October 22, 2024 • 34 mins
On today's podcast, Host Ramses Ja and cohost Q Ward talk exclusively with Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. Part 1 of a 2 part interview
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the Black Information Network Daily podcast and I'm
host ramses Ja And sometimes the amount of stories that
make their way to us means that we simply can't
cover everything that comes our way. But from time to time,
a story just stays with me and I feel compelled
to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing. You know, one of the
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great things about being able to function in this capacity
is that we often find ourselves rubbing shoulders with folks
that we look up to. One of them including today's guest,
Jasmine Crockett. And after bumping into her and a few
cities around the country, we were finally able to get
some time with her in front of some microphones in
Arizona as she made a stop to the Arizona Democratic Headquarters.
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And this is part one of that conversation hosted by myself,
Ramsey's Ja and q Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So one of the things that we talk about a
lot on this show is the state of things in
the political arena in recent years. We've seen a number
of villains rise to various moments throughout again recent history,
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and we always have a new reason to be concerned
about our future. I won't spend too much time discussing
that because these villains have been well discussed and they're
often delineated on this very program. But another thing that
we get is we get heroes. And one of the
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heroes that we've discussed on this program many times, actually
we have the honor of sitting with and talking to today.
She is the Clapback Queen herself. Today we are joined
by the one and only Jasmine Craft.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Welcome to the show. Thank you so much. I did
not know where you were going was that. It definitely
didn't think that I would be the one wearing the
cape at the end of that, But I appreciate your
kind thoughts and words. Sure, sure, it's because we are
living in some very dangerous times.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
One of the things that we end up dealing with
on this show is positioning black women in a way
that people can see them the way that we see them.
And often I put Q in the in the Yeah,
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I put him out in front to say this, but
I'll say it this time. On this show and all
of our shows, we affirm that the black woman is
as close to God as we can be on this planet.
And so when we suggest that you know, black women
come to the rescue, black women are wearing the capes.
That's something that we mean and when we've meant that
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the entire time that we've been in this space. So
you know, for our long time listeners, they understand that
to be very true. But there are some people who
are new to the show, of course, and people who
are just now getting engaged in politics. Maybe they've just
come of age, or maybe this particular election cycle is
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of interest to them. So for those people who admittedly
is a very small amount of folks, i'd imagine, but
for those people who are not familiar with who you are,
give us a little bit of background just to bring
them up to speed for the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah. Absolutely so. I am, I guess technically considered a politician.
I hate to be classified as a politician, but since
I am the congresswoman that probably represents Texas thirtieth Congressional District,
which is anchored in Dallas County, Texas, I am a freshman.
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Our terms are two years at a time, and so
I'm in the second year of my first term. I
have been considered to be the most viral member of
Congress during this current term, and you know, in recent times,
I've done all these interviews where people have asked me
about the virality and do you know what's happening when
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it's happening, and you know, are there things that you
can do to try to make it happen? And I
tell people all the time that it's the unadulterated, unfiltered,
raw moments, never the prepared remarks that go viral, and
just to kind of give the listeners a little bit
more acclamation. I am an attorney by trade, and so
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I did criminal defense work. I did civil rights work
as well as some personal injury stuff. But I was
a trial lawyer. I wasn't a death lawyer. I was
the girl that showed up in court. And I've represented
anywhere from capital murder all the way down. And so
I tried cases for almost two decades before coming to Congress.
And I tell people all the time, I don't really
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like people to come in front of me and waste
my five minutes, because that's all we get, is five minutes.
And so my ability to cross examine people and get
my point across quickly has really helped me in Congress
and knowing quote unquote my case, knowing what it is
that is the subject matter of any potential hearing at
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any point in time allows me to be able to
deal with whatever lies somebody tries to live out there.
I tend to be the girl that consistently wants to
rise to the occasion of recognizing that black folk are great,
and no matter how many times they try to disparage us,
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whether it's because of the color of my skin or
whether it's because I'm a woman, I'm going to make
you feel really bad that you tried and so. But
even in doing that, you know, I look at representation
completely different. My official title is that I'm a US representative,
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and for so long I have heard so many people
say I just don't really feel like I'm seen or
heard or represented. And I never wanted to be that person.
I wanted people to say, I have a representative that
is sitting at the table and making sure that my
position is heard. And it is those moments, in my opinion,
that go viral because it is it's not the norm,
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it's the exception. When the norm should be whatever community
you come from, your representative should sound like you, look
like you, and should be lobbying the case for the
issues that matter most for you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
The first time we got to connect with you in
person was at the National Urban League National Convention, but
we have been cheerleaders and supporters in the stands waiving
on pom pomps for you long before that. At that time,
all of us were very excited about some news that
we had just gotten regarding the Democratic ticket for the
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office of president. Our vice president has been very vocal
about her feeling like she needs to earn people's votes,
specifically black men, so she doesn't feel she's entitled to
them just because she's black. What are some of the
issues you think are important to that base that she's
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trying to reach and whose votes that she's now trying
to earn.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, yeah, I love her, you know, thank you for
giving that level set. And I'm just going to say
this real quick before I answer your question. I think,
as black people in general, we have always been the
ones that have never shied away from hard work. We
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aren't given positions on boards, we're not given positions in government,
we're not given positions in schools like we're not the
legacies that get admitted to these institutions. We've had to
work and earn every single thing that we've ever gotten,
and the fact that the Vice President is absolutely committed
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to going out and earning the votes, taking her fight
straight to the people. I mean, you know, I think
I don't sleep, and then I think about her schedule
and then I'm like, I'm like, but she got a PJ.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So ma.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Because I'm like running through the airport, like, yes, can
you get me through screening so I can get to
my next city. But nevertheless, I definitely don't have time
to pity myself as I have the privilege of going
around the country and and arguing and making a case
for why the Harris Walls ticket is the ticket that
is the Team USA ticket, the ticket that will look
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out for all of us and not leave anybody behind.
