February 4, 2025 • 32 mins
In the final installment of a three part series, Hots Ramses Ja and Q Ward take a look at social media influencer Phil the Director's audio commentary entitled " If I Were a Rich White Racist ".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now the conclusion of our three part conversation responding
to director Phils if I were a rich white racist
right here on the Black Information Network Daily podcast, all
right for our next one.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Here this.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Director Phil Gentlemen says that if he was a rich
white racist, he left off the term liberal. But that's
the point he's trying to make, suggesting that liberals are
somehow the source of all that ails black people in
this country. He says that he would install liberal politicians
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and celebrities to make black people think that Republicans are
only for the rich and we're for the poor. So
this is the point in the conversation where he lets
his true colors be now that he's not unbiased.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Politically spy mistake, Yeah, me too. He thought he was
flexing making him and showed his true color.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah. So again, I'll go back to the point that
I made originally. White liberals are not perfect. No group
is perfect. There are a lot of things, a lot
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of significant things that were done by white liberal governments,
white liberal presidents, white liberal community leaders, white liberal individuals
that were ill conceived that caused a lot of harm.
I'll be the first to admit that. But in our
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story in this country. The monumental steps forward that we've
taken as black people have been with the help and
the support and the full ballstering of white liberals.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And I just need to say this now because it's
so in line with what you're saying. The monumental steps
forward have been with the assistance of white allies. We
don't even have to say whether they're conservative, liberal, Republican Democrat, right,
all of the steps backwards, the most monumental go ahead
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where by right wing republican conservative white people ahead, all
of them.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
All of them.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And maybe the party wasn't called Republican back then because
we get this semantic argument too. It was the Democrats
that did well. Yeah, back then the party called Democrats,
where the Republicans of today, Like it's it's that simple, plainly.
And we won't pretend that everything they've done for us
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has been benevolent. A lot of things were also in
their best interest, right, so sure, but one side has
only ever done things to harm us ever, and today
when we just says our hearts are broken, man, I
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really still think people don't know yet. You know, the
election happened and the world didn't go to hell. Immediately,
but people looked around like, oh, this ain't that bad.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well, the man.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hasn't been inaugurated yet coming and it's far worse than
you guys think.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
It's gonna ripple long after he's dead.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Made decisions as president, fact that we have not recovered
from yet. So again, the Republican conservative, actual anti black
people have done irreparable damage to the quality of our
lives throughout the history of the United States.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
As had poison food. Trace that right back to to Reaganomics,
the Reagan administration. A lot of the stuff you can
trace back to the prison and all of the drugs
about man.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Listen, education talk to educational debt, the college being nearly unaffordable.
That's intentional by a Republican leadership. But don't let me
stop you.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, yeah, him trying to suggest that a rich white
racist has duped all black people into thinking that Republicans
are only for the rich. It suggests that well, first off, again,
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we know that this gentleman, like I saw the one video,
I didn't even go through his page, didn't even need
to need. This dude is a trumper, and I know
that this James T. Harris gentleman that works for the
Black Information Network is too. He just is flat. Is
not my kind of folks, you know what I mean.
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So I ain't need to look at the rest of
us do stuff. But for these points that you know,
director Phil whoever this guy is got off that James T.
Harris echoed at the top of our broadcast or our podcast,
depending on where you're listening, for him to get here
to suggest that liberal, sorry at rich white racists are
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the reasons that black people only vote Democrat and don't
vote Republican. It's almost like a slap in the face,
like we don't see what's happening and what people are
talking about. And the truth is, black men have I
don't mean to be any kind of way, but black
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men have more mobility in this society still than black women. Unfortunately,
black men have, as a result, a greater capacity to imagine,
foolishly themselves benefiting from a white supremacist society, white supremacist ideas,
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white supremacist leadership, et cetera. And they don't even think
that that's what it is. They can just see, well,
shoot that's working. Let me get on the good foot
and get over there. You me you know whatever they're
on black women no better a But also black women
don't even have they don't live in a society where
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that framework is even accessible.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And this is black women at large, not not as individual,
not individually, stray into the mind of the white supremacist.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
But I think that this is why we see black
women overwhelmingly voting the same way in every election, and
this last election, I think it was something like ninety
two percent Black women, and i'd imagine the reason that
voted for Kamin Harris, and I think that the reason
why it wasn't higher is because of Palestine and in
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a lot of black women's minds, viable third party candidates.
That doesn't mean that eight percent went for Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Can you do me a favor, please, Once upon a
time on Civic Cipher, you explained something quite brilliantly, and
I'm hoping I can spark your memory. It's completely understandable
for black people to feel like the Democratic Party has
failed to keep their promises to us. And you explained
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that in a way on the show that if I
was somebody who was leaning Republicans because I felt like
I'd been lied to or duped by the by white
liberals all this time because I got some information like
this brought to me, you explained to me or to
the audience, to our listener, rather.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
How this type of.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Information could impact the person who that's their actual truth.
