May 1, 2025 • 40 mins
On today's midweek memo, Host Ramses Ja tackles updates on the trial of the Memphis officers involved in the death of Tyre Nichols along with the lawmaker that claimed the "Three Fifths Compromise" was a "great thing".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
First up from the Black Information Network. Indiana Lieutenant Governor
Micah Beckwith is under fire after calling the three fifths
Compromise a great move. On Friday, April twenty fifth, Beckwith
shared a video on x where he discussed the three
fifths Compromise, a former clause in the US Constitution that
counted enslaved people as three fits of a person for
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representation and taxation. Beckwith claimed the cause was a great move.
Quote this was a great move by the North to
make sure that slavery would be eradicated in our nation.
They knew what they were doing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It goes on to say, that's why you had the
Senate Democrats who were getting up talking about the three
fifths Compromise like it was some sort of terrible thing
in our past.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It was not.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It actually was the exact opposite that helped to root
out slavery and lead us into a more perfect union
that we now see where black, white, red blown all
people can have equal representation under the law. So I
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I want to go first. Normally i'd throw to you
after I'd already done some reading, but I want to
go first here. If I can, you wouldn't be mad
at me right here?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Absolutely not Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Because I want to say this and then hear your
response to what I'm about to say.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So what was this guy? Was his name? Beck With? Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So beck With. I want to say that I'm grateful,
right man, in moments like these and right now in
particularly because of doctor Camille Wessenberg. Because of that, I
know that because of her, I know that the three
Fifths Compromise took place. I couldn't tell you the year,
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but I know it was in the seventeen hundreds, and
it wasn't until effectively a lifetime later that slaves were
granted their freedom. And so call it maybe eighty years,
ninety years, a give or take. There's a huge gap
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in between this three Fifths Compromise and when slaves actually
are free. So him connecting those two as though somehow
the three Fifths Compromise had something to do with the
slaves getting free in America, overcoming it's great sin they
had nothing to like. Imagine how long ninety years is? Okay,
says first, So I'm glad that I was taught American history,
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or what many folks might call critical race theory. I'm
glad I was taught that because I don't make stupid
statements like this when it comes to the history of
our country. Now add to that that not everybody has
to know all the intricacies.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
A lot of that stuff is not important to our
day to day lives. It's something that we need to
be reasonably aware of, which, to be fair, I'm reasonably
aware of. You know a lot of things from our history,
but I don't know everything. But one of the things
we like to say on the show, of course, is
that Google is free. And before you talk about something
it's so controversial, it makes sense to just kind of
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make sure you at least have a general idea of
what was going on in the country, a general timeline,
you know, that sort of thing, right. And I'm not
going to say that this guy Beckwith should be perfect,
because lord knows, I'm not perfect, you know what I mean.
Even with research and whatever, there's things that I miss
and their perspectives that you know, get introduced that you know,
I have to take into account. However, I think that
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what this guy is doing really overlooks why the three
fifths compromise is so insulting to black people in this country,
and for him to try to spin it as though
it's a good thing, it shows a very narrow minded,
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one sided and unfortunately, because I don't think he would
say this about himself, but unfortunately it shows a very racist,
self centered, arrogant, white supremacist view, revisionist view of history.
And I know that's not what he's going for. And
you know, this guy doesn't care about anybody's opinions but
his own. But for everyone else who recognizes that we
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need to respect each other, we need to honor each
other where we are, we need to teach each other
how to love each other. I will provide some clarity here, now,
don't I don't speak for all black people, but I
think I have a general idea. The three fits compromise,
as you may or may not know, said that for
the purposes of population and the census and so forth,
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and representation ultimately and the government, that black people will
only count as three fits of a human beings, as
a vote, as a as a as representation. Right now,
Prior to that, it was one person is equal to
you know, one representative or one one person could be
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counted for for one representative, But if you were black,
you were, you know, two fifths of your humanity were eradicated. Right,
So just that that language in that mathematics by itself
is insulting. But let's say, for instance, that you say, hey,
you know what, this was a compromise. This was what
they had to do. Black people couldn't vote, but they
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still kind of inhabited the land, and you know this
wasn't meant to be insulting. You know, get out of
your feelings.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It happened. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Right. Let's say you're one of those folks, which, to
be fair, a lot of people that I'm sure look
and think the way that this what's his name again,
Beck beckwe thinks might feel that way.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I want to introduce this to you, that the three
fifths compromise was reached because, uh, the the this country
was trying to appease the South and their ideologies and
their determination to perpetuate the institution of slavery. And again,
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if you are a black person where there's a piece
of legislation written into this country's laws that specifically about
you to appease your immediate oppressor and all the industries
associated with that institution of slavery, to appease those folks.
That also says you are worth three fifths of a
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human being, and it doesn't even matter what category representation
or otherwise. I'd argue that black people are the fullest
human beings. I'd argue that hair looks like my hair,
and straight hair is the that looks different that needs
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its own classification. I'd argue that skin color looks like
my skin color, because indeed, the very first Homo sapien
sapiens look like me. They came out of Africa. That
is scientific, that is verifiable. So when we go back
and we look at history without a revisionist view, with
a dispassionate view, you can make those arguments and then
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you see kind of the white supremacy. You see the
offensive elements kind of on their surface. So when I
look at someone like this going back, and you know
he doubled down on it, and I'll spare the details
of that, this guy's like, oh no, I'm right, and everybody,
you guys have got the woke mind virus. No, we're educated, man.
We just know what happened. And this is offensive. If
someone said this about you to your people and they
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empowered your oppressors with this legislation and it's written into
the history books. You wouldn't look favorably on that. And
then you're trying to do some mathematical magic to try
to just somehow that this is what led us to
a more perfect union is asinine. So that's my two cents.
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I wanted to go first because you know, I just
I remember when Christen is over. I was like, oh,
I just don't like that one. But anyway, your thoughts Q, so.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
First before responding. Critical race theory is an academic framework
primarily used in law and related fields. It examines how
race and racism have shaped legal systems and institutions in
the United States. It posits that racism is not just
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a result of individual bias, but also a systemic phenomenon
embedded in laws, policies, and practices. CRT also highlights the
role of power dynamics and the concept of intersectionality, the
way different forms of inequality intersect, and understanding racial inequality
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again in Critical race theory is an academic framework primarily
used in law. Important to say that out loud, because
sometimes we unintentionally conflate what the right has kind of
reworked and rebranded as critical race theory and then we
use it as an antonym the way that they meant it,
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giving get credenced the way that they meant it. Critical
race theory as an antonym and or synonym of American
history is an improper way to use it. And I
don't want us to do that because it's the same
thing we allowed them to do with WOKE. It's the
same thing we allow them to do with DEI. They
turn these things that mean something they have us to
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a scholastic literal meaning that means something completely different than
the way the right rebrands it, and then we make
it an antonym of something we validated by that, and
then we validate it by doing that. Do not want
us to even start our argument by positioning cr HE
as a placeholder for American history and that argument flatly
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CRT has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
And we said it, and it would give our listener
who might not know because a lot of people heard
that term for the first time because some right wing
person that co opted it was saying it and the
way that they meant it, and too many people have
now accepted that as what it means. Well, we don't
want our kids being taught CRT and elementary happened ever,
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That's never happened ever, and any any pre postgrad education
scholastic environment have children ever been taught CRT. It's important
for us to say that out loud before we even
move on. Secondly, listeners can't see my face. I can
see it really gonna plan our face like that, Like
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I don't even you said it all, but I just
I wish my face could be audible. That's just playing
in our and everybody else's face. They've gotten really bold
about playing like that because they realize they can get
it off. They realize that they're not going to get
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any pushback. They realized they had a whole segment of
the population that believes everything that they say, won't fact check,
won't do any background information or research on their own.
