November 11, 2024 • 30 mins
AR Shaw, Executive Editor of Atlanta Daily World , joins Host Ramses Ja on today's episode to review the major stories of the week, including the latest news on the Trump Presidential win.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend and week though, you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
our weekend recap featuring the author of the book Trap
History and the executive editor of Atlanta Daily World, mister A. Rshaw,
and the Black Information Network's very own Q Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is the Black Information.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Network Daily Podcast, and I'm your host, ramses Jah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, mister A. Rshaw, Welcome back to the show.
Dare I ask? How have you been? Hey? We have
to maintain That's all we had to do, was matin.
I'll take that. Cueboard man, what's the latest?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Same here? Man trying to tread water best I can.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Okay, well we're going to do it with everybody else now.
So first up, it's been a while, all right. First up,
it's from the Associated Press. Trump gained a larger share
of black and Latino voters than he did in twenty
twenty when he lost to Democrat Joe Biden, and most
notably among men under age forty five. According to AP
vote cast, a nationwide survey of more than one hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And twenty thousand voters.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Even as Democrat Kamala Harris won majorities of black and
Latino voters, it wasn't enough to give the vice president
the White House. Because of the gains Trump made economy
and jobs made men under age forty five more open
to Trump. Voters overall sided the economy and jobs as
the most important issue the country faced. That was true
for black and Hispanic voters as well. About three and
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black men under age forty five win for Trump, roughly
double the share he got in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Young Latinos, particularly young Latino men, also were more open
to Trump than in twenty twenty. Roughly half of young
Latino men voted for Harris, compared with about six and
ten who went for Biden. So I know that, you know,
in the aftermath of that election, we've had a lot
to sift through. Give us your thoughts on, you know,
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the data that is still suggesting that black men have
and and Latino men of course have kind of abandoned
their democratic roots and kind of are up for grabs.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
A you're first, Yeah, I really think that's a Misnoman
in terms of black men.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You know, over the final two months of the before
election day, we saw these media out national media outlets
saying that, you know, Kamla Harris is gonna have a
problem with black men.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And we saw.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
In the final the final polls on the side of
the final totals is that it wasn't really black men,
and it was a lot of Latino mint black men.
Of course white men, but she did fairly well with
black men in terms of how many came out to
support her.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I just thought that was.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
A misnomer overall, and just you know, another reason to
kind of deflect them and put point blame on black men. Now,
for those who did Trump, I think it was kind
of a misguided situation in terms of just him being
able to perpetuate misinformation. In terms of what he did
for the economy. Uh, just to put out some stats
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for you under Trump his first administration, the economy lost
two point seven million jobs. The employment rate increased by
one point seven percent, paychase grew faster with an inflation
under Trump. The trade deficit under Trump, he promised to
reduce it and went up as well.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And uh, over three.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Million people lost lost their health insurance under Trump, and
so we've you know, in terms of the numbers, we
saw that Trump wasn't really better for the economy, but
he was able to perpetuate misinformation in terms of what's
happening now, how are your pockets, how how you know?
What are your what are your pockets saying to you
now in terms of just you know, what the overall
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economic picture is. And I thought that was just a
lot of misinformation, a lot of people not really understanding
the true statistics of what was happening during the first
Trump administration, and it kind of just taking in the
misinformation of what's being perpetuated.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now sure, sure, you know. And the thing about this though,
is that we three are, of course black men. You
live in Atlanta and Georgia. We live in Arizona, Q
and myself. These are both swing states. So we kind
of got the lion's share of you know, both sides
trying to get our attention, you know, in other places
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around the country that may not have been the case. Q.
Talk to us a bit about what this article is
saying and what you're getting from it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
What I'm getting from the article is just most of
what I observed in real time. Former President Trump does
a brilliant job of selling himself as a populist, as
a person that's more in touch with the working man,
even while insulting them to their face. He kind of
has a sense of understanding that there's a bit of
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laziness with regards to how we consume information. Oftentimes, the
first source we hear it from that's the best one
because that's where I heard it from first. And the
way that our minds reacting to information the first time
we take him in, I think kind of marries us
to how we felt when we got it. That's why
it's so hard, even when you give people more accurate
information for people to thank your minds. So I think
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what he did was if I say it out loud,
they'll assume it's true, especially if I say it first.
Kind of your parent comes home from work and you've
been mean to your sibling all day, but you run
until your parents the opposite. You know you got yours
in first, and now it's up to the other person
to prove or have a burden of proof.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So I think he showed up with a lot of
impressionable young mostly from the percentages that I saw Hispanic men,
but of course a lot of white men and some
black men with this idea that they'd been ignored and
unheard and he's going to be the one that's going
to come and represent them, even while saying to them,
I don't care about you, I only want your vote,
and hey, people that are riches, I'm going to give
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you tax breaks. Like he hasn't hidden his agenda. He
just throws some emotional, lying bait first, and once he
gets people hooked, he seems to have a hold. So
I think that's why so many, you know, men really
of all backgrounds kind of relate to this petulant bully
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free from consequence. It comes across as and maybe it
comes across as more real, more authentic, where if somebody
shows up and they're polished and they're more status quo. Again,
there's also this tendency you hear me say this all
the time, to be contrarian. So not only am I
identifying more with the strong dude who does and says
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it how it is and can do whatever he wants
and is going to be here to make sure that
we have money, because of course he said the economy
was better under him, even though we know that that's
not true. And even though we know that unemployment, job creation,
the the dip in the poverty level for people, especially
black people, for the Biden administration has been really, really strong,
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But the other side says it it's not, and people
who are already it's like people are so tuned into
him then they have to make what he says true
because of how he makes them feel about him. It's
it's kind of they end up I've said this to
you before as well, they end up defending themselves more
than defending him. And that's why they're so viet vehement
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and passionate and angry. There's something in him that they
wish they were or that they also see in themselves.
