June 2, 2025 • 48 mins
GNN News anchor and media journalist Katie Gray joins Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward on today's episode to discuss some of the top news stories from this past weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
our weekend recap featuring Bin News anchor Katie Gray. This
is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast. I am ramses
(00:21):
Jah and I am q Ward. Right, Katie Gray, welcome
back to the show. What is the latest and the
greatest in your world?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh my goodness, honestly, I am. This year has just
flying by. I have so many blessings. I have so
many exciting news, winning an award, winning a state award,
being honored by educators, which I have the utmost respect
for anyways, so that's exciting. I'll be receiving that award
in June, so I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right, congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And then at an ABJ conference it's coming up in August.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm very excited. Last year he was my first.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Year attending, having the opportunity to meet so many amazing journalists,
and I actually will get to be a panelist on
the health and Research in Sciences.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, Okay, well, I'm glad I asked. I'll speak
for the both of us. We're very proud of you
as good news, indeed good for you. Well, keep going,
keep going so well, I guess we will let the
folks know exactly why you are so highly acclaimed by
getting your thoughts on the news. So first up, this
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is from the New York Post. Some voters think the
Democratic Party should trade the donkey for the sloth or
a deer in the headlights, according to the revelations of
a consultant who's conducted more than two hundred focus groups.
Democratic researcher I'm not Schenker Osario told The New York
Times that voters she's spoken with tell her the Democrats
would be the meekest and slowest members of the animal kingdom.
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Shanker Osorio will typically ask the swing voters in some
two hundred and fifty focus groups to compare the two
political parties to animals in hopes of getting people to
divulge their true feelings. The difference between the two sides
is stark as the Democratic Party continues to lose support
among key demographics and has poor approval scores. Dems are
usually labeled as tortoises, slugs or sloths by voters. Schenker
(02:18):
Osario told The Times. Meanwhile, Republicans are typically seen as lions, tigers,
and sharks by voters because those animals are apex predators.
The researcher told The Times. So, you know, I guess
your early thoughts and reactions to this news, Katie, what's up?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I mean, honestly, I have clearly a lot of thoughts
on it. I think the.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
First is that it wasn't to me a slightly more
creative way on trying to check the temperature I think
talked before, especially like you know, around the closure around
the election cycle, and there's a lot of tension obviously
on multiple different parties when it's when it's around elections.
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But it's to me a creative way of trying to
kind of ask people their perspectives on where we kind
of stand on those two parties without asking them, you know,
because there is a lot of association to like a
specific animal. I can't say that I was surprised by
this article just kind of based off of, you know,
some of the responses and not just from this particular
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journalist and this this article, but even just you know,
I think there was a lot of people, regardless over
what side they were on. One of the questions is,
you know, with so many things that have passed, especially
when they haven't had as much popularity, the question would
be that, you know, because of our checks and balances,
where do you really have you know, Democrats kind of
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getting pushback on some of the legislation that Republicans are
being able to move through.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So it's not entirely surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It does kind of speak to insinuation of more tension
and arounds. Necessarily, they're not being a balance between the
two when it comes to things that are getting past
or things that are being focused on politically.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I think I have an idea of what you
might say, Q, but I'd love to hear you say
it your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's a very interesting parallel. And you know, we're in
the process of writing a book and storytelling is really
really important, and our political climate is it's like a
movie right now, and it's very similar to movies. And
I'll just use Transformers because they pumped into my head
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right now. Transformers, the autobots, the good guys they turn
into cars, and the biggest one just turns into a
semi truck, and that's like the biggest one. The bad guys,
the Decepticons, they turn into tank and aircraft carrier fighters
and fighter jets and wait, they're way stronger and way
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more powerful, and they care way less about what happens
to anybody that's not on their team. And that's like
the current state of this country. And because of that,
the world now, except in the movies, there's a moral compass,
and the good guys win because it's the right thing
to do.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The other side of the isle doesn't care anything about
the right thing to do.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They are united in their goal to have absolute control,
absolute power, and seemingly absolute wealth, and there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That they won't do to.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Reach that end, including breaking the law and violating our constitution.
And the reason why the other side seems weak and
slow is because they seem to still be playing by
these rules that no one else is playing by.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It is it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Will be the equivalent of being in a boxing match
and the rules or hey, you can't hit below the
belt and you can't headbutt at the start of the fight.
You're obeying those rules because you think if you break
those rules, there's a penalty. But if the other guy
keeps headbutting you and hitting you below the belt and
there's no penalty, but you've decided no, I have to
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stick to the rules and be the good guy. The
people watching are going to start to perceive you as weak.
They are going to start to perceive you as not
having a CounterPunch, not having anything else you can do
but just lose. And it feels like that now, like
it feels like there's nothing we can do to change
this reality. And there's a segment of our population that
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keeps waiting for the good guys to win, because that's
how the movies play out. Except this ain't a movie,
dog Like, this is real life. No one's coming to
save us. There is no good guy that wins just because.
And I remember during the election talking to a friend
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of mine about the possible outcomes if the other side won,
and I remember him telling me, you're being ridiculous. There's
no way any of that's going to happen. And the
only thing that I said that hasn't already happened. And
Year one, first few months is slavery coming back, which
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no longer seems like an impossible, crazy, imaginative thing to say,
But every other thing I said that seemed so far
fetched and like it couldn't happen because everyone thought we
had all these guard roils in place that would stop it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
All of it is happening.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So it's easy to look at the Democratic Party and
think that they're slow and weak and again don't have
a CounterPunch, like you're losing every time now and we're
watching the other side do what they want with impunity.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Who's going to stop them? And the answer might sadly
be no one. Well, the one thing that I expected
for you to say is that, you know, Democrats are
still playing by an old set of rules, a really
really old set of rules that are based on morals,
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what's morally just, and that are based on like laws
and common decency, human decency. And I think that I
really started to see the Republicans approach through Mitch McConnell,
because Mitch McConnell, you know, the Filibusters famously stood in
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the way of progressive progress since the days of Doctor King, right,
and you know there's ways around that. There's you know,
there's there's all sorts of things, right. The Supreme Court
has been you know, it's been possible to stack the
Supreme Court. It has been possible to been the rules
or break them with no consequences. Right. And then when
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I saw Mitch McConnell simply refused to engage, simply refuse
to do his job, or or block legislators, stand in
the way, whatever, and he just was unapologetic about it, right,
And when when when the when the flip side came around,
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he was like, no, this is we're in a position
to do what it is that we need to do.
We need to put forth an agenda that he didn't
hold that same moral line. It was basically, these rules
are for y'all, not for me. Right, And he was,
you know, in he was the boss. He was not
the boss, but he was in charge. So then I'm
like okay, and everybody is okay. There was a stunning
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silence on the right. So I'm like, okay, this isn't
politics as usual. Okay, now this is under Trump one
point zero. Then, of course Democrats had you know, a
bright moment in the sun by getting the White House
back with Joe Biden. But I think that that provided
me and maybe a lot of us with that false
(10:09):
sense of okay, the good guys are eventually going to win, right.
We kind of got that, and I think it was
really easy to feel that way because Democrats had the House,
the White House. But I think that we lost sight
of the fact that it was Joe Bidden, Joe Biden,
trim Joe Biden that actually won the presidency, and Joe
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Biden wasn't the person that anybody was excited about. People
were still excited about Bernie, people were excited about, you know,
any number of candidates. Joe Biden wasn't even you know,
the he was just kind of the last person. He
was in the race long enough for the powers that
be to say, you know what, he's going to appeal
to a lot of never trumpers, So let's let's you
(11:00):
can figure this primary around. You know, Joe Biden, but
he never had the strongest mess and he wasn't the
rousing leader, none of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So and we also know there was many voters that
voted for him with the association. This is kind of
like Obama came back. There's a too elements where he's
kind of in the white that's fair, that's fair, And
then the second he took office, they were like, oh yeah,
he's not.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Indeed, this isn't. But there's another point there too, is
that Joe Biden was he told everybody that he was
only going to be a one term president, and a
lot of people really believe that. I certainly believed it
because you know, you got to remember the climate at
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that time. We were done. We just had the the
the Black Lives Matter movement in twenty twenty. Everybody was,
you know, and old white men in politics making decisions
for the entirety of country has really left a lot
of folks behind. Now, Joe Biden just happened to be
the person again, the last man standing, based on you know,
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the influence of more powerful Democrats than him and donors
and so forth. But him saying okay, I'm just only
going to do this one time, you know, and we're like, okay,
this is the man for the moment. We ended up
in a tough spot. And so you end up with
Democrats that have been using the same excuse for a
long time. While the filibuster, oh you know whatever, Democrats
who sabotage their own party. You know, they they took
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Bernie Sanders out twice in a row, you know, and
a lot of people were really excited about voting for
Bernie Sanders's that really represented a huge amount of voters
in this country. And they have that happen to them
twice was a lot. So there's been people who've been like,
you know, and then they get power and then it's like, well,
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they always have an excuse. Meanwhile, when you look at Republicans,
what they do when they get power is they will
makes stuff happened, and they don't care about decorum, They
don't care about really too much of anything. As Q mentioned,
they simply just care about what they're on and that's it.