It's a really, really sad thing. They keep trying to
tell us how we benefit from slavery, and I wish
we could laugh it off as ridiculous. Accept so much
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credence in merit have been given to these really ridiculous
arguments that right wingers are starting to make with regards
to American history and the role that we played in
the role that slavery and oppression and segregation and Jim
Crow and redlining and all these things played, and what
is still the truth for Black Americans today? Yeah, Man
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Rams has said it all. I'm just trying to articulate
my facial expression.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, then there's no sense in breathing anymore oxygen into
that story. You know, sometimes elected officials, they I want
to say they mean well, but I can't even say that,
especially not for this guy. I can't say that he
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means well. I'm sure he thinks that he does, but
he doesn't mean well. You could see he thinks he
means well. What I'll say, I'll say this way. I
think he thinks that he means well for the people
that voted for him. That's what I'll That's what I'll say.
But because nobody wakes up in the morning and thinks
I'm the bad guy, That's what I'm trying to say.
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But you know, we have to hold people accountable. We
have to make sure that our perspective and our voices
are heard because I know that you know, on this
show and all the shows that we do, we're often
introducing perspectives that many people hadn't considered and you know
we we I mean, I haven't shared with you because
I just took a look at our inbox, but we
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have tons of like you know, I wouldn't call him
like fan letters, but you know, just listeners saying like, hey, listen,
I listened casually here and there. You guys are not
really my cup of tea, but you know, I just
try to keep my news in take well rounded. And
you guys hit an interesting point or hey, I appreciate
this episode you did this, or the same review you had.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So important thing to say before we move on. What's up?
He's either not an intelligent person or he doesn't mean well,
or both both both can't be true. Oh you don't
think so he can't be intelligent and mean well and
say that well.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I was thinking he was unintelligent and didn't mean well.
So that's the no.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, sure, yeah, but we gave him a few minutes
ago a little bit of a benefit of the doubt
that maybe he meant well to the people that voted
for him. If that's the case and he's an unintelligent,
unseerious person, there you go.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Okay, I go with that. Yeah, okay, all right. Next up,
this from the Black Information Network. White House staffers line
the lawn with roughly one hundred mug shots of alleged
undocumented immigrants who have been arrested and the alleged crimes
they committed. Newsweek reports on Monday, April thirteenth, the White
House lawn was filled with posters featuring large mugshots of
men with the words illegal alien and their alleged crimes
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like sexual contact with child and child molestation in bold letters.
Names and exact locations of the individuals weren't included on
the posters, which lined Pebble Beach, an area where television
crews typically get live shots in front of the White House.
The move to blast images of alleged undocumented immigrants on
the White House lawn comes as President Donald Trump tries
to draw attention to his actions he's taken during his
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first one hundred days in office. One of Trump's campaign
promises was a crackdown on immigration through mass deportations. So
how about you uh take this one first? Sucked up
all the oxygen on the last one.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Pretending that this has anything to do with immigration is
the funny part. Immigration and deportation are words that we
use on a regular basis with regards to this administration
and its practices. But people are getting arrested while going
through the steps, the proper steps to become citizens here
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at green card and permanent resident appointments, At citizenship appointments,
people are kind of being not kind that people are
being set up to be picked up while going through
the proper steps to be a citizen. Here. Most of
those people already a part of our working class, already
paying taxes that they don't benefit from, already working jobs
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that we wouldn't sign up for that you couldn't pay
us enough to do, are being targeted and treated like
some type of game, like this is the most cruel
administration of our lifetime, and celebrating at every turn. It's
like the more cruel, mean intentioned, racist, oppressive thing they do,
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the louder they amplify it, really really playing the hits
to their base. You know, look at how racist we are,
Look at how strong we are. Look how much we
can bully people when nothing happens to us, you know,
weird flex But to their people, I'm sure that's the move, Like,
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look how cruel and racist we can be, Look how
xenophobic we can be. Look look at our white nationalist,
white supremacist position on full display, and give us a
round of applause for it. Everything from their press briefings
to his signing of executive orders, like every decision is
a cruelty decision. You know. I always say I wish
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or I don't wish, But you think they would disguise
some of it. And policy that benefits someone, right, even
like their tax cuts, that's something they could at least
say out loud, we're doing to help some people. Now
it's people that don't need help, the richest one percent
on the planet, right, but at least you can say
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the words, we're doing this to help someone. All they
do is flawn all the things they do that are harmful,
and it's every single decision that they make is a
harmful decision for some group, and they seem to really
really be into that. It's a really disgusting thing to
have to witness on a daily basis. There have been
more executive orders than there have been days. That is
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a week this year. I mean, then there have been
days this year. I'd love for everyone to process that
there have been more executive orders then there have been
days this year. You know, what all of them are
intended to harm someone, none of none of them are.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, I know what you mean. None of them are.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Like product or some unintended consequence. No, that's the whole point. Yeah, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The thing about you know what I'm seeing here is that,
you know the people that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't think that people really understand, you know, obviously,
the people that are the maga folks there. Trump is
their guy, right, it doesn't matter what he does, He's
their guy. But I think that, you know, the people
that are just kind of like the casual Trump voters,
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the Republicans that are like, well, that's the Republican guy.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I vote Republicans. I'm just voting him, right.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I The thing that troubles me is I don't know
how they can excuse the fact that if the ku
Klux Klan is supporting Donald Trump, if Nazis are supporting
Donald Trump, if all the racist people, the actual racist
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people they're out loud like yes, I'm a racist, those
type of people they're supporting Donald Trump. I don't know
how the decent folks who happen to land on the
right don't look at that and say, well, listen, the
world that the ku Klux Klan would like to see
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is aligned with Donald Trump. The world that the Nazis
would like to see is aligned with Trump. I'm going
to vote for Trump. Not for those reasons, but I'm
going to vote for Trump. And then those same voters
turn around and ask us to, you know, like deal
with it, to like like they don't understand why we
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would vote again instead, why are you you know why
what Trump is going to do right by you? Listen?
