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January 15, 2025 • 23 mins

In the second installment of a three part series, Hots Ramses Ja and Q Ward take a look at social media influencer Phil the Director's recently released audio commentary entitled " If I Were a Rich White Racist ".

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now part two of our three part conversation. Responding
to Director Phills, if I were a rich white racist,
the next thing he says here, young black women, Let's
get them on welfare, and they can only qualify for

(00:21):
welfare if there's no father, So.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Right, truthful sounding lies.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
So, first off, white women are the biggest recipients of
welfare in the United States of America, the welfare program.
And this is something that I could stand to be corrected,
but I don't think that I'm wrong. The welfare system

(00:55):
that we as we understand it today was born out
of of the Great Depression era the United States. It
did not have black people in mind necessarily. It had
you know, poor rural white people in mind, and those

(01:17):
tend to be the still the largest recipients of welfare.
But the idea that the majority of black women are
on welfare, uh, and the majority of black children are
fatherless is it's it's it's it's pervasive. Black women are

(01:43):
the most educated group of human beings in the United
States of America. Black men are the best fathers by
race in the United.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
States relative right, but most present, oh, most involved, most active.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
That's that's a headline too. But that's a New York
Times headline, and that's something you're welcome to verify. You know, again,
there is a CDC report on fatherhood and I believe
it was the most recent census, or the data was
taken from the most recent census, or at least a
recent census from the Center for Disease Control CDC, which

(02:28):
is a government agency. This is not ramses and qused
hopes and dreams. This is you know, factual data from
the same government that this person is trying to who's
not even trying to fry the whole government, just you know,
half of it. But but yeah, the point is is
that there's a lot of context missing. You know, are

(02:50):
there black women on welfare? Sure, absolutely, But again there's
there's a lot missing from that. And what has happened
is that people have taken an idea of a welfare
queen that was born in I think the welfare queen

(03:10):
idea was born in the eighties. Sometimes that is a
Republican conjuring to suggest that poor black women are cheating
the system and sucking all of the country's resources away
via the welfare system. And again, most of the people

(03:32):
on the welfare system are white women. But if you
were to think about welfare, you would think black women
because Republicans did that to you. They did it to
me too.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, and they did that to you to cover their
own tracks. Right, the government in its entirety is who
if you're going to point blame, point blame at the
entire system. But this, again, that was a Republican government. Yeah,
it's a truthful sounding life. Our country has in place now,

(04:03):
and this is Republican legislation, Republican initiatives where rich people
can make so much money that after a point it's
not taxed anymore. But if you're on government assistance and
you make too much money, they will take the assistance
away from you. Who do you guys think put in

(04:24):
such policies. It wasn't anti black racist white liberals.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I'll tell you that, all right. Next on the list,
if I were a rich white racist, I would put
drugs in the black community and put black people in prison.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
All right, So truthful sounding lies. I'm going to keep
saying that because that's what he said. That statement by
itself is not false, that drugs were put into the
black community and then black people were then turned into criminals.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Because of it, we're going to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
But that was not done. Like this is why this
is so brilliant. He said a bunch of stuff that's
happening and then point it to liberals and they did,
they created and constructed all And he's.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Clearly a conservative and it was all conservative people that
did it.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Goodness, man, so and.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
The conservative people again are the rich people that he
tries to stick the landing about. And he's trying to
he's trying to do some smoking mirrors. Man, it's crazy anyway, Yes,
drugs in the black community. This primarily refers to, you know,
the crack epidemic. But I'm gonna take it back a

(05:42):
step further. Many people may know, but it turns out
a lot of people don't. I had a conversation recently
with a white woman who super duper ally she had
no idea that marijuana, once upon a time was not
considered like a hard drug. It wasn't the sort of

(06:04):
thing you would go to jail for. You know, it
used to be called reefer. And it wasn't until like
the hippies and the Panthers started to take center stage
and really challenge the war in Vietnam that people started
to that the government started to criminalize marijuana use, marijuana

(06:29):
possession so that the black power movement, in the hippie
movement could be disrupted, so that they could begin to
arrest these people because everything.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Else distance was too popular, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And so by criminalizing these elements associated with hippies, associated
with black people, you know, Negro jazz and their reefer right,
by criminalizing those that they were able to disrupt those movements.
There's a quote. I think it might be from either

(07:05):
an FBI director, maybe it's Jayek or Hoover, maybe it's
I couldn't tell you right now, but there's a there's
a famous quote, and you know they this individual cop
to it. I think he later became a president or
it was either an FBI director or a president, but
a popular name in history. Just the name escapes from

(07:26):
right now, and you know he's he's on record as
saying that, yes, we were criminalizing those substances so that
we could disrupt those communities, and that had a snowball effect.
Are black people imprisoned at the same rates as white

(07:48):
people for the same crimes? Not at all. I recall
a study that I came across that suggested that black
people and white people use marijuana at the same rates.
And if you were to ask yourself, are black people
and white people imprisoned at the same rates, I think

(08:11):
you would know the answer is no for those crimes
or what once were crimes. And then that points to
overpleasing and the sentencing, of course is longer when a
black person is invicted of a crime. So what we're