But why the answer wasn't Republicans.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I wish I knew exactly what that was. But my
first mind says that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
There's a reason.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Which like this lands. Yes, it's to be a black
person in this country. The entire government fails you. So
if you've only ever voted Democrat, you might feel like
I have been duped by the liberals.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, I think the thing the thing that comes to
mind though a person that just kind of knows better.
It's funny because we're knocking on Doctor King's birthday, so
we're doing like prep work around the studio for some
upcoming episodes we're doing. But come to mind, is uh,
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the same roadblocks that doctor King ran up against, things
like the filibuster, things like you know, having a certain majority,
things that that black people think are so easy. We voted,
we elected you, Why didn't you do the thing that
we elected you to do? And because they're education like
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Civics one oh one type of education is not something
that is our strong suit, you know, in terms of
our education system in this country, people don't have a
solid grasp of what the government is supposed to do
and how the government indeed works, and how people can
ultimately shape the government. And I'll admit I'm not the
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person who knows the most either, even though I work here.
But when I found out that doctor King was going
up against the filibuster, and then and I found that
we're still in more or less the same boat. When
I understood that, Okay, I was not born a slave,
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So somewhere along the line, somebody had to fight a
much harder fight than I can even imagine. A lot
of people had to fight so that the people who
look like me that were born and they couldn't even
imagine what life would be like if they wanted to
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do something when they grew up. They couldn't. It wasn't
even real for them. They couldn't imagine. I want to
travel to far away lands. They couldn't imagine I want.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
To study that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Note they were born slaves, and they worked their whole lives,
and they died young. And people fought for those people
who am I to complain about the democrats. You know
what I mean. In the in the in the time,
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in the scale of a country, things move slowly, a
lot more slowly than I would want because my life
is short, but countries are long.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And especially when the people that created that country created
it to function the way they wanted. The people that
established the country agreed once upon a time on what
that outcome was supposed to be, and that did not
include freedom.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
For us.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So somebody had to fight, like you said, a much
more difficult fight, and you did get to where I
wanted you, so thank y'all. I know you didn't remember
the exact episode of the exact conversation, but you made
the exact point. Some people, for whatever their reason is,
and we have this conversation all the time. You guys
are just feeding the poor because it makes you look good.
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Even if that's true. Poor we're feeding them, right, So maybe,
like I said, these people weren't benevolent, but they did
have to fight against their own best interest to help us.
It was not in the best interest of anyone that
was white, that owned any land or any property to
free slaves. Now, once a war broke out, it was
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in the North's best interest for things to be harder
for the South, and it'd be harder for the South
if all those black people that work for them and
definitely for free, had some rights. So again, I won't
pretend that it was benevolent, but for all white people,
once upon a time, it was in your best interest
to have free labor, working your land, watching your kids,
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sowing your seeds, doing your heart like, doing your harvesting,
your cleaning, your farming.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Everything for free.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Someone had to say, you know what, that's not right,
and I'm going to help bringing into it. And black
people didn't have the power to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I had to rely on other people caring enough about
us to take action. And those people were white liberals.
All right, Uh, ify, we're a rich white racist. I
would stop black people from reproducing. Right. So now we're
into the abortion weeds. This guy is again still letting
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us his colors be known about his uh political leanings.
This is a very conservative position to take, or for
him to. I mean, you're intelligent enough to know, Okay,
so this is a very conservative thing. Black women do
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get abortions at higher rates than than other women, and
I think that you know, we're in the same conversation
Black women are the most educated group of people in
this country. Black people, black women are for any number
of reasons. You know, I don't profess to know why
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people do what it is that they do.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I have an idea, but well, then.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I'll say what I'm gonna say, and then let's get
into that. But I don't know that there is a
such thing as a boogeyman or a rich white racist
that can compel.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Or force.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Or whatever black women to have abortions. I think that
abortions based on what I know. I've never been pregnant,
I will never be pregnant. I don't know what it's
like to grow a human being inside of my body,
but from what I understand, it's exceptionally emotion and intimate.
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I don't know that I'm not easy. I don't know
that anybody arrives at that decision.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Easily or.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
As the result of a rich white racist. I think
that's something that a person has to find on her own,
with the help of maybe her partner, her family, maybe
her community, whatever that looks like, and whatever her faith
looks like. And that I don't know what else to
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add there. I just feel like that's such a silly
thing for this and hurtful thing for this gentleman to say.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Keep them broke, childless, emotional, emotional, and fatherless. This guy
then ends up saying my body my choice as some
anecdotal joke, as some punchline for his might drop that
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he thinks he just made I have six sisters, I
was raised by a single mother. To my body my choice,
I just almost cursed right now. My body my choice
stuff is not for you to make a joke of, sir.
