December 4, 2023 • 24 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
our weekend recap. Between Bion corresponding and the host of
Civic Cipher, q Ward. This is the Black Information Network
(00:25):
Daily Podcast and I'm your host, ramses Jah. All right, cue,
welcome back to the show. How have you been man?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I have been exhausted, but fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Man. Well you look good, you look healthy, Thank you brother.
First up, this one comes from The Daily Beast. During
a recent appearance on the back Room with Andy Ostroy,
actress Julianna Marghleize made a series of provocative statements about
black and queer people who've spoken out about Israel and Palestine.
So I'll quote, the Nazis were watching how the Jim
(00:59):
Crow South treating slaves and said, oh, great, call, let's
do that playbook. That's what we'll do to the Jews,
which is also why in the civil rights movement, the
Jews are the ones that walked side by side with blacks.
To fight for their rights because they know. And now
the black community isn't embracing us and saying we stand
with you the way you stood with us. Jews died
(01:19):
for their cause. Where's the history lesson in that? Who's
teaching these kids? Margoli's went on because the fact that
the entire black community isn't standing with us, to me
says they either just don't know or they've been brainwashed
to hate Jews. But when you've been marginalized so much
as a community, the way I feel we have, isn't
that when you step up? All right? So first things first,
(01:44):
we have to get your reaction. There's a little bit
more to this story from her, But I know you
heard about this. How did this hit you when you
first came across it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
There has been a very concerted effort by some and
it's interesting in language that she used, either they don't know,
like to charge it to ignorance, that some people actually
don't know that being anti Semitic and being anti terror
are not synonyms, and that there's a difference even between
(02:14):
being anti Zionists and anti Semitic. There's a I think
some people intentionally are conflating the two, right that if
you stand with Palestine and don't think that you know,
innocent civilians and children and women and just normal every
day people should be bombed and unalived and terrorized, that
(02:37):
that somehow makes you a person that stands opposed to
the marginalization, past oppression, and anti Semitism that Jewish people
have to go through. Those I think there's separate arguments
by some people being intentionally conflated by others.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I think ignorantly.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So in her case, I think ignorance, But she's speaking
with such a sureness. I don't I'm not sure if
she knows better and it's just playing the cards the
way that they fall to her, or if she's ignorant
and doesn't know that she's doing so.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So that's kind of what I was wondering what I've
seen a lot of. First off, I'll be the first
person to say, and you know full well because we
have these conversations not just here but on our show
Civic Cipher. When there is a group that is being
a group that's going through it having a tough time,
(03:32):
a marginalized group in particular, we do our best to
speak up for them, and if necessary, we'll even share
our platform if we can get some folks to come
and contribute and offer their perspective. This was true with
you know, the stop Asian hate. This was true you
know when we first started the show and there was
a lot of headlines about what was going on with
(03:53):
the ice detention camps at the border. You know, we
needed to take a back seat and let our Mexican
American brothers and sisters say their peace because they could
articulate the nature of their pain and what they're doing
better than we could. And this was also true with
Jewish people. So when I say this, specifically when Kanye
West was saying all that nonsense, So when I say this,
(04:16):
this comes from a place of love, and it's important
that people know that we have stood by judge us,
me and you. There are so precious few Jewish people
in the world. I said this when I was talking
to Ami Horowitz the other day. Amy Horowitz is a
journalist who sometimes contributes to this show, and note to
(04:38):
our other show, there are so precious few Jewish people
that of course, Jewish people deserve to live peacefully, They
deserve to feel safe. Everything that any human being deserves,
Jewish people deserve that absolutely. On a thousand percent true, and
(04:59):
that will change. Government on the other side, on the
other hand, rather is different from Jewish people. And so
I think that when people are trying to say, oh,
this is anti Semitism, that that means somehow that you
have an issue with Jewish people when you might have
an issue with the government. And so I think what
many of these black people that miss or Misses I'm
(05:21):
not sure she's married Margli's is referring to, is that
a lot of these black people are taking issue and
queer people are taking issue with the government and how
the government is responding in Gaza and the cost of
the human life, and what people like her are conflating
is that that is somehow anti Semitism.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
People saying free Palestine or I stand with Palestine is
received by some as an anti Jewish slogan or anti
Jewish position to have.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You'd have to not be paying attention to what's happening
over there to to feel that way automatically assume that.