I appreciate the fact that she, as well as Governor Walls,
are not afraid of hard work because they both came
from places in which they weren't born into fortune. They
weren't given four hundred million dollars when they entered this earth. Instead,
they had to work to get everything that they've ever gotten,
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and so that's why they're not afraid of the hard work.
As it relates to black Man specifically, I can say
that I've had a number of conversations with black men,
and I think one of the things that kind of
frustrates me in general when we start talking about the
election is that I really do subscribe to the idea
that none of us are a monolith, no one, and
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so there isn't one kind of happy pill for any
one group of people. I will say that there some
targets that are on specific groups that no matter what
your priorities are, the same targets are coming for you.
And so I think it is important not only for
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us to highlight the alternative and talk about the targets
that are on our collective backs, whether we're talking about
the fact that Donald Trump specifically wants to get rid
of criminal immunity for law enforcement officers. As we have
just now gotten to the point that we have prosecutors
that have the audacity to say that law enforcement isn't
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necessarily above the law, we can still probably count on one,
maybe two hands, the number of prosecutions that we've seen
in this country for law enforcement officers that have gone
out and shot us did like we were dogs in
the street, right, And so that's a collective target because
we have someone where you know, there are those of us,
as someone who's done the civil rights work and know
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how difficult it is to get around qualified immunity and
things like that, because what we'll have is we end
up being killed and we don't get any criminal justice,
and we usually don't get any civil justice. And so
as we've been pushing the envelope for getting rid of
qualified immunity so that the civil remedies are available when
one of us is killed, now he not only doesn't
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obviously is not going to support the civil side, but
once I go even further and say, for those few
progressive prosecutors that have thought that your life mattered enough
that they would actually prosecute a police officer, I don't
want that to happen anymore. And so that's a collective target.
Now when I talk to some other brothers about the
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things that matter most to them, for some of them,
it's I will say, collectively, there's a number of them
that talk about small business ownership, and they don't like
the idea of potentially Democrats trying to push on quote
unquote hand me out like they want they I don't
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want you to just say, oh, we're going to try
to get you a good job, you know, a good
union paying job. Like there are black men that are like,
I don't want to go work for somebody else, Like
I want my own business. What are you going to
do to help me create my own generational wealth and
have my own legacy to leave behind. And so I
think that's why you hear her really making the point
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not just for black men, but like generally speaking for
those that are saying, you know what, I want my
own small business. And so this five thousand dollars tax
benefit that you used to get when you start a
small business, She's like, you can't do nothing with five
thousand dollars. She's like, that's only going to help you
if you got a concept of a business, right, Like
she was like, right, exactly right. So she's up in
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that TOIL fifty thousand. We've not really talked very much
about the record, but we know that there were a
record number of small businesses and black owned businesses specifically
that were able to benefit. As relates to everybody know
about PPP. Some people got in trouble with people got
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in trouble with the PPP, but you know, but it
truly did and we've seen a record number of newly
created black owned businesses because of the loosening of the
rains a little bit and making sure and definitely the
initial rollboat was bad. If people remember, first of all,
these were democratic policies that were pushed to the House
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in the Senate, but it was under Donald Trump who
was still president when the first policies were pushed through,
and what we saw was that the only people that
got money where people didn't even need the money. We
saw NFL and NBA teams and all of them, they
all had access to capital, and the little guys didn't.
It wasn't until we got rid of Donald Trump and
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we ended up with President Biden that they actually started
to make sure that those small businesses that were complaining
that the big banks weren't giving them access to these loans.
If people really I think back, it's like you try
to go and apply for the PPP law and they
say all the money had already been given out and
it was the big guys that got it. The small
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guy only started getting it when Democrats controlled every lever
the House, the Senate as well as the White House.
So I think that that's one of the issues. Another
issue that has been brought up his criminal justice reform,
and so you know, there also was this selective memory
or it's just a failure of us to really talk
about and brag because Democrats are terrible about bragging. Republicans
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will take credit for stuff they have none to do,
but Democrats won't even brag on Stuffy didn't done right.
And so you know, they felt as if there were
some changes that were made on the federal level while
Trump was in office. None of that, again was initiated
under Trump. He signed it into law. So yes, should
we say, okay, thank you for signing it into law.
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We can, but don't conflate that with that actually being
one of his policy positions that he actually lobbed. When
we look at the things that he lobbed, he lived
and got us the Supreme Court. If you think that
Trump is looking out for us, just look at our
Supreme Court justices and right now their approval rating is
the lowest that has historically ever been. Because it's his justices.
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They got rid of affirmative action. And for those that
you know, I don't know what different opinions may exist
around affirmative action. Affirmative action has never been about a gimme.
That's never what it did. What it did is said, listen,
all you got is a bunch of lily white people.
Those are the only people you will consider. There is
greatness that exists in some of these people that aren't
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lily white. That's all it is. But you don't get there.
And somehow they gonna give you. Well, because you was
an affirmative action in mission hooding, you get an extra
ten points on every test like that, ain't what it
is like. You got to survive, like you've got to
make it in and you've got to survive. But it
at least makes them actually look at you and say,
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you know what, let's open up this pool of candidates.
And so now what we've seen is we've seen a
decrease in the enrollment of diverse students at these IVY
leagues and other pwis. And what we've seen is that
there's a higher demand for HBCUs. And when we think
back to Donald Trump, now, one thing that presidents can do.
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Presidents always do is they put out their budget and
that signals to the Congress, these are the things that
we want to do. This is how I want to
place money. But at the end, of the day. The
budget belongs to the Congress, it doesn't belong to the president.
So he's just kind of like, this is my roAP,
please follow it, especially if we control, if the same
parties control the House, is in it. When Donald Trump
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put out his budget, he wanted to zero out funding
for HBCUs. That was his proposal, is to zero out
HBCU money and to give credit where credit is due.
