December 23, 2024 • 31 mins
BIN News Anchor joins Hosts Ramses ja and Q Ward on today's podcast to discuss the headline stories from this past weekend
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
our weekend recap featuring bi in news anchor Mike Moore.
This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast. I'm your
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host ramses Jah and i am your host Q Ward.
All right, mister Mike Moore, welcome back to the show.
How have you been since we last spoke. It's been
a couple months.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's been a couple of months exactly. All is well,
but thank you for asking and Q good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Good morning, sir, I'm doing fantastic. How about yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Good? Good, good? All is good?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, Well, let's get to the news. First up,
this from Complex, the lawyer for Bishop TD Jakes, wants
the court to intervene in the misinformation related to Sean
Diddy Combs that his client is said to be experiencing
because of YouTube. NBC News reports that Jakes's attorney, Dust
and Push, filed a motion December nineteenth in the Northern
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District of California about seeking to subpoena YouTube's parent company
Google to fork over information about the people behind the
YouTube accounts that he says are making false claims about
him in the motion. The filing that goes after the
YouTuber is based in Kenya, the Philippines, Pakistan, and South Africa.
According to their about sections, covers the fact that there's
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AI generated misinformation in them that's created by AI tools
such as fake images and voiceovers. So this is interesting
and obviously tdjxx has been in the news for a
number of reasons lately, but this feels like he's trying
to get a little bit of his reputation back. Talk
to us a bit more about this one, Mike.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's funny because when I first thought about this, one
of the things that do you always ask yourself is
the question why why is this being brought up at
this particular point in time. Well, if you think about it,
artificial intelligence, say hi, what is it? Is it a
blessing or is it a curse? Or is it both?
A lot of disinformation is being presented out there, not
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only with him, but any of the high profile personalities
whose reputations can certainly be damaged.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
By AI. It's happening. If you think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Voices can be replicated, Imagery can be replicated that you
can barely notice that that it's that it's a fake.
So I think he has every right to have legal
representation to to to present this, to preserve his name,
to preserve all that he represents, especially in the in
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the spiritual community, and he's a he's a gentleman to
present it in such a way. I believe that at
least it is palatable, and you know that he has
someone speaking on as we have and especially in this situation,
however we feel about what's going on with with Sean
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Puppy Combs and in that situation, to be aligned with
that controversy at this particular time can be damaging and
devastating when you agree.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Though yeah, yeah, you yes, I actually would agree. And
the biggest problem is the allegations by themselves are so
damaging even if they prove out to not be true.
Speaking to you know, Ramda's about this in the in
the very recent past. There should be consequences when things
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like this prove to be baseless and intentionally fraudulent. There
shouldn't be more than just civil circumstances, there should be
criminal charges that can be brought against people that do
this intentionally and baselessly. You know, of course there are
things that go to court that are not proven out,
but I mean for those people who know that they're
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lying and that and know that the information is false,
there should be some type of penalty for that, because
these type of deep fake videos like you said, that
you can barely tell aren't real even when they're proven
to be false, by that time, the damage has already
been done.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, So this is something that I think has potentially
has implications for you know, obviously, the story is still
being written by all of us and legislators about AI
and how far it can go and what limits should
be imposed, and so I think that this might serve
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to help write a little bit more of the story
in terms of how AI is going to fit into
our lives and how it's going to be regulated. So
I'm anxious to see the outcome of this one. But
for now, you know, you know, I know, I'm just
supposed to report on what's factual, but I hope that
how I feel about this is true. That Tdjakes is
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not a part of any of this stuff, and it's
just one of those weird things that took on a
life of its own based on you know, Internet speculation
and you know Internet chatter, and the fact that AI
can make it more real has just blown it, sort
of blown it up to this level where we're talking
about it now. But in my heart, I'm really hopeful
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that how I feel about TDJAS is valid and that
he's not. This isn't he doesn't have anything to do
with this, so but we have to wait and see.
So we will moving on this next one we.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Talked about in the Weekly Recap.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So it's come out that the Biden Department of Justice
is opposing the decision allowing Derek Chauvin a chance to
examine George Floyd's heart.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
This from Fox News.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
The US District Court Judge Paul Magnuson on Monday order
that Chauvin's lawyers be allowed to access Floyd's heart tissue
and histology slides, photographs of his heart, and samples of
Floyd's bodily fluids, as his legal team is investigating the
possibility that Floyd died from a heart condition and not
From's actions. In a ten page motion to reconsider filed Tuesday.
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Prosecutors from the US Attorney's Office for the District of
Minnesota argued that Shelvin had no legal basis for his
discovery of discovery requests, all of which stem solely from
an email he received from an unvetted doctor offering a
weaker version of the medical defense than the version that
the jury had previously rejected at.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
His state trial.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Prosecutors also disputed Chauvin's claim that he had ineffective counsel
at trial, claiming that his original defense team's decision to
not examine Floyd's heart was a strategic decision that courts
have recognized as virtually unchallengeable. So this is this is good.
I think this is good that you know, the Department
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of Justice, Biden's Department of Justice is stepping in and
saying no, enough is enough. You don't need to put
this family in this community through any more nonsense based
on some you know, crack lawyer, crack doctor's opinion about
what may or may not have been the case. We
all saw the video and that's that was my initial
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take from it. But I know that there's a bit
more to it. So my talkers through how this originally
hit you.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It's funny because as I was listening to you, I
was thinking. I actually thought about it on yesterday very quickly.
