May 8, 2025 • 27 mins
On today's podcast, Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward take a break form the heavy news and tackle the question that's gone viral about the winner of fight between 1 gorilla and 100 men.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast, and I'm
your host, Rams's Jah. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover everything that comes our way. But from time
to time, a story just stays with me and fill
compelled to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing. Okay, Normally on this show,
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we have to cover heavy subjects, we have to talk
to incredible people, we have to be right on the
cutting edge of things that help shape political outcomes and
advance let's say, a collective agenda for our people. But
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from time to time, we get to have a little
bit of fun and we get to participate in let's
call it a cultural moment. And today we are going
to participate in another such cultural moment. And I love
these and I know Q loves these two as they
come up, because I think it gets to show that
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we we get to show a little bit of range
and we get to have like a little bit more fun.
Because sometimes you know Q and I both famously Q
more than me. Sometimes we'll take work home with us, right,
And so whenever we get a chance to have a
little bit of fun, we like to do that. And
I know that we're a little late on this, and
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Q has no idea what I'm about to say. He's
looking at me like, what's going on here? But but
but I've been wanting to do this for some time,
and we got the green light from Chris. And because
again this is kind of a cultural moment, we're going
to have a conversation about whether or not one hundred
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men would win why in a gorilla right. So I've
been sitting on this for a while, but I wanted
to make sure that you and I were both in
the same you know, space, and we weren't encumbered by other,
you know, more pressing things that we need to cover.
And now is the time. So I know how I feel.
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But in order to make this a good episode, I
will take the op the opposing position from whatever you take.
But I would imagine that you have some thoughts on
this because this has been widely circulated online. This is
a question that has really, at least in the past,
you know, a couple of weeks, has really caught fire
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online and you know, we get a chance to weigh
in and hopefully bring some listeners on our hopefully intellectual
journey with us. So you know your first thoughts, what
do you think one hundred men? Do they walk away?
Or does the gorilla walk away?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, so the absolutely walks away?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, Okay, then I'm taking the outside and iant and
the truth is I actually agree. I think that the
hundred men walk away. But go ahead, you go first. No, you.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You go first.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You want me?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You have a much more compelling well, audience will be
more entertained and more enlightened by what you have to
say than by what I have to say on the
position that you actually have on this.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, to be fair, yeah, I have been kind of
thinking about this. But okay, so first off, this is
a deeply like it's fascinating because I think that a
lot of the people that I've seen online, particularly men
who overestimate their ability to to win a fight, they
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get put on full display for the rest of this
to see. And it's like, come on, man, really, because
there's guys out there like, yeah, just me and a
couple of my buddies can take on a gorilla and
and you could see the confidence and on on the
one hand, you admire that, but on the other hand,
you're like, Okay, well, this is why men don't live
that long, you know, relative to women. I suppose, right, right,
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you know. And and another part is that I don't
think that anyone has ever really stood in the presence
of a silver back. You know, these things are enormous
and they are all muscle, the whole the whole thing
is muscle, right, And human beings, to be fair, we're
very strong, you know, human males that pound for pound
were stronger than horses. But we're not even remotely close
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to as strong as even like chimpanzees and like smaller
like great apes. But a silver back, oh, it's a
very very different story. Right, So all that I'll see,
And and you know, I don't want to sound like
one of those guys that's like, yeah, man, you know,
the men are going to win that. But I I'm
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pretty confident after kind of going through this, that the
men would win. Now, I do understand the other side,
which is why I was willing to take the opposing
aside from whatever one you chose, but this is the
one that I do fall on. Now here's my thinking.
This is actually we get to have fun and laugh, man,
it's great. So here's what I think Okay, I learned
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this a long time ago about people. Okay, people are smart, right,
This is kind of the defining one of the defining
characteristics of human beings, Homo sapien sapiens relative to our
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you know, like chimps and great apes and so forth.
They still kind of use their hands to walk, and
we are bipedal us and birds, right, and I think
that's pretty much it around the world. But our brains, right, So,
how were we able to thrive and become so successful
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on this planet? While the story goes is that, you know,
we're not the strongest, we're not the fastest beast out
there in Africa, we're not the you know whatever, but
we are the smartest, and we cooperate exceptionally well, right,
and we have endurance. Right, And so when you take
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all of that into account, that we are more intelligent,
so we can organize and strategize in a way that
gives us an advantage. Okay, we don't. We don't. We
don't reach the point of exhaustion as quickly as other
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animals do. Like that, we sweat, We have sweat glands
all over our body. We you know, we we can
kind of stay in the race, you know, early hunters,
early early men, human beings. We would not chase down
our prey because our prey was always faster than us.