I'd love to continue this conversation with you, by the.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Way, not me, but I'll beat her. You don't want
to talk to me.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I have a daughter, too, sir. Is her body her.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Choice, Sir, he's a nice one right now.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
When I became a father, it was the first time
I smiled in five years almost, and I smiled endless
because the only thing I wanted to be when I
grew up, for sure, was a father. I'll figure everything
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else out, but the absence of my father made me really,
really really want to be a father. And I realized
once my son got here that it is an instant, comprehensive,
life altering change right now. It's not gradual. It all
happens right now, and you learn how much different life
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is going to be moving forward. And what I realized
is not what I realized, because this wasn't a true feeling,
but it was a feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'm not enough for this kid.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't have enough money. I don't have a stable
enough job. I don't have a big enough house. I don't.
I don't. I don't, I don't. And these are fears
from somebody who's genuinely, generally confident and competent and able
to make a way and provide and all that. But
even I, with eleven siblings and the most powerful mother ever,
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in a full support system, and a brother like Ramses
who would give me everything that he has, his house,
his car, all of his food and money, still felt
like I don't have enough in a relationship with his mother.
So this wasn't a single parent thing. I had everything
that I needed, but even I thought I don't have enough.
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Imagine if I was a single woman and had way
less in the way of support system, resources, money, a
place to live, a way to provide for my child.
I had all that stuff, and I still had doubts
and fears and was terrified. And when my daughter was
getting ready to be born, and I had been laid
off from my job in situation and circumstances had gotten
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even rougher, even more terrified. But those rougher circumstances still
landed me with having everything I needed. So imagine having
none of that stuff. And this guy that doesn't love me,
who just told me now that he knows that I'm pregnant,
that he no longer wants to be with me, tells
me about a girlfriend that I didn't know he had,
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or runs off to some other place because he doesn't
have to carry this child. He can remove himself from
the responsibility of it and get ghosts. I have to carry, grow, nurture,
and provide for this child no matter what. And I'm
not prepared, and I'm scared, and I'm a Christian and
I'm not married, and my mom and my family and
my coworkers, and I'm going to be a baby mama,
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and ah ah, I don't have a place to live.
This woman wasn't being an irresponsible quote unquote welfare queen
that was manipulated by the rich, white, liberal black cater people.
She was being a human being. How many of you
are not married and not black and have sex. Oh everybody, Okay,
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thanks for anm answering. So when all those circumstances present themselves,
maybe you don't want this baby to have the most
difficult upbringing possible, so you go to see a doctor
about it and make a decision that I'm sure breaks
your heart because maybe, like me, your whole life, you
wanted to grow up and be a parent. But so
you can get your bar off on Instagram, you make
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this video and that's how you close it with my
body my choice joke, you clown.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Let's jump on. I was there when both of your
children are born, and you made me really happy. I
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was really happy to see you with your babies. And yeah,
and you've been a good and uncle to my sons too.
So all right, last thing, he says, with a quote
from Malcolm X, says, I.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Don't think this was directed feeling anymore. I think this
was James the Malcolm X quote.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay, all right, well James, your turn.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
We can play it back to make sure you know
they get they get us. They both can get it.
They get us on semantics on here.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We worried about it, we say before I or I
before E. Wrong, I don't know worried about it. Uh
all right. Quote is from Malcolm X says the white
liberal is the worst enemy Black America.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Okay, so again intentionally stated without context, truthful sounding lies.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, let me let me add something here.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Okay, the white liberal, the white liberal.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Moves slower than the black liberal would prefer in many instances.
The white liberal risks less than the black liberal would
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prefer in many instances. It's their path to walk. We
are often at the mercy of their decisions to pick
up a picket sign or their decisions to you know,
go down and appeal to you know, elected officials or whatever,
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whatever the case is. It is the way of the
country that we live in and has been this way
the whole time. And James Baldwin, Malcolm X, you know,
doctor King's frustration with white liberals is often born out
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of that part of it, not that they are this
evil enemy that is making life worse, but rather that
they are liberal when they want to be. For many
of them, they are liberal when it's convenient. They are
allies when it's convenient. This is probably better way to
say it. They're there their allies when it's convenient. Uh,
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they are they are they take risks when it's convenient
or less impactful, and on and on and on right,
and so again there's there's a little bit more context here,
and and and again. I've I've said, this will be
my third time saying white liberals are not a perfect.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Group of people.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You know. I sometimes I go to protests and sometimes
I don't. I'm not at every protest. I don't. I
don't show up to every battle I'm invited to. I
don't believe that that may make me an evil, manipulative race,
you know whatever. I just you know, I have the
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bandwidth that I have, and outside of that, I don't.
With that said, I understand what Malcolm X is saying here,
and I understand what doctor King has said when he
made his comments. And I understand, of course, as I
mentioned James Baldwin Stokely, uh you know how Eldridge, you know, like,
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how long do you want the list to go?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Huie? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And I still think that we get where we're going
to get together. I still think that we have brothers
and sisters who were born with ancestry that takes them
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back to the Caucasus mountains, and there are brothers and
our sisters, and they have a different path and different
lessons to learn, and they love us, and they're doing
their best to show us that love the best way
they know how. And it's up to us to teach
them what loving us looks like. We are the older siblings.