Do I think that there are some people who are
anti Semitic and stand with Palestine? I'm sure, yeah, Okay,
that's just like there are hateful people that are bad
people that say black lives matter out loud, like sure,
(06:16):
you know. I mean, being on the right side of
the right movement doesn't, by nature just make you an
awesomer person. It's not an auto qualifier, right, so, of course,
but by and large that's not what that means. The
wave of support you see for Palestinians is because we're
literally watching them be wiped out. Yeah, that's not an
(06:40):
anti Jewish position. That is a humanity human position position. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So that's something that was very troubling to me because
I would love to be able to say the things
that I've said, which is like, hey, this might be
a little bit too much, this might be a little
od the bombings and all that sort of stuff, without
worrying that I might hurt one of my Jewish brothers
(07:07):
and sisters feelings. And they misinterpret that because of people
who have largely conflated the issues. They misinterpret what I'm
trying to say as somehow I don't like them, or
I don't believe in their right to exist or whatever.
I've always, always, always said that, And so when I
hear a woman like this say that black people have
(07:29):
been brainwashed and that you know, we've forgotten about, Like
we've done whole episodes on black and Jewish solidarity, and
I know that I'm not the only person who feels
that way. Indeed, my mentors taught me that doctor Camilla
Westernberg her husband was a Jewish Man, and so it's
just kind of a weird position to be put in.
(07:50):
But the one thing that I said at the beginning
that I maintain is that there are so precious few
Jewish people, and indeed there are precious few Palestinian people too,
and I think the world is ers both and right
now in this moment. Had this had we had this
conversation on October eleventh, you know, it would have sounded
exactly like it sounded, which was like, yo, that is
(08:11):
what are you doing? Like there's an attack on Jewish people? Right?
But now it's like, well, we're watching people pull body
parts of infants and this has been going on for
so long, and it's like, well, when is enough enough?
And what if you're trying to demoralize the people, I
think that you've succeeded. If you're trying to like really
(08:31):
wipe them out, then you know, it stands the reason
that some people would be like Hey, look, that might
be a little bit much, and that is not an
attack on a faith a group of people. It might
be just a criticism of a government.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, I'm actually certain that there are people who because
they don't want to be classified as anti Jewish or
anti submitted, but they don't say anything at all, even
though they know what they're saying is wrong and they're
discussed by it and broken hearted by it. But they
the risk of being labeled and you know, fire from
a job or expel from a social group because someone
(09:09):
incorrectly labels you.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's tough. It's tough man. Well, I can only speak
for myself. This has been such a troubling issue, and
I'm sure that for a lot of you know, our
listeners on both of our shows, it's been troubling as well.
But I grew up with Jewish people personally, A ton
(09:33):
of friends are Jewish, and I will never be able
to fix my brain or my face to say anything
other than Jewish people are few and deserve to be protected.
And I think that that truth can exist alongside and
maybe we should maybe lighten up on how we're doing
(09:56):
this protecting because or how this government is doing the
because you know too, evils. Two wrongs don't make it right,
and protection is not an offensive thing either, by the way,
I just don't know how to say it without because
you know, I've always done my best to try to
love everybody where they are, and you know, and I
just anyway for her to say this is just very
(10:20):
It's a lot to take in. So I should read
what her response because she did apologize. Okay, so this
is from NBC News. Quote. I am horrified by the
fact that statements I made on a recent podcast defended
the black and LGBTQ IA plus communities, communities I truly
love and respect, Marghlie said to Deadline on Friday. Quote.
(10:40):
I want to be one hundred percent clear. Racism, homophobia, sexism,
or any prejudice against anyone's personal beliefs or identity are
abhorrent to me, full stop. Throughout my career, I have
worked tirelessly to combat hate of all kind in anti semitism,
speak out against terrorist groups like Hamas, and forge a
united front against discrimination. I did not intend for my words,
just so for the division, which I am sincerely apologetic.
(11:03):
So it's fair to say that that's where she is now.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I also think that it's fair to point out there's
an intentional use of you know, terrorism and hamas in
that statement, and a also concerted effort to conflate Hamas
and Palestinian to mean something.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Synonymous and something more sinister. Yeah, I think that the
other thing that that throws me a little bit. I mean,
I'll accept it just because you need to get past this.
But the fact that she says I am horrified by
the fact that statements I made offended black people. Not
I'm horrified by the statements I made. She's just sorry
(11:45):
that you're offended. That's the guard that I said. That's
you see what I mean. So that's yeah. Anyway, moving on,
conservative commentator and Culture warned white children not to listen
to rap music this week after security guards for rappers
Arto Wick we're seeing in a video punching a fan.
