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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy news week, and we like to
review the major stories of the week here on the
Black Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information
Network news anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens to discuss
this week's major stories. This is the Black Information Network
Daily Podcast. I Am ramses Jah and I Am q War.
All right, Vanessa and Mike, welcome back to the show. Vanessa,
(00:23):
talk to me, tell me something good. What is the
latest in your world?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh hello, it's great to be back with you guys.
Just some early busy time summers all of us here.
The weather it's still a little questionable here in the
New York area, but you know, making.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
A do absolutely. Mister Stevens, talk to me, man, tell
me Some'm good.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I started to say I'm too blessed to be stressed,
but still once in a while.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I know the feeling for sure. All right, Well, let's
get to the news. This is why we came, all right.
First up, the fallout continues surrounding Joe Biden's answer announcement,
and earlier this week, sports host Stephen A. Smith shared
his thoughts on how the media handled the story. Vanessa,
let's get today's story, or let's get today's show started
(01:10):
with you telling us more about this story, and stephen A.
Smith comments, and of course Mike and Q will get
your thoughts next.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, you know, when you get to a certain age,
you can age rapidly, especially if there are health issues attached.
And I believe President Biden aged rapidly, and most people
had in mind the old Joe, and in the end,
I believe he was protected by his staff, which is
what stephen A Is saying, that he was protected, and
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then the media was in on it and we know it.
I remember when I interviewed President Biden toward the end.
He was clearly old at the time and he was
showing it, and it really wasn't that hidden because we
all saw him changing. He even walked differently, his gait
had changed. I definitely disagree with stephen A that we
(02:03):
were in a conspiracy, you know, against Trump. Trump did
very questionable things and still doing it right now in
our faces. He just doesn't like to be called out.
And quite frankly, Trump too shows lapses. So declining in
age old age, that's a really bipartisan issue.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Mike, Well, this is justin aside. Prostate cancer is a
really big deal for black men, whereas Joe Biden is
not black. I know twenty men who have prostate cancer,
and I think two of them are white. Because of
our race, we're more likely to get it. But if
(02:44):
you catch it early, survival rates are really good. And
I just wonder why President Biden didn't get checked for
his PSA for like ten years.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean it's something that they should have, you know,
been been reviewing.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It's just a blood test, you know, when you get
your regular check up for the PSA is what it's called.
There's also in office taste test that's a little more uncomfortable,
but at least the blood test should have been done. Yeah.
So my take on this is just one thing. Brothers,
including Hugh and Ramses, get yourselves checked.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah. I've been checked. I had to get checked earlier
in life, and so it's going to be a thing
that I had to stay on top of forever. Your
thoughts here, well.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I think there's some obvious conflation happening here, or correlation
of things that don't necessarily have anything to do with
one another. Yes, our former president had a very very
noticeable decline and cognitive ability, and it was clearly slower
and older and spoke with less fluency. But the idea
that him being sick is somehow criminal and that all
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of us were a part of the conspiracy to hide
his health from the country, because my question is always
to what end, like, what were we conspiring to do?
He was not running, he was not going to be
there for an additional term. And at the end, when
we'd already made that decision, what were we still trying
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to hide or what was our conspiracy still trying to
cover up? And the idea that you couldn't be sick
and still able. As you know ram this and maybe
some of our listeners as well, I am the son
of a two time cancer survivor. She is the most vibrant, intelligent, eloquent, powerful,
strong person that I've ever met. And if I didn't
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tell you she was battling cancer, you'd have no idea.
So there's a conflation here that's intentional. He was sick,
so they were hiding it, so it was a conspiracy.
So blah blah blah. We listened to our president speak
now and if he talks for longer than the forty
five second clips that he's able to get off and
make people applaud about. You'll hear a lot of incoherent
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rambling and slurring, and he's known for it. Oh my god,
what is he talking about? But you're not allowed to
criticize him, or you lose your press credential, or you
get berated in front of people and nobody stands up
for you. He gets to bully you out of even
questioning the very obvious decline in his own ability to speak,
let alone put together a coherent thought or idea. So
(05:25):
it's a ridiculous thing. And that's why stephen A disappointed
me so much, because buying in like he's a seasoned journalist.
Before he was a personality on TV, stephen A was
a real life journalist.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
He should be ashamed of himself.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But this is not the first time I felt that
way about something that he said on Beyonce's Internet. Up next,
the US Marine Corps has come out with the new
policy regarding grooming standards for their military division, and some
critics are calling the policy discriminatory toward black officers. Mike,
this time will start with you a little bit more
about this policy. When that's in ramses, you guys can
(06:03):
weighan Next.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, let me just start off by saying, both u
Q and Ramses have these really nice beards.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
They are sharp. I wish I wish I had those genes.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I have to shave my my stumble off every day.
So you can probably understand what's going on with this story.
The US Marine Corps is eliminating the waivers that allow
service members who suffer from razor bombs to stop shaving,
something the critics say disproportionately affects Black men. Uh, they
(06:37):
put through this these shaving waivers years ago because of
genetic skin conditions. A lot of a lot of us
have this, like razor bombs and ingrown hairs. But now,
due to the new rules, men who have these conditions
can be kicked out of the Marines regardless of you know,
how much time they've put in, you know, their their
qualities and so forth. If the issue continues, And just
(07:01):
to put it in perspective, black service members represent about
fifteen percent of the active duty for US, yet they
make up sixty six percent of those having shaving waivers.
