September 19, 2023 • 33 mins
Lured from bars in Tampa Bay, Florida, Jason Galehouse and Michael Wachholtz become victims of unthinkable acts of violence, torture, and ultimately murder at the hands of Steven Lorenzo and his roommate Scott Schweikert.
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dive into the harrowing details of these crimes, examining the evidence, psychology, and horrifying realities faced by the victims. As Morgan unpacks the forensic side—from GHB to blood spatter—Mack provides a chilling narrative that contextualizes the nightmare that unfolded.
This episode is not just an exploration into the depths of human depravity, but also a tribute to the lives and stories of Jason Galehouse, Michael Waccholtz, Albert Perkins, and other unnamed victims of Loenzo and Schweikert.
Time codes:
00:00:20 — Joseph Scott Morgan reveals a childhood fascination with a magnifying glass. This simple tale explains his eventual career in forensics.
01:40 — Steven Lorenzo, convicted of two murders but suspected of many more, is introduced.
00:03:20 — Dave Mack asks Joe Scott to break down the substance GHB.
00:03:40 — A chilling overview of Lorenzo's methods is described. Mack succinctly recounts how the criminal drugged and tortured his victims.
00:04:40 — Joseph Scott Morgan unveils the eerie nature of GHB, detailing its street names and effects.
00:08:19 — The online meeting between Lorenzo and Schweikert is discussed. Mack introduces how they connected over shared violent fantasies.
00:11:18 — The terrifying setting of the crimes, Lorenzo and Schweikert's home, is revealed. Joe Scott explains how the drug GHB renders victims compliant.
00:13:56 — Mack goes back to 2003 to bring us the stories of the victims, Jason Galehouse and Michael Wachholtz.
00:16:10 — A vivid picture of the crime scene emerges. Mack and Morgan explore how long blood lasts as evidence.
00:20:25 — Dave Mack retells the testimony of a survivor of Lorenzo and Schweikert's, Albert Perkins, emphasizing the cold-blooded nature of the criminals.
00:28:32 — Joseph Scott Morgan explains the crucial role of insects in forensics.
00:33:40 — Justice takes time. Dave Mack highlights the delay in Steven Lorenzo's trial and eventual sentence.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Buddy Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't know about y'all,
but when I was a little boy, I was given
a magnifying glass, and it was probably one of the
most wondrous gifts that I ever had. I would go
(00:31):
about in my grandmother's backyard in North Louisiana, and I
would look at everything from blades of grass to sand.
I had a huge sandpile. I was fascinated by how
sand looked under high magnification. You pick out all of
these details that exist. But you know, being a young boy,
(00:53):
one of the things that I was also fascinated by
was the ability to concentrate the intensity of the sun's
light and the subsequent heat that resulted from that. Started
out burning leaves and that sort of thing, and when
that didn't satisfy me, I find ants and other bugs.
But there was something within me that I retreated from it.
(01:16):
I couldn't do it over a period of time because
I began to actually feel bad about burning ants. There
are people among us that don't have the capacity, I think,
to understand the pain of others, whether they be insects
or fellow human beings. Today, we're going to talk about
(01:39):
one such person, a person by the name of Stephen Lorenzo,
who I'll go ahead and tell you now wound up
being convicted of two deaths, but he is associated with
the torture of many, many others, a few of which survived.
(02:00):
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body backs. Brother Dave.
Do you ever have those cases that when we begin
to kind of talk about them and read through these details,
they kind of set your teeth on edge, that kind
of make you squirm a little.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Bit when you get into the nitty gritty. Steven Lorenzo,
every way you turn, there's something more evil than the
last thing. Just to give everybody a bird's eye view,
we're talking about crimes that happened in two thousand and
three and just got a sentence this year, twenty years later.
And I want to know, first of all, what is
(02:44):
GHB because it plays a big role. I know we've
heard it called the day rape drug, but I need
to know what it is, what it does, because this
is where Steven Lorenzo and his roommate started trolling gay
clubs in Tampa in two thousand and three. A number
of gay men went missing in the Tampa, Florida area
in Tampa Bay and Stephen Lorenzo and his roommate actually
(03:07):
went picked up these guys in gay bars, went back
to Lorenzo's house and they tortured these men. Some of
the men have no memory whatsoever of what took place.
They just knew the after effects. They knew they had
marks on their body, and didn't remember how they happened.
