May 6, 2024 • 36 mins
Civic Cipher cohost Q Ward joins Host Ramses Ja on today's podcast for a look at some of major news stories from the past weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
our weekend recap featuring bi in correspondent and the host
of Civic Cipher q Ward. This is the Black Information
(00:21):
Network Daily Podcast and I'm your host. Rams this job
all right, mister q Ward, Welcome back to the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I love when we get to do these in the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you, brother. People won't notice, but I got so
excited about this. I showed up at the studio last
night in the middle of the night and called you, like, yeah,
so what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So are we recording? What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Open the door?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Don't want me to just stay outside? I can spend
the night like you just tell me so. Yeah, man,
thanks for having me back. I love when i'm I
love when you're able to make space for me, and
I love when I'm able to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Sure sure, yeah, And I know that with what we
had to talk about. You know, Chris was sending over
the topics for us to review. This was perfect and
you know you're my favorite person to talk to anyway,
So what a time anyway? All right? First up from CNN,
Hamas says it has accepted a ceasefire deal proposed by
Egypt and Qatar which seeks to halt the seven month
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war with Israel in Gaza. In a statement Monday, Hamas
said the head of its political bureau, Ismail Hanaya, told
the Qatari Prime Minister and the Egyptian intelligence Minister that
the militant group had accepted their proposal. The Israeli government
is now reviewing the Hamas response. CNN has learned the
Israeli Prime Minister's office has declined to comment at this stage.
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The most recent framework, which Israel helped craft but was
not fully agreed to, calls for the release of between
twenty and thirty three hostages over several weeks in exchange
for a temporary ceasefire and the release of Palestinian prisoners.
After the initial exchange, according to the framework, it would
follow what sources describe it as the quote restoration of
sustainable call unquote, during which the remaining hostages, active Israeli
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soldiers and the bodies of hostages would be exchanged for
more Palestinian prisoners. A diplomatic source familiar with the talks
told CNN that after a day long meeting in Doha,
Qatar's capital, between CIA Director William Burns and the Katari
Prime minister, mediators convinced Hamas to accept a three part
deal quote. The bill is now firmly in Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin net Yahoo's court unquote. This according to a
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source at CNN. So that is a positive step in
the ceasefire that many people are calling for around the country.
How did this hit you when you when you first
learned a bit.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I have to be careful in situations like this to
not be like the wet blanket and to be able
to receive what sounds like positive news with a positive mindset.
Because of the way this has played out in the
even the way that the Israeli government has positioned itself
as kind of bully boss, you know, a person running
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the show or entity running the show. With this situation,
immediately my minds goes cynic and starts finding reasons to
not celebrate.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I want to just be happy that when I.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
See cease fire, I want to just over But you know,
even this, it's like Hamas accepted, but yeah, and right
after that butt, you know it's going to say Israel,
And once it says but Israel, now it's like okay,
Like here we are again. Like just like when the
United Nations was almost unanimous on stopping this thing months
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ago in the United States was the lone dissenter, It's
it's kind of the same. So I want to be excited.
I want to be happy because no matter who's position
you've supported throughout this thing, I think most decent people
can recognize and acknowledge that this has been pretty pretty
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gross when it comes to lost lives and lost lives
who are not political, people who are not military, people
who are not a mas, but women and children. I
think everyone should agree that it's long overdue, that this
be something that's over You know, there's times when people,
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and we've seen it throughout the political history, excuse me
of our country, where people will veto or vote down
something just because of who presented it, no matter if
it's a good idea, no matter if it's something that
they even agree with. Ramses said, do that, Oh no, no,
we're not doing that just because it was Ramses and
I have a problem with Ramses. Whatever he's saying is sound,
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it makes sense, it might even benefit me. But I
don't want Ramses getting credit for something good happening here.
So let me have something to say in return. Right, Yeah,
we accepted it, but we made some changes because just
so we can say we we not the last words. Yeah,
so that's the thing that concerns me. I'd rather I'd
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rather read a headline that says cease fire period.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Than this group.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Except but now it's in their court, and the people
whose quarters in seems to be those who had the
most to gain from the conflict in the first place.
So it's that I'm ready to exhale and ready to
exhale sound like the movie I'm ready to be relieved.
I'm ready to be happy and kind of celebrate a ceasefire,
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because contrary to what everybody wants to believe, these conversations
have to be had with nuance. And I hate the
way that this sounds that there are good people on
both sides thing. But in this case, when you're talking
about entire entities of people, you cannot say this entire
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group of people and its entirety is bad. And this
entire group and its entirety is good. There's nuance to
be had there. I think what we should be able
to agree on is that people having their lives snuffed out,
who for the most part or first and in some
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cases have nothing to do with the conflict is an
awful thing and it's about time that it be over.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well. I think that's the reason why we see so
many protests around the country is because there are people
who are blameless. There's no way you can convince me
that the leg I saw picked out of that rubble
of a smashed building, that the body that that leg
belonged to, it's a little girl somehow is culpable in
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the conflict. And everyone would agree with that sentiment, of course,
and there's people that would unfortunately, well every sensible person. Y, yeah,
every sensible person would agree with that sentiment. But the
idea that there is just a collateral cost to during
to war is ugly and it brings out the worst
of us. And this is what war looks like, and
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we're at war, right. Those people that can figure out
a way to do the mental gymnastics to set aside
for a moment that they saw a human limb from
an individual that never even got to grow up to
make an opinion to celebrate a sixth birthday. You know,
we saw on our own social media feed for Civic
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Cipher the baby that was cut from her mother's womb
because the mother had died in a bombing and they
were trying to keep the baby alive. The baby lived
for a week and then ultimately became another casualty in
that war. And there's no way, there's no way a
person can even do the mental gymnastics there, right, So
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this is what I believe a lot of people are
pushing back against. And we have some other stories to
cover that will kind of illuminate the state of the
protests in this country. But you know, just briefly, yesterday
I had a talk with my jeweler. I went to
His name is Orrin.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
My brother is fancy.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I don't even want y'all to well, I want him
to say that y'all just brushed past it like it didn't happen.
I have a meeting with my jeweler. And in order
for you to have a jeweler, you don't have just
one piece of jewelry. Well, well before my brother just
you know, he was gonna smooth past that and just
keep like proceed, Bro. I'm sorry that people just needed
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to understand. Well, you know, I'm saying that it's because
of them.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's because of y'all. You know what I'm saying. It's
because of y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
But but no, So I went to go see see Orn.
