November 17, 2023 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy news week and we like to
review the major stories of the week here on the
Black Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information
Network news anchors John Marshall and Nicole Deal to discuss
this week's major stories. This is the Black Information Network
Daily Podcast, and I'm your host, ramses Jah. All Right,
John and Nicole, it's been too long. We need to
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shorten the amount of time between our visits because I
enjoy talking with the both of you so much.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Nicole, how have you been.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Oh, I'm doing wonderful. Yeah, the weather's changing. It's getting
close to the holidays, so I'm happy. I'm a happy girl.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's what I like to hear.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
John. How about you, man, I'm doing well. Man. I'm
trying to keep from catching this cold. Like Nicole said,
this weather change. It was literally like eighty degrees last
week and now we're getting loads of like fifty one
oh right now. So I'm fighting it, man, But I'm
doing amazing. I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
All right, Well, I would say we'd get you out here,
but it's nice and warm where we are, so let's
just do the news.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
How about that? First up?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
First up, the Black Republican.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Former Republican candidate for president Tim Scott, he's ended his
presidential campaign, but now his alleged girlfriend, Mindy knows she's
making news after details about her past marriage and shady
financial dealing surface this week. So Nicole, let's start with you,
give us more about this story, and then John will follow.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Up with you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, so you've already said South Carolina Republican Senator Tim Scott,
hoping to become president, but dropped out of the race
earlier this month after the third GOP debate. So he
basically got roasted early on all over social media for
saying he had a girlfriend, but she was never seen
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with him while he was campaigning for president. So the
so called girlfriend that no one could find proof of.
No one had ever seen, no one of your name,
No one could find pictures of the two of them together.
There were even rumors that he might be gay, et cetera.
And I'm just gonna say it. I'm just gonna say it.
We just didn't believe that he had had a girlfriend.
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So we have a word for this in the hood.
In the hood, we call this suspect. So we didn't
know if he had a girlfriend or not, But he
actually did produce a girlfriend. And as you've said, her
name is Mindy knows she is white. She is an
interior designer from Charleston, South Carolina, forty seven years old.
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She has three kids. And this is why I don't
run for public office because I don't know Mindy, but
I know all their business. Okay, So anyway, but there
may have been a reason all this time that he
did not tell us who she was. She was, as
you said, reportedly involved in a financial scandal with her
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ex husband back in twenty seventeen. So she and her
ex husband owned a company called Bravas Partners, but the
company was accused of being a shell and sham scheme.
So a shell company looks like a legal company on paper,
but it's not really a viable business, and they're typically
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associated with fraud and embezzlement and all types of financial crimes.
But the shell of the company is what makes the
fraud harder to detect and harder to prove. But anyway,
according to the Daily Mail, there was a one point
two million dollar deal that her technology ex husband was
involved in now ex husband, and that deal reportedly went bad,
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and she reportedly helped him hide their assets so they
could walk away from any liability. And in the hood
we call this slim shady, some slim shady business right there.
I believe they got divorced right around the same time
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that that deal went bad, or in that same year.
But apparently she still made out pretty good because she
now lives in a two and a half million dollar
house on Daniel Island in South Carolina. I don't really
have a strong opinion about this. I mean, Tim Scott is,
he's fifty eight years old, his presidential run is over,
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at least for this particular presidential season. He's pretty much
a non factor, and as far as I'm concerned, that
makes her a non factor by default. Yeah, so a
year from now, I don't even think we're gonna be
talking about him or her, and I don't even think
this relationship will exist.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There you go, There you go, John, how about you?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Man? Nicole hit it right on the head at the
very end. It's it's a red herring. It's fluff. It's
just something to talk about the new cycle or like
the major news cycles. And I hate that it's a
brother that it's happening to. But you know how the
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old saying goes, what is it? Show? Show who a
man is, Show his wife, and you'll know a lot
about the man. Or show his girlfriend and you'll figure
out a lot about the man. Who you date plays
a big part in who you are. So again with
Nicole saying, it's kind of like a non factor anymore.
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He's not running for president anymore. He's dropped out. It's
his girlfriend. It's not necessarily or well, it's not necessarily
it's not his wife. And business deals go bad, Shady
things happen public office and public eye. I just don't
know what people think when they start running for these
kinds of positions, like maybe their stuff isn't going to
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come out, because everybody's stuff always comes out. I don't
even know if if Tim Scott believed, or his camp believed,
or the Republicans believed, or whoever believe that he had
an actual chance of winning this thing, or if this
was some kind of strategic move just to help push
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you know, the Trump campaign and all of that. But
as far as his girlfriend goes and her shady dealings,
it's not going to matter, you know, when it comes
down to the actual presidential debate. I mean, I hope
the relationship continues to go well, and I hope she
doesn't get any more in any shady business. But you know,
he's not a factor anymore. Ramses there you go.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well, two things.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
One, I think you mentioned it or you alluded to
it at least that my belief is that all these
people are running for vice president.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's really what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
No one is even remotely close to the level of
Donald Trump in terms of the polls. Even all of
them combined aren't close to that. So this just is,
you know, whoever can make the most noise for a
vice president bid. That's that's really what I believe that
it is. And then the other thing that I think
makes this story newsworthy, and it's unfortunate, but it's because
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his girlfriend is white. If he had brought out someone
that looked just like him, that could be a part
of his family, conceivably people to be like, oh, okay,
he does have a girlfriend moving on, and it would
not even be a footnote. The reason that we're now
after he's ended that bid, still looking into this man's
girlfriend and her former dealings with her ex husband, and
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you know, all this sort of stuff is because she's
white and he's black, and I think that's what people
were kind of expecting when he said he was dating
a good Christian. But I don't think anybody was thinking
that would dating anything other than exactly who he's dating.
So so, you know, like you said, in a year,
we probably won't even remember this story, but you know,
for now, that's news. Moving on, the authors of a
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new book on George Floyd revealed how they were censored
from reading their work at a recent high school event
in Memphis, Tennessee. This time, John, let's start with you
give us more on the story in the Nicole. I'd
like to follow up with.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
You cool cool, So I will just briefly recap it
to authors Robert Samuels and Toulouse Olaronfon were promoting there.
Let's remember this Politzerprize winning book. His name name is
George Floyd. And before I even get too much further
into this, let's just remind everybody what the Pulitzerprize is.