But we would just kind of hunt it for a
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long period of time until it could not run anymore
and it was exhausted, and then we just walked up
on it because it was exhausted. They get exhausted, right,
So this was our early hunting strategy, right, and we
didn't get exhausted. And of course the cooperation part as
I mentioned, So one hundred men and a gorilla, well
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working like one at a time, one hundred men in
a row, no chance a grilla is just swatting us
left and right. The girl has rip us apart. It's
not even kind of close, right, But all of us
running at the gorilla the same time, and you know,
a couple guys grab an arm, a couple guys grab
a leg, A couple other guys grab the other arm,
maybe one or two grab a neck. You know, you
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might end up with some people that are hurt. Some
people might not make it. You know, I'll let you
jump in because I see you champing at the bid
over there. But my thinking is that eventually the numbers
will overwhelm this this animal because you know, again, gorillas
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are freakishly strong, but that doesn't make men weak. And
if there's a hundred of them and they're organized in
the right way, you can just hold on to a
gorilla long enough to where it becomes exhausted. Right, And
if everyone knows their role, Okay, all you guys, you're
going to be the arm guys, and you guys are
going to be the leg guys. And once this thing
is tired, then we're going to overwhelm it and we're gonna,
you know, in the fight in that way, and then
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the rest of us get to walk away, right, and
the gorilla doesn't. Critically, then I think that's how that
story goes, at least in my mind. And this is
I just I'm basing it off the sciences, is not ego,
this is not you know, any of that sort of thing.
I certainly don't want to be in that fight, but
that's where I've arrived, and once I got there, I
couldn't see it any other way. So as I continue
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to see this build, this whole phenomenon build on social media,
I just kind of knew that it was like all
these people are like, man, you know, of course a
gorilla would win. And I'm like, how do you guys?
See do you know how many one hundred mines? You know?
They don't have to be trained fighters. They just have
to be smart. They don't have to be you know whatever.
Because these are all the kind of the parameters of
this thought experiment. So that's my thinking. In short, you
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say your piece, and then if there's anything to go
back and forth about, will do that.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
First of all, I love hearing you pronounce the word
gorilla as gorilla.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh is that my saying?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yes, Sam, you're right itself beautiful thing that you do.
You're And the ironic thing about listening to your point
of view on this is that not only are we
we're arguing opposite points, but we're using the same reasoning
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every other person that I've had that I've listened to
have this conversation. It's about strong versus less strong. My
reasoning is spotted on with yours. I just don't agree
with you, Okay. That's because as intelligent as we are,
we're actually awful at cooperating when it's strength. Like a
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team of men that have always been on a team,
and that know way and trust each other.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Sure, yeah, I see you look at the random bro.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Like the the idea that we cooperate well is unfounded.
I mean, we go against our own best interest as
long as we think it'll hurt somebody else, like so
it's it's It shows how much alike we are that
both of us are arguing a position from this like
reasoning thing and not the brute strength, because I think
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the brute strength is not even it's not even a discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I think a gorilla would beat men with men like using.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like, oh that's so visual.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Using men as like nunchuck like like, but I think, like.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't have anything Michaelangelo, get it. Yeah, I think
a gorilla with Michael Angelo men with men just on
the brute strength. But my position, very very similar to yours,
was not a brute strength argument. We were using the
same logic. I just disagree that we would use our
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advantages because I do think all the advantages that you
pointed out are true.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Like, I agree with you that we have those advantages.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Don't think we take advantage of them because men over
time have shown Okay, so for some of that hundred
because this is random men, this isn't like gather one
hundred of the best fighters, or yeah, gather one hundred
NFL players, or gather UFC's top hundred and take them. No,
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this is one hundred random men. I've seen how men
react to strong men. MM, Like, if Mike Tyson walked
in here right now, artist dude gets scared of them,
be scared. Yeah, if a silverback walked in, all one hundred.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Of those men are not even going to participate.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Sure, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
So if there's a percentage of them that we're going
to lose to fear, then they're going to be a
percentage of them that are just fine with sacrificing some
of the other men if it means they might survive.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So then that's part of our group that's gone.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
There are some that will be brave, but like you
pointed out earlier, have big egos and they think I'm men,
I'm strong. They won't even listen to the brilliant strategy
that just.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Came up with.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
They don't want to hear it. If they strong, let
me add to that, let me let me help you themselves, Please,
let me help you make your point right here?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I think I've heard it. This is recent, but I've
heard it, and I don't think it had anything to
do with this thought experiment that we're talking about. But
men overestimate their ability to fight by like four hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I can't fight.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I suspect that that might be true of all of us,
not just certain racists, certain cultures, like all of us.