They will sacrifice the country if it means that half
the country gets well, not even half a fraction of
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the country gets something, and the rest of that half
of the country gets a comfortable lie to live with.
Everybody will be on the same page for that, and
you know, it's the reality we live in. So these
animals they kind of check out. But fortunately, it seems
like there are people on the left who are getting
the message and they're ratcheting up their efforts. You know,
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maybe they're slow learners, but it does feel like some
folks are finally starting to learn. You know, there's no
more space for writing letters for people and you know,
long speeches and you know, like direct action at least
let some people know you don't like it like out loud,
which are actions, you know what I mean. So we'll
see what they can do with it. But we got
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a long three and a half years before the presidency
is something that we have to consider again, and as
Q had mentioned, that's only if we get the opportunity
to do that anyway. Next up, this from Hollywood Unlocked.
Rapper Slim Thug is back online with another controversial and
thought provoking take, as he claims a lot of men
these days have women ways because their mothers kept them
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from their fathers and on child support. In a recent
live stream, Slim Thug told his followers, a lot of
kids quote, a lot of kids, especially men these days,
got women ways. They was raised by their mama, and
their mama got child support and they kept the daddy
away from them, so they didn't see how daddy had
to work and pay that child support. They didn't see
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how daddy had to work and get that money and
pay that child support. So they don't even appreciate the money.
It's just another check they get every month. So while
they think they're helping their child by getting that money
for them, they're really weakening that child by showing them
that things supposed to just come to them. They're supposed
to get this free every month. You get whatever you
want for free. Everyone. It's just like that. That's raising
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a weak man. It goes on to say, because when
it's time to do the blank that men are supposed
to do, they're not going to know how to do
it because all their life they had to do was
wait on that check. So when it comes to getting
active and working hard, they don't even know the first
step to do that because all they saw mama do
was sit down and get that check. It was just
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collecting that check. It was easy. So that is a
that is a perspective from slim Thug. Your thoughts, Katie, I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Gonna promise this that I actually can't wait until I
hear what you have to say on it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Very strung rais.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, honestly, like, there were so there again, so
many thoughts, right, uh, there was so many things that
were I'm going to be bold and say problematic the argument.
It is an opinion in the stance, but it doesn't
that it's a sound argument. One of the things I
thought right off the bat from the name of the article,
it's such a loaded statement. What are women ways? In itself?
(16:10):
You have so much? That is such a loaded comment
in itself without having anything to back it up with.
The other thing too, I would even argue is, yes,
it is an opinion, but according to the stats, at
least over the US, it doesn't fit his narrative.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It doesn't support that argument.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So one aspect would be the insinuation right that, Okay,
we're looking at a single mom. Parents are split up.
The child, I'm assuming from his argument is with the mother.
I have heard some people have many of an argument
of saying, oh, well, you know, in courts they always
favor the mom, not actually looking at in the majority
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of those cases, I know the stats are in the
nineties we are talking about where the dad in those
situations don't even put up and fight for their rights.
So a judge doesn't even have to weigh in on
a decision because the second the question came up, you
have I know the percentages in the nineties of fathers
that just go no, there, it's fine. The child can
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be in with the mother and So when you have
those situations that are many, many fathers that are forfeiting
those rights, how can we then turn around and paint
a negative picture of these single moms that are supporting
their children when they aren't. They're not necessarily going to
bat on that level of custody. Then the other aspect
would be, even if we were going to argue about
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the mother's collecting checks, the amount of cost of living
has gone up drastically, and still looking at the average paycheck,
the average child support check. I also looked that up
today because I was very curious about it. Four one
hundred and thirty dollars a month, four hundred and thirty
And we're obviously as we chat on different parts of
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the country, I will argue, I do know out no
estate where four hundred and thirty dollars is going to
pretty much do much. I could say for myself, that
wouldn't even pay that wouldn't even begin to pay my rent,
let alone groceries, insurance, all the other factors and another
well more.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I love stats.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I love art, you know, I love looking at whatever
the data is.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Another thing that was really interesting, I think it was
New York Times or Washington Post, they recently did a
breakdown in an article about the average price right now
at costs to raise a child, either of.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know that right now, like in the.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
In thepartment, not taking into account childcare, right just the
average of normal expenses. I think it did break down
between insurance, food, rent, utilities, all that, you know, ass
just basic aspects, the essentials. It's around thirty thousand dollars
a year wool, so thirty thousand dollars. So then when
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you break down that, I think in Georgia, I think
right now, recently the average person cannot pay childcare for
under between five and seven hundred dollars a week. So
now that amounts that four hundred and thirty dollars. And
that's assuming that this person is consistently getting child support,
which also doesn't happen necessarily across the board in our country.
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I mean, like I said, all of his argument just
seems completely dismantled at that point, Like it's it's you know,
it's a stance, it's an opinion. But I'm like, statistically
and when you look at you know, across the board,
it doesn't And that's me trying to entertain the concept
of trying to understand the perspective of what is woman ways.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You're a tough act to follow.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, Like I said, I love my I'll go with data.
Let's look at it, let's dive into it.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So, yeah, a lot to unpack here. The first thing
that stood out to me were the words women ways,
because I had no idea what that was supposed to mean.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Like, I don't even know what he was trying to mean.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I am the product of a single mother, the strongest,
most resilient, most powerful human being I've ever encountered.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
As my mom.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yes, Lord, and my father left that woman when I
was three years old and left her to figure it
all out by herself. There was no child support, there
was no assistance, there was no help.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It was just her.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I have six sisters, I'm raising a daughter. Women ways
is such a diverse, expansive thing to say. And now
that I've said all that, I do know what he
was trying to mean. And that's why this is a
very clumsy thing for him to say out loud, because
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I think by women ways, he means weak, he means
the toxic propaganda type definition of feminine, the stereotypical housewife,
a bunch of things that take more than that headline
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and more than everything that he said in that story
to explain. It's a much more nuanced conversation than most
people are prepared to have, and you arrive at clumsy
statements like the headline. The headline caught me off guarden
away where I was like, man, I wish we didn't
have to talk about this because we don't get to
talk to him. And he didn't bring enough awareness, or
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enough background, or enough data or enough information to make
a sound argument. Whatever he was trying to say, whatever
he was trying to mean, even what he said to
support it kind of didn't make any sense. The idea
that every woman that's getting I'll support is sitting at
home doing nothing, waiting for the big check to arrive,
where in most cases they're barely getting enough money to
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support the children from the man who's not present.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's a really.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
We need several hours and several days and several months
of research and pear reviews and all types of things
happen to have the conversation on the topic that he
tried to broach, and oftentimes men unfortunately broached that topic
in a very clumsy, very lazy, non nuanced, non informative,
non data driven way, and it's just all macho stereotype
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kind of slender and using the term women wait as
a pejorative is a very very dangerous thing to do
in front of people. And that's where that's where I'll
leave off.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, no, I'm with you there. There's there's something to
be said about men becoming more disillusioned, men becoming more angry,
men feeling like they've been forgotten. There's something to be
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said about that because once upon a time in this country,
it was the girls. Speaking of boys and girls, it
was the girls who were lacking, they were lagging behind
the boys. You know, boys went to college, boys got
the jobs, boys made the money, boys had the opportunities.