So I think that's how he was able to even
penetrate and have the gains that he did.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think both of those observations are excellent. There's I mean,
we've gone on record saying that this was a surprise
for us, this outcome, for this election, and one of
the things that I don't want anyone to take away
from this is that black men abandoned black women in
their time of need. That's the last thing that we
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need is for that narrative to end up chronicled. I
see both shaking your heads for only people that are
only listening. So make sure we're the people know we're
all in agreement. Insofar as that is concerned. Black men
did not vote at a statistically relevant higher rate for
the Republican nominee this go round than they have in
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the past. You know, granted he had more black men
than the last election cycle this go around, but historic averages,
you know, black men voted for the Republican nominee at
about the same rate, and so there's no surprise here.
The only surprise is that there was a small gain
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when you compare Trump to Trump. In other words, there
are always going to be a group of black men
who are going to feel how they feel and vote
the way that they vot. But most of us showed
up and voted for Kamala Harris. Most black women showed
up and voted for Kamala Harris. I believe it was
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like ninety two percent or something like that, and so
that that needs to be stated. I don't think that
AP was trying to mislead us with this article. I
think they're just kind of reporting the data. But if
a person just read the headline and then moved on.
It would suggest that somehow black people did Black men
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rather did the same thing that Latino men did. I
think to your point Q about the messaging, you know,
I've read lots of things since the election that says that,
you know, kind of what you said, that people are.
You know, there is a lot of people that really
identified with Trump's persona, you know, free from consequences, saying
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and doing whatever he wants, you know, and they feel
that that's how the world should be. That they've been forgotten.
And you know, there's there's those people. There's people that.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Feel like.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know, again you said it right, his messaging about
their pockets and the economy and a mirror you said
this too, that how how do your pockets feel right
now compared to the last four years or compared to
the prior for your administration. That resonated with people just
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because of the way memory works, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I again, I'm still processing this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I don't want to pretend like I can look back
on this like a historian with twenty twenty vision. But yeah,
there's a lot of things that are going around it
are I guess reasons why men responded to Donald Trump
the way that they do, and now it appears as
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though we're going to, you know, live in that world
and see what that's like again with him this time
having no real guardrails and being able to do exactly
what he wants. And you know, he's kind of told
us what he's on. And so for all the Latino
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men and the black men and you know, everyone else
that decided to vote that way, I hope your belief
in him is well placed.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So we'll leave it there.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Moving on this from Athlon sports, forgive me if I
mispronounce that you guys are in for a ride here.
Colorado has taken a massive leap forward under head coach
Deon Sanders, improving from a four and eight record in
his first season with the program in twenty twenty three.
Upon signing his contract with Colorado before the twenty twenty
three twenty four season, Sanders agreed to a number of
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seasonal bonuses that were included in his five year, twenty
nine and a half a million dollar deal. After Colorado
won six games and became Bowl eligible, Sanders has received
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars as a bonus added
to that purse in week eleven with another one hundred
thousand dollars. So, amir, I'm going to kick this one
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back out to you. This sounds cool, so give me
your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, what's interesting though, I'll followed Deon Sander's journey
as a head coach even back when he was at
Jackson State University and decided to make that leap over
to Colorado initially before he got the job. But at Colorado,
the Colorado job was a really bad job, right, They.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Had only won one game.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think they were like one and eleven, and so
it was really he was really up against it in
terms of not really having the resources, in terms of
not having a talent. It was just a school that
was really forgotten in terms of football. And he was
pretty much put himself in a real in a situation
that didn't really seem favorable starting out because it's just
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aack of talent. And we saw the struggles last year
in that first year because it's just you know, it
really wasn't his team. He had a few players that
he bought over, you know, his sons, Travis Hunold, who's
probably going to be one of the top three pick
and so uh, we saw we've seen him turn this this,
uh this program around, and it's hard to turn around
college programs, uh, just because it's just you know, the
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way it's uh set up in terms of transfers, things
of that nature.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
He was He's been able to kind of do something
that a lot of people, uh, particularly in sports media, uh,
didn't think that he would be able to do in
terms of just turning this program around to the point
where they're really in a in a in a position
to contend for a national title. I don't personally think
they're gonna make it that far, but they have there are.
They do have a shot at a national championship game.
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And that was something that was pretty much unheard of
three or four years ago at this program. And so
we just have to commend the job that he's done
over the past three years.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Okay, one of the things I do remember about Dion
Sanders is that he came from an HBCU and everyone was.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Mad at him.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And I remember when he first went to the HBCU,
and I was like, how cool is that? And so
the fact that he brought those players with him, I'm
assuming they came from an HBCU or I may remember
that from the time. I think it shows everyone else
that HBCU players and programs are viable, because the reason
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we're having this conversation now is because sort of the
primordial oohs of this moment started at an HBCU and
these these this talent and this coaching and so forth
has come through there. So that's that's my connection to
the story, and that's all I got. But you know, Q,
I know you have more to offer this conversation than
I do.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
So that was I was lucky enough to go to
Boulder and spend some time around the team last season,
and you can see the impact that Coach Prime and
that team has had on that communit unity on that city,
you know, having conversations with the students about how different
it's felt since they arrived. Of course, he's due a bonus,
the financial windfall that has followed him from Jackson State
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to Voulder, Colorado. Those people are very, very happy with
the way that things are going, even with the you know,
I think a two hundred and fifty percent increase in
wins from the season before he got there last year.