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This is literally regarded as the nation's highest national honor
for I believe print journalism, literary just our literary achievements
and musical composition as well. So in order to win this.
It's got to be some pretty influential people that are
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going to bestow this award upon you and the work
that you had, So let's just make a footnote on that,
because that's a really big deal. So they were barred
from discussing systemic racism to a room of Memphis, Tennessee
high schoolers because of a decision that they attribute to
the Tennessee book restrictions the same way as the Florida
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book restrictions. And it was at the very last minute
that they were told that they could not have any
kind of deeper engagement with the book's theme. Now, there's
been some conflicting statements that come from the school officials
because they don't want to have any blood on their hands, right,
and the event organizers, and they just claimed that it
was some miscommunication but Tennessee laws or they're saying that
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Tennessee laws influenced the distribution but didn't restrict the author's speak.
So it's like, Okay, you can talk about it a
little bit, but you can't show the book, you can't
read from the book or anything like that. So the
students ended up accessing the book through an alternative nonprofit
source after the event. But this is man again. This
is a Politerprize winning book. Not many books reached that level,
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and it is a very important book. This gets really deep, though,
because history is written by those who win, right, Like
if you go back into the old times, whoever won
the war, they get a chance to write how the
war win, or they get a chance to write how
history went. What's happening right now. In the broader spectrum
of this band on books and information is a certain
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group of people, more often than not, the extreme right
wing conservatives are literally trying to erase history from the
anals of America, like George Floyd happened. An ex cop
murdered him, and it's seeming like if they just say, hey,
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if we don't talk about it, it will be rased
and it didn't really happen if we don't talk about it,
which is where these bands are coming from. And it's
the people that are in positions of power that are
making these bands, which ramses. It blows my mind. It's
not surprising, but it blows my mind to where they're like, hey,
we just not gonna talk about this, the same way
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they don't want to talk about slavery in school anymore,
or they want to kind of twist it and say
that slaves learned a lot during slavery. They want to
twist it to where the newer generations I Gen Millennial, Well, millennials,
we know, but there's this igen gen Z's generation where
they are programmed to not understand and know what happened,
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what really happened in history and George Floyd just happened.
So it's very unfortunate that this is happening in a
society today. It's also a good thing that the Internet
exists so that people can go and do their research
and look the stuff up for themselves. You still have
these gatekeepers that are just restricting knowledge and difficult conversations.
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And it's okay to have difficult conversations. It's okay to
talk about the truth and what really happened. And I
think the people that are trying to do this are cowards, man,
they're cowards restricting books about let's just talk about this
specific situation George Floyd. That's a coward move. This book
won a Pulitzer Prize and it needs to be talked
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about and we need to have continued discussions on it,
and his act needs to be passed. So they're just
cowards for doing this. Man, and it really gets my
blood boiling. It kind of chafes my butt, bro, when
this kind of stuff happens, because you can't erase history.
You have to own up to it, and you have
to figure out how to move forward. You can't stick
your head in the sand and say it never happened.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, sure, you're not wrong. It's it.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And they're playing the long game, you know, while we
win the battles, they're focused on the war.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I understand entirely, Nicole. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Okay, John, you forgot one thing. You forgot to drop
the mic after you second everything. So let me just
kind of resommize the situation. Both authors of the book
are black. They wrote a book about George Floyd, a
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black man murdered on a public street by a white policeman.
So my first question is what were you invited to
the school to do? I mean, just very elementary What
were you invited to do? Next question, what did they
think you were coming to the school to talk about? Okay,
I have to presume you were planning to talk about
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your new book, maybe talk about some of your own
personal black life experiences, maybe pass out a few free books,
perhaps even read an excerpt from your new book. And
let's not forget that the school that they were invited
to is in Memphis, Tennessee. Right, it's a black school.
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The black population in that city is nearly sixty five percent.
So what is it that you were afraid that might
be said or done? And why were they invited in
the first place? If you were going to censor them?
I mean suffice it to say this most certainly, definitely,
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unequivocally is not a miscommunication. These black men were censor
The restrictions were air quotes miscommunicated about forty eight hours
before they were scheduled to be there. Are you for real?
I mean, come on, my, my. My kind of final
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thought on this is why did they even go? Because
your attendance under those circumstances and restrictions perpetuates the problem.
People write books so they can be liberated, They can
be heard. They can share a point of view or
perspective that others may not otherwise ever be exposed to,
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and or there is something insightful or riveting about that
the author wants to share, and then readers have the
opportunity to explore that. So when you purposefully censor that,
when the school district or the school or whomever, when
that is purposefully censored, when that creativity can't go forward.
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To me, that is a violation of our First Amendment rights,
our constitutional rights, and that is the right to free speech.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Black Information Network News anchors John Marshall and Nicole Dealer
here with us discussing this week's major stories. All Right,
Microsoft founder Bill Gates made news this week with his
prediction that everyone will have an AI powered personal assistant
in the future, and that this will happen within the
next five years. Nicole, let's start with you this time.
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Let's get your reaction to this, and then, of course, John,
I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
All right, I love this story. This is interesting to me.
First and foremost. Bill Gates is a multi billionaire founder
of my Microsoft. He's obviously a high level thinker, and
you know, just if we're just going to be real
about when he talks, people listen, right, because he's very wealthy.
So I think it's a big statement that he's saying everyone.
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You know, that's really everyone will be using artificial intelligence
for their personal assistance needs within the next five years.
But what is equally important to me is what he
did not say, and that is using it to what capacity.
I have a short answer for this one. I hope
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he's right because I'm not a big technology person, but
I am a huge proponent of efficiency. Right, So if
there's some new technology that I can use to make
my life a little more simple, manage my personal and
business calendars, keep me on time, you know, book my
hair and nail in doctor's appointments, keep me on budget.