I think that, and I think that's a good thing,
because we need to be brave in order to a
lot of times fights can be avoided by by saying that,
by by by stepping out with that bravery.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Look, I'm ready, you know what I mean. But but
the fact is that gorillas don't speak English. I never
felt what it did, so that bravery, it just gets
you nunchucked. Right, So anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I love gorillas don't speak English because yeah, you might
come out and talk your best pre fight speak.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
For Compton gorilla from Wakanda.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's a different right, Listen, bam, how it's some men
that you will scare them? Yeah, with just that dog
silver back. Don't care where you're from. Fam, No, he
don't care what set you claim, none of that. You
don't care how many brothers you got don't.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Care how many other men you've whipped. He don't care. Yeah,
how long he was in Like, none of that matters.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So aside from.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
The fact that a gorilla could none chuck other men
into other men.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
There's just so many other factors.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I think a lot of the men that were there
with us, I'm gonna put you and I in this
would punk out.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
A bunch wouldn't listen. A bunch can't fight.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, even the ones that's tough and from Compton and
from Thereat and from Brooklyn can't fight.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We don't have no weapons, so you're just talking about
bare handedness. Some that was ready to go at the
beginning have now watched twenty of the original one hundred
that charge in grown vanquished from Earth.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So I just think at some point you no longer
have one hundred. So many of that hundred are not capable.
Some as intelligent as they are, will not cooperate. I
just I unfortunately don't have faith and our ability to
work as a team for long enough for our benefits
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or I'm sorry, our us having the higher intelligence and
ability of cooperation to actually benefit us. Okay, well, but yeah,
I'm I'm very very pleased that my brother and I
were approaching this from the same mental space. Even though
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we reached different points for different reasons, the logic that
we use to reach our point was very very much
aligned because neither one of us was thinking about out
what sets you claim and who you win.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's so funny because well, that's what I associate with,
like fighting, you know what I mean, like a street fight.
You know, I'm not a you know the you know,
I didn't grow up around fighting or whatever, and so
you know the fights that I did witness store either
schoolyard fights or street fights, right, and it is a
lot of that, you know, talking and people talking. Then
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they someone will they'll either wrestle around on the ground.
It ends up on the ground very quickly, or people
will get like jumped or like knocked out really fast.
Like fights don't last a long time like how you
think they would in movies, you know what I mean.
And I'm I know I'm preaching acquire. Everyone's seen fights
and knows full well, but you know, you look at
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social media and you kind of get more of a
sense of like fights now a brawl, a melee. Of course,
those last a lot longer, but two men fighting, it
doesn't last a long time like how it does. Like
I said, in action movies where they're just going at
it for three minutes. No people are exact exhausted after
like throwing four or five punches because they put all
of their weight and all of their energy into those
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four or five punches and they can't breathe. They can't.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Those four or five punches were supposed to end the fight, right,
and we don't connect.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You left your tea.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I know I left my tea. Then you already gave
it all.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You gave it everything you got, right, So you haven't
been training for no fight, right, You definitely haven't been
training for a fight with a silver back. Yeah, okay,
that's that's fair. But again I maintain that again, if
I guess, I guess this is this is conditional, right,
So you're right, Throw a bunch of dudes that never
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met each other into a room and there's a gorilla
in the middle, and there's a sign on the wall
that says, you know, defeat the gorilla. Everybody's going to
look around like, yo, that's your problem. I don't even
know why I'm here, right, So if that's the circumstances,
then sure, maybe the gorilla wins that he goes through
and knocks everybody out and you just wait, you'll turn
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because no, there's no cooperation. But if you are given
at least the instruction and you have a moment to strategize, like, okay,
so we got to go in here, y'all, we gotta
fight this gorilla. So just grab on. We don't got
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no weapon, just grab onto something you can grab onto.
Let's all wait until he gets tired, and then we
can overwhelm them with force and go from there. If
you don't have enough time to get that off, and
a good amount of I guess men that are willing
to actually be brave that those men that do overestimate
their capacity to take on gorillas or whatever. You know,
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if you if you can get that often, then you know,
I think that one hundred men, you got a chat,
because one hundred that's a lot of people. And as
I mentioned, animals, they're not endurance performers the way that
we are. We're optimized for endurance. And when an animal
gets exhausted, it can't do anymore. And then again you
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just walk up and poke it with your stick. This
is how we used to hunt and gather.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
But there's sticks.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, but that's that's a different analogy, but that's how
we would it would be it couldn't fight back. So
back in the day when we were still like you know,
first evolving and doing the hunter gatherer thing, we would
have sticks and we could walk up and just poke
an animal. We didn't have to chase it and throw
sticks or whatever. And so conceivably, in this thought experiment,
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once the gorilla gets you know, tired or exhausted or whatever,
we could just go up and however, you in the
life of a gorilla, I don't know, choke it, you know,
or poke its eyes out or whatever. You know, it
wouldn't be able to fight back. This is mogaz It
is crazy. Well, I don't I don't know, you're I mean,
if it's a fight to the death, you're going to
figure out the best way to incapacitate the gorilla and whatever.
