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May 31, 2024 15 mins

Thoughts and reflections on the verdict in the Donald Trump hush money trial take center stage on today's podcast episode. 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast, and I'm
your host, rams' Jah. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover everything that comes our way. But from time
to time, a story just stays with me, and Bill
compelled to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
A couple of years ago, I was disqualified from a
position as a contractor or the United States government because

(00:47):
I had what was considered a criminal speeding charge, not
a felony conviction, not a criminal record. A criminal speeding

(01:08):
charge disqualified me, regardless of my resume, regardless of my background,
from being able to make a living in this country,
especially if that living was going to be made working
for our government. Here we stand as the GOP prepares

(01:45):
to somewhat triumphantly move forward with their nomination for thirty
four time felon Donald Trump. That's where I want to
start my conversation with my brother, my broadcast partner, and

(02:11):
the person I probably share the most thoughts about everything
with most of the bi In Daily podcast post of
the Incredible, I try to just come up with every
synonym for incredible possible to talk about Civic Cipher, but

(02:33):
more so to talk about rams' jah. Talk to me Rams.
Today is a today? Is has been a day?

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah? Well, you know, when the news broke that Donald
Trump was guilty on all thirty four counts, I'll be honest,
I wasn't expecting that. I was expecting that. You know,
I knew that the prosecutions, or the defensive strategy, I

(03:08):
should say, was to try to stack some folks in
the jewelry who might be convinced and through some sort
of legal loophole it would be either a mistrial or
an acquittal or something like thatury hung jury. That's what
I was looking for, because they all had to be
in agreement. So because I knew that, I knew that

(03:30):
there was a lot of involvement when it came to
selecting the jurors, I just kind of expected. You know,
this is Donald Trump, the teflon don. He gets out
of everything. He's never based consequences, never held accountable. So
I figured this would be another one. And then when
the news broke, I had to sit with it for
several hours and it's like, okay, well what does this

(03:56):
really mean? And you know, I came across an article,
the article I shared with you from the Washington Post
that I think kind of details what the future looks like.
Why don't you start us off with some notes from that?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I suggests the question that most people will ask. I
think it might have been the question I asked you
via text message as soon as we learned of this
surprising verdict, and even before I get into the article.
I like, you were surprised at that outcome. I know
you were, But then immediately a cynic. Immediately there was

(04:39):
no moment of celebration, There was no yes, they got them.
It was like, okay, what does this mean now?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
So, as caught off guard as I was by the
jurors being able to reach a unanimous agreement and for
that to be guilty on all counts, my mind immediately
went to, okay, so when does he get back on
the campaign trail?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
What is next? And I think that's where everybody is
right now. So let's try to give at least a
reader's digest version of what people can expect moving forward. Sure, so,
New York Supreme Court Justice One Merchant will set a
sentencing date, which legal experts say is likely to be

(05:24):
two to three months after the verdict.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Now we know now that we've heard that the sentence
date is July eleventh, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Which seems expedited. Trump is required to report to the
New York City Department of Probation for an interview about
his background, his mental health, and the circumstances of his
case that will be used to help compile a pre
sentencing report rounds. Do you expect him to make himself

(05:55):
available for said interview?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Honestly, yeah, he's cooperated with the legal process.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I think he cooperated under the idea that there was
no way he'd be held accountable for anything. I think
now in protest, I wouldn't be surprised if he was like,
forget this sham of a justice system.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, I mean, it remains to be seen, but you know,
I think he's also on the other side that he
could have learned a lesson that there are consequences. So
maybe we'll see.

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Speaker 2 (06:42):
Legal experts said they do not expect Merchant to order
Trump to be detained while awaiting sentencing. Is that do
you know if that's normal, whether to be an option
of detention or not prosvertic pre sentence.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'll be honest, I'm not the most familiar with like
Lee ever been to court for myself, I've never you know,
I'm not super familiar. But from what I understand based
on the context here and other things that I've heard
that you know, that might be something that's up to
the judge.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, So the question that's in all caps, will Trump
go to jail?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
So?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
The charges against Trump are nonviolent Class E felonies, the
lowest level in New York, and they are punishable by
sixteen months to four years in state prison. Legal experts
say it is unlikely that Trump seventy seven, would be incarcerated,
given he had not previously been convicted of a crime.