This comes from Newsweek, So let's bring you up to speak.
(12:06):
Quote once again, I warned white kids not to listen
to rap. Not only will you get canceled for singing along,
but now you might also end up in the hospital
in critical condition. Culter wrote on x SO It's and Culture. Yeah, yeah,
that's fair. It didn't surprise you, like, I really can't
give you much. Yeah, I mean, like, you know what.
(12:29):
The crazy thing though, is so I remember this. This
was many, many years ago, but I remember it might
have been Marlon Wayan's funnily enough, you know, we saw
him the other day, but it might have been him
that said, you know that there were more white people
purchasing rap music than black people, which makes sense because
more white people are in the population, and on and on.
(12:50):
But I think that it shows just how tone deaf,
how out of touch with the real world that she
is to even suggests that it just it doesn't make
sense to suggest something that isn't going to take root,
you know what I mean. It'd be like me saying,
you know what, poor people should just get jobs, you
(13:11):
know what I mean, and then walk away from the conversation.
It doesn't work that way, you know what I mean.
There's a lot more to it, and so for her
to just kind of paint with this broadest stroke. First off,
it leaves out the fact that Nardowick himself was trying
to like get the people off of the fan and
was legitimately concerned at least in the video of the
fans well being and what it does is it sews
(13:32):
more fear in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you know that's also her intention though, and that's
that's why I said it's her. So it's not like
sometimes people say things and we have to try to
figure out what might they have member truths are there? No,
this is her.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
We know exactly what she's on. Black Information Network correspondent
and the host Specivic Cipher two Ward is here with
us discussing the weekends major stories. All right, here is
a strange development out of Mississippi. This one comes from
(14:10):
Essence Magazine. A new report states that Mario Moore was
buried in the same graveyard on the same day as
another man who was also killed by Jackson police, and
it would be months before family members found out. So
this story is very reminiscent of the Dexter weeight story
we've been covering on I believe, on both shows and
along The short of the Dexter Wag story for those
(14:31):
that aren't familiar, is basically, this man was killed by
police and then buried in His family was not informed
of this and they just kind of buried him in
a pauper's grave. And then there's been some other elements
that have been very troubling that the family has had
to go through in you know, removing the body and
(14:53):
giving him a proper bury and proper funeral and so forth,
and you know, getting all the support from the state
that is necessary to do all these things. So there's
a new story here and I'll share a bit more.
Morris family only learned about the forty year old's death
from an NBC News investigation, which reported that Jackson police
had failed to notify the public about dozens of homicides
(15:13):
this year. It wasn't until October that Moore's sister, Marquita
read the article after her aunt texted one night, even
though it was after eight pm. Marquita went down to
the Jackson Police Department headquarters downtown, demanding that someone explained
what happened, but the officer on site said that there
was no one available. Over the next few days, Morris
(15:34):
family members would slowly learn what happened. For NBC quote,
Mario had been bludgeoned to death, wrapped in a tarp
and left on the street for months. His body had
lain in the Hines County morgue unclaimed, and on July fourteenth,
inmates at the county Penal Farm had buried his remains
in a pauper's field, and in eerie peculiarity, this was
(15:54):
the same exact day and place that Wade was buried.
So this county has had so much trouble, and you know,
obviously Wade's family was kind of going through a lot
because Wade's mother lost a brother to that same police department.
And there just seems to be a lot of corruption
(16:16):
down here, particularly when it comes to black people. And
I just don't know how deep this runs. And I
think that we were talking about this the other day
on the show. The sad part about this is that
we only know about the ones who make mistakes. We
only know about the ones who get caught. We don't
know how prevalent this is, and this, I think this
(16:38):
instance shows us that it can get even deeper. Even
when we feel like we've reached like the most disgusting
point in a story, in a narrative, that there are
still levels and the disrespect for our people kind of
is limitless.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
The most troubling thing about what you just said, specifically
the last thing that you said, is that that has
been for a lot of us obvious for a long time,
and when we want to address it, and when we
want to talk about it, we are race baiting or
playing the victim, or just all these really really intentionally
incendiary things are said too and about us to really
(17:21):
discourage us from taking that position. We love to think
that these were bad apple stories. We love to think
that these were you know, they picked out this one
instance of this thing happening. But you're talking about two men,
same police department, same grave, for the same reason, right,
cover up lack of accountability. And we circle back to
(17:43):
all we're saying in the first place, Right, We've never
declared ourselves more worthy, more important. We've never asked for
anyone to even experience the same things that we experience.
