May 9, 2024 • 16 mins
On today's podcast, we are thrilled to welcome Candice C. Jones, President and CEO of the Public Welfare Foundation. On Part 1 of this two part discussion, Candice shares her background and the mission for the Public Welfare Foundation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Public Welfare Foundation bolsters the advancement of justice and
increased opportunity for those in need. These efforts are based
on the Foundation's core values of racial equity, economic well being,
and fairness for all. The Foundation searches for strategic opportunities
where its funds can make a difference and improve people's
lives through policy and system reform that culminates in transformative change.
(00:24):
The Public Welfare Foundation is the only foundation and first
in the nation to specifically focus on adult, criminal and
youth justice reform. Candice C. Jones joined the Public Welfare
Foundation in Washington, d C. As its President and CEO
in twenty seventeen, as the youngest woman of color to
run a national foundation. Under her leadership, the PWF is
(00:46):
supporting efforts to advance justice and opportunities through grant making
and other areas, with a primary focus on adult and
youth justice. And she is our guests today. This is
the Black Information at Work Daily podcast and I'm your host,
Ramsey Jah. All right, Candice C. Jones, Welcome to this show.
(01:07):
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm doing good. Rams. This is good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Listen. I think the pleasure is online indeed, you are
a vision and I am very excited to have this
conversation with you. Obviously, I've been doing a little bit
of reading about the work that you're doing, and I
think you're just a phenomenal person. So again, pleasure is mine.
It is indeed very good to see you today. So
let's uh, let's let's start at the beginning. That's that's
(01:35):
what we typically do here on the show. Give us
a little bit about your background. Obviously, you know, our
listeners know, you know what I was able to read
to them just now. But tell us a little bit
more about you know, how you grew up, uh, you know,
and and really what led you to the career path
that you're on today.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, I love that. All of a sudden, I hear
Sam cooking my head. I was bold, you know. I
was born and raised in Chicago on the West Side,
in the community of Austin. And it's interesting to me
because people sometimes say, oh, how did you you know,
how did you arrive at this work? And I always say,
this work chose me. You know, I came up. I
(02:14):
was born in the late seventies, growing up in the
eighties on the West Side of Chicago. I very much
lived in one of those communities that was a target
for the War on drugs, and I just even before
I had words or not, because as a little kid,
you don't you know, you don't know what's going on,
but you can feel, you know. I had big family,
(02:35):
big black family on the West side of Chicago. All
of a sudden, I had all my male cousins, they
hit teenage, they're just sort of disappearing. What happened to
such and such. Oh he's going away for a little while,
he'll be back. And what I came to understand was
sort of the devastating impact on that war on drugs,
the criminal justice system on our community. And so it
(02:56):
just sort of got wrapped up in that early on
when on to big public black high school, just sort
of understood how even as a young person, I was like,
I wonder if they're doing this to kids on the
North Side, Like I wonder if they are, you know,
having dog searches in their high school and they're treating
them the same way. And that sort of fueled this
(03:17):
idea of fairness justice and was the reason that I
went to law school and wanted to focus on this work.
So I knew from a little little this is what
I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Okay, I think that's fantastic. It's always kind of inspirational
when there's a person that is kind of walking in
their purpose and it has been their purpose their whole
life and they're committed, and so I think that that's
kind of what I was picking up when I was
kind of doing some background research on you, is that
this is really who you are. This isn't something that
(03:47):
was thrust upon you, you know at some point. Not
that there's anything wrong with people where that happens to them,
but you know, this is kind of what I call it.
This is like a duck in water. You know, this
belongs here, right, So tell people.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I was like, I know, you know, and I'm glad.
I'm always like if you're in movement work, it's different movements.
Like there are people who are here to do environmentalism,
they are people who are here to work on education.
But I'm like, I in my body, I know, without
a shadow of a doubt, I was put on this
earth in this lifetime to run this ball down the field,
like this is what I'm here for. And it's just
(04:24):
that part was easy.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You said it better than I ever could, so, you know,
and I really do appreciate the nature of the work
that you do. So let's let's talk about that a bit. First,
let's talk about kind of the origin origins of the
PWF and maybe why it was and is necessary.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, public Welfare is it's a foundation. Now, there are
lots of organization look foundation in the title, but it's
a foundation in the true IRS sense, which means we
exist to give other groups money. So sometimes people will
ask me, they're like, oh, you know, work sounds really interesting.