(07:42):
Other options for Merchant include sentencing Trump to probation, which
would mean he would need approval from a parole officer
who travel outside the state. Trump could also be fined
or granted a conditional discharge, pegged to the requirement that
he stay out of further legal trouble. Legal experts say.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Now here's what I'm thinking might happen, and then we'll
finish the rest of this. And you know, we're waiting
on more information too, so we're going to keep today's
conversation brief, but as we get more information, we'll obviously
update this. But my thinking is that this judge has
been under attack by Donald Trump for such a long

(08:22):
time that that may not work in his favor when
it comes to sentencing, you know. And plus, Donald Trump
has a very very long track record of avoiding consequences
for his actions, and this judge has been about as

(08:45):
tough a judge, it's fair a judge, I should say,
but tough relative to Donald Trump as he's seen. And
so I could definitely see something more drastic happening happening
here then we would, then one would normally expect. But
all those things you just mentioned were retread. It's a

(09:06):
first time conviction, it's non violent, it's the lowest level felony,
et cetera. Obviously, another question that everyone's asking, and this
is to continue from the Washington Post article can Trump appeal?
It says Trump's legal team will have thirty days from
the New York verdict toile to file notice of appeal
and six months to file the full appeal. Any appeals

(09:28):
process would likely extend beyond the November fifth presidential election.
Legal experts said it is plausible that an appeals court
would agree to stay Trump's sentence until after the appeal
is adjudicated and then finally other.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You move on. Can you expound having his sentence stayed
until after appeal is adjudicator? You know what that means from.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
What I understand, Uh, it's that they will if they
file the appeal before the sentencing, then there will be
no cent There will be no sentencing until the appeal
is seen through, I suppose. So again, we're not legal experts.

(10:15):
We haven't had time to confer with legal experts. This
is just kind of our initial reaction here. But to
close out, he's still on trial in other places. So
it says Trump is facing three other active criminal prosecutions.
He faces federal charges in Washington, DC for allegedly trying
to overturn the results of the twenty twenty election, and

(10:37):
in Florida for allegedly hoarding classified documents from his presidency
and conspiring with aids to cover up his actions. And
state prosecutors in Georgia have charged him with election interference
as well. So there's still other things out there in
Trump's universe, and of course we're waiting on all of

(10:59):
those to come back. But for now, this is for
folks who are fans of democracy. It's not nothing, you know,
this is this is what he did. Now, it is
it is, it is, It has been documented and will
continue to watch the story in the final thoughts before
we go.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, for better or worse, Republican or Democrat, our elected
officials are supposed to be our leaders, and watching our
GOP elected officials react to this, it's very discouraging, sure,
very disheartening. It used to make me angry. Now it
just breaks my heart. You know that they are that
they've sold themselves like completely to the order and deity

(11:43):
of Donald Trump. He can literally do no wrong. And
whenever he does wrong or loses, it was rigged or
as a scam, or it's something set up against him somehow.
No one just says, man, shame on him. Yeah, no
one says, man, we thought he was this, but he's
shown us over and over that he's not. It's they

(12:05):
double and triple down and it's a really, really scary time.
This isn't one of these are one of those. This
is one of those moments rather that I think in
some times in the past would have felt like a
victory for democracy. But I think it's emboldened and enraged
and impassioned or whatever the word is. His followers and

(12:26):
his base and his friends and his people who want
to use his base to keep themselves employed. And then
you know, in our local in our federal government rather
local and federal, I think people have seen by just
aligning themselves with him that there are millions of people
that will support them. So for me, as much as

(12:48):
it should feel celebratory that there's seems to be some
level of accountability here, I can't help but feel like,
you know, reading about this appeals process that figure out
a way to wiggle out of it, and that his
supporters are more excited, like he's more of a hero

(13:12):
to them now that the Law and Order Party is
now saying that the criminal justice system is somehow, all
of a sudden a scam. Now that it's their guy
that's having to be held accountable, it's discouraging. It's it's
it's it's it's grossly discouraging. And these charges by themselves

(13:40):
should disqualify you from being the president. Being found guilty
of these charges, you think would have done.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
It, certainly.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Speeding ticket, what four other criminal trials going on at
the same time.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
But those who claim to care about us and that
are in a position to kind of set up what
our life, our day to day life is like, seemed
to be locked arm in arm with this guy. And
we see now that there is no such thing in
their eyes as accountability for him, or wrong for him,

(14:25):
or lost for him. Sure, it's all rigged, it's all
a scam. It's all set up to somehow unfairly go
against their Lord and savior.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Donald Trump Will said, well, we, of course don't speak
for everyone. Maybe you have some thoughts that we haven't
touched on and you'd like to add them. You can
do so using the red microphone talk back feature on
their Heart radio app. As always, we're going to continue
to monitor this and and bring you updates. If you

(14:59):
want to have those in real time, you can follow
me on social media. I am at ramses Ja.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I am Qward, Iam Qward.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
And until next time, y'all peace. This has been a
production of the Black Information Network. Today's show is produced
by Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts you'd like to share,
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(15:31):
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