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And then for decades there was this shift in sort
of female empowerment. And a lot of people have a
lot of issues on what that looks like and what
time frame it encompasses and what all it entailed. But
the fact is is that the data supports them that
women corrected and then over corrected that imbalance. And you know,
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there's a lot of data that suggests that women over
correcting has caused now the boys and ultimately, the men
to be left behind without options and so forth, and
it's hard for men to find their way in their careers,
certainly in dating. You know, I think it's there's something
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to be said about the data, and if I'm wrong,
you can correct me. But I think it's like two
thirds of women I couldn't give you the age range,
but young women will say are in relationships, and one
third of young men are in relationships. And that means
that women are dating older because that's where they you know,
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dating older represents more mobility and stability and so forth
for these for these women. So young men get left behind,
and angry young men who have been forgotten end up
making statements based on half truths and sometimes entire falsehoods. Now,
this statement from slim Thug, My belief is that this
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is an echo of the sort of welfare queen narrative
that the right was so successful and chronicling in really
the eighties, you know, when crack was you know, a
big deal, and you know that just was that time
there was this idea of this welfare queen for those
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that aren't uninitiated. A welfare queen was one of those
people that simply didn't want to work, simply wanted to
have a ton of babies and collect money for having
the babies. Right. And I don't even need to get
into the weeds of this one, but for anybody who
would just think about that for a second, in order
to have a bunch of babies, you have to keep
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the babies alive, right, which is not easy, especially when
you have no money and nothing to do with these kids. Right.
So no one's having kids just to have babies. I mean,
maybe there are some people who that's the only thing
that they think of, but it's certainly not the majority. Right.
And there have been people who have attacked the entire
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welfare system in this country because of the potential for
those people to make up more than zero percent of
the population who's benefiting from the welfare system. Right, they'll
attack the whole thing, dismantle the whole thing because someone
might be abusing it. Right. And Q could speak more
to this than I could, because Q has kind of
taken our show in this direction a number of times,
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and it's a masterful explanation. If you want, you can
jump back in. But while I'm here, I'll add that
it is human nature to have a life with purpose.
It is a part and parcel to our nature, to
our very existence, to have something to offer the world.
And absent you know, drugs and you know all other
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sorts of like like those that type of distraction, we're
going to pursue a life of purpose. Right. So this
this idea that black people are lazy, it's hilarious to
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me because they brought us over here because of how
hard we was going to work for them, so they
could be lazy. But anyway, the idea that black people
are lazy and we just want to lie around all
day doing nothing except doing drugs and having babies, and
this is the sum total of our aspirations as a people.
This is the best that we can do with our existence.
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It completely misses the idea that there are systemic factors
that have led us here, but they were so successful
in chronicling this narrative that indeed, the echo of the
narrative of a welfare makes its way to the mouth
of slim thug we're now talking about on our show. Right, So,
I think, to both of you guys's points, this is nonsense,
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but it is based in a well entrenched idea that
many people hold to be true. And when you couple
that with the overcorrection for girls, that coupled with the
toxic masculinity that is prevalent online, you end up with
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this mixture, this explosive mixture of frustration and confusion and
anger that is often targeted at minorities, immigrants, the entire
left somehow, or women. And this is how we end
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up in a situation like this where slim Tha can say, well,
a lot of men have women ways because their moms
was getting checks and whatever. Nonsense he said. It doesn't
bear repeating anybody.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
There's a lot to unpack with the absence of fathers
in the home, Like there's a that's a conversation to have.
It's just trying to have that conversation fast. It's how
you end up with a silly statement.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And I appreciated both of you already kind of uh,
you know, touched on it the issue that Okay, if
that is, if that is necessarily what he meant by
that statement, and if it was an argument of hey,
we're starting to see a cultural shift, a generational shift.
That isn't a conversation about an absence of a father
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in a at home, right, Why is that now also
being the woman's fault, and we're not recognizing why men
aren't in those roles.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Can I add two this? So watch this and you
and I this. We've broken this down a few times
on civic cipher. So when it comes to black men
specifically there it's very much a myth that black men
are absentee fathers. Black men are indeed the most involved
fathers of all racial groups. This is something that is
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documented that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Sagan, I'm a past I'm a personal testimony that I
was raised primarily by my dad.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Picture there you go.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, So, but yes, the CDC did a study maybe
about ten years or so ago, and they broke it
down by race, and it turns out that black men
are indeed the most involved fathers, the most likely to
do homework with children, most likely to change diapers, the
most likely to pick children up from school, the most
likely of all racial groups, right the most involved fathers.
(30:51):
Right now, in terms of absentee fathers, if we take
all this data and we try to correct for, okay,
how many of these black men are in jail relative
to you know, other populations, and now we're looking at
over policing. We're looking at unfair uh an unfair, carcible
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system in its entirety, you know, sentencing, policing, criminalization of
certain you know, economic, economically viable, you know, whatever pathways
in society, you name it. Right now, we're talking about
systemic impression. But let's let's correct for that, and let's
also correct for Black men that have died. You know
what I mean, Black men we die younger than anybody else, right,
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so of all, like major ethnic groups, we're the ones
that are going to die and the youngest, right, So
we correct for all of that. Now, what you're looking
at is the real data. So you would have to
correct for a lot of systemic issues to just get
that off. To say, well, black men are not in
the home. No black men are. It's true. Yes, black
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men are less likely to be married to to women
in the home. But there's history there, and this comes
from the left, because once upon a time, if a
black man was married to a black woman, they could
not get assistance if there was a father in the home.
There was if there was a husband in the house, right,
And so marriage was not economically viable for families that
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were living in depressed circumstances. And this goes all the
way back to indeed, the Depression and the echo of
the Great Depression in this country. Right, So what you
have is a slow churning cultural shift. Now this Black
men were married well into the seventies, and black women
and so forth, but you know, the echo of that incident,
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and they with the Great Depression coupled with democratic leadership
over the years. And that is fair, That is fair
a lot of people that have criticisms of Democrats, it is,
it is well established. But that those things have created
a culture where marriage is less important. Less important is
(33:05):
not the right word. I want to say, maybe less common.
But it doesn't mean that black men are not fathering
their children. And if black men are not fathered the
last thing I'll say real quick you and if black
men are not fathering their children, it is not at
some crazy rate that is inconsistent with any other race. Right.
But again, they've been very good at spotlighting us as
(33:28):
somehow criminal, bad, negligent, whatever, and so we end up
with again statements like slim thug ahead you. I just
want to make sure I said that.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I just I wanted to stop you from saying it
again because he didn't say black men. He's just said men.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I think, yeah, that's what I was curious about too.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But I will say too, as you mentioned about trying
to deconstruct and really having to deep in, because I
will tell you I love data. So if it was
a hey, as a culture, we really want to research
this component on how it's shaping our culture, I'm all
for it.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Another thing I would want to.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Add to that though, or be curious about, because I
don't know the answer, would be what are the type
of even.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Pressures and cultural setups.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
That we have that might even discourage men necessarily from
having those same opportunities to show up for their kids.
So here's the example. I don't think either of you
saw it. There was a coach. I'm not great with sports,
but there was a coach, a very well known coach
that got a bunch of questions because he missed a
game because he went to his daughter's like graduation. I
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think I think she was like eleven or twelve. The
fact that he had to answer those questions. They were like, hey,
do you think that it was okay for you to
miss like this was a huge game, and he was like, hey,
this I was going to show up for my daughter,
like the fact that he even had to kind of
continue to reiterate. They didn't want to ask him any
other questions. Explain to us why you took a step
back from your career and something that should have been
(34:54):
important to show up for your daughter, And he was like,
I don't need to explain that, and I do under
was it a big deal because you don't see that
as much and I don't know. It kind of was
a very eye opening to me. That made me wonder that,
you know, what, would is it harder? Would that necessarily
be more of a oh no, you can't get off early,
or you can't have those extra days off.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I don't know, because I do know that we do
recognize employment does shift, and that is a question for
employers when it comes to women and hiring them. Do
they have kids? Are they thinking about leving kids? But
we don't ask that same expectation for men. Is it
also because we assume they're not going to be there
and be in the home and show up, want to
show up for their children?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, no, that's that's definitely. I'm sure that that has
some a place in the it's factoring into this to
some degree as well. So you know, all of these
things sound sound reasonable. I think that the thing that
this is funniest to me is like when Dave Chappelle's, like,
(35:59):
you know, in Nihil eleven happened and MTV was calling
jaw Rule to get jow Rules thoughts on it, like,
oh my gosh, jaw Rule, what are we supposed to
do in this moment? And the point was that jow
Rule is not going to have the answers of what
we're supposed to do because two airplanes crashed into the buildings.
This is kind of how I feel about Slimdug, you
know what I mean, Like the slim Dog's not going
to have the answers. Hey, what's up?