How do we support you? And I'm like, actually, we
support other groups that do justice reform. So, you know,
(05:08):
more than seventy five years ago, a high net individual
who had made all of his wealth in newspapers created
a foundation, and literally for more than seventy five years,
we have just been giving away those resources to other
organizations that do good work. And the iterations of that
(05:28):
mission have changed over that time, but in our latest
iteration it has been really focused on criminal and youth
justice reform across the country.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, so how does the PWFO go about keeping communities
safe through the power of local community organizations? I think
you kind of touched on that, but talk a little
bit more about what it looks like to connect with
these organizations and what their qualifications must be, or how
(05:56):
if there's any sort of recruitment process or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, that's a great question. You know. One of the
things that we like to do is that when we
select a site, a lot of what we like to
do before selection and after is listening. You know, you
go into a place and it can be hard for
a national organization to learn about who's there on the ground,
who's winning trust. But criminal youth justice are issues where
the rubber hits the road. On the ground, there's not
(06:21):
federal policy. You know, there's bully pulpit, but it's not driving.
Those are issues where what happens takes shape at the
local and state level. So when we select a site,
we have to identify the partners that are in that site,
that have been the stall wars, the big names in
that space, but actually then listen and learn from them
about who are the other stakeholders. Because we feel like
(06:44):
you cannot create safety a strong ecosystem around this work
unless you really have a ton of stakeholders engage and
central to the individuals that are engaged, are those from
impact to communities and people who've been informally incarcerated. So
we make sure that as a part of our listening
tour before we select a site and thereafter that we
(07:04):
are identifying those organizations that we think we can build
deep relationships with over the years, and then we try
to just leverage those relationships and support them in ways
that are about advancing the kind of opportunities that they
have already identified.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, so one of the things that I'm I'm interested
in learning is how about this. I'm a big fan
of a gentleman by the name of Brian Stevenson. Brian
Stevenson heads an organization called the Equal Justice Initiative, and
(07:40):
basically he's a lawyer that works to try to overturn
wrongful convictions. Right the Equal Justice Initiative, the EJI I
think it's based in might be alcabam Erson. Oh you
are so you're familiar. I'm loving this.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Brian Stevenson, one of my professors in law school, is
a longtime mentor of ours. The chair of his bore
is the chair of mo like that. You have no
idea how much love? So I'm sitting here smiling because
I'm like, that's the person to love and respect he
is in real life exactly how he feels about has
laid for decades of incredible work. But yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Ejut so so okay, so the Eji just for my
purposes and the purposes for folks who might want to
like research the type of organization that you would benefit.
Does the EJI Does that come to mind appropriately when
I'm thinking of the types of organizations that that your
(08:44):
organization would support. And second question would be how does
this factor into like the political arena, like do you
support certain candidates who are campaigning on criminal justice reform?
Or you know, how how do you engage in a
meaningful way in that world?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
This is These are both great questions. Okay, First, the
EJI is exactly the type of organization. We have supported
them for special projects or initiatives that they do. We
don't support them consistently because they're Alabama based and they're
not in one of our sites. But when you think
about organizations like that doing that type of work, those
(09:23):
are exactly the kinds of movement policy litigation shops that
we support. You ask a good question about politics and
political candidates. We actually don't support political candidates because we
are and this goes back to where we started. We
are in the five oh one C three space in
(09:44):
the I R. S Code, so we can actually not
engage in five oh C five ole one C four activity,
political activity, lobbying. So we support organizations like EJI, which
do a ton of incredible work, and they do it
from the frame of five oh one C three like
they can bring about change, messaging change and do it
(10:04):
in a way that is pushing in advancing the conversation,
the learning of people writ large, but not actually constitute
political activity.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We are here today with the President and CEO of
the Public Welfare Foundation, Candice C. Jones. Okay, so this
is something that I have in my notes here discuss
the importance of hyperlocal giving and the need for long
term support for black lead nonprofits.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, no, I love that, you know. One of the things,
and this is related to the question on EJI. So
we work in nine sites right now. Our portfolio includes
the District of Columbia, which is where our headquarters is based.