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Help you manage my vacations, support my weekly trips to
the gym, keep me motivated, you know. Don't let me
eat at right. I don't want to eat a half
of pizza at one time, all right, So sign me
up for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I want to try it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I'm sure that there's going to be a cost associated
with efficiency, you know, at some of the examples and
the levels I described, there's probably going to be a
monthly fee, annual fee or something, but it will definitely
be monetized in some way. There's even a company called
Humane I think Humane AI. I think that's the name
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of the company. And they even came out with a
pen like some type of almost like a lapel pin
that's such a hundred dollars. Yeah, and there there it
comes with a monthly rate of twenty four ninety nine
I think right now. But again, it seems like it's
pretty intrusive. So I think there will be a cost
that is also not financial, and that is that it's
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going to come at a significant cost to our personal
private see and also with an increase in potential risks
maybe for identity theft and identity fraud because the more
information we get out there and put out about ourselves
and have you know a chatbot or some type of
AI managing that data. You know, it's there's a cyber
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risk to that. And so what about our kids? How
old do you have to be to use it? And
what's the risk to them? So I think if some
tech company can get in front of all of that
and figure out some hard, fast and true mechanisms for
mitigating against that personal risk, then I think more people
would be willing to try it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Sure, sure, John, give me some thoughts man.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, definitely, I am. I'm all for it. Just like
Nicole said, I love efficiency. I do a lot of
different things and time management and being able to get
things done quicker, more accurately is really big in my world,
as I'm sure it is and a lot of people's.
It's just being able to be a high functioning human
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and achieve and move forward is, you know, a part
of our daily struggling, daily grind. Nicole brought up something
very good though, that I wanted to touch on. Well
right before I say that, we pretty much have an
AI tool in our Everybody's saying, these smartphones that we have,
you know what I mean, you can access AI on there,
whether it's Chat, GPT or anything like that. The phones
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are so smart, they're there, they're listening. We know that.
So we essentially have something of the sort quasi AI
in our hand already. So I completely agree with with
Bill Gates. I don't know the timeline. He's a much
more an expert on that than I am. If he
says five years, hey, I'll go with it. So I
definitely believe it's going to happen. Nicole brought up something
really interesting though, which affects us black people more than
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it affects anybody else. We'll just start here in America.
The costs that would be associated with this if we
as a people, uh, according to the numbers and just
the history, systemically make less than everybody else median household income,
wages on jobs. If we make less, will we be
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able to afford this AI? And it goes into the
realm of for the people that can that don't look
like us, they get to be ten one hundred a
thousand times more efficient in their life, in their careers
and their families. But we're still stuck without this AI
because maybe we can't afford it. Is there going to
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be a wik program for AI? You know what I mean?
For us? You know what I mean? So this is
something that we always have to look at when it
comes to us. How does this affect us from our
pockets standpoint? And will it be? And life never is?
But will it be fair? Will it be across the board?
If a kit over there can afford one thousand dollars
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a month, you know AI, And I'm getting the government
assistant AI, you know, you know in mind? Is that
a fair playing field? You know what I mean? So
that's a really big I can't wait for it. AI
is the way of the future. Electric everything is the
way of the future. So it's coming. It's just about
how do we take best advantage of it, and how
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do we try to make sure that we as black
people are getting our fair share of the pie, which
we never have.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So that you know what I'm talking about, I feel
like you raise a really important point. This is kind
of how I think about these things, and I think
that your point illustrates exactly why a war on poverty
is necessary, because poverty shapes outcomes to a degree that
almost nothing else does. In the criminal justice system, just
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to pick an example, beyond healthcare, beyond quality of life,
beyond economic empowerment, beyond you know, all the other facets
of a person's life, we have a criminal justice system
in this country, according to Brian Stevenson, that treats you
better if you are rich and guilty then if you
are poor and innocent. So again, wealth shapes outcomes, not culpability.
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And so I think that your point is well made
with respect to how will this be rolled out now?
To be fair, Bill Gates says, everyone will have it allah,
everyone has a Seri or an Alexa, or it's at
a price point that most everyone can afford. So my hope,
in my optimism is that it won't be beyond the
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reach of people fiscally speaking. But I believe him too.
You know, I think that you both mentioned that I
believe him. He was right about the pandemic. You remember
that he did that Ted talk in twenty fifteen. He
predicted that, he said that was the biggest start to humanity.
And then, you know what came to mind as I
was reading the article about this is that twenty thirteen movie.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's called Her.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'm not sure if you've seen it, but for our
listeners if you have not seen it, cool movie. It
stars Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson. But basically it's a
relationship between an individual and his AI assistant, and you
start to see the different ways that AI to be fair.
That's like kind of a romantic movie. It's a little weird,
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but it also shows other ways that AI can, you know,
turbocharge a person who's already motivated to accomplish quite a bit.
And so I welcome it to I wish there were
more black people at the table to help, you know,
infuse some black perspectives into these algorithms and into these meetings,
into the decision makers that create the decision makers.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
The artificial decision makers of the future.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And so but if we have enough of that and
enough representation in those rooms, it could be a good
thing for everyone. Maybe it might level playing field, who knows,
But we'll have to wait five years and see.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So I'm standing by last story. Today it looks like
Black Republican.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Pundit Candice Owens as a new political opponent, a nine
year old rapper named Little rt Wi. So, John, let's
start with you, because I know you're gonna have a
lot for me.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Waiting for this one.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And then Nicole, we'll follow up with you.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
All right, So again a little recap Candace Owens, whom
I love. I don't necessarily agree with everything that she says.
Everybody has opinions on stuff, but I love Candace owns.
She keeps it one hunted and she's going to stand
on business as the kids say these days. She is
criticizing this nine year old rapper, and that's a big quote,
rapper Little RTI's music, as it being destructive to black culture,
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which is sparking a lot of controversy. Now, Owens has
labeled the lyrics derogatory which they are harmful, which they are,
and Little rt is also known as Coco Felon, playing
off of the name Coco Melon. But he's defending his music.
And he responded to Candace On on social media and
he said she needs to be quiet and that her
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food is trash, and that he's not worried about her
stunt her but always is really concerned about this, citing
that it is child exploitation. And that's where I'm going
to attack this story from because I got three things
for you. Number One, if you have ever been in
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the hood, have you? If you've ever been around the hood,
if you got family members in the hood? Nine ten
eleven year Rolds eight sept year they're all talking like
this kid is talking. They're all saying the exact same things.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
They're all wrap all, all is a stretch.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Okay, all is a scratch. I will say this. All
of the music that we are reciting, all of the
Jez and the Tip and the Waynes and the little
yachtis and all this stuff like that. These kids are
singing that I was a young kid singing all of
those crazy lyrics and music stuff like that. Little RTI
is talking about doing sixty on the dash to get
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away from from the police, which first of all, isn't
fast enough. But second of all, he can't even drive
yet He's talking about women in a very derogatory way.