Wow has it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Been five years? Man? Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
That was back in twenty twenty, was it not.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh yeah, we're knocking on the fifth year anniversary.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Absolutely? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It made me feel good to to hear d d
o J as an agency combat this and do it
so in a vehement way. Quite frankly, when you look
at it from the other side, however, what is a
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lawyer supposed to.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Do for his client? Yeah? You know? Do they do?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Do you examine every nook and cranny if you're representing someone,
no matter what the scope and spectrum of that case is.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Is that not your job?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So I looked at it. So I looked at it
like that. First I looked at it and said, I
didn't look at the d o J. I actually looked
at it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Why are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And then something just hit me, Why why wouldn't you
do it if you're representing him? It's baseless, It seems
that way, and that's that's That's about as nice as
I can say it. It's baseless. You're going to put
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people in harms way because you don't know what the
response of what what what this regurgitates in terms of feelings,
in terms of emotions, in terms of actions, you don't
know that. And resources wise, Oh my goodness, do you
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remember the scope of the resources that were utilized in
the George Floyd proceedings? Can can you imagine probably not
to that scope, but can you imagine another round of that?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, that's uh, coming around the bend, dragging the whole
country through that again. Yeah, well, actually, you know something
that's the global event, you know, dragon just the US
if you think about it, that had a global effect.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, so what do you so? So, so what do
you do in this instance?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What does it? What does it? What the what? What?
What was the judge supposed to do? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And and that's that's that's part of the reason, because
you know, you're right, it's it's a valid maneuver, you know,
given the framework of the legal justice system or the
criminal justice system in the country. But that's part of
the reason why, at least for me, I felt that
Biden's Department of Justice stepping in and opposing this decision
that the Minnesota judge made that the trial could proceed
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was if nothing else, symbolic and you know, I know
that you have some more thoughts on this, que so
talk to us about you know where this took you.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I mean, even listening to Mike, George Floyd was already
killed in front of the world. I was going to say,
the man convicted of killing him, as if there was
like doubt, like we didn't all see it. And that's
kind of my problem. We all know better, and you know,
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our criminal justice system is set up in a way
that you can watch someone kill someone on video, but
if evidence was collected improperly, that person gets to go free,
even with us all knowing the truth. It's just we
have all these loop hole in place, and I think
that's intentional and being the person who committed the crime
and the person that represents them, you know, like Mike said,
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that attorney has to do their job. Their client has
to somehow feel so entitled to his freedom that he'll
still fight for it even though we all know you
did something very wrong. There's there's no there's no morals
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in this game. And that's what I've had to just
come to grips with, like bad people get away with
doing bad things even when we all watch them do it.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm gonna do you, yeah, even when we watch them
do it. And the reason why I wanted to bring
that part up is because you had a very potent.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Response.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And indeed, I haven't told you yet, but it's going
viral on TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But you had a very potent response to a similar
situation when we just gust uh Jordan Neely and his
death in front of a crowd, and there was a
vigilante sort of I don't know what to describe this
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man as, but he just basically choked, choke the life
out of him. And then at his trial, at his
defense trial, his lawyers brought all this evidence to case.
And you pointed this out to me that they were
trying to say, Okay, well, Jordan Neely died because he
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had synthetic marijuana in his system, he had a history
of schizophrenia, and don't hold me to it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I don't have the paperwork in front of me right now.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But there were these these these loopholes, as you mentioned,
these these technicalities where they were trying to say, no,
he didn't kill him, he died because of X, Y
and Z. Even though we're watching the video of this
man killed Jordan Neely. He's a tiny man who's going
through a problem. He's like, I'm hungry. You know, he's
threatening a lot of people on there, but he never
hurt anybody. This guy chokes him out and he loses
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his life, and we look at that as a miscarriage
of justice, and so you know, there's nothing different here
with Derek Chauvin.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Something like that is probably what would make Derek Chauvin say, hey,
maybe I can use one of those loopholes, Maybe you
can have doctors re examine his heart and that he
had some other things going on and he's choking him
out and snuffing his life away. That killed him. It
was this other stuff. As if that would have happened
if he was just walking down the street, then that's the.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Point that you made.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
We're like, hey, listen, if this guy doesn't choke out
Jordan Neely right now, he's alive and well walking around.
If Derek Chauvin doesn't put his knee on the back
of George Floyd's neck for eight minutes on video, then
George Floyd is walking around alive and well right now, right,
And so the fact that it's a slap in the face,
in my opinion, it's a slap in the face that
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even wanted to go back and examine his heart tissue.