(08:34):
looking at is a government that has imposed these strange
laws to disrupt these movements and these these shows of
black strength and black unity, and then keeping black people
incarcerated longer. Later, when the drugs become legal, the licenses

(08:59):
to grow marijuana, the licenses to sell the marijuana, did
those end up in the hands of the black people
that paid the cost that we're on the on the uh,
the how do I want to say this the end
the unfair end of the government, not at all. You know,

(09:21):
they went back all back to white folks and now
there are some successful, you know, black people in the
marijuana space. I don't want to act like that's not true,
but you know, the forces of capitalism are mighty, and
black people we got our movements disrupted, we got our

(09:42):
the fathers that were taken out of the home, A
lot of them did end up dead or in prison,
and at the end of the day, we got nothing
when the government said, you know what, we can make
this legal now. So that's where we ended up with that.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I need to read this quote that Ramsas is talking
about to give you guys some insight. You want to know.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
What this was really all about.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
He acts with the bluntness of a man who, after
public disgrace and a stench in federal prison, had little
left to protect. The Nixon campaign in nineteen sixty eight
and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies,
the anti war left and black people. You understand what
I'm saying. We knew we couldn't make it illegal to

(10:28):
be either against the war or black. But by getting
the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks
with heroin and then criminalize both heavily, we could disrupt
these communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes,

(10:49):
break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night
on the evening news. Did we know we were lying
about the drugs? Of course we did. What's his name,
This gentleman's name was John Erlickman, who is the head

(11:09):
of the President's Council for Richard Nixon. Both of these
men Republicans.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
All right, that was what I was looking for. Thank
you appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Not anti black, racist liberal.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
All right, turn black women against black men. All right,
so let's talk about that, turn black women against black men.
I haven't really seen too much of that.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I was gonna say, this one won't be long. Yeah,
this one won't be long. It's it's one of those
things that you say and they love us, that's super
duper right, that's the point. Of course we love them,
But this point is that they don't love us, and
it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well, we love them. So we're around black women, like
in mass and huge.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Groups say something enough times out loud, unchecked, and people
believe it. That's the simple response to that line, because
there's it's based on nothing, like these things are based
on something. So we kind of went in and debunk
a little bit and give you a little bit more
context and nuance and color and information. There's nothing to
give here.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, this is Isaac Hayes put up a good friend
of ours. Isaac Hay's a third from a fan base.
Shout out the fan base. One time. He put up
a post recently and he said something like, you know,
eighty three percent of black men that make six figures
or more a year are married to Black women something

(12:36):
like that.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, but that's another narrative that we don't love them.
Yeah again, but that's but specifically because I don't want to.
I don't want us to stray too far from the
false point that he's trying to make. Yeah, that's fair
that they don't love us. Okay, that's they don't love
or respect us.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I've never seen that. I've been with the National Council
Negro Women, I've been with the Akas. I've been with
the Shoot where we go, Jack and Jill. Where else
we've been.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
We've been with the Deltas. We've been with the Zetas.
We talked this, talk to with the AKA like, come on,
talk to me. We've been with every love not just
organized groups of black women, but the communities that.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
We grew up in.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
We have sisters, we have in the home man, like
come on, man.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
And the way the black women talk to us and
not just us, because Q and I I understand we're
like outside activists, you know, fisted up all of that.
But like the way the black women talk to the
black men that we.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
See and the way that black women show up more
than four black men, not just for black men, for
everybody woman. There's a there's a video, a viral video
of this Middle Eastern gentleman, I believe, talking about what
his mother taught him when he was a kid. When
you leave me, when you go to America, when you
go anywhere in the world, if you want to feel safe,

(13:47):
find a black woman there you go so missing with
this nons like this is the part that made me
the most mad, because you know you lying. Some black
women love you still, all right, And if they don't,
this is why that'll do it, not because they're not

(14:08):
because they're black women ought to hate you by racist
white liberals, truthful sounding lies.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Let me ask some right here. I think you're gonna
like this. Que My heart broke when Kamala Harris lost
that election. For me, my heart is still broken, But
my heart broke more or the people whose heart would

(14:38):
be broken more. And one person in particular that I
just couldn't get out of my head is our manager, Brandy.
Brandy is a black woman. Brandy is an AKA. Brandy
shares a lot of time in space with doctor Westernberg.
Brandy was with us on the ground day in and

(14:59):
day out. And I remember Brandy smiling so much through
that campaign season. She was so happy. She was you know,
there was so much coming her way, and I couldn't
stop thinking about her. And that was like, you know
when you're sad for yourself, but it's like, I'll be okay,

(15:20):
you know what I mean, Like I I'll be okay,
I'll figure this out. But I'm worried about my people,
Brandy and countless other black women. I've I've seen resilience,
I've seen resolve, I've seen like you said, they're still

(15:43):
here for everybody mad, They're there's not a happy time,
but they now listen everybody else start bicker and everybody
else start getting mad at everybody. Black women is like, Okay,
we've been here before. We'll get through it. So since
we hear shout out to black women, I don't even

