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This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast, and I'm
your host, ramses Jaw. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover everything that comes our way. But from time
to time, a story just stays with me and BIL
compelled to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing. In a twenty twenty one
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study conducted by a peer reviewed journal, participants listen to
twenty audio recordings featuring fourteen black North American males and
six black British male speakers and were asked to guess
their race and age. The study revealed that speakers perceived
as using aave African American vernacular English, which is often
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associated with sounding stereotypically black, were more likely to be
stereotyped as lazy, uneducated, and poor compared to those perceived
as less stereotypically black sounding. Notably, the association between sounding
stereotypically black and the assignment of negative stereotypes was particularly
evident among participants identifying the speakers as Black Americans. This
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is an excerpt from a news one article breaking down
the stereotype. What does it mean to talk Black? And
I Know that we all know what talking black quote
unquote means, just like we know what talking white quote
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unquote means. It's the way that we use our language
when we're with each other. It's a way that people
who are from our culture sound. It's how we can
identify fellow members of our culture, and it's how we
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can identify people who are insulting us or baking and authentic.
And no matter what I think that black people in
America need to be bilingual. So regardless of what I'm
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going to say, I feel like quote unquote talking black
is that's a part of our journey, It's a part
of our story. There's an intimacy when we can speak
freely to each other, when we have the call and
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response rhythm, when we feel the comfort in the language.
Dave Chappelle had had a line in one of his
stand ups over the past few years and affect Usually.
What he communicated was that you know, we talk how
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we talk between us, and then we speak job interview, right,
so that we're all bilingual. Right, But you know, for
folks that are not from our culture, that hear us
speaking to members of our culture using the language that
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we use, not unlike a foreign language, not unlike Mexican
people speaking Spanish to each other, or Puerto Rican folks
or Cuban folks, or you know, German folks, or you
know people from various Asian countries speaking in their native
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tongue aa ve or ebonics or whatever you want to call.
It is almost like our native tongue today. I want
to discuss this in two parts. Why we have this
aave ebonics black talk, and then the second part is
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what we can do about it because this won't be
all good. We definitely need to be bilingual. That code
switching is important. I want to share some more from
the News one article. The stereotypes surrounding Talking Black trace
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back to historical biases and societal attitudes toward African American
vernacular English, also known as ebonics. Historians believe that its
origins can be traced to English dialects introduced to the
American South during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, as detailed
in the Oxford Handbook of African American Language. These dialects
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were adopted and adapted by African Americans influenced by both
British English from the Caribbean brought over by enslaved people
from the region. Although AAVE is often unfairly criticized as
slang or incorrect English, it is a distinct linguistic system
with unique grammar, vocabulary, and pronunciation traits such as dropping
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I ng and examples include going instead of going and
our listeners, for example foe instead of four, according to
Frontiers in Psychology. So again there is an honest history
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to black talk. Bear in mind, we were not able
to be educated for many years in this country, and
we were a slave class, a bona fide slave class
of people. And then after that we were a bona
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fide second class citizenry. And you could argue that we
still are. And you know, something else that's funny too,
is that there are white dialects that sound like you know,
some of the linguistic characteristics are found in white dialects
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as well. You could find some in the Appalachian Mountain range.
You can of course find them in the South, in Texas.
And so somehow the negativity is more associated with black
people than with simply Southern people or mountain people, or
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you know, whatever the case is. Texans. But again, one
of the things that is sort of part and parcel
to our journey is that we have developed a distinct
culture because we had to. We were not allowed to conform.
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And you know, human beings need a sense of community,
we need a sense of culture. Perhaps and as a
result of our being excluded for centuries from the dominant culture,
we created a distinct subculture which is now marketed and
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consumed it in mass in this country. But it started
in the slave fields, along with the language that still
is in use today, at least in parts. And I
feel like there's there's some beauty in that story, and
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so I want to be very careful here because the
truth is, as I mentioned, and I will mention again,
we have to be bilingual. So in trying to figure
out what we should do, what we could do, I
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decided to look inward some experiences. I've had, some things
I remember, and I know that not everyone was as
fortunate to be able to walk the path that I've walked. Again,
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I was born in nineteen eighty two in Compton, California.