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I don't know. But there's there's ways that if you
apply a modicum of intelligence, that you could strategize. As
I mentioned, and you know, one hundred people, there's a
lot of people. If they all are dead set on
taking a gorilla off the set or really anything they could,
they could do it. You know, you wouldn't think a
lion could kill an elephant. But one time I saw
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a video and there was a pride of lions and
they took down an elphe like a big one. I
was like, oh my god, and they don't even really
eat those things, but I saw it happen. It was
a video, and they just they took them hours, but
eventually they got that elephant down. They kept scratching and
clawing and biting at it and long enough and it
flopped over and then they started eating them.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I think one hundred hunter gatherers could beat it, have
a better shot. I think one hundred today people no,
not a shot, right, because a pride of lions, they
stay ready. Our existence is on the cooperation with each other.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
They're a symbiotic group. Collaboration is that's their whole.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We are very listen some black people that I know,
and it's crazy these conversations coming back to where we
are as a country today and the whole political sphere.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Black people that I know sent me some Trump policy
today that they agreed with.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Like for some of us, I don't even have to
be specific about which piece of legislation I'm talking about
for you to be like what but and it was heartbreaking,
not because it was some super super evil piece of legislation,
but he's proposing getting rid of programs to help to
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help people pay their rent, like Section eight and rent assistance,
And these black people were arguing, like, yeah, this will
make people get up off their button get a job.
Why they were able to be put on that side
of the argument or the whole welfare queen thing is
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something that we are now subscribing to when less than
one percent of people that are on Section eight because
people think that a lot of people are defrauding.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Section eight and refuse to get a job.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Seventy five percent of the people receiving Section eight are
under the poverty line, regardless of the fact that they
work national minimum wages like seven dollars. That's fifteen thousand
dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
As a people, we don't really care much about each
other anymore. Bro So one hundred people today, it's a
gorilla over there, and we got to be together to
beat this gorilla. I I don't know, because that's not
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really how we get down.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Your point is well made and again I think that,
and I guess and the most optimal that's.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That over there they closer to the grillas. So that's
really their problem.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, I see what, I see your point. Your point
is over.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Here in the back. Actually a door right here, we.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Can just go. It's gonna be ninety nine if I
can get through this door, because I am not the one.
But oh yeah, get.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
More bounced to the house, much more bounce, much more bounce,
Like all right, well, I don't know about one hundred
today men.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, okay, that's fair. Well, and you know.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Girls there, so they're not trying to impress the girls.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That will motivate you. Yeah, sure, I don't know, but
but yeah, okay, well those are my thoughts. Uh, you know,
I I I stand by my original assessment, but I
will add, given this insight, that you've provided the caveat
of optimal circumstances where again you get a chance to pregame.
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You know, you know, you're not just thrown into a
room and survive, you know, and it's nothing like that.
I think that, you know, folks might have a shot
at getting out of there. But yeah, I think that, Yeah,
if they're just kind of flung into a room and
just like, hey, figure it out that we might see
kind of the every man for himself type of mentality
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prevail and everyone to lose. So I could I could
see that happening too. So that's that's really our thoughts.
And and you know, I don't know how much further
we can go with that, but I do know that
if we get some some interesting feedback that we know,
we might be able to either say we are right,
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maybe we're wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
If we ended up amongst that hundred.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Oh no, I mean, I'm I got, I got. I
can't do that. I can't get jiggy with no.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But I know what you would say if if he
looked around and amongst the hundred was me and you,
Ram would turn to the whole room of one hundred
men and exclaim, let's jumpy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
For those of would be obvious, that would be whole strategy.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Hey that's chumpy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Oh that's that's that's very that's a very very much
an inside joke. But for fans of the movie Friday,
if you can hear that in in Chris Tucker's voice
when he was playing Smokey when they were talking about
Debo yeah, exactly. So that's where that comes from. And
it's just kind of been an inside joke, you know,
for me and you for a long time. Whenever we
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have a problem, it's like, man, let's jump himself. Anyway.
Now it's time for you to let us know how
you feel. Maybe one hundred men win, maybe a gorilla wins.
Something fun, something easy.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
We can jump everybody to young man, listen, let teamwork, teamwork,
make the dream work right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Let's jump so it don't matter.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It don't matter what problems I bring to my brother man.
The solution in his mind is, man, let's jumpy. You
don't got to be more who I'm talking about? Oh
my goodness, man, oh man.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, I'll tell you what. Reach out to us. Let
us know what you think. Use the red microphone, talk
back fature on the iHeartRadio app, or you can hit
me on social media at rams.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
As joh I am q Ward on a social media
as well.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Let us know what you think, and until we hear
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This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast, and I'm
your host, Rams's Jah. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover everything that comes our way. But from time
to time, a story just stays with me and fill
compelled to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing. Okay, Normally on this show,
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we have to cover heavy subjects, we have to talk
to incredible people, we have to be right on the
cutting edge of things that help shape political outcomes and
advance let's say, a collective agenda for our people. But
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from time to time, we get to have a little
bit of fun and we get to participate in let's
call it a cultural moment. And today we are going
to participate in another such cultural moment. And I love
these and I know Q loves these two as they
come up, because I think it gets to show that
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we we get to show a little bit of range
and we get to have like a little bit more fun.