Right you're not doing place based work and not looking
at your own backyard. We're in Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Colorado, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Michigan,
(11:00):
and Tennessee. And one of the things we are and
we talked about this when I was like the rubber
hits the road on these issues on the ground, we
really think it's important to drive money to the ground
to sort of build up and bolster those groups on
the ground that are going to be engaged in the
work of justice reform. When there's a national funder funder
(11:21):
shine and light on them, and even when that's not
because that's their home, that's their own backyard, it's critically
important that they be engaged. And also, as I said,
these communities, there's been a lot of groups that have
done incredible policy work, incredible litigation work, but we also
have to make sure that we're funding organizations by people
in impacted community, black and brown communities where sort of
(11:43):
the harsh reality of this justice reform has been met out,
because those are the people coming up with innovative ideas
about how we can respond to harm in different ways.
So we like to make sure that as a part
of our strategy, those individuals and groups also get access
to the table and our resources. In addition to media partners,
(12:04):
policy attorneys, and other individuals that would usually get funded.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So one of the things that I think that we
probably should paint a better picture of you and I
just so you know, I'm kind of an activist, yeah,
emphasis on activists, and I should probably minimize the kind
of I'm definitely an activist. I get in trouble for
it all the time around here.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm activist with a capital A yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
A capital travist too. So so you and I would
know the answer to this question, but perhaps there are
some of our listeners that would not. So when you
discuss things like helping and supporting initiatives and even just
general concepts like you know, criminal and youth justice reform, Yeah,
(13:00):
you know, what does the reform look like? Or let's
let's delineate the problems or what you see to be problems,
and then we will know what the solutions are affecting.
So let's talk about that, per se. Thank you, Robach.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You know for too long in America. You know, when
you look at developed nations, and I think domestically, not
enough people know this. America is one of the highest
incarcerators in the world. So here we are in this
country right where so much of the tenets of our history,
the land of the free democracy, all these fundamental tenets
(13:37):
of justice that we hold dear, yet significant parts of
our population are not free. And the story we tell
ourselves ins and nation is that that makes us safe.
But interestingly enough, when you look at metrics on safety,
(13:57):
our European partners, our other Western developed nations have less
of their population their citizens incarcerated, and they're safer, hence
entails safer than we are. So then you have to
engage in this intellectual struggle about what's going on in
(14:18):
the US, what is driving this impetus of such overuse
of incarceration. And also the story that we need to
really honestly face is why it's so disproportionately impacts black
and brown communities, Black people, Latina people, if there's an
(14:38):
indigenous community, those are the people mostly locked up like
we find people of color, and the rate of incarceration
for those people in the community is usually off the
charts as compared to others. And so it's really important
to engage in what's really happening in America. That's a
system that, by contras is not living into those principles
(15:02):
of justice and democracy, But it's living into principles of bias,
of where we police and suppress, of how we underinvest
in communities of color. And then the one response we
will offer in those communities is more policing, more incarceration.
But the truth is we know how to achieve safety.
(15:22):
We do it in affluent communities every day. We do
that with thriving businesses, with good schools, with paid roads,
We do it with investment. But we gas like communities
of colors by saying, oh, this is the remedy that
we're going to give you, right, we're giving you only
the worst medicine, the kind that exacerbates all the harm
that we know already exist. And so look at me,
(15:45):
Let me climb down off my soapbox.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
But I love that you add that question.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Because it's like, we shouldn't assume too much. And so
then our work is really about both funding the people
that are working to say we got to dismantle this system.
This is not safety, is not justice, but also supporting
some of the people that are saying, okay, if not this,
then what what are the continuum of care? What are
(16:10):
the responses to harm when they happen that you need
to have in communities to be able to do that work.