That just makes it more grotesque to me. It's like,
please let this and rest in peace. He's already.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No longer with us, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Today's guest on your weekend recap is bi In News
anchor Mike Moore.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Next up from Shinemycrown dot com, shout out to Chris
Thompson for sending us one over and in troubling revelation,
Cecily Gay, chairwoman of the Black Lives Matter Movement, recently
highlighted a significant challenge the organization faces in maintaining its
credibility and identity. Gay shared that because Black Lives Matter
is considered a rallying cry, not a trademarkable entity, anyone
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can establish a BLM chapter, fundraise under its name, and
act in ways that conflict with the movement's mission, often
with no legal recourse. One alarming example Gay mentioned during
her appearance on the Smitty and d Podcast was a
white man who started a BLM chapter raised ten million
dollars and subsequently donated the funds to the police, a
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move directly at odds with BLM's core objectives, which include
advocating for justice and accountability in policing. So, I mean,
I'm sure everyone can deduce how I feel about this,
but it's not about me today.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It's about you. Mister Morris, will talk to us. How
did this one hit you?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, the BLM certainly was supposed to be a higher
level priority. But if you think about it, anything can
be taken advantage of, and here in lies something that
was at the forefront of a movement. We talked about
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George Floyd a little bit early, and we talked about,
you know, how the country responded to the George Floyd
incident and the Black Lives Matter movement. Not only was
it a nationwide acknowledgment, but it was a global acknowledgment
as well. So now you have someone who can take
advantage of something that is it's not trademarkable marketable, is it.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
That's what Yeah, that's what you was saying. It's more
of a rallying cry.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So yeah, so it's a movement, So anyone can get
on board, and I can have I can have Ramses's
version of BLM, Yeah, okay, or I can have a
qu's version of BLM subsequently mine. It's just just different factions.
Is that correct, right?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And exactly that's exactly what it means.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think some causes and I think some things, although
everything I believe you can turn it and twist it
in some sort of way. There are ramifications for some
things that you attempt to do so. But at the
end of the day, you can take something that may
be well intentioned and just have that entity kind of
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taken advantage of and exploit it. And I think that
that's a situation here unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
However, sure, sure, And you know the thing is is
that this is true in a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Cases like this.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
If a term or a phrase or a name becomes
too popular, you do run the risk of losing your trademark.
In fact, just a recent story that popped in my head,
Nintendo ran the risk in the early eighties and the
mid eighties of losing their trademark because parents used to
call every video game system a Nintendo. And if you
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don't protect your trademark, then you run the risk of
losing it. And then every console game console would have
been called a Nintendo. So you know, Nintendo, of course
retain their trademark. But that just shows that if a
term becomes too popular, you can lose it. And that's
and I don't know that they lost it, but this
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probably could be bigger before they were able to train,
you know what I mean. So they probably just didn't
know how far it would go.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So you made me think about something to believe it
or not, but just that they were just the larger
entergy than Nintendo at the time. But you know who
was very adamant about the maintaining their trademark. Who's that
Kleenex cleen x. Every tissue was called a cleenex.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yep, exactly. That's another great example. So that's that's the
way the law works in this country. I know that
you are familiar with that process too, Q, so talk.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
To us a bit about it. Yeah, I've long.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I don't want to say had issue with because I
don't want to make it sound or feel like I'm
opposed to be ALM as an organization. But you probably
remember I've always kind of cringed at the idea that
the rallying cry and the organization are two different things,
are two different things in the same thing at the
same time. Right, the level of scrutiny that would be
held over an organization should not be held over the
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statement Black lives matter. And from the second it became
an organization, any misstep the organization made, the other side
would try to make apply to the movement, apply to
the movement, and that always made me uncomfortable. Like man,
I always had to say, I'm not talking about the organization.
I am talking about my right to live, to survive,
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to thrive, to be prosperous. Like so that was always
a thing with me, Like man, I wish our wonderful
organization had called itself something else because that term being
juxtaposed to an organization, and we are people and we
are flawed. You know, you can make Ramdous and Q
look bad. The statement that black lives matter should be
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the idea unimpeachable. And with regards to something being trademarkable,
you and I stood opposed to White Lives matter, and
as a way of protecting Black lives matter and the
hate speech, which was just a response to that, we
made a valiant attempt to trademark white lives matter. And
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we're given the same literature the same information because one
isn't trademarkable, neither is the other. And you know what
we were doing. We're just trying to stop that from
being a commercially used hate slogan. But yeah, it get,
it can get really kind of succeeded a little bit,
I say more than a little bit. Yeah, that was
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a bit of a moment. But however, this has always
been the thing that always made me like man. People
will always be able to exploit the people involved in
the organization and use that against the movement. And this
person found a way to be nefarious and intentionally kind
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of a jerk and spit in the face of what
the movement stood for and raised tens of millions of dollars.
And I'm sure that type of person did not donate
all the money they raised.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, now we know, you know, lesson learned, and we've
we've learned a lot of lessons in twenty twenty four,
I will say that much. But you know, we can
add that one to the to the list.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Finally, this from the Black Information netwhere President Joe Biden
has granted clemency to Terry Southwest T. Flinnery, a co
founder of the Black mafia family. Eleven Alive reports, Terry
Flinnery and his brother Demetrius big Meach Flinnery were sentenced
to thirty years in federal prison in connection to an
international drug trafficking operation. Flennery was released from prison in
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twenty twenty due to leniency brought on by the pandemic,
and was ordered to serve the rest of his sentence
on house arrest. Biden commuted Flinnery's sentence as part of
his larger initiative to pardon those who were placed in
home confinement during the pandemic. Lenari celebrated his clemency in
an Instagram post, sharing a photo of his papers and
a video of him cutting off his house arrest device. So,
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Mike Moore, I don't know how you feel about this one,
but I'd love to get your take.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
This isn't going to be very popular, but I'm going
to just go well, right, be careful, Okay, this is
not going to be popular.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
All right, I'm picking on you. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Born and raised in New York City, Okay, Okay. I
saw what addiction did to not only your community, but neighborhoods.
I saw generational addiction. Okay, that network that BMF controlled, organized, sculptored, molded,
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killed thousands of people and decimated families in a generational scope.
It doesn't do my heart well to see him go free.