Because sometimes you know Q and I both famously Q
more than me. Sometimes we'll take work home with us, right,
And so whenever we get a chance to have a
little bit of fun, we like to do that. And
I know that we're a little late on this, and
(01:33):
Q has no idea what I'm about to say. He's
looking at me like, what's going on here? But but
but I've been wanting to do this for some time,
and we got the green light from Chris. And because
again this is kind of a cultural moment, we're going
to have a conversation about whether or not one hundred
(01:56):
men would win why in a gorilla right. So I've
been sitting on this for a while, but I wanted
to make sure that you and I were both in
the same you know, space, and we weren't encumbered by other,
you know, more pressing things that we need to cover.
And now is the time. So I know how I feel.
(02:19):
But in order to make this a good episode, I
will take the op the opposing position from whatever you take.
But I would imagine that you have some thoughts on
this because this has been widely circulated online. This is
a question that has really, at least in the past,
you know, a couple of weeks, has really caught fire
(02:40):
online and you know, we get a chance to weigh
in and hopefully bring some listeners on our hopefully intellectual
journey with us. So you know your first thoughts, what
do you think one hundred men? Do they walk away?
Or does the gorilla walk away?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, so the absolutely walks away?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, Okay, then I'm taking the outside and iant and
the truth is I actually agree. I think that the
hundred men walk away. But go ahead, you go first. No, you.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You go first.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You want me?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You have a much more compelling well, audience will be
more entertained and more enlightened by what you have to
say than by what I have to say on the
position that you actually have on this.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, to be fair, yeah, I have been kind of
thinking about this. But okay, so first off, this is
a deeply like it's fascinating because I think that a
lot of the people that I've seen online, particularly men
who overestimate their ability to to win a fight, they
(03:53):
get put on full display for the rest of this
to see. And it's like, come on, man, really, because
there's guys out there like, yeah, just me and a
couple of my buddies can take on a gorilla and
and you could see the confidence and on on the
one hand, you admire that, but on the other hand,
you're like, Okay, well, this is why men don't live
that long, you know, relative to women. I suppose, right, right,
(04:18):
you know. And and another part is that I don't
think that anyone has ever really stood in the presence
of a silver back. You know, these things are enormous
and they are all muscle, the whole the whole thing
is muscle, right, And human beings, to be fair, we're
very strong, you know, human males that pound for pound
were stronger than horses. But we're not even remotely close
(04:39):
to as strong as even like chimpanzees and like smaller
like great apes. But a silver back, oh, it's a
very very different story. Right, So all that I'll see,
And and you know, I don't want to sound like
one of those guys that's like, yeah, man, you know,
the men are going to win that. But I I'm
(05:00):
pretty confident after kind of going through this, that the
men would win. Now, I do understand the other side,
which is why I was willing to take the opposing
aside from whatever one you chose, but this is the
one that I do fall on. Now here's my thinking.
This is actually we get to have fun and laugh, man,
it's great. So here's what I think Okay, I learned
(05:21):
this a long time ago about people. Okay, people are smart, right,
This is kind of the defining one of the defining
characteristics of human beings, Homo sapien sapiens relative to our
(05:42):
you know, like chimps and great apes and so forth.
They still kind of use their hands to walk, and
we are bipedal us and birds, right, and I think
that's pretty much it around the world. But our brains, right, So,
how were we able to thrive and become so successful
(06:03):
on this planet? While the story goes is that, you know,
we're not the strongest, we're not the fastest beast out
there in Africa, we're not the you know whatever, but
we are the smartest, and we cooperate exceptionally well, right,
and we have endurance. Right, And so when you take
(06:23):
all of that into account, that we are more intelligent,
so we can organize and strategize in a way that
gives us an advantage. Okay, we don't. We don't. We
don't reach the point of exhaustion as quickly as other
(06:44):
animals do. Like that, we sweat, We have sweat glands
all over our body. We you know, we we can
kind of stay in the race, you know, early hunters,
early early men, human beings. We would not chase down
our prey because our prey was always faster than us.