He can't do nothing with no women right now. Like
it's it is exploitative to a crazy degree. But I
don't want to be a hypocrite because it happens all
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the time. What's happening is is a mirror is being
held up to a certain part of our community that
these adults that are filming him, these adult men that
are filming him, are using this for views. I know
how the algorithm works, I know how absidence works. I
know that if you get more engagement, more views, more eyes,
that you make money off of this. I'm not saying
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that kids aren't talking like this and rapping like this,
but when you are using it for monetary gain, a child,
somebody is saying this is he's nine years old. He
isn't even hit double digit chet. That's my issue with
it right there. You can't do that. You just can't
do that. And the guys that are allowing this to
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happen are the guys that are pushing this and making
the videos putting this out. Yeah, man, that is hurting
the community. Because now when this kid grows up and
he catches his first felony and he goes to chain
gang and all this stuff like that, people are gonna
be like, well, look where he started from. He's wrapping
about women's butts and this, that and the third and
running from the police and having his fire on him
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at nine years old. That's not cool, man, that's not cool. Again,
I know it happens, but that's not cool when you
exploit a kid for monetary purposes.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Sure, sure, sure, Nicole, let's get your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Okay, So I watched this part of this video. I
watched this little black child, and I'm saying child because
that's what he is. I'm using that very intentionally. He
is a child. I was absolutely devastated, I mean just
flabbergasted at what was coming out of his mouth. I
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grew up in a very conservative Christian home. My mom
died earlier this year, but while she was alive, I
ever even saw my mom wear a pair of pants,
So that's how conservative she was.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
All right.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
My parents were very strict. And I said all that
just to simply say we had discipline and rules and
strict governance over what we could and could not do,
and what was we were allowed or not allowed to say,
or what came out of our mouths. So I don't
know if if this part will be edited out or not,
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but but I want to just share a little sample
of these lyrics. I'm gonna edit myself, but I think
this just has to be shared. Here's part of what
I saw him say on this video. If she ain't
sucking blank little beach, you can get the f up
out my speep. Hundred rounds. Hit him with the glock.
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Take it, effort down. One hundred round, bitch, we end
that kill. We gonna take him down twelve. Get behind me.
We gonna do sixty f and miles. Okay, listen, you
see you see how many bleeps? You see how much
I had to bleep out there. I find these lyrics
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to just be offensive as a woman, it's just vile,
is disgusting. But the fact that a nine year old
child is saying them is abhorrent to me. It's just despicable.
But the real problem for me is not this little boy.
It is his mother. She's promoting him on social media
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and I don't know why, but maybe to John's point,
you know, she's just capitalizing on something that's financial. But
I think this is an egregious parenting issue. I feel
sorry for mom. I feel sorry for a little RT.
I wish him well in his rap career if that's
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what he wants to do. I just hope he can
find a more constructive way to express himself. I hope
mom can find a way to lovingly support his creativity
without all the vulgarity and the defamation of women.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know what, I wish that we had done a
separate episode dedicated to this topic, because there's a lot.
There's a lot here there.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
But I will leave us with my thoughts. It's only
fair for me to say that I am extremely critical
of most everything Candice Owens has to say. I am
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not a fan, not even remotely close. Remember I'm the
person that kept Kanye West from wearing the shirts that
woman was wearing on stage in Europe in France. But
you know, a broken clock is right once a day,
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and so you know, fair is fair. I'm in agreement
fully that this is I'm not a fan of the song.
It's I don't believe it's a good song. It's heartbreaking
to see a child, you know, go this extreme children.
I believe should make children music, you know. You know
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that's so that other children can listen to it and
relate to it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's kind of what I think.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I cannot relate to a child's perspective because I was
never a child that did adult things. You know, when
I was a child, I did child things. I can't
relate to a child who's talking about adult things, nor
can my children. But one of the things that I
want to push back on is how an individual out
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liar somehow gets painted across the entirety of.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Black people in black culture. That is unfair.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's absolutely unfair. Okay, I grew up listening. I'm from Compton, California.
Remember that I was born in eighty two, so I
came from the worst of it. I did both parents
on drugs.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Gangs and drugs everywhere. Music not any better or worse
than what this kid is talking about. I'm here, it's
not all of us. All of us can listen to
the music, all of us can dance to it, all
of it the same way we all watch movies. We
don't end up doing what's in the movies that you know,
other things exist. Poorn't exist, Other forms of entertainment exist.
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It doesn't influence us to necessarily do anything. And the
way that hip hop is taken and smeared across the
worst parts of hip hop is taken and smeared across
our entire culture as if to say, this is why
are like that without looking at things like as I
mentioned before, like poverty shapes outcomes way more than music
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does ten times out of ten. The government shapes outcomes
way more than music ten times out of ten. Does
music have a place absolutely? Is it where we need
to start an end the conversation. Absolutely not. And for
people like Candice Owns to take this and then again
smeared across the entirety of the culture without being very
(33:28):
meticulous about the language that they're using. Remember John, I pushedback,
you know, because it's not all.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It's not all.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
You're here just like I am right, and you said,
you listen to Tip growing up, you listen to Jesus
growing up. And so for me, I need to make
sure that it's stated for our black audience that is beautiful,
that is special, that is valuable, that this individual outlier,
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this child who has perhaps come from a rough place,
whose parents probably come from the same place, who have
not a lot in the way of prospects, who got
a little bit of game, figured out how to work
an algorithm to get some money to change their immediate reality,
again a function of poverty, selling out, whatever their kid whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You know, people have done worse, But for.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That to now be positioned as though, see, this is
what's wrong with the kids today, overlooking all of the
many things that happened to lead to indeed this instance,
but every other instance as well, I think it's unfair.