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We are the oldest siblings on this planet. Indeed, we
are not even siblings. We are the fathers and the
mothers of human beings Homo sapiens sapiens, and so it
is not strange for us to be the teachers. I
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I am glad that we had a chance to push
back against this nonsense. Don't let Director phil divide us,
confuse us, cause us to doubt the reality in which
we live. Don't let even James T. Harris do that.
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You know, trust yourself, trust your path, trust us in
your heart. Most of us got it, and we'll continue
to get it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The person I'm most likely to agree with on everything
is me, and even I be tripping sometimes, So I
don't agree with one hundred percent of things that I've
said before. So ending this thing with a quote from
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Malcolm X, as if that's the exclamation point on this
ridiculous theory or narrative, You're trying to push clever because
for some people that's enough. Man. If that's what Malcolm said,
then I'm riding with brother Malcolm. But this is why
Ramses and I think some of you are part of
a cult. You agree with everything that dudes say that
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was the president last time, everything, even when he says
ridiculous and does ridiculous things that would be insulting to you,
your mother, your daughter, your family members.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You've decided that forty five is the.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Guy and MAGA and so everything he does and says
you agree with that's ridiculous. I don't agree with everything
brod did and said. I don't agree with everything doctor
King did and said, I don't agree with everything that
Ramses does and says. And I spend as much time
with Ramses as I do with my children. We do
this work that we do every day, and we are
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fighting aggressively for the same mission. But we don't agree
on one hundred percent of things ourselves. Malcolm was making
a point at a time before now, in a time
before the last thirty years, because now things might get
back to worse than they were, but for the last
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thirty years it might have been the best of times
for black people in this country.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
As much as we endured and as much as we.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Went through considering what we see coming, we might have
just experienced the best of it. And what Malcolm was saying,
as Ramses articulated, but Rams's articulated it so smoothly, I
want to put a little more of my mad back
on it. A lot of people are simultaneously minority and white,
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and in moments of conflict, they can always go back
to being white. That's what Malcolm was talking about. Most
conservative Democrats work and vote and create policy with conservative Republicans.
Most liberal Republicans work with, have coffee with, and dinner with,
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and take vacations with people of the other party that
share the same values. And the people who have been
caught up as the pawn in that game for the
entirety of this country. Once we got a voice, quote
unquote is black people, how do we manipulate people like
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James Harrison, Director Paul or Feel or whatever his name is,
and to thinking how we think and voting according to
our interest and not their own. So because, as Ramses said,
the aggressive agenda of those in charge in this country,
who have almost overwhelmingly been white, I think we just
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had our fourth black senator ever, something crazy like that,
or fourth black woman senator. It's a really alarming stat
fourth ever, one, two, three, four ever.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You turn around and you look around, and you realize,
no one.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Is pushing our progress at the rate that we wish
because it's not their progress. It's not even more complicated
than that.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's well said.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It's not their progress. So no, white liberals are not
the superheroes that we wish they were. But some white people,
I'm not gonna call you liberal, conservative, Republican or democrats.
Some white people spend their lives trying to help us.
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
We know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Some of them give their personally, they have.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Given and continue to give life, reputation, family friendship to
stand up for us. So again, what brother, The point
that brother Malcolm was trying to make is well received,
But to make it that the worst enemy to black
people is the white liberal, it'singuous. Was not true, brother Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, I think you said it best. It was just
a it was a misrepresented quote. It's it's something that
is convenient.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
And google that quote because he goes on to give
you explain are more information and context because it's a
nuanced conversation that people people like this remove the nuance
from intentionally so that they can manipulate you and then
present themselves as ally as brother, as someone who's showing
you the light and freeing you from being a brainwashed sheep.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And and if either of these people, the James T.
Harris person or this other director Phil person could convince
me that Malcolm X would vote for Donald Trump, man,
I would love to hear you do the mental gymnastics
necessary to be sure.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
They would try.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
They would do their best, I'm sure, but I don't
know that. I know they wouldn't succeed. That's just not realistic.
It would be funny to watch them try, though, right.
So that's that will leave it right here, now, open
the floor up to you. You got something to add,
of course, you can use red microphone talk back feature
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all social media. I'm at Ramsy's job.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I am q Ward on all socials as well.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And hopefully we don't got to talk about these people
no more until next time, y'all peace. This has been
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And now the conclusion of our three part conversation responding
to director Phils if I were a rich white racist
right here on the Black Information Network Daily podcast, all
right for our next one.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Here this.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Director Phil Gentlemen says that if he was a rich
white racist, he left off the term liberal. But that's
the point he's trying to make, suggesting that liberals are
somehow the source of all that ails black people in
this country. He says that he would install liberal politicians
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and celebrities to make black people think that Republicans are
only for the rich and we're for the poor. So
this is the point in the conversation where he lets
his true colors be now that he's not unbiased.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Politically spy mistake, Yeah, me too. He thought he was
flexing making him and showed his true color.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah. So again, I'll go back to the point that
I made originally. White liberals are not perfect. No group
is perfect. There are a lot of things, a lot
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of significant things that were done by white liberal governments,
white liberal presidents, white liberal community leaders, white liberal individuals
that were ill conceived that caused a lot of harm.