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next up from people. An actor from the Wire painfully
and emotionally recalled the moment that tornado hit his Georgia home,
leaving it destroyed and sending his eighteen year old son
(37:09):
to the ICU quote. My son was thrown three hundred
feet from his room, said Trey Cheney, who played Malik
pot Car on the acclaimed HBO television series. This was
in an Instagram video about the tornado that struck his
Henry County house on Thursday, May twenty ninth. At the
beginning of the video, Cheney, who stood in front of
(37:30):
his now destroyed home, said he had just gotten out
of the hospital and was planning to visit his son,
identified by the family as Malachi. In the ICU quote
three pm today May twenty ninth, the tornado came through
every county. I lost my house, I lost everything in it,
he said. In the clip, Chenny said that he and
Malachi were having a beautiful day and relaxing before the
tornado's arrival. Then three o'clock today, in a split second,
(37:53):
my house was gone. This is according to his statement
in the video and a statement posted in a follow
up Instagram post. Cheney recalled that he was unconscious on
the ground after the tornado struck, with mud on his
face and parts of the home on top of him. Quote.
I woke up in a panic, crawled from under my
house screaming my son's name out. My neighbors were there
(38:14):
to assist me, and finally we found my son three
hundred feet away in the woods behind my house. He
further wrote that Malachi is in the hospital and that
he and his wife are have not left their son's side.
So today I learned that Georgia has tornadoes. I did
not know that before today. So give us your thoughts here, Katie.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, so well, actually I will give you that because
I was.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Reporting on it all weekend because of the Georgia piece
to it.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
We do. Actually Georgia.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
People forget like or don't realize our country as an
I say, whole is really crazy when it comes to
the different types of climates that we have. In fact,
for people don't know America's I think the only country
in the world where we have all of the different climates,
and so in the southeast we have a tropical climate,
so we do get hurricanes, tornadoes, all of it, all
(39:13):
the fun action. I guess for meteorologists it can be
rather exciting to have so much to cover. This was
really devastating when I saw the story, because I think
it was really eye opening that when you do have
things like tornadoes, they can be so sudden. And I
think that, you know, we always want to think that
it's something that you wanted. It obviously doesn't happen to you,
(39:36):
and it's something that doesn't happen in such a well
populated area, and that it could happen that quickly. But
I mean, it's you know, that's really my thoughts on it,
and that I really hope that his son is okay.
That's devastating, does no matter who you are.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, that's what stood out the most to me.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You know, I'm a father, speaking of which, and to
try to process the idea that a tornado would hit
my house and I find Grayson three hundred feet away
from the house, I I can't even try to process
what that's like. So the house, the weather, those parts
(40:22):
of the story kind of we're background noise, him having
him to crawl from under his destroyed house to find
his son. That's that's an impossible thing to try to imagine.
And actually reached out to him and sent some prayers
because that's tough.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, we will continue to monitor the story, and I
think you said it best. You know, we're gonna keep
him in our and our thoughts and in our prayers
for our final story. Today's from The Economic Times. Donald
Trump has waged in on Sean Diddy Combs's ongoing trial.
Did He who is currently facing serious federal charges, has
a complicated relationship with President Trump, and the President isn't
(41:06):
ruling anything out just yet. The President discussed his past
friendship with Combs and whether he would pardon him if
found guilty during the rappers federal trial for trafficking and racketeering,
which is presently taking place in New York. When asked
if he would pardon Combs in the Oval Office, Trump responded, quote,
I would certainly look at the facts if I think
somebody was mistreated, whether they like me or don't like me, unquote,
(41:29):
as he loves to do, Trump tease the situation by
adding quote it wouldn't have any impact on me unquote,
as per report by Deadline. So yep, Katie.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I don't say this. I don't say this quickly, especially
as a journalist. I don't say this quickly because I
hate when people come to that it sounds like clickbait.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
It's just clickbait.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And the reason why I feel very confident in saying
that is, at first, obviously the headline kind of catches
your eye and then read into it, and for anybody
who does want to look it up, the story is
really short.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
It just kind of repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
It poses the way that it's written, it sounds like
I asked the question and he didn't say no, so
therefore he could do you know which? You know? It
kind of it really paints a on I would say,
unclear kind of picture, like it would be different if
(42:31):
we were talking about Oh, he took to social media
and he's focusing on the case.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Honestly, like this could be just many.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Different ways of possibly a one clickbait and then too
a way to even distract from other things. I think
there are so many other priorities right now that Trump
and his administration are focusing on that, in my opinion,
are a lot more noteworthy on things that really do
make a bigger difference when we are talking about constitutional
(43:01):
rights and judges and all of the different moving parts.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I would be very surprised.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I I don't want to say surprised, but I would
be surprised if anything really actually comes from it, primarily
because with a lot of the other moves we've kind
of talked about this, Trump is very clear he doesn't.
I mean, it's interesting to me when people are like, oh,
I didn't know he meant it. I didn't know he
actually was going to do it. It's like, no, he
said right off the gate, this was what he was
(43:29):
going to do, and then he did it, and then
people are surprised he did it when he said he
was going to do it. So this one, to me,
he is a lot more coy and that's not his record,
Like he doesn't pretend to do something and then he
does it. Like he's very adamant. Like you know, all
the things about the plane he was very vocal about,
we were all clear where he stands. But this, honestly,
(43:52):
like even I think the last line of it, where
the way he responded to it tells you a lot. Well,
I don't see what he would get out of it, right,
There's no because if somebody tried to ask me earlier,
they were like, oh, well, you know, isn't there could
be something that could come to light that could incriminate him,
And I was like, could, But just being honest and transparent,
(44:16):
he doesn't seem to really care about any of the
other allegations and things that have come against him. I mean,
being convicted didn't end up stopping him or creating any
obstacles of getting back into presidency. So you know, even
if something else comes to light, I would be really
hard pressed to see if that would end up changing
anything or actually impacting him negatively. So why pardon you know?
(44:38):
That was my thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
I hate that we have such an unserious president that
a headline like this even makes us pause, because either way,
he wouldn't really shock us, Like if he did it,
no one would be like, like, I can't believe he did that,
because he'd find a reason to think it's beneficial. And
(45:02):
an unfortunate truth is that there are a lot of
black people. I won't say a lot because maybe that's
not fair. There are absolutely some though, who would applaud it,
who he would get some kudos from, who he'd now
be on their side. See, I told you he wasn't racist.
Look at all these black people he's helping, even though
they're all just celebrity or noteworthy people that he's not actually.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Doing anything for. I e.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Larry Hoover, who he pardoned, but it didn't change his
circumstances at all. We got a two hundred year sentence
that won't be impacted at all. But I literally saw
black people on Beyonce's Internet cheering and applauding that he
was freeing you know, someone that they heard whose name
they heard in the rap song before, because I'm sure
(45:49):
they don't know anything about Larry Hoover. So we have
a very unserious president man, and once upon a time
the president weighing in to potend pardon somebody being charged
and convicted, I mean being charged and accused of the
things that Sean Colmes is being accused of in his
own trial.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
For no President whatever.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Weighed in those waters, and even be KOI even let
the door stand open, like this is something that I
might maybe consider or that I might look into. Most
decent presidents throughout our history would have said absolutely not
that there's something intentional even about him not answering, even
though you're right, Hedy, he is not. He doesn't typically
(46:31):
shy away from the things that he's going to do,
the things that he says he's going to do, even
if they're unpopular, even if they're you know, disgusting or
evil or whatever. He kind of stands on his stuff,
especially if it's going to harm someone. But KOI in
situations like this where he's being asked if he's going
to do something to help someone, and that's typically a
negotiating thing with him, like maybe you know, if there's
(46:53):
some benefit for me, maybe I will. And I'm sure
he has someone looking into you know, how would this
help my Q rating?
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I pardon? Did he? Yeah? But didn't keep him out
of prison at all. It's just a really.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
This him being the president is tough on my mental health. Man,
we'll get just being the president. And if he just
wasn't the president, I think all of my mental als
would just go away.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, I know that is true for you, But we'll
get through it together.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
We say it all the time to each other, so
we'll get through it together. We always do. So the
best we can do is just keep following the story.
So we will. And if you're interested in that story,
or any of the stories we talked about today, don't
forget that they can all be founded bi indnews dot com.
