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Speaker 1 (00:00):
During the height of the COVID nineteen global pandemic, doctor
Antoine Jasmine lost both of his parents to the virus
within hours of each other, and the story was covered
on CNN. Now, doctor Jasmine is using his experience with
loss and helping others navigate their own grief as well,
and his words, dealing with grief is a year round
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journey to navigate, and the holidays often amplify that feeling
of hopelessness, which adds additional weight on our mental health journey.
This year is unique because the election cycle is not
making our journey to mental health any easier. Here to
discuss grieving, protecting your mental health, and forging a path
forward is the author of the book Beauty of the Ashes,
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Doctor Antoine Jasmine. This is the Black Information Network Daily podcast.
I am your host, q Ward Doctor. How are you good?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
How are you, sir? Is great to be here, great
to be alive, and we're just going to take these
holidays and make the best of this moment.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, sir, So, for an audience who are just now
getting familiar with you, tell them a little bit about
your story and what led you to this conversation that
we're having today.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, I've always been to go to guys to help
people during that time of tragedies and helping them to
cope with life's problems, and then not knowing that twenty
twenty would it be the year that I will face
my double mountains by losing both parents on the same day.
So you're looking at two funerals, to arrangements and all
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that goes with that. So we're definitely a very dark
dark season for me. But you know, beautiful the ashes
you tay for what is it, the good times, the
bad times, learn from it and receive those deposits that
my parents did. You get to reflect on your childhood.
Death has a way of just getting you to reflect
way back when. So it's been definitely a good journey,
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but a journey of reflection and being able to take
from it and grow from it and move from it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So when learning about your story, I read that your
parents renewed their vows right before their passing. I can't
imagine how difficult that moment was. Can you tell us
a little bit about how you were able to navigate
that money?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, it was nine months prior to the death of
them in twenty twenty. I can remember because I actually
officiated the ceremony for the renewal, So it felt weird.
It felt very strange. I was very emotional for some
apparent reason, and my dad was very emotional. And he's
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not really a expressive guy much, he's kind of I
get it from him a little bit. I can navigate
my mom's emotions and my dad. I'm the youngest of three,
and this was strange. But nine months later myself bearing them,
So it was very strange. But it was almost like
a premonition from the universe to say, hey, something is
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about to happen, to prepare yourself for impact. So that
experience was kind of, you know, fair, you know, at
least I got some premonition that something was coming, but
not quite clear what it is of what was it coming.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, hearing hearing that part of the story, and then
knowing the title of the book, it really brings that together.
As a person who's who's hearing this story for the
first time, and for listeners who are just now being
introduced to you and the things that you've experienced. You
spoke about the holidays and how the holidays tend to
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amplify those feelings of loss. Tell us a little bit
about why you think that happens.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Why I think that happens is because you're you're living
in one. The first year was okay, but it seemed
time as time progressed, it didn't get better. The grief side,
no my mom's birthday, my dad's birthday, the anniversary death,
holidays and then experiencing those moments without them is very heartbreaking.
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But there's always a support system. So I would encourage
people who are listening, you know, qualify your support system.
They maybe no one could replace my mother, but there
are certain sarrogance out there that has a genuine, organic
love for me that kind of organically reach out to
me during that time without me asking. So I think
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that holidays is a reflection the music, the Christmas music.
You just have to know it's coming and prepare yourself
for what's coming and just do something different. So one Christmas,
EY spend Christmas in Africa, so it was different than
one the holiday. I flew to Europe on Christmas Eve,
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so I wouldn't have to reflect on those negative energies
without looking at something in a strange place. So kind
of shifting a bit helped me to cope with that
healing process, not to ignore it, but just to kind
of weather through it. Because Christmas is only one day,
a birthday is only one day. We can't make a
culture out of pain and suffering and grief.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I lost my father when I was in high school,
and my mother is a two time cancer survivor who
is still battling a litany of other ailments. And during
those most difficult moments for me, I shut down and
I kind of close into myself. You took a very
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very difficult moment for you, and you gave us a book.
Tell us about Beauty of the Ashes and why you
thought it was important to write it and share how
you dealt with these difficult moments where for a lot
of people and for me in particular, the natural inclination
was to kind of close into myself. You actually turn
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that experience into something to help others. So tell us
a little bit about writing the book and why you
thought that was important.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think writing a book because they reflects on the
store of my parents, and the most precious people in
my life span have been my parents. Anything else is
fall underneath the underneath that tear of love, because they
birthed me, they loved me with an unconditional love that
cannot be replaced. No other being have done that with
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me on the face of my existence. So my mother
was a very spiritual woman. She prayed a lot of
prayers concerned her family, concerning her husband, my dad, who
was at a point in his life, was very not
faithful to her, and she weathered through that situation. That
gave her a small mental breakdown. So her youngest boy,
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which is me, went to her rescue her from that,
and it worked. And her prayers concerned in my dad.