Can you connect those dots? You know, you don't even
have to just connect those dots, just incorporate those elements
into your reasoning, and then you'll understand how what you're
voting for oppresses us further right. So that's that's the
first thing. And as illustrated by the fact that this
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is exactly what the racist people want. Racist people their
whole their whole deal is to oppress other people so
that they can be supreme right. And his values and
his policies align with that goal, which is why they
have the full throated endorsement. And you, the fiscal conservative,
You the person who look man a god country and
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guns man, I love black folks just fine, you know,
you that person ignores that fact, ignores the fact that
that that further validates our reality. If you don't accept
that this is oppressive, this is this is margin further
marginalize us. Will you accept it from a fellow white person.
They happen to be racist and probably stupid, but they
are white, okay, and that's the world they want to
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live in. Does it now make more sense why we
look at that as oppressive?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's the first thing. Second thing, this is obviously a
politically slanted maneuver at the White House to put photos
of alleged immigrant or alleged illegal immigrants on the White
House lawn with the crimes they've committed and the fact
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that they've deported, right, this is heavily biased, right. You know,
you have a handful of signs in the yard, and
maybe these are all people that are real, and you
know they have names and this is all, you know, whatever.
But I think it's something one hundred thousand plus people
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have been deported, well below the number that Donald Trump
promised to deport. But that's the number, right. What's been
reported largely is that most of these people were not
criminals at all. They had no criminal history whatsoever. So
if you're cherry picking a mugshot and a crime, alleged
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crime that this person is supposed to have committed, and
celebrating the fact that you deported them, there's like clearly
a bias there because you're not just showing the average person.
The average person would not have committed a crime. Right,
So you're zeroing in on the actual quote unquote criminals
and highlighting that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But if I followed you that far, that would be
too much. The thing is where we go from bias
to propaganda is when you don't list the names, you
don't list where they're from, you don't list anything. Okay,
so this is not verifiable. This is simply what the
government wants you to think. It is propaganda that they
put on the front lawn of the White House. This
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is supposed to be the people's house. This is an
American institution, and it is soiled with propaganda. You know,
we had a conversation with with Yannet Guil. This is
something you would expect in a North Korea or in
a Russia. This is not something you would expect on
the White House lawn in the United States of America.
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This is your midweek memo on the Black Information Network
Daily Podcast with your hosts ramses Jaw and q Ward.
All Right next up from the Black Information Network. Opening
arguments were heard on Monday, April twenty eighth in the
trial for three former Memphis police officers who fatally beat
Tyree Nichols during a twenty twenty three traffic stop per
the Associated Press. On Monday, prosecutor Paul Hagerman showed the
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jury footage of Tadarius Bean, Demetrius Haley, and Justin Smith
beating Nichols. As the three officers face charges of second
degree murder, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct, and official oppression.
The trio pleaded not guilty to state charges to other officers,
Emmitt Martin and Desmond Mills are also facing charges in
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Nichols's debt, but won't stand trial as they are expected
to change they're not guilty police in the state court.
Hagerman argued Monday that Bean, Haley, and Smith were frustrated, angry,
and full of adrenaline when they beat Nichols on January seven,
twenty twenty three. Per AP video showed officers pepper sprang
Nichols and hitting him with a taser before he ran
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away from the traffic stop. The five officers then chased
after Nichols and caught up with him just steps away
from his home, where they beat him as he called
out for his mother. Two officers held Nichols arms as
he was punched, kicked, and hit with the police baton.
Following the beating, officers failed to tell medical personnel that
Nichols was hit in the head, Hagerman said. Nichols died
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three days later after the beating from blunt force trauma.
Hagerman said the officers had a duty to stop the beating,
but none of them did. The prosecutor argued that the
officers were overcome by the moment. Sorry about that, all right.
So you know, the trial is underway, and we're of
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course here at the Black Information Network watching with baited
breath to see, you know whatever the next development is
going to be your thoughts about this most recent development.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You know, white supremacy has always had a hard time
holding white supremacists accountable, and you do not have to
be a white person to subscribe and uphold the pillars
of white supremacy. So I say that because people often
point out cases well, hey, these cops weren't white, how
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come they did the same things. Well, it's the system
that they're a part of. And that's a much longer
conversation than we're going to have today. I want to
say I'm looking forward to how this plays out, but
I'm not. They're showing video of what happened, and the
people watching themselves kill someone on video or pleading not you,
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and their attorney is arguing that they were caught up
in the moment. In what world, where the where the
or the victim a white person? Would this argument even
be heard? And this is one of my least favorite
stories ever because I often remember the calling out to
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his mom part beat to death steps away from where
he lived for a traffic stop because they were having
a bad day, because they were overcome with adrenaline or
whatever the nonsense that was in that story. It's it's
unfortunately a story you've heard too many times. We're still here, man,
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twenty twenty five, and what of your progress?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I think that you know, just kind of revisiting this,
this is this is one of my least favorite.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Stories.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
None of them are my favorite. I'm gonna say this
the right way. I don't enjoy watching videos of police beatings,
police killings, any of that stuff. I've never seen one
that I liked. I never would see one that I like.
That is not my nature. I have to watch this
stuff from time to time, Q as as my brother
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has been very gracious and that sometimes he watches a
video so I don't have to. And you know, sometimes
I do my best to take care of my brother
and I watch the video so he doesn't have to.
But we it's a part of the job. This one
was devastating. It was heartbreaking, and unfortunately we both have
to to watch it, and then we both had to
talk to like his friends and family after the fact,
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real people who lost someone that they really they really loved.
He was a skater, you know, and you know, once
upon a time I used to be as this is
he this he would have been my friend. And of
course you have to like keep watching that video and
then you have to read about it, like on days
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like today where you're like, oh god, I'm not looking
forward to this. But what I think this show is
beyond you know, the point that you made, Q, which
is that you know, policing is a white supremacist institution.
And it will protect itself the officers. You know, if
there is a conviction, the officers are simply going to
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be skategoes. If these were white officers, we would not
expect anything. That the fact that they're black officers doesn't
mean that we do expect anything. It's just that if
they get punished, we'll be like, it's because they're black.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And you know the other point that you made is that,
you know, okay, flip it around. You know, the victim
is white and it's four black officers beating him. You
know what, how does that look in your mind? I
won't even say how it looks in mind, just how
does that look in your mind? Four black officers beat
a white a young white man to death in front
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of his house as he screams for his mother, and
he dies in the hospital four days later, and their
defense is that they were off the adrenaline. That sounds
crazy to you, because it's crazy. The only reason that
you a person would make a bigger deal over that
than over Tyree Nichols is because we've conditioned to value
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white life a little higher than black life. This if
the person had been white, if Tyree Nichols had been white,
the police wouldn't even been beaten them. Four black cops
beating the white No, that wouldn't even happen, right, And
so I think that the other thing I want to
add here is that, you know, this testimony, in this
whole story just shows how vulnerable a population we are,
and I think that that should keep people motivated to
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continue to fight and advocate for what it is that
we really deserve from this country. This country has promise
to us and it needs to fulfill that promise, and
part of that is seeing us as full valuable human
beings whose lives have worth or dare I say, whose
lives matter?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
For our final story. This also comes from the Black
Information Network. Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley spent one
on one time with President Alon. Is that it yep, yep, perfect,
Thank you man. That's why that was going to throw
it to you anyway. But Saquon Barkley spent one on
one time with President Donald Trump ahead of the team's
scheduled Super Bowl celebration at the White House on Monday,
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April twenty eight. Trump is set to host the Eagles
at the White House after the team super Bowl win
against the Kansas City Chiefs in February. Barkley and Trump
were spotted hanging out together on Sunday, April twenty seven,
just a day before the Eagles visit. The two appeared
to get off Marine One in New Jersey together, chatting
as they exited the plane. Trump described Barkley as a
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nice guid to reporters at the airport. Quote, I wanted
to race him, but I decided not to do it,
the president added, before the pair later boarded Air Force One.