But Coach Prime is so loud and so confident that
some people start to root for him not to be successful.
So him not having a great season in his first
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season should have been expected, and that should have been
a normal standard for normal coach. But of course Coach
Prime is not a normal coach, and when you bring
that kind of attention, they are going to be people
that resent you a bit. But the turnaround, even from
the year before he got there last year, he's now
about to double up on that, so he's he's improving
at a blistering rate. I got to make sure I
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get you up to one of those games, man, because
it really is a cultural experience in a city like Boulder,
which you and I had read before as a very
liberal city, is not a very diverse city. So a
lot of change in the cultural impact with Coach Prime
coming there, not just on the football field, but it's
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resonating throughout that community and throughout that school. So I'm
glad to see that. You know, there's some flowers for
him in the way of finances, not just snik using
thumbs up, because he's done a lot to change what
the expectations are of that program.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Today's guests include the author of the book Trap History, and.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
The executive editor of Atlanta Daily World, Mister A. R.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Shaw, and the Black Information Network's very owned toward all Right.
Next step from the Black Information Network. Residents in Shiloh,
a predominantly black community in southeastern Alabama, are accusing the
state of intentionally flooding their town through a highway expansion project.
Per the Atlanta Black Star, Shiloh has faced constant flooding
since twenty eighteen, when the state began to expand US
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eighty four from two lanes to four. Residents believe the
Alabama Department of Transportation discriminated against them because of how
they designed the highway drainage system. All of the drains
from the new stretch of the highway empty out near
homes in the predominantly black community, while white owned farmland
nearby avoided any runoff. The constant flooding has led to
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septic tank overflows and an influx of snakes, rats, and mosquitoes.
Residents are also struggling to keep up with rising home
owners insurance due to the flooding, and many homes have
gone unrepaired. Black residents in Shiloh followed a civil rights
complaint with the federal government two years ago alleging discrimination.
Federal officials recently announced the conclusion of their investigation into
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the situation. A settlement was reached with the Alabama Department
of Transportation to make a drainage system to curb flooding. However,
the Alabama DOT is not admitting to any wrongdoing, and
the Federal Highway Administration is also not concluding that the
state agency has violated any rule. There's also no guarantee
that residents will receive compensation for what's already been lost.
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Three residents were awarded five thousand dollars or less under
the condition that they won't sue the state. Shiloh residents
started a petition seeking a widespread compensation fund for relocation,
assistance and home repair. Some residents don't want to be
pushed out of the town, as black owned properties have
been passed down for generations.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
So this one was I mean, I have my thoughts,
but I'm here as always, let's get yours first.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, I think this kind of just reminds me of
situations that have occurred in the past, and absolutely just
what we saw in New Orleans with Katrina and you know,
the flood and that that occurred there. And those black communities.
It's happened in black communities. In Atlanta, we have a
community buying city that floods often. I'm not sure if
you guys have recalled a few months ago, but the
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widespread flooding that took place in the city of Atlanta,
a lot of that occurred within the within black communities.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And so we've seen this from from.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
An infrastructure issues, uh, in cities across the nation where
black communities are pretty much damaged because of these infrastructure issues.
And you know, it's it's fortunate that you you know,
we're we're under a federal government that actually took this
case on. I mean, it's not going to change the
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lives of a lot of the residents, but at least
they got an opportunity to put this case in front
of the federal government. We don't know what's going to
happen now with this Trump administration in terms of will
they actually take the time to look at civil rights
complaints like this, you know, and so I think we
have to really think about the repercussions of an administration
that may not take a complaint like this and actually
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even you know, take a look at it. Fortunately, the
government was able to get a settlement where they're making
the Alabama Department of Transportation to implement a drainage system
to curb the flooding, which is a good step, But
like I say, what happens next when they don't, you know,
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these these communities across the nation won't get the support
that's needed.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. And I
know that you know, Q. You're aware that we've discussed
a number of historic intentional floods and our way Black
History fact on civic cipher, So this is nothing new
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to you.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But yeah, give us your thoughts here.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean environmental racism. There's a reason that that idiom
where that term exists. The number of examples throughout our
history in this country is endless. And seeing things like
this and like even the you can tell the the
disregard for the value of our lives that is present
throughout the society. Those settlement amounts, Yeah, like you're talking
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about one month's mortgage. Maybe maybe you know you're talking
about absolutely not enough money to make meaningful repairs on
the houses. And we'll give you this little bit of
money because we know you don't have anything. As long
as you agree not to sue us. And when you're
considering do I try to get my insurance company in
court or do I get groceries? You're going to take
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the little couple thousand dollars that they're offering you because
you're in a society that has you in a financial state.
And that was only three people that got five thousand
or less, by the way, or those are the type
of decisions that you're willing to make even though in
your heart you know they're not there. Yeah, you don't
really have a choice. So it's, you know, more of
the same. Unfortunately, and like my brother said, with consider it,
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having a government that wouldn't even look into something like that, Well,
you know, here we are.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know, back to what I was saying earlier.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
We did an episode where we looked into specifically flooding
of black communities over the years, like going back to
the eighteen hundreds and how frequently it happened, and how
very often black people were displaced. When the flooding subsided,
you know, the lands were reclaimed either through special assessments
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or taxes or whatever sort of new conditions written into
local laws that allowed the state or local non black
people to claim the lands or whatever. And these were
examples of black people being displaced, their economic powers being
stripped away from them, their homes and their livelihoods being
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stripped away from them, and then it being claimed by
white governments and families and individuals, and it being well
documented enough to where we can look back on it
one hundred plus years later and see how often it happens.