And we think it's that second step, that latter part
that makes it truly transformative, but not enough just to
dismantle is what you start to build in its place.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Absolutely. This concludes Part one of our two part conversation
with the President and CEO of the Public Welfare Foundation,
Candice C. Jones. Be sure to check back in with
us for Part two, where we will discuss over policing,
environmental racism, and community support right here on the Black
Information Network Daily Podcast
The Public Welfare Foundation bolsters the advancement of justice and
increased opportunity for those in need. These efforts are based
on the Foundation's core values of racial equity, economic well being,
and fairness for all. The Foundation searches for strategic opportunities
where its funds can make a difference and improve people's
lives through policy and system reform that culminates in transformative change.
(00:24):
The Public Welfare Foundation is the only foundation and first
in the nation to specifically focus on adult, criminal and
youth justice reform. Candice C. Jones joined the Public Welfare
Foundation in Washington, d C. As its President and CEO
in twenty seventeen, as the youngest woman of color to
run a national foundation. Under her leadership, the PWF is
(00:46):
supporting efforts to advance justice and opportunities through grant making
and other areas, with a primary focus on adult and
youth justice. And she is our guests today. This is
the Black Information at Work Daily podcast and I'm your host,
Ramsey Jah. All right, Candice C. Jones, Welcome to this show.
(01:07):
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm doing good. Rams. This is good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Listen. I think the pleasure is online indeed, you are
a vision and I am very excited to have this
conversation with you. Obviously, I've been doing a little bit
of reading about the work that you're doing, and I
think you're just a phenomenal person. So again, pleasure is mine.
It is indeed very good to see you today. So
let's uh, let's let's start at the beginning. That's that's
(01:35):
what we typically do here on the show. Give us
a little bit about your background. Obviously, you know, our
listeners know, you know what I was able to read
to them just now. But tell us a little bit
more about you know, how you grew up, uh, you know,
and and really what led you to the career path
that you're on today.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, I love that. All of a sudden, I hear
Sam cooking my head. I was bold, you know. I
was born and raised in Chicago on the West Side,
in the community of Austin. And it's interesting to me
because people sometimes say, oh, how did you you know,
how did you arrive at this work? And I always say,
this work chose me. You know, I came up. I
(02:14):
was born in the late seventies, growing up in the
eighties on the West Side of Chicago. I very much
lived in one of those communities that was a target
for the War on drugs, and I just even before
I had words or not, because as a little kid,
you don't you know, you don't know what's going on,
but you can feel, you know. I had big family,
(02:35):
big black family on the West side of Chicago. All
of a sudden, I had all my male cousins, they
hit teenage, they're just sort of disappearing. What happened to
such and such. Oh he's going away for a little while,
he'll be back. And what I came to understand was
sort of the devastating impact on that war on drugs,
the criminal justice system on our community. And so it
(02:56):
just sort of got wrapped up in that early on
when on to big public black high school, just sort
of understood how even as a young person, I was like,
I wonder if they're doing this to kids on the
North Side, Like I wonder if they are, you know,
having dog searches in their high school and they're treating
them the same way. And that sort of fueled this
(03:17):
idea of fairness justice and was the reason that I
went to law school and wanted to focus on this work.
So I knew from a little little this is what
I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Okay, I think that's fantastic. It's always kind of inspirational
when there's a person that is kind of walking in
their purpose and it has been their purpose their whole
life and they're committed, and so I think that that's
kind of what I was picking up when I was
kind of doing some background research on you, is that
this is really who you are. This isn't something that
(03:47):
was thrust upon you, you know at some point. Not
that there's anything wrong with people where that happens to them,
but you know, this is kind of what I call it.
This is like a duck in water. You know, this
belongs here, right, So tell people.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I was like, I know, you know, and I'm glad.
I'm always like if you're in movement work, it's different movements.
Like there are people who are here to do environmentalism,
they are people who are here to work on education.
But I'm like, I in my body, I know, without
a shadow of a doubt, I was put on this
earth in this lifetime to run this ball down the field,
like this is what I'm here for. And it's just
(04:24):
that part was easy.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You said it better than I ever could, so, you know,
and I really do appreciate the nature of the work
that you do. So let's let's talk about that a bit. First,
let's talk about kind of the origin origins of the
PWF and maybe why it was and is necessary.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, public Welfare is it's a foundation. Now, there are
lots of organization look foundation in the title, but it's
a foundation in the true IRS sense, which means we
exist to give other groups money. So sometimes people will
ask me, they're like, oh, you know, work sounds really interesting.