We just don't want to experience them. We just want
to be allowed to exist, be prosperous. We're not even
gone because even conversations about reparations don't happen that often, right,
(18:08):
And we're kind of laughed out of the room when
they do happen.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
As obvious as that is that we deserve that it's
made to seem ridiculous when brought up right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We can send trillions to other countries to aid and
whatever the case right, no matter the cause, the fact
that we don't take care of ours, our own poor first,
our own disenfranchised and displaced and oppressed first, before we
send trillions to other countries while claiming we don't know
where the money would come from if we were to
(18:39):
try to help the homeless population here or pay reparations
to the class of people that have been subjugated to
treatment that is inhumane for centuries. So all of these stories,
they've become surprisingly unshocking. Thank god, we have not become
numb to them, stopped being surprised and shocked by them
(19:01):
a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, listen, this next one is going to not surprise you,
even more so for those that were paying attention over
the weekend. The Colorado cop who put Elijah McClain in
a chokehold is back on the job and he's getting
two hundred thousand dollars in back pain. So this and
I remember when this first the story first broke about
(19:25):
Elijah McClain, and we covered that on Civic Cipher, and
so to know that this is the conclusion of that
story is particularly hurtful because we felt that pain together
on that show that we did on that episode that
we did, and that's what I that's my memory that's
tied to that name to know that this is the conclusion. Again,
(19:47):
it's just anyway. So this comes from the Atlanta Black Star.
City officials announced that after a jury found him not
guilty of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide, officer Nathan Woodyard
will be prom admitted to serve and protect despite the
deadly result of the twenty nineteen interaction with McLain. Woodyard
was the first officer to approach McLain on August twenty
(20:09):
four to twenty nineteen, after receiving a call that he
was acting suspicious. McLain was not breaking any laws and
was unarmed. The young black man was wearing a ski
mask on his face as he walked home from a
convenience store. Within seconds of engaging McLain, he got into
a physical altercation with police, resulting in him being placed
in a cardioid chokehold at least twice and vomiting in
(20:31):
his mask before telling officers you could not breathe, Okay.
So I want to make sure that I provide some
nuance here because again, we covered this show and we're journalists,
so we can contribute this this story, yeah, this or
this story yeah on our show. So what I remember. Remember,
he's in Colorado. It was cold at night as he
(20:53):
was walking home, and that's why he wore the mask.
Plus he had like a health condition that made him
particularly susceptible to cold weather. This is what I remember
about the story. But even if that's not true, wearing
a ski mask, as far as I'm aware, it's not
a crime in and of itself. But when it says
(21:15):
that he got into a physical altercation with the police,
that the implication there is that somehow he instigated it,
or maybe that's not doc or even that it was a.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Even playing field they were fighting with each other kind
of thing. He got into a physical alteration with the police.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Trying to you know, something like that, right, And that
is not the way that I remember the story. So
let me I pulled some other stuff from that episode,
and I have some quotes from him. So this is
these are the last words that anyone ever heard him say.
And this is in the video. So Elijah McClain is saying,
I'm an introvert. I'm just different, that's all. I'm so sorry.
(22:00):
I don't have a gun I don't do that stuff.
All I was trying to do was become better. I'll
do it. You all are phenomenal, you are beautiful, and
I love you. Try to forgive me. I'm sorry. And
then he slipped into a coma on the way to
(22:20):
the hospital and he was pronounced dead three days later.
So that's the end of his story. So when we
read articles like this, it says, oh, he got into
a physical altercation with the police. That's what he was saying.
During the quote unquote physical altercation. He was saying he
was being harmed. He was being harmed, saying these things
to the officers. He was saying, I love you, I'm sorry,
(22:42):
forgive me. He was saying. All I was trying to
do is become better. I'm just an introvert. I'm just different.
You don't have to worry. I don't have a gun,
all these things. So again for that conclusion to be okay, well,
the officer is back on the job to potentially kill
more people, and he's got an extra two hundred thousand
dollars in his pocket because of backpay. The story often
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ends with people just continuing to work. Rarely do you
see people end up with a ton of money after
killing somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Zero accountability for killing someone should never be the outcome.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, this is the world that we live in. I
am appreciative of you always for helping us all to
navigate it. Your insight is invaluable and I appreciate you
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You're at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
our weekend recap. Between Bion corresponding and the host of
Civic Cipher, q Ward. This is the Black Information Network
(00:25):
Daily Podcast and I'm your host, ramses Jah. All right, cue,
welcome back to the show. How have you been man?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I have been exhausted, but fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Man. Well you look good, you look healthy, Thank you brother.