(16:03):
care about God no more. At the end of my life,
I'm going where the black women go. That's what I
got to say. All right, cheek poisoned food, let's talk
about this Okay, So are there food deserts. Absolutely are
food deserts associated with poorer communities, poor neighborhoods. Absolutely, some

(16:25):
neighborhoods in this country. The only place where you can
give food is a dollar General or a ninety nine
cent store.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So only McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's it. That's the only place where you can give
taco bell. There are food deserts.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Somewhere where you are literally being so poisoned. Food that's
linked to cancer, food that's linked to poor health, to diabetes,
to you know, hypertension, to We could go on and
on again. This is not specific to black people, and
this is not something that's specific to racist white liberals,

(16:59):
which I have to keep saying out loud because you
go to hear some of this stuff and say, oh,
that's true, our food is poison and it does. In
my neighborhood. There's just liquor stores and not like that's true.
Sure that, but that's poor. But that's poor, and that's
a governmental failure. Comprehensively, that's not racist white liberals targeting
black people.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yes, and I'm going to add something.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Here to full sounding lies.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Let me ask director Peel, let me add something else here. Too.
One of the things that I find myself being increasingly
passionate about is called environmental racism, and environmental racism kind
of walks that same line in that do we find
that this shapes the lives of black people more than

(17:46):
white people? Absolutely? But overwhelmingly it shapes the lives of
poor people and our poor people are Are black people
over represented in the numbers of poor people, absolutely, and
so we find percentage things.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I'd argue the numbers are probably higher for white people
because there's more white.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
People more, but thank you for that. Yeah. So you
start to look at a government and whole as a
whole and corporations, and it goes back to the forces
of capitalism. Now, are poor whites more protected than poor blacks? Sure? Sure,

(18:24):
But at that point you start to get into the
nitty gritty of individual decisions.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, And I think it would depend on where you
and I go with this conversation, because I'd argue that
that's not true. I'd argue that that's what they want
poor whites to believe, because if you can get poor
whites to believe or they're more protected and less likely
to fall out to these systems that are working against them.
You can get them to vote against their own best
interests because well, they're voting against the interest of.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Black So how about That's where I was going to
go with it. So I said it. I said what
the result is, but not the I did an articulate
how the decision would ultimately be made if I am
a wealthy business owner in Missouri somewhere, and there's a

(19:13):
poor white neighborhood and a poor black neighborhood, and I'm
the decider as an individual, not as a government, but
as an individual. If I'm the decider, I don't care
about either communities, But it's more likely that I would
care even less about the poor black neighborhood. You know
what I mean. I don't want to I want to
make sure that that part is stated so individuals can
let their racism be known. And when we're talking about

(19:35):
again the forces of capitalism, I had a conversation once
upon a time. I mean, no, don't was your thought.
That was your thought. I won't.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I don't think either of us are going to lose
our thoughts on this one like this so one.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
So once upon a time, just to make my point,
I had a conversation with a program director mine, I've
shared this with you before. Uh and uh. It's about
don Imus saying some is this stuff on the show
back in the day. And my program director said, well,
you know what, in no sense in firing the man.

(20:09):
Let the free market decide whether or not he should
keep his job. And I said, well, you know, the
free market. That's all well and good, but it overrepresents
the people with money, and it underrepresents the people that
don't have money. And what you're trying to do is
make a moral argument where no moral argument can be made.

(20:37):
Those forces of capitalism overrepresent the interest of people that
don't know what it's like to be a black woman
and to be insulted by being called a nappy headed
hole on the basketball court. And you know better than that,
and I know better than that. And it doesn't matter

(20:58):
how much money you have or eyes have, we both
can say that that's wrong. And so I think that
illustrates the point of how capitalism works in these type
of situations where a wealthy white man who has some
racist leanings in Missouri can shape the outcomes, choose decide

(21:21):
which outcomes to shape in his own community. And so
that was the point I was trying to make.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
No point well made, and my point will be short
because you said most of it right. If the decision
is between something that's going to help poor white people
versus poor black people, the choice will be the poor
white people. The thing is, there's not very many of
those choices. If it's something that helps poor people, period,
they're not interested in it. That's a fact. And they
talk poor people out of being interested in it because

(21:50):
they remove the idea of empathy. They actually poison the
idea of empathy. You want your hard work to help
someone else, while they lazy and just sit on their
butts and do nothing. Like they create this narrative that
doesn't exist. They treat it like we and by we,
I mean black people are incentivized by poverty, like we'd

(22:11):
rather be poor, we'd rather be on the brink of
homelessness so we can get the three hundred dollars assistant check.
But only white people are motivated by the prosperity of capitalism, right,
So that's why they create programs that are rich socialism.
They'll help each other forever and create programs where they

(22:31):
get breaks for being rich because they're not incentivized by assistants.
It's a meritocracy in capitalism, where those who work the
hardest get the best results.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So, only in America, more so than anywhere else in
the world do rich people make poor people think that
helping each other is bad, while all they do is
help each other.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
This concludes part two of our three part conversation respond
to Director Phils. If I were a rich white racist,
check back in for part three right here on the
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