We have two of them that died, one never found
(03:30):
and one that was basically laid out on display in
his own vehicle in his apartment complex parking area. That's
who Stephen Lorenzo is in terms of a murderer and
damager of people. Did I just make up a word damager?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, okay, I'll allow it. In the words of the hangover, yeah,
I'll allow it. GHP. It is a drug that really
serves no purpose whatsoever. It's something that is essentially produced illegally,
and it's the actual name is gamma hydroxy buterrate. It's
a compound that is created generally in a clandestine lab
(04:10):
and it has been around now for years. And let
me give you some of the other and before I
get into the nature of it, let me give you
some of the other names that it goes by, and
this actually comes from the DEA and these are the
names that you encounter on the street. So just bear
with me one second. The first one ought to give
you an idea right out of the box. The first
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one is it's called easy lay l A y G standalone, Georgia,
Homeboy GHB, obviously, goop, grievous, get this one. You're ready
for this one. Grievous, bodily harm. Does that kind of
paint a picture? Liquid ecstasy liquid X and scoop is
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another one, uh, and it you can find it in
a powder form. It's liquified as well. Here's kind of
the insidious part to this. It has no color in
the liquid form, it has no odor, and it's tasteless.
So you could just be hanging out in a bar
and anyone that has just a dropper of this, and
(05:17):
it doesn't take much, just put a tiny little drop
into someone's drink and what will generally happen is that
the person will be in to experience some level of euphoria.
But as this drug goes to work, particularly in the
long term, you develop almost a temporary amnesia. Dave, and
(05:39):
you know what, you were saying, you got these guys
out there that have gotten marks all of their bodies,
And can you imagine waking up on the side of
the road somewhere at some point in time, and you've
got marks all over your body and you can't explain them.
How bizarre would that be?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
If you were in a bar and everybody's dancing and
having a good time, and you have this little bial
of liquid, just a little bit, and somebody turns their
back and you just reach over and pour it in
their drink, and that's all it would take to basically
render this person it within a matter of a short
period of time, rendered them unable to defend themselves. Is
that what we're talking about here?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, exactly. And there are some people that actually take
it recreationally, if you can imagine that, because they The
idea is that, first off, all inhibitions go out the window.
The pharmacology types that study it have noted that in
test subjects that there's an increase in libido, that is,
you know, your sex drive is kicked into high gear.
(06:39):
There's also and here's another part of this. Then listen
to this suggestibility that is that if you are applied
with a drug, it makes you compliant, and the person
that is applying the drug has targeted this individual man
or woman. They're watching this individual maybe from across the room,
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and what they're looking for is to somebody for somebody
that's not protecting their drink, because that's the easiest way
to get it on board if you're doing it and
you want to go unnoticed. And maybe the more intoxicated
an individual becomes, you lose a sense of awareness anyway,
kind of woozy anyway. I'm not saying you're in a
dream state, but you might not be as on your
(07:25):
game otherwise. And then you've got this person that means
to do you harm in the worst way possible.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
On top of those feelings of everything you're describing, the
mood it puts you in, and the physical inability you
have to actually be your best version of yourself. Now
you've got Steven Lorenzo and his roommate Scott Schweikert. These
two guys actually connected with one another online in Cana
in chat rooms online talking about fantasies of rape and
(07:56):
all this other crazy stuff online, so that when they
became roommates and then got the GHB and went into
the gay clubs of Tampa. Holy moly, Joe, it's not
just one guy at the bar talking to you. One
of these guys could have been sitting off to the
side watching as the drug takes effect on the victim,
and when it's time to escort them out, Hey, he's
(08:16):
had one too many. Let's get him out. And then
you've got a two on one scenario. World one is
totally the victim incapable of defending themselves at all.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And that's the thing about it. It's almost like, and
I've got this, I'm kind of a simple minded person.
I have this vision of a pack of hyenas kind
of circling a wounded will to beast on one of
those nature shows the will to best. Though they'll even attempt,
in their own feeble way to fight back, you know,
they'll resist. But if you've got these predators that are
(08:50):
kind of in your orbit, now, they're just circling, they're
just waiting, they're waiting, and you can actually get the
individual under your power of suggestion, and hey, why don't
we go somewhere else. Oh man, Yeah, that sounds great
there in this uphoric state, And the next thing you know,
you're in the back of a vehicle going to literally
(09:11):
the pit of Hell. I could rattle off names now
(09:33):
probably and you'd recognize them. We could talk about, obviously
at the top list is Jeffrey Dahmer. We could talk
about the alleged lisc killer. Any number of serial perpetrators
come to mind. And one of the things that is
common to all of these subjects, either confirmed or alleged,
(09:58):
is decide idea of control, control over an individual who
the perpetrator has dehumanized. They're no longer human to the perpetrator.