It was a Bush that had agreed to this level
of funding, which is definitely not where we need our
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hbc used to be. But it was something, and it
was a Republican. It was a Bush that signed the
initial funding into law for our HBCUs. So this was
two hundred and fifty three million dollars. But Trump saw
it as an opportunity to do a photo op. And
so after a black woman in North Carolina who attended
an HBCU, who taught at an HBCU. Doctor Adams was
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doctor Adams, my cbc colleague, who fought to get that
money back. And so once it came back, he then
invited all the HBCU presidents in for a photo and
so everybody's like, see Donald Trump was seting care of
HBCU's not really not really guys, kind of like those
SIMMI checks, not really, not really, not really guys. So
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they did that. But then when people, you know, I
was constantly kind of going in on people before the
vice president became the nominee, where people felt away, they
felt led down. They were like, well, you know, she's
the vice president, but I mean, what has she done.
I'm like, first of all, if you can't name five
other vice presidents, were not about that this conversation. Let's
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start there, like you at least need to be able
to name five other vice presidents and correct. But most
people can't get to the nights right because most people
don't look at a vice president at all. I mean,
a vice president is a supporting cast member, and she
has been integral. And I think that Joe Biden takes
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a different stance. He tries to do more of a
partnership type of situation, kind of like what he came
into with Barack Obama, and so I think that that's
kind of how he tries to govern. That led to
a record sixteen billion dollars with a b I sixteen
billion dollars or of investment into HBCUs it mattered that
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there was an HBCU grad that was sitting there as
the second in command. And not even just from the
monetary standpoint, I mean when we look at Howard and
the spike in applications just once she became, because then
it's not for so long there's been these limitations. If
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you went to an HBCU and she's defied the limitations,
she's on the verge of becoming the most powerful person
in the world, and she graduated from a hbc And
so I think that that really tells, if I had
to tell a story about black people in general, is
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that we are more resilient than any other form of
people that we've ever met. When you think about our
presence here, they can talk about kicking us out and
this and that, But we ain't asked to come here.
We got dragged here, to be clear, right like, we
got dragged here and we labored and we built correct.
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We built this country and we're still here. And while
we still have so many obstacles that we still get
faced with, we somehow persist. And if I had to
send one message to my black man is to know
that like there never should be competition, I appreciate that
you laid out kind of the historical context of your
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show and being clear that you've always uplifted black women.
I see no reason for any of us to fight
one another. I love my black men. I know that
I probably wouldn't necessarily be here but for black men
in my life, because it was a group of black
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male lawyers that are like my brothers that came to
me and was like, you got to run, and we
know it costs money. We put money down. The first
people to bet on me were black men like that
was who was like, let me invest in you. And
so I think that we have to appreciate that collectively,
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this world has never given us our due. And so
one thing is for sure, regardless as to whether or
not you agree with her one hundred percent or not
at all, one thing is for sure is that she
understands the struggles that this life presents to you more
than any white man ever will. And so you know,
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regardless of what's what. But like I keep saying, they're
gonna kick me off the trail, because I never I
never say what they tell me to say. Number one
and number two, I remember, I'll make this final point
that y'all can move on. I went to North Carolina
and I was doing a fundraiser for the Victory Fund.
And this was soon after Arkelly's not r Kelly. That's
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messed up. I don't call them mar Kelly Puffy this
soon after challenge and call them are a lot of virtus. Yeah,
that clearly in my mind anyway. Nevertheless, and so I said,
if you want a better example of how this country
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views us, no matter how much money we have and
how the systems are inequitable, look at Diddy's situation and
look at Trump's. Now, I'm not saying either one of
them is right. I'm not saying either one of them
is wrong. Y'all know, come from the defense side. So
I will give Trump his thirty four felony convictions wrong
because he been convicted. He's still got other stuff that
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he's technically resumed instant for same thing with Diddy. But
here's the deal. Did he have bad cases? Definitely, not
thirty four counts of them so far. He got him
in one jurisdiction, he didn't get let out, y'all. They
did not release him. Right. And here it is, Trump
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had close to ninety he had over eighty something counts
in four different jurisdictions, then ultimately got found guilty and
was going in talking about the judges, talking about the
judges starter in New York doing all kinds of things. Now,
in my experience, the most cases I ever have for
one defendant was a little under forty. He had thirty
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something counts. He didn't have a record. It was his
first time being in trouble, and he did it with
a bang, for sure, But the fans got them as
well as the state. He never got out like, he
never got released pre trial. So I don't want people
to be fooled into believing that because he's been subjected
to the criminal justice system that they're in any similar
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kind of level of understanding, because I would argue that
he's barely been subjected to the criminal justice system, because
I know, I've had to represent protesters. I've had protesters
to spend more time in jail than Donald Trump, and
you know, and I got them off of their cases.
So no, this isn't equitable. He doesn't understand. He wouldn't
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know what it was like to walk a day in
one of our shoes, where you get brought up on
charges that really are not significant at all, and you
are being forced into takeing a plea. He doesn't know
that life like that is a completely different life from
what we experience in the black community. The same people
that feel like the criminal justice system has never been just,
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but it's only been injus right. That's he's living the
type of criminal justice system we was looking for, the
one that said, oh I got all these cases, but hey,
you know what that presuma, let me be out. I'm
gonna be good. I'm a clown the judges and everybody else. Yeah,
I mean literally like intimidating witnesses, all this kind of thing.
You ain't catch a whole other fifty kind of cases
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like this is it's it's insane.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, it's insane. You know, there's.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
There's something that I think is really interesting that taking
place here. You're absolutely right, you know, for all of
the things that have happened, let's go back to let's
go back to like the Me Too movement for a second,
where I think this concept started to jail. You know,
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listen to black women, bet on black women, believe black women,
you know, all this sort of stuff. And then of
course that had swelled up to twenty twenty, and then
it skyrocketed ever since then. And then now we're celebrating
black girl magic and black boy joy and all this
sort of stuff, but hyper focused on our women, you
know what I mean. We need to find lost black women,
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we need to dedicate more media resources, we need to
all these sorts of things, right, this concerted effort that has,
in my estimation, included black men. It's so interesting to
see the breakdown of that when it comes to voting
for a black woman, right. And you know, no one
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is going to agree one hundred percent with anyone else.