I think it's unfair and irresponsible for Candice Owens, with
a stage as big as hers, to use this in
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that way. And I think that both of you are
right to feel heartbroken about this music, and so I
will leave that there. We should have a conversation that's
a lot longer, but I know that Chris will be
mad at me if I let this come conversation dragon
any longer than it needs to, So with that in mind,
I want to thank you both as always for your
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time and your insight. You to our brilliant minds, and
I can't express to you how much I enjoy having
these conversations with you. Once again, Today's guest or Black
Information Network news anchors John Marshall and Nicole Deal. This
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Black Information Network Daily podcast
It's been another busy news week and we like to
review the major stories of the week here on the
Black Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information
Network news anchors John Marshall and Nicole Deal to discuss
this week's major stories. This is the Black Information Network
Daily Podcast, and I'm your host, ramses Jah. All Right,
John and Nicole, it's been too long. We need to
(00:23):
shorten the amount of time between our visits because I
enjoy talking with the both of you so much.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Nicole, how have you been.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Oh, I'm doing wonderful. Yeah, the weather's changing. It's getting
close to the holidays, so I'm happy. I'm a happy girl.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's what I like to hear.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
John. How about you, man, I'm doing well. Man. I'm
trying to keep from catching this cold. Like Nicole said,
this weather change. It was literally like eighty degrees last
week and now we're getting loads of like fifty one
oh right now. So I'm fighting it, man, But I'm
doing amazing. I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
All right, Well, I would say we'd get you out here,
but it's nice and warm where we are, so let's
just do the news.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
How about that? First up?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
First up, the Black Republican.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Former Republican candidate for president Tim Scott, he's ended his
presidential campaign, but now his alleged girlfriend, Mindy knows she's
making news after details about her past marriage and shady
financial dealing surface this week. So Nicole, let's start with you,
give us more about this story, and then John will follow.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Up with you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, so you've already said South Carolina Republican Senator Tim Scott,
hoping to become president, but dropped out of the race
earlier this month after the third GOP debate. So he
basically got roasted early on all over social media for
saying he had a girlfriend, but she was never seen
(01:53):
with him while he was campaigning for president. So the
so called girlfriend that no one could find proof of.
No one had ever seen, no one of your name,
No one could find pictures of the two of them together.
There were even rumors that he might be gay, et cetera.
And I'm just gonna say it. I'm just gonna say it.
We just didn't believe that he had had a girlfriend.
(02:14):
So we have a word for this in the hood.
In the hood, we call this suspect. So we didn't
know if he had a girlfriend or not, But he
actually did produce a girlfriend. And as you've said, her
name is Mindy knows she is white. She is an
interior designer from Charleston, South Carolina, forty seven years old.
(02:35):
She has three kids. And this is why I don't
run for public office because I don't know Mindy, but
I know all their business. Okay, So anyway, but there
may have been a reason all this time that he
did not tell us who she was. She was, as
you said, reportedly involved in a financial scandal with her
(02:57):
ex husband back in twenty seventeen. So she and her
ex husband owned a company called Bravas Partners, but the
company was accused of being a shell and sham scheme.
So a shell company looks like a legal company on paper,
but it's not really a viable business, and they're typically
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associated with fraud and embezzlement and all types of financial crimes.
But the shell of the company is what makes the
fraud harder to detect and harder to prove. But anyway,
according to the Daily Mail, there was a one point
two million dollar deal that her technology ex husband was
involved in now ex husband, and that deal reportedly went bad,
(03:43):
and she reportedly helped him hide their assets so they
could walk away from any liability. And in the hood
we call this slim shady, some slim shady business right there.
I believe they got divorced right around the same time
(04:04):
that that deal went bad, or in that same year.
But apparently she still made out pretty good because she
now lives in a two and a half million dollar
house on Daniel Island in South Carolina. I don't really
have a strong opinion about this. I mean, Tim Scott is,
he's fifty eight years old, his presidential run is over,
(04:25):
at least for this particular presidential season. He's pretty much
a non factor, and as far as I'm concerned, that
makes her a non factor by default. Yeah, so a
year from now, I don't even think we're gonna be
talking about him or her, and I don't even think
this relationship will exist.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There you go, There you go, John, how about you?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Man? Nicole hit it right on the head at the
very end. It's it's a red herring. It's fluff. It's
just something to talk about the new cycle or like
the major news cycles. And I hate that it's a
brother that it's happening to. But you know how the
(05:08):
old saying goes, what is it? Show? Show who a
man is, Show his wife, and you'll know a lot
about the man. Or show his girlfriend and you'll figure
out a lot about the man. Who you date plays
a big part in who you are. So again with
Nicole saying, it's kind of like a non factor anymore.
(05:29):
He's not running for president anymore. He's dropped out. It's
his girlfriend. It's not necessarily or well, it's not necessarily
it's not his wife. And business deals go bad, Shady
things happen public office and public eye. I just don't
know what people think when they start running for these
kinds of positions, like maybe their stuff isn't going to
(05:53):
come out, because everybody's stuff always comes out. I don't
even know if if Tim Scott believed, or his camp believed,
or the Republicans believed, or whoever believe that he had
an actual chance of winning this thing, or if this
was some kind of strategic move just to help push
(06:14):
you know, the Trump campaign and all of that. But
as far as his girlfriend goes and her shady dealings,
it's not going to matter, you know, when it comes
down to the actual presidential debate. I mean, I hope
the relationship continues to go well, and I hope she
doesn't get any more in any shady business. But you know,
he's not a factor anymore. Ramses there you go.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well, two things.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
One, I think you mentioned it or you alluded to
it at least that my belief is that all these
people are running for vice president.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's really what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
No one is even remotely close to the level of
Donald Trump in terms of the polls. Even all of
them combined aren't close to that. So this just is,
you know, whoever can make the most noise for a
vice president bid. That's that's really what I believe that
it is. And then the other thing that I think
makes this story newsworthy, and it's unfortunate, but it's because
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his girlfriend is white. If he had brought out someone
that looked just like him, that could be a part
of his family, conceivably people to be like, oh, okay,
he does have a girlfriend moving on, and it would
not even be a footnote. The reason that we're now
after he's ended that bid, still looking into this man's
girlfriend and her former dealings with her ex husband, and
(07:31):
you know, all this sort of stuff is because she's
white and he's black, and I think that's what people
were kind of expecting when he said he was dating
a good Christian. But I don't think anybody was thinking
that would dating anything other than exactly who he's dating.
So so, you know, like you said, in a year,
we probably won't even remember this story, but you know,
for now, that's news. Moving on, the authors of a
(07:51):
new book on George Floyd revealed how they were censored
from reading their work at a recent high school event
in Memphis, Tennessee. This time, John, let's start with you
give us more on the story in the Nicole. I'd
like to follow up with.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
You cool cool, So I will just briefly recap it
to authors Robert Samuels and Toulouse Olaronfon were promoting there.
Let's remember this Politzerprize winning book. His name name is
George Floyd. And before I even get too much further
into this, let's just remind everybody what the Pulitzerprize is.
(08:22):
This is literally regarded as the nation's highest national honor
for I believe print journalism, literary just our literary achievements
and musical composition as well. So in order to win this.