I hadn't been needing to see him for a while.
There's a ring that's broken and came from his shop
and needed to repair it. So that's the backstory there.
And the whole time I've been thinking about him, I
know him to be a good man. I know him
to be a kind man. And he is a Sephardic
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Jew and he's the person that taught me about Sephardic Jews.
He's in his jewelry store. He wears like the Yamako Aquipa.
He observes the Sabbath, so his store is not open
on Saturdays. Just a very disciplined Jewish man right among
many that I that I know. And I just get
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a ball out of hanging out with him. And since
this conflict, I haven't seen him with any real frequency.
Just you know, who goes to their jeweler all the time, right,
so I when I sat him, met him and sat
down and talked with him. I was telling him, Hey,
I've been thinking about you. How's your family doing. He's like, Oh,
my family's in northern Israel and there's a terrorist faction
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up there that is kind of trying to send bombs
in and about ten percent make through the iron domes
that they've been forced to evacuate. But everybody's safe. You know,
God is good, blah blah bh, all these sorts of things, right,
And then I invited him to come on the show,
and I was like, hey, man, you have a perspective
that I think people need to hear about. I need
to be very honest with you. I've been very critical
of Israel's response. I believe it to be too aggressive
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and the collateral cost is too high. So you need
to know that or you come onto the show. But
if you do come to the show, you'll be welcomed
as my brother. You will just have an opinion that
is very different. But I don't think that it's invalid.
I don't think that you are not entitled to that opinion.
I feel like in discussions we are able to find
how we should all feel about these things. And then
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after that conversation, I reached out to Amy, who infuriates me.
Amy Horowitz. For those that are longtime listeners of the show,
he's been kind of the more prominent pro Israeli voice
here on this show and on our other show, Cipik Cipher,
and Amy infuriates me to know. And but that's my brother.
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I'll find somebody industry for him. Man. I don't agree
with him on anything, but when we get on the phone,
we have a ball. We don't have to talk about
any of these other things, and we're reminded that we're
humans first and conservative, liberal, Republican democrat, et cetera, et
cetera second right, And he always thinks he's going to
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convince me to come over to the other side and
espouse the teachings of Preger you and vote with the
conservatives in this country and so forth. He thinks that
somehow that exists in my brain and in my heart,
and I have to remind him constantly that it does not,
and it will never exist in my heart, no matter
how much I age whatever. But I do think that
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in the space of these conversations, where people can remember
that we're humans and we're all kind of a part
of the same family, and then operate from that space.
You can be infuriated by a person like Ami and
still love him, which I absolutely do, and I've said
it on the show. I'll say it again. But it's
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just an interesting time. To your point. Finally, about this
cease fire, the thing that I was worried about for
the most part was whether or not Hamas would accept
anything from Israel. And you know, because they've accepted. I mean,
this bombing has been going on for a long time
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and these guys could have waved a white flag a
long time ago. So the fact that they were willing
to send people to meet in Egypt to have this
Doha and Doha, that's that's where it is. But uh,
to send send an envoy, I believe that would have
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what the name of the group or convoy, I'm not
sure in the name, but either way, send some folks
down there to represent their interests at the negotiating table.
That was not nothing. And the fact that now that
we see that they've agreed to what I would imagine
something that was put forth by Israel and it's and
it's and it's unclear whether or not they've changed it
at Israel was had a hand and crafting the class fire.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And whatever the ceasefire terms were in the first place.
So we'll see, man, Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But for now that's not nothing, all right. Next up
from media dot Com, students at Ole miss Or the
University of Mississippi were caught on video mocking a black
woman in a shocking display of racism that has gone viral.
Protests over the Israel Hamas war have roiled campuses across
the country and led to clashes between pro Palestine and
pro zero protesters, as well as with cops. This is
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just what we were talking about, but the clash took
on an added ugly dimension at Old miss this week
when a pair of dueling viral videos illustrated a disturbing
dynamic and one clip that was praised by Governor Tate Reeves,
students drowned out pro Palestine demonstrators by singing the Star
Spangled banner. But another clip, posted by Stacey J. Speiler
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shows white students mocking a black protester by mimicking monkey
noises and gestures suggestive of odor and chanting lock her up.
The shocking video or in praise from Republican legislator representative
of Mike Collins, who posted the video and wrote ole
miss taking care of business. That's unquotes. So you know
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I saw both of these videos, and you know Mississippi.
I mean, we've got stories about Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So yeah, we do.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, but you know your thoughts here. So I have
two separate trains of thought to express. One with regards
to protest in general. Every type of protests that can
happen happens in our country. Our country loves to beat
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its chest about how free we are here. Freedom of speech,
freedom to carry, freedom, Our freedoms are what we say,
separate us essentially from the rest of the world. Why
we are quote unquote the greatest country in the world.
We say that these freedoms that we talk about, except
every group does not get to peacefully express those freedoms.
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Every group doesn't get to peacefully ask to be allowed
those freedoms that are supposed to be unalienable. Every group
does not even get to peacefully just be present when
the lack of freedoms are being protested. And we've seen
our police agencies be the aggressor against people of color
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for every possible issue. But we have video evidence that
when neo Nazi groups like supremacy groups and even champion
of them all the klu klux Klan, gathers in number
campuses in cities at events where they're very presence, is
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just to be the antagonizer, just to wile up or
instigate negativity towards other groups. And the police show up,
hands behind their back, shoulder, shrug like, hey, what do
you want us to do? They're just exercising their right
free speech, free assembly, et cetera, et cetera. They never
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find a reason or a justification to become violent with
those groups ever, because if they did, trust me, all
of us would have seen the video by now all
of us, Well, they're not going to attack themselves, Okay,
so we can move on. I didn't even I was
going to try to figure out articulate that. But yeah,
I guess try punching yourself in the face. It's a
very difficult thing to do.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I'll move on.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So that's why the protest, that's why the police aren't
at those protests, because they're in the protests, Okay, they're
just in a different uniform next time.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I don't even remember where I was going at because
I try to creatively craft my way back to there,
but my brother cut across the grass, as we say,
right to the front door. The next point doesn't move
very far from that one. Once upon a time, and
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this is the point that I've made in my personal
life with personal friends of mine, that I've made on
this show, and that I've made on Civic Cipher. Once
upon a time, being a blatant, overt racist was something
to be ashamed of, even if that's who you actually were,
being called that or being viewed that way with something
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that you really didn't want, so you had to pretend
to be decent. And then I watched tens of millions
of our people celebrate this idea that at least they're
saying it with their chest now, and I'm like, why
does everybody think that that's good? Why does everyone think
that shameless, aggressive, overt racist and in bigotry is okay.