There is the flip side at that coin. Yeah, okay,
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how many times has an innocent black man been in
prison for years and decades and wasn't guilty. As a
matter of fact, perpetrated instances were conducted to ensure that
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they remained in prison, So that there is that side.
But when I initially saw the story about the decimation
that that created, because I saw it firsthand, I shook
my head.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I did. I shook my head.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And again, like I said, that may not be very
very popular, but it is very personal. Because I saw it,
I didn't see that it wasn't a television show to me, Yeah,
it was real life.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Youde talk to us well.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
In a similar note, I grew up in Detroit, you
know the city that knew Jack City was the story
was actually based on, and grew up during the War
on Drugs. You know, BMF, Big Meats, the Flindery Brothers
were infamous in the city, and to kind of echo
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might but not exactly. Typically when we call for it's
supposed to be blind and balanced justice system to have reforms.
People take that as us wanting black people to get
away with everything, when what we're really calling for is
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for white people to be held accountable at the same
rate and at the same level that we are. So
we're not calling to abolish and get rid of all
laws and free every black person ever committed of a crime. No, no, no, no,
Just when white people are convicted of those same crimes.
How about similar sentencing at least, how about less benefit
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of the doubt and or more benefit of the doubt
for us. So I think there's so many more and
so many better things that President Biden could do with
his remaining time to try to ensure things don't go
as bad as possible a month from now. This didn't
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move me either way, but I just think it's important
to point out during that War on drugs, addiction was
treated as criminal. When those drugs started to affect a
different group of people, and I don't even mean ethnicity,
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I mean social class, then this became a health crisis,
and those are the type of things that bothered me about.
Stories like this make this brother the worst criminal you
want to in your mind, But in that same timeframe
the crack cocaine era, that wasn't the only drug out there, right,
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and a powdery version of the same substance was on
the streets, addicting people killing people, and people convicted for
possession of or distribution of that same substance had a
much different future leading forward.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, and that was intentional.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
So that's what my mind immediately jumps to, Like, Okay, sure,
say this guy was the worst. Thirty years later, maybe
there was some reform. If that's the point. Now, if
we're saying people can't be reformed and again abolished the
entire system, and the event that we're saying that they can,
then some people that look like us should be given
a chance to come and live a better life and
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be a a and have a different impact on society
as well, because we watch other people kind of benefit
from the benefit of the doubt and the leniency that
our justice system can give out when it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think that your point is well made too, because
you know, those of us that grew up in the
time that I think that the three of us more
or less grew up in, we know the distinction. You
know what comes to mind when you think of the
term cokehead, it's probably like a woman in her mid twenties,
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white woman parties a lot, or a guy that is,
you know, just just a young guy that's partying a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You think nice, you think nice car, you think so,
you think party.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, and it's been well marketed. And then when you
think crackhead, even though it's the same drug, you think
you know, black, desolate, hairs, all matted, you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Right, And the criminal.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Justice system, which is supposed to be objective and supposed
to be fair and blind, makes those same distinctions and
treats one drug very differently than another one. And then
we have these outcomes. So when we're talking about, you know,
the impact of the the BMF on you know, communities
around the country, I can certainly appreciate their role in
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impacting outcomes and shaping outcomes for black and brown you know, individuals, families,
and communities. I think that it's it's important for me
to state this. First off, I need to disclose that
I do have a personal connection.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
With with these folks.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's it's years old, but I spent some time dating
one of a person very close to me this was
while he was in prison whatever, and so I learned
the story after the fact.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I wasn't in any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
But one of the things that I learned about Meach
is that, you know, he did a lot of good with.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
All of that success that he had.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And I think the bigger point that I want to make,
and this is why he's so widely celebrated, because you know,
for all the bad things that you know, the Black
Mafia Family and Meech and his brother have had on
negatively impacting outcomes and black communities, they do represent a
success story. And they represent a success story in spite
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of overwhelming odds against them. It is like unimaginable that
the Black Mafia Family could reach the heights that they reached. Now,
ultimately they were apprehended and spent decades in prison and
all that sort of stuff, but while they were out,
they were the stuff of legends. And so, you know,
for the people that got to see them, you know, rise,
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and for the impact that they've had on hip hop
and the people that they've empowered and turbocharged their careers
and so forth, you know, those people see them as
kind of like heroes, folk heroes, like almost like Robin
Hood esque. And so if you're seeing a divide, did
you know social media, if the conversation is very divided,
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perhaps the reason is because while yes, you know, Mike,
to your point, you know, the the impact on the
actual people and the actual communities around the country may
have been devastating, there are people that were perhaps not
as impacted by the negative aspects of it. They get
to look at him and say, wow, this man had
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millions of dollars. He you know, he's like a Hood
hero and that matters and certainly did matter and matters
to a lot of people to see him go free again,
because you know, a lot of people, For a lot
of people, that's a happy ending. And so I can
see how you know a person you know like you
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you were saying like you know, you're kind of split
or don't really have a strong opinion one way or
the other, because both things are true. So I understand
how this conversation has been very divided on social media.
You but Mike, there was no getting out of that
one alive.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You were gonna You're gonna fall on one side and
they're's gonna be a group that was going to be like, hey, man, you.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Know, be careful.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
But anyway, yeah, you do great always and uh we
always appreciate you sharing some time and some brilliance with
us on the show once again. Today's guest is Black
Information Network news anchor Mike Moore. This has been a
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This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast. I'm your
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host ramses Jah and i am your host Q Ward.