They are in a position of vulnerability and they are
malleable to anything that happens. But here's the trick. If
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you're going to do this, if you're going to control somebody,
what are you going to take them? We're going to
do with them? Because that's the big key here.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The house that Stephen Lorenzo and Scotti Schlagger were living in,
it was just these two guys with a rape, murder,
torture fantasy world that goes beyond the pale that that
was actually their connection. The reason they became friends is
because they both had fantasies of torturing other people, of
raping people and killing them. And that's where they got
(10:54):
together and ended up becoming roommates and then had a
game plan. They figured out exactly what to do and
how to get it done. They went into the gay
clubs in Tampa, they picked out who they were going
to get. And I didn't realize until today exactly how
GHB worked the way you explained it a few minutes ago, Joe,
I didn't know that. I now know that it wasn't
(11:17):
a difficult thing to step to pick out the prey
and get them out and get them back to a
private setting. They don't have to find a place. They're
not having to pull around in a dark alley or
go out there. They've got a place to go. Let's
go back to my place. Let's take the party to
my place.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Just think about it for one second when you think
about the nature of this drug and how it impacts
the person that has been exposed to it. Because you
could see, for instance, you've got three adults in this case,
three adult males, who you can imagine if you visually
see them, all these you know, you're not talking about
(11:54):
a young kid that's screaming for their parents. You know,
help me, help me. You're talking about somebody that it
appears compliant and game for anything. And so you've got
this compliant subject that's being led into this environment. It's
not you know, if the neighbors see it, all right,
or somebody driving down the road sees them, they're going
(12:15):
to say, well, that's three adults hanging out. It looks
like they're having a great time. But you know, it
masks the reality of what's actually going on. It's amazing
when you think about it, that you can give someone
a substance that does, in fact muld them into this
being that is totally and completely compliant. And that again
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going back to this analogous to the pit of Hell,
you're actually ushering them over the threshold into this environment
and they're not fighting it, Dave, They're not fighting at all.
They're willingly, at least from a drug induced standpoint, willingly
going in and passing through that portal.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
This happened in two thousand and three two different men,
Jason Gelhaus and Michael Walchhol's Steven Lorenzo in a Tampa
night club. They both were taken back to Lorenzo's house
where he and Scott Schweiker. They basically kidnapped them because
these guys would not have gone willingly had they known
what was going to happen. But they were kidnapped, drugged,
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sexually tortured, and then they were both killed. Whereas Jason Galehouse,
his body was cut up and stuffed the parts into
trash bags and then ditched them in garbage bins all
around the city of Tampa. That didn't happen to Michael Walkholt.
He actually was found in his car, wrapped in a
(13:38):
sheet in his jeep in apartment complex parking area.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
A decomposing mantu. He was found a particularly lengthy tom later,
you know, because most people don't expect to see something
like that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
No, And the thing that got everybody freaking out is
that they weren't the only two guys that went missing.
I think there were nine guys that were missing in
a fairly short period of time, and these two come
up dead at one was dismembered and one was not.
One was actually totally disposed of where we still haven't
been able to find him, and the other was, hey,
(14:13):
he's right there in his own car.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Can I tell you what they did find of Gaelhouse,
even though his body was never actually recovered during the
course of the investigation. What they did find at Lorenzo's
home is that when they went into the garage, they
actually found evidence of Gaelhouse's blood on the floor. And
(14:35):
one of the things that keeps coming up in this
case in particular, but in other cases as well, is
the specter of dismemberment. Here we go again, Dave.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
You mentioned that a while back, Joe, that we seem
to be getting a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, we really do. I don't know, it's probably just
this idea that we're more focused on it, or maybe
I don't know. It seems to me the world they're
less boundaries now, even for killers. But that is part
of I love the Latin term corpus delecti, because you
have evidence of violence that has taken place here, and
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why else would this total stranger's blood be on the
floor of his garage. And a dismemberment, again, is something
that requires some level of not just tools, but it
requires prophecy. This is not something you're going to go
out in the front yard and do.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Can we back up to the blood in the garage
for just a minute, Joe. The way it was described
in court was that it was a pool of blood
under the floor of Lorenzo's garage, the floor being those
big brick things that you can use as a flooring area,
and I'm guessing the blood seeped underneath those, and they
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called it a pool of blood. How long will blood
remain where you can actually see was there and test
it from the time it comes out of my body?
How long are you going to be able to find
it in that dirt?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You can find it for a protracted period of time.