Photo circulating online show Trump and the Eagles star at
the President's Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, with multiple
Make America Great Again hats sitting on the table. The
Barkley Trump spotting comes after Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts dodged
a question about whether he would be attending the White
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House celebration earlier this month. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lury said
the White House visit is a time honor tradition, but
noted that attendance is optional for individual players.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Our culture is that these are optional things. If you
want to enjoy this, come along and will have a
great time. If you don't, it's totally an optional thing,
Larry said. On Monday, Barkley took social media to address
backlash over his appearance with Trump. Quote, loll, some people
are really upset because I played golfed and flew to
the White House with the president presidents of all caps.
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Maybe I just respect the office. Not a hard concept
to understand. Just golfed with Obama not too long ago,
and look forward to finishing my round with Trump. You
get out of my mentions with all this politics and
have an amazing day, Barkley tweeted with a laughing face emoji.
So you know, I really do lean on you for
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anything that has anything to do with sports, because you know,
there's not because I don't understand, like as a human being,
what's going on, but because I know that there's additional
context and depth that you know, you always introduce to
these these conversations. So your thoughts here, and I think
that that'll be sufficient for this story.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
In this instance, Rams is there's no additional sports context
to add. He's one of many people, celebrity, athlete or otherwise.
That makes the argument that you know, he's the president.
So like Nelly, Yeah, wouldn't everyone you know honor be
honored to hang out with him, like I just played
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golf with Obama the other day, as if they have
anything in common except for the job that they had.
Once upon the time, there was a gentleman in Germany.
His name was Adolf Hitler. Do you know what his
position was rases?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I think he was the whatever their equivalent to president is, chancellor,
prime minister or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You think anyone would admit they'd be honored to play
golf with him.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Nobody would do that, No one.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So that's all. I don't understand why people act so
confused now, Like everybody, we know what bad and evil like,
we know what it looks like. They have similar ideologies
across the board. It's like he's cosplaying, like he's playing
all day, like he's like a cover band for him.
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He's gonna play all of his hits. And as he
oppresses and disrespects and harms and threatens and bullies people
that look like you, go stand next to them and
treat everyone else like something's wrong with them for having
a problem with what you're doing. Yeah, you look crazy
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standing next to the guy whose entire professional life has
discriminated against people because they were black. Refused to do
business with people because they were black, passes legislation to
marginalized people because they're black, and other and other, covering
everyone that's not heterosexual, rich, Christian white man. So this
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idea that you get off your mentions with these politics
you mean politics like the integrated National Football League that
you play in. Ooh, that couldn't be what you mean?
Is it that you make millions of dollars to play
a game that's a television show on networks that let
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you participate in the country that once upon a time
did not like, we want to ignore all these things
that directly impact our lives others because it's convenient. When
called out on being just wrong. You're on the wrong
side of history, say my bad. Sometimes, don't make fun
of everyone else for pointing out that you're on the
wrong side. Yes, you look crazy as a black man
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standing next to that man. And to pretend you don't
understand why it's so intentionally obtuse. You know, other other
professionals have said, you know, will prove to me that
is racist. Really, that's your stance. He's not racist, And
(35:40):
even if that's your position, everything else doesn't disqualify him.
I'm sure you have a mother or a wife, or
a daughter or a sister. How he feels about women
in general doesn't bug you. So for everyone, stop treating
us like we're the ones that are lose when we
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point out that, hey man, that's not a good look
standing next to him, for anyone that looks like us,
for anyone in general.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, the I I do want to say this.
You know, there's there's there's something to be said about
when a person wants to, you know, take a picture,
you know, be with you know, a former president or whatever.
You know, the last Republican president, you know, before Donald
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Trump was George Bush, right, and to go and take
a picture, shake his hand or whatever would not have
been nearly as offensive as doing that with Donald Trump. Now,
with that said, you still might get a couple of
looks from people. But if you wanted to make the
argument that hey man, it's the job. I respect the office.
(36:59):
I respect respect the position, not the individual nor their politics,
you can make that argument.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Not to cut you off, but it helps when the
person also respects the job.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And yeah, thank you, that's an excellent point.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
But you know, when when you're looking at at Donald
Trump specifically. Not only is that not the case with him,
because he's so much more extreme than anyone we've seen
in our life. Your black skin provides him cover. It
helps the people that are trying to have those arguments
(37:37):
with Q where they ask you, well, can you can
you show me anything that he's done that's racist. Your
black skin allows them to point to you and say, look,
he was just golfing with this black football player. If
he's racist, he wouldn't golf with black because their simple
minded view of racism doesn't include systemic rush and it
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only includes I hate the N word and I don't
want them in my you know, neighborhood, that type of racism. Right,
But if you look at the data, yeah, no, you're
not how he feels. You're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
We have evidence of that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, absolutely, but the but the data, just to to
make my point, the data suggests that there are systems
in place that are that either privilege whiteness, punish non whiteness,
or both. And you know, you giving him a free pass, uh,
(38:42):
a get out of jail, free car, a way to
maneuver around these challenging parts of life that that your
ancestors and you know that people now are are working
toward It's almost like you're selling out your people to
(39:03):
go take a picture and play golf with this guy.
It doesn't matter if you respect the office or not.
We don't care about that. The thing is there's real
harm that comes from it from when you provide cover.
We can point to that, we can say okay, great,
now that look at this. And they'll use black people
as props as long as they can, you know, and
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they use the child in the house, you know, as
a as a voluntary police officer, use a football player,
they'll use anybody that they can use. Kanye West, use
whoever they can. As long as you have black skin,
it does not matter. And all the rest of us
black folks, the ninety two percent of black women that
that voted against him and the eighty three percent of
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black men that voted against him. I think it was
more than that because there was a lot of people
that voted third party. But all of us that these
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
First up from the Black Information Network. Indiana Lieutenant Governor
Micah Beckwith is under fire after calling the three fifths
Compromise a great move. On Friday, April twenty fifth, Beckwith
shared a video on x where he discussed the three
fifths Compromise, a former clause in the US Constitution that
counted enslaved people as three fits of a person for
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representation and taxation. Beckwith claimed the cause was a great move.