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That is not a good thing, because the result of
them pretending would be the same if they're pretending, or
if they're actually not racist. The result that we get
on our side is the same if they will not
screen attack and aggressively pursue their message and their feelings
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towards me and my family and my children, then they
might as well not have those thoughts. I don't care
that when they go home they call us monkey or
the N word, or they have these feelings that they
express to each other.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
If when they see me they have to pretend to
be polite and kind and respectful and decent, then the
life that I live is the same as if they
were decent and kind, largely right in my in my
personal interpersonal interaction, and of course not but that would
be the but the same with that right, the way
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that they legislate, the way that they think and operator
is going to be the same, whether they're screaming the
IN word at me or not. So either way, the
full version of the I experience is better when they
have to pretend to be decent and kind and not
racist bigots. So you have governors applauding this type like
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that would have been unheard of even when you and
I were kids. That governor would have had to pretend
in a statement that they were not okay with this.
They would have had to pretend even if they high
fived in their office when they crafted the statement for
the news and got in front of a microphone. They
would have had to say out loud, hey, that's not
what we stand for. Except now that's all the reason why,
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Because their constituents have now come out to be very
very overtly that way. They understand that that sparks those
people that go out and vote for them. They want
to to be seen as flagrant racist, biggest, they want
to be seen as people that want to drag us
back to Jim Crow or pre Jim Crow. They want
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to be seen as the party that represents the version
of this country that they want to be great again.
That again refers to a time where us, those of
us who would even care to listen to this show,
had less rights, had less freedoms, and had a less
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happy existence, a less peaceful existence, a less comfortable existence.
They want to drag us back to that, and they're
not even pretending that that's not the case anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Even ten years ago, making that kid famous who was
the most aggressive in that video would have been something
that he was terrified of. His employers would have had
to get involved because they didn't want to be viewed
that way. His friends would have had to publicly denounce
the behavior that they saw today. I don't know that
anything will happen. And when the governor of the state
is saying bravo, then what's the use in us seeing
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his face and knowing his name. He's clearly not a shame.
He knew he was being recorded, but he probably also
knew that what type of consequences there going to be.
I know that most of the people that are here
with me feel the way that I feel, and they're
all either out loud or behind closed doors making those
same monky noises.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Black Information Network correspondent and the host of Civic Cipher
q Ward is here with us discussing the weekends major
stories all right. Next up from Black Enterprise, the twenty
four to seven Wall Street has created an index using
data from the US Census Bureau to measure socioeconomic disparities
between black and white Americans. They've identified the worst US
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states for Black Americans to live in and Wisconsin, the
median household income for black individuals is only fifty one
point one percent of that for white dusals, marking the
widest income gap among all states. The unemployment rate for blacks,
who make up just six point one percent of the
population is eight point three percent, compared to three point
zero percent for white residents. Skipping download further, the top
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three worst states for black Americans are Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.
These states are highly segregated, with deeply embedded racial disparities
and access and services. In addition to racial zoning and redlining,
Black residents in these states are more likely to be
incarcerated in comparison to their white counterparts and have extremely
high unemployment rates for Black Americans. All right, so I
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know you've been all these places.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Any surprise here.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
First and foremost know no surprise there. What's most surprising
to me is that in the face of data like this,
people still want to pretend that there is not a
racial component present. And what I've heard a lot recently.
I think I may have even said this out loud before,
but I have to realize, even with myself, it's a
ridiculous thing to say out loud and actually think is true.
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Even though I said it out loud and thought it
was true. Once upon a time, it's not about black
and white. It's about rich and poor, kind of right,
poor in the sense of the United States of America.
Once upon the time actually meant black. Literally, it's the
reason why black exists. Hey, those are the people who
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are supposed to be poor, supposed to be property, supposed
to be slaves, supposed to not have rights, are less
than human Black right now, there are more immigrants here
now from all places all over the world, and their experience,
even though not that of a heterosexual, Christian white man,
is still not that of a black person. So it
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does not become a contest of who has a harder
time here. But the very foundation of the country, the
United States of America, and the capitalist system that it employs,
both once upon a time were set up specifically for
black people to be on the worst end of every
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every decision that was being made with regards to housing, legislation, money, religion,
freedom of whatever right because us, as black Americans, read
that same Constitution, the same bills or rights, and have
to remember, they were not talking about us when they
wrote that stuff. None of it all men. Well, they
didn't consider us men, so they were not talking about us.
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So you know, I've heard the conversation, and like I said,
I've even made that point myself. And this is because
when I was a young man, I went to the
RNC and met a bunch of black Republicans and I
was like, oh, I didn't even know this existed. I
never to that date. At that time, I was like
twenty two, I never met a black Republican. And then
I went to the National Convention. Thousands of black people
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and cool, nice, educated, down to earth, smart, wealthy and
unwealthy black people were there and really felt what they felt.
I did not agree, but I'm like, yo, A lot
of my ignorance came to the level at that convention
because I'm like, yo, these people are cool, So you
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can be black and Republican and cool, like this is possible, yes,
because once upon a time, Because once upon a time,
it was not several or separate factions of people. You
voted for who you voted for, and then the election
was over, so you went to school and to work
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and hung out and started relationships with and spent time
with and had friends that voted different from you. Because
I vote different from you didn't mean I hate you.
It didn't mean I want a worse life for you.
It just meant this is what I think will work
for me and my family. I hope, and if we
don't think those same things will work.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, gotten to a point where the things that you
think will work for your family are going to harm
my and you know it part of the part of
the campaign of your.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Candidate.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's based on the idea that they're going to make
life worse for me and my family. So it's not
like you don't know, and that's still how you cast
your vote. So it's a little bit different. So, yeah,
we cannot continue to pretend for some start to pretend
for others that the disparities here are not directly tied
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to the fact that the idea is for life to
be worse for black people. It always has been, and
even with the amount of progress that we've made, because
I have to acknowledge that there's been some not nearly enough,
because statistics like this are still real today.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, there's I want to just kind of piggyback
off the point you made. I've known black conservatives Republicans
in my life too, and often enough they're either not
just wealthy, but like business people, so not like wealthy
like athletes or actors or that sort of thing, because
typically those people still kind of feel the way that
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they feel, but people have kind of built it by
brick and understand a certain set of economic principles that
will allow them to continue to grow in their fiscal endeavors.