It's amazing how resilient it is. I sound like I'm
talking out of both sides of my mouth, but just
bear with me. If it is in a cool, more
protected area, say like underflooring like this, or remember this
is down in Tampa, all right, So we're talking about
a harsh environment, all right, from you're in a semi
(16:19):
tropical environment down there, and you're thinking about, well, it
would change very quickly. You can still find some remnant
of it. And here's something else. The fact that they're
using the term pool associated with seepach gives you an
idea of what volume that there was that after this
time they're still able to appreciate it. Now, would you
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be able to use it. I think many people would think, well,
would you actually be able to use this degraded blood,
it would still give up enough information from a toxicological
standpoint where you could actually see evidence of GHB in
that No, I don't think to that point. However, you
would still see I think even microscopically, if you were
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to examine it eyes on, you could see decomposing remnant
of the blood at a microscopic level, and you would
probably be able to which I think they did in
this case, confirm at least at a molecular level that
this blood was associated with Gealehouse. Plus you would need
the circumstantial evidence. Would someone actually roll over on another
(17:28):
person and confess to this? Dave? Do you recall in
(17:51):
our opening I had mentioned the magnifying glass and seeing
what it would be like to burn insects. One of
the most distasteful parts of that, I think for me personally,
I can't speak to anybody else, is that even as
a little boy, you look at this and you can
sense that there's some level of discomfort and pain when
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you do this. One of the things that's quite off
putting about it. But as I mentioned when we first
set forth, on this conversation. I think that some people
are incapable of that. As a matter of fact, I
think that some people long to see that discomfort. Recently,
I had watched a piece on the Marquis de Side.
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The term sadism actually arises from his name and the
depths that he sunk to this debauchery, this horrible basement
of human behavior he in dwelled, and I think that
there is not just a touch, not just a touch.
I think that this whole series of crimes is a
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wash in satus.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
When I read the survivor description of what he went through,
I think you're exactly right, Joe. This is what Albert
Perkins said. Albert Perkins was drugged and attacked by Lorenzo
and was one of the few that lived to tell
the tale about this. He said this quote. I was panicked, hysterical.
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I remember him sitting. He turned me over. He was
sitting on the side of the bed. His face he
just didn't look the same. Nothing behind his eyes, they
were dark. His face was contorted, which further panicked me.
Perkins said. He slipped in and out of consciousness, and
when he finally came to, Lorenzo was in complete control. Quote,
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my arms and my legs were bound and some twine
rope around my neck. I had duct tape over my
eyes and mouth.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't know that you can take the measure of that, really.
I don't want to get too far off into the
world dads talking about areas that psychologists would get into here.
But from a forensic standpoint, you see evidence of this,
and you go out to these scenes and you see
things like, you know, one of the things we'd look for,
things like binding materials out there, and you have to
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address it. It's the elephant in the room at that
point in time. You've got binding materials. And one of
the things that you see with kidnapped victims many times
when you're looking at bodies is you'll see like adhesive residue.
We all know what duct tape looks like. A strip
of duct tape is put over the eyes or over
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the mouth. If someone has facial hair, has the hair
been ripped out as a result. I've found literally I
found duct tape at scenes that contained human hair where
it had been removed and then maybe fresh had been reapplied,
because it'll begin to turn loose as a result of
you know, the moisture interacting with the adhesive. But you'll
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see that residue of adhesive and it's something that we
take note of in the more to try to tell
the story of what's happening. And this fellow was mentioning
the use of twine and being a very narrow type
of binding. It's not like you're using some kind of
broad woven rope here. It's going to dig in and say,
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for instance, we find a body that has been bound
by something like twine, you'll have these very deep furrows
because the more narrow the binding is, the deeper the
furrow will be, and there'll be evidence of that. But
here's the thing. When you begin to think about the
actions of the GHB, as he is has an awareness
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he's in this kind of and they describe it like
a dream like state. Most of the time you have
an awareness this is going on. Maybe in your brain
you're screaming out this is not right, but you have
no control of your body. It's almost as if if
people in the audience can identify if you've ever had
surgery where they push that initial drug into to the
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line and you get in this kind of milky warm state,
and they could essentially do anything to you in surgery,
which they're going to do. They're going to do a
bit of cutting, and you don't want to have an
awareness of that, but there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Albert Perkins said, this went on for five hours. It
wasn't just a hey, I'm tied up. It was, like
you said, it's a dream state. He knew what was
going on for the most part, but he couldn't do
anything about it. And five hours of torture. I'm thinking
about struggling from the twine, because you know, we all
know what twine feels like on your skin. I can't
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imagine he had to have been just struggling, even in
that dream state to get out the pain that would
have just come from that alone. But Joe, when we're
dealing with a sexual assault, how are you going to
go back and determine on men? What are the sexual
assault kits? Like? I have no clue.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh no, no, there's no difference between the sexual assault kits.