First up, this one comes from The Daily Beast. During
a recent appearance on the back Room with Andy Ostroy,
actress Julianna Marghleize made a series of provocative statements about
black and queer people who've spoken out about Israel and Palestine.
So I'll quote, the Nazis were watching how the Jim
(00:59):
Crow South treating slaves and said, oh, great, call, let's
do that playbook. That's what we'll do to the Jews,
which is also why in the civil rights movement, the
Jews are the ones that walked side by side with blacks.
To fight for their rights because they know. And now
the black community isn't embracing us and saying we stand
with you the way you stood with us. Jews died
(01:19):
for their cause. Where's the history lesson in that? Who's
teaching these kids? Margoli's went on because the fact that
the entire black community isn't standing with us, to me
says they either just don't know or they've been brainwashed
to hate Jews. But when you've been marginalized so much
as a community, the way I feel we have, isn't
that when you step up? All right? So first things first,
(01:44):
we have to get your reaction. There's a little bit
more to this story from her, But I know you
heard about this. How did this hit you when you
first came across it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
There has been a very concerted effort by some and
it's interesting in language that she used, either they don't know,
like to charge it to ignorance, that some people actually
don't know that being anti Semitic and being anti terror
are not synonyms, and that there's a difference even between
(02:14):
being anti Zionists and anti Semitic. There's a I think
some people intentionally are conflating the two, right that if
you stand with Palestine and don't think that you know,
innocent civilians and children and women and just normal every
day people should be bombed and unalived and terrorized, that
(02:37):
that somehow makes you a person that stands opposed to
the marginalization, past oppression, and anti Semitism that Jewish people
have to go through. Those I think there's separate arguments
by some people being intentionally conflated by others.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I think ignorantly.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So in her case, I think ignorance, But she's speaking
with such a sureness. I don't I'm not sure if
she knows better and it's just playing the cards the
way that they fall to her, or if she's ignorant
and doesn't know that she's doing so.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So that's kind of what I was wondering what I've
seen a lot of. First off, I'll be the first
person to say, and you know full well because we
have these conversations not just here but on our show
Civic Cipher. When there is a group that is being
a group that's going through it having a tough time,
(03:32):
a marginalized group in particular, we do our best to
speak up for them, and if necessary, we'll even share
our platform if we can get some folks to come
and contribute and offer their perspective. This was true with
you know, the stop Asian hate. This was true you
know when we first started the show and there was
a lot of headlines about what was going on with
(03:53):
the ice detention camps at the border. You know, we
needed to take a back seat and let our Mexican
American brothers and sisters say their peace because they could
articulate the nature of their pain and what they're doing
better than we could. And this was also true with
Jewish people. So when I say this, specifically when Kanye
West was saying all that nonsense, So when I say this,
(04:16):
this comes from a place of love, and it's important
that people know that we have stood by judge us,
me and you. There are so precious few Jewish people
in the world. I said this when I was talking
to Ami Horowitz the other day. Amy Horowitz is a
journalist who sometimes contributes to this show, and note to
(04:38):
our other show, there are so precious few Jewish people
that of course, Jewish people deserve to live peacefully, They
deserve to feel safe. Everything that any human being deserves,
Jewish people deserve that absolutely. On a thousand percent true, and
(04:59):
that will change. Government on the other side, on the
other hand, rather is different from Jewish people. And so
I think that when people are trying to say, oh,
this is anti Semitism, that that means somehow that you
have an issue with Jewish people when you might have
an issue with the government. And so I think what
many of these black people that miss or Misses I'm
(05:21):
not sure she's married Margli's is referring to, is that
a lot of these black people are taking issue and
queer people are taking issue with the government and how
the government is responding in Gaza and the cost of
the human life, and what people like her are conflating
is that that is somehow anti Semitism.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
People saying free Palestine or I stand with Palestine is
received by some as an anti Jewish slogan or anti
Jewish position to have.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You'd have to not be paying attention to what's happening
over there to to feel that way automatically assume that.