I'll be the first to admit that. But in our
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story in this country. The monumental steps forward that we've
taken as black people have been with the help and
the support and the full ballstering of white liberals.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And I just need to say this now because it's
so in line with what you're saying. The monumental steps
forward have been with the assistance of white allies. We
don't even have to say whether they're conservative, liberal, Republican Democrat, right,
all of the steps backwards, the most monumental go ahead
(02:27):
where by right wing republican conservative white people ahead, all
of them.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
All of them.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And maybe the party wasn't called Republican back then because
we get this semantic argument too. It was the Democrats
that did well. Yeah, back then the party called Democrats,
where the Republicans of today, Like it's it's that simple, plainly.
And we won't pretend that everything they've done for us
(02:58):
has been benevolent. A lot of things were also in
their best interest, right, so sure, but one side has
only ever done things to harm us ever, and today
when we just says our hearts are broken, man, I
(03:19):
really still think people don't know yet. You know, the
election happened and the world didn't go to hell. Immediately,
but people looked around like, oh, this ain't that bad.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well, the man.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hasn't been inaugurated yet coming and it's far worse than
you guys think.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
It's gonna ripple long after he's dead.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Made decisions as president, fact that we have not recovered
from yet. So again, the Republican conservative, actual anti black
people have done irreparable damage to the quality of our
lives throughout the history of the United States.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
As had poison food. Trace that right back to to Reaganomics,
the Reagan administration. A lot of the stuff you can
trace back to the prison and all of the drugs
about man.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Listen, education talk to educational debt, the college being nearly unaffordable.
That's intentional by a Republican leadership. But don't let me
stop you.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, yeah, him trying to suggest that a rich white
racist has duped all black people into thinking that Republicans
are only for the rich. It suggests that well, first off, again,
(04:52):
we know that this gentleman, like I saw the one video,
I didn't even go through his page, didn't even need
to need. This dude is a trumper, and I know
that this James T. Harris gentleman that works for the
Black Information Network is too. He just is flat. Is
not my kind of folks, you know what I mean.
(05:13):
So I ain't need to look at the rest of
us do stuff. But for these points that you know,
director Phil whoever this guy is got off that James T.
Harris echoed at the top of our broadcast or our podcast,
depending on where you're listening, for him to get here
to suggest that liberal, sorry at rich white racists are
(05:40):
the reasons that black people only vote Democrat and don't
vote Republican. It's almost like a slap in the face,
like we don't see what's happening and what people are
talking about. And the truth is, black men have I
don't mean to be any kind of way, but black
(06:00):
men have more mobility in this society still than black women. Unfortunately,
black men have, as a result, a greater capacity to imagine,
foolishly themselves benefiting from a white supremacist society, white supremacist ideas,
(06:24):
white supremacist leadership, et cetera. And they don't even think
that that's what it is. They can just see, well,
shoot that's working. Let me get on the good foot
and get over there. You me you know whatever they're
on black women no better a But also black women
don't even have they don't live in a society where
(06:46):
that framework is even accessible.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And this is black women at large, not not as individual,
not individually, stray into the mind of the white supremacist.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
But I think that this is why we see black
women overwhelmingly voting the same way in every election, and
this last election, I think it was something like ninety
two percent Black women, and i'd imagine the reason that
voted for Kamin Harris, and I think that the reason
why it wasn't higher is because of Palestine and in
(07:18):
a lot of black women's minds, viable third party candidates.
That doesn't mean that eight percent went for Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Can you do me a favor, please, Once upon a
time on Civic Cipher, you explained something quite brilliantly, and
I'm hoping I can spark your memory. It's completely understandable
for black people to feel like the Democratic Party has
failed to keep their promises to us. And you explained
(07:46):
that in a way on the show that if I
was somebody who was leaning Republicans because I felt like
I'd been lied to or duped by the by white
liberals all this time because I got some information like
this brought to me, you explained to me or to
the audience, to our listener, rather.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
How this type of.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Information could impact the person who that's their actual truth.
But why the answer wasn't Republicans.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I wish I knew exactly what that was. But my
first mind says that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
There's a reason.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Which like this lands. Yes, it's to be a black
person in this country. The entire government fails you. So
if you've only ever voted Democrat, you might feel like
I have been duped by the liberals.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, I think the thing the thing that comes to
mind though a person that just kind of knows better.