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your time and your insight. Once again, today's guest the
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(00:21):
Jah and I am q Ward. Right, Katie Gray, welcome
back to the show. What is the latest and the
greatest in your world?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh my goodness, honestly, I am. This year has just
flying by. I have so many blessings. I have so
many exciting news, winning an award, winning a state award,
being honored by educators, which I have the utmost respect
for anyways, so that's exciting. I'll be receiving that award
in June, so I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right, congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And then at an ABJ conference it's coming up in August.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm very excited. Last year he was my first.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Year attending, having the opportunity to meet so many amazing journalists,
and I actually will get to be a panelist on
the health and Research in Sciences.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, Okay, well, I'm glad I asked. I'll speak
for the both of us. We're very proud of you
as good news, indeed good for you. Well, keep going,
keep going so well, I guess we will let the
folks know exactly why you are so highly acclaimed by
getting your thoughts on the news. So first up, this
(01:32):
is from the New York Post. Some voters think the
Democratic Party should trade the donkey for the sloth or
a deer in the headlights, according to the revelations of
a consultant who's conducted more than two hundred focus groups.
Democratic researcher I'm not Schenker Osario told The New York
Times that voters she's spoken with tell her the Democrats
would be the meekest and slowest members of the animal kingdom.
(01:55):
Shanker Osorio will typically ask the swing voters in some
two hundred and fifty focus groups to compare the two
political parties to animals in hopes of getting people to
divulge their true feelings. The difference between the two sides
is stark as the Democratic Party continues to lose support
among key demographics and has poor approval scores. Dems are
usually labeled as tortoises, slugs or sloths by voters. Schenker
(02:18):
Osario told The Times. Meanwhile, Republicans are typically seen as lions, tigers,
and sharks by voters because those animals are apex predators.
The researcher told The Times. So, you know, I guess
your early thoughts and reactions to this news, Katie, what's up?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I mean, honestly, I have clearly a lot of thoughts
on it. I think the.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
First is that it wasn't to me a slightly more
creative way on trying to check the temperature I think
talked before, especially like you know, around the closure around
the election cycle, and there's a lot of tension obviously
on multiple different parties when it's when it's around elections.
(03:06):
But it's to me a creative way of trying to
kind of ask people their perspectives on where we kind
of stand on those two parties without asking them, you know,
because there is a lot of association to like a
specific animal. I can't say that I was surprised by
this article just kind of based off of, you know,
some of the responses and not just from this particular
(03:31):
journalist and this this article, but even just you know,
I think there was a lot of people, regardless over
what side they were on. One of the questions is,
you know, with so many things that have passed, especially
when they haven't had as much popularity, the question would
be that, you know, because of our checks and balances,
where do you really have you know, Democrats kind of
(03:53):
getting pushback on some of the legislation that Republicans are
being able to move through.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So it's not entirely surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It does kind of speak to insinuation of more tension
and arounds. Necessarily, they're not being a balance between the
two when it comes to things that are getting past
or things that are being focused on politically.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I think I have an idea of what you
might say, Q, but I'd love to hear you say
it your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's a very interesting parallel. And you know, we're in
the process of writing a book and storytelling is really
really important, and our political climate is it's like a
movie right now, and it's very similar to movies. And
I'll just use Transformers because they pumped into my head
(04:45):
right now. Transformers, the autobots, the good guys they turn
into cars, and the biggest one just turns into a
semi truck, and that's like the biggest one. The bad guys,
the Decepticons, they turn into tank and aircraft carrier fighters
and fighter jets and wait, they're way stronger and way
(05:10):
more powerful, and they care way less about what happens
to anybody that's not on their team. And that's like
the current state of this country. And because of that,
the world now, except in the movies, there's a moral compass,
and the good guys win because it's the right thing
to do.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The other side of the isle doesn't care anything about
the right thing to do.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They are united in their goal to have absolute control,
absolute power, and seemingly absolute wealth, and there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That they won't do to.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Reach that end, including breaking the law and violating our constitution.
And the reason why the other side seems weak and
slow is because they seem to still be playing by
these rules that no one else is playing by.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It is it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Will be the equivalent of being in a boxing match
and the rules or hey, you can't hit below the
belt and you can't headbutt at the start of the fight.
You're obeying those rules because you think if you break
those rules, there's a penalty. But if the other guy
keeps headbutting you and hitting you below the belt and
there's no penalty, but you've decided no, I have to
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stick to the rules and be the good guy. The
people watching are going to start to perceive you as weak.
They are going to start to perceive you as not
having a CounterPunch, not having anything else you can do
but just lose. And it feels like that now, like
it feels like there's nothing we can do to change
this reality. And there's a segment of our population that
(06:38):
keeps waiting for the good guys to win, because that's
how the movies play out. Except this ain't a movie,
dog Like, this is real life. No one's coming to
save us. There is no good guy that wins just because.
And I remember during the election talking to a friend
(06:59):
of mine about the possible outcomes if the other side won,
and I remember him telling me, you're being ridiculous. There's
no way any of that's going to happen. And the
only thing that I said that hasn't already happened. And
Year one, first few months is slavery coming back, which
(07:24):
no longer seems like an impossible, crazy, imaginative thing to say,
But every other thing I said that seemed so far
fetched and like it couldn't happen because everyone thought we
had all these guard roils in place that would stop it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
All of it is happening.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So it's easy to look at the Democratic Party and
think that they're slow and weak and again don't have
a CounterPunch, like you're losing every time now and we're
watching the other side do what they want with impunity.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Who's going to stop them? And the answer might sadly
be no one. Well, the one thing that I expected
for you to say is that, you know, Democrats are
still playing by an old set of rules, a really
really old set of rules that are based on morals,
(08:17):
what's morally just, and that are based on like laws
and common decency, human decency. And I think that I
really started to see the Republicans approach through Mitch McConnell,
because Mitch McConnell, you know, the Filibusters famously stood in
(08:41):
the way of progressive progress since the days of Doctor King, right,
and you know there's ways around that. There's you know,
there's there's all sorts of things, right. The Supreme Court
has been you know, it's been possible to stack the
Supreme Court. It has been possible to been the rules
or break them with no consequences. Right. And then when
(09:04):
I saw Mitch McConnell simply refused to engage, simply refuse
to do his job, or or block legislators, stand in
the way, whatever, and he just was unapologetic about it, right,
And when when when the when the flip side came around,
(09:25):
he was like, no, this is we're in a position
to do what it is that we need to do.
We need to put forth an agenda that he didn't
hold that same moral line. It was basically, these rules
are for y'all, not for me. Right, And he was,
you know, in he was the boss. He was not
the boss, but he was in charge. So then I'm
like okay, and everybody is okay. There was a stunning
(09:46):
silence on the right. So I'm like, okay, this isn't
politics as usual. Okay, now this is under Trump one
point zero. Then, of course Democrats had you know, a
bright moment in the sun by getting the White House
back with Joe Biden. But I think that that provided
me and maybe a lot of us with that false
(10:09):
sense of okay, the good guys are eventually going to win, right.
We kind of got that, and I think it was
really easy to feel that way because Democrats had the House,
the White House. But I think that we lost sight
of the fact that it was Joe Bidden, Joe Biden,
trim Joe Biden that actually won the presidency, and Joe
(10:37):
Biden wasn't the person that anybody was excited about. People
were still excited about Bernie, people were excited about, you know,
any number of candidates. Joe Biden wasn't even you know,
the he was just kind of the last person. He
was in the race long enough for the powers that
be to say, you know what, he's going to appeal
to a lot of never trumpers, So let's let's you
(11:00):
can figure this primary around. You know, Joe Biden, but
he never had the strongest mess and he wasn't the
rousing leader, none of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So and we also know there was many voters that
voted for him with the association. This is kind of
like Obama came back. There's a too elements where he's
kind of in the white that's fair, that's fair, And
then the second he took office, they were like, oh yeah,
he's not.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Indeed, this isn't. But there's another point there too, is
that Joe Biden was he told everybody that he was
only going to be a one term president, and a
lot of people really believe that. I certainly believed it
because you know, you got to remember the climate at
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that time. We were done. We just had the the
the Black Lives Matter movement in twenty twenty. Everybody was,
you know, and old white men in politics making decisions
for the entirety of country has really left a lot
of folks behind. Now, Joe Biden just happened to be
the person again, the last man standing, based on you know,
(12:08):
the influence of more powerful Democrats than him and donors
and so forth. But him saying okay, I'm just only
going to do this one time, you know, and we're like, okay,
this is the man for the moment. We ended up
in a tough spot. And so you end up with
Democrats that have been using the same excuse for a
long time. While the filibuster, oh you know whatever, Democrats
who sabotage their own party. You know, they they took
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Bernie Sanders out twice in a row, you know, and
a lot of people were really excited about voting for
Bernie Sanders's that really represented a huge amount of voters
in this country. And they have that happen to them
twice was a lot. So there's been people who've been like,
you know, and then they get power and then it's like, well,
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they always have an excuse. Meanwhile, when you look at Republicans,
what they do when they get power is they will
makes stuff happened, and they don't care about decorum, They
don't care about really too much of anything. As Q mentioned,
they simply just care about what they're on and that's it.