So that's all the drugs, all the gangs, and here
I sit, and not everybody that was from that environment
can say the same. There are people perhaps still trapped there.
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I feel like The mobility that comes with being bilingual
is it cannot be understated. But if you're not aware
that you are bilingual, or that you are not bilingual,
then you may have some challenges. I went ahead and
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googled black literacy rates and I'll read the passage that
came up. It says the proficiency rate for African American
students in eighth grade language arts was thirty six point
nine percent in twenty nineteen. That means thirty six point
nine percent Black students were reading at a proficient grade level.
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In twenty seventeen, sixty one point six percent of African
American children aged six to eight years had access to
reading materials at home, compared to seventy eight point eight
percent of white children. Again, sixty one percent of Black
children have access to reading materials seventy eight point eight
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percent of white children. And the legacy of why this
is is well established, and you can look up redlining
if you want to start down that path. But it's
not about how we got here. Again, we need to
discuss what we can do about it. So if we reframe, sorry,
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the conversation around the outcomes that we are able to
shape right now in our lives. I feel like there's
some low hanging fruit. I taught my sons how to read,
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both of them. I learned how to read using a
program called Hooked on Phonics. Actually I knew how to
read long before Hooked on Phonics came out, but I
remember that being played in my house when my little
sisters and my little brother were learning how to read,
and I just remember how easy it was to memorize
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the letters of the alphabet and the phonetic that was
associated with it. And so we started there, and once
they knew the letters and the phonetics, then we started
with flash cards on and on and on. And I
took the time, it probably took three four months to get,
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you know, to where you're able to read, you know,
a little kid's book. But it's not the toughest job
in the world for someone who is that young. Brains
are very plastic and you can just dump a ton
of information into them. They're like little sponges, right. Another
thing that I've always done is I've kept books in
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my home. I read a statistic a long time ago
about having more or less than fifty books in the
house and how that shapes outcomes. So before I had
children before, you know that I kept all my books
from college, all the books that I read growing up
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that I wanted my sons to read or my children
to read before this, before I had children, I kept
those books and I still have them right now. And
my sons grow up, are growing up in a house
with more than fifty books. Absolutely, and these are little
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things that were important to me. And I don't know
what I don't know, but I do know that if
I want my children to have at least as much
success as I've had in my life, I certainly would
rather them have more success. But if I want them
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to have at least as much success as I've had,
then I need to give them as much as I've
been given. I need to teach them as much as
I've learned. So where do we go from here? Well, again,
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I want to make sure that we understand that it
isn't wrong to quote talk black. I think it's necessary
when interacting with other black people. You know, code switching
is a part of our culture. As long as you
can speak to a person and your message is understood,
you're communicating. And I think that's very important because there
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are people who want us to now conform when for
centuries we were not able to. But they want us
to conform now. And you know, there's an argument to
be made that you know, this is a capitalistic society,
and you know success is measured in dollars and cents,
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and conformity it helps folks play that game, right. But again,
I'm saying that we need to be bilingual. We need
to speak both languages fluently. And if you can communicate
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to a person and they can interpret what you're saying,
you're communicating full stop. If you're talking black to a
person that understands black talk and someone who does not
appreciate that overhears you, it is not their place to
assign a value to that communication. Now, if you code
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switch and talk to them using whatever language it is
that they espouse that they prefer, then now you've shown
that you are bilingual. And I think that flies in
the face to a person like that, because I would
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imagine that they are not bilingual. From my father passed,
he told me, no, I really would like to learn
how to speak hip hop. You know, my father was
a lot older than than I was. He had me
very late in his life. But I always remember that
he just got to kick out of the way I
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sounded talking to my friends. And of course he knew
how to talk black, but there was another evolution that
he had seen come about, and he just loved it.