We're all different people, right, No one is going to
get anything one hundred percent right. But one of the
things that I believed, that we understood in the majority
of the past decade is that if we were working together,
that cohesiveness would allow us to accomplish more, to move
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the needle to change and shape outcomes, particularly for the
black community. And if we shape those outcomes around the
sensibilities of black women, we would all be okay. This
is what I thought. So for me, it was very
interesting to see this breakdown right at this intersection of
what we have a black woman who can now be
the most powerful human being on earth, and black men
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of all people are standing around like no, oh, no, right,
So let's you know, in your opinion, let's take it
back a little bit, because in this moment we're seeing
the breakdown. But I'm curious what kind of led up
to that. So let me ask the question this way.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
We recall.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Covering sort of an erosion of support from black men
to the then presumed Democratic nominee Joe Biden, and that
felt a little weird because that group of people had
historically been reliably democratic, and then obviously with the announcement
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of Kamala Harris taking the reins of the future of
the Democratic Party, there had been some ground recovered. But
as we've been discussing, there are still some black men
who are holding out. And I wonder if there are
some historical like how has this group of people gotten here?
In your estimation, having talked to black men around the country,
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what pieces are many of us missing? Because I think
we know those pieces we can start trying to rebuild.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Certainly, folks like I think, okay, so I'll say it
this way. Democrats are very good at basis. We can
you know, you would imagine that projects when twenty five
would have been ours. I mean, we are the ones
that speak in these large, kind of very deep, you know,
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but that's not what the other side does. And when
we look at the numbers across the board, the numbers
are clear that the more educated folk are tending to
kind of dig a little deeper, and we are getting
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the lion's share of those that are more educated, so
to speak. And that's across the board. What I find
is that Trump has been very good at taking advantage
of people that don't have the luxury of time, People
that are literally fighting to make sure that they can
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keep a roof over their head, keep close on the
backs of their children, and keep food on the table.
And when your focus is on those things, you don't
have time necessarily to dig in and learn and learn
it all. And he's taking advantage of that. And so
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one of the reasons that we see that this team
has said, I mean JD. Van said, I'll lie if
it'll give me attention. So they're liars, and if they
can just get a few people to believe their lives,
they will make They will say they have no ethics,
they have no rules, they have no morals, they will
say whatever to win. And so for those people that
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are like mm hmm, that don't even sound right, right,
like those people that have the luxury of saying, let
me go do my research or let me consult with
my such and such somebody in my circle, which is
I'm trying to tell people, get out of your circles. Like,
if you vote in the right way, chances are your
circle is good. We need to start talking to people
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who aren't really engaged in these kind of conversations. That's
what we need to do. We end up in our
little silos, you know, your sororities and your fraternities and
all this kind of stuff, and all of y'all are talking, right,
but what are we doing to actually start talking to
other people? Because again, we have a shared fate and
so we need to start talking about the threats and
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we need to talk about the possibilities. But if we're
not engaging, and I think that's what's happening, we're not
engaging with a number of the black men that have
checked out. Now, I will also say, I don't know
how many of those black men are actually voters. Just
being honest, just being honest, it's a tough it's a
tough one to figure out. Like they may be like, oh, yeah,
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I'm a vote for Trump, but like I'm like, are
you registered? Like I'm just saying, like I mean, it's
not like when we're hearing it, hearing it from people
that are not staunch voters. So I don't know, are
you going to be a first timer that jumps into
this thing and figures it out and like will deal
with whatever voter suppression tactics exists? Like will it be
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that big of a deal for you to actually show
up to make sure you catch your vote for Trump?
So I don't know about that either, and I think
we won't know until that day. But I do think
that it really is important that we are discussing how lies,
I won't even just call it misinformation or disinformation, just
straight up lying is seeping into our overall psyche. And
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it's why I appreciate our Attorney General for going after
the Russians and their interference. But you know, even Trump,
I mean, here an idiot, Like I'm just saying, you're
sitting there at a debate and you're gonna bring up
some stuff that was on a Facebook post. You got
a whole team of people to vent information. You just
choose to be ignorant, right like, and then you start
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going after Haitians and black folk that are like, well,
Haitians ain't.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Us, Haitians are us, Okay, Like I need you to
like read into who it is that he goes after,
because he ain't never got a bad way to say.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
About these white boys to go out and try He
ain't even saying nothing bad about the white boys to
try to kill him. He ain't. He ain't even saying
I ain't heard them, call them thugs, I ain't hurt them,
call them nothing. But you know, you have a black
person walking down the street and we called everything but
a child of God by this team, right you just
saw the black back a boy got beat up, and
I'm just like, okay, yeah, they beat him up. I'm
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just saying, like, And the final point I'll make is
that recently, probably about three weeks ago, at a Connecticut rally,
there was a dude in a full KKK get up
hood and awe at the Trump rally. It ain't nothing
that I have in common with the team that the
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Proud Boys, that the Aryan Brotherhood, that the KKK, we
don't see the world the same. So I don't even know.
I don't even understand how how you make your mind
to work that when the David Dukes of the world
decide that this is my team, that you also decide that, oh, yeah,
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we're one big happy family. No we not like, no,
we not like. They still are trying to figure out new,
ineventive ways to torture us. If you have an issue
with the criminal justice system, you need to be going
and hollering at them because that's the only legalized slavery
that we have in this country. And we know that
they have been profiting off of our backs since the
moment we got here. It is not Democrats that are
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doing that, it's them. So that's that I'm done.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We're going to now open the doors of the church,
take some funding for the building.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Past election plays in This Mighty Name.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
This Can includes part one of our two part conversation
with Jasmine Crockett discussing the black future under Kamala Harris's administration.
Check back in with us tomorrow for part two right
here on the Black Information Network Daily Podcast.
This is the Black Information Network Daily podcast and I'm
host ramses Ja And sometimes the amount of stories that
make their way to us means that we simply can't
cover everything that comes our way. But from time to time,
a story just stays with me and I feel compelled
to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing. You know, one of the
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great things about being able to function in this capacity
is that we often find ourselves rubbing shoulders with folks
that we look up to. One of them including today's guest,
Jasmine Crockett. And after bumping into her and a few
cities around the country, we were finally able to get
some time with her in front of some microphones in
Arizona as she made a stop to the Arizona Democratic Headquarters.