It's funny because we're knocking on Doctor King's birthday, so
we're doing like prep work around the studio for some
upcoming episodes we're doing. But come to mind, is uh,
(09:00):
the same roadblocks that doctor King ran up against, things
like the filibuster, things like you know, having a certain majority,
things that that black people think are so easy. We voted,
we elected you, Why didn't you do the thing that
we elected you to do? And because they're education like
(09:25):
Civics one oh one type of education is not something
that is our strong suit, you know, in terms of
our education system in this country, people don't have a
solid grasp of what the government is supposed to do
and how the government indeed works, and how people can
ultimately shape the government. And I'll admit I'm not the
(09:47):
person who knows the most either, even though I work here.
But when I found out that doctor King was going
up against the filibuster, and then and I found that
we're still in more or less the same boat. When
I understood that, Okay, I was not born a slave,
(10:15):
So somewhere along the line, somebody had to fight a
much harder fight than I can even imagine. A lot
of people had to fight so that the people who
look like me that were born and they couldn't even
imagine what life would be like if they wanted to
(10:39):
do something when they grew up. They couldn't. It wasn't
even real for them. They couldn't imagine. I want to
travel to far away lands. They couldn't imagine I want.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
To study that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Note they were born slaves, and they worked their whole lives,
and they died young. And people fought for those people
who am I to complain about the democrats. You know
what I mean. In the in the in the time,
(11:09):
in the scale of a country, things move slowly, a
lot more slowly than I would want because my life
is short, but countries are long.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And especially when the people that created that country created
it to function the way they wanted. The people that
established the country agreed once upon a time on what
that outcome was supposed to be, and that did not
include freedom.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
For us.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So somebody had to fight, like you said, a much
more difficult fight, and you did get to where I
wanted you, so thank y'all. I know you didn't remember
the exact episode of the exact conversation, but you made
the exact point. Some people, for whatever their reason is,
and we have this conversation all the time. You guys
are just feeding the poor because it makes you look good.
(12:01):
Even if that's true. Poor we're feeding them, right, So maybe,
like I said, these people weren't benevolent, but they did
have to fight against their own best interest to help us.
It was not in the best interest of anyone that
was white, that owned any land or any property to
free slaves. Now, once a war broke out, it was
(12:23):
in the North's best interest for things to be harder
for the South, and it'd be harder for the South
if all those black people that work for them and
definitely for free, had some rights. So again, I won't
pretend that it was benevolent, but for all white people,
once upon a time, it was in your best interest
to have free labor, working your land, watching your kids,
(12:45):
sowing your seeds, doing your heart like, doing your harvesting,
your cleaning, your farming.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Everything for free.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Someone had to say, you know what, that's not right,
and I'm going to help bringing into it. And black
people didn't have the power to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I had to rely on other people caring enough about
us to take action. And those people were white liberals.
All right, Uh, ify, we're a rich white racist. I
would stop black people from reproducing. Right. So now we're
into the abortion weeds. This guy is again still letting
(13:24):
us his colors be known about his uh political leanings.
This is a very conservative position to take, or for
him to. I mean, you're intelligent enough to know, Okay,
so this is a very conservative thing. Black women do
(13:47):
get abortions at higher rates than than other women, and
I think that you know, we're in the same conversation
Black women are the most educated group of people in
this country. Black people, black women are for any number
of reasons. You know, I don't profess to know why
(14:07):
people do what it is that they do.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I have an idea, but well, then.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I'll say what I'm gonna say, and then let's get
into that. But I don't know that there is a
such thing as a boogeyman or a rich white racist
that can compel.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Or force.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Or whatever black women to have abortions. I think that
abortions based on what I know. I've never been pregnant,
I will never be pregnant. I don't know what it's
like to grow a human being inside of my body,
but from what I understand, it's exceptionally emotion and intimate.
(15:02):
I don't know that I'm not easy. I don't know
that anybody arrives at that decision.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Easily or.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
As the result of a rich white racist. I think
that's something that a person has to find on her own,
with the help of maybe her partner, her family, maybe
her community, whatever that looks like, and whatever her faith
looks like. And that I don't know what else to
(15:39):
add there. I just feel like that's such a silly
thing for this and hurtful thing for this gentleman to say.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Keep them broke, childless, emotional, emotional, and fatherless. This guy
then ends up saying my body my choice as some
anecdotal joke, as some punchline for his might drop that
(16:13):
he thinks he just made I have six sisters, I
was raised by a single mother. To my body my choice,
I just almost cursed right now. My body my choice
stuff is not for you to make a joke of, sir.