He loved to watch us, you know, interact with each other.
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Another little fun fact. The degree to which a man
knows the language of a society, this is the degree
to which he can move throughout the society. Now, this
is me sort of paraphrasing a bit of wisdom that
I encountered a long time ago. I wouldn't know who
to attribute it to. I've just known that for many years,
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and I believe that to be true. And this is
why being bilingual in terms of understanding how to speak
correct English, is important. Because let's imagine for a moment,
there are two societies in America. There's a black society
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that you belong to, or you may belong to, and
then there is a white society, okay, And in order
to feel authentic, in order to feel understood, in order
to navigate one or both of these societies, you will
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need to know the language. And again, the degree to
which you know the language, that is the degree to
which you can move throughout the society. We know what
it looks like when politicians black politicians who are deeply conservative,
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those those Trump votes, when they end up campaigning for
people like Trump, and they come and they try to
talk black to us, and we can see right through it,
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right through it. It feels awkward and inauthentic. All skin
folks and camp folk. You're not even you don't even
sound right, okay, And then we know what it looks
like to master the language and ascend the ranks of
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let's call the dominant society white society. A great example
would be Barack Obama. Now these aren't hard fast rules,
but something to bear in mind. I believe that these
illustrate the point that I'm trying to make here, and
how do we reach that level of being able to
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navigate the dominant society Because the ready assumption here is
that we already talk black. We already know what it
means to talk black. We already see the value in
talking black, We already see the value in our community.
We love each other, we speak to each other a
certain way. We feel appreciated. There's a language that feels
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like home. But the other side of that coin is
there is a larger society around us that is shaping
outcomes for us. And if we want to have a
seat at the table have a hand in shaping those outcomes,
we need to ascend the ranks of that society again,
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and in doing so we will need to master the language.
So in closing, a few tips for yourself or your friends,
for your children. Reading, absolutely, reading, reading, reading, reading. I've
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read so many books. I've had to read so many books.
I have a master's degree, so I've read tons of books.
And you know, I still read, of course. But one
of the things that happened very early on is reading
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would improve my spelling, and spelling would improve my annunciation. Now,
there are people who aren't great readers, but they're great athletes.
There are people who aren't great leaders, but they're great
at something else. And those folks are very much the exception. Okay,
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readers are the people who are the controllers of their destiny.
If we're painting with broad strokes, reading is fundamental. As
they say, what else can we do? I recommend watching
the news. Newsreaders, news reporters. They are trained to use
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something called non regional diction, and that basically means that
they're trained to speak without any discernible accent and peeding
what you hear reporters say. It's a cheap, a free,
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and accessible way of training your teeth to work with
your lips and your tongue to enunciate. Another thing that
I recommend is watching British programs. You know, England is
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where English comes from, so they speak it right and
we don't in America. And that's not the main reason.
The main reason is because they enunciate words in different ways.
There are different ways of pronouncing their words, and there's
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just a different accent there, and their accent brings out
different colors in words. And if you get immersed in
a British television series or whatever it is that you
know tickles your fancy, you might find that the way
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that you are enunciating things starts to evolve. And then, finally,
my last piece of advice here is public speaking classes.
That might require an investment, a fiscal investment and a
time investment, but that will help in a number of ways.
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It's among the scariest things that people can do, public speaking.
I was certainly afraid of it. And you know, you learn,
and you practice and you learn more and practice more
and it's just like anything, you eventually get good at it,
but you got to start somewhere. And again, if we're
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talking about navigating a society, you know, I'm speaking to
those of us with ambition, or maybe you want your children,
your offspring, your family members to have a modicum of ambition.
You plug that in with a little bit of strategy,
some of which we're talking about today, and I think
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the future gets just a little bit brighter. You know,
the value of public speaking cannot be understated. And you
know the best courses will also focus on annunciation. So
does black talk bad? Absolutely not. But I'll say it
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one last time, black folks, we need to be bilingual.
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