They're the same and to purpose the same more than likely.
It's just that with when we're dealing with a male body.
I'm going to be very blunt here. We're dealing with
a male body. First off, we're going to do swabs
externally all over the body to see if there is
any kind of ejaculate that's left behind. And this is
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facilitated rather easily. We have kits for this. But when
we do a rape kit on males, just like with females,
what will generally happen is that you will have multiple
swabs that are actually placed into the rectum and they'll
be allowed to sit in there for several minutes because
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you want anything that is in there, you want it
to be absorbed into the tip of the swabs. And
the victim who we have the intact body, which is
mister Wackoltz who is found decomposing in his jeep. This
is and keep in mind he sat in that jeep
for two weeks, Dave two weeks, and so that even
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furthers this because at a cellular level, in the bowel
in particular, you have this environment where you have the
cellular breakdown that's taking place. That's one of the reasons
we kind of have this liquefied event that's going on
when you have what referred to as purge that are
issuing out from the mouth and any bodily oriphics. Many
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times there's kind of the seepitch. It's a it's one
of the foulest substances you can ever smell in the world.
Is there a chance that you could recover some evidence
of semen that's still contained in that area per a
rape kit, It's going to be very difficult. So our
default position in a case like this where we have
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a decomposed body is we're going to look for external
trauma around the anus, for instance. And here's the thing.
When you begin to look for this trauma, you're looking
for contusions, you're looking for tearing, and you have to
have a very keen eye as a pathologist, these forensic
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pathologists that do these exams, because that particular area of
the body will be greatly compromised. And I don't know
if you're aware of this, but any orifice in the
body during the course of decomposition, that's where flies actually
first set in and lay their eggs. So you'll have
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the rectal area, you'll have the mouth, the ears, the nose,
the eyes. You have fly eggs and the eyes they
go for those moist and warm areas, so you have
maggot development in that area as well. So they're trying
to feed, they're trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So is it really a true thing not just out
of the movies that forensic people can use fly stuff
to determine how long a person has been dead or
has been in the vehicle in this case.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, you sure can, because what happens is there's if
you think of it as revolution are cycles, which is
what my friends in entomology like to They use that
term a lot. The life cycle of the common blowfly.
You find maggot husk that are laying about, and that's
where the maggots are going through their progression to becoming
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full on adult flies. Here's another little unknown that you
might find interesting day. Did you know that if we
have a decomposing body, that we can take maggot samples
from the body and dig this, place them into a centrifuge,
which is into a tube, and seal it up, place
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it in a centrifuge which spins things right, It spins
it down, and it spins it down until the maggots
are actually liquefied. And guess what we can do with that.
We can actually draw it up, run it for drug testing.
We can see if there are any drugs on board there. Now,
it's kind of iffy as to whether or not you
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could pick up on GHP in a maggot sample, but
you can find cocaine or cocaine metabolite. You can find
the metabolite of heroin many times in dwelling within these
liquefied maggots. That's always been fascinating to me, because the
bugs not only are giving you an indication of timeline,
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they're also giving you an indication as to what they've ingested,
what they've subsisted off of, which is this human remainance
before them.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know, you mentioned something about Michael Walcholtz. We're talking
about him being in his jeep and decomposing over two weeks.
One thing I wanted to bring out, and it goes
back to the actual scene taking place, these men meeting
in a bar, going back to Lorenzo's house to have
a party or what have you. But we do know,
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because there was the specter of the death penalty hanging
overhead that deven Lorenzo's partner in crime, Scott schweikertually provided
the prosecution and thankfully we got more information from him
of what actually took place. Otherwise, it would be a
more of a guessing game. But he actually gave us
what happened to Michael Walcoltz, and he said that walcaults
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when this was when he was being tortured, when he
was going through this hell on earth. He screamed, as
Steven Lorenzo, this is not consensual. Anybody tries to play
they were playing a sex game and it went too far.
