this day's retired lieutenant. But he writes in the
book at the very beginning, I couldn't stand this mofo
describing me, and he couldn't stand me. But he was
fighting for me like I was a relative of his,
because that was also captured in the book. And then
the next chapter is written by sister Emma Jones, whose
son Malik Jones, was shot nineteen times by the police

(12:39):
in new Haven, New Haven, Connecticut in nineteen ninety seven
on April fourteenth, at the corner of Grandon Murphy. He's
only accused of driving a car recklessly with his friend
Samuel in the car. East Haven police officer flot Chus
goes after him, chases him from east Haven to New
Haven and jumps the car and reaches into the car

(13:01):
to turn off the key. Every cop of worth the
Salt knows nothing put his hand in the window and
as a result he gets dragged. He shoots Malik in
the chest. He after he fires the first shot, and
his transcript said the following I fired the first shot,
and he gave me a go to hell. Look. So
I fired several more shots into a body. And so,
and I've been with that family and and sister Emma

(13:22):
for years now, and so in the book we talked,
we have her right about it. She talks about meeting
me as a police officer and her family being angry
that she brought a black cop to their home after
the son had been killed by a cop, not knowing
that I would go the entire distance with that family.
And it's only been in twenty twenty that we were
able to get a civilian review board finally passed as

(13:42):
a law in New Haven, Connecticut, when we started this
journey in nineteen ninety seven. Together we are here today
with retired sergeant community policing educator, author, humanitarian and justice advocate,
founder of Black Cops Against Police Brutality, doctor de Lacy
Davis discussing the killing of Tyree Nichols by the Memphis PD,

(14:04):
the history and evolution of policing in America, and why
it is that cops are killing instead of protecting. If
I may, I want to kind of go off script
a bit here. I saw the State of the Union
address we're able to watch that. I did watch. I
was watching for one segment in particular, when he wanted

(14:28):
when he got to talking about you know, tyree and
police reform and so forth, and he said a few things, Actually,
I have my notes from last night. Where are there? Okay?
He wanted to increase training, and he wanted to develop

(14:50):
higher standards for the officers. He wanted to have more
first responders to address growing mental growing mental health crisis,
and substance abuse issues. He wanted additional resources to reduce
violent crime and gun crime. He wanted community intervention programs.

(15:11):
And the one thing that stood out to me as
being maybe less in the way of performative if he
actually were to follow through on it and showed to
me that he had been listening. Because I full disclosure,
I was a big fan of the ideas behind the
defund the police initiative, the ideas in terms of investing

(15:35):
in community initiatives that really do impact crime rates and
doing that instead of giving police more money. We've seen,
certainly in my city, police buying literally tanks, you know
where nobody else has tanks, and you know, it just
kind of feels a little bit like overkill, literally, So

(15:55):
when he said that he wanted to make investments in housing,
education and job training to have a real impact on
crime rates, where there's actually been track records, proven track records,
that that makes a difference. I want to get your
thoughts on what President Biden said in terms of his
addressing the issues pertending to policing, in particular policing with

(16:21):
respect to the black community. So let me say a
lot of things we're talking about. Very often we hear
folks talking about treating the symptom and not the root. Cause.

(16:43):
When people are hungry, they will do what they have
to do to survive. When people are miseducated and don't
know who they are, they will behave like what you
design them to be. When people don't when people cannot
make a living wage, they will do what they need
to do the supplement and take care of their families.
That's the foundation of a lot of what we see.

(17:04):
I adopted four children while on the police force as
a single man. My mom helped me to raise them
until her passing in twenty twelve. The youngest child was
eleven or twelve. The oldest about sixteen seventeen. My youngest
adopted child is now thirty four years old. My oldest
is forty. I'm a girl then, and I have one
birth daughter who is thirty one. Those four children that

(17:26):
my mother helped me bring in from the streets where
I worked as a police officer, we change the trajectory
for the outcome of their lives. One of whose diagnosed
bipolars gets too effected violently molested by a family member.
The other one, oppositionally defiant, father is doing life, and
mother has mental health challenges. I don't know how much

(17:48):
better or worse, but I know that when I met
my first adopted daughter, I was told that she would
always need help, and they were right. And so she's
lived in three states in the last four months, last
four months, four to six months, and she's finally just
come back to New Jersey and I have her with
her birth sibling. But I recognize the resources that we

(18:12):
had to put in to try to keep her stable,
the resources, the partial programs that you need, the love
that she needs, the education that she needs. She's diagnosed
with discocality, I mean, she has dyslexia with numbers. So
now we've got to get specialists to come in and
help her count do mental man one two, three, four five,
because she can't count that in her head. But she's brilliant.