Do I think that there are some people who are
anti Semitic and stand with Palestine? I'm sure, yeah, Okay,
that's just like there are hateful people that are bad
people that say black lives matter out loud, like sure,
(06:16):
you know. I mean, being on the right side of
the right movement doesn't, by nature just make you an
awesomer person. It's not an auto qualifier, right, so, of course,
but by and large that's not what that means. The
wave of support you see for Palestinians is because we're
literally watching them be wiped out. Yeah, that's not an
(06:40):
anti Jewish position. That is a humanity human position position. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So that's something that was very troubling to me because
I would love to be able to say the things
that I've said, which is like, hey, this might be
a little bit too much, this might be a little
od the bombings and all that sort of stuff, without
worrying that I might hurt one of my Jewish brothers
(07:07):
and sisters feelings. And they misinterpret that because of people
who have largely conflated the issues. They misinterpret what I'm
trying to say as somehow I don't like them, or
I don't believe in their right to exist or whatever.
I've always, always, always said that, And so when I
hear a woman like this say that black people have
(07:29):
been brainwashed and that you know, we've forgotten about, Like
we've done whole episodes on black and Jewish solidarity, and
I know that I'm not the only person who feels
that way. Indeed, my mentors taught me that doctor Camilla
Westernberg her husband was a Jewish Man, and so it's
just kind of a weird position to be put in.
(07:50):
But the one thing that I said at the beginning
that I maintain is that there are so precious few
Jewish people, and indeed there are precious few Palestinian people too,
and I think the world is ers both and right
now in this moment. Had this had we had this
conversation on October eleventh, you know, it would have sounded
exactly like it sounded, which was like, yo, that is
(08:11):
what are you doing? Like there's an attack on Jewish people? Right?
But now it's like, well, we're watching people pull body
parts of infants and this has been going on for
so long, and it's like, well, when is enough enough?
And what if you're trying to demoralize the people, I
think that you've succeeded. If you're trying to like really
(08:31):
wipe them out, then you know, it stands the reason
that some people would be like Hey, look, that might
be a little bit much, and that is not an
attack on a faith a group of people. It might
be just a criticism of a government.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, I'm actually certain that there are people who because
they don't want to be classified as anti Jewish or
anti submitted, but they don't say anything at all, even
though they know what they're saying is wrong and they're
discussed by it and broken hearted by it. But they
the risk of being labeled and you know, fire from
a job or expel from a social group because someone
(09:09):
incorrectly labels you.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's tough. It's tough man. Well, I can only speak
for myself. This has been such a troubling issue, and
I'm sure that for a lot of you know, our
listeners on both of our shows, it's been troubling as well.
But I grew up with Jewish people personally, A ton
(09:33):
of friends are Jewish, and I will never be able
to fix my brain or my face to say anything
other than Jewish people are few and deserve to be protected.
And I think that that truth can exist alongside and
maybe we should maybe lighten up on how we're doing
(09:56):
this protecting because or how this government is doing the
because you know too, evils. Two wrongs don't make it right,
and protection is not an offensive thing either, by the way,
I just don't know how to say it without because
you know, I've always done my best to try to
love everybody where they are, and you know, and I
just anyway for her to say this is just very
(10:20):
It's a lot to take in. So I should read
what her response because she did apologize. Okay, so this
is from NBC News. Quote. I am horrified by the
fact that statements I made on a recent podcast defended
the black and LGBTQ IA plus communities, communities I truly
love and respect, Marghlie said to Deadline on Friday. Quote.
(10:40):
I want to be one hundred percent clear. Racism, homophobia, sexism,
or any prejudice against anyone's personal beliefs or identity are
abhorrent to me, full stop. Throughout my career, I have
worked tirelessly to combat hate of all kind in anti semitism,
speak out against terrorist groups like Hamas, and forge a
united front against discrimination. I did not intend for my words,
just so for the division, which I am sincerely apologetic.
(11:03):
So it's fair to say that that's where she is now.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I also think that it's fair to point out there's
an intentional use of you know, terrorism and hamas in
that statement, and a also concerted effort to conflate Hamas
and Palestinian to mean something.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Synonymous and something more sinister. Yeah, I think that the
other thing that that throws me a little bit. I mean,
I'll accept it just because you need to get past this.
But the fact that she says I am horrified by
the fact that statements I made offended black people. Not
I'm horrified by the statements I made. She's just sorry
(11:45):
that you're offended. That's the guard that I said. That's
you see what I mean. So that's yeah. Anyway, moving on,
conservative commentator and Culture warned white children not to listen
to rap music this week after security guards for rappers
Arto Wick we're seeing in a video punching a fan.