You know, they have enough of a concern that they
have to wear a beard to keep from getting those
those razor bombs and ingrown hair. So this is seen
(07:23):
by some as being somewhat of an attack on black
military men.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Vanessa, it must be a conspiracy. Everybody knows, including the President,
about black men ingrown hairs and the need for beards.
So what's really behind this? And I think we all
can come to the same conclusion.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, I'm going to take a second here as a
person with a substantial beard, and I'm going to bring
folks because there's a lot of Black people who don't
have they don't worry about razor bumps. At least half
the population is not as concerned as those who are
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prone to razor bumps on our face, which is kind
of a big deal. So for folks that don't know,
when you shave, especially when you shave with a razor blade,
it cuts the hair very sharp, right, and black people's
hair is not it's when you cut it, it almost
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turns it into like a needle, like a needle tip
where it can pierce your skin. And that coupled with
the fact that our hair follicles are hooked, which is
why we have curly hair, means that our hair grows
in like rings, and it's possible for your hair to
grow in a circle, and that needle point from a
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sharp razor to cause your hair to hook into your
skin and then grow into your skin, and then you
end up with these hard bumps, right, And this is
why shaving for black people has been problematic or can
be problematic. Now I was It's funny. I was having
this conversation yesterday with a friend who was on Civic
(09:18):
Cipher before. He goes by the name of Gonzo, but
I was talking to him yesterday and he was telling
me about his time in prison. He was talking he's
a prison reform activist, and he was saying that in
prison they have these shaving waivers, and then you know,
Chris sends the story over talking about these changes, these
military changes or whatever, and I'm like, this is crazy.
(09:38):
I was just having this conversation. But prison has standards
that allow waivers for black men whose hair follicles are
hooked to have exemptions, and there's some medical or some
religious exemptions as well. I think you mentioned that there
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was fifteen percent of servicemen were black and sixty six
percent of the waivers went to black men. But the
waivers or I'm sorry, I think this condition affects sixty
percent of black men or sixty six percent of those
width of waivers are black men. I think both of
those stats are true.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
The black service members represent about fifteen to sixteen percent of.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The gas it. Yeah, that's they make sixty six percent
of those needed versions exactly. So what's the solution that
the that the military is offering here. They're saying that
they can use topical solutions. And for those who don't know,
the topical solutions are usually like a little cream thing,
and this has comes from experience. It's like a little
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it's not quite a cream, but it's it's maybe like
an oil or something. And if you have these razor
bumps or and grown hairs, you can put them onto
the bump and what it does is it dries out
your skin to where your skin flakes off and you
can almost like scratch the bump off of your skin,
and along with it will come the hair. So you're
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like losing your skin. And those of us who worry
about like hypopigmentation or having you know, white spots or
you know, spots on our skin, that's a concern. The
other option, and this is one put forth in the
article that we use to research. This is laser hair removal.
And as a person with a substantial beard who's had to,
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you know, kind of deal with this, I happen to
know that laser hair removal doesn't work as well for
black people as it does for white people with darker hair.
And the reason for that is because those laser hair
removal machines they target pigment, so they're looking for people's
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skin with no pigment. They're looking for the dark hair
follicle with pigment. And if you have dark skin with
dark hair, it's hard to distinguish. And just like if
you have light hair and like blonde or like light
skin and blonde hair, sorry, it's hard to determine what
the hair is from the skin. And so those two
groups typically have a harder go at getting hair removal treatment.
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And so they put forth they've invented a problem where
no problem existed before, with no real practical solution, and
what they're doing is making a lot of black men
medically ineligible to participate in this branch of the armed forces.
And what you end up with is a barrier where
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no barrier existed before. Everything was working just fine for
a million billion years and they put this forth with
no solution to it. And one of the Air Force
vets that I was reading in the article said that
this is just a version of a DEI attack, and
I thought that that was interesting. So, you know, to
your point, Vanessa was like, what's really going on here?
(13:00):
I'm like, uh, you know, I'm not really seeing what
the point is here to what end as Q would say,
so interesting, Hey, what's up?
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Mike Stevens are here with us discussing this week's major stories.
All right, next up, research firm Jail Partners, just completed
a study focused on the attitudes of white males in
the workplace, and some of the findings from the study
(13:57):
are quite revealing. Vanessa, Let's go back to you to
get it started. Here, give us some details on this
research study, and then Mike and Q, we're gonna get
your thoughts and see where we end up.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, quickly about that research study by j L Partners.
They found, by serveying more than about eight hundred white men,
nearly half of the white men self censored at work,
fearing they could say the wrong thing that could get
them fired. A quarter of them also said they felt
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they've been discriminated against because they are white and male,
and about a third of the men responding say they
were the least valued in the workplace. It is their
grievances that got Trump elected, and he is making good
on giving them the feeling they are the only true
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Americans and this is their country. I also think when
there is good, competent, obviously talented black people around who
deserve how positions, it becomes really hard for some to
take and diminished as this DEI hire. So uh yeah,
I'm glad they self censor at work. They everybody should
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in a sense self censor. You can't really say what
you really think about anything. So finally they're living or
learning to live in a world where they're just not
the only only one.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Mike. Yeah, you know, these sorts of attitudes seem to
run in cycles. Every so often it gets to a
new level, and then it happens again with new wording
and new accusations against black men, black women. You remember
years ago they talked about reverse discrimination, and then fighting
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against affirmative action and CRT and now pushing back on DEI.