I'd love to continue this conversation with you, by the.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Way, not me, but I'll beat her. You don't want
to talk to me.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I have a daughter, too, sir. Is her body her.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Choice, Sir, he's a nice one right now.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
When I became a father, it was the first time
I smiled in five years almost, and I smiled endless
because the only thing I wanted to be when I
grew up, for sure, was a father. I'll figure everything
(17:09):
else out, but the absence of my father made me really,
really really want to be a father. And I realized
once my son got here that it is an instant, comprehensive,
life altering change right now. It's not gradual. It all
happens right now, and you learn how much different life
(17:34):
is going to be moving forward. And what I realized
is not what I realized, because this wasn't a true feeling,
but it was a feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'm not enough for this kid.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't have enough money. I don't have a stable
enough job. I don't have a big enough house. I don't.
I don't. I don't, I don't. And these are fears
from somebody who's genuinely, generally confident and competent and able
to make a way and provide and all that. But
even I, with eleven siblings and the most powerful mother ever,
(18:06):
in a full support system, and a brother like Ramses
who would give me everything that he has, his house,
his car, all of his food and money, still felt
like I don't have enough in a relationship with his mother.
So this wasn't a single parent thing. I had everything
that I needed, but even I thought I don't have enough.
(18:31):
Imagine if I was a single woman and had way
less in the way of support system, resources, money, a
place to live, a way to provide for my child.
I had all that stuff, and I still had doubts
and fears and was terrified. And when my daughter was
getting ready to be born, and I had been laid
off from my job in situation and circumstances had gotten
(18:52):
even rougher, even more terrified. But those rougher circumstances still
landed me with having everything I needed. So imagine having
none of that stuff. And this guy that doesn't love me,
who just told me now that he knows that I'm pregnant,
that he no longer wants to be with me, tells
me about a girlfriend that I didn't know he had,
(19:12):
or runs off to some other place because he doesn't
have to carry this child. He can remove himself from
the responsibility of it and get ghosts. I have to carry, grow, nurture,
and provide for this child no matter what. And I'm
not prepared, and I'm scared, and I'm a Christian and
I'm not married, and my mom and my family and
my coworkers, and I'm going to be a baby mama,
(19:34):
and ah ah, I don't have a place to live.
This woman wasn't being an irresponsible quote unquote welfare queen
that was manipulated by the rich, white, liberal black cater people.
She was being a human being. How many of you
are not married and not black and have sex. Oh everybody, Okay,
(19:59):
thanks for anm answering. So when all those circumstances present themselves,
maybe you don't want this baby to have the most
difficult upbringing possible, so you go to see a doctor
about it and make a decision that I'm sure breaks
your heart because maybe, like me, your whole life, you
wanted to grow up and be a parent. But so
you can get your bar off on Instagram, you make
(20:20):
this video and that's how you close it with my
body my choice joke, you clown.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Let's jump on. I was there when both of your
children are born, and you made me really happy. I
(20:49):
was really happy to see you with your babies. And yeah,
and you've been a good and uncle to my sons too.
So all right, last thing, he says, with a quote
from Malcolm X, says, I.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Don't think this was directed feeling anymore. I think this
was James the Malcolm X quote.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay, all right, well James, your turn.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
We can play it back to make sure you know
they get they get us. They both can get it.
They get us on semantics on here.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We worried about it, we say before I or I
before E. Wrong, I don't know worried about it. Uh
all right. Quote is from Malcolm X says the white
liberal is the worst enemy Black America.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Okay, so again intentionally stated without context, truthful sounding lies.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, let me let me add something here.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Okay, the white liberal, the white liberal.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Moves slower than the black liberal would prefer in many instances.
The white liberal risks less than the black liberal would
(22:17):
prefer in many instances. It's their path to walk. We
are often at the mercy of their decisions to pick
up a picket sign or their decisions to you know,
go down and appeal to you know, elected officials or whatever,
(22:40):
whatever the case is. It is the way of the
country that we live in and has been this way
the whole time. And James Baldwin, Malcolm X, you know,
doctor King's frustration with white liberals is often born out
(23:04):
of that part of it, not that they are this
evil enemy that is making life worse, but rather that
they are liberal when they want to be. For many
of them, they are liberal when it's convenient. They are
allies when it's convenient. This is probably better way to
say it. They're there their allies when it's convenient. Uh,
(23:28):
they are they are they take risks when it's convenient
or less impactful, and on and on and on right,
and so again there's there's a little bit more context here,
and and and again. I've I've said, this will be
my third time saying white liberals are not a perfect.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Group of people.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You know. I sometimes I go to protests and sometimes
I don't. I'm not at every protest. I don't. I
don't show up to every battle I'm invited to. I
don't believe that that may make me an evil, manipulative race,
you know whatever. I just you know, I have the
(24:06):
bandwidth that I have, and outside of that, I don't.
With that said, I understand what Malcolm X is saying here,
and I understand what doctor King has said when he
made his comments. And I understand, of course, as I
mentioned James Baldwin Stokely, uh you know how Eldridge, you know, like,
(24:27):
how long do you want the list to go?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Huie? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And I still think that we get where we're going
to get together. I still think that we have brothers
and sisters who were born with ancestry that takes them
(24:52):
back to the Caucasus mountains, and there are brothers and
our sisters, and they have a different path and different
lessons to learn, and they love us, and they're doing
their best to show us that love the best way
they know how. And it's up to us to teach
them what loving us looks like. We are the older siblings.