So when I look at something like this and I
hear both of you say, you know, it's kind of
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more of the same, I don't know that there's really
much much else I can add, because it's clearly more
of the same. And by the way, for those that
aren't aware of this, you can simply, you know, google that,
because again, some of those are well documented.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you know, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
A conspiracy theorist or anything like that, but I suspect
that the ones that we know about is kind of
the tip of the iceberg, because there are lots of
things that people have gone to great lengths to try
to cover up so that we wouldn't find out about them,
and because of one mistake here or there, we ultimately do.
And it leads me to believe that there's got to
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be a number of people who have been able to
cover up things like this successfully and we will never
know the extent of the harm that was.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Actually done to black people.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Sad truth.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
All Right, finally, this from the Atlanta to Blackstar. And
you know what, I'm not even gonna give too much
here because the man who literally wrote the article is
with us today.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So I'll start us off a mire. You take it
where I drop it.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But Fannie Willis will continue as Fulton County District Attorney
after she was defeated or after she defeated Republican challenger
Courtney Kramer on election day. Willis, initially elected as DA
in twenty twenty one, made national headlines during a tenure
by indicting high profile figures such as President Donald Trump
and rapper Young Thug. Last week, Young Thug took a
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plea deal and was released with fifteen years probation. However,
Trump's reco case has yet to be resolved. But now
that Trump has been elected president, what will happen to
Willis's RICO case against him in Georgia? So that's enough
to get us rolling.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Again.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You are the author of the article, and it was
brilliantly written in well researched, so you know, bring us
up to speed on the latest with Fannie Willis and
what you suspect my happened moving forward.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah, So Findie Willis, Forton County District Attorney. She's pretty
much gained a lot of national attention due to the
rico charges that she labeled against two well known figures
of course, Rapper Young Thug and then President alect Donald Trump.
And I've been following this reco case over the past
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two years in terms of just her putting everything together.
I've interviewed her multiple times about this case. And I
was actually downtown at Rice Street, which is the jail,
the Forton County Jail, when Trump was booked into the
Fulton County jail, and so I've seen this thing unfold.
Finnie Willis has really she out of all the cases
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that Trump had over the past two years, she probably
had the most clear cut case in terms of getting
a conviction because she was able to get that recording
of Trump asking for over eleven thousand votes during the
twenty election, and that was a smoking gun. And so
if she was able to get this trial to in
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front of a jury, she was probably going to get
a conviction or some type of a plea, some type
of uh, something was going to happen in terms of
in her favor because she had a smoking gun. Now
with him becoming the president elect, it's really up in
the air in terms of what's going to happen next.
Most likely the case either gets put to the back
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burner or it goes away. Last month she actually went
to the Georgia Supreme courtket to get several charges against
Trump and his co defend its reinstated. This was like
October sixteenth, and so she's really just, you know, been
been full steam ahead in terms of trying to get
a conviction. Of course, I'm not sure if you guys
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have been following this ordeal or this case. But finally,
Willis pretty she was she had a relationship with a
special prosecutor on her team, Trum Trump's lawyers found.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Out, and they created this whole.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I would say it was a circus in terms of
trying to figure out if Fannie Willis benefited from this relationship.
The judge said that she didn't benefit from the relationship,
but what it did was it bought Trump time and
Paul and it basically created a distraction for several months
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and you know, a case that probably would have could
have gone to trial maybe this past summer kept getting delayed.
It was delayed, delayed, delay, And so now to him
Trump becoming the president of elect, We're not sure what's
going to happen with this case. It's probably going to
go away, but it's just it just shows you that,
you know, a lot of things can happen in terms
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of this justice system and Trump being able to get
away with a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You aren't learning about that. You let's get your final thoughts.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Here once again and following you and having all those
same thoughts that he's he's found a way without his
newly you know, gifted presidential immunity to avoid justice and
repercussion and any accountability. He's already done that as a
private citizen. Imagine once he's the president again and has
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a very very complicit, a blatantly flagrant corrupt Supreme Court
as the top court in the land for any you know,
accountability anybody Chuck tries to to bring to his door.
So I hope that she'd back away from a case
like this because she's going to make herself it could
be a dangerous soon to oppose him, And if you're
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going to oppose him on something like this where he's
most likely not even gonna like when there's kind of
like no path to him actually having to pay any
type of penalty, and you know that going in, why
make yourself a target in that way if you're her,
And like he said, he made a circus of a
private relationship she had that had nothing to do with
his case, and that also was you know, decided by
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a judge, did not have any impact on her career.
It kind of didn't matter in the end because what
they did was get the delays, and now he's the
president elect again and the court of public opinion matters.
And since he's painted everyone that's not him as fake news,
even when you do, you know, take it before a
judge and she's determined not to be in any type
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of way out of line, it doesn't matter. The emotional
damage has already been done. You've already upset people, You've
already made them look at her, down their own noise,
down their own noses. And once again everyone has to
be above report reproach.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
I'm sorry, except him, except him. Well, we're gonna keep
following this case like we always do. For now, I'd
like to thank you both very much for your time
and your insight once again. Saday's guests have been the
author of the book Trap History and the executive editor
of Atlanta Daily World, Minstery are Shaw and the Black
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is the Black Information.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Network Daily Podcast, and I'm your host, ramses Jah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, mister A. Rshaw, Welcome back to the show.