They will sacrifice the country if it means that half
the country gets well, not even half a fraction of
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the country gets something, and the rest of that half
of the country gets a comfortable lie to live with.
Everybody will be on the same page for that, and
you know, it's the reality we live in. So these
animals they kind of check out. But fortunately, it seems
like there are people on the left who are getting
the message and they're ratcheting up their efforts. You know,
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maybe they're slow learners, but it does feel like some
folks are finally starting to learn. You know, there's no
more space for writing letters for people and you know,
long speeches and you know, like direct action at least
let some people know you don't like it like out loud,
which are actions, you know what I mean. So we'll
see what they can do with it. But we got
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a long three and a half years before the presidency
is something that we have to consider again, and as
Q had mentioned, that's only if we get the opportunity
to do that anyway. Next up, this from Hollywood Unlocked.
Rapper Slim Thug is back online with another controversial and
thought provoking take, as he claims a lot of men
these days have women ways because their mothers kept them
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from their fathers and on child support. In a recent
live stream, Slim Thug told his followers, a lot of
kids quote, a lot of kids, especially men these days,
got women ways. They was raised by their mama, and
their mama got child support and they kept the daddy
away from them, so they didn't see how daddy had
to work and pay that child support. They didn't see
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how daddy had to work and get that money and
pay that child support. So they don't even appreciate the money.
It's just another check they get every month. So while
they think they're helping their child by getting that money
for them, they're really weakening that child by showing them
that things supposed to just come to them. They're supposed
to get this free every month. You get whatever you
want for free. Everyone. It's just like that. That's raising
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a weak man. It goes on to say, because when
it's time to do the blank that men are supposed
to do, they're not going to know how to do
it because all their life they had to do was
wait on that check. So when it comes to getting
active and working hard, they don't even know the first
step to do that because all they saw mama do
was sit down and get that check. It was just
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collecting that check. It was easy. So that is a
that is a perspective from slim Thug. Your thoughts, Katie, I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Gonna promise this that I actually can't wait until I
hear what you have to say on it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Very strung rais.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, honestly, like, there were so there again, so
many thoughts, right, uh, there was so many things that
were I'm going to be bold and say problematic the argument.
It is an opinion in the stance, but it doesn't
that it's a sound argument. One of the things I
thought right off the bat from the name of the article,
it's such a loaded statement. What are women ways? In itself?
(16:10):
You have so much? That is such a loaded comment
in itself without having anything to back it up with.
The other thing too, I would even argue is, yes,
it is an opinion, but according to the stats, at
least over the US, it doesn't fit his narrative.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It doesn't support that argument.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So one aspect would be the insinuation right that, Okay,
we're looking at a single mom. Parents are split up.
The child, I'm assuming from his argument is with the mother.
I have heard some people have many of an argument
of saying, oh, well, you know, in courts they always
favor the mom, not actually looking at in the majority
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of those cases, I know the stats are in the
nineties we are talking about where the dad in those
situations don't even put up and fight for their rights.
So a judge doesn't even have to weigh in on
a decision because the second the question came up, you
have I know the percentages in the nineties of fathers
that just go no, there, it's fine. The child can
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be in with the mother and So when you have
those situations that are many, many fathers that are forfeiting
those rights, how can we then turn around and paint
a negative picture of these single moms that are supporting
their children when they aren't. They're not necessarily going to
bat on that level of custody. Then the other aspect
would be, even if we were going to argue about
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the mother's collecting checks, the amount of cost of living
has gone up drastically, and still looking at the average paycheck,
the average child support check. I also looked that up
today because I was very curious about it. Four one
hundred and thirty dollars a month, four hundred and thirty
And we're obviously as we chat on different parts of
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the country, I will argue, I do know out no
estate where four hundred and thirty dollars is going to
pretty much do much. I could say for myself, that
wouldn't even pay that wouldn't even begin to pay my rent,
let alone groceries, insurance, all the other factors and another
well more.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I love stats.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I love art, you know, I love looking at whatever
the data is.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Another thing that was really interesting, I think it was
New York Times or Washington Post, they recently did a
breakdown in an article about the average price right now
at costs to raise a child, either of.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know that right now, like in the.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
In thepartment, not taking into account childcare, right just the
average of normal expenses. I think it did break down
between insurance, food, rent, utilities, all that, you know, ass
just basic aspects, the essentials. It's around thirty thousand dollars
a year wool, so thirty thousand dollars. So then when
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you break down that, I think in Georgia, I think
right now, recently the average person cannot pay childcare for
under between five and seven hundred dollars a week. So
now that amounts that four hundred and thirty dollars. And
that's assuming that this person is consistently getting child support,
which also doesn't happen necessarily across the board in our country.
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I mean, like I said, all of his argument just
seems completely dismantled at that point, Like it's it's you know,
it's a stance, it's an opinion. But I'm like, statistically
and when you look at you know, across the board,
it doesn't And that's me trying to entertain the concept
of trying to understand the perspective of what is woman ways.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You're a tough act to follow.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, Like I said, I love my I'll go with data.
Let's look at it, let's dive into it.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So, yeah, a lot to unpack here. The first thing
that stood out to me were the words women ways,
because I had no idea what that was supposed to mean.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Like, I don't even know what he was trying to mean.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I am the product of a single mother, the strongest,
most resilient, most powerful human being I've ever encountered.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
As my mom.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yes, Lord, and my father left that woman when I
was three years old and left her to figure it
all out by herself. There was no child support, there
was no assistance, there was no help.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It was just her.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I have six sisters, I'm raising a daughter. Women ways
is such a diverse, expansive thing to say. And now
that I've said all that, I do know what he
was trying to mean. And that's why this is a
very clumsy thing for him to say out loud, because
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I think by women ways, he means weak, he means
the toxic propaganda type definition of feminine, the stereotypical housewife,
a bunch of things that take more than that headline
(21:24):
and more than everything that he said in that story
to explain. It's a much more nuanced conversation than most
people are prepared to have, and you arrive at clumsy
statements like the headline. The headline caught me off guarden
away where I was like, man, I wish we didn't
have to talk about this because we don't get to
talk to him. And he didn't bring enough awareness, or
(21:45):
enough background, or enough data or enough information to make
a sound argument. Whatever he was trying to say, whatever
he was trying to mean, even what he said to
support it kind of didn't make any sense. The idea
that every woman that's getting I'll support is sitting at
home doing nothing, waiting for the big check to arrive,
where in most cases they're barely getting enough money to
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support the children from the man who's not present.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's a really.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
We need several hours and several days and several months
of research and pear reviews and all types of things
happen to have the conversation on the topic that he
tried to broach, and oftentimes men unfortunately broached that topic
in a very clumsy, very lazy, non nuanced, non informative,
non data driven way, and it's just all macho stereotype
(22:45):
kind of slender and using the term women wait as
a pejorative is a very very dangerous thing to do
in front of people. And that's where that's where I'll
leave off.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, no, I'm with you there. There's there's something to
be said about men becoming more disillusioned, men becoming more angry,
men feeling like they've been forgotten. There's something to be
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said about that because once upon a time in this country,
it was the girls. Speaking of boys and girls, it
was the girls who were lacking, they were lagging behind
the boys. You know, boys went to college, boys got
the jobs, boys made the money, boys had the opportunities.