But we would just kind of hunt it for a
(07:07):
long period of time until it could not run anymore
and it was exhausted, and then we just walked up
on it because it was exhausted. They get exhausted, right,
So this was our early hunting strategy, right, and we
didn't get exhausted. And of course the cooperation part as
I mentioned, So one hundred men and a gorilla, well
(07:28):
working like one at a time, one hundred men in
a row, no chance a grilla is just swatting us
left and right. The girl has rip us apart. It's
not even kind of close, right, But all of us
running at the gorilla the same time, and you know,
a couple guys grab an arm, a couple guys grab
a leg, A couple other guys grab the other arm,
maybe one or two grab a neck. You know, you
(07:50):
might end up with some people that are hurt. Some
people might not make it. You know, I'll let you
jump in because I see you champing at the bid
over there. But my thinking is that eventually the numbers
will overwhelm this this animal because you know, again, gorillas
(08:11):
are freakishly strong, but that doesn't make men weak. And
if there's a hundred of them and they're organized in
the right way, you can just hold on to a
gorilla long enough to where it becomes exhausted. Right, And
if everyone knows their role, Okay, all you guys, you're
going to be the arm guys, and you guys are
going to be the leg guys. And once this thing
is tired, then we're going to overwhelm it and we're gonna,
you know, in the fight in that way, and then
(08:34):
the rest of us get to walk away, right, and
the gorilla doesn't. Critically, then I think that's how that
story goes, at least in my mind. And this is
I just I'm basing it off the sciences, is not ego,
this is not you know, any of that sort of thing.
I certainly don't want to be in that fight, but
that's where I've arrived, and once I got there, I
couldn't see it any other way. So as I continue
(08:54):
to see this build, this whole phenomenon build on social media,
I just kind of knew that it was like all
these people are like, man, you know, of course a
gorilla would win. And I'm like, how do you guys?
See do you know how many one hundred mines? You know?
They don't have to be trained fighters. They just have
to be smart. They don't have to be you know whatever.
Because these are all the kind of the parameters of
this thought experiment. So that's my thinking. In short, you
(09:17):
say your piece, and then if there's anything to go
back and forth about, will do that.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
First of all, I love hearing you pronounce the word
gorilla as gorilla.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh is that my saying?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yes, Sam, you're right itself beautiful thing that you do.
You're And the ironic thing about listening to your point
of view on this is that not only are we
we're arguing opposite points, but we're using the same reasoning
(09:48):
every other person that I've had that I've listened to
have this conversation. It's about strong versus less strong. My
reasoning is spotted on with yours. I just don't agree
with you, Okay. That's because as intelligent as we are,
we're actually awful at cooperating when it's strength. Like a
(10:12):
team of men that have always been on a team,
and that know way and trust each other.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Sure, yeah, I see you look at the random bro.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Like the the idea that we cooperate well is unfounded.
I mean, we go against our own best interest as
long as we think it'll hurt somebody else, like so
it's it's It shows how much alike we are that
both of us are arguing a position from this like
reasoning thing and not the brute strength, because I think
(10:42):
the brute strength is not even it's not even a discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I think a gorilla would beat men with men like using.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like, oh that's so visual.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Using men as like nunchuck like like, but I think, like.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't have anything Michaelangelo, get it. Yeah, I think
a gorilla with Michael Angelo men with men just on
the brute strength. But my position, very very similar to yours,
was not a brute strength argument. We were using the
same logic. I just disagree that we would use our
(11:28):
advantages because I do think all the advantages that you
pointed out are true.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Like, I agree with you that we have those advantages.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Don't think we take advantage of them because men over
time have shown Okay, so for some of that hundred
because this is random men, this isn't like gather one
hundred of the best fighters, or yeah, gather one hundred
NFL players, or gather UFC's top hundred and take them. No,
(11:57):
this is one hundred random men. I've seen how men
react to strong men. MM, Like, if Mike Tyson walked
in here right now, artist dude gets scared of them,
be scared. Yeah, if a silverback walked in, all one hundred.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Of those men are not even going to participate.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Sure, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
So if there's a percentage of them that we're going
to lose to fear, then they're going to be a
percentage of them that are just fine with sacrificing some
of the other men if it means they might survive.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So then that's part of our group that's gone.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
There are some that will be brave, but like you
pointed out earlier, have big egos and they think I'm men,
I'm strong. They won't even listen to the brilliant strategy
that just.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Came up with.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
They don't want to hear it. If they strong, let
me add to that, let me let me help you themselves, Please,
let me help you make your point right here?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I think I've heard it. This is recent, but I've
heard it, and I don't think it had anything to
do with this thought experiment that we're talking about. But
men overestimate their ability to fight by like four hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I can't fight.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I suspect that that might be true of all of us,
not just certain racists, certain cultures, like all of us.