These things are supposed to level the playing field, and
we're reminded that African Americans often have the hardest time
finding good jobs, advancing at work, getting pay equity simply
because of the color of their skin, no matter how
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good they are at the jobs. And so this kind
of concern among white men really is concerning.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, when you talk about like reverse racism and
things like that. I'm gonna jump in here. I'm sorry, Q.
I have to say this because I've kind of long
suspected that this would ultimately end up being true, because
there is no way that there's no way that the
story ends with racist people actually being better because of
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their racism. It might have some short term games, but
long term, there's got to be some sort of trade off.
And this is what I remember thinking this thought the
whole time, And granted originally was based in like theology
and religion and faith and whatever, but ultimately it came
to have like a practical, measurable application, at least in
my mind. And I think that this shows that reality
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because these white men are indeed victims of their forefathers
mischaracterization of what racism actually means. Right, So now these
white men are depressed and they think everybody hates them.
They don't think they have value because they don't actually
understand what racism is, right, and in the best, in
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the most optimal circumstances, they're talking about prejudice, but not racism, right,
So the idea of reverse racism on its face is wild, right, prejudice.
It's okay to be like, well, it's not okay. But
they if they were to say, oh, these people don't
like me because I'm white, Okay, sure, now that that
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is prejudice, no matter across the board, that's prejudice. But
if there is a system of power behind these people
that extends beyond you know, their mediate you know, homework
life reality. Right then we're talking about racism, and no
such thing exists. It doesn't exist in the United States,
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it doesn't exist in South Africa. For anybody to try
to purport that it does, it's crazy. Now. I know
that we kind of live in crazy times and people
will say whatever, And if they say it loud enough,
then there's enough people that will think that that must
be the truth because they're saying it loud enough. Totally,
I'll see it all that. But what I'd argue is
for white men to show me the data. Because Q
(18:32):
and I we work with data that we make our
arguments based on data. We deal with issues, we talk
about systems and problems that are explained in data, right,
and if white men can show me the data that
bears out their discrimination and how there is a systemic
oppression of white men, then I will allow this argument
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to you know, go further than you know, us covering
the story. But if we go back to their self
censoring and whatever, I would like to make a point
here for all those that might be listening. Uh, in
my opinion, self censor, self censoring is what black people
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and all marginalized people have been doing all along, right,
and if a white man has to do it, it's
it's called being polite. And we've reached a point in
our life where that politeness, that self censoring is some
sort of grievance to white men, so much so that
they've reelected Donald Trump, and that this article even exists
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in the first place. Being polite? Isn't that crazy? All right?
My bad? Okay, cue, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
White men make up almost twenty percent of the population
in this country. They make up almost eighty percent of
the millionaire in this country. You spoke about the systems
that work against them, talk about judges, We talked about
the data.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, no, no, I don't even need more than that.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Okay, go ahead, right, because most of their argument with
regards to their president, the economy, you know, access to
resources and capital and money, and how they're being pushed
out of all these jobs and all these opportunities.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Fifteen to sixteen percent of.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
The population are white men in this country. Seventy seven
percent of the millionaires in this country are white men.
In case you needed some data to show you how
disproportionate and unfair. The systems that are in place are
I'll just start there, because most people have a very
good understanding of money. Even those who don't have a
great understanding of math have a great.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Understanding of money. Yeah, at least And you hit the
nail on the head.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I almost tried to like jump in and knock your
mic over when you were saying it, and it's what
do you mean, I can't be a racist misogynist, get
it jerk to the people that I work with.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's you oppressing me. Wow, that's where we are now.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We're just requesting or requiring of you to be polite
and respectful to the people that you work and live amongst.
It's just too much to ask. That is a really,
really incredible place to be. You said those people were crazy,
and if that were the case, I'd feel better. They're
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just intentionally intellectually dishonest. They're liveless crazy. They couldn't help it,
their mental disorder. They're just they can't. They're doing it
on purpose. People are doing this intentionally. They know that
that's not the truth, but they know that there's enough
people they can upset by saying it louder. And it's
not even that they're saying it loud enough, they're saying
it often enough. If you just come outside and scream
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something real loud, people will look at you like you're crazy.
But say you're Mike Johnson, and you have on your
specs like Ramses and I and your you present well,
you speak well, eloquently all the time in front of
the most cameras, because you're the speaker leading what's supposed
to be the greatest nation in our country.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You speak calmly, you don't scream.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Actually, you give off the impression that what you're saying
is true just by the confidence and the calmness that
you use when you say it. So that person far
more dangerous than the guy that's saying it real loud,
the guy that can say it with eloquence over and
over again with no pushback, because if you push back,
you can't be here anymore. If you raise your hand
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and question me, I'll make sure that your credentials are
revoked and you never get to come in this space again.
You can't even represent the people or your constituents are
where you come from, or your news organization because you
disagree with me out loud. So you sit there and
you be quiet while I say this lie over and
over again, and that lie unchecked becomes the truth, not
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because it was loud, but because it perpetuated over and
over and no one could even raise their hand and say,
just plainly, that's not the truth, sir. We close out
this week's program with an update on the story covered
here on the Black Information that we're involving a lawsuit
against Harvard and the descendants of slaves impacted by photos
used by the university. Mike, tell us more about this story.
