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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, and the next story. As I promised this
from CNBC. The class of twenty twenty four have graduated
into a rocky jobs market, and it make matters whease
employers are becoming increasingly wary about hiring them. In fact,
sixty four percent of employers have said that they have
become concerned about hiring graduates in the past five years.
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More broadly, according to a recently published survey of two
hundred and sixty eight business leaders in the US by
higher education publication Intelligent dot Com, almost a third of
employers are particularly worried about hiring recent graduates who have
attended pro Palestinian protests in the past six months, while
twenty two percent are reluctant to hire graduates who have
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participated in these demonstrations. Almost two thirds of employers said
they were reluctant to hire protesters because they may exhibit
confrontational behavior in the workplace, and over half say it's
because they are too political and could make other workers
feel uncomfortable. Per the survey, other reasons included that they
perceived protesters as liabilities, dangerous, lacking a decent education mm hmm,
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and having political beliefs that were different from their own.
So again, this is kind of the other side of
that that conversation we were having. Uh, I know that
you had to your eyebrow had to raise the same
as mine when you read this, but you know, kind
of give us some insight into how it hits you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, definitely did. This was a very interesting scenario.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It was kind of crazy because you took a look
at exactly what. Well, first of all, I guess my
main thing is how do you I guess, actually, how
do you know who's participated in the protests and who
have I'm I'm really sure exactly. I felt that it's
not like people put that resume, But you know, that
was that was the first thing. So you don't necessarily
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know who's been who's been participating in these protests. I
understand how you identify that first place. So that's that's
the first thing that kind of came. I didn't find that.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
The second thing when it comes to this is I
didn't like the part where they were talking about how
they're uneducated or have lack of education.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I didn't I don't necessarily that just because just because
somebody is participating in the protests or demonstration doesn't mean
that they're not educated.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
About you know, about whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So I don't really think you can insult people in
that way, you know, especially in that case. But then
it also kind of thinks to me, as far as
you know, protests and stuff, if you're going to mhm,
keep out a certain group of like, let's say, if
you're going to keep out a certain group of people
who participated in demonstration or protests, I mean, shoot, what
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about I mean, what about three worries?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean, that was a whole right point.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I don't to hear anybody saying, hey, you participated in
January sixth, you can't do this, or we're not going
to buy you or hire you at this job or
something like that. So I mean, obviously there's two different
types of but I mean there's still protests, administrations, you know,
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So, uh, that's just the way.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I well, you know what one of those was a
decided decidedly violent protest against the United States government, and
you know they breached the walls of the Capitol and
wave the Confederate flag inside the rotunda and desecrated, uh,
you know, the House of Representatives, and you know, the
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people went there with the expressed intent of of being violent.
There were people that died, so for so one is
one of these things is not like the other, right,
But I your point is well made. I just wanted
to add that, just, you know, for additional context for
our listeners. Yeah, but you know there's something else here too.
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I think another point that is well made is that
you know, people wouldn't know if a person was participating
in a pro Palestinian protester because that's not on a resume, right.
But I think, kind of to tack onto our previous
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story that we covered, there might be some folks who
might assume such right. And for a person like me,
and for a lot of people who are out protesting
for the lives of the human beings on the ground
in Palestine, I'm sure a lot of them don't mind whatsoever.
I personally have been at a lot of the pro
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Palestinian demonstrations here where I live. Have no problem telling
everybody about it. You know, when everything comes out in
the wash, you know, I believe that I'll be on
the right side of history. At no point have I
done or said anything disrespect to my Jewish brothers and sisters,
nor would I. But I believe the nation state of
Israel has gone too far and it has cost too
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many lives, and that's just not the world that I
want to live in. And I have a right to protest,
and so I do. Another thing I want to add
to this is that you know, there's there's something that
we skipped over, but we're talking about the folks who
are not interested in working with people who are outspoken,
people who have conflicting political beliefs, people who stand up
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for what's right right, And you know, to me, that
reeks of cowardice. But there's another facet of people here
who love people who are outspoken, who love to be challenged,
who recognize the value of that in the business setting.