Just to be crystal clear. Scott Schweikert, who was there
when it happened, said this man knew what was happening
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to him and said, this is not consensual. The other part, Joe,
I have from watching television shows and movies. I thought
GHB was not detectable in the body within a matter
of hours, within like twelve hours or whatever. I thought
it was cleared out of the body and you couldn't
find it. Is that not true?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, it is. And because it metabolizes very very quickly
and kind of exits the body, I think that there
are any number of people that are out there that
kind of labor under this delusion that you can test
for it and find it in a very short period
of time. Now, if the person dies before the drug
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is actually metabolized, and exits the body, you're going to
have a better shot at it. So how long did
this go on? Post application of the drug? And it
does kind of wear off pretty quickly, but it leaves
you in a state of misremembering things or not just
losing huge blocks of time of your life where you
(29:38):
can't account for what had happened. In these cases like this,
where these fellows that did survive, in fact, they're going
to wake up and they're going to have pain throughout
their body because they've been abused. And I don't have
to go into gorey detail about that, but you can
only imagine some of the pain that they would be
experiencing and they don't have any explanation for it, and
(29:59):
they might go back to the bar, and I think
many times that victims like this are embarrassed. You know,
they're embarrassed to want to go back and say, hey,
did you see me leave here with somebody last night,
because it gives you the impression that they were not
in control of themselves, that they were that easily influenced,
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where it's not their person being influenced, it's this drug
that's acting upon them. Now, we'll take samples of various
tissues to see if we can find evidence muscle in particular.
But when you get a body that is so compromised
by decomposition, I think that it would be quite the
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climb for any practitioner to try to determine if GHB
is on board, and the odds are against you. I'll
put it to you that way, most of the time
GHB is going to be picked up on if I
remember correctly, through the urine, and urine is the best
sample to go through and to try to find it
that way, so you don't know if it would have
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expel from the body or what would have happened. But
to that point, I think that even though you have
this GHB on board, and this is what I was
talking about relative to a torture event, you have these
two fellows in particular that are being asphyxiated Dave, and
you can see this even with someone that is in
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a drug state. Your body is going to react. You
know that primal brain is going to kick in. You'll
begin to struggle for air and you will fight, you'll resist,
And I think that that's where this sadistic element comes in.
You sit back and whether it's a literature around the
throat or whether it's a bag over the head, you
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will see this individual react to deprivation of oxygen and
it's a horrible thing. I'm just so thankful that this
person is off the street as well as his compatriot, because,
as it turns out, Lorenzo has already been convicted of,
you know, raping and torturing nine men and has a
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federal sentence of I think two hundred years, is that correct.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, he was sentenced to the two hundred years in prison.
And for many people, you think, well, he's done, we
don't have to worry. Well, there's still family left that
needs justice for their loved one. In this particular case,
we have two young men who were murdered that their
families are still suffering because of what Steve Lorenzo did.
It took many, many years to get Steven Lorenzo in
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court to be tried, convicted, and sentenced in the cases
of Jason Galehouse and Michael Walkoll's.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And when that did happen, Dave, I think that it
was for families. There's no replacing, you know, those that
you love. But just for a moment in time, the
family members of these victims actually had a chance to
stand in court until Lorenzo what he had robbed them of,
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and to tell the court that Lorenzo no longer deserved
to be among us. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Bodybacks
Buddy Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't know about y'all,
but when I was a little boy, I was given
a magnifying glass, and it was probably one of the
most wondrous gifts that I ever had. I would go
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about in my grandmother's backyard in North Louisiana, and I
would look at everything from blades of grass to sand.
I had a huge sandpile. I was fascinated by how
sand looked under high magnification. You pick out all of
these details that exist. But you know, being a young boy,
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one of the things that I was also fascinated by
was the ability to concentrate the intensity of the sun's
light and the subsequent heat that resulted from that. Started
out burning leaves and that sort of thing, and when
that didn't satisfy me, I find ants and other bugs.
But there was something within me that I retreated from it.
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I couldn't do it over a period of time because
I began to actually feel bad about burning ants. There
are people among us that don't have the capacity, I think,
to understand the pain of others, whether they be insects
or fellow human beings. Today, we're going to talk about
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one such person, a person by the name of Stephen Lorenzo,
who I'll go ahead and tell you now wound up
being convicted of two deaths, but he is associated with
the torture of many, many others, a few of which survived.
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I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body backs. Brother Dave.
Do you ever have those cases that when we begin
to kind of talk about them and read through these details,
they kind of set your teeth on edge, that kind
of make you squirm a little.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Bit when you get into the nitty gritty. Steven Lorenzo,
every way you turn, there's something more evil than the
last thing. Just to give everybody a bird's eye view,
we're talking about crimes that happened in two thousand and
three and just got a sentence this year, twenty years later.
And I want to know, first of all, what is
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GHB because it plays a big role. I know we've
heard it called the day rape drug, but I need
to know what it is, what it does, because this
is where Steven Lorenzo and his roommate started trolling gay
clubs in Tampa in two thousand and three. A number
of gay men went missing in the Tampa, Florida area
in Tampa Bay and Stephen Lorenzo and his roommate actually
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went picked up these guys in gay bars, went back
to Lorenzo's house and they tortured these men. Some of
the men have no memory whatsoever of what took place.