Her prayers concerned in my brothers. I have a brother
who was faced with life prison in prison, she prayed
that of his release, and two years ago, two years
after the death, he was released with my assistance, but
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with my mother's prayers. Prayers require, you know, legs and
hands and feet. So I wanted to at least, you know,
I'm the youngest boys. I want to obey my parents.
I want to do what makes them happy, because I
realized where they are unable to do some physical things,
I'm here, I'm able to do some physical things. So
I wanted to put that story of that process of
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her prayers and her journey in the book and the
journey of my father, his journey in the book to
let them know no matter family has their chef crisis
and disfunctions, but in the intim of things we want,
they were able to, you know, see all of their
boys become very success. They were able to reconcile their
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differences and infidelity. So they acted life victoriously because it
was accomplished. And I just put the still of being
the youngest boy on what was required for the oldest
boy who was face with a prison charge, with face
with life sentence to bring him out. So that book
gives hope that God, the universe, moving parts can to
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restore broken pieces of family and make sense of it.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
We are here today with the author of the book
Beauty of the Ashes, doctor Antoine Jasmine, discussing grieving, protecting
your mental health, and forging a path forward. Doctor Jasmine,
I am listening to you tell your story and the
similarities are almost shocking. I am my mother's youngest son
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and her oldest son is in print and as we speak,
and you talk about the power of prayer, and my
mother is a pastor and a praying woman. So I'm
listening to your story and it's almost like looking into
the mirror. We grieve in different ways, and you were
selfless enough to share your story to help really all
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of us who have to deal with grieving and kind
of share your story and know that we're not by ourselves.
Let's talk about the grieving process. What are some steps
that people can take or consider if they are mourning
the loss of a loved one or you know, just
lost in general.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, there's no expiration date on grief. Grief is a
long journey, is a life journey of grieving. The Bible
says that Jesus was acquainted with grief. He was a
man to have sorrow. I mean that's by it, but
I think we missed that part. He was a man
of sorrow and acquainted with grief because life is filled
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with as the Thomas would say, to transition. So because
I was created a self selfish leader, a servant, I
was able to acquire a therapeutic way of dealing with
the Greek by writing a book, I think, and during
the pandemic I wrote about five books, and one books
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was that One of those books were dedicated to my parents.
So one is acceptance is accepting that what has happened
except what God have allowed. So that's a process acceptance
that they're not coming back, Accepting that the house they
lived in they're not coming back. So I to deal
with that, going to the house and uh this, you know,
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their personal items and things that goes with letting go acceptance.
H Two is moving on to accept a new way
of living, a new way of life, a strategy, having
a strategy just to know that the moves I made
before to be different, the holidays are going to be different,
and put plans in place to offset that cycle of
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staying in a dark place. So and three is forgiveness,
forgiven yourself. Know when we go through the could have,
would have, should if I would have been there, and
all the things that goes with that forgiven yourself. Maybe
I felt I could have spent more time with my parents,
but I had assignments. I've traveled the world, you know,
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speaking to audiences from Indians, from Latinos Africans and all
those things, and I look, I said, well, maybe I
could have spent more time with them, And but those
are all settlements having to forget, forgive yourself, and let
go and move from it. And so I think those
are three steps that I think is critical to a
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healthy grieving process, because grieving does not stop. It comes
from sorrow to laughter. You may grieve and laughed about
may quiet and you laughing about a joke a dad stated,
or your mom or something it did, and you know,
just being family, having great times every family and unions
and just those intimate times. So it is a process,
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but it can be a beautiful journey when we discover
our new I believe in death there is a new
discovery of one's stuff, and you have to discover your
stuff in the midst of that process.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know, it's interesting that you wrote a book during
the pandemic when we faced isolation at levels that we
were not familiar with, and then there was the uncertainty
of the pandemic and vaccines and just this unknown world
that people were dealing with. It took a very unexpected
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mental toll on you know, really the world population, not
just the US. In the wake of this most recent
election and what that means for a lot of Americans,
there are a lot of us who are dealing with,
you know, a unplanned or unexpected mental health space right now.