(23:17):
Vanessa and Rambus will come back to you to close
us out.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You know, this reminds me of the story about Henrietta
Lax who they took her cells without her permission, no compensation,
you know, for all those years or a family, and
it's benefited so many people. But for whatever reason, academics,
scientists have felt the freedom to collect different things, uh, skeletons, skulls,
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all kinds of stuff with black people without you know,
disclosing it, getting permission, etc. So Harvard University has agreed
to give up the ownership of photos of an enslaved
father and his daughter. They were forced to be photographed
back in eighteen fifty for a racist study. A professor
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was trying to prove the inferiority of black people. Well,
fast forward to now lawyers for a black woman named
Tamar Lanier, who's a descendant of those in the funto
She's been fighting for several years trying to get the
pictures back. She claimed they were taken without her ancestors consent,
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so therefore Harvard University could not be the rifle owner.
So again there's this court fight. There's a settlement. Now
the black relative will not get the photos. However, there
will be turned over to the International African American Museum
in Charleston, South Carolina, along with some other photos of
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enslaved people. Both sides are in a sense claiming victory.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But i'sair well.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I think Harvard has enough one. It's plait. So this fight,
this settlement worked out, although I was a little confused
why she is not actually getting the photos back and
it is going to that African American Museum in Charleston.
A lot of universities need to open up their history.
The Jesuits who run Georgetown, Saint Louis University, and more.
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They've researched the past and reached out to the descendants
of those who were enslaved and built these institutions. In fact,
recently I did a piece about some of the descendants
on my podcast Blackland. So, I mean, there are just
so many of these stories, so unjust when you go
back into the history, you know, it's the history that
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most people would like to erase, but it can't be erased,
and the truth will always come out.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You know what. A long time ago, Chris and I, well,
Chris reached out to me and he wanted me to
talk about I think it was this was during COVID.
He wanted me to talk about kind of the racism,
how racism got ingrained in medicine. And so I had
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to do a little bit of research on this, and
it's surprisingly easy to research. I thought it'd be a
lot more complicated, but there are a lot of people
that beat me to this topic. And it turns out
that slavery was a lot more horrific than I originally thought. Right,
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because you think slavery so you think you're buying a
person so that they can work on a plantation. But no,
you can just buy a person and then that's your person.
That's it. There's no animal cruelty laws. There's no nothing,
none of that sort of stuff. Right, So, if you
wanted to buy a person for the purposes of medical experimentation,
that that is your property. If you wanted to buy
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a purpose a person for the purposes of sexual gratification,
that's your property. If you wanted to buy a person
for the purposes of anything just to be cruel, that's
your property, right. And it's the scientific The medical experimentation
was the part that that really was this heartbreaking, right,
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And a lot of that information ended up making its
way into textbooks, and then one textbook copied the former
textbook of the previous textbook, and on and on and
on until you know today, and there's a lot of
modern textbooks that still have a lot of this bogus
information in it, based off of bogus science. Now it's
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important that you know, Mike, you mentioned that this was racist,
uh science, racist medicine, and that's true because what they're
these science scientists and the you know, medical professionals quote
unquote went into this trying to prove that like they
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had confirmation BIA, So they were trying to prove something
that they already hoped would be true, Right, so this
is why COVID was such a big deal. You know,
black people need more oxygen or less oxygen. I forget
which one was. But somehow we're not. We're somehow fundamentally different.
Although we are the same species across the board, Homo
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sapiens savings, genetically, we are virtually indistinguishable from one another.
There's more genetic variation in almost every other species because
of the several bottlenecks that our species has gone through
throughout our history. Right, we're all more or less related
to one another. However, this science tried to take pigment
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and make a lot of other determinations based on our humanity,
where the simple difference is really just pigment and as
I mentioned, curved follicles, and that's really about it. Right,
So when it comes to you know, these these medical experiments,
these these scientific photographs, all this sort of stuff, and
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this bogus science cephalic index and you know, all these
sort of studies, you know, black people feel less pain,
so we don't need as much in the way of
like pain medicine and whatever. We have thicker skin and
all this likes it's bogus, literally bogus, And they used
all of that stuff to justify slavery. Right when a
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woman comes forward and says, hey, these pictures that you
use to justify UH, keeping us uh positioned in a
society that already hated us, in a subservient role, that
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denied us our full humanity, and that allowed you to
take full advantage of us. That justified your moral bankruptcy.
We can see now as moral bankruptcy. For you to
still continue to hold onto these photos is an exacerbation
of that. It's a continuation of that injustice. And from
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what I gathered from the article, the reason that the
woman was happy that it did go to the museum
is because she wanted more people to know about it.
And then Harvard somehow hid behind that same they hid
in that same shadow, like, yeah, we're glad it's going
to this museum, you know. And this is the way
the story goes. Every so often you get I don't
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want to call this a win, but every so often
things end up I guess where they should be, and
you know that's not nothing. So we'll take it all.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Before we get out of here, Vanessa, I think that
you should let our listeners know about black Land. Would
you do that for me please too. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
This week on Blackland, I report on the recent story
of that white couple out of West Virginia who abuse
their five black adopted children. It was said they treated
those kids like slaves. It's really a fascinating story. Hear
it on Blackland, listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever
(31:21):
you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Right well, I am looking forward to that and I'd
like to thank you both very much for your time
and your insight. As always, once again, today's guests are
Black Information Network news anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens.