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And then for decades there was this shift in sort
of female empowerment. And a lot of people have a
lot of issues on what that looks like and what
time frame it encompasses and what all it entailed. But
the fact is is that the data supports them that
women corrected and then over corrected that imbalance. And you know,
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there's a lot of data that suggests that women over
correcting has caused now the boys and ultimately, the men
to be left behind without options and so forth, and
it's hard for men to find their way in their careers,
certainly in dating. You know, I think it's there's something
(24:29):
to be said about the data, and if I'm wrong,
you can correct me. But I think it's like two
thirds of women I couldn't give you the age range,
but young women will say are in relationships, and one
third of young men are in relationships. And that means
that women are dating older because that's where they you know,
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dating older represents more mobility and stability and so forth
for these for these women. So young men get left behind,
and angry young men who have been forgotten end up
making statements based on half truths and sometimes entire falsehoods. Now,
this statement from slim Thug, My belief is that this
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is an echo of the sort of welfare queen narrative
that the right was so successful and chronicling in really
the eighties, you know, when crack was you know, a
big deal, and you know that just was that time
there was this idea of this welfare queen for those
(25:38):
that aren't uninitiated. A welfare queen was one of those
people that simply didn't want to work, simply wanted to
have a ton of babies and collect money for having
the babies. Right. And I don't even need to get
into the weeds of this one, but for anybody who
would just think about that for a second, in order
to have a bunch of babies, you have to keep
(25:59):
the babies alive, right, which is not easy, especially when
you have no money and nothing to do with these kids. Right.
So no one's having kids just to have babies. I mean,
maybe there are some people who that's the only thing
that they think of, but it's certainly not the majority. Right.
And there have been people who have attacked the entire
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welfare system in this country because of the potential for
those people to make up more than zero percent of
the population who's benefiting from the welfare system. Right, they'll
attack the whole thing, dismantle the whole thing because someone
might be abusing it. Right. And Q could speak more
to this than I could, because Q has kind of
taken our show in this direction a number of times,
(26:42):
and it's a masterful explanation. If you want, you can
jump back in. But while I'm here, I'll add that
it is human nature to have a life with purpose.
It is a part and parcel to our nature, to
our very existence, to have something to offer the world.
And absent you know, drugs and you know all other
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sorts of like like those that type of distraction, we're
going to pursue a life of purpose. Right. So this
this idea that black people are lazy, it's hilarious to
(27:27):
me because they brought us over here because of how
hard we was going to work for them, so they
could be lazy. But anyway, the idea that black people
are lazy and we just want to lie around all
day doing nothing except doing drugs and having babies, and
this is the sum total of our aspirations as a people.
This is the best that we can do with our existence.
(27:48):
It completely misses the idea that there are systemic factors
that have led us here, but they were so successful
in chronicling this narrative that indeed, the echo of the
narrative of a welfare makes its way to the mouth
of slim thug we're now talking about on our show. Right, So,
I think, to both of you guys's points, this is nonsense,
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but it is based in a well entrenched idea that
many people hold to be true. And when you couple
that with the overcorrection for girls, that coupled with the
toxic masculinity that is prevalent online, you end up with
(28:34):
this mixture, this explosive mixture of frustration and confusion and
anger that is often targeted at minorities, immigrants, the entire
left somehow, or women. And this is how we end
(28:57):
up in a situation like this where slim Tha can say, well,
a lot of men have women ways because their moms
was getting checks and whatever. Nonsense he said. It doesn't
bear repeating anybody.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
There's a lot to unpack with the absence of fathers
in the home, Like there's a that's a conversation to have.
It's just trying to have that conversation fast. It's how
you end up with a silly statement.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And I appreciated both of you already kind of uh,
you know, touched on it the issue that Okay, if
that is, if that is necessarily what he meant by
that statement, and if it was an argument of hey,
we're starting to see a cultural shift, a generational shift.
That isn't a conversation about an absence of a father
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in a at home, right, Why is that now also
being the woman's fault, and we're not recognizing why men
aren't in those roles.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Can I add two this? So watch this and you
and I this. We've broken this down a few times
on civic cipher. So when it comes to black men
specifically there it's very much a myth that black men
are absentee fathers. Black men are indeed the most involved
fathers of all racial groups. This is something that is
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documented that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Sagan, I'm a past I'm a personal testimony that I
was raised primarily by my dad.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Picture there you go.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, So, but yes, the CDC did a study maybe
about ten years or so ago, and they broke it
down by race, and it turns out that black men
are indeed the most involved fathers, the most likely to
do homework with children, most likely to change diapers, the
most likely to pick children up from school, the most
likely of all racial groups, right the most involved fathers.
(30:51):
Right now, in terms of absentee fathers, if we take
all this data and we try to correct for, okay,
how many of these black men are in jail relative
to you know, other populations, and now we're looking at
over policing. We're looking at unfair uh an unfair, carcible
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system in its entirety, you know, sentencing, policing, criminalization of
certain you know, economic, economically viable, you know, whatever pathways
in society, you name it. Right now, we're talking about
systemic impression. But let's let's correct for that, and let's
also correct for Black men that have died. You know
what I mean, Black men we die younger than anybody else, right,
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so of all, like major ethnic groups, we're the ones
that are going to die and the youngest, right, So
we correct for all of that. Now, what you're looking
at is the real data. So you would have to
correct for a lot of systemic issues to just get
that off. To say, well, black men are not in
the home. No black men are. It's true. Yes, black
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men are less likely to be married to to women
in the home. But there's history there, and this comes
from the left, because once upon a time, if a
black man was married to a black woman, they could
not get assistance if there was a father in the home.
There was if there was a husband in the house, right,
And so marriage was not economically viable for families that
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were living in depressed circumstances. And this goes all the
way back to indeed, the Depression and the echo of
the Great Depression in this country. Right, So what you
have is a slow churning cultural shift. Now this Black
men were married well into the seventies, and black women
and so forth, but you know, the echo of that incident,
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and they with the Great Depression coupled with democratic leadership
over the years. And that is fair, That is fair
a lot of people that have criticisms of Democrats, it is,
it is well established. But that those things have created
a culture where marriage is less important. Less important is
(33:05):
not the right word. I want to say, maybe less common.
But it doesn't mean that black men are not fathering
their children. And if black men are not fathered the
last thing I'll say real quick you and if black
men are not fathering their children, it is not at
some crazy rate that is inconsistent with any other race. Right.
But again, they've been very good at spotlighting us as
(33:28):
somehow criminal, bad, negligent, whatever, and so we end up
with again statements like slim thug ahead you. I just
want to make sure I said that.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I just I wanted to stop you from saying it
again because he didn't say black men. He's just said men.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I think, yeah, that's what I was curious about too.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But I will say too, as you mentioned about trying
to deconstruct and really having to deep in, because I
will tell you I love data. So if it was
a hey, as a culture, we really want to research
this component on how it's shaping our culture, I'm all
for it.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Another thing I would want to.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Add to that though, or be curious about, because I
don't know the answer, would be what are the type
of even.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Pressures and cultural setups.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
That we have that might even discourage men necessarily from
having those same opportunities to show up for their kids.
So here's the example. I don't think either of you
saw it. There was a coach. I'm not great with sports,
but there was a coach, a very well known coach
that got a bunch of questions because he missed a
game because he went to his daughter's like graduation. I
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think I think she was like eleven or twelve. The
fact that he had to answer those questions. They were like, hey,
do you think that it was okay for you to
miss like this was a huge game, and he was like, hey,
this I was going to show up for my daughter,
like the fact that he even had to kind of
continue to reiterate. They didn't want to ask him any
other questions. Explain to us why you took a step
back from your career and something that should have been
(34:54):
important to show up for your daughter, And he was like,
I don't need to explain that, and I do under
was it a big deal because you don't see that
as much and I don't know. It kind of was
a very eye opening to me. That made me wonder that,
you know, what, would is it harder? Would that necessarily
be more of a oh no, you can't get off early,
or you can't have those extra days off.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I don't know, because I do know that we do
recognize employment does shift, and that is a question for
employers when it comes to women and hiring them. Do
they have kids? Are they thinking about leving kids? But
we don't ask that same expectation for men. Is it
also because we assume they're not going to be there
and be in the home and show up, want to
show up for their children?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, no, that's that's definitely. I'm sure that that has
some a place in the it's factoring into this to
some degree as well. So you know, all of these
things sound sound reasonable. I think that the thing that
this is funniest to me is like when Dave Chappelle's, like,
(35:59):
you know, in Nihil eleven happened and MTV was calling
jaw Rule to get jow Rules thoughts on it, like,
oh my gosh, jaw Rule, what are we supposed to
do in this moment? And the point was that jow
Rule is not going to have the answers of what
we're supposed to do because two airplanes crashed into the buildings.
This is kind of how I feel about Slimdug, you
know what I mean, Like the slim Dog's not going
to have the answers. Hey, what's up?