I think that, and I think that's a good thing,
because we need to be brave in order to a
lot of times fights can be avoided by by saying that,
by by by stepping out with that bravery.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Look, I'm ready, you know what I mean. But but
the fact is that gorillas don't speak English. I never
felt what it did, so that bravery, it just gets
you nunchucked. Right, So anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I love gorillas don't speak English because yeah, you might
come out and talk your best pre fight speak.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
For Compton gorilla from Wakanda.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's a different right, Listen, bam, how it's some men
that you will scare them? Yeah, with just that dog
silver back. Don't care where you're from. Fam, No, he
don't care what set you claim, none of that. You
don't care how many brothers you got don't.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Care how many other men you've whipped. He don't care. Yeah,
how long he was in Like, none of that matters.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So aside from.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
The fact that a gorilla could none chuck other men
into other men.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
There's just so many other factors.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I think a lot of the men that were there
with us, I'm gonna put you and I in this
would punk out.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
A bunch wouldn't listen. A bunch can't fight.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, even the ones that's tough and from Compton and
from Thereat and from Brooklyn can't fight.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We don't have no weapons, so you're just talking about
bare handedness. Some that was ready to go at the
beginning have now watched twenty of the original one hundred
that charge in grown vanquished from Earth.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So I just think at some point you no longer
have one hundred. So many of that hundred are not capable.
Some as intelligent as they are, will not cooperate. I
just I unfortunately don't have faith and our ability to
work as a team for long enough for our benefits
(15:29):
or I'm sorry, our us having the higher intelligence and
ability of cooperation to actually benefit us. Okay, well, but yeah,
I'm I'm very very pleased that my brother and I
were approaching this from the same mental space. Even though
(15:51):
we reached different points for different reasons, the logic that
we use to reach our point was very very much
aligned because neither one of us was thinking about out
what sets you claim and who you win.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's so funny because well, that's what I associate with,
like fighting, you know what I mean, like a street fight.
You know, I'm not a you know the you know,
I didn't grow up around fighting or whatever, and so
you know the fights that I did witness store either
schoolyard fights or street fights, right, and it is a
lot of that, you know, talking and people talking. Then
(16:24):
they someone will they'll either wrestle around on the ground.
It ends up on the ground very quickly, or people
will get like jumped or like knocked out really fast.
Like fights don't last a long time like how you
think they would in movies, you know what I mean.
And I'm I know I'm preaching acquire. Everyone's seen fights
and knows full well, but you know, you look at
(16:44):
social media and you kind of get more of a
sense of like fights now a brawl, a melee. Of course,
those last a lot longer, but two men fighting, it
doesn't last a long time like how it does. Like
I said, in action movies where they're just going at
it for three minutes. No people are exact exhausted after
like throwing four or five punches because they put all
of their weight and all of their energy into those
(17:06):
four or five punches and they can't breathe. They can't.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Those four or five punches were supposed to end the fight, right,
and we don't connect.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You left your tea.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I know I left my tea. Then you already gave
it all.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You gave it everything you got, right, So you haven't
been training for no fight, right, You definitely haven't been
training for a fight with a silver back. Yeah, okay,
that's that's fair. But again I maintain that again, if
I guess, I guess this is this is conditional, right,
So you're right, Throw a bunch of dudes that never
(17:40):
met each other into a room and there's a gorilla
in the middle, and there's a sign on the wall
that says, you know, defeat the gorilla. Everybody's going to
look around like, yo, that's your problem. I don't even
know why I'm here, right, So if that's the circumstances,
then sure, maybe the gorilla wins that he goes through
and knocks everybody out and you just wait, you'll turn
(18:00):
because no, there's no cooperation. But if you are given
at least the instruction and you have a moment to strategize, like, okay,
so we got to go in here, y'all, we gotta
fight this gorilla. So just grab on. We don't got
(18:22):
no weapon, just grab onto something you can grab onto.
Let's all wait until he gets tired, and then we
can overwhelm them with force and go from there. If
you don't have enough time to get that off, and
a good amount of I guess men that are willing
to actually be brave that those men that do overestimate
their capacity to take on gorillas or whatever. You know,
(18:43):
if you if you can get that often, then you know,
I think that one hundred men, you got a chat,
because one hundred that's a lot of people. And as
I mentioned, animals, they're not endurance performers the way that
we are. We're optimized for endurance. And when an animal
gets exhausted, it can't do anymore. And then again you
(19:03):
just walk up and poke it with your stick. This
is how we used to hunt and gather.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
But there's sticks.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, but that's that's a different analogy, but that's how
we would it would be it couldn't fight back. So
back in the day when we were still like you know,
first evolving and doing the hunter gatherer thing, we would
have sticks and we could walk up and just poke
an animal. We didn't have to chase it and throw
sticks or whatever. And so conceivably, in this thought experiment,
(19:30):
once the gorilla gets you know, tired or exhausted or whatever,
we could just go up and however, you in the
life of a gorilla, I don't know, choke it, you know,
or poke its eyes out or whatever. You know, it
wouldn't be able to fight back. This is mogaz It
is crazy. Well, I don't I don't know, you're I mean,
if it's a fight to the death, you're going to
figure out the best way to incapacitate the gorilla and whatever.