How do we support you? And I'm like, actually, we
support other groups that do justice reform. So, you know,
(05:08):
more than seventy five years ago, a high net individual
who had made all of his wealth in newspapers created
a foundation, and literally for more than seventy five years,
we have just been giving away those resources to other
organizations that do good work. And the iterations of that
(05:28):
mission have changed over that time, but in our latest
iteration it has been really focused on criminal and youth
justice reform across the country.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, so how does the PWFO go about keeping communities
safe through the power of local community organizations? I think
you kind of touched on that, but talk a little
bit more about what it looks like to connect with
these organizations and what their qualifications must be, or how
(05:56):
if there's any sort of recruitment process or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, that's a great question. You know. One of the
things that we like to do is that when we
select a site, a lot of what we like to
do before selection and after is listening. You know, you
go into a place and it can be hard for
a national organization to learn about who's there on the ground,
who's winning trust. But criminal youth justice are issues where
the rubber hits the road. On the ground, there's not
(06:21):
federal policy. You know, there's bully pulpit, but it's not driving.
Those are issues where what happens takes shape at the
local and state level. So when we select a site,
we have to identify the partners that are in that site,
that have been the stall wars, the big names in
that space, but actually then listen and learn from them
about who are the other stakeholders. Because we feel like
(06:44):
you cannot create safety a strong ecosystem around this work
unless you really have a ton of stakeholders engage and
central to the individuals that are engaged, are those from
impact to communities and people who've been informally incarcerated. So
we make sure that as a part of our listening
tour before we select a site and thereafter that we
(07:04):
are identifying those organizations that we think we can build
deep relationships with over the years, and then we try
to just leverage those relationships and support them in ways
that are about advancing the kind of opportunities that they
have already identified.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, so one of the things that I'm I'm interested
in learning is how about this. I'm a big fan
of a gentleman by the name of Brian Stevenson. Brian
Stevenson heads an organization called the Equal Justice Initiative, and
(07:40):
basically he's a lawyer that works to try to overturn
wrongful convictions. Right the Equal Justice Initiative, the EJI I
think it's based in might be alcabam Erson. Oh you
are so you're familiar. I'm loving this.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Brian Stevenson, one of my professors in law school, is
a longtime mentor of ours. The chair of his bore
is the chair of mo like that. You have no
idea how much love? So I'm sitting here smiling because
I'm like, that's the person to love and respect he
is in real life exactly how he feels about has
laid for decades of incredible work. But yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Ejut so so okay, so the Eji just for my
purposes and the purposes for folks who might want to
like research the type of organization that you would benefit.
Does the EJI Does that come to mind appropriately when
I'm thinking of the types of organizations that that your
(08:44):
organization would support. And second question would be how does
this factor into like the political arena, like do you
support certain candidates who are campaigning on criminal justice reform?
Or you know, how how do you engage in a
meaningful way in that world?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
This is These are both great questions. Okay, First, the
EJI is exactly the type of organization. We have supported
them for special projects or initiatives that they do. We
don't support them consistently because they're Alabama based and they're
not in one of our sites. But when you think
about organizations like that doing that type of work, those
(09:23):
are exactly the kinds of movement policy litigation shops that
we support. You ask a good question about politics and
political candidates. We actually don't support political candidates because we
are and this goes back to where we started. We
are in the five oh one C three space in
(09:44):
the I R. S Code, so we can actually not
engage in five oh C five ole one C four activity,
political activity, lobbying. So we support organizations like EJI, which
do a ton of incredible work, and they do it
from the frame of five oh one C three like
they can bring about change, messaging change and do it
(10:04):
in a way that is pushing in advancing the conversation,
the learning of people writ large, but not actually constitute
political activity.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We are here today with the President and CEO of
the Public Welfare Foundation, Candice C. Jones. Okay, so this
is something that I have in my notes here discuss
the importance of hyperlocal giving and the need for long
term support for black lead nonprofits.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, no, I love that, you know. One of the things,
and this is related to the question on EJI. So
we work in nine sites right now. Our portfolio includes
the District of Columbia, which is where our headquarters is based.