They're called fiscal conservatives, right again, don't I will never
vote that way. I do. I'm a sharer, It's just
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in my nature. I come from a huge family. I'm
very good with sharing. I don't need much to be happy.
But I understand how there are black people that can
end up in that space. And the rest are often
religious people like the God squad, you know what I mean.
And somehow conservatives have kind of gotten the They've become
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the party of Jesus in the Bible. Somehow, even though
a lot of what they stand on and a lot
of how to move really feels inconsistent with what Jesus
would have done, they have that.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Strategic in the way they've done that right. They've taken
you know, they've taken platform with things like abortion, right,
and when you call.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Murder, they tied it to God somehow.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
To something that God doesn't want.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And those who say that they believe in Him and
their mind must also stand with you, because hey, this
is the thing that God doesn't want, right, and that
one thing, they're letting gay people get married. God doesn't
like it. They're killing babies. God doesn't like it. So
when you position yourself like that, you put people in
a position where they have to say or they have
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to make a decision I can't support this and say
I'm a follower of Christ or a job of God,
and you manipulate them emotionally by using their deity against them.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So that's kind of where I've seen a lot of
the servative black folks in my time. And then and
as far as you know, these states we're talking again, Iowa, Minnesota,
and Wisconsin therese are all places that I've been to,
you know, and uh in Wyoming it's uh, that's another
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one too. But anyway, at least for these uh, these
three states, it's it makes sense how challenging it is
for black people to get a foot of these This
is this is the part of the country where a
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lot of that is a lot of the infrastructure is
very h It's dominated by whiteness and white culture. And
and one of the things that surprised me that none
of these places are in like the South, right, and
I would have guessed it would have be in Mississippi,
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South Carolina, you know, places like that, or Alabama, Arkansas.
But those places are a lot more established and a
lot older, and so you might not like black people,
but you found a place for them in your world.
There's a hierarchy, you know, who to make eye contact with,
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who not to make eye contact, if I had to guess.
And in these other places, it's not as old, and
so it's not as established and so.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, and these places are in the North, so you
have to realize these places had to become re racist. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Somehow people fled the South in the Confederacy to go
north to the Union, to places where slavery was outlawed
and black people were more welcome and accepted, but not
with numbers that weren't high enough. Because that's what happens.
You get there, it's not enough of you. You don't
determine governance, you don't determine policy. You just come to
this place that's friendlier.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You're not a slave anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, but eventually so does everyone else. Yeah, and they
get there and let's put back into place these things
that benefit us.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So to that point, you know, in terms of the disparities,
because I think that's what this study is really looking
at the gap between white success and black success. The
gap is wider in those places, I suspect because the
states in the in the Deep South are a lot
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of those states are really struggling in a lot of
areas that we really look at in terms of what
makes a successful society city state. You know, we're talking
about mortality rates, and we're talking about incarceration rates, drug abuse,
you know, all these things that we use to measure
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the health of a society. You know, how much money's
moving and so forth. And because those states in the
Deep South have a lot less than way of economic opportunity,
it's almost like everybody kind of suffers a little bit more.
And in these other states there's a little bit more
of a gap, and you see the stratification. There's white
folks at the top, black folks at the bottom. And
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so there's another way of kind of examining how that
came together. Our last story for the day comes from
the La Times. Police officers is a good one. Police
officers cannot detain someone on the street just because that
person tries to avoid contact with them. The California Supreme
Court ruled Thursday The decision has immediate implications for police
officers working all across the state, restricting the grounds under
which they can stop and hold people for questioning. It
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could also affect the other litigation in which arrests are
being challenged, particularly when people of color allege they were
detained simply for trying to avoid police. Someone acting nervous
or attempting to conceal themselves can still be quote relative
context unquote for officers, but those actions alone do not
constitute reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. This according to Justice
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Carol Corrigan, as she wrote on the unanimous High Court decision. Now,
before we jump into it, there was some pushback from
the police. Of course, the police are saying, well, you
know where we usually where we sniff around, we find drugs,
we find guns, we find you know what I mean,
And we're getting drugs and guns off of the streets.
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You know you don't want meth on the streets. Let
the police do their job, and the people that really
like having clean streets are going to continue to stand
in favor with our police. I'm, of course paraphrasing with
this with the police response to it was, but again,
the article is the article is up at the lot
of times if you want to check out the full thing.
But but yeah, so there's there's there's a little bit
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of both sides there. Let's get your thoughts here.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Ramses has said on Civic Cipher before and probably on
this show as well, fight or flight is a natural
I want to make sure that I say this part properly.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It's a natural biological function of any creature with a
nervous system.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Once again, my brother can articulate things much better than
me in some cases. But that's the best cases possible
way to say that. Someone being aggressive towards you, especially
when you have no idea why, of course you're going
to react in the way that says, hey, don't touch, grab, harm,
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hit or contain me. I don't know you. I did
not do anything to you or anyone else.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Me.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Not wanting you to grab me, handcuff me, sit on me,
kneel on me, put me in the back of your
car does not make me a criminal, just makes me
a living being. Someone randomly walking up to you and
being aggressive to you should be strange because they're wearing
a uniform should not change that. And often they are
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able to say thing like stop resisting, even when you're
not under arrest. Not resisting arrest, I'm resisting being held, grabbed, beat, slammed, punched,
stepped on, kneeled on, kicked, thrown, tossed, etc. By someone
who I should not be having an interaction with in
the first place, who I did nothing to, and I
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did nothing to no one else. So they are the aggressors,
and then you responding what they would consider negatively to
their aggression somehow criminalizes you and gives them permission to
become more aggressive and now finding a way to make
you criminal, to make you a violator of some sort.
And there are a lot of laws, as we've said before,
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that you might not even know about, that they can
accuse you of violating or coherse you into violating so
that they can now justify having assaulted you. It'll be very,
very interesting to see how this affects policing in La
County or I don't know if this is all over California.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I believe it's the California sprim pounds.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, so I'm curious to see what the outcomes will
be because we already know the reaction from police will
be negative.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, I am too and we'll keep monitoring it. Like
with all these stories and don't forget, you can find
these and more at biinnews dot com. Once again, i'd
like to thank you to Ward for coming on and
sharing your brilliance and your insight into these stories. Once again.