All right, mister Mike Moore, welcome back to the show.
How have you been since we last spoke. It's been
a couple months.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's been a couple of months exactly. All is well,
but thank you for asking and Q good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Good morning, sir, I'm doing fantastic. How about yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Good? Good, good? All is good?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, Well, let's get to the news. First up,
this from Complex, the lawyer for Bishop TD Jakes, wants
the court to intervene in the misinformation related to Sean
Diddy Combs that his client is said to be experiencing
because of YouTube. NBC News reports that Jakes's attorney, Dust
and Push, filed a motion December nineteenth in the Northern
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District of California about seeking to subpoena YouTube's parent company
Google to fork over information about the people behind the
YouTube accounts that he says are making false claims about
him in the motion. The filing that goes after the
YouTuber is based in Kenya, the Philippines, Pakistan, and South Africa.
According to their about sections, covers the fact that there's
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AI generated misinformation in them that's created by AI tools
such as fake images and voiceovers. So this is interesting
and obviously tdjxx has been in the news for a
number of reasons lately, but this feels like he's trying
to get a little bit of his reputation back. Talk
to us a bit more about this one, Mike.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's funny because when I first thought about this, one
of the things that do you always ask yourself is
the question why why is this being brought up at
this particular point in time. Well, if you think about it,
artificial intelligence, say hi, what is it? Is it a
blessing or is it a curse? Or is it both?
A lot of disinformation is being presented out there, not
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only with him, but any of the high profile personalities
whose reputations can certainly be damaged.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
By AI. It's happening. If you think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Voices can be replicated, Imagery can be replicated that you
can barely notice that that it's that it's a fake.
So I think he has every right to have legal
representation to to to present this, to preserve his name,
to preserve all that he represents, especially in the in
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the spiritual community, and he's a he's a gentleman to
present it in such a way. I believe that at
least it is palatable, and you know that he has
someone speaking on as we have and especially in this situation,
however we feel about what's going on with with Sean
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Puppy Combs and in that situation, to be aligned with
that controversy at this particular time can be damaging and
devastating when you agree.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Though yeah, yeah, you yes, I actually would agree. And
the biggest problem is the allegations by themselves are so
damaging even if they prove out to not be true.
Speaking to you know, Ramda's about this in the in
the very recent past. There should be consequences when things
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like this prove to be baseless and intentionally fraudulent. There
shouldn't be more than just civil circumstances, there should be
criminal charges that can be brought against people that do
this intentionally and baselessly. You know, of course there are
things that go to court that are not proven out,
but I mean for those people who know that they're
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lying and that and know that the information is false,
there should be some type of penalty for that, because
these type of deep fake videos like you said, that
you can barely tell aren't real even when they're proven
to be false, by that time, the damage has already
been done.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, So this is something that I think has potentially
has implications for you know, obviously, the story is still
being written by all of us and legislators about AI
and how far it can go and what limits should
be imposed, and so I think that this might serve
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to help write a little bit more of the story
in terms of how AI is going to fit into
our lives and how it's going to be regulated. So
I'm anxious to see the outcome of this one. But
for now, you know, you know, I know, I'm just
supposed to report on what's factual, but I hope that
how I feel about this is true. That Tdjakes is
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not a part of any of this stuff, and it's
just one of those weird things that took on a
life of its own based on you know, Internet speculation
and you know Internet chatter, and the fact that AI
can make it more real has just blown it, sort
of blown it up to this level where we're talking
about it now. But in my heart, I'm really hopeful
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that how I feel about TDJAS is valid and that
he's not. This isn't he doesn't have anything to do
with this, so but we have to wait and see.
So we will moving on this next one we.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Talked about in the Weekly Recap.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So it's come out that the Biden Department of Justice
is opposing the decision allowing Derek Chauvin a chance to
examine George Floyd's heart.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
This from Fox News.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
The US District Court Judge Paul Magnuson on Monday order
that Chauvin's lawyers be allowed to access Floyd's heart tissue
and histology slides, photographs of his heart, and samples of
Floyd's bodily fluids, as his legal team is investigating the
possibility that Floyd died from a heart condition and not
From's actions. In a ten page motion to reconsider filed Tuesday.
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Prosecutors from the US Attorney's Office for the District of
Minnesota argued that Shelvin had no legal basis for his
discovery of discovery requests, all of which stem solely from
an email he received from an unvetted doctor offering a
weaker version of the medical defense than the version that
the jury had previously rejected at.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
His state trial.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Prosecutors also disputed Chauvin's claim that he had ineffective counsel
at trial, claiming that his original defense team's decision to
not examine Floyd's heart was a strategic decision that courts
have recognized as virtually unchallengeable. So this is this is good.
I think this is good that you know, the Department
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of Justice, Biden's Department of Justice is stepping in and
saying no, enough is enough. You don't need to put
this family in this community through any more nonsense based
on some you know, crack lawyer, crack doctor's opinion about
what may or may not have been the case. We
all saw the video and that's that was my initial
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take from it. But I know that there's a bit
more to it. So my talkers through how this originally
hit you.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It's funny because as I was listening to you, I
was thinking. I actually thought about it on yesterday very quickly.