(00:49):
And this is part one of that conversation hosted by myself,
Ramsey's Ja and q Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So one of the things that we talk about a
lot on this show is the state of things in
the political arena in recent years. We've seen a number
of villains rise to various moments throughout again recent history,
(01:24):
and we always have a new reason to be concerned
about our future. I won't spend too much time discussing
that because these villains have been well discussed and they're
often delineated on this very program. But another thing that
we get is we get heroes. And one of the
(01:51):
heroes that we've discussed on this program many times, actually
we have the honor of sitting with and talking to today.
She is the Clapback Queen herself. Today we are joined
by the one and only Jasmine Craft.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Welcome to the show. Thank you so much. I did
not know where you were going was that. It definitely
didn't think that I would be the one wearing the
cape at the end of that, But I appreciate your
kind thoughts and words. Sure, sure, it's because we are
living in some very dangerous times.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
One of the things that we end up dealing with
on this show is positioning black women in a way
that people can see them the way that we see them.
And often I put Q in the in the Yeah,
(02:55):
I put him out in front to say this, but
I'll say it this time. On this show and all
of our shows, we affirm that the black woman is
as close to God as we can be on this planet.
And so when we suggest that you know, black women
come to the rescue, black women are wearing the capes.
That's something that we mean and when we've meant that
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the entire time that we've been in this space. So
you know, for our long time listeners, they understand that
to be very true. But there are some people who
are new to the show, of course, and people who
are just now getting engaged in politics. Maybe they've just
come of age, or maybe this particular election cycle is
(03:38):
of interest to them. So for those people who admittedly
is a very small amount of folks, i'd imagine, but
for those people who are not familiar with who you are,
give us a little bit of background just to bring
them up to speed for the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah. Absolutely so. I am, I guess technically considered a politician.
I hate to be classified as a politician, but since
I am the congresswoman that probably represents Texas thirtieth Congressional District,
which is anchored in Dallas County, Texas, I am a freshman.
(04:14):
Our terms are two years at a time, and so
I'm in the second year of my first term. I
have been considered to be the most viral member of
Congress during this current term, and you know, in recent times,
I've done all these interviews where people have asked me
about the virality and do you know what's happening when
(04:35):
it's happening, and you know, are there things that you
can do to try to make it happen? And I
tell people all the time that it's the unadulterated, unfiltered,
raw moments, never the prepared remarks that go viral, and
just to kind of give the listeners a little bit
more acclamation. I am an attorney by trade, and so
(04:58):
I did criminal defense work. I did civil rights work
as well as some personal injury stuff. But I was
a trial lawyer. I wasn't a death lawyer. I was
the girl that showed up in court. And I've represented
anywhere from capital murder all the way down. And so
I tried cases for almost two decades before coming to Congress.
And I tell people all the time, I don't really
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like people to come in front of me and waste
my five minutes, because that's all we get, is five minutes.
And so my ability to cross examine people and get
my point across quickly has really helped me in Congress
and knowing quote unquote my case, knowing what it is
that is the subject matter of any potential hearing at
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any point in time allows me to be able to
deal with whatever lies somebody tries to live out there.
I tend to be the girl that consistently wants to
rise to the occasion of recognizing that black folk are great,
and no matter how many times they try to disparage us,
(06:04):
whether it's because of the color of my skin or
whether it's because I'm a woman, I'm going to make
you feel really bad that you tried and so. But
even in doing that, you know, I look at representation
completely different. My official title is that I'm a US representative,
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and for so long I have heard so many people
say I just don't really feel like I'm seen or
heard or represented. And I never wanted to be that person.
I wanted people to say, I have a representative that
is sitting at the table and making sure that my
position is heard. And it is those moments, in my opinion,
that go viral because it is it's not the norm,
(06:48):
it's the exception. When the norm should be whatever community
you come from, your representative should sound like you, look
like you, and should be lobbying the case for the
issues that matter most for you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
The first time we got to connect with you in
person was at the National Urban League National Convention, but
we have been cheerleaders and supporters in the stands waiving
on pom pomps for you long before that. At that time,
all of us were very excited about some news that
we had just gotten regarding the Democratic ticket for the
(07:27):
office of president. Our vice president has been very vocal
about her feeling like she needs to earn people's votes,
specifically black men, so she doesn't feel she's entitled to
them just because she's black. What are some of the
issues you think are important to that base that she's
(07:48):
trying to reach and whose votes that she's now trying
to earn.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, yeah, I love her, you know, thank you for
giving that level set. And I'm just going to say
this real quick before I answer your question. I think,
as black people in general, we have always been the
ones that have never shied away from hard work. We
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aren't given positions on boards, we're not given positions in government,
we're not given positions in schools like we're not the
legacies that get admitted to these institutions. We've had to
work and earn every single thing that we've ever gotten,
and the fact that the Vice President is absolutely committed
(08:32):
to going out and earning the votes, taking her fight
straight to the people. I mean, you know, I think
I don't sleep, and then I think about her schedule
and then I'm like, I'm like, but she got a PJ.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So ma.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Because I'm like running through the airport, like, yes, can
you get me through screening so I can get to
my next city. But nevertheless, I definitely don't have time
to pity myself as I have the privilege of going
around the country and and arguing and making a case
for why the Harris Walls ticket is the ticket that
is the Team USA ticket, the ticket that will look
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out for all of us and not leave anybody behind.
I appreciate the fact that she, as well as Governor Walls,
are not afraid of hard work because they both came
from places in which they weren't born into fortune. They
weren't given four hundred million dollars when they entered this earth. Instead,
they had to work to get everything that they've ever gotten,
(09:29):
and so that's why they're not afraid of the hard work.