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review the major stories of the week here on the
Black Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information
Network news anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens to discuss
this week's major stories. This is the Black Information Network
Daily Podcast. I Am ramses Jah and I Am q War.
All right, Vanessa and Mike, welcome back to the show. Vanessa,
(00:23):
talk to me, tell me something good. What is the
latest in your world?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh hello, it's great to be back with you guys.
Just some early busy time summers all of us here.
The weather it's still a little questionable here in the
New York area, but you know, making.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
A do absolutely. Mister Stevens, talk to me, man, tell
me Some'm good.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I started to say I'm too blessed to be stressed,
but still once in a while.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I know the feeling for sure. All right, Well, let's
get to the news. This is why we came, all right.
First up, the fallout continues surrounding Joe Biden's answer announcement,
and earlier this week, sports host Stephen A. Smith shared
his thoughts on how the media handled the story. Vanessa,
let's get today's story, or let's get today's show started
(01:10):
with you telling us more about this story, and stephen A.
Smith comments, and of course Mike and Q will get
your thoughts next.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, you know, when you get to a certain age,
you can age rapidly, especially if there are health issues attached.
And I believe President Biden aged rapidly, and most people
had in mind the old Joe, and in the end,
I believe he was protected by his staff, which is
what stephen A Is saying, that he was protected, and
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then the media was in on it and we know it.
I remember when I interviewed President Biden toward the end.
He was clearly old at the time and he was
showing it, and it really wasn't that hidden because we
all saw him changing. He even walked differently, his gait
had changed. I definitely disagree with stephen A that we
(02:03):
were in a conspiracy, you know, against Trump. Trump did
very questionable things and still doing it right now in
our faces. He just doesn't like to be called out.
And quite frankly, Trump too shows lapses. So declining in
age old age, that's a really bipartisan issue.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Mike, Well, this is justin aside. Prostate cancer is a
really big deal for black men, whereas Joe Biden is
not black. I know twenty men who have prostate cancer,
and I think two of them are white. Because of
our race, we're more likely to get it. But if
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you catch it early, survival rates are really good. And
I just wonder why President Biden didn't get checked for
his PSA for like ten years.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean it's something that they should have, you know,
been been reviewing.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It's just a blood test, you know, when you get
your regular check up for the PSA is what it's called.
There's also in office taste test that's a little more uncomfortable,
but at least the blood test should have been done. Yeah.
So my take on this is just one thing. Brothers,
including Hugh and Ramses, get yourselves checked.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah. I've been checked. I had to get checked earlier
in life, and so it's going to be a thing
that I had to stay on top of forever. Your
thoughts here, well.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I think there's some obvious conflation happening here, or correlation
of things that don't necessarily have anything to do with
one another. Yes, our former president had a very very
noticeable decline and cognitive ability, and it was clearly slower
and older and spoke with less fluency. But the idea
that him being sick is somehow criminal and that all
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of us were a part of the conspiracy to hide
his health from the country, because my question is always
to what end, like, what were we conspiring to do?
He was not running, he was not going to be
there for an additional term. And at the end, when
we'd already made that decision, what were we still trying
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to hide or what was our conspiracy still trying to
cover up? And the idea that you couldn't be sick
and still able. As you know ram this and maybe
some of our listeners as well, I am the son
of a two time cancer survivor. She is the most vibrant, intelligent, eloquent, powerful,
strong person that I've ever met. And if I didn't
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tell you she was battling cancer, you'd have no idea.
So there's a conflation here that's intentional. He was sick,
so they were hiding it, so it was a conspiracy.
So blah blah blah. We listened to our president speak
now and if he talks for longer than the forty
five second clips that he's able to get off and
make people applaud about. You'll hear a lot of incoherent
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rambling and slurring, and he's known for it. Oh my god,
what is he talking about? But you're not allowed to
criticize him, or you lose your press credential, or you
get berated in front of people and nobody stands up
for you. He gets to bully you out of even
questioning the very obvious decline in his own ability to speak,
let alone put together a coherent thought or idea. So
(05:25):
it's a ridiculous thing. And that's why stephen A disappointed
me so much, because buying in like he's a seasoned journalist.
Before he was a personality on TV, stephen A was
a real life journalist.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
He should be ashamed of himself.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But this is not the first time I felt that
way about something that he said on Beyonce's Internet. Up next,
the US Marine Corps has come out with the new
policy regarding grooming standards for their military division, and some
critics are calling the policy discriminatory toward black officers. Mike,
this time will start with you a little bit more
about this policy. When that's in ramses, you guys can
(06:03):
weighan Next.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, let me just start off by saying, both u
Q and Ramses have these really nice beards.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
They are sharp. I wish I wish I had those genes.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I have to shave my my stumble off every day.
So you can probably understand what's going on with this story.
The US Marine Corps is eliminating the waivers that allow
service members who suffer from razor bombs to stop shaving,
something the critics say disproportionately affects Black men. Uh, they
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put through this these shaving waivers years ago because of
genetic skin conditions. A lot of a lot of us
have this, like razor bombs and ingrown hairs. But now,
due to the new rules, men who have these conditions
can be kicked out of the Marines regardless of you know,
how much time they've put in, you know, their their
qualities and so forth. If the issue continues, And just
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to put it in perspective, black service members represent about
fifteen percent of the active duty for US, yet they
make up sixty six percent of those having shaving waivers.