(18:36):
She's an actress. She can recite anything, she can memorize
anything right. That requires resources. And very often in our community,
folks get frustrated when they come with challenges that have
been created by that have never ever responded to their needs,
that have molested them culturally and in some cases physically,

(18:58):
And then they begin to act out, and you say,
what's wrong? Some of this stuff is your performative, I
would agree, and topical. It doesn't drill down far enough.
See I would you give all the money you want
to give to police departments, but make sure these programs
are attached to the budget at a percentage rate. So therefore,
when you give them more money, our programs get more money.
We're fortunate to do programming. I run an agency now.

(19:21):
We provide support, education, and advocacy to parents of children
with special needs. And we're peer support and we're certified.
Why because we know what you're going to be up
against when you have a special needs child. Likewise, folks
that are trying to make it across this country, particularly
in marginalized communities. One of the greatest things they don't
have access. We do not have access. We don't have

(19:42):
the same resources. The resources don't look the same. And
I teach at a university here in New Jersey. One
of the things I teach in the school a public
affairs and administration. I'm teaching this semester about civics and
social responsibility and democracy, and I'm talking about what is
the difference between those students who are faring well in
those who struggle. It's not because you're smarter, it's because

(20:06):
you've had access to more resources. It's just like we
say about the generational wealth that we don't get to
pass on. We don't get the passing on because we've
never had it accumulate. And even those that accumulate wealth
don't know what to do because we're so young at
handling money. So it becomes for me a self fulfilling prophecy. So,

(20:29):
you know, I think about solutions. So one of the
things on my list, I've got solutions at the federal, state,
and local level that we've looked at. One of them
is demilitarizing the police. I agree with you, what do
you need to take. For I agree with you, you
don't need to take. But also what kind of service
delivery do we get in our community? So let's not

(20:49):
call the police for social work stuff. You know my
critics on the police force. When I was in these starings,
you used to say to me, you know, if you
want to be a social worker, you should tearn it
in your gun and badge and go do social work
because we like busting heads around here, and you're going
against what we believe in. Wow. And so you know
what I had to say to them, Well, I'm gonna
just have to testify against you when you bust it

(21:10):
head in front of me. And you can bust my
heads as you like, but if you bust it in
front of me, I'm going to testify against you. And
on two occasions that's exactly what I did. I took
my phone number, wrote it down and stuck it into
the hand of the person that was being assaulted, called me.
I witnessed it. And the time when I testified against
a black police officer, in turn Lafairs told him that

(21:31):
I was the one testing ifying against him, so he
left in turn Lafairs and came straight after me gun
blazing into the lobby where I got prisons because I'm
on a prison transport detail, and everybody that saw it
swore they didn't see anything. So I went straight to
the lieutenant. So you're gonna tell me you didn't see
that guy chasing me around, threatening to kill me. You
didn't see me running while I left those twelve inmates

(21:53):
standing there. But David, you're gonna have to put it
on paper. I will. Are you gonna validate it? And
so one going to trial, they downgraded it from aggravator,
sought the simplest salt, found guilty in court, but the
judge would not take his job, and so that made
me a pariah in the institution, and I understood that's
a risk. Yeah. So there's some real things, like one

(22:17):
of my solutions at the feral levels whistle blow protection
for good police officers. Where does a good cop go
If Sammy the Bull Gravano nineteen people for Gotti, and
you say, will forgive all nineteen if you give us John,
then why won't you let Officer A, B, C. And
D get the same level of protection, witness protection? If