This comes from Newsweek, So let's bring you up to speak.
(12:06):
Quote once again, I warned white kids not to listen
to rap. Not only will you get canceled for singing along,
but now you might also end up in the hospital
in critical condition. Culter wrote on x SO It's and Culture. Yeah, yeah,
that's fair. It didn't surprise you, like, I really can't
give you much. Yeah, I mean, like, you know what.
(12:29):
The crazy thing though, is so I remember this. This
was many, many years ago, but I remember it might
have been Marlon Wayan's funnily enough, you know, we saw
him the other day, but it might have been him
that said, you know that there were more white people
purchasing rap music than black people, which makes sense because
more white people are in the population, and on and on.
(12:50):
But I think that it shows just how tone deaf,
how out of touch with the real world that she
is to even suggests that it just it doesn't make
sense to suggest something that isn't going to take root,
you know what I mean. It'd be like me saying,
you know what, poor people should just get jobs, you
(13:11):
know what I mean, and then walk away from the conversation.
It doesn't work that way, you know what I mean.
There's a lot more to it, and so for her
to just kind of paint with this broadest stroke. First off,
it leaves out the fact that Nardowick himself was trying
to like get the people off of the fan and
was legitimately concerned at least in the video of the
fans well being and what it does is it sews
(13:32):
more fear in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you know that's also her intention though, and that's
that's why I said it's her. So it's not like
sometimes people say things and we have to try to
figure out what might they have member truths are there? No,
this is her.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
We know exactly what she's on. Black Information Network correspondent
and the host Specivic Cipher two Ward is here with
us discussing the weekends major stories. All right, here is
a strange development out of Mississippi. This one comes from
(14:10):
Essence Magazine. A new report states that Mario Moore was
buried in the same graveyard on the same day as
another man who was also killed by Jackson police, and
it would be months before family members found out. So
this story is very reminiscent of the Dexter weeight story
we've been covering on I believe, on both shows and
along The short of the Dexter Wag story for those
(14:31):
that aren't familiar, is basically, this man was killed by
police and then buried in His family was not informed
of this and they just kind of buried him in
a pauper's grave. And then there's been some other elements
that have been very troubling that the family has had
to go through in you know, removing the body and
(14:53):
giving him a proper bury and proper funeral and so forth,
and you know, getting all the support from the state
that is necessary to do all these things. So there's
a new story here and I'll share a bit more.
Morris family only learned about the forty year old's death
from an NBC News investigation, which reported that Jackson police
had failed to notify the public about dozens of homicides
(15:13):
this year. It wasn't until October that Moore's sister, Marquita
read the article after her aunt texted one night, even
though it was after eight pm. Marquita went down to
the Jackson Police Department headquarters downtown, demanding that someone explained
what happened, but the officer on site said that there
was no one available. Over the next few days, Morris
(15:34):
family members would slowly learn what happened. For NBC quote,
Mario had been bludgeoned to death, wrapped in a tarp
and left on the street for months. His body had
lain in the Hines County morgue unclaimed, and on July fourteenth,
inmates at the county Penal Farm had buried his remains
in a pauper's field, and in eerie peculiarity, this was
(15:54):
the same exact day and place that Wade was buried.
So this county has had so much trouble, and you know,
obviously Wade's family was kind of going through a lot
because Wade's mother lost a brother to that same police department.
And there just seems to be a lot of corruption
(16:16):
down here, particularly when it comes to black people. And
I just don't know how deep this runs. And I
think that we were talking about this the other day
on the show. The sad part about this is that
we only know about the ones who make mistakes. We
only know about the ones who get caught. We don't
know how prevalent this is, and this, I think this
(16:38):
instance shows us that it can get even deeper. Even
when we feel like we've reached like the most disgusting
point in a story, in a narrative, that there are
still levels and the disrespect for our people kind of
is limitless.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
The most troubling thing about what you just said, specifically
the last thing that you said, is that that has
been for a lot of us obvious for a long time,
and when we want to address it, and when we
want to talk about it, we are race baiting or
playing the victim, or just all these really really intentionally
incendiary things are said too and about us to really
(17:21):
discourage us from taking that position. We love to think
that these were bad apple stories. We love to think
that these were you know, they picked out this one
instance of this thing happening. But you're talking about two men,
same police department, same grave, for the same reason, right,
cover up lack of accountability. And we circle back to
(17:43):
all we're saying in the first place, Right, We've never
declared ourselves more worthy, more important. We've never asked for
anyone to even experience the same things that we experience.