You know, they have enough of a concern that they
have to wear a beard to keep from getting those
those razor bombs and ingrown hair. So this is seen
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by some as being somewhat of an attack on black
military men.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Vanessa, it must be a conspiracy. Everybody knows, including the President,
about black men ingrown hairs and the need for beards.
So what's really behind this? And I think we all
can come to the same conclusion.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, I'm going to take a second here as a
person with a substantial beard, and I'm going to bring
folks because there's a lot of Black people who don't
have they don't worry about razor bumps. At least half
the population is not as concerned as those who are
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prone to razor bumps on our face, which is kind
of a big deal. So for folks that don't know,
when you shave, especially when you shave with a razor blade,
it cuts the hair very sharp, right, and black people's
hair is not it's when you cut it, it almost
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turns it into like a needle, like a needle tip
where it can pierce your skin. And that coupled with
the fact that our hair follicles are hooked, which is
why we have curly hair, means that our hair grows
in like rings, and it's possible for your hair to
grow in a circle, and that needle point from a
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sharp razor to cause your hair to hook into your
skin and then grow into your skin, and then you
end up with these hard bumps, right, And this is
why shaving for black people has been problematic or can
be problematic. Now I was It's funny. I was having
this conversation yesterday with a friend who was on Civic
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Cipher before. He goes by the name of Gonzo, but
I was talking to him yesterday and he was telling
me about his time in prison. He was talking he's
a prison reform activist, and he was saying that in
prison they have these shaving waivers, and then you know,
Chris sends the story over talking about these changes, these
military changes or whatever, and I'm like, this is crazy.
(09:38):
I was just having this conversation. But prison has standards
that allow waivers for black men whose hair follicles are
hooked to have exemptions, and there's some medical or some
religious exemptions as well. I think you mentioned that there
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was fifteen percent of servicemen were black and sixty six
percent of the waivers went to black men. But the
waivers or I'm sorry, I think this condition affects sixty
percent of black men or sixty six percent of those
width of waivers are black men. I think both of
those stats are true.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
The black service members represent about fifteen to sixteen percent of.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The gas it. Yeah, that's they make sixty six percent
of those needed versions exactly. So what's the solution that
the that the military is offering here. They're saying that
they can use topical solutions. And for those who don't know,
the topical solutions are usually like a little cream thing,
and this has comes from experience. It's like a little
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it's not quite a cream, but it's it's maybe like
an oil or something. And if you have these razor
bumps or and grown hairs, you can put them onto
the bump and what it does is it dries out
your skin to where your skin flakes off and you
can almost like scratch the bump off of your skin,
and along with it will come the hair. So you're
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like losing your skin. And those of us who worry
about like hypopigmentation or having you know, white spots or
you know, spots on our skin, that's a concern. The
other option, and this is one put forth in the
article that we use to research. This is laser hair removal.
And as a person with a substantial beard who's had to,
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you know, kind of deal with this, I happen to
know that laser hair removal doesn't work as well for
black people as it does for white people with darker hair.
And the reason for that is because those laser hair
removal machines they target pigment, so they're looking for people's
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skin with no pigment. They're looking for the dark hair
follicle with pigment. And if you have dark skin with
dark hair, it's hard to distinguish. And just like if
you have light hair and like blonde or like light
skin and blonde hair, sorry, it's hard to determine what
the hair is from the skin. And so those two
groups typically have a harder go at getting hair removal treatment.
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And so they put forth they've invented a problem where
no problem existed before, with no real practical solution, and
what they're doing is making a lot of black men
medically ineligible to participate in this branch of the armed forces.
And what you end up with is a barrier where
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no barrier existed before. Everything was working just fine for
a million billion years and they put this forth with
no solution to it. And one of the Air Force
vets that I was reading in the article said that
this is just a version of a DEI attack, and
I thought that that was interesting. So, you know, to
your point, Vanessa was like, what's really going on here?
(13:00):
I'm like, uh, you know, I'm not really seeing what
the point is here to what end as Q would say,
so interesting, Hey, what's up?
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Mike Stevens are here with us discussing this week's major stories.
All right, next up, research firm Jail Partners, just completed
a study focused on the attitudes of white males in
the workplace, and some of the findings from the study
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are quite revealing. Vanessa, Let's go back to you to
get it started. Here, give us some details on this
research study, and then Mike and Q, we're gonna get
your thoughts and see where we end up.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, quickly about that research study by j L Partners.
They found, by serveying more than about eight hundred white men,
nearly half of the white men self censored at work,
fearing they could say the wrong thing that could get
them fired. A quarter of them also said they felt
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they've been discriminated against because they are white and male,
and about a third of the men responding say they
were the least valued in the workplace. It is their
grievances that got Trump elected, and he is making good
on giving them the feeling they are the only true
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Americans and this is their country. I also think when
there is good, competent, obviously talented black people around who
deserve how positions, it becomes really hard for some to
take and diminished as this DEI hire. So uh yeah,
I'm glad they self censor at work. They everybody should
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in a sense self censor. You can't really say what
you really think about anything. So finally they're living or
learning to live in a world where they're just not
the only only one.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Mike. Yeah, you know, these sorts of attitudes seem to
run in cycles. Every so often it gets to a
new level, and then it happens again with new wording
and new accusations against black men, black women. You remember
years ago they talked about reverse discrimination, and then fighting
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against affirmative action and CRT and now pushing back on DEI.