(22:39):
I give up this corrupt agency that I'm in because granted,
I'm gonna be able to work here anymore. Yeah, this
one is a rap. You can stick a fork and me.
I'm done. Folks ask me all the time, did you
miss the police department? No, because I still do the
same work I was doing. I'm just doing it in
the community for the community. It is power to the people,

(23:00):
belongs to the people. Sir Robert Peel got he had
non peeling principles, and the one that I liked most
he says that the public are the police, and the
police are the public. He just wasn't talking about black
people at that time, right, he was talking about Europeans.
But that's right. It just doesn't get practiced in our
community by us. And so yeah, so some of the solutions, Yes, yeah,

(23:20):
we need mental health issues addressed. I just told about
two of my children. Sure, we need supports. If we
didn't have Medicaid, I wouldn't have anything for them. I
couldn't afford to pay it out of pocket. In casser
more increased training, you don't need more training. How do
you want to train a racist? How do you train
a nigger to hate being black? To want to be black?

(23:42):
That's what I've been saying help me with that training
program and I trained right. No, we can't train that.
That's home training or lack thereof. That's what that is.
I took some black I know some black people that
hate being black, and I know some white people that
would sacrifice much more of a black people than a
black officer that too that way, and that's my reality, right,

(24:05):
So we can't untrain that. Community intervention programs that can work.
In New York, we have violence interrupts. Brothers and sisters
who wreaked havoc on the community when they were before
they went down, who have now come back and been
hired by a progressive mayor and they're actually interrupting violence.
I went into an island for a year to do

(24:26):
gang prevention intervention, and when I went, knowing, they hired
me as a police officer and it was a decent contract.
They said, well, brother de Lacy, you know, how are
you going to deal with gangs? You've never been a
gang member. You're right, I'm going to bring the former
leader the Crypt and the former leader of the Bloods
with me. I have those relationships and continue to have them.
They refer to me as Uncle D. One young man

(24:47):
had went with us. When he went he had dropped
out of community college. When he came back, he says,
I never saw a black men so educated, who was
so committed to the community. Made me want to go
back to school. He went back and got his associate's degree.
He then got a bachelor's degree. He now has a
master's degree and both of his children are doing well
in private schools. He came from the streets and he

(25:10):
tells that story. So when I do my male mentoring
program in the summer, he comes every year. He said,
I owe it to Uncle D. He said, because he
exposed me to doctor Lynworth Gunther, Jamaican brother African Studies
in New Jersey, Doctor Tyrone Power's Eyes of My Soul,
a former FBI agent, Eyes of my Soul, the roses
to Climb a black FBI agent, Doctor Andre Bundley down

(25:30):
in Baltimore, Maryland. Coach Alfred Powell Dayton, Ohio Sheriff Rochelle Balao, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Doctor Val Robinson, DC. I mean, these are the folks,
these are the solutions, said, These are the folks have
been on the front line ten, fifteen, twenty thirty years
with the solution. Charles Dorsey called me last night after

(25:50):
listening to the president's talk about solutions. She says, Hey,
we understand that certainly the loss of a child at
the hands of the police is horrible, but you're treating
parents rock stars knowing that all somebody is doing is
pimping their pain. They have those of us that do
this work that could come to the table with you,
with them and say this is what it should look like.
Here's the solutions, exactly exactly. You know, there's uh and

(26:15):
I know your time to be short, but briefly, there's um,
this the performative, the talking points, the you know, hitting
those the greatest hits that everybody can get behind, increased training,
that sort of thing. Knowing, you know, from from my position,
knowing that police training has been a talking point for

(26:36):
decades and it has actually been implemented and has not
made any real measurable impact on outcomes for black people,
black bodies in particular, it lets me further know that,
you know, there's a disconnect. But there was that one
bright moment that again suggested that some of the ideas

(27:00):
behind those campaigns we saw in twenty twenty did make
their way to the president's desk. He did reflect upon them,
or at least his speechwriter did, and they made their
way into the State of the Union address. Let me
know that. Okay, you know, we don't always get what
we want in the time that we wanted. But you know,
our story is one of baby steps. You know. We

(27:23):
pick up where our ancestors left off, and we carry
you know, the burden a little bit further, and we
leave it to our children to carry it a bit further,
such as the life that we live in this country.
But there were a couple of bright moments. I called
it a mixed bag. There were a couple of bright
moments and a couple of things that I thought were
absolutely performative. But that's perhaps the nature of politics. I'm