It's got to be some pretty influential people that are
(08:43):
going to bestow this award upon you and the work
that you had, So let's just make a footnote on that,
because that's a really big deal. So they were barred
from discussing systemic racism to a room of Memphis, Tennessee
high schoolers because of a decision that they attribute to
the Tennessee book restrictions the same way as the Florida
(09:04):
book restrictions. And it was at the very last minute
that they were told that they could not have any
kind of deeper engagement with the book's theme. Now, there's
been some conflicting statements that come from the school officials
because they don't want to have any blood on their hands, right,
and the event organizers, and they just claimed that it
was some miscommunication but Tennessee laws or they're saying that
(09:28):
Tennessee laws influenced the distribution but didn't restrict the author's speak.
So it's like, Okay, you can talk about it a
little bit, but you can't show the book, you can't
read from the book or anything like that. So the
students ended up accessing the book through an alternative nonprofit
source after the event. But this is man again. This
is a Politerprize winning book. Not many books reached that level,
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and it is a very important book. This gets really deep, though,
because history is written by those who win, right, Like
if you go back into the old times, whoever won
the war, they get a chance to write how the
war win, or they get a chance to write how
history went. What's happening right now. In the broader spectrum
of this band on books and information is a certain
(10:18):
group of people, more often than not, the extreme right
wing conservatives are literally trying to erase history from the
anals of America, like George Floyd happened. An ex cop
murdered him, and it's seeming like if they just say, hey,
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if we don't talk about it, it will be rased
and it didn't really happen if we don't talk about it,
which is where these bands are coming from. And it's
the people that are in positions of power that are
making these bands, which ramses. It blows my mind. It's
not surprising, but it blows my mind to where they're like, hey,
we just not gonna talk about this, the same way
(11:00):
they don't want to talk about slavery in school anymore,
or they want to kind of twist it and say
that slaves learned a lot during slavery. They want to
twist it to where the newer generations I Gen Millennial, Well, millennials,
we know, but there's this igen gen Z's generation where
they are programmed to not understand and know what happened,
(11:23):
what really happened in history and George Floyd just happened.
So it's very unfortunate that this is happening in a
society today. It's also a good thing that the Internet
exists so that people can go and do their research
and look the stuff up for themselves. You still have
these gatekeepers that are just restricting knowledge and difficult conversations.
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And it's okay to have difficult conversations. It's okay to
talk about the truth and what really happened. And I
think the people that are trying to do this are cowards, man,
they're cowards restricting books about let's just talk about this
specific situation George Floyd. That's a coward move. This book
won a Pulitzer Prize and it needs to be talked
(12:08):
about and we need to have continued discussions on it,
and his act needs to be passed. So they're just
cowards for doing this. Man, and it really gets my
blood boiling. It kind of chafes my butt, bro, when
this kind of stuff happens, because you can't erase history.
You have to own up to it, and you have
to figure out how to move forward. You can't stick
your head in the sand and say it never happened.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, sure, you're not wrong. It's it.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And they're playing the long game, you know, while we
win the battles, they're focused on the war.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I understand entirely, Nicole. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Okay, John, you forgot one thing. You forgot to drop
the mic after you second everything. So let me just
kind of resommize the situation. Both authors of the book
are black. They wrote a book about George Floyd, a
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black man murdered on a public street by a white policeman.
So my first question is what were you invited to
the school to do? I mean, just very elementary What
were you invited to do? Next question, what did they
think you were coming to the school to talk about? Okay,
I have to presume you were planning to talk about
(13:26):
your new book, maybe talk about some of your own
personal black life experiences, maybe pass out a few free books,
perhaps even read an excerpt from your new book. And
let's not forget that the school that they were invited
to is in Memphis, Tennessee. Right, it's a black school.
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The black population in that city is nearly sixty five percent.
So what is it that you were afraid that might
be said or done? And why were they invited in
the first place? If you were going to censor them?
I mean suffice it to say this most certainly, definitely,
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unequivocally is not a miscommunication. These black men were censor
The restrictions were air quotes miscommunicated about forty eight hours
before they were scheduled to be there. Are you for real?
I mean, come on, my, my. My kind of final
(14:31):
thought on this is why did they even go? Because
your attendance under those circumstances and restrictions perpetuates the problem.
People write books so they can be liberated, They can
be heard. They can share a point of view or
perspective that others may not otherwise ever be exposed to,
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and or there is something insightful or riveting about that
the author wants to share, and then readers have the
opportunity to explore that. So when you purposefully censor that,
when the school district or the school or whomever, when
that is purposefully censored, when that creativity can't go forward.
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To me, that is a violation of our First Amendment rights,
our constitutional rights, and that is the right to free speech.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Black Information Network News anchors John Marshall and Nicole Dealer
here with us discussing this week's major stories. All Right,
Microsoft founder Bill Gates made news this week with his
prediction that everyone will have an AI powered personal assistant
in the future, and that this will happen within the
next five years. Nicole, let's start with you this time.
(15:47):
Let's get your reaction to this, and then, of course, John,
I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
All right, I love this story. This is interesting to me.
First and foremost. Bill Gates is a multi billionaire founder
of my Microsoft. He's obviously a high level thinker, and
you know, just if we're just going to be real
about when he talks, people listen, right, because he's very wealthy.
So I think it's a big statement that he's saying everyone.
(16:16):
You know, that's really everyone will be using artificial intelligence
for their personal assistance needs within the next five years.
But what is equally important to me is what he
did not say, and that is using it to what capacity.
I have a short answer for this one. I hope
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he's right because I'm not a big technology person, but
I am a huge proponent of efficiency. Right, So if
there's some new technology that I can use to make
my life a little more simple, manage my personal and
business calendars, keep me on time, you know, book my
hair and nail in doctor's appointments, keep me on budget.