Right you're not doing place based work and not looking
at your own backyard. We're in Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Colorado, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Michigan,
(11:00):
and Tennessee. And one of the things we are and
we talked about this when I was like the rubber
hits the road on these issues on the ground, we
really think it's important to drive money to the ground
to sort of build up and bolster those groups on
the ground that are going to be engaged in the
work of justice reform. When there's a national funder funder
(11:21):
shine and light on them, and even when that's not
because that's their home, that's their own backyard, it's critically
important that they be engaged. And also, as I said,
these communities, there's been a lot of groups that have
done incredible policy work, incredible litigation work, but we also
have to make sure that we're funding organizations by people
in impacted community, black and brown communities where sort of
(11:43):
the harsh reality of this justice reform has been met out,
because those are the people coming up with innovative ideas
about how we can respond to harm in different ways.
So we like to make sure that as a part
of our strategy, those individuals and groups also get access
to the table and our resources. In addition to media partners,
(12:04):
policy attorneys, and other individuals that would usually get funded.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So one of the things that I think that we
probably should paint a better picture of you and I
just so you know, I'm kind of an activist, yeah,
emphasis on activists, and I should probably minimize the kind
of I'm definitely an activist. I get in trouble for
it all the time around here.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm activist with a capital A yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
A capital travist too. So so you and I would
know the answer to this question, but perhaps there are
some of our listeners that would not. So when you
discuss things like helping and supporting initiatives and even just
general concepts like you know, criminal and youth justice reform, Yeah,
(13:00):
you know, what does the reform look like? Or let's
let's delineate the problems or what you see to be problems,
and then we will know what the solutions are affecting.
So let's talk about that, per se. Thank you, Robach.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You know for too long in America. You know, when
you look at developed nations, and I think domestically, not
enough people know this. America is one of the highest
incarcerators in the world. So here we are in this
country right where so much of the tenets of our history,
the land of the free democracy, all these fundamental tenets
(13:37):
of justice that we hold dear, yet significant parts of
our population are not free. And the story we tell
ourselves ins and nation is that that makes us safe.
But interestingly enough, when you look at metrics on safety,
(13:57):
our European partners, our other Western developed nations have less
of their population their citizens incarcerated, and they're safer, hence
entails safer than we are. So then you have to
engage in this intellectual struggle about what's going on in
(14:18):
the US, what is driving this impetus of such overuse
of incarceration. And also the story that we need to
really honestly face is why it's so disproportionately impacts black
and brown communities, Black people, Latina people, if there's an
(14:38):
indigenous community, those are the people mostly locked up like
we find people of color, and the rate of incarceration
for those people in the community is usually off the
charts as compared to others. And so it's really important
to engage in what's really happening in America. That's a
system that, by contras is not living into those principles
(15:02):
of justice and democracy, But it's living into principles of bias,
of where we police and suppress, of how we underinvest
in communities of color. And then the one response we
will offer in those communities is more policing, more incarceration.
But the truth is we know how to achieve safety.
(15:22):
We do it in affluent communities every day. We do
that with thriving businesses, with good schools, with paid roads,
We do it with investment. But we gas like communities
of colors by saying, oh, this is the remedy that
we're going to give you, right, we're giving you only
the worst medicine, the kind that exacerbates all the harm
that we know already exist. And so look at me,
(15:45):
Let me climb down off my soapbox.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
But I love that you add that question.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Because it's like, we shouldn't assume too much. And so
then our work is really about both funding the people
that are working to say we got to dismantle this system.
This is not safety, is not justice, but also supporting
some of the people that are saying, okay, if not this,
then what what are the continuum of care? What are
(16:10):
the responses to harm when they happen that you need
to have in communities to be able to do that work.
And we think it's that second step, that latter part
that makes it truly transformative, but not enough just to
dismantle is what you start to build in its place.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Absolutely. This concludes Part one of our two part conversation
with the President and CEO of the Public Welfare Foundation,
Candice C. Jones. Be sure to check back in with
us for Part two, where we will discuss over policing,
environmental racism, and community support right here on the Black
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