Today's guest is bi in Correspondent and the host of
Civic Cipher Q.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
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right here on the Black Information Network Daily Podcast
Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
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Network Daily Podcast and I'm your host. Rams this job
all right, mister q Ward, Welcome back to the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I love when we get to do these in the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you, brother. People won't notice, but I got so
excited about this. I showed up at the studio last
night in the middle of the night and called you, like, yeah,
so what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So are we recording? What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Open the door?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Don't want me to just stay outside? I can spend
the night like you just tell me so. Yeah, man,
thanks for having me back. I love when i'm I
love when you're able to make space for me, and
I love when I'm able to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Sure sure, yeah, And I know that with what we
had to talk about. You know, Chris was sending over
the topics for us to review. This was perfect and
you know you're my favorite person to talk to anyway,
So what a time anyway? All right? First up from CNN,
Hamas says it has accepted a ceasefire deal proposed by
Egypt and Qatar which seeks to halt the seven month
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war with Israel in Gaza. In a statement Monday, Hamas
said the head of its political bureau, Ismail Hanaya, told
the Qatari Prime Minister and the Egyptian intelligence Minister that
the militant group had accepted their proposal. The Israeli government
is now reviewing the Hamas response. CNN has learned the
Israeli Prime Minister's office has declined to comment at this stage.
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The most recent framework, which Israel helped craft but was
not fully agreed to, calls for the release of between
twenty and thirty three hostages over several weeks in exchange
for a temporary ceasefire and the release of Palestinian prisoners.
After the initial exchange, according to the framework, it would
follow what sources describe it as the quote restoration of
sustainable call unquote, during which the remaining hostages, active Israeli
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soldiers and the bodies of hostages would be exchanged for
more Palestinian prisoners. A diplomatic source familiar with the talks
told CNN that after a day long meeting in Doha,
Qatar's capital, between CIA Director William Burns and the Katari
Prime minister, mediators convinced Hamas to accept a three part
deal quote. The bill is now firmly in Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin net Yahoo's court unquote. This according to a
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source at CNN. So that is a positive step in
the ceasefire that many people are calling for around the country.
How did this hit you when you when you first
learned a bit.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I have to be careful in situations like this to
not be like the wet blanket and to be able
to receive what sounds like positive news with a positive mindset.
Because of the way this has played out in the
even the way that the Israeli government has positioned itself
as kind of bully boss, you know, a person running
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the show or entity running the show. With this situation,
immediately my minds goes cynic and starts finding reasons to
not celebrate.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I want to just be happy that when I.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
See cease fire, I want to just over But you know,
even this, it's like Hamas accepted, but yeah, and right
after that butt, you know it's going to say Israel,
And once it says but Israel, now it's like okay,
Like here we are again. Like just like when the
United Nations was almost unanimous on stopping this thing months
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ago in the United States was the lone dissenter, It's
it's kind of the same. So I want to be excited.
I want to be happy because no matter who's position
you've supported throughout this thing, I think most decent people
can recognize and acknowledge that this has been pretty pretty
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gross when it comes to lost lives and lost lives
who are not political, people who are not military, people
who are not a mas, but women and children. I
think everyone should agree that it's long overdue, that this
be something that's over You know, there's times when people,
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and we've seen it throughout the political history, excuse me
of our country, where people will veto or vote down
something just because of who presented it, no matter if
it's a good idea, no matter if it's something that
they even agree with. Ramses said, do that, Oh no, no,
we're not doing that just because it was Ramses and
I have a problem with Ramses. Whatever he's saying is sound,
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it makes sense, it might even benefit me. But I
don't want Ramses getting credit for something good happening here.
So let me have something to say in return. Right, Yeah,
we accepted it, but we made some changes because just
so we can say we we not the last words. Yeah,
so that's the thing that concerns me. I'd rather I'd
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rather read a headline that says cease fire period.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Than this group.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Except but now it's in their court, and the people
whose quarters in seems to be those who had the
most to gain from the conflict in the first place.
So it's that I'm ready to exhale and ready to
exhale sound like the movie I'm ready to be relieved.
I'm ready to be happy and kind of celebrate a ceasefire,
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because contrary to what everybody wants to believe, these conversations
have to be had with nuance. And I hate the
way that this sounds that there are good people on
both sides thing. But in this case, when you're talking
about entire entities of people, you cannot say this entire
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group of people and its entirety is bad. And this
entire group and its entirety is good. There's nuance to
be had there. I think what we should be able
to agree on is that people having their lives snuffed out,
who for the most part or first and in some
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cases have nothing to do with the conflict is an
awful thing and it's about time that it be over.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well. I think that's the reason why we see so
many protests around the country is because there are people
who are blameless. There's no way you can convince me
that the leg I saw picked out of that rubble
of a smashed building, that the body that that leg
belonged to, it's a little girl somehow is culpable in
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the conflict. And everyone would agree with that sentiment, of course,
and there's people that would unfortunately, well every sensible person. Y, yeah,
every sensible person would agree with that sentiment. But the
idea that there is just a collateral cost to during
to war is ugly and it brings out the worst
of us. And this is what war looks like, and
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we're at war, right. Those people that can figure out
a way to do the mental gymnastics to set aside
for a moment that they saw a human limb from
an individual that never even got to grow up to
make an opinion to celebrate a sixth birthday. You know,
we saw on our own social media feed for Civic
(07:28):
Cipher the baby that was cut from her mother's womb
because the mother had died in a bombing and they
were trying to keep the baby alive. The baby lived
for a week and then ultimately became another casualty in
that war. And there's no way, there's no way a
person can even do the mental gymnastics there, right, So
(07:50):
this is what I believe a lot of people are
pushing back against. And we have some other stories to
cover that will kind of illuminate the state of the
protests in this country. But you know, just briefly, yesterday
I had a talk with my jeweler. I went to
His name is Orrin.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
My brother is fancy.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I don't even want y'all to well, I want him
to say that y'all just brushed past it like it didn't happen.
I have a meeting with my jeweler. And in order
for you to have a jeweler, you don't have just
one piece of jewelry. Well, well before my brother just
you know, he was gonna smooth past that and just
keep like proceed, Bro. I'm sorry that people just needed
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to understand. Well, you know, I'm saying that it's because
of them.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's because of y'all. You know what I'm saying. It's
because of y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
But but no, So I went to go see see Orn.
I hadn't been needing to see him for a while.
There's a ring that's broken and came from his shop
and needed to repair it. So that's the backstory there.