As it relates to black Man specifically, I can say
that I've had a number of conversations with black men,
and I think one of the things that kind of
frustrates me in general when we start talking about the
election is that I really do subscribe to the idea
that none of us are a monolith, no one, and
(09:52):
so there isn't one kind of happy pill for any
one group of people. I will say that there some
targets that are on specific groups that no matter what
your priorities are, the same targets are coming for you.
And so I think it is important not only for
(10:12):
us to highlight the alternative and talk about the targets
that are on our collective backs, whether we're talking about
the fact that Donald Trump specifically wants to get rid
of criminal immunity for law enforcement officers. As we have
just now gotten to the point that we have prosecutors
that have the audacity to say that law enforcement isn't
(10:32):
necessarily above the law, we can still probably count on one,
maybe two hands, the number of prosecutions that we've seen
in this country for law enforcement officers that have gone
out and shot us did like we were dogs in
the street, right, And so that's a collective target because
we have someone where you know, there are those of us,
as someone who's done the civil rights work and know
(10:54):
how difficult it is to get around qualified immunity and
things like that, because what we'll have is we end
up being killed and we don't get any criminal justice,
and we usually don't get any civil justice. And so
as we've been pushing the envelope for getting rid of
qualified immunity so that the civil remedies are available when
one of us is killed, now he not only doesn't
(11:17):
obviously is not going to support the civil side, but
once I go even further and say, for those few
progressive prosecutors that have thought that your life mattered enough
that they would actually prosecute a police officer, I don't
want that to happen anymore. And so that's a collective target.
Now when I talk to some other brothers about the
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things that matter most to them, for some of them,
it's I will say, collectively, there's a number of them
that talk about small business ownership, and they don't like
the idea of potentially Democrats trying to push on quote
unquote hand me out like they want they I don't
(12:00):
want you to just say, oh, we're going to try
to get you a good job, you know, a good
union paying job. Like there are black men that are like,
I don't want to go work for somebody else, Like
I want my own business. What are you going to
do to help me create my own generational wealth and
have my own legacy to leave behind. And so I
think that's why you hear her really making the point
(12:22):
not just for black men, but like generally speaking for
those that are saying, you know what, I want my
own small business. And so this five thousand dollars tax
benefit that you used to get when you start a
small business, She's like, you can't do nothing with five
thousand dollars. She's like, that's only going to help you
if you got a concept of a business, right, Like
she was like, right, exactly right. So she's up in
(12:44):
that TOIL fifty thousand. We've not really talked very much
about the record, but we know that there were a
record number of small businesses and black owned businesses specifically
that were able to benefit. As relates to everybody know
about PPP. Some people got in trouble with people got
(13:05):
in trouble with the PPP, but you know, but it
truly did and we've seen a record number of newly
created black owned businesses because of the loosening of the
rains a little bit and making sure and definitely the
initial rollboat was bad. If people remember, first of all,
these were democratic policies that were pushed to the House
(13:27):
in the Senate, but it was under Donald Trump who
was still president when the first policies were pushed through,
and what we saw was that the only people that
got money where people didn't even need the money. We
saw NFL and NBA teams and all of them, they
all had access to capital, and the little guys didn't.
It wasn't until we got rid of Donald Trump and
(13:49):
we ended up with President Biden that they actually started
to make sure that those small businesses that were complaining
that the big banks weren't giving them access to these loans.
If people really I think back, it's like you try
to go and apply for the PPP law and they
say all the money had already been given out and
it was the big guys that got it. The small
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guy only started getting it when Democrats controlled every lever
the House, the Senate as well as the White House.
So I think that that's one of the issues. Another
issue that has been brought up his criminal justice reform,
and so you know, there also was this selective memory
or it's just a failure of us to really talk
about and brag because Democrats are terrible about bragging. Republicans
(14:33):
will take credit for stuff they have none to do,
but Democrats won't even brag on Stuffy didn't done right.
And so you know, they felt as if there were
some changes that were made on the federal level while
Trump was in office. None of that, again was initiated
under Trump. He signed it into law. So yes, should
we say, okay, thank you for signing it into law.
(14:54):
We can, but don't conflate that with that actually being
one of his policy positions that he actually lobbed. When
we look at the things that he lobbed, he lived
and got us the Supreme Court. If you think that
Trump is looking out for us, just look at our
Supreme Court justices and right now their approval rating is
the lowest that has historically ever been. Because it's his justices.
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They got rid of affirmative action. And for those that
you know, I don't know what different opinions may exist
around affirmative action. Affirmative action has never been about a gimme.
That's never what it did. What it did is said, listen,
all you got is a bunch of lily white people.
Those are the only people you will consider. There is
greatness that exists in some of these people that aren't
(15:39):
lily white. That's all it is. But you don't get there.
And somehow they gonna give you. Well, because you was
an affirmative action in mission hooding, you get an extra
ten points on every test like that, ain't what it
is like. You got to survive, like you've got to
make it in and you've got to survive. But it
at least makes them actually look at you and say,
(16:00):
you know what, let's open up this pool of candidates.
And so now what we've seen is we've seen a
decrease in the enrollment of diverse students at these IVY
leagues and other pwis. And what we've seen is that
there's a higher demand for HBCUs. And when we think
back to Donald Trump, now, one thing that presidents can do.
(16:22):
Presidents always do is they put out their budget and
that signals to the Congress, these are the things that
we want to do. This is how I want to
place money. But at the end, of the day. The
budget belongs to the Congress, it doesn't belong to the president.
So he's just kind of like, this is my roAP,
please follow it, especially if we control, if the same
parties control the House, is in it. When Donald Trump
(16:43):
put out his budget, he wanted to zero out funding
for HBCUs. That was his proposal, is to zero out
HBCU money and to give credit where credit is due.