We just don't want to experience them. We just want
to be allowed to exist, be prosperous. We're not even
gone because even conversations about reparations don't happen that often, right,
(18:08):
And we're kind of laughed out of the room when
they do happen.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
As obvious as that is that we deserve that it's
made to seem ridiculous when brought up right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We can send trillions to other countries to aid and
whatever the case right, no matter the cause, the fact
that we don't take care of ours, our own poor first,
our own disenfranchised and displaced and oppressed first, before we
send trillions to other countries while claiming we don't know
where the money would come from if we were to
(18:39):
try to help the homeless population here or pay reparations
to the class of people that have been subjugated to
treatment that is inhumane for centuries. So all of these stories,
they've become surprisingly unshocking. Thank god, we have not become
numb to them, stopped being surprised and shocked by them
(19:01):
a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, listen, this next one is going to not surprise you,
even more so for those that were paying attention over
the weekend. The Colorado cop who put Elijah McClain in
a chokehold is back on the job and he's getting
two hundred thousand dollars in back pain. So this and
I remember when this first the story first broke about
(19:25):
Elijah McClain, and we covered that on Civic Cipher, and
so to know that this is the conclusion of that
story is particularly hurtful because we felt that pain together
on that show that we did on that episode that
we did, and that's what I that's my memory that's
tied to that name to know that this is the conclusion. Again,
(19:47):
it's just anyway. So this comes from the Atlanta Black Star.
City officials announced that after a jury found him not
guilty of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide, officer Nathan Woodyard
will be prom admitted to serve and protect despite the
deadly result of the twenty nineteen interaction with McLain. Woodyard
was the first officer to approach McLain on August twenty
(20:09):
four to twenty nineteen, after receiving a call that he
was acting suspicious. McLain was not breaking any laws and
was unarmed. The young black man was wearing a ski
mask on his face as he walked home from a
convenience store. Within seconds of engaging McLain, he got into
a physical altercation with police, resulting in him being placed
in a cardioid chokehold at least twice and vomiting in
(20:31):
his mask before telling officers you could not breathe, Okay.
So I want to make sure that I provide some
nuance here because again, we covered this show and we're journalists,
so we can contribute this this story, yeah, this or
this story yeah on our show. So what I remember. Remember,
he's in Colorado. It was cold at night as he
(20:53):
was walking home, and that's why he wore the mask.
Plus he had like a health condition that made him
particularly susceptible to cold weather. This is what I remember
about the story. But even if that's not true, wearing
a ski mask, as far as I'm aware, it's not
a crime in and of itself. But when it says
(21:15):
that he got into a physical altercation with the police,
that the implication there is that somehow he instigated it,
or maybe that's not doc or even that it was a.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Even playing field they were fighting with each other kind
of thing. He got into a physical alteration with the police.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Trying to you know, something like that, right, And that
is not the way that I remember the story. So
let me I pulled some other stuff from that episode,
and I have some quotes from him. So this is
these are the last words that anyone ever heard him say.
And this is in the video. So Elijah McClain is saying,
I'm an introvert. I'm just different, that's all. I'm so sorry.
(22:00):
I don't have a gun I don't do that stuff.
All I was trying to do was become better. I'll
do it. You all are phenomenal, you are beautiful, and
I love you. Try to forgive me. I'm sorry. And
then he slipped into a coma on the way to
(22:20):
the hospital and he was pronounced dead three days later.
So that's the end of his story. So when we
read articles like this, it says, oh, he got into
a physical altercation with the police. That's what he was saying.
During the quote unquote physical altercation. He was saying he
was being harmed. He was being harmed, saying these things
to the officers. He was saying, I love you, I'm sorry,
(22:42):
forgive me. He was saying. All I was trying to
do is become better. I'm just an introvert. I'm just different.
You don't have to worry. I don't have a gun,
all these things. So again for that conclusion to be okay, well,
the officer is back on the job to potentially kill
more people, and he's got an extra two hundred thousand
dollars in his pocket because of backpay. The story often
(23:04):
ends with people just continuing to work. Rarely do you
see people end up with a ton of money after
killing somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Zero accountability for killing someone should never be the outcome.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, this is the world that we live in. I
am appreciative of you always for helping us all to
navigate it. Your insight is invaluable and I appreciate you
every single time. Once again, today's guest is Bim, correspondent
and the host of Civic Cipher Qword. This has been
a production of the Black Information Network. Today's show was
(23:42):
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