Quote this was a great move by the North to
make sure that slavery would be eradicated in our nation.
They knew what they were doing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It goes on to say, that's why you had the
Senate Democrats who were getting up talking about the three
fifths Compromise like it was some sort of terrible thing
in our past.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It was not.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It actually was the exact opposite that helped to root
out slavery and lead us into a more perfect union
that we now see where black, white, red blown all
people can have equal representation under the law. So I
(01:05):
I want to go first. Normally i'd throw to you
after I'd already done some reading, but I want to
go first here. If I can, you wouldn't be mad
at me right here?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Absolutely not Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Because I want to say this and then hear your
response to what I'm about to say.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So what was this guy? Was his name? Beck With? Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So beck With. I want to say that I'm grateful,
right man, in moments like these and right now in
particularly because of doctor Camille Wessenberg. Because of that, I
know that because of her, I know that the three
Fifths Compromise took place. I couldn't tell you the year,
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but I know it was in the seventeen hundreds, and
it wasn't until effectively a lifetime later that slaves were
granted their freedom. And so call it maybe eighty years,
ninety years, a give or take. There's a huge gap
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in between this three Fifths Compromise and when slaves actually
are free. So him connecting those two as though somehow
the three Fifths Compromise had something to do with the
slaves getting free in America, overcoming it's great sin they
had nothing to like. Imagine how long ninety years is? Okay,
says first, So I'm glad that I was taught American history,
(02:33):
or what many folks might call critical race theory. I'm
glad I was taught that because I don't make stupid
statements like this when it comes to the history of
our country. Now add to that that not everybody has
to know all the intricacies.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
A lot of that stuff is not important to our
day to day lives. It's something that we need to
be reasonably aware of, which, to be fair, I'm reasonably
aware of. You know a lot of things from our history,
but I don't know everything. But one of the things
we like to say on the show, of course, is
that Google is free. And before you talk about something
it's so controversial, it makes sense to just kind of
(03:11):
make sure you at least have a general idea of
what was going on in the country, a general timeline,
you know, that sort of thing, right. And I'm not
going to say that this guy Beckwith should be perfect,
because lord knows, I'm not perfect, you know what I mean.
Even with research and whatever, there's things that I miss
and their perspectives that you know, get introduced that you know,
I have to take into account. However, I think that
(03:36):
what this guy is doing really overlooks why the three
fifths compromise is so insulting to black people in this country,
and for him to try to spin it as though
it's a good thing, it shows a very narrow minded,
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one sided and unfortunately, because I don't think he would
say this about himself, but unfortunately it shows a very racist,
self centered, arrogant, white supremacist view, revisionist view of history.
And I know that's not what he's going for. And
you know, this guy doesn't care about anybody's opinions but
his own. But for everyone else who recognizes that we
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need to respect each other, we need to honor each
other where we are, we need to teach each other
how to love each other. I will provide some clarity here, now,
don't I don't speak for all black people, but I
think I have a general idea. The three fits compromise,
as you may or may not know, said that for
the purposes of population and the census and so forth,
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and representation ultimately and the government, that black people will
only count as three fits of a human beings, as
a vote, as a as a as representation. Right now,
Prior to that, it was one person is equal to
you know, one representative or one one person could be
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counted for for one representative, But if you were black,
you were, you know, two fifths of your humanity were eradicated. Right,
So just that that language in that mathematics by itself
is insulting. But let's say, for instance, that you say, hey,
you know what, this was a compromise. This was what
they had to do. Black people couldn't vote, but they
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still kind of inhabited the land, and you know this
wasn't meant to be insulting. You know, get out of
your feelings.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It happened. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Right. Let's say you're one of those folks, which, to
be fair, a lot of people that I'm sure look
and think the way that this what's his name again,
Beck beckwe thinks might feel that way.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I want to introduce this to you, that the three
fifths compromise was reached because, uh, the the this country
was trying to appease the South and their ideologies and
their determination to perpetuate the institution of slavery. And again,
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if you are a black person where there's a piece
of legislation written into this country's laws that specifically about
you to appease your immediate oppressor and all the industries
associated with that institution of slavery, to appease those folks.
That also says you are worth three fifths of a
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human being, and it doesn't even matter what category representation
or otherwise. I'd argue that black people are the fullest
human beings. I'd argue that hair looks like my hair,
and straight hair is the that looks different that needs
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its own classification. I'd argue that skin color looks like
my skin color, because indeed, the very first Homo sapien
sapiens look like me. They came out of Africa. That
is scientific, that is verifiable. So when we go back
and we look at history without a revisionist view, with
a dispassionate view, you can make those arguments and then
(07:23):
you see kind of the white supremacy. You see the
offensive elements kind of on their surface. So when I
look at someone like this going back, and you know
he doubled down on it, and I'll spare the details
of that, this guy's like, oh no, I'm right, and everybody,
you guys have got the woke mind virus. No, we're educated, man.
We just know what happened. And this is offensive. If
someone said this about you to your people and they
(07:45):
empowered your oppressors with this legislation and it's written into
the history books. You wouldn't look favorably on that. And
then you're trying to do some mathematical magic to try
to just somehow that this is what led us to
a more perfect union is asinine. So that's my two cents.
(08:06):
I wanted to go first because you know, I just
I remember when Christen is over. I was like, oh,
I just don't like that one. But anyway, your thoughts Q, so.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
First before responding. Critical race theory is an academic framework
primarily used in law and related fields. It examines how
race and racism have shaped legal systems and institutions in
the United States. It posits that racism is not just
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a result of individual bias, but also a systemic phenomenon
embedded in laws, policies, and practices. CRT also highlights the
role of power dynamics and the concept of intersectionality, the
way different forms of inequality intersect, and understanding racial inequality
(08:57):
again in Critical race theory is an academic framework primarily
used in law. Important to say that out loud, because
sometimes we unintentionally conflate what the right has kind of
reworked and rebranded as critical race theory and then we
use it as an antonym the way that they meant it,
(09:19):
giving get credenced the way that they meant it. Critical
race theory as an antonym and or synonym of American
history is an improper way to use it. And I
don't want us to do that because it's the same
thing we allowed them to do with WOKE. It's the
same thing we allow them to do with DEI. They
turn these things that mean something they have us to
(09:41):
a scholastic literal meaning that means something completely different than
the way the right rebrands it, and then we make
it an antonym of something we validated by that, and
then we validate it by doing that. Do not want
us to even start our argument by positioning cr HE
as a placeholder for American history and that argument flatly
(10:06):
CRT has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
And we said it, and it would give our listener
who might not know because a lot of people heard
that term for the first time because some right wing
person that co opted it was saying it and the
way that they meant it, and too many people have
now accepted that as what it means. Well, we don't
want our kids being taught CRT and elementary happened ever,
(10:29):
That's never happened ever, and any any pre postgrad education
scholastic environment have children ever been taught CRT. It's important
for us to say that out loud before we even
move on. Secondly, listeners can't see my face. I can
see it really gonna plan our face like that, Like
(10:54):
I don't even you said it all, but I just
I wish my face could be audible. That's just playing
in our and everybody else's face. They've gotten really bold
about playing like that because they realize they can get
it off. They realize that they're not going to get
(11:14):
any pushback. They realized they had a whole segment of
the population that believes everything that they say, won't fact check,
won't do any background information or research on their own.