Wow has it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Been five years? Man? Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
That was back in twenty twenty, was it not.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh yeah, we're knocking on the fifth year anniversary.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Absolutely? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It made me feel good to to hear d d
o J as an agency combat this and do it
so in a vehement way. Quite frankly, when you look
at it from the other side, however, what is a
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lawyer supposed to.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Do for his client? Yeah? You know? Do they do?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Do you examine every nook and cranny if you're representing someone,
no matter what the scope and spectrum of that case is.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Is that not your job?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So I looked at it. So I looked at it
like that. First I looked at it and said, I
didn't look at the d o J. I actually looked
at it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Why are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And then something just hit me, Why why wouldn't you
do it if you're representing him? It's baseless, It seems
that way, and that's that's That's about as nice as
I can say it. It's baseless. You're going to put
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people in harms way because you don't know what the
response of what what what this regurgitates in terms of feelings,
in terms of emotions, in terms of actions, you don't
know that. And resources wise, Oh my goodness, do you
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remember the scope of the resources that were utilized in
the George Floyd proceedings? Can can you imagine probably not
to that scope, but can you imagine another round of that?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, that's uh, coming around the bend, dragging the whole
country through that again. Yeah, well, actually, you know something
that's the global event, you know, dragon just the US
if you think about it, that had a global effect.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, so what do you so? So, so what do
you do in this instance?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What does it? What does it? What the what? What?
What was the judge supposed to do? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And and that's that's that's part of the reason, because
you know, you're right, it's it's a valid maneuver, you know,
given the framework of the legal justice system or the
criminal justice system in the country. But that's part of
the reason why, at least for me, I felt that
Biden's Department of Justice stepping in and opposing this decision
that the Minnesota judge made that the trial could proceed
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was if nothing else, symbolic and you know, I know
that you have some more thoughts on this, que so
talk to us about you know where this took you.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I mean, even listening to Mike, George Floyd was already
killed in front of the world. I was going to say,
the man convicted of killing him, as if there was
like doubt, like we didn't all see it. And that's
kind of my problem. We all know better, and you know,
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our criminal justice system is set up in a way
that you can watch someone kill someone on video, but
if evidence was collected improperly, that person gets to go free,
even with us all knowing the truth. It's just we
have all these loop hole in place, and I think
that's intentional and being the person who committed the crime
and the person that represents them, you know, like Mike said,
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that attorney has to do their job. Their client has
to somehow feel so entitled to his freedom that he'll
still fight for it even though we all know you
did something very wrong. There's there's no there's no morals
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in this game. And that's what I've had to just
come to grips with, like bad people get away with
doing bad things even when we all watch them do it.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm gonna do you, yeah, even when we watch them
do it. And the reason why I wanted to bring
that part up is because you had a very potent.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Response.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And indeed, I haven't told you yet, but it's going
viral on TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But you had a very potent response to a similar
situation when we just gust uh Jordan Neely and his
death in front of a crowd, and there was a
vigilante sort of I don't know what to describe this
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man as, but he just basically choked, choke the life
out of him. And then at his trial, at his
defense trial, his lawyers brought all this evidence to case.
And you pointed this out to me that they were
trying to say, Okay, well, Jordan Neely died because he
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had synthetic marijuana in his system, he had a history
of schizophrenia, and don't hold me to it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I don't have the paperwork in front of me right now.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But there were these these these loopholes, as you mentioned,
these these technicalities where they were trying to say, no,
he didn't kill him, he died because of X, Y
and Z. Even though we're watching the video of this
man killed Jordan Neely. He's a tiny man who's going
through a problem. He's like, I'm hungry. You know, he's
threatening a lot of people on there, but he never
hurt anybody. This guy chokes him out and he loses
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his life, and we look at that as a miscarriage
of justice, and so you know, there's nothing different here
with Derek Chauvin.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Something like that is probably what would make Derek Chauvin say, hey,
maybe I can use one of those loopholes, Maybe you
can have doctors re examine his heart and that he
had some other things going on and he's choking him
out and snuffing his life away. That killed him. It
was this other stuff. As if that would have happened
if he was just walking down the street, then that's the.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Point that you made.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
We're like, hey, listen, if this guy doesn't choke out
Jordan Neely right now, he's alive and well walking around.
If Derek Chauvin doesn't put his knee on the back
of George Floyd's neck for eight minutes on video, then
George Floyd is walking around alive and well right now, right,
And so the fact that it's a slap in the face,
in my opinion, it's a slap in the face that
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even wanted to go back and examine his heart tissue.
That just makes it more grotesque to me. It's like,
please let this and rest in peace. He's already.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No longer with us, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Today's guest on your weekend recap is bi In News
anchor Mike Moore.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Next up from Shinemycrown dot com, shout out to Chris
Thompson for sending us one over and in troubling revelation,
Cecily Gay, chairwoman of the Black Lives Matter Movement, recently
highlighted a significant challenge the organization faces in maintaining its
credibility and identity. Gay shared that because Black Lives Matter
is considered a rallying cry, not a trademarkable entity, anyone
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can establish a BLM chapter, fundraise under its name, and
act in ways that conflict with the movement's mission, often
with no legal recourse. One alarming example Gay mentioned during
her appearance on the Smitty and d Podcast was a
white man who started a BLM chapter raised ten million
dollars and subsequently donated the funds to the police, a
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move directly at odds with BLM's core objectives, which include
advocating for justice and accountability in policing. So, I mean,
I'm sure everyone can deduce how I feel about this,
but it's not about me today.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It's about you. Mister Morris, will talk to us. How
did this one hit you?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, the BLM certainly was supposed to be a higher
level priority. But if you think about it, anything can
be taken advantage of, and here in lies something that
was at the forefront of a movement. We talked about
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George Floyd a little bit early, and we talked about,
you know, how the country responded to the George Floyd
incident and the Black Lives Matter movement. Not only was
it a nationwide acknowledgment, but it was a global acknowledgment
as well. So now you have someone who can take
advantage of something that is it's not trademarkable marketable, is it.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
That's what Yeah, that's what you was saying. It's more
of a rallying cry.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So yeah, so it's a movement, So anyone can get
on board, and I can have I can have Ramses's
version of BLM, Yeah, okay, or I can have a
qu's version of BLM subsequently mine. It's just just different factions.