And the whole time I've been thinking about him, I
know him to be a good man. I know him
to be a kind man. And he is a Sephardic
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Jew and he's the person that taught me about Sephardic Jews.
He's in his jewelry store. He wears like the Yamako Aquipa.
He observes the Sabbath, so his store is not open
on Saturdays. Just a very disciplined Jewish man right among
many that I that I know. And I just get
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a ball out of hanging out with him. And since
this conflict, I haven't seen him with any real frequency.
Just you know, who goes to their jeweler all the time, right,
so I when I sat him, met him and sat
down and talked with him. I was telling him, Hey,
I've been thinking about you. How's your family doing. He's like, Oh,
my family's in northern Israel and there's a terrorist faction
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up there that is kind of trying to send bombs
in and about ten percent make through the iron domes
that they've been forced to evacuate. But everybody's safe. You know,
God is good, blah blah bh, all these sorts of things, right,
And then I invited him to come on the show,
and I was like, hey, man, you have a perspective
that I think people need to hear about. I need
to be very honest with you. I've been very critical
of Israel's response. I believe it to be too aggressive
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and the collateral cost is too high. So you need
to know that or you come onto the show. But
if you do come to the show, you'll be welcomed
as my brother. You will just have an opinion that
is very different. But I don't think that it's invalid.
I don't think that you are not entitled to that opinion.
I feel like in discussions we are able to find
how we should all feel about these things. And then
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after that conversation, I reached out to Amy, who infuriates me.
Amy Horowitz. For those that are longtime listeners of the show,
he's been kind of the more prominent pro Israeli voice
here on this show and on our other show, Cipik Cipher,
and Amy infuriates me to know. And but that's my brother.
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I'll find somebody industry for him. Man. I don't agree
with him on anything, but when we get on the phone,
we have a ball. We don't have to talk about
any of these other things, and we're reminded that we're
humans first and conservative, liberal, Republican democrat, et cetera, et
cetera second right, And he always thinks he's going to
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convince me to come over to the other side and
espouse the teachings of Preger you and vote with the
conservatives in this country and so forth. He thinks that
somehow that exists in my brain and in my heart,
and I have to remind him constantly that it does not,
and it will never exist in my heart, no matter
how much I age whatever. But I do think that
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in the space of these conversations, where people can remember
that we're humans and we're all kind of a part
of the same family, and then operate from that space.
You can be infuriated by a person like Ami and
still love him, which I absolutely do, and I've said
it on the show. I'll say it again. But it's
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just an interesting time. To your point. Finally, about this
cease fire, the thing that I was worried about for
the most part was whether or not Hamas would accept
anything from Israel. And you know, because they've accepted. I mean,
this bombing has been going on for a long time
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and these guys could have waved a white flag a
long time ago. So the fact that they were willing
to send people to meet in Egypt to have this
Doha and Doha, that's that's where it is. But uh,
to send send an envoy, I believe that would have
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what the name of the group or convoy, I'm not
sure in the name, but either way, send some folks
down there to represent their interests at the negotiating table.
That was not nothing. And the fact that now that
we see that they've agreed to what I would imagine
something that was put forth by Israel and it's and
it's and it's unclear whether or not they've changed it
at Israel was had a hand and crafting the class fire.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And whatever the ceasefire terms were in the first place.
So we'll see, man, Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But for now that's not nothing, all right. Next up
from media dot Com, students at Ole miss Or the
University of Mississippi were caught on video mocking a black
woman in a shocking display of racism that has gone viral.
Protests over the Israel Hamas war have roiled campuses across
the country and led to clashes between pro Palestine and
pro zero protesters, as well as with cops. This is
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just what we were talking about, but the clash took
on an added ugly dimension at Old miss this week
when a pair of dueling viral videos illustrated a disturbing
dynamic and one clip that was praised by Governor Tate Reeves,
students drowned out pro Palestine demonstrators by singing the Star
Spangled banner. But another clip, posted by Stacey J. Speiler
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shows white students mocking a black protester by mimicking monkey
noises and gestures suggestive of odor and chanting lock her up.
The shocking video or in praise from Republican legislator representative
of Mike Collins, who posted the video and wrote ole
miss taking care of business. That's unquotes. So you know
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I saw both of these videos, and you know Mississippi.
I mean, we've got stories about Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So yeah, we do.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, but you know your thoughts here. So I have
two separate trains of thought to express. One with regards
to protest in general. Every type of protests that can
happen happens in our country. Our country loves to beat
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its chest about how free we are here. Freedom of speech,
freedom to carry, freedom, Our freedoms are what we say,
separate us essentially from the rest of the world. Why
we are quote unquote the greatest country in the world.
We say that these freedoms that we talk about, except
every group does not get to peacefully express those freedoms.
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Every group doesn't get to peacefully ask to be allowed
those freedoms that are supposed to be unalienable. Every group
does not even get to peacefully just be present when
the lack of freedoms are being protested. And we've seen
our police agencies be the aggressor against people of color
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for every possible issue. But we have video evidence that
when neo Nazi groups like supremacy groups and even champion
of them all the klu klux Klan, gathers in number
campuses in cities at events where they're very presence, is
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just to be the antagonizer, just to wile up or
instigate negativity towards other groups. And the police show up,
hands behind their back, shoulder, shrug like, hey, what do
you want us to do? They're just exercising their right
free speech, free assembly, et cetera, et cetera. They never
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find a reason or a justification to become violent with
those groups ever, because if they did, trust me, all
of us would have seen the video by now all
of us, Well, they're not going to attack themselves, Okay,
so we can move on. I didn't even I was
going to try to figure out articulate that. But yeah,
I guess try punching yourself in the face. It's a
very difficult thing to do.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I'll move on.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So that's why the protest, that's why the police aren't
at those protests, because they're in the protests, Okay, they're
just in a different uniform next time.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I don't even remember where I was going at because
I try to creatively craft my way back to there,
but my brother cut across the grass, as we say,
right to the front door. The next point doesn't move
very far from that one. Once upon a time, and
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this is the point that I've made in my personal
life with personal friends of mine, that I've made on
this show, and that I've made on Civic Cipher. Once
upon a time, being a blatant, overt racist was something
to be ashamed of, even if that's who you actually were,
being called that or being viewed that way with something
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that you really didn't want, so you had to pretend
to be decent. And then I watched tens of millions
of our people celebrate this idea that at least they're
saying it with their chest now, and I'm like, why
does everybody think that that's good? Why does everyone think
that shameless, aggressive, overt racist and in bigotry is okay.