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the app. Black Information Network news anchor Katie Gray is
here with us discussing the weekends major stories. All right,
next up from people. An actor from the Wire painfully
and emotionally recalled the moment that tornado hit his Georgia home,
leaving it destroyed and sending his eighteen year old son
(37:09):
to the ICU quote. My son was thrown three hundred
feet from his room, said Trey Cheney, who played Malik
pot Car on the acclaimed HBO television series. This was
in an Instagram video about the tornado that struck his
Henry County house on Thursday, May twenty ninth. At the
beginning of the video, Cheney, who stood in front of
(37:30):
his now destroyed home, said he had just gotten out
of the hospital and was planning to visit his son,
identified by the family as Malachi. In the ICU quote
three pm today May twenty ninth, the tornado came through
every county. I lost my house, I lost everything in it,
he said. In the clip, Chenny said that he and
Malachi were having a beautiful day and relaxing before the
tornado's arrival. Then three o'clock today, in a split second,
(37:53):
my house was gone. This is according to his statement
in the video and a statement posted in a follow
up Instagram post. Cheney recalled that he was unconscious on
the ground after the tornado struck, with mud on his
face and parts of the home on top of him. Quote.
I woke up in a panic, crawled from under my
house screaming my son's name out. My neighbors were there
(38:14):
to assist me, and finally we found my son three
hundred feet away in the woods behind my house. He
further wrote that Malachi is in the hospital and that
he and his wife are have not left their son's side.
So today I learned that Georgia has tornadoes. I did
not know that before today. So give us your thoughts here, Katie.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, so well, actually I will give you that because
I was.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Reporting on it all weekend because of the Georgia piece
to it.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
We do. Actually Georgia.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
People forget like or don't realize our country as an
I say, whole is really crazy when it comes to
the different types of climates that we have. In fact,
for people don't know America's I think the only country
in the world where we have all of the different climates,
and so in the southeast we have a tropical climate,
so we do get hurricanes, tornadoes, all of it, all
(39:13):
the fun action. I guess for meteorologists it can be
rather exciting to have so much to cover. This was
really devastating when I saw the story, because I think
it was really eye opening that when you do have
things like tornadoes, they can be so sudden. And I
think that, you know, we always want to think that
it's something that you wanted. It obviously doesn't happen to you,
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and it's something that doesn't happen in such a well
populated area, and that it could happen that quickly. But
I mean, it's you know, that's really my thoughts on it,
and that I really hope that his son is okay.
That's devastating, does no matter who you are.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, that's what stood out the most to me.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You know, I'm a father, speaking of which, and to
try to process the idea that a tornado would hit
my house and I find Grayson three hundred feet away
from the house, I I can't even try to process
what that's like. So the house, the weather, those parts
(40:22):
of the story kind of we're background noise, him having
him to crawl from under his destroyed house to find
his son. That's that's an impossible thing to try to imagine.
And actually reached out to him and sent some prayers
because that's tough.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, we will continue to monitor the story, and I
think you said it best. You know, we're gonna keep
him in our and our thoughts and in our prayers
for our final story. Today's from The Economic Times. Donald
Trump has waged in on Sean Diddy Combs's ongoing trial.
Did He who is currently facing serious federal charges, has
a complicated relationship with President Trump, and the President isn't
(41:06):
ruling anything out just yet. The President discussed his past
friendship with Combs and whether he would pardon him if
found guilty during the rappers federal trial for trafficking and racketeering,
which is presently taking place in New York. When asked
if he would pardon Combs in the Oval Office, Trump responded, quote,
I would certainly look at the facts if I think
somebody was mistreated, whether they like me or don't like me, unquote,
(41:29):
as he loves to do, Trump tease the situation by
adding quote it wouldn't have any impact on me unquote,
as per report by Deadline. So yep, Katie.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I don't say this. I don't say this quickly, especially
as a journalist. I don't say this quickly because I
hate when people come to that it sounds like clickbait.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
It's just clickbait.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And the reason why I feel very confident in saying
that is, at first, obviously the headline kind of catches
your eye and then read into it, and for anybody
who does want to look it up, the story is
really short.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
It just kind of repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
It poses the way that it's written, it sounds like
I asked the question and he didn't say no, so
therefore he could do you know which? You know? It
kind of it really paints a on I would say,
unclear kind of picture, like it would be different if
(42:31):
we were talking about Oh, he took to social media
and he's focusing on the case.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Honestly, like this could be just many.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Different ways of possibly a one clickbait and then too
a way to even distract from other things. I think
there are so many other priorities right now that Trump
and his administration are focusing on that, in my opinion,
are a lot more noteworthy on things that really do
make a bigger difference when we are talking about constitutional
(43:01):
rights and judges and all of the different moving parts.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I would be very surprised.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I I don't want to say surprised, but I would
be surprised if anything really actually comes from it, primarily
because with a lot of the other moves we've kind
of talked about this, Trump is very clear he doesn't.
I mean, it's interesting to me when people are like, oh,
I didn't know he meant it. I didn't know he
actually was going to do it. It's like, no, he
said right off the gate, this was what he was
(43:29):
going to do, and then he did it, and then
people are surprised he did it when he said he
was going to do it. So this one, to me,
he is a lot more coy and that's not his record,
Like he doesn't pretend to do something and then he
does it. Like he's very adamant. Like you know, all
the things about the plane he was very vocal about,
we were all clear where he stands. But this, honestly,
(43:52):
like even I think the last line of it, where
the way he responded to it tells you a lot. Well,
I don't see what he would get out of it, right,
There's no because if somebody tried to ask me earlier,
they were like, oh, well, you know, isn't there could
be something that could come to light that could incriminate him,
And I was like, could, But just being honest and transparent,
(44:16):
he doesn't seem to really care about any of the
other allegations and things that have come against him. I mean,
being convicted didn't end up stopping him or creating any
obstacles of getting back into presidency. So you know, even
if something else comes to light, I would be really
hard pressed to see if that would end up changing
anything or actually impacting him negatively. So why pardon you know?
(44:38):
That was my thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
I hate that we have such an unserious president that
a headline like this even makes us pause, because either way,
he wouldn't really shock us, Like if he did it,
no one would be like, like, I can't believe he did that,
because he'd find a reason to think it's beneficial. And
(45:02):
an unfortunate truth is that there are a lot of
black people. I won't say a lot because maybe that's
not fair. There are absolutely some though, who would applaud it,
who he would get some kudos from, who he'd now
be on their side. See, I told you he wasn't racist.
Look at all these black people he's helping, even though
they're all just celebrity or noteworthy people that he's not actually.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Doing anything for. I e.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Larry Hoover, who he pardoned, but it didn't change his
circumstances at all. We got a two hundred year sentence
that won't be impacted at all. But I literally saw
black people on Beyonce's Internet cheering and applauding that he
was freeing you know, someone that they heard whose name
they heard in the rap song before, because I'm sure
(45:49):
they don't know anything about Larry Hoover. So we have
a very unserious president man, and once upon a time
the president weighing in to potend pardon somebody being charged
and convicted, I mean being charged and accused of the
things that Sean Colmes is being accused of in his
own trial.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
For no President whatever.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Weighed in those waters, and even be KOI even let
the door stand open, like this is something that I
might maybe consider or that I might look into. Most
decent presidents throughout our history would have said absolutely not
that there's something intentional even about him not answering, even
though you're right, Hedy, he is not. He doesn't typically
(46:31):
shy away from the things that he's going to do,
the things that he says he's going to do, even
if they're unpopular, even if they're you know, disgusting or
evil or whatever. He kind of stands on his stuff,
especially if it's going to harm someone. But KOI in
situations like this where he's being asked if he's going
to do something to help someone, and that's typically a
negotiating thing with him, like maybe you know, if there's
(46:53):
some benefit for me, maybe I will. And I'm sure
he has someone looking into you know, how would this
help my Q rating?
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I pardon? Did he? Yeah? But didn't keep him out
of prison at all. It's just a really.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
This him being the president is tough on my mental health. Man,
we'll get just being the president. And if he just
wasn't the president, I think all of my mental als
would just go away.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, I know that is true for you, But we'll
get through it together.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
We say it all the time to each other, so
we'll get through it together. We always do. So the
best we can do is just keep following the story.
So we will. And if you're interested in that story,
or any of the stories we talked about today, don't
forget that they can all be founded bi indnews dot com.
I'd like to thank you, as always, Katie Gray, for
(47:54):
your time and your insight. Once again, today's guest the
one and only award winning journalist, multi multi awarding talk
to me nice, Don't don't you dare? Black Information Network
News anchor Katie Gray. This has been a production of
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