Is that correct, right?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And exactly that's exactly what it means.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think some causes and I think some things, although
everything I believe you can turn it and twist it
in some sort of way. There are ramifications for some
things that you attempt to do so. But at the
end of the day, you can take something that may
be well intentioned and just have that entity kind of
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taken advantage of and exploit it. And I think that
that's a situation here unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
However, sure, sure, And you know the thing is is
that this is true in a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Cases like this.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
If a term or a phrase or a name becomes
too popular, you do run the risk of losing your trademark.
In fact, just a recent story that popped in my head,
Nintendo ran the risk in the early eighties and the
mid eighties of losing their trademark because parents used to
call every video game system a Nintendo. And if you
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don't protect your trademark, then you run the risk of
losing it. And then every console game console would have
been called a Nintendo. So you know, Nintendo, of course
retain their trademark. But that just shows that if a
term becomes too popular, you can lose it. And that's
and I don't know that they lost it, but this
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probably could be bigger before they were able to train,
you know what I mean. So they probably just didn't
know how far it would go.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So you made me think about something to believe it
or not, but just that they were just the larger
entergy than Nintendo at the time. But you know who
was very adamant about the maintaining their trademark. Who's that
Kleenex cleen x. Every tissue was called a cleenex.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yep, exactly. That's another great example. So that's that's the
way the law works in this country. I know that
you are familiar with that process too, Q, so talk.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
To us a bit about it. Yeah, I've long.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I don't want to say had issue with because I
don't want to make it sound or feel like I'm
opposed to be ALM as an organization. But you probably
remember I've always kind of cringed at the idea that
the rallying cry and the organization are two different things,
are two different things in the same thing at the
same time. Right, the level of scrutiny that would be
held over an organization should not be held over the
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statement Black lives matter. And from the second it became
an organization, any misstep the organization made, the other side
would try to make apply to the movement, apply to
the movement, and that always made me uncomfortable. Like man,
I always had to say, I'm not talking about the organization.
I am talking about my right to live, to survive,
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to thrive, to be prosperous. Like so that was always
a thing with me, Like man, I wish our wonderful
organization had called itself something else because that term being
juxtaposed to an organization, and we are people and we
are flawed. You know, you can make Ramdous and Q
look bad. The statement that black lives matter should be
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the idea unimpeachable. And with regards to something being trademarkable,
you and I stood opposed to White Lives matter, and
as a way of protecting Black lives matter and the
hate speech, which was just a response to that, we
made a valiant attempt to trademark white lives matter. And
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we're given the same literature the same information because one
isn't trademarkable, neither is the other. And you know what
we were doing. We're just trying to stop that from
being a commercially used hate slogan. But yeah, it get,
it can get really kind of succeeded a little bit,
I say more than a little bit. Yeah, that was
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a bit of a moment. But however, this has always
been the thing that always made me like man. People
will always be able to exploit the people involved in
the organization and use that against the movement. And this
person found a way to be nefarious and intentionally kind
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of a jerk and spit in the face of what
the movement stood for and raised tens of millions of dollars.
And I'm sure that type of person did not donate
all the money they raised.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, now we know, you know, lesson learned, and we've
we've learned a lot of lessons in twenty twenty four,
I will say that much. But you know, we can
add that one to the to the list.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Finally, this from the Black Information netwhere President Joe Biden
has granted clemency to Terry Southwest T. Flinnery, a co
founder of the Black mafia family. Eleven Alive reports, Terry
Flinnery and his brother Demetrius big Meach Flinnery were sentenced
to thirty years in federal prison in connection to an
international drug trafficking operation. Flennery was released from prison in
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twenty twenty due to leniency brought on by the pandemic,
and was ordered to serve the rest of his sentence
on house arrest. Biden commuted Flinnery's sentence as part of
his larger initiative to pardon those who were placed in
home confinement during the pandemic. Lenari celebrated his clemency in
an Instagram post, sharing a photo of his papers and
a video of him cutting off his house arrest device. So,
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Mike Moore, I don't know how you feel about this one,
but I'd love to get your take.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
This isn't going to be very popular, but I'm going
to just go well, right, be careful, Okay, this is
not going to be popular.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
All right, I'm picking on you. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Born and raised in New York City, Okay, Okay. I
saw what addiction did to not only your community, but neighborhoods.
I saw generational addiction. Okay, that network that BMF controlled, organized, sculptored, molded,
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killed thousands of people and decimated families in a generational scope.
It doesn't do my heart well to see him go free.
There is the flip side at that coin. Yeah, okay,
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how many times has an innocent black man been in
prison for years and decades and wasn't guilty. As a
matter of fact, perpetrated instances were conducted to ensure that
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they remained in prison, So that there is that side.