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That is not a good thing, because the result of
them pretending would be the same if they're pretending, or
if they're actually not racist. The result that we get
on our side is the same if they will not
screen attack and aggressively pursue their message and their feelings
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towards me and my family and my children, then they
might as well not have those thoughts. I don't care
that when they go home they call us monkey or
the N word, or they have these feelings that they
express to each other.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
If when they see me they have to pretend to
be polite and kind and respectful and decent, then the
life that I live is the same as if they
were decent and kind, largely right in my in my
personal interpersonal interaction, and of course not but that would
be the but the same with that right, the way
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that they legislate, the way that they think and operator
is going to be the same, whether they're screaming the
IN word at me or not. So either way, the
full version of the I experience is better when they
have to pretend to be decent and kind and not
racist bigots. So you have governors applauding this type like
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that would have been unheard of even when you and
I were kids. That governor would have had to pretend
in a statement that they were not okay with this.
They would have had to pretend even if they high
fived in their office when they crafted the statement for
the news and got in front of a microphone. They
would have had to say out loud, hey, that's not
what we stand for. Except now that's all the reason why,
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Because their constituents have now come out to be very
very overtly that way. They understand that that sparks those
people that go out and vote for them. They want
to to be seen as flagrant racist, biggest, they want
to be seen as people that want to drag us
back to Jim Crow or pre Jim Crow. They want
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to be seen as the party that represents the version
of this country that they want to be great again.
That again refers to a time where us, those of
us who would even care to listen to this show,
had less rights, had less freedoms, and had a less
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happy existence, a less peaceful existence, a less comfortable existence.
They want to drag us back to that, and they're
not even pretending that that's not the case anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Even ten years ago, making that kid famous who was
the most aggressive in that video would have been something
that he was terrified of. His employers would have had
to get involved because they didn't want to be viewed
that way. His friends would have had to publicly denounce
the behavior that they saw today. I don't know that
anything will happen. And when the governor of the state
is saying bravo, then what's the use in us seeing
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his face and knowing his name. He's clearly not a shame.
He knew he was being recorded, but he probably also
knew that what type of consequences there going to be.
I know that most of the people that are here
with me feel the way that I feel, and they're
all either out loud or behind closed doors making those
same monky noises.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Black Information Network correspondent and the host of Civic Cipher
q Ward is here with us discussing the weekends major
stories all right. Next up from Black Enterprise, the twenty
four to seven Wall Street has created an index using
data from the US Census Bureau to measure socioeconomic disparities
between black and white Americans. They've identified the worst US
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states for Black Americans to live in and Wisconsin, the
median household income for black individuals is only fifty one
point one percent of that for white dusals, marking the
widest income gap among all states. The unemployment rate for blacks,
who make up just six point one percent of the
population is eight point three percent, compared to three point
zero percent for white residents. Skipping download further, the top
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three worst states for black Americans are Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.
These states are highly segregated, with deeply embedded racial disparities
and access and services. In addition to racial zoning and redlining,
Black residents in these states are more likely to be
incarcerated in comparison to their white counterparts and have extremely
high unemployment rates for Black Americans. All right, so I
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know you've been all these places.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Any surprise here.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
First and foremost know no surprise there. What's most surprising
to me is that in the face of data like this,
people still want to pretend that there is not a
racial component present. And what I've heard a lot recently.
I think I may have even said this out loud before,
but I have to realize, even with myself, it's a
ridiculous thing to say out loud and actually think is true.
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Even though I said it out loud and thought it
was true. Once upon a time, it's not about black
and white. It's about rich and poor, kind of right,
poor in the sense of the United States of America.
Once upon the time actually meant black. Literally, it's the
reason why black exists. Hey, those are the people who
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are supposed to be poor, supposed to be property, supposed
to be slaves, supposed to not have rights, are less
than human Black right now, there are more immigrants here
now from all places all over the world, and their experience,
even though not that of a heterosexual, Christian white man,
is still not that of a black person. So it
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does not become a contest of who has a harder
time here. But the very foundation of the country, the
United States of America, and the capitalist system that it employs,
both once upon a time were set up specifically for
black people to be on the worst end of every
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every decision that was being made with regards to housing, legislation, money, religion,
freedom of whatever right because us, as black Americans, read
that same Constitution, the same bills or rights, and have
to remember, they were not talking about us when they
wrote that stuff. None of it all men. Well, they
didn't consider us men, so they were not talking about us.
(24:37):
So you know, I've heard the conversation, and like I said,
I've even made that point myself. And this is because
when I was a young man, I went to the
RNC and met a bunch of black Republicans and I
was like, oh, I didn't even know this existed. I
never to that date. At that time, I was like
twenty two, I never met a black Republican. And then
I went to the National Convention. Thousands of black people
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and cool, nice, educated, down to earth, smart, wealthy and
unwealthy black people were there and really felt what they felt.
I did not agree, but I'm like, yo, A lot
of my ignorance came to the level at that convention
because I'm like, yo, these people are cool, So you
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can be black and Republican and cool, like this is possible, yes,
because once upon a time, Because once upon a time,
it was not several or separate factions of people. You
voted for who you voted for, and then the election
was over, so you went to school and to work
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and hung out and started relationships with and spent time
with and had friends that voted different from you. Because
I vote different from you didn't mean I hate you.
It didn't mean I want a worse life for you.
It just meant this is what I think will work
for me and my family. I hope, and if we
don't think those same things will work.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, gotten to a point where the things that you
think will work for your family are going to harm
my and you know it part of the part of
the campaign of your.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Candidate.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's based on the idea that they're going to make
life worse for me and my family. So it's not
like you don't know, and that's still how you cast
your vote. So it's a little bit different. So, yeah,
we cannot continue to pretend for some start to pretend
for others that the disparities here are not directly tied
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to the fact that the idea is for life to
be worse for black people. It always has been, and
even with the amount of progress that we've made, because
I have to acknowledge that there's been some not nearly enough,
because statistics like this are still real today.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, there's I want to just kind of piggyback
off the point you made. I've known black conservatives Republicans
in my life too, and often enough they're either not
just wealthy, but like business people, so not like wealthy
like athletes or actors or that sort of thing, because
typically those people still kind of feel the way that
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they feel, but people have kind of built it by
brick and understand a certain set of economic principles that
will allow them to continue to grow in their fiscal endeavors.