It's a really, really sad thing. They keep trying to
tell us how we benefit from slavery, and I wish
we could laugh it off as ridiculous. Accept so much
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credence in merit have been given to these really ridiculous
arguments that right wingers are starting to make with regards
to American history and the role that we played in
the role that slavery and oppression and segregation and Jim
Crow and redlining and all these things played, and what
is still the truth for Black Americans today? Yeah, Man
(12:01):
Rams has said it all. I'm just trying to articulate
my facial expression.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, then there's no sense in breathing anymore oxygen into
that story. You know, sometimes elected officials, they I want
to say they mean well, but I can't even say that,
especially not for this guy. I can't say that he
(12:30):
means well. I'm sure he thinks that he does, but
he doesn't mean well. You could see he thinks he
means well. What I'll say, I'll say this way. I
think he thinks that he means well for the people
that voted for him. That's what I'll That's what I'll say.
But because nobody wakes up in the morning and thinks
I'm the bad guy, That's what I'm trying to say.
(12:50):
But you know, we have to hold people accountable. We
have to make sure that our perspective and our voices
are heard because I know that you know, on this
show and all the shows that we do, we're often
introducing perspectives that many people hadn't considered and you know
we we I mean, I haven't shared with you because
I just took a look at our inbox, but we
(13:11):
have tons of like you know, I wouldn't call him
like fan letters, but you know, just listeners saying like, hey, listen,
I listened casually here and there. You guys are not
really my cup of tea, but you know, I just
try to keep my news in take well rounded. And
you guys hit an interesting point or hey, I appreciate
this episode you did this, or the same review you had.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So important thing to say before we move on. What's up?
He's either not an intelligent person or he doesn't mean well,
or both both both can't be true. Oh you don't
think so he can't be intelligent and mean well and
say that well.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I was thinking he was unintelligent and didn't mean well.
So that's the no.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, sure, yeah, but we gave him a few minutes
ago a little bit of a benefit of the doubt
that maybe he meant well to the people that voted
for him. If that's the case and he's an unintelligent,
unseerious person, there you go.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Okay, I go with that. Yeah, okay, all right. Next up,
this from the Black Information Network. White House staffers line
the lawn with roughly one hundred mug shots of alleged
undocumented immigrants who have been arrested and the alleged crimes
they committed. Newsweek reports on Monday, April thirteenth, the White
House lawn was filled with posters featuring large mugshots of
men with the words illegal alien and their alleged crimes
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like sexual contact with child and child molestation in bold letters.
Names and exact locations of the individuals weren't included on
the posters, which lined Pebble Beach, an area where television
crews typically get live shots in front of the White House.
The move to blast images of alleged undocumented immigrants on
the White House lawn comes as President Donald Trump tries
to draw attention to his actions he's taken during his
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first one hundred days in office. One of Trump's campaign
promises was a crackdown on immigration through mass deportations. So
how about you uh take this one first? Sucked up
all the oxygen on the last one.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Pretending that this has anything to do with immigration is
the funny part. Immigration and deportation are words that we
use on a regular basis with regards to this administration
and its practices. But people are getting arrested while going
through the steps, the proper steps to become citizens here
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at green card and permanent resident appointments, At citizenship appointments,
people are kind of being not kind that people are
being set up to be picked up while going through
the proper steps to be a citizen. Here. Most of
those people already a part of our working class, already
paying taxes that they don't benefit from, already working jobs
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that we wouldn't sign up for that you couldn't pay
us enough to do, are being targeted and treated like
some type of game, like this is the most cruel
administration of our lifetime, and celebrating at every turn. It's
like the more cruel, mean intentioned, racist, oppressive thing they do,
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the louder they amplify it, really really playing the hits
to their base. You know, look at how racist we are,
Look at how strong we are. Look how much we
can bully people when nothing happens to us, you know,
weird flex But to their people, I'm sure that's the move, Like,
(16:33):
look how cruel and racist we can be, Look how
xenophobic we can be. Look look at our white nationalist,
white supremacist position on full display, and give us a
round of applause for it. Everything from their press briefings
to his signing of executive orders, like every decision is
a cruelty decision. You know. I always say I wish
(16:58):
or I don't wish, But you think they would disguise
some of it. And policy that benefits someone, right, even
like their tax cuts, that's something they could at least
say out loud, we're doing to help some people. Now
it's people that don't need help, the richest one percent
on the planet, right, but at least you can say
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the words, we're doing this to help someone. All they
do is flawn all the things they do that are harmful,
and it's every single decision that they make is a
harmful decision for some group, and they seem to really
really be into that. It's a really disgusting thing to
have to witness on a daily basis. There have been
more executive orders than there have been days. That is
(17:41):
a week this year. I mean, then there have been
days this year. I'd love for everyone to process that
there have been more executive orders then there have been
days this year. You know, what all of them are
intended to harm someone, none of none of them are.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, I know what you mean. None of them are.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Like product or some unintended consequence. No, that's the whole point. Yeah, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The thing about you know what I'm seeing here is that,
you know the people that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't think that people really understand, you know, obviously,
the people that are the maga folks there. Trump is
their guy, right, it doesn't matter what he does, He's
their guy. But I think that, you know, the people
that are just kind of like the casual Trump voters,
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the Republicans that are like, well, that's the Republican guy.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I vote Republicans. I'm just voting him, right.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I The thing that troubles me is I don't know
how they can excuse the fact that if the ku
Klux Klan is supporting Donald Trump, if Nazis are supporting
Donald Trump, if all the racist people, the actual racist
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people they're out loud like yes, I'm a racist, those
type of people they're supporting Donald Trump. I don't know
how the decent folks who happen to land on the
right don't look at that and say, well, listen, the
world that the ku Klux Klan would like to see
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is aligned with Donald Trump. The world that the Nazis
would like to see is aligned with Trump. I'm going
to vote for Trump. Not for those reasons, but I'm
going to vote for Trump. And then those same voters
turn around and ask us to, you know, like deal
with it, to like like they don't understand why we
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would vote again instead, why are you you know why
what Trump is going to do right by you? Listen?