(27:45):
not a politician, so you know, who knows. You know,
leave that to the politicians. But you know, I think
that we've done a good job of voicing our concerns,
as illustrated by the fact that we were able to
hear them read back to us during that Stay to
the Union. So I'm glad that that was President. I'm
glad to hear your takeaways from it. Certainly your ideas

(28:06):
are extremely insightful and worth a whole another installment of
our podcast today. But I know your timing short, so
before we let you go, I'd love to get you
to plug your book, Black Hoops Against Police Brutality, A
Crisis Action Plan, and of course let our listeners know

(28:28):
how we can support your other initiatives, how we can
tap in with you on social media, websites, et cetera.
Let's make sure we download all that content before we
let you go. It sure, So I'm everywhere as the
Lacy Davis or doctor the Lacy Davis. The website is
d r d e l a c y d av
da VIIs dot com. That's d r d E l

(28:49):
a c Y Davis dot com. And I'm everywhere as
the Lacy Davis all over social media, Facebook, Twitter, the Gram, everywhere.
The book is Black Cops against Police Police Brutality at
Crisis Action Plan. Also, there's a most recent piece I'm
in chapter four of this book, Why the Police Should
Be Trained by Black People, edited by doctor Natasha Pratt.

(29:12):
Harris says why the police should be trained by Black
people and our chapter, which I'm a co author, is
help without Harm Black police officers as trainers and what
we maintain is that just because you're black doesn't mean
you're qualified to train in our community. You need to
have had a black experience that the community validates, and
then you can come train in our community that way. Listen,

(29:34):
you are a good man, and you are an inspiring man.
And I started doing this show because I felt that
I didn't need to introduce the next CARDIB record anymore.
That I had my time, I had my fun, and

(29:55):
now I needed to make an impact. I'm raising two
sons and this felt a lot more meaningful for me.
Today's conversation with you has made the journey even more
worth it. I did all this stuff with the black
information to talk with you today. Chris will tell you that.
Chris will validate that, Maggie will validate that this conversation

(30:18):
matters to me. And I appreciate you taking the time
to talk to me on this show today, and of
course I appreciate you for sharing your insight and your
general overall commitment to the authentic, inform safe and inspired
future of our black community. Once again, Today's guest is
retired sergeant, community policing educator, author, humanitarian and justice advocate,

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founder of Black Cops Against Police brutality. Doctor Lacy Davis,
thank you, brother. Peace to the family. I'm Maggie B. Nohan,
and today I'll leave you with this. The burden of
fatal police violence is an urgent public health crisis in
the United States, fueled by billions of dollars in local, state,

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and federal funding and political support from Democrats and Republicans alike.
Twenty twenty two was the deadliest year on record for
police violence since twenty and thirteen, when experts first started
collecting the data. Beyond the issue in itself of individuals
being harmed and even murdered by those who we have
entrusted with our safety and our leadership, what we see

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across the media, in our real life observances, and now
consistently in ever mounting evidence from a wide variety of
studies and sources that the deaths at the hands of
the police disproportionately impact certain races and ethnicities, and disproportionately
impact Black people and the black community, pointing huge red
arrows to systemic racism being alive and well in policing.

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How many more hashtags, how many more protests, how many
more tiers, how many more funeral t shirts? And how
many more dollars to pay, not just for the funerals,
but to pay off police department legal settlements. Enough is enough.
We must challenge the status quo and demonstrate to the
perpetrators what good trouble looks like. Educated and inspired by

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doctor Davis's commitment to the cause, and an honor of
our brother Tyree in celebration of his life, and an
honor up to too many others whose lives have been
stolen by the police, let us commit to living out
their legacies to the best of our abilities. Leaving today's
conversation again not mad, but motivated, Motivated to audacious action,

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to loving more, to loving louder, to dismantling anything and
everything set up to delude, harm or hold us back.
Motivated to calling out and canceling the killer cop culture
every chance we get. This has been a production of
the Black Information Network. Today's show is produced by Chris Thompson.

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