They're called fiscal conservatives, right again, don't I will never
vote that way. I do. I'm a sharer, It's just
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in my nature. I come from a huge family. I'm
very good with sharing. I don't need much to be happy.
But I understand how there are black people that can
end up in that space. And the rest are often
religious people like the God squad, you know what I mean.
And somehow conservatives have kind of gotten the They've become
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the party of Jesus in the Bible. Somehow, even though
a lot of what they stand on and a lot
of how to move really feels inconsistent with what Jesus
would have done, they have that.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Strategic in the way they've done that right. They've taken
you know, they've taken platform with things like abortion, right,
and when you call.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Murder, they tied it to God somehow.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
To something that God doesn't want.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And those who say that they believe in Him and
their mind must also stand with you, because hey, this
is the thing that God doesn't want, right, and that
one thing, they're letting gay people get married. God doesn't
like it. They're killing babies. God doesn't like it. So
when you position yourself like that, you put people in
a position where they have to say or they have
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to make a decision I can't support this and say
I'm a follower of Christ or a job of God,
and you manipulate them emotionally by using their deity against them.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So that's kind of where I've seen a lot of
the servative black folks in my time. And then and
as far as you know, these states we're talking again, Iowa, Minnesota,
and Wisconsin therese are all places that I've been to,
you know, and uh in Wyoming it's uh, that's another
(29:19):
one too. But anyway, at least for these uh, these
three states, it's it makes sense how challenging it is
for black people to get a foot of these This
is this is the part of the country where a
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lot of that is a lot of the infrastructure is
very h It's dominated by whiteness and white culture. And
and one of the things that surprised me that none
of these places are in like the South, right, and
I would have guessed it would have be in Mississippi,
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South Carolina, you know, places like that, or Alabama, Arkansas.
But those places are a lot more established and a
lot older, and so you might not like black people,
but you found a place for them in your world.
There's a hierarchy, you know, who to make eye contact with,
(30:23):
who not to make eye contact, if I had to guess.
And in these other places, it's not as old, and
so it's not as established and so.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, and these places are in the North, so you
have to realize these places had to become re racist. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Somehow people fled the South in the Confederacy to go
north to the Union, to places where slavery was outlawed
and black people were more welcome and accepted, but not
with numbers that weren't high enough. Because that's what happens.
You get there, it's not enough of you. You don't
determine governance, you don't determine policy. You just come to
this place that's friendlier.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You're not a slave anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, but eventually so does everyone else. Yeah, and they
get there and let's put back into place these things
that benefit us.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So to that point, you know, in terms of the disparities,
because I think that's what this study is really looking
at the gap between white success and black success. The
gap is wider in those places, I suspect because the
states in the in the Deep South are a lot
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of those states are really struggling in a lot of
areas that we really look at in terms of what
makes a successful society city state. You know, we're talking
about mortality rates, and we're talking about incarceration rates, drug abuse,
you know, all these things that we use to measure
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the health of a society. You know, how much money's
moving and so forth. And because those states in the
Deep South have a lot less than way of economic opportunity,
it's almost like everybody kind of suffers a little bit more.
And in these other states there's a little bit more
of a gap, and you see the stratification. There's white
folks at the top, black folks at the bottom. And
(32:12):
so there's another way of kind of examining how that
came together. Our last story for the day comes from
the La Times. Police officers is a good one. Police
officers cannot detain someone on the street just because that
person tries to avoid contact with them. The California Supreme
Court ruled Thursday The decision has immediate implications for police
officers working all across the state, restricting the grounds under
which they can stop and hold people for questioning. It
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could also affect the other litigation in which arrests are
being challenged, particularly when people of color allege they were
detained simply for trying to avoid police. Someone acting nervous
or attempting to conceal themselves can still be quote relative
context unquote for officers, but those actions alone do not
constitute reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. This according to Justice
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Carol Corrigan, as she wrote on the unanimous High Court decision. Now,
before we jump into it, there was some pushback from
the police. Of course, the police are saying, well, you
know where we usually where we sniff around, we find drugs,
we find guns, we find you know what I mean,
And we're getting drugs and guns off of the streets.
(33:19):
You know you don't want meth on the streets. Let
the police do their job, and the people that really
like having clean streets are going to continue to stand
in favor with our police. I'm, of course paraphrasing with
this with the police response to it was, but again,
the article is the article is up at the lot
of times if you want to check out the full thing.
But but yeah, so there's there's there's a little bit
(33:41):
of both sides there. Let's get your thoughts here.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Ramses has said on Civic Cipher before and probably on
this show as well, fight or flight is a natural
I want to make sure that I say this part properly.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It's a natural biological function of any creature with a
nervous system.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Once again, my brother can articulate things much better than
me in some cases. But that's the best cases possible
way to say that. Someone being aggressive towards you, especially
when you have no idea why, of course you're going
to react in the way that says, hey, don't touch, grab, harm,
(34:28):
hit or contain me. I don't know you. I did
not do anything to you or anyone else.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Me.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Not wanting you to grab me, handcuff me, sit on me,
kneel on me, put me in the back of your
car does not make me a criminal, just makes me
a living being. Someone randomly walking up to you and
being aggressive to you should be strange because they're wearing
a uniform should not change that. And often they are
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able to say thing like stop resisting, even when you're
not under arrest. Not resisting arrest, I'm resisting being held, grabbed, beat, slammed, punched,
stepped on, kneeled on, kicked, thrown, tossed, etc. By someone
who I should not be having an interaction with in
the first place, who I did nothing to, and I
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did nothing to no one else. So they are the aggressors,
and then you responding what they would consider negatively to
their aggression somehow criminalizes you and gives them permission to
become more aggressive and now finding a way to make
you criminal, to make you a violator of some sort.
And there are a lot of laws, as we've said before,
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that you might not even know about, that they can
accuse you of violating or coherse you into violating so
that they can now justify having assaulted you. It'll be very,
very interesting to see how this affects policing in La
County or I don't know if this is all over California.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I believe it's the California sprim pounds.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, so I'm curious to see what the outcomes will
be because we already know the reaction from police will
be negative.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, I am too and we'll keep monitoring it. Like
with all these stories and don't forget, you can find
these and more at biinnews dot com. Once again, i'd
like to thank you to Ward for coming on and
sharing your brilliance and your insight into these stories. Once again.
Today's guest is bi in Correspondent and the host of
Civic Cipher Q.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
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