(16:59):
Help you manage my vacations, support my weekly trips to
the gym, keep me motivated, you know. Don't let me
eat at right. I don't want to eat a half
of pizza at one time, all right, So sign me
up for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I want to try it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I'm sure that there's going to be a cost associated
with efficiency, you know, at some of the examples and
the levels I described, there's probably going to be a
monthly fee, annual fee or something, but it will definitely
be monetized in some way. There's even a company called
Humane I think Humane AI. I think that's the name
(17:34):
of the company. And they even came out with a
pen like some type of almost like a lapel pin
that's such a hundred dollars. Yeah, and there there it
comes with a monthly rate of twenty four ninety nine
I think right now. But again, it seems like it's
pretty intrusive. So I think there will be a cost
that is also not financial, and that is that it's
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going to come at a significant cost to our personal
private see and also with an increase in potential risks
maybe for identity theft and identity fraud because the more
information we get out there and put out about ourselves
and have you know a chatbot or some type of
AI managing that data. You know, it's there's a cyber
(18:19):
risk to that. And so what about our kids? How
old do you have to be to use it? And
what's the risk to them? So I think if some
tech company can get in front of all of that
and figure out some hard, fast and true mechanisms for
mitigating against that personal risk, then I think more people
would be willing to try it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Sure, sure, John, give me some thoughts man.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, definitely, I am. I'm all for it. Just like
Nicole said, I love efficiency. I do a lot of
different things and time management and being able to get
things done quicker, more accurately is really big in my world,
as I'm sure it is and a lot of people's.
It's just being able to be a high functioning human
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and achieve and move forward is, you know, a part
of our daily struggling, daily grind. Nicole brought up something
very good though, that I wanted to touch on. Well
right before I say that, we pretty much have an
AI tool in our Everybody's saying, these smartphones that we have,
you know what I mean, you can access AI on there,
whether it's Chat, GPT or anything like that. The phones
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are so smart, they're there, they're listening. We know that.
So we essentially have something of the sort quasi AI
in our hand already. So I completely agree with with
Bill Gates. I don't know the timeline. He's a much
more an expert on that than I am. If he
says five years, hey, I'll go with it. So I
definitely believe it's going to happen. Nicole brought up something
really interesting though, which affects us black people more than
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it affects anybody else. We'll just start here in America.
The costs that would be associated with this if we
as a people, uh, according to the numbers and just
the history, systemically make less than everybody else median household income,
wages on jobs. If we make less, will we be
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able to afford this AI? And it goes into the
realm of for the people that can that don't look
like us, they get to be ten one hundred a
thousand times more efficient in their life, in their careers
and their families. But we're still stuck without this AI
because maybe we can't afford it. Is there going to
(20:31):
be a wik program for AI? You know what I mean?
For us? You know what I mean? So this is
something that we always have to look at when it
comes to us. How does this affect us from our
pockets standpoint? And will it be? And life never is?
But will it be fair? Will it be across the board?
If a kit over there can afford one thousand dollars
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a month, you know AI, And I'm getting the government
assistant AI, you know, you know in mind? Is that
a fair playing field? You know what I mean? So
that's a really big I can't wait for it. AI
is the way of the future. Electric everything is the
way of the future. So it's coming. It's just about
how do we take best advantage of it, and how
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do we try to make sure that we as black
people are getting our fair share of the pie, which
we never have.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So that you know what I'm talking about, I feel
like you raise a really important point. This is kind
of how I think about these things, and I think
that your point illustrates exactly why a war on poverty
is necessary, because poverty shapes outcomes to a degree that
almost nothing else does. In the criminal justice system, just
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to pick an example, beyond healthcare, beyond quality of life,
beyond economic empowerment, beyond you know, all the other facets
of a person's life, we have a criminal justice system
in this country, according to Brian Stevenson, that treats you
better if you are rich and guilty then if you
are poor and innocent. So again, wealth shapes outcomes, not culpability.
(22:11):
And so I think that your point is well made
with respect to how will this be rolled out now?
To be fair, Bill Gates says, everyone will have it allah,
everyone has a Seri or an Alexa, or it's at
a price point that most everyone can afford. So my hope,
in my optimism is that it won't be beyond the
(22:32):
reach of people fiscally speaking. But I believe him too.
You know, I think that you both mentioned that I
believe him. He was right about the pandemic. You remember
that he did that Ted talk in twenty fifteen. He
predicted that, he said that was the biggest start to humanity.
And then, you know what came to mind as I
was reading the article about this is that twenty thirteen movie.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's called Her.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'm not sure if you've seen it, but for our
listeners if you have not seen it, cool movie. It
stars Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson. But basically it's a
relationship between an individual and his AI assistant, and you
start to see the different ways that AI to be fair.
That's like kind of a romantic movie. It's a little weird,
(23:16):
but it also shows other ways that AI can, you know,
turbocharge a person who's already motivated to accomplish quite a bit.
And so I welcome it to I wish there were
more black people at the table to help, you know,
infuse some black perspectives into these algorithms and into these meetings,
into the decision makers that create the decision makers.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
The artificial decision makers of the future.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And so but if we have enough of that and
enough representation in those rooms, it could be a good
thing for everyone. Maybe it might level playing field, who knows,
But we'll have to wait five years and see.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So I'm standing by last story. Today it looks like
Black Republican.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Pundit Candice Owens as a new political opponent, a nine
year old rapper named Little rt Wi. So, John, let's
start with you, because I know you're gonna have a
lot for me.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Waiting for this one.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And then Nicole, we'll follow up with you.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
All right, So again a little recap Candace Owens, whom
I love. I don't necessarily agree with everything that she says.
Everybody has opinions on stuff, but I love Candace owns.
She keeps it one hunted and she's going to stand
on business as the kids say these days. She is
criticizing this nine year old rapper, and that's a big quote,
rapper Little RTI's music, as it being destructive to black culture,
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which is sparking a lot of controversy. Now, Owens has
labeled the lyrics derogatory which they are harmful, which they are,
and Little rt is also known as Coco Felon, playing
off of the name Coco Melon. But he's defending his music.
And he responded to Candace On on social media and
he said she needs to be quiet and that her
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food is trash, and that he's not worried about her
stunt her but always is really concerned about this, citing
that it is child exploitation. And that's where I'm going
to attack this story from because I got three things
for you. Number One, if you have ever been in
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the hood, have you? If you've ever been around the hood,
if you got family members in the hood? Nine ten
eleven year Rolds eight sept year they're all talking like
this kid is talking. They're all saying the exact same things.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
They're all wrap all, all is a stretch.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Okay, all is a scratch. I will say this. All
of the music that we are reciting, all of the
Jez and the Tip and the Waynes and the little
yachtis and all this stuff like that. These kids are
singing that I was a young kid singing all of
those crazy lyrics and music stuff like that. Little RTI
is talking about doing sixty on the dash to get
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away from from the police, which first of all, isn't
fast enough. But second of all, he can't even drive
yet He's talking about women in a very derogatory way.