It was a Bush that had agreed to this level
of funding, which is definitely not where we need our
(17:06):
hbc used to be. But it was something, and it
was a Republican. It was a Bush that signed the
initial funding into law for our HBCUs. So this was
two hundred and fifty three million dollars. But Trump saw
it as an opportunity to do a photo op. And
so after a black woman in North Carolina who attended
an HBCU, who taught at an HBCU. Doctor Adams was
(17:30):
doctor Adams, my cbc colleague, who fought to get that
money back. And so once it came back, he then
invited all the HBCU presidents in for a photo and
so everybody's like, see Donald Trump was seting care of
HBCU's not really not really guys, kind of like those
SIMMI checks, not really, not really, not really guys. So
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they did that. But then when people, you know, I
was constantly kind of going in on people before the
vice president became the nominee, where people felt away, they
felt led down. They were like, well, you know, she's
the vice president, but I mean, what has she done.
I'm like, first of all, if you can't name five
other vice presidents, were not about that this conversation. Let's
(18:12):
start there, like you at least need to be able
to name five other vice presidents and correct. But most
people can't get to the nights right because most people
don't look at a vice president at all. I mean,
a vice president is a supporting cast member, and she
has been integral. And I think that Joe Biden takes
(18:33):
a different stance. He tries to do more of a
partnership type of situation, kind of like what he came
into with Barack Obama, and so I think that that's
kind of how he tries to govern. That led to
a record sixteen billion dollars with a b I sixteen
billion dollars or of investment into HBCUs it mattered that
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there was an HBCU grad that was sitting there as
the second in command. And not even just from the
monetary standpoint, I mean when we look at Howard and
the spike in applications just once she became, because then
it's not for so long there's been these limitations. If
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you went to an HBCU and she's defied the limitations,
she's on the verge of becoming the most powerful person
in the world, and she graduated from a hbc And
so I think that that really tells, if I had
to tell a story about black people in general, is
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that we are more resilient than any other form of
people that we've ever met. When you think about our
presence here, they can talk about kicking us out and
this and that, But we ain't asked to come here.
We got dragged here, to be clear, right like, we
got dragged here and we labored and we built correct.
(19:58):
We built this country and we're still here. And while
we still have so many obstacles that we still get
faced with, we somehow persist. And if I had to
send one message to my black man is to know
that like there never should be competition, I appreciate that
you laid out kind of the historical context of your
(20:20):
show and being clear that you've always uplifted black women.
I see no reason for any of us to fight
one another. I love my black men. I know that
I probably wouldn't necessarily be here but for black men
in my life, because it was a group of black
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male lawyers that are like my brothers that came to
me and was like, you got to run, and we
know it costs money. We put money down. The first
people to bet on me were black men like that
was who was like, let me invest in you. And
so I think that we have to appreciate that collectively,
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this world has never given us our due. And so
one thing is for sure, regardless as to whether or
not you agree with her one hundred percent or not
at all, one thing is for sure is that she
understands the struggles that this life presents to you more
than any white man ever will. And so you know,
(21:25):
regardless of what's what. But like I keep saying, they're
gonna kick me off the trail, because I never I
never say what they tell me to say. Number one
and number two, I remember, I'll make this final point
that y'all can move on. I went to North Carolina
and I was doing a fundraiser for the Victory Fund.
And this was soon after Arkelly's not r Kelly. That's
(21:49):
messed up. I don't call them mar Kelly Puffy this
soon after challenge and call them are a lot of virtus. Yeah,
that clearly in my mind anyway. Nevertheless, and so I said,
if you want a better example of how this country
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views us, no matter how much money we have and
how the systems are inequitable, look at Diddy's situation and
look at Trump's. Now, I'm not saying either one of
them is right. I'm not saying either one of them
is wrong. Y'all know, come from the defense side. So
I will give Trump his thirty four felony convictions wrong
because he been convicted. He's still got other stuff that
(22:32):
he's technically resumed instant for same thing with Diddy. But
here's the deal. Did he have bad cases? Definitely, not
thirty four counts of them so far. He got him
in one jurisdiction, he didn't get let out, y'all. They
did not release him. Right. And here it is, Trump
(22:55):
had close to ninety he had over eighty something counts
in four different jurisdictions, then ultimately got found guilty and
was going in talking about the judges, talking about the
judges starter in New York doing all kinds of things. Now,
in my experience, the most cases I ever have for
one defendant was a little under forty. He had thirty
(23:18):
something counts. He didn't have a record. It was his
first time being in trouble, and he did it with
a bang, for sure, But the fans got them as
well as the state. He never got out like, he
never got released pre trial. So I don't want people
to be fooled into believing that because he's been subjected
to the criminal justice system that they're in any similar
(23:42):
kind of level of understanding, because I would argue that
he's barely been subjected to the criminal justice system, because
I know, I've had to represent protesters. I've had protesters
to spend more time in jail than Donald Trump, and
you know, and I got them off of their cases.
So no, this isn't equitable. He doesn't understand. He wouldn't
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know what it was like to walk a day in
one of our shoes, where you get brought up on
charges that really are not significant at all, and you
are being forced into takeing a plea. He doesn't know
that life like that is a completely different life from
what we experience in the black community. The same people
that feel like the criminal justice system has never been just,
(24:26):
but it's only been injus right. That's he's living the
type of criminal justice system we was looking for, the
one that said, oh I got all these cases, but hey,
you know what that presuma, let me be out. I'm
gonna be good. I'm a clown the judges and everybody else. Yeah,
I mean literally like intimidating witnesses, all this kind of thing.
You ain't catch a whole other fifty kind of cases
(24:49):
like this is it's it's insane.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, it's insane. You know, there's.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
There's something that I think is really interesting that taking
place here. You're absolutely right, you know, for all of
the things that have happened, let's go back to let's
go back to like the Me Too movement for a second,
where I think this concept started to jail. You know,
(25:19):
listen to black women, bet on black women, believe black women,
you know, all this sort of stuff. And then of
course that had swelled up to twenty twenty, and then
it skyrocketed ever since then. And then now we're celebrating
black girl magic and black boy joy and all this
sort of stuff, but hyper focused on our women, you
know what I mean. We need to find lost black women,
(25:41):
we need to dedicate more media resources, we need to
all these sorts of things, right, this concerted effort that has,
in my estimation, included black men. It's so interesting to
see the breakdown of that when it comes to voting
for a black woman, right. And you know, no one
(26:04):
is going to agree one hundred percent with anyone else.