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With the practices that you've laid out on different ways
to try to deal with loss and different ways to
try to exercise good mental health. What are some things
that you can tell us you know about how to
make sure we don't get too down or too stuck
in a dark place. Right now in the wake of
this most recent election.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well again we go back to acceptance. We have to
accept what have been allowed and deflect some things, and
we all have, whether you're a Democratic or Republican. That
was expectation. On the Democratic side. We thought we were
going to make a historical being a black man, a
historical landmark of the first woman president. All right, well
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it didn't happen. Doesn't mean can happen. So just acceptance
and prepare yourself for the next president. For twenty twenty
twenty twenty eight, prepare yourself for what could happen in
your personal stability, whether it be financial. I believe that
in the midst of what we call mental health, I
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have a lot of opinions about politics, but I think
that we have to accept it and move from it
because it's coming. The new president will be Donald Trump again,
and accept that. And in the midst of that, he's
not God. He has he's an elected official. There is
going to be odds against him even as he all
proposing policies. But your faith in God God have allowed it.
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So I believe God is going to trust. God will
take care of his people and the youth. The earth
is the laws, the foodness thereof, so I'm not overly
concerned about it. But there's a plan within the plan.
I believe that even in the midst of the pandemic,
people passed away, but people became multi millionaire bigonnaires through
what we're doing now more zoom calls and virtual platform
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So in the midst of this presidential seat, there are
still yet a silver line at in all of this
to bring us to a higher height and deeper depth.
I don't think that God will allow us to go
back to enslavement as a people. I believe that we
just have to find the treasures in all of the
darkness and find a tune in the midst of all the.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Noise, Doctor Jasmine, to say I appreciate your encouraging and
comforting words will be an understatement, so thank you for
sharing them with us. For those of us who want
to know what's new in your world, give us an
idea of what's next for you or what you got
coming up?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well, we have a few books coming up. So matter
of fact, I was just on a call with my
editor about some books that we're going to do released
in twenty twenty five. So we are gearing toward the
new year now. So we pretty much holding out the year.
I got some travels, I got cruise. I'm going on
things given week because I didn't want to be home
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for the sobbing of you know, families, so I'll be
on the place of people that loved me and say hey,
we're gonna go on the cruise. So I'm gonna make
that work. So uh so, pretty much I'm done for
the year. It's just strategy for the new year. So
we did doing some writing and new revisions or some things,
and and look forward to what's coming and just prepare
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for what I believe is new things for me, new
opportunities through this grief process. I met you, which is
a great no uh no personality for radio and beyond.
I thank God for you and this opportunity to speak
to God's people. And if you're looking to find me
on my website for some of the the subscriptions I've
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written is www dot a m Jworldwide dot Com and
you can get a full spread of who I am
and what is taking place. I do have some relationships
in Europe, so we have a community work there in
the Netherlands, which is a Dutch speaking country, and we
have a good over about maybe close to two hundred
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followering there. So I plan to go there before the
end of the year and just you know, impart in
them and I have some that leadership there that is
doing a great work. This young man followed me and
from there came a you know, a community that loved
d An twine jasline. So it's very rewarding. How God
did it. God knew it was coming that was going
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to hit me, but he for reserve. He created a
net for me so I would not spiral into my end.
But it's birth, a new beginning for me, all of
the noise and all of the tragedies.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I want to first say it's an honor to meet
you and connect with you as well. Tell us about
how what are other ways we can support you. You
gave us your website, but give us any social media
that you have, because I know that they're going to
be listeners who want to support what you're doing and
keep up with the work that you're going to be
doing moving forward.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Okay, well you can follow me of course the website
I gave that and you go Instagram, antwine Jasmine or
Facebook an twine, m Jasmine. And of course my YouTube
subscription would be that is profit aid Jasmine and that
would be it. And of course I do consultations. We
do business consulting, mentoring and business finances, family and those
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attributes of consulting. Actually yesterday someone from Armenia reach out
to them and the area in California because I've traveled,
you know, to different nations and they consult with me
and on a monthly basis, so there is a phenomenal fee,
but they are rewarded. They realize what I speak is,
you know, it worked. The direction that I give is profile,
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so it helps them. So I do consultant. I have
a PhD. Of course in counseling. That's what I do.
So you want that consultation, you can you know, inbox
me on any of the platforms or call any number
of websites you can reach me and we would love
to walk you through your journey of grief, business, family,
whatever it is. Help finances. We do it all and
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we've been able to successfully help people walk in that
journey of success and prosperity.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well, doctor, thank you very much for coming to share
your insights with us. Just your overall commitment to the
work that you're doing. You know you are successful, informed,
and you know you are inspiring the future of our community.
Once again, today's guest the author of the book Beauty
of the Ashes, doctor Antoine Jasmine, discussing grieving, protecting your
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