(25:13):
We are the oldest siblings on this planet. Indeed, we
are not even siblings. We are the fathers and the
mothers of human beings Homo sapiens sapiens, and so it
is not strange for us to be the teachers. I
(25:34):
I am glad that we had a chance to push
back against this nonsense. Don't let Director phil divide us,
confuse us, cause us to doubt the reality in which
we live. Don't let even James T. Harris do that.
(25:55):
You know, trust yourself, trust your path, trust us in
your heart. Most of us got it, and we'll continue
to get it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The person I'm most likely to agree with on everything
is me, and even I be tripping sometimes, So I
don't agree with one hundred percent of things that I've
said before. So ending this thing with a quote from
(26:26):
Malcolm X, as if that's the exclamation point on this
ridiculous theory or narrative, You're trying to push clever because
for some people that's enough. Man. If that's what Malcolm said,
then I'm riding with brother Malcolm. But this is why
Ramses and I think some of you are part of
a cult. You agree with everything that dudes say that
(26:48):
was the president last time, everything, even when he says
ridiculous and does ridiculous things that would be insulting to you,
your mother, your daughter, your family members.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You've decided that forty five is the.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Guy and MAGA and so everything he does and says
you agree with that's ridiculous. I don't agree with everything
brod did and said. I don't agree with everything doctor
King did and said, I don't agree with everything that
Ramses does and says. And I spend as much time
with Ramses as I do with my children. We do
this work that we do every day, and we are
(27:22):
fighting aggressively for the same mission. But we don't agree
on one hundred percent of things ourselves. Malcolm was making
a point at a time before now, in a time
before the last thirty years, because now things might get
back to worse than they were, but for the last
(27:46):
thirty years it might have been the best of times
for black people in this country.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
As much as we endured and as much as we.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Went through considering what we see coming, we might have
just experienced the best of it. And what Malcolm was saying,
as Ramses articulated, but Rams's articulated it so smoothly, I
want to put a little more of my mad back
on it. A lot of people are simultaneously minority and white,
(28:22):
and in moments of conflict, they can always go back
to being white. That's what Malcolm was talking about. Most
conservative Democrats work and vote and create policy with conservative Republicans.
Most liberal Republicans work with, have coffee with, and dinner with,
(28:44):
and take vacations with people of the other party that
share the same values. And the people who have been
caught up as the pawn in that game for the
entirety of this country. Once we got a voice, quote
unquote is black people, how do we manipulate people like
(29:04):
James Harrison, Director Paul or Feel or whatever his name is,
and to thinking how we think and voting according to
our interest and not their own. So because, as Ramses said,
the aggressive agenda of those in charge in this country,
who have almost overwhelmingly been white, I think we just
(29:26):
had our fourth black senator ever, something crazy like that,
or fourth black woman senator. It's a really alarming stat
fourth ever, one, two, three, four ever.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You turn around and you look around, and you realize,
no one.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Is pushing our progress at the rate that we wish
because it's not their progress. It's not even more complicated
than that.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's well said.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It's not their progress. So no, white liberals are not
the superheroes that we wish they were. But some white people,
I'm not gonna call you liberal, conservative, Republican or democrats.
Some white people spend their lives trying to help us.
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
We know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Some of them give their personally, they have.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Given and continue to give life, reputation, family friendship to
stand up for us. So again, what brother, The point
that brother Malcolm was trying to make is well received,
But to make it that the worst enemy to black
people is the white liberal, it'singuous. Was not true, brother Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, I think you said it best. It was just
a it was a misrepresented quote. It's it's something that
is convenient.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
And google that quote because he goes on to give
you explain are more information and context because it's a
nuanced conversation that people people like this remove the nuance
from intentionally so that they can manipulate you and then
present themselves as ally as brother, as someone who's showing
you the light and freeing you from being a brainwashed sheep.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And and if either of these people, the James T.
Harris person or this other director Phil person could convince
me that Malcolm X would vote for Donald Trump, man,
I would love to hear you do the mental gymnastics
necessary to be sure.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
They would try.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
They would do their best, I'm sure, but I don't
know that. I know they wouldn't succeed. That's just not realistic.
It would be funny to watch them try, though, right.
So that's that will leave it right here, now, open
the floor up to you. You got something to add,
of course, you can use red microphone talk back feature
(31:47):
on the iHeartRadio app. Outside of that, catch me on
all social media. I'm at Ramsy's job.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I am q Ward on all socials as well.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And hopefully we don't got to talk about these people
no more until next time, y'all peace. This has been
a production of the Black Information Network. Today's show is
produced by Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts you'd like to share,
use the red microphone talkback feature on the iHeartRadio APPM.
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