He can't do nothing with no women right now. Like
it's it is exploitative to a crazy degree. But I
don't want to be a hypocrite because it happens all
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the time. What's happening is is a mirror is being
held up to a certain part of our community that
these adults that are filming him, these adult men that
are filming him, are using this for views. I know
how the algorithm works, I know how absidence works. I
know that if you get more engagement, more views, more eyes,
that you make money off of this. I'm not saying
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that kids aren't talking like this and rapping like this,
but when you are using it for monetary gain, a child,
somebody is saying this is he's nine years old. He
isn't even hit double digit chet. That's my issue with
it right there. You can't do that. You just can't
do that. And the guys that are allowing this to
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happen are the guys that are pushing this and making
the videos putting this out. Yeah, man, that is hurting
the community. Because now when this kid grows up and
he catches his first felony and he goes to chain
gang and all this stuff like that, people are gonna
be like, well, look where he started from. He's wrapping
about women's butts and this, that and the third and
running from the police and having his fire on him
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at nine years old. That's not cool, man, that's not cool. Again,
I know it happens, but that's not cool when you
exploit a kid for monetary purposes.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Sure, sure, sure, Nicole, let's get your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Okay, So I watched this part of this video. I
watched this little black child, and I'm saying child because
that's what he is. I'm using that very intentionally. He
is a child. I was absolutely devastated, I mean just
flabbergasted at what was coming out of his mouth. I
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grew up in a very conservative Christian home. My mom
died earlier this year, but while she was alive, I
ever even saw my mom wear a pair of pants,
So that's how conservative she was.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
All right.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
My parents were very strict. And I said all that
just to simply say we had discipline and rules and
strict governance over what we could and could not do,
and what was we were allowed or not allowed to say,
or what came out of our mouths. So I don't
know if if this part will be edited out or not,
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but but I want to just share a little sample
of these lyrics. I'm gonna edit myself, but I think
this just has to be shared. Here's part of what
I saw him say on this video. If she ain't
sucking blank little beach, you can get the f up
out my speep. Hundred rounds. Hit him with the glock.
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Take it, effort down. One hundred round, bitch, we end
that kill. We gonna take him down twelve. Get behind me.
We gonna do sixty f and miles. Okay, listen, you
see you see how many bleeps? You see how much
I had to bleep out there. I find these lyrics
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to just be offensive as a woman, it's just vile,
is disgusting. But the fact that a nine year old
child is saying them is abhorrent to me. It's just despicable.
But the real problem for me is not this little boy.
It is his mother. She's promoting him on social media
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and I don't know why, but maybe to John's point,
you know, she's just capitalizing on something that's financial. But
I think this is an egregious parenting issue. I feel
sorry for mom. I feel sorry for a little RT.
I wish him well in his rap career if that's
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what he wants to do. I just hope he can
find a more constructive way to express himself. I hope
mom can find a way to lovingly support his creativity
without all the vulgarity and the defamation of women.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know what, I wish that we had done a
separate episode dedicated to this topic, because there's a lot.
There's a lot here there.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
But I will leave us with my thoughts. It's only
fair for me to say that I am extremely critical
of most everything Candice Owens has to say. I am
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not a fan, not even remotely close. Remember I'm the
person that kept Kanye West from wearing the shirts that
woman was wearing on stage in Europe in France. But
you know, a broken clock is right once a day,
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and so you know, fair is fair. I'm in agreement
fully that this is I'm not a fan of the song.
It's I don't believe it's a good song. It's heartbreaking
to see a child, you know, go this extreme children.
I believe should make children music, you know. You know
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that's so that other children can listen to it and
relate to it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's kind of what I think.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I cannot relate to a child's perspective because I was
never a child that did adult things. You know, when
I was a child, I did child things. I can't
relate to a child who's talking about adult things, nor
can my children. But one of the things that I
want to push back on is how an individual out
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liar somehow gets painted across the entirety of.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Black people in black culture. That is unfair.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's absolutely unfair. Okay, I grew up listening. I'm from Compton, California.
Remember that I was born in eighty two, so I
came from the worst of it. I did both parents
on drugs.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Gangs and drugs everywhere. Music not any better or worse
than what this kid is talking about. I'm here, it's
not all of us. All of us can listen to
the music, all of us can dance to it, all
of it the same way we all watch movies. We
don't end up doing what's in the movies that you know,
other things exist. Poorn't exist, Other forms of entertainment exist.
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It doesn't influence us to necessarily do anything. And the
way that hip hop is taken and smeared across the
worst parts of hip hop is taken and smeared across
our entire culture as if to say, this is why
are like that without looking at things like as I
mentioned before, like poverty shapes outcomes way more than music
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does ten times out of ten. The government shapes outcomes
way more than music ten times out of ten. Does
music have a place absolutely? Is it where we need
to start an end the conversation. Absolutely not. And for
people like Candice Owns to take this and then again
smeared across the entirety of the culture without being very
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meticulous about the language that they're using. Remember John, I pushedback,
you know, because it's not all.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It's not all.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
You're here just like I am right, and you said,
you listen to Tip growing up, you listen to Jesus
growing up. And so for me, I need to make
sure that it's stated for our black audience that is beautiful,
that is special, that is valuable, that this individual outlier,
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this child who has perhaps come from a rough place,
whose parents probably come from the same place, who have
not a lot in the way of prospects, who got
a little bit of game, figured out how to work
an algorithm to get some money to change their immediate reality,
again a function of poverty, selling out, whatever their kid whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You know, people have done worse, But for.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That to now be positioned as though, see, this is
what's wrong with the kids today, overlooking all of the
many things that happened to lead to indeed this instance,
but every other instance as well, I think it's unfair.
I think it's unfair and irresponsible for Candice Owens, with
a stage as big as hers, to use this in
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that way. And I think that both of you are
right to feel heartbroken about this music, and so I
will leave that there. We should have a conversation that's
a lot longer, but I know that Chris will be
mad at me if I let this come conversation dragon
any longer than it needs to, So with that in mind,
I want to thank you both as always for your
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time and your insight. You to our brilliant minds, and
I can't express to you how much I enjoy having
these conversations with you. Once again, Today's guest or Black
Information Network news anchors John Marshall and Nicole Deal. This
has been a production of the Black Information Network. Today's
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