Dare I ask? How have you been? Hey? We have
to maintain That's all we had to do, was matin.
I'll take that. Cueboard man, what's the latest?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Same here? Man trying to tread water best I can.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Okay, well we're going to do it with everybody else now.
So first up, it's been a while, all right. First up,
it's from the Associated Press. Trump gained a larger share
of black and Latino voters than he did in twenty
twenty when he lost to Democrat Joe Biden, and most
notably among men under age forty five. According to AP
vote cast, a nationwide survey of more than one hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And twenty thousand voters.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Even as Democrat Kamala Harris won majorities of black and
Latino voters, it wasn't enough to give the vice president
the White House. Because of the gains Trump made economy
and jobs made men under age forty five more open
to Trump. Voters overall sided the economy and jobs as
the most important issue the country faced. That was true
for black and Hispanic voters as well. About three and
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black men under age forty five win for Trump, roughly
double the share he got in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Young Latinos, particularly young Latino men, also were more open
to Trump than in twenty twenty. Roughly half of young
Latino men voted for Harris, compared with about six and
ten who went for Biden. So I know that, you know,
in the aftermath of that election, we've had a lot
to sift through. Give us your thoughts on, you know,
(02:03):
the data that is still suggesting that black men have
and and Latino men of course have kind of abandoned
their democratic roots and kind of are up for grabs.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
A you're first, Yeah, I really think that's a Misnoman
in terms of black men.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You know, over the final two months of the before
election day, we saw these media out national media outlets
saying that, you know, Kamla Harris is gonna have a
problem with black men.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And we saw.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
In the final the final polls on the side of
the final totals is that it wasn't really black men,
and it was a lot of Latino mint black men.
Of course white men, but she did fairly well with
black men in terms of how many came out to
support her.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I just thought that was.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
A misnomer overall, and just you know, another reason to
kind of deflect them and put point blame on black men. Now,
for those who did Trump, I think it was kind
of a misguided situation in terms of just him being
able to perpetuate misinformation. In terms of what he did
for the economy. Uh, just to put out some stats
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for you under Trump his first administration, the economy lost
two point seven million jobs. The employment rate increased by
one point seven percent, paychase grew faster with an inflation
under Trump. The trade deficit under Trump, he promised to
reduce it and went up as well.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And uh, over three.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Million people lost lost their health insurance under Trump, and
so we've you know, in terms of the numbers, we
saw that Trump wasn't really better for the economy, but
he was able to perpetuate misinformation in terms of what's
happening now, how are your pockets, how how you know?
What are your what are your pockets saying to you
now in terms of just you know, what the overall
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economic picture is. And I thought that was just a
lot of misinformation, a lot of people not really understanding
the true statistics of what was happening during the first
Trump administration, and it kind of just taking in the
misinformation of what's being perpetuated.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now sure, sure, you know. And the thing about this though,
is that we three are, of course black men. You
live in Atlanta and Georgia. We live in Arizona, Q
and myself. These are both swing states. So we kind
of got the lion's share of you know, both sides
trying to get our attention, you know, in other places
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around the country that may not have been the case. Q.
Talk to us a bit about what this article is
saying and what you're getting from it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
What I'm getting from the article is just most of
what I observed in real time. Former President Trump does
a brilliant job of selling himself as a populist, as
a person that's more in touch with the working man,
even while insulting them to their face. He kind of
has a sense of understanding that there's a bit of
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laziness with regards to how we consume information. Oftentimes, the
first source we hear it from that's the best one
because that's where I heard it from first. And the
way that our minds reacting to information the first time
we take him in, I think kind of marries us
to how we felt when we got it. That's why
it's so hard, even when you give people more accurate
information for people to thank your minds. So I think
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what he did was if I say it out loud,
they'll assume it's true, especially if I say it first.
Kind of your parent comes home from work and you've
been mean to your sibling all day, but you run
until your parents the opposite. You know you got yours
in first, and now it's up to the other person
to prove or have a burden of proof.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So I think he showed up with a lot of
impressionable young mostly from the percentages that I saw Hispanic men,
but of course a lot of white men and some
black men with this idea that they'd been ignored and
unheard and he's going to be the one that's going
to come and represent them, even while saying to them,
I don't care about you, I only want your vote,
and hey, people that are riches, I'm going to give
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you tax breaks. Like he hasn't hidden his agenda. He
just throws some emotional, lying bait first, and once he
gets people hooked, he seems to have a hold. So
I think that's why so many, you know, men really
of all backgrounds kind of relate to this petulant bully
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free from consequence. It comes across as and maybe it
comes across as more real, more authentic, where if somebody
shows up and they're polished and they're more status quo. Again,
there's also this tendency you hear me say this all
the time, to be contrarian. So not only am I
identifying more with the strong dude who does and says
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it how it is and can do whatever he wants
and is going to be here to make sure that
we have money, because of course he said the economy
was better under him, even though we know that that's
not true. And even though we know that unemployment, job creation,
the the dip in the poverty level for people, especially
black people, for the Biden administration has been really, really strong,
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But the other side says it it's not, and people
who are already it's like people are so tuned into
him then they have to make what he says true
because of how he makes them feel about him. It's
it's kind of they end up I've said this to
you before as well, they end up defending themselves more
than defending him. And that's why they're so viet vehement
(07:29):
and passionate and angry. There's something in him that they
wish they were or that they also see in themselves.