We're all different people, right, No one is going to
get anything one hundred percent right. But one of the
things that I believed, that we understood in the majority
of the past decade is that if we were working together,
that cohesiveness would allow us to accomplish more, to move
(26:24):
the needle to change and shape outcomes, particularly for the
black community. And if we shape those outcomes around the
sensibilities of black women, we would all be okay. This
is what I thought. So for me, it was very
interesting to see this breakdown right at this intersection of
what we have a black woman who can now be
the most powerful human being on earth, and black men
(26:47):
of all people are standing around like no, oh, no, right,
So let's you know, in your opinion, let's take it
back a little bit, because in this moment we're seeing
the breakdown. But I'm curious what kind of led up
to that. So let me ask the question this way.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
We recall.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Covering sort of an erosion of support from black men
to the then presumed Democratic nominee Joe Biden, and that
felt a little weird because that group of people had
historically been reliably democratic, and then obviously with the announcement
(27:31):
of Kamala Harris taking the reins of the future of
the Democratic Party, there had been some ground recovered. But
as we've been discussing, there are still some black men
who are holding out. And I wonder if there are
some historical like how has this group of people gotten here?
In your estimation, having talked to black men around the country,
(27:52):
what pieces are many of us missing? Because I think
we know those pieces we can start trying to rebuild.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Certainly, folks like I think, okay, so I'll say it
this way. Democrats are very good at basis. We can
you know, you would imagine that projects when twenty five
would have been ours. I mean, we are the ones
that speak in these large, kind of very deep, you know,
(28:22):
but that's not what the other side does. And when
we look at the numbers across the board, the numbers
are clear that the more educated folk are tending to
kind of dig a little deeper, and we are getting
(28:42):
the lion's share of those that are more educated, so
to speak. And that's across the board. What I find
is that Trump has been very good at taking advantage
of people that don't have the luxury of time, People
that are literally fighting to make sure that they can
(29:03):
keep a roof over their head, keep close on the
backs of their children, and keep food on the table.
And when your focus is on those things, you don't
have time necessarily to dig in and learn and learn
it all. And he's taking advantage of that. And so
(29:25):
one of the reasons that we see that this team
has said, I mean JD. Van said, I'll lie if
it'll give me attention. So they're liars, and if they
can just get a few people to believe their lives,
they will make They will say they have no ethics,
they have no rules, they have no morals, they will
say whatever to win. And so for those people that
(29:48):
are like mm hmm, that don't even sound right, right,
like those people that have the luxury of saying, let
me go do my research or let me consult with
my such and such somebody in my circle, which is
I'm trying to tell people, get out of your circles. Like,
if you vote in the right way, chances are your
circle is good. We need to start talking to people
(30:09):
who aren't really engaged in these kind of conversations. That's
what we need to do. We end up in our
little silos, you know, your sororities and your fraternities and
all this kind of stuff, and all of y'all are talking, right,
but what are we doing to actually start talking to
other people? Because again, we have a shared fate and
so we need to start talking about the threats and
(30:30):
we need to talk about the possibilities. But if we're
not engaging, and I think that's what's happening, we're not
engaging with a number of the black men that have
checked out. Now, I will also say, I don't know
how many of those black men are actually voters. Just
being honest, just being honest, it's a tough it's a
tough one to figure out. Like they may be like, oh, yeah,
(30:52):
I'm a vote for Trump, but like I'm like, are
you registered? Like I'm just saying, like I mean, it's
not like when we're hearing it, hearing it from people
that are not staunch voters. So I don't know, are
you going to be a first timer that jumps into
this thing and figures it out and like will deal
with whatever voter suppression tactics exists? Like will it be
(31:13):
that big of a deal for you to actually show
up to make sure you catch your vote for Trump?
So I don't know about that either, and I think
we won't know until that day. But I do think
that it really is important that we are discussing how lies,
I won't even just call it misinformation or disinformation, just
straight up lying is seeping into our overall psyche. And
(31:37):
it's why I appreciate our Attorney General for going after
the Russians and their interference. But you know, even Trump,
I mean, here an idiot, Like I'm just saying, you're
sitting there at a debate and you're gonna bring up
some stuff that was on a Facebook post. You got
a whole team of people to vent information. You just
choose to be ignorant, right like, and then you start
(31:57):
going after Haitians and black folk that are like, well,
Haitians ain't.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Us, Haitians are us, Okay, Like I need you to
like read into who it is that he goes after,
because he ain't never got a bad way to say.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
About these white boys to go out and try He
ain't even saying nothing bad about the white boys to
try to kill him. He ain't. He ain't even saying
I ain't heard them, call them thugs, I ain't hurt them,
call them nothing. But you know, you have a black
person walking down the street and we called everything but
a child of God by this team, right you just
saw the black back a boy got beat up, and
I'm just like, okay, yeah, they beat him up. I'm
(32:36):
just saying, like, And the final point I'll make is
that recently, probably about three weeks ago, at a Connecticut rally,
there was a dude in a full KKK get up
hood and awe at the Trump rally. It ain't nothing
that I have in common with the team that the
(32:57):
Proud Boys, that the Aryan Brotherhood, that the KKK, we
don't see the world the same. So I don't even know.
I don't even understand how how you make your mind
to work that when the David Dukes of the world
decide that this is my team, that you also decide that, oh, yeah,
(33:19):
we're one big happy family. No we not like, no,
we not like. They still are trying to figure out new,
ineventive ways to torture us. If you have an issue
with the criminal justice system, you need to be going
and hollering at them because that's the only legalized slavery
that we have in this country. And we know that
they have been profiting off of our backs since the
moment we got here. It is not Democrats that are
(33:40):
doing that, it's them. So that's that I'm done.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We're going to now open the doors of the church,
take some funding for the building.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Past election plays in This Mighty Name.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
This Can includes part one of our two part conversation
with Jasmine Crockett discussing the black future under Kamala Harris's administration.
Check back in with us tomorrow for part two right
here on the Black Information Network Daily Podcast.
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