(19:51):
I don't know. But there's there's ways that if you
apply a modicum of intelligence, that you could strategize. As
I mentioned, and you know, one hundred people, there's a
lot of people. If they all are dead set on
taking a gorilla off the set or really anything they could,
they could do it. You know, you wouldn't think a
lion could kill an elephant. But one time I saw
(20:14):
a video and there was a pride of lions and
they took down an elphe like a big one. I
was like, oh my god, and they don't even really
eat those things, but I saw it happen. It was
a video, and they just they took them hours, but
eventually they got that elephant down. They kept scratching and
clawing and biting at it and long enough and it
flopped over and then they started eating them.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I think one hundred hunter gatherers could beat it, have
a better shot. I think one hundred today people no,
not a shot, right, because a pride of lions, they
stay ready. Our existence is on the cooperation with each other.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
They're a symbiotic group. Collaboration is that's their whole.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We are very listen some black people that I know,
and it's crazy these conversations coming back to where we
are as a country today and the whole political sphere.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Black people that I know sent me some Trump policy
today that they agreed with.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Like for some of us, I don't even have to
be specific about which piece of legislation I'm talking about
for you to be like what but and it was heartbreaking,
not because it was some super super evil piece of legislation,
but he's proposing getting rid of programs to help to
(21:43):
help people pay their rent, like Section eight and rent assistance,
And these black people were arguing, like, yeah, this will
make people get up off their button get a job.
Why they were able to be put on that side
of the argument or the whole welfare queen thing is
(22:05):
something that we are now subscribing to when less than
one percent of people that are on Section eight because
people think that a lot of people are defrauding.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Section eight and refuse to get a job.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Seventy five percent of the people receiving Section eight are
under the poverty line, regardless of the fact that they
work national minimum wages like seven dollars. That's fifteen thousand
dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
As a people, we don't really care much about each
other anymore. Bro So one hundred people today, it's a
gorilla over there, and we got to be together to
beat this gorilla. I I don't know, because that's not
(22:54):
really how we get down.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Your point is well made and again I think that,
and I guess and the most optimal that's.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That over there they closer to the grillas. So that's
really their problem.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, I see what, I see your point. Your point
is over.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Here in the back. Actually a door right here, we.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Can just go. It's gonna be ninety nine if I
can get through this door, because I am not the one.
But oh yeah, get.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
More bounced to the house, much more bounce, much more bounce,
Like all right, well, I don't know about one hundred
today men.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, okay, that's fair. Well, and you know.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Girls there, so they're not trying to impress the girls.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That will motivate you. Yeah, sure, I don't know, but
but yeah, okay, well those are my thoughts. Uh, you know,
I I I stand by my original assessment, but I
will add, given this insight, that you've provided the caveat
of optimal circumstances where again you get a chance to pregame.
(24:10):
You know, you know, you're not just thrown into a
room and survive, you know, and it's nothing like that.
I think that, you know, folks might have a shot
at getting out of there. But yeah, I think that, Yeah,
if they're just kind of flung into a room and
just like, hey, figure it out that we might see
kind of the every man for himself type of mentality
(24:33):
prevail and everyone to lose. So I could I could
see that happening too. So that's that's really our thoughts.
And and you know, I don't know how much further
we can go with that, but I do know that
if we get some some interesting feedback that we know,
we might be able to either say we are right,
(24:53):
maybe we're wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
If we ended up amongst that hundred.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Oh no, I mean, I'm I got, I got. I
can't do that. I can't get jiggy with no.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But I know what you would say if if he
looked around and amongst the hundred was me and you,
Ram would turn to the whole room of one hundred
men and exclaim, let's jumpy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
For those of would be obvious, that would be whole strategy.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Hey that's chumpy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Oh that's that's that's very that's a very very much
an inside joke. But for fans of the movie Friday,
if you can hear that in in Chris Tucker's voice
when he was playing Smokey when they were talking about
Debo yeah, exactly. So that's where that comes from. And
it's just kind of been an inside joke, you know,
for me and you for a long time. Whenever we
(25:56):
have a problem, it's like, man, let's jump himself. Anyway.
Now it's time for you to let us know how
you feel. Maybe one hundred men win, maybe a gorilla wins.
Something fun, something easy.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
We can jump everybody to young man, listen, let teamwork, teamwork,
make the dream work right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Let's jump so it don't matter.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It don't matter what problems I bring to my brother man.
The solution in his mind is, man, let's jumpy. You
don't got to be more who I'm talking about? Oh
my goodness, man, oh man.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, I'll tell you what. Reach out to us. Let
us know what you think. Use the red microphone, talk
back fature on the iHeartRadio app, or you can hit
me on social media at rams.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
As joh I am q Ward on a social media
as well.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Let us know what you think, and until we hear
from you, let's jump me. This has been a production
of the Black Information Network. Today's show is produced by
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