So I think that's how he was able to even
penetrate and have the gains that he did.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think both of those observations are excellent. There's I mean,
we've gone on record saying that this was a surprise
for us, this outcome, for this election, and one of
the things that I don't want anyone to take away
from this is that black men abandoned black women in
their time of need. That's the last thing that we
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need is for that narrative to end up chronicled. I
see both shaking your heads for only people that are
only listening. So make sure we're the people know we're
all in agreement. Insofar as that is concerned. Black men
did not vote at a statistically relevant higher rate for
the Republican nominee this go round than they have in
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the past. You know, granted he had more black men
than the last election cycle this go around, but historic averages,
you know, black men voted for the Republican nominee at
about the same rate, and so there's no surprise here.
The only surprise is that there was a small gain
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when you compare Trump to Trump. In other words, there
are always going to be a group of black men
who are going to feel how they feel and vote
the way that they vot. But most of us showed
up and voted for Kamala Harris. Most black women showed
up and voted for Kamala Harris. I believe it was
(09:07):
like ninety two percent or something like that, and so
that that needs to be stated. I don't think that
AP was trying to mislead us with this article. I
think they're just kind of reporting the data. But if
a person just read the headline and then moved on.
It would suggest that somehow black people did Black men
(09:29):
rather did the same thing that Latino men did. I
think to your point Q about the messaging, you know,
I've read lots of things since the election that says that,
you know, kind of what you said, that people are.
You know, there is a lot of people that really
identified with Trump's persona, you know, free from consequences, saying
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and doing whatever he wants, you know, and they feel
that that's how the world should be. That they've been forgotten.
And you know, there's there's those people. There's people that.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Feel like.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know, again you said it right, his messaging about
their pockets and the economy and a mirror you said
this too, that how how do your pockets feel right
now compared to the last four years or compared to
the prior for your administration. That resonated with people just
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because of the way memory works, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I again, I'm still processing this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I don't want to pretend like I can look back
on this like a historian with twenty twenty vision. But yeah,
there's a lot of things that are going around it
are I guess reasons why men responded to Donald Trump
the way that they do, and now it appears as
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though we're going to, you know, live in that world
and see what that's like again with him this time
having no real guardrails and being able to do exactly
what he wants. And you know, he's kind of told
us what he's on. And so for all the Latino
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men and the black men and you know, everyone else
that decided to vote that way, I hope your belief
in him is well placed.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So we'll leave it there.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Moving on this from Athlon sports, forgive me if I
mispronounce that you guys are in for a ride here.
Colorado has taken a massive leap forward under head coach
Deon Sanders, improving from a four and eight record in
his first season with the program in twenty twenty three.
Upon signing his contract with Colorado before the twenty twenty
three twenty four season, Sanders agreed to a number of
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seasonal bonuses that were included in his five year, twenty
nine and a half a million dollar deal. After Colorado
won six games and became Bowl eligible, Sanders has received
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars as a bonus added
to that purse in week eleven with another one hundred
thousand dollars. So, amir, I'm going to kick this one
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back out to you. This sounds cool, so give me
your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, what's interesting though, I'll followed Deon Sander's journey
as a head coach even back when he was at
Jackson State University and decided to make that leap over
to Colorado initially before he got the job. But at Colorado,
the Colorado job was a really bad job, right, They.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Had only won one game.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think they were like one and eleven, and so
it was really he was really up against it in
terms of not really having the resources, in terms of
not having a talent. It was just a school that
was really forgotten in terms of football. And he was
pretty much put himself in a real in a situation
that didn't really seem favorable starting out because it's just
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aack of talent. And we saw the struggles last year
in that first year because it's just you know, it
really wasn't his team. He had a few players that
he bought over, you know, his sons, Travis Hunold, who's
probably going to be one of the top three pick
and so uh, we saw we've seen him turn this this,
uh this program around, and it's hard to turn around
college programs, uh, just because it's just you know, the
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way it's uh set up in terms of transfers, things
of that nature.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
He was He's been able to kind of do something
that a lot of people, uh, particularly in sports media, uh,
didn't think that he would be able to do in
terms of just turning this program around to the point
where they're really in a in a in a position
to contend for a national title. I don't personally think
they're gonna make it that far, but they have there are.
They do have a shot at a national championship game.
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And that was something that was pretty much unheard of
three or four years ago at this program. And so
we just have to commend the job that he's done
over the past three years.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Okay, one of the things I do remember about Dion
Sanders is that he came from an HBCU and everyone was.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Mad at him.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And I remember when he first went to the HBCU,
and I was like, how cool is that? And so
the fact that he brought those players with him, I'm
assuming they came from an HBCU or I may remember
that from the time. I think it shows everyone else
that HBCU players and programs are viable, because the reason
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we're having this conversation now is because sort of the
primordial oohs of this moment started at an HBCU and
these these this talent and this coaching and so forth
has come through there. So that's that's my connection to
the story, and that's all I got. But you know, Q,
I know you have more to offer this conversation than
I do.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
So that was I was lucky enough to go to
Boulder and spend some time around the team last season,
and you can see the impact that Coach Prime and
that team has had on that communit unity on that city,
you know, having conversations with the students about how different
it's felt since they arrived. Of course, he's due a bonus,
the financial windfall that has followed him from Jackson State
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to Voulder, Colorado. Those people are very, very happy with
the way that things are going, even with the you know,
I think a two hundred and fifty percent increase in
wins from the season before he got there last year.