And those people can take people with different opinions and
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different viewpoints, different experiences and have them all at a
table and they can take input from all different types
of perspectives and then make the decision that is best
for the company. And in that type of setting, those
people with different opinions will often illuminate blind spots that
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companies tend to have.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, So on the one hand, we're you see what
I mean. So on the one hand, we have companies
who are afraid.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I don't want to argue. I don't want to upset
the corporate culture. I don't want to hire anyone who's
you know, these people are afraid, and those people, in
their fear, will continue to have blind spots. And ultimately,
in my belief in what I've learned in my many
years of college, and I am a business major, and
I do have a master's degree, so this is not nothing.
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My master's is in management and my bachelor's is in marketing. Okay,
what I've learned is that companies that operate from that
vantage point are the companies that make those marketing blenders,
the companies that end up in court for discriminatory practices,
the companies that end up paying out and going out
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of business because of these blind spots.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And the companies that thrive. And we had John Hope
Brian on the show the other day and he made
this point exceptionally well. The companies that are very diverse
are the companies that thrive that they can breach into
market successfully and untapped markets and capitalize on that, and
they play the capitalist game better than everyone else because
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they can they can grow, and they can grow in
diverse and novel ways, and so to everyone who is
afraid of pro Palestinian protesters, who are people who are
affirming that life is precious and should be protected at
all costs. People that are afraid of working with those people.
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People are afraid of those people's opinions. People. I say,
this is the highest form of cowardice. And if you
have a problem with that, you can see me at
the next protest. Finally, this from the Black Information Network.
A family is seeking justice for the alleged wrongful death
of an assistant principal who was shot and killed by
his neighbor in his apartment building. Per ABC seven Chicago.
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Abner Joseph, the assistant principle at Chicago's Intrinsic High School,
was fatally shot in his apartment building on September fourteenth,
twenty twenty three. Joseph's family recently filed a lawsuit against
the building's owners, management, security, and a neighbor identified as
forty five year old Garrett Mark Smith, who allegedly shot
Joseph to death and didn't face charges. On the night
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of his shooting, police said Joseph was wildly knocking on
neighbors doors and yelling incoherently police alleged a police alleged
Joseph hit a doorman who went to check on him.
A police report states a neighbor, who had concealed had
a concealed carry license, attempted to de escalate the situation
and warned Joseph that he was armed. According to police,
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Joseph turned and charged at the neighbor, prompting him to
open fire. Joseph was shot in the chest, abdomen, flink, armpit,
and one of his ring fingers. That's five shots. The
neighbor claimed he acted out of self defense. He was
taken into custody and released without charges. Attorneys for joseph
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family they police were on the way to the scene
when a vigilante neighbor took matters into their own hands.
Joseph's family said the assistant principle had recently switched medications
for his ADHD. They believe Joseph was in emotional distress
at the time of his fatal shooting. Quote, he was
in his socks, bathrobe and boxer shorts, so we know
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he was unarmed. Romanucci noted an investigation into the case
is still ongoing. The family is still seeking charges against
the neighbor. Amid the lawsuit. Ah, so that one was
a lot. I normally like to end on a high,
and we normally liked to on a high. But yeah,
this is this is it man. So yeah, you know
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talking about this one hit you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, this is a this is an interesting one. I'm
definitely looking at most most sides on the scenario. I
can see how, you know, obviously, how that family feels
and stuff saying that you know something mental mental is
going on, and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And then I know, like along the side.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
With the person, I think a lot of times, like
just in our day and age, I think I think we're.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Too quick too.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I do think that we are too quick to pull
will I will say that, especially when stuff like that,
you know, yeah that that's the that's the thing in itself.