They just knew the after effects. They knew they had
marks on their body, and didn't remember how they happened.
We have two of them that died, one never found
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and one that was basically laid out on display in
his own vehicle in his apartment complex parking area. That's
who Stephen Lorenzo is in terms of a murderer and
damager of people. Did I just make up a word damager?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, okay, I'll allow it. In the words of the hangover, yeah,
I'll allow it. GHP. It is a drug that really
serves no purpose whatsoever. It's something that is essentially produced illegally,
and it's the actual name is gamma hydroxy buterrate. It's
a compound that is created generally in a clandestine lab
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and it has been around now for years. And let
me give you some of the other and before I
get into the nature of it, let me give you
some of the other names that it goes by, and
this actually comes from the DEA and these are the
names that you encounter on the street. So just bear
with me one second. The first one ought to give
you an idea right out of the box. The first
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one is it's called easy lay l A y G standalone, Georgia,
Homeboy GHB, obviously, goop, grievous, get this one. You're ready
for this one. Grievous, bodily harm. Does that kind of
paint a picture? Liquid ecstasy liquid X and scoop is
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another one, uh, and it you can find it in
a powder form. It's liquified as well. Here's kind of
the insidious part to this. It has no color in
the liquid form, it has no odor, and it's tasteless.
So you could just be hanging out in a bar
and anyone that has just a dropper of this, and
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it doesn't take much, just put a tiny little drop
into someone's drink and what will generally happen is that
the person will be in to experience some level of euphoria.
But as this drug goes to work, particularly in the
long term, you develop almost a temporary amnesia. Dave, and
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you know what, you were saying, you got these guys
out there that have gotten marks all of their bodies,
And can you imagine waking up on the side of
the road somewhere at some point in time, and you've
got marks all over your body and you can't explain them.
How bizarre would that be?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
If you were in a bar and everybody's dancing and
having a good time, and you have this little bial
of liquid, just a little bit, and somebody turns their
back and you just reach over and pour it in
their drink, and that's all it would take to basically
render this person it within a matter of a short
period of time, rendered them unable to defend themselves. Is
that what we're talking about here?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, exactly. And there are some people that actually take
it recreationally, if you can imagine that, because they The
idea is that, first off, all inhibitions go out the window.
The pharmacology types that study it have noted that in
test subjects that there's an increase in libido, that is,
you know, your sex drive is kicked into high gear.
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There's also and here's another part of this. Then listen
to this suggestibility that is that if you are applied
with a drug, it makes you compliant, and the person
that is applying the drug has targeted this individual man
or woman. They're watching this individual maybe from across the room,
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and what they're looking for is to somebody for somebody
that's not protecting their drink, because that's the easiest way
to get it on board if you're doing it and
you want to go unnoticed. And maybe the more intoxicated
an individual becomes, you lose a sense of awareness anyway,
kind of woozy anyway. I'm not saying you're in a
dream state, but you might not be as on your
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game otherwise. And then you've got this person that means
to do you harm in the worst way possible.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
On top of those feelings of everything you're describing, the
mood it puts you in, and the physical inability you
have to actually be your best version of yourself. Now
you've got Steven Lorenzo and his roommate Scott Schweikert. These
two guys actually connected with one another online in Cana
in chat rooms online talking about fantasies of rape and
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all this other crazy stuff online, so that when they
became roommates and then got the GHB and went into
the gay clubs of Tampa. Holy moly, Joe, it's not
just one guy at the bar talking to you. One
of these guys could have been sitting off to the
side watching as the drug takes effect on the victim,
and when it's time to escort them out, Hey, he's
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had one too many. Let's get him out. And then
you've got a two on one scenario. World one is
totally the victim incapable of defending themselves at all.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And that's the thing about it. It's almost like, and
I've got this, I'm kind of a simple minded person.
I have this vision of a pack of hyenas kind
of circling a wounded will to beast on one of
those nature shows the will to best. Though they'll even attempt,
in their own feeble way to fight back, you know,
they'll resist. But if you've got these predators that are
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kind of in your orbit, now, they're just circling, they're
just waiting, they're waiting, and you can actually get the
individual under your power of suggestion, and hey, why don't
we go somewhere else. Oh man, Yeah, that sounds great
there in this uphoric state, And the next thing you know,
you're in the back of a vehicle going to literally
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the pit of Hell. I could rattle off names now
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probably and you'd recognize them. We could talk about, obviously
at the top list is Jeffrey Dahmer. We could talk
about the alleged lisc killer. Any number of serial perpetrators
come to mind. And one of the things that is
common to all of these subjects, either confirmed or alleged,
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is decide idea of control, control over an individual who
the perpetrator has dehumanized. They're no longer human to the perpetrator.