These things are supposed to level the playing field, and
we're reminded that African Americans often have the hardest time
finding good jobs, advancing at work, getting pay equity simply
because of the color of their skin, no matter how
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good they are at the jobs. And so this kind
of concern among white men really is concerning.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, when you talk about like reverse racism and
things like that. I'm gonna jump in here. I'm sorry, Q.
I have to say this because I've kind of long
suspected that this would ultimately end up being true, because
there is no way that there's no way that the
story ends with racist people actually being better because of
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their racism. It might have some short term games, but
long term, there's got to be some sort of trade off.
And this is what I remember thinking this thought the
whole time, And granted originally was based in like theology
and religion and faith and whatever, but ultimately it came
to have like a practical, measurable application, at least in
my mind. And I think that this shows that reality
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because these white men are indeed victims of their forefathers
mischaracterization of what racism actually means. Right, So now these
white men are depressed and they think everybody hates them.
They don't think they have value because they don't actually
understand what racism is, right, and in the best, in
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the most optimal circumstances, they're talking about prejudice, but not racism, right,
So the idea of reverse racism on its face is wild, right, prejudice.
It's okay to be like, well, it's not okay. But
they if they were to say, oh, these people don't
like me because I'm white, Okay, sure, now that that
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is prejudice, no matter across the board, that's prejudice. But
if there is a system of power behind these people
that extends beyond you know, their mediate you know, homework
life reality. Right then we're talking about racism, and no
such thing exists. It doesn't exist in the United States,
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it doesn't exist in South Africa. For anybody to try
to purport that it does, it's crazy. Now. I know
that we kind of live in crazy times and people
will say whatever, And if they say it loud enough,
then there's enough people that will think that that must
be the truth because they're saying it loud enough. Totally,
I'll see it all that. But what I'd argue is
for white men to show me the data. Because Q
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and I we work with data that we make our
arguments based on data. We deal with issues, we talk
about systems and problems that are explained in data, right,
and if white men can show me the data that
bears out their discrimination and how there is a systemic
oppression of white men, then I will allow this argument
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to you know, go further than you know, us covering
the story. But if we go back to their self
censoring and whatever, I would like to make a point
here for all those that might be listening. Uh, in
my opinion, self censor, self censoring is what black people
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and all marginalized people have been doing all along, right,
and if a white man has to do it, it's
it's called being polite. And we've reached a point in
our life where that politeness, that self censoring is some
sort of grievance to white men, so much so that
they've reelected Donald Trump, and that this article even exists
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in the first place. Being polite? Isn't that crazy? All right?
My bad? Okay, cue, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
White men make up almost twenty percent of the population
in this country. They make up almost eighty percent of
the millionaire in this country. You spoke about the systems
that work against them, talk about judges, We talked about
the data.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, no, no, I don't even need more than that.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Okay, go ahead, right, because most of their argument with
regards to their president, the economy, you know, access to
resources and capital and money, and how they're being pushed
out of all these jobs and all these opportunities.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Fifteen to sixteen percent of.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
The population are white men in this country. Seventy seven
percent of the millionaires in this country are white men.
In case you needed some data to show you how
disproportionate and unfair. The systems that are in place are
I'll just start there, because most people have a very
good understanding of money. Even those who don't have a
great understanding of math have a great.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Understanding of money. Yeah, at least And you hit the
nail on the head.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I almost tried to like jump in and knock your
mic over when you were saying it, and it's what
do you mean, I can't be a racist misogynist, get
it jerk to the people that I work with.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's you oppressing me. Wow, that's where we are now.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We're just requesting or requiring of you to be polite
and respectful to the people that you work and live amongst.
It's just too much to ask. That is a really,
really incredible place to be. You said those people were crazy,
and if that were the case, I'd feel better. They're
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just intentionally intellectually dishonest. They're liveless crazy. They couldn't help it,
their mental disorder. They're just they can't. They're doing it
on purpose. People are doing this intentionally. They know that
that's not the truth, but they know that there's enough
people they can upset by saying it louder. And it's
not even that they're saying it loud enough, they're saying
it often enough. If you just come outside and scream
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something real loud, people will look at you like you're crazy.
But say you're Mike Johnson, and you have on your
specs like Ramses and I and your you present well,
you speak well, eloquently all the time in front of
the most cameras, because you're the speaker leading what's supposed
to be the greatest nation in our country.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You speak calmly, you don't scream.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Actually, you give off the impression that what you're saying
is true just by the confidence and the calmness that
you use when you say it. So that person far
more dangerous than the guy that's saying it real loud,
the guy that can say it with eloquence over and
over again with no pushback, because if you push back,
you can't be here anymore. If you raise your hand
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and question me, I'll make sure that your credentials are
revoked and you never get to come in this space again.
You can't even represent the people or your constituents are
where you come from, or your news organization because you
disagree with me out loud. So you sit there and
you be quiet while I say this lie over and
over again, and that lie unchecked becomes the truth, not
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because it was loud, but because it perpetuated over and
over and no one could even raise their hand and say,
just plainly, that's not the truth, sir. We close out
this week's program with an update on the story covered
here on the Black Information that we're involving a lawsuit
against Harvard and the descendants of slaves impacted by photos
used by the university. Mike, tell us more about this story.