But Coach Prime is so loud and so confident that
some people start to root for him not to be successful.
So him not having a great season in his first
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season should have been expected, and that should have been
a normal standard for normal coach. But of course Coach
Prime is not a normal coach, and when you bring
that kind of attention, they are going to be people
that resent you a bit. But the turnaround, even from
the year before he got there last year, he's now
about to double up on that, so he's he's improving
at a blistering rate. I got to make sure I
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get you up to one of those games, man, because
it really is a cultural experience in a city like Boulder,
which you and I had read before as a very
liberal city, is not a very diverse city. So a
lot of change in the cultural impact with Coach Prime
coming there, not just on the football field, but it's
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resonating throughout that community and throughout that school. So I'm
glad to see that. You know, there's some flowers for
him in the way of finances, not just snik using
thumbs up, because he's done a lot to change what
the expectations are of that program.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Today's guests include the author of the book Trap History, and.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
The executive editor of Atlanta Daily World, Mister A. R.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Shaw, and the Black Information Network's very owned toward all Right.
Next step from the Black Information Network. Residents in Shiloh,
a predominantly black community in southeastern Alabama, are accusing the
state of intentionally flooding their town through a highway expansion project.
Per the Atlanta Black Star, Shiloh has faced constant flooding
since twenty eighteen, when the state began to expand US
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eighty four from two lanes to four. Residents believe the
Alabama Department of Transportation discriminated against them because of how
they designed the highway drainage system. All of the drains
from the new stretch of the highway empty out near
homes in the predominantly black community, while white owned farmland
nearby avoided any runoff. The constant flooding has led to
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septic tank overflows and an influx of snakes, rats, and mosquitoes.
Residents are also struggling to keep up with rising home
owners insurance due to the flooding, and many homes have
gone unrepaired. Black residents in Shiloh followed a civil rights
complaint with the federal government two years ago alleging discrimination.
Federal officials recently announced the conclusion of their investigation into
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the situation. A settlement was reached with the Alabama Department
of Transportation to make a drainage system to curb flooding. However,
the Alabama DOT is not admitting to any wrongdoing, and
the Federal Highway Administration is also not concluding that the
state agency has violated any rule. There's also no guarantee
that residents will receive compensation for what's already been lost.
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Three residents were awarded five thousand dollars or less under
the condition that they won't sue the state. Shiloh residents
started a petition seeking a widespread compensation fund for relocation,
assistance and home repair. Some residents don't want to be
pushed out of the town, as black owned properties have
been passed down for generations.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
So this one was I mean, I have my thoughts,
but I'm here as always, let's get yours first.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, I think this kind of just reminds me of
situations that have occurred in the past, and absolutely just
what we saw in New Orleans with Katrina and you know,
the flood and that that occurred there. And those black communities.
It's happened in black communities. In Atlanta, we have a
community buying city that floods often. I'm not sure if
you guys have recalled a few months ago, but the
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widespread flooding that took place in the city of Atlanta,
a lot of that occurred within the within black communities.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And so we've seen this from from.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
An infrastructure issues, uh, in cities across the nation where
black communities are pretty much damaged because of these infrastructure issues.
And you know, it's it's fortunate that you you know,
we're we're under a federal government that actually took this
case on. I mean, it's not going to change the
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lives of a lot of the residents, but at least
they got an opportunity to put this case in front
of the federal government. We don't know what's going to
happen now with this Trump administration in terms of will
they actually take the time to look at civil rights
complaints like this, you know, and so I think we
have to really think about the repercussions of an administration
that may not take a complaint like this and actually
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even you know, take a look at it. Fortunately, the
government was able to get a settlement where they're making
the Alabama Department of Transportation to implement a drainage system
to curb the flooding, which is a good step, But
like I say, what happens next when they don't, you know,
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these these communities across the nation won't get the support
that's needed.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. And I
know that you know, Q. You're aware that we've discussed
a number of historic intentional floods and our way Black
History fact on civic cipher, So this is nothing new
(20:40):
to you.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But yeah, give us your thoughts here.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean environmental racism. There's a reason that that idiom
where that term exists. The number of examples throughout our
history in this country is endless. And seeing things like
this and like even the you can tell the the
disregard for the value of our lives that is present
throughout the society. Those settlement amounts, Yeah, like you're talking
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about one month's mortgage. Maybe maybe you know you're talking
about absolutely not enough money to make meaningful repairs on
the houses. And we'll give you this little bit of
money because we know you don't have anything. As long
as you agree not to sue us. And when you're
considering do I try to get my insurance company in
court or do I get groceries? You're going to take
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the little couple thousand dollars that they're offering you because
you're in a society that has you in a financial state.
And that was only three people that got five thousand
or less, by the way, or those are the type
of decisions that you're willing to make even though in
your heart you know they're not there. Yeah, you don't
really have a choice. So it's, you know, more of
the same. Unfortunately, and like my brother said, with consider it,
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having a government that wouldn't even look into something like that, Well,
you know, here we are.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know, back to what I was saying earlier.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
We did an episode where we looked into specifically flooding
of black communities over the years, like going back to
the eighteen hundreds and how frequently it happened, and how
very often black people were displaced. When the flooding subsided,
you know, the lands were reclaimed either through special assessments
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or taxes or whatever sort of new conditions written into
local laws that allowed the state or local non black
people to claim the lands or whatever. And these were
examples of black people being displaced, their economic powers being
stripped away from them, their homes and their livelihoods being
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stripped away from them, and then it being claimed by
white governments and families and individuals, and it being well
documented enough to where we can look back on it
one hundred plus years later and see how often it happens.