Can you connect those dots? You know, you don't even
have to just connect those dots, just incorporate those elements
into your reasoning, and then you'll understand how what you're
voting for oppresses us further right. So that's that's the
first thing. And as illustrated by the fact that this
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is exactly what the racist people want. Racist people their
whole their whole deal is to oppress other people so
that they can be supreme right. And his values and
his policies align with that goal, which is why they
have the full throated endorsement. And you, the fiscal conservative,
You the person who look man a god country and
(20:42):
guns man, I love black folks just fine, you know,
you that person ignores that fact, ignores the fact that
that that further validates our reality. If you don't accept
that this is oppressive, this is this is margin further
marginalize us. Will you accept it from a fellow white person.
They happen to be racist and probably stupid, but they
are white, okay, and that's the world they want to
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live in. Does it now make more sense why we
look at that as oppressive?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's the first thing. Second thing, this is obviously a
politically slanted maneuver at the White House to put photos
of alleged immigrant or alleged illegal immigrants on the White
House lawn with the crimes they've committed and the fact
(21:33):
that they've deported, right, this is heavily biased, right. You know,
you have a handful of signs in the yard, and
maybe these are all people that are real, and you
know they have names and this is all, you know, whatever.
But I think it's something one hundred thousand plus people
(21:54):
have been deported, well below the number that Donald Trump
promised to deport. But that's the number, right. What's been
reported largely is that most of these people were not
criminals at all. They had no criminal history whatsoever. So
if you're cherry picking a mugshot and a crime, alleged
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crime that this person is supposed to have committed, and
celebrating the fact that you deported them, there's like clearly
a bias there because you're not just showing the average person.
The average person would not have committed a crime. Right,
So you're zeroing in on the actual quote unquote criminals
and highlighting that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But if I followed you that far, that would be
too much. The thing is where we go from bias
to propaganda is when you don't list the names, you
don't list where they're from, you don't list anything. Okay,
so this is not verifiable. This is simply what the
government wants you to think. It is propaganda that they
put on the front lawn of the White House. This
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is supposed to be the people's house. This is an
American institution, and it is soiled with propaganda. You know,
we had a conversation with with Yannet Guil. This is
something you would expect in a North Korea or in
a Russia. This is not something you would expect on
the White House lawn in the United States of America.
(23:19):
This is your midweek memo on the Black Information Network
Daily Podcast with your hosts ramses Jaw and q Ward.
All Right next up from the Black Information Network. Opening
arguments were heard on Monday, April twenty eighth in the
trial for three former Memphis police officers who fatally beat
Tyree Nichols during a twenty twenty three traffic stop per
the Associated Press. On Monday, prosecutor Paul Hagerman showed the
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jury footage of Tadarius Bean, Demetrius Haley, and Justin Smith
beating Nichols. As the three officers face charges of second
degree murder, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct, and official oppression.
The trio pleaded not guilty to state charges to other officers,
Emmitt Martin and Desmond Mills are also facing charges in
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Nichols's debt, but won't stand trial as they are expected
to change they're not guilty police in the state court.
Hagerman argued Monday that Bean, Haley, and Smith were frustrated, angry,
and full of adrenaline when they beat Nichols on January seven,
twenty twenty three. Per AP video showed officers pepper sprang
Nichols and hitting him with a taser before he ran
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away from the traffic stop. The five officers then chased
after Nichols and caught up with him just steps away
from his home, where they beat him as he called
out for his mother. Two officers held Nichols arms as
he was punched, kicked, and hit with the police baton.
Following the beating, officers failed to tell medical personnel that
Nichols was hit in the head, Hagerman said. Nichols died
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three days later after the beating from blunt force trauma.
Hagerman said the officers had a duty to stop the beating,
but none of them did. The prosecutor argued that the
officers were overcome by the moment. Sorry about that, all right.
So you know, the trial is underway, and we're of
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course here at the Black Information Network watching with baited
breath to see, you know whatever the next development is
going to be your thoughts about this most recent development.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You know, white supremacy has always had a hard time
holding white supremacists accountable, and you do not have to
be a white person to subscribe and uphold the pillars
of white supremacy. So I say that because people often
point out cases well, hey, these cops weren't white, how
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come they did the same things. Well, it's the system
that they're a part of. And that's a much longer
conversation than we're going to have today. I want to
say I'm looking forward to how this plays out, but
I'm not. They're showing video of what happened, and the
people watching themselves kill someone on video or pleading not you,
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and their attorney is arguing that they were caught up
in the moment. In what world, where the where the
or the victim a white person? Would this argument even
be heard? And this is one of my least favorite
stories ever because I often remember the calling out to
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his mom part beat to death steps away from where
he lived for a traffic stop because they were having
a bad day, because they were overcome with adrenaline or
whatever the nonsense that was in that story. It's it's
unfortunately a story you've heard too many times. We're still here, man,
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twenty twenty five, and what of your progress?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I think that you know, just kind of revisiting this,
this is this is one of my least favorite.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Stories.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
None of them are my favorite. I'm gonna say this
the right way. I don't enjoy watching videos of police beatings,
police killings, any of that stuff. I've never seen one
that I liked. I never would see one that I like.
That is not my nature. I have to watch this
stuff from time to time, Q as as my brother
(27:29):
has been very gracious and that sometimes he watches a
video so I don't have to. And you know, sometimes
I do my best to take care of my brother
and I watch the video so he doesn't have to.
But we it's a part of the job. This one
was devastating. It was heartbreaking, and unfortunately we both have
to to watch it, and then we both had to
talk to like his friends and family after the fact,
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real people who lost someone that they really they really loved.
He was a skater, you know, and you know, once
upon a time I used to be as this is
he this he would have been my friend. And of
course you have to like keep watching that video and
then you have to read about it, like on days
(28:11):
like today where you're like, oh god, I'm not looking
forward to this. But what I think this show is
beyond you know, the point that you made, Q, which
is that you know, policing is a white supremacist institution.