(23:17):
Vanessa and Rambus will come back to you to close
us out.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You know, this reminds me of the story about Henrietta
Lax who they took her cells without her permission, no compensation,
you know, for all those years or a family, and
it's benefited so many people. But for whatever reason, academics,
scientists have felt the freedom to collect different things, uh, skeletons, skulls,
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all kinds of stuff with black people without you know,
disclosing it, getting permission, etc. So Harvard University has agreed
to give up the ownership of photos of an enslaved
father and his daughter. They were forced to be photographed
back in eighteen fifty for a racist study. A professor
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was trying to prove the inferiority of black people. Well,
fast forward to now lawyers for a black woman named
Tamar Lanier, who's a descendant of those in the funto
She's been fighting for several years trying to get the
pictures back. She claimed they were taken without her ancestors consent,
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so therefore Harvard University could not be the rifle owner.
So again there's this court fight. There's a settlement. Now
the black relative will not get the photos. However, there
will be turned over to the International African American Museum
in Charleston, South Carolina, along with some other photos of
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enslaved people. Both sides are in a sense claiming victory.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But i'sair well.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I think Harvard has enough one. It's plait. So this fight,
this settlement worked out, although I was a little confused
why she is not actually getting the photos back and
it is going to that African American Museum in Charleston.
A lot of universities need to open up their history.
The Jesuits who run Georgetown, Saint Louis University, and more.
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They've researched the past and reached out to the descendants
of those who were enslaved and built these institutions. In fact,
recently I did a piece about some of the descendants
on my podcast Blackland. So, I mean, there are just
so many of these stories, so unjust when you go
back into the history, you know, it's the history that
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most people would like to erase, but it can't be erased,
and the truth will always come out.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You know what. A long time ago, Chris and I, well,
Chris reached out to me and he wanted me to
talk about I think it was this was during COVID.
He wanted me to talk about kind of the racism,
how racism got ingrained in medicine. And so I had
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to do a little bit of research on this, and
it's surprisingly easy to research. I thought it'd be a
lot more complicated, but there are a lot of people
that beat me to this topic. And it turns out
that slavery was a lot more horrific than I originally thought. Right,
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because you think slavery so you think you're buying a
person so that they can work on a plantation. But no,
you can just buy a person and then that's your person.
That's it. There's no animal cruelty laws. There's no nothing,
none of that sort of stuff. Right, So, if you
wanted to buy a person for the purposes of medical experimentation,
that that is your property. If you wanted to buy
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a purpose a person for the purposes of sexual gratification,
that's your property. If you wanted to buy a person
for the purposes of anything just to be cruel, that's
your property, right. And it's the scientific The medical experimentation
was the part that that really was this heartbreaking, right,
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And a lot of that information ended up making its
way into textbooks, and then one textbook copied the former
textbook of the previous textbook, and on and on and
on until you know today, and there's a lot of
modern textbooks that still have a lot of this bogus
information in it, based off of bogus science. Now it's
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important that you know, Mike, you mentioned that this was racist,
uh science, racist medicine, and that's true because what they're
these science scientists and the you know, medical professionals quote
unquote went into this trying to prove that like they
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had confirmation BIA, So they were trying to prove something
that they already hoped would be true, Right, so this
is why COVID was such a big deal. You know,
black people need more oxygen or less oxygen. I forget
which one was. But somehow we're not. We're somehow fundamentally different.
Although we are the same species across the board, Homo
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sapiens savings, genetically, we are virtually indistinguishable from one another.
There's more genetic variation in almost every other species because
of the several bottlenecks that our species has gone through
throughout our history. Right, we're all more or less related
to one another. However, this science tried to take pigment
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and make a lot of other determinations based on our humanity,
where the simple difference is really just pigment and as
I mentioned, curved follicles, and that's really about it. Right,
So when it comes to you know, these these medical experiments,
these these scientific photographs, all this sort of stuff, and
(29:16):
this bogus science cephalic index and you know, all these
sort of studies, you know, black people feel less pain,
so we don't need as much in the way of
like pain medicine and whatever. We have thicker skin and
all this likes it's bogus, literally bogus, And they used
all of that stuff to justify slavery. Right when a
(29:38):
woman comes forward and says, hey, these pictures that you
use to justify UH, keeping us uh positioned in a
society that already hated us, in a subservient role, that
(29:58):
denied us our full humanity, and that allowed you to
take full advantage of us. That justified your moral bankruptcy.
We can see now as moral bankruptcy. For you to
still continue to hold onto these photos is an exacerbation
of that. It's a continuation of that injustice. And from
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what I gathered from the article, the reason that the
woman was happy that it did go to the museum
is because she wanted more people to know about it.
And then Harvard somehow hid behind that same they hid
in that same shadow, like, yeah, we're glad it's going
to this museum, you know. And this is the way
the story goes. Every so often you get I don't
(30:41):
want to call this a win, but every so often
things end up I guess where they should be, and
you know that's not nothing. So we'll take it all.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Before we get out of here, Vanessa, I think that
you should let our listeners know about black Land. Would
you do that for me please too. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
This week on Blackland, I report on the recent story
of that white couple out of West Virginia who abuse
their five black adopted children. It was said they treated
those kids like slaves. It's really a fascinating story. Hear
it on Blackland, listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever
(31:21):
you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Right well, I am looking forward to that and I'd
like to thank you both very much for your time
and your insight. As always, once again, today's guests are
Black Information Network news anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens.
This has been a production of the Black Information Network.
Today's show is produced by Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts
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I am q Ward on all social media as well.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And we'll be hosting another episode of Civicsipher this weekend
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