But when I initially saw the story about the decimation
that that created, because I saw it firsthand, I shook
my head.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I did. I shook my head.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And again, like I said, that may not be very
very popular, but it is very personal. Because I saw it,
I didn't see that it wasn't a television show to me, Yeah,
it was real life.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Youde talk to us well.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
In a similar note, I grew up in Detroit, you
know the city that knew Jack City was the story
was actually based on, and grew up during the War
on Drugs. You know, BMF, Big Meats, the Flindery Brothers
were infamous in the city, and to kind of echo
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might but not exactly. Typically when we call for it's
supposed to be blind and balanced justice system to have reforms.
People take that as us wanting black people to get
away with everything, when what we're really calling for is
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for white people to be held accountable at the same
rate and at the same level that we are. So
we're not calling to abolish and get rid of all
laws and free every black person ever committed of a crime. No, no, no, no,
Just when white people are convicted of those same crimes.
How about similar sentencing at least, how about less benefit
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of the doubt and or more benefit of the doubt
for us. So I think there's so many more and
so many better things that President Biden could do with
his remaining time to try to ensure things don't go
as bad as possible a month from now. This didn't
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move me either way, but I just think it's important
to point out during that War on drugs, addiction was
treated as criminal. When those drugs started to affect a
different group of people, and I don't even mean ethnicity,
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I mean social class, then this became a health crisis,
and those are the type of things that bothered me about.
Stories like this make this brother the worst criminal you
want to in your mind, But in that same timeframe
the crack cocaine era, that wasn't the only drug out there, right,
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and a powdery version of the same substance was on
the streets, addicting people killing people, and people convicted for
possession of or distribution of that same substance had a
much different future leading forward.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, and that was intentional.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
So that's what my mind immediately jumps to, Like, Okay, sure,
say this guy was the worst. Thirty years later, maybe
there was some reform. If that's the point. Now, if
we're saying people can't be reformed and again abolished the
entire system, and the event that we're saying that they can,
then some people that look like us should be given
a chance to come and live a better life and
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be a a and have a different impact on society
as well, because we watch other people kind of benefit
from the benefit of the doubt and the leniency that
our justice system can give out when it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think that your point is well made too, because
you know, those of us that grew up in the
time that I think that the three of us more
or less grew up in, we know the distinction. You
know what comes to mind when you think of the
term cokehead, it's probably like a woman in her mid twenties,
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white woman parties a lot, or a guy that is,
you know, just just a young guy that's partying a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You think nice, you think nice car, you think so,
you think party.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, and it's been well marketed. And then when you
think crackhead, even though it's the same drug, you think
you know, black, desolate, hairs, all matted, you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Right, And the criminal.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Justice system, which is supposed to be objective and supposed
to be fair and blind, makes those same distinctions and
treats one drug very differently than another one. And then
we have these outcomes. So when we're talking about, you know,
the impact of the the BMF on you know, communities
around the country, I can certainly appreciate their role in
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impacting outcomes and shaping outcomes for black and brown you know, individuals, families,
and communities. I think that it's it's important for me
to state this. First off, I need to disclose that
I do have a personal connection.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
With with these folks.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's it's years old, but I spent some time dating
one of a person very close to me this was
while he was in prison whatever, and so I learned
the story after the fact.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I wasn't in any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
But one of the things that I learned about Meach
is that, you know, he did a lot of good with.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
All of that success that he had.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And I think the bigger point that I want to make,
and this is why he's so widely celebrated, because you know,
for all the bad things that you know, the Black
Mafia Family and Meech and his brother have had on
negatively impacting outcomes and black communities, they do represent a
success story. And they represent a success story in spite
(29:17):
of overwhelming odds against them. It is like unimaginable that
the Black Mafia Family could reach the heights that they reached. Now,
ultimately they were apprehended and spent decades in prison and
all that sort of stuff, but while they were out,
they were the stuff of legends. And so, you know,
for the people that got to see them, you know, rise,
(29:41):
and for the impact that they've had on hip hop
and the people that they've empowered and turbocharged their careers
and so forth, you know, those people see them as
kind of like heroes, folk heroes, like almost like Robin
Hood esque. And so if you're seeing a divide, did
you know social media, if the conversation is very divided,
(30:04):
perhaps the reason is because while yes, you know, Mike,
to your point, you know, the the impact on the
actual people and the actual communities around the country may
have been devastating, there are people that were perhaps not
as impacted by the negative aspects of it. They get
to look at him and say, wow, this man had
(30:26):
millions of dollars. He you know, he's like a Hood
hero and that matters and certainly did matter and matters
to a lot of people to see him go free again,
because you know, a lot of people, For a lot
of people, that's a happy ending. And so I can
see how you know a person you know like you
(30:49):
you were saying like you know, you're kind of split
or don't really have a strong opinion one way or
the other, because both things are true. So I understand
how this conversation has been very divided on social media.
You but Mike, there was no getting out of that
one alive.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You were gonna You're gonna fall on one side and
they're's gonna be a group that was going to be like, hey, man, you.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Know, be careful.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
But anyway, yeah, you do great always and uh we
always appreciate you sharing some time and some brilliance with
us on the show once again. Today's guest is Black
Information Network news anchor Mike Moore. This has been a
production of the Black Information Network. Today's show is produced
by Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts you'd like to share,
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Speaker 4 (31:38):
Social media, and i am q Ward on all social
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