Also then on the other hands, I mean I'm not
saying whether they're that person felt threatened or not, but
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I mean if somebody if you because obviously the person
who is that that neighbor, he doesn't know what's he
might not know what's going in the mentor or you
know exactly what's what's happening, But if.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Somebody is coming at you, when somebody.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Started at you and your first instinct is going to
be to figure out how you can defend yourself, but
you know, stuff like that so that way you don't
end up end up getting hurt, not saying that, you know,
but done had to be used. But that's just what
he chose to use in necesaria to protect himself. But
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you know, I see that sign and at the same time,
you know, the family saying stuff, you know, he was
it sounds like he was doors and stuff like that,
and then it sounds like, I guess from the doorman,
I'm not really sure. I know, said something about to
the point where he did hit the doorman and stuff.
So he did exhibit physical activity and physical force on
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the person. Not saying that neighbor reality that that was
just you know, detailing the stories.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know what. But yeah, this is yeah, it's it's
a very interesting scenario. And I definitely feel you know,
for the family. Yeah, especially I know what you mean,
you know, you know, that's their level. So you know,
he was going through something, something that he can't help, and.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Uh, it is it is unfortunate that this situation did
have the same Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, you know, my thing about this one is that
and I've said this before. If there's a situation like this,
which these types of situations happened quite a bit, just
how it goes in a society with knocking on four
hundred million people, you know. But if there's a situation
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like this and people have guns, right, that's for better
or worse. That is the law of the land. You
have a right to bear arms. The position I've always
taken with respect to guns is that people have and
keep guns out of fear, by and large. You know,
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unless you're skeet shooting, the reason you have a gun
is because you're afraid at all. That's what it boils
down to. Okay, the only purpose of a gun is
to end to life. Again, unless you're skeet shooting, the
only function of that device is to end to life.
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It's not for protection, although that's what people tell themselves. Yeah, again,
fear based. What if something goes wrong and I don't
have a gun? You know, you're living in the fear
what if this happens? Right, But there's this other side
of the coin, which is if that is your reality,
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If you are particularly susceptible to certain types of crime,
and you decide to exercise your Second Amendment right and
own a gun. That's a fair play. I can't argue
with you. It's not my play, not my way. I
don't think that I was put here to end to life.
You know, if a fly comes into my house, I
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just live with a fly, now, you know what I mean.
That's how I am, That's how I teach my sons.
But the troubling, the upsetting part of this is that
when you put a gun in people's hand, it makes
people feel braver than they would otherwise feel, and then
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you end up with this weird dichotomy. It's weird conundrum
where a person is both afraid and brave. Right, so
I have a gun. I'm gonna go check on this
guy who's knocking on people's doors. I don't have a
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I'm not medically qualified to examine this person. I don't
know what this person is dealing with. I don't know
if they intend to harm any nothing. Nothing. I'm just
brave enough to just brave it all and see what's
up because I have my.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Place right to the stage place.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Absolutely, but he chose to be brave, get his gun
and be brave. Let me step outside. I got a gun.
This isn't going down on my watch. I'm him right.
So he steps out in the hallway, okay, a man
in a robe and boxer shorts charges at him, and
all of a sudden, he's afraid. He didn't knuckle up,
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He didn't you know, none of that, nothing that you
would expect from a brave for a person, he ended
his life like a coward.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So that's kind of my take on a lot of
these stories, you know, especially when it comes to like
police violence against black and brown people, because you can't
be brave and scared. You got to pick a lane,
you know, and and you know, really the heroics are
the people that engage using you know, less lethal forms
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of control and that take higher risks. That's bravery. Fear
is oh my god, something might potentially happen, or he
might have something on him, or I don't.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I don't know, so I'm going to shoot.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's fear. He can't convince me otherwise, so don't try
so not you. I'm just saying in general, but you know,
that's that's my thoughts, and I don't like ending, you
know there. But unfortunately, with the long weekend comes a
lot of stories like this so that's where we're going
to have to leave it today. As always, i'd like
to thank you for your time and your insight. Once again,
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today's guest is Black Information Network news anchor Tyreek Win.
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