And it will protect itself the officers. You know, if
there is a conviction, the officers are simply going to
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be skategoes. If these were white officers, we would not
expect anything. That the fact that they're black officers doesn't
mean that we do expect anything. It's just that if
they get punished, we'll be like, it's because they're black.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And you know the other point that you made is that,
you know, okay, flip it around. You know, the victim
is white and it's four black officers beating him. You
know what, how does that look in your mind? I
won't even say how it looks in mind, just how
does that look in your mind? Four black officers beat
a white a young white man to death in front
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of his house as he screams for his mother, and
he dies in the hospital four days later, and their
defense is that they were off the adrenaline. That sounds
crazy to you, because it's crazy. The only reason that
you a person would make a bigger deal over that
than over Tyree Nichols is because we've conditioned to value
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white life a little higher than black life. This if
the person had been white, if Tyree Nichols had been white,
the police wouldn't even been beaten them. Four black cops
beating the white No, that wouldn't even happen, right, And
so I think that the other thing I want to
add here is that, you know, this testimony, in this
whole story just shows how vulnerable a population we are,
and I think that that should keep people motivated to
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continue to fight and advocate for what it is that
we really deserve from this country. This country has promise
to us and it needs to fulfill that promise, and
part of that is seeing us as full valuable human
beings whose lives have worth or dare I say, whose
lives matter?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
For our final story. This also comes from the Black
Information Network. Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley spent one
on one time with President Alon. Is that it yep, yep, perfect,
Thank you man. That's why that was going to throw
it to you anyway. But Saquon Barkley spent one on
one time with President Donald Trump ahead of the team's
scheduled Super Bowl celebration at the White House on Monday,
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April twenty eight. Trump is set to host the Eagles
at the White House after the team super Bowl win
against the Kansas City Chiefs in February. Barkley and Trump
were spotted hanging out together on Sunday, April twenty seven,
just a day before the Eagles visit. The two appeared
to get off Marine One in New Jersey together, chatting
as they exited the plane. Trump described Barkley as a
(30:57):
nice guid to reporters at the airport. Quote, I wanted
to race him, but I decided not to do it,
the president added, before the pair later boarded Air Force One.
Photo circulating online show Trump and the Eagles star at
the President's Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, with multiple
Make America Great Again hats sitting on the table. The
Barkley Trump spotting comes after Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts dodged
a question about whether he would be attending the White
(31:19):
House celebration earlier this month. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lury said
the White House visit is a time honor tradition, but
noted that attendance is optional for individual players.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Our culture is that these are optional things. If you
want to enjoy this, come along and will have a
great time. If you don't, it's totally an optional thing,
Larry said. On Monday, Barkley took social media to address
backlash over his appearance with Trump. Quote, loll, some people
are really upset because I played golfed and flew to
the White House with the president presidents of all caps.
(31:50):
Maybe I just respect the office. Not a hard concept
to understand. Just golfed with Obama not too long ago,
and look forward to finishing my round with Trump. You
get out of my mentions with all this politics and
have an amazing day, Barkley tweeted with a laughing face emoji.
So you know, I really do lean on you for
(32:13):
anything that has anything to do with sports, because you know,
there's not because I don't understand, like as a human being,
what's going on, but because I know that there's additional
context and depth that you know, you always introduce to
these these conversations. So your thoughts here, and I think
that that'll be sufficient for this story.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
In this instance, Rams is there's no additional sports context
to add. He's one of many people, celebrity, athlete or otherwise.
That makes the argument that you know, he's the president.
So like Nelly, Yeah, wouldn't everyone you know honor be
honored to hang out with him, like I just played
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golf with Obama the other day, as if they have
anything in common except for the job that they had.
Once upon the time, there was a gentleman in Germany.
His name was Adolf Hitler. Do you know what his
position was rases?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I think he was the whatever their equivalent to president is, chancellor,
prime minister or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You think anyone would admit they'd be honored to play
golf with him.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Nobody would do that, No one.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So that's all. I don't understand why people act so
confused now, Like everybody, we know what bad and evil like,
we know what it looks like. They have similar ideologies
across the board. It's like he's cosplaying, like he's playing
all day, like he's like a cover band for him.
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He's gonna play all of his hits. And as he
oppresses and disrespects and harms and threatens and bullies people
that look like you, go stand next to them and
treat everyone else like something's wrong with them for having
a problem with what you're doing. Yeah, you look crazy
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standing next to the guy whose entire professional life has
discriminated against people because they were black. Refused to do
business with people because they were black, passes legislation to
marginalized people because they're black, and other and other, covering
everyone that's not heterosexual, rich, Christian white man. So this
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idea that you get off your mentions with these politics
you mean politics like the integrated National Football League that
you play in. Ooh, that couldn't be what you mean?
Is it that you make millions of dollars to play
a game that's a television show on networks that let
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you participate in the country that once upon a time
did not like, we want to ignore all these things
that directly impact our lives others because it's convenient. When
called out on being just wrong. You're on the wrong
side of history, say my bad. Sometimes, don't make fun
of everyone else for pointing out that you're on the
wrong side. Yes, you look crazy as a black man
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standing next to that man. And to pretend you don't
understand why it's so intentionally obtuse. You know, other other
professionals have said, you know, will prove to me that
is racist. Really, that's your stance. He's not racist, And
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even if that's your position, everything else doesn't disqualify him.
I'm sure you have a mother or a wife, or
a daughter or a sister. How he feels about women
in general doesn't bug you. So for everyone, stop treating
us like we're the ones that are lose when we
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point out that, hey man, that's not a good look
standing next to him, for anyone that looks like us,
for anyone in general.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, the I I do want to say this.
You know, there's there's there's something to be said about
when a person wants to, you know, take a picture,
you know, be with you know, a former president or whatever.
You know, the last Republican president, you know, before Donald
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Trump was George Bush, right, and to go and take
a picture, shake his hand or whatever would not have
been nearly as offensive as doing that with Donald Trump. Now,
with that said, you still might get a couple of
looks from people. But if you wanted to make the
argument that hey man, it's the job. I respect the office.
(36:59):
I respect respect the position, not the individual nor their politics,
you can make that argument.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Not to cut you off, but it helps when the
person also respects the job.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And yeah, thank you, that's an excellent point.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
But you know, when when you're looking at at Donald
Trump specifically. Not only is that not the case with him,
because he's so much more extreme than anyone we've seen
in our life. Your black skin provides him cover. It
helps the people that are trying to have those arguments
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with Q where they ask you, well, can you can
you show me anything that he's done that's racist. Your
black skin allows them to point to you and say, look,
he was just golfing with this black football player. If
he's racist, he wouldn't golf with black because their simple
minded view of racism doesn't include systemic rush and it
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only includes I hate the N word and I don't
want them in my you know, neighborhood, that type of racism. Right,
But if you look at the data, yeah, no, you're
not how he feels. You're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
We have evidence of that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, absolutely, but the but the data, just to to
make my point, the data suggests that there are systems
in place that are that either privilege whiteness, punish non whiteness,
or both. And you know, you giving him a free pass, uh,
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a get out of jail, free car, a way to
maneuver around these challenging parts of life that that your
ancestors and you know that people now are are working
toward It's almost like you're selling out your people to
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go take a picture and play golf with this guy.
It doesn't matter if you respect the office or not.
We don't care about that. The thing is there's real
harm that comes from it from when you provide cover.
We can point to that, we can say okay, great,
now that look at this. And they'll use black people
as props as long as they can, you know, and
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they use the child in the house, you know, as
a as a voluntary police officer, use a football player,
they'll use anybody that they can use. Kanye West, use
whoever they can. As long as you have black skin,
it does not matter. And all the rest of us
black folks, the ninety two percent of black women that
that voted against him and the eighty three percent of
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black men that voted against him. I think it was
more than that because there was a lot of people
that voted third party. But all of us that these
another news stories can be founded dot Com, you're messing
it up of the black information networks.
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