So when I look at something like this and I
hear both of you say, you know, it's kind of
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more of the same, I don't know that there's really
much much else I can add, because it's clearly more
of the same. And by the way, for those that
aren't aware of this, you can simply, you know, google that,
because again, some of those are well documented.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you know, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
A conspiracy theorist or anything like that, but I suspect
that the ones that we know about is kind of
the tip of the iceberg, because there are lots of
things that people have gone to great lengths to try
to cover up so that we wouldn't find out about them,
and because of one mistake here or there, we ultimately do.
And it leads me to believe that there's got to
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be a number of people who have been able to
cover up things like this successfully and we will never
know the extent of the harm that was.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Actually done to black people.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Sad truth.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
All Right, finally, this from the Atlanta to Blackstar. And
you know what, I'm not even gonna give too much
here because the man who literally wrote the article is
with us today.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So I'll start us off a mire. You take it
where I drop it.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But Fannie Willis will continue as Fulton County District Attorney
after she was defeated or after she defeated Republican challenger
Courtney Kramer on election day. Willis, initially elected as DA
in twenty twenty one, made national headlines during a tenure
by indicting high profile figures such as President Donald Trump
and rapper Young Thug. Last week, Young Thug took a
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plea deal and was released with fifteen years probation. However,
Trump's reco case has yet to be resolved. But now
that Trump has been elected president, what will happen to
Willis's RICO case against him in Georgia? So that's enough
to get us rolling.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Again.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You are the author of the article, and it was
brilliantly written in well researched, so you know, bring us
up to speed on the latest with Fannie Willis and
what you suspect my happened moving forward.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah, So Findie Willis, Forton County District Attorney. She's pretty
much gained a lot of national attention due to the
rico charges that she labeled against two well known figures
of course, Rapper Young Thug and then President alect Donald Trump.
And I've been following this reco case over the past
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two years in terms of just her putting everything together.
I've interviewed her multiple times about this case. And I
was actually downtown at Rice Street, which is the jail,
the Forton County Jail, when Trump was booked into the
Fulton County jail, and so I've seen this thing unfold.
Finnie Willis has really she out of all the cases
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that Trump had over the past two years, she probably
had the most clear cut case in terms of getting
a conviction because she was able to get that recording
of Trump asking for over eleven thousand votes during the
twenty election, and that was a smoking gun. And so
if she was able to get this trial to in
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front of a jury, she was probably going to get
a conviction or some type of a plea, some type
of uh, something was going to happen in terms of
in her favor because she had a smoking gun. Now
with him becoming the president elect, it's really up in
the air in terms of what's going to happen next.
Most likely the case either gets put to the back
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burner or it goes away. Last month she actually went
to the Georgia Supreme courtket to get several charges against
Trump and his co defend its reinstated. This was like
October sixteenth, and so she's really just, you know, been
been full steam ahead in terms of trying to get
a conviction. Of course, I'm not sure if you guys
(26:48):
have been following this ordeal or this case. But finally,
Willis pretty she was she had a relationship with a
special prosecutor on her team, Trum Trump's lawyers found.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Out, and they created this whole.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I would say it was a circus in terms of
trying to figure out if Fannie Willis benefited from this relationship.
The judge said that she didn't benefit from the relationship,
but what it did was it bought Trump time and
Paul and it basically created a distraction for several months
(27:25):
and you know, a case that probably would have could
have gone to trial maybe this past summer kept getting delayed.
It was delayed, delayed, delay, And so now to him
Trump becoming the president of elect, We're not sure what's
going to happen with this case. It's probably going to
go away, but it's just it just shows you that,
you know, a lot of things can happen in terms
(27:47):
of this justice system and Trump being able to get
away with a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You aren't learning about that. You let's get your final thoughts.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Here once again and following you and having all those
same thoughts that he's he's found a way without his
newly you know, gifted presidential immunity to avoid justice and
repercussion and any accountability. He's already done that as a
private citizen. Imagine once he's the president again and has
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a very very complicit, a blatantly flagrant corrupt Supreme Court
as the top court in the land for any you know,
accountability anybody Chuck tries to to bring to his door.
So I hope that she'd back away from a case
like this because she's going to make herself it could
be a dangerous soon to oppose him, And if you're
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going to oppose him on something like this where he's
most likely not even gonna like when there's kind of
like no path to him actually having to pay any
type of penalty, and you know that going in, why
make yourself a target in that way if you're her,
And like he said, he made a circus of a
private relationship she had that had nothing to do with
his case, and that also was you know, decided by
(29:02):
a judge, did not have any impact on her career.
It kind of didn't matter in the end because what
they did was get the delays, and now he's the
president elect again and the court of public opinion matters.
And since he's painted everyone that's not him as fake news,
even when you do, you know, take it before a
judge and she's determined not to be in any type
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of way out of line, it doesn't matter. The emotional
damage has already been done. You've already upset people, You've
already made them look at her, down their own noise,
down their own noses. And once again everyone has to
be above report reproach.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
I'm sorry, except him, except him. Well, we're gonna keep
following this case like we always do. For now, I'd
like to thank you both very much for your time
and your insight once again. Saday's guests have been the
author of the book Trap History and the executive editor
of Atlanta Daily World, Minstery are Shaw and the Black
Information That Works very own. This has been a production
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of the Black Information Network. Today's show was produced by
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