They are in a position of vulnerability and they are
malleable to anything that happens. But here's the trick. If
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you're going to do this, if you're going to control somebody,
what are you going to take them? We're going to
do with them? Because that's the big key here.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The house that Stephen Lorenzo and Scotti Schlagger were living in,
it was just these two guys with a rape, murder,
torture fantasy world that goes beyond the pale that that
was actually their connection. The reason they became friends is
because they both had fantasies of torturing other people, of
raping people and killing them. And that's where they got
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together and ended up becoming roommates and then had a
game plan. They figured out exactly what to do and
how to get it done. They went into the gay
clubs in Tampa, they picked out who they were going
to get. And I didn't realize until today exactly how
GHB worked the way you explained it a few minutes ago, Joe,
I didn't know that. I now know that it wasn't
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a difficult thing to step to pick out the prey
and get them out and get them back to a
private setting. They don't have to find a place. They're
not having to pull around in a dark alley or
go out there. They've got a place to go. Let's
go back to my place. Let's take the party to
my place.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Just think about it for one second when you think
about the nature of this drug and how it impacts
the person that has been exposed to it. Because you
could see, for instance, you've got three adults in this case,
three adult males, who you can imagine if you visually
see them, all these you know, you're not talking about
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a young kid that's screaming for their parents. You know,
help me, help me. You're talking about somebody that it
appears compliant and game for anything. And so you've got
this compliant subject that's being led into this environment. It's
not you know, if the neighbors see it, all right,
or somebody driving down the road sees them, they're going
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to say, well, that's three adults hanging out. It looks
like they're having a great time. But you know, it
masks the reality of what's actually going on. It's amazing
when you think about it, that you can give someone
a substance that does, in fact muld them into this
being that is totally and completely compliant. And that again
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going back to this analogous to the pit of Hell,
you're actually ushering them over the threshold into this environment
and they're not fighting it, Dave, They're not fighting at all.
They're willingly, at least from a drug induced standpoint, willingly
going in and passing through that portal.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
This happened in two thousand and three two different men,
Jason Gelhaus and Michael Walchhol's Steven Lorenzo in a Tampa
night club. They both were taken back to Lorenzo's house
where he and Scott Schweiker. They basically kidnapped them because
these guys would not have gone willingly had they known
what was going to happen. But they were kidnapped, drugged,
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sexually tortured, and then they were both killed. Whereas Jason Galehouse,
his body was cut up and stuffed the parts into
trash bags and then ditched them in garbage bins all
around the city of Tampa. That didn't happen to Michael Walkholt.
He actually was found in his car, wrapped in a
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sheet in his jeep in apartment complex parking area.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
A decomposing mantu. He was found a particularly lengthy tom later,
you know, because most people don't expect to see something
like that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
No, And the thing that got everybody freaking out is
that they weren't the only two guys that went missing.
I think there were nine guys that were missing in
a fairly short period of time, and these two come
up dead at one was dismembered and one was not.
One was actually totally disposed of where we still haven't
been able to find him, and the other was, hey,
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he's right there in his own car.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Can I tell you what they did find of Gaelhouse,
even though his body was never actually recovered during the
course of the investigation. What they did find at Lorenzo's
home is that when they went into the garage, they
actually found evidence of Gaelhouse's blood on the floor. And
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one of the things that keeps coming up in this
case in particular, but in other cases as well, is
the specter of dismemberment. Here we go again, Dave.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
You mentioned that a while back, Joe, that we seem
to be getting a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, we really do. I don't know, it's probably just
this idea that we're more focused on it, or maybe
I don't know. It seems to me the world they're
less boundaries now, even for killers. But that is part
of I love the Latin term corpus delecti, because you
have evidence of violence that has taken place here, and
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why else would this total stranger's blood be on the
floor of his garage. And a dismemberment, again, is something
that requires some level of not just tools, but it
requires prophecy. This is not something you're going to go
out in the front yard and do.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Can we back up to the blood in the garage
for just a minute, Joe. The way it was described
in court was that it was a pool of blood
under the floor of Lorenzo's garage, the floor being those
big brick things that you can use as a flooring area,
and I'm guessing the blood seeped underneath those, and they
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called it a pool of blood. How long will blood
remain where you can actually see was there and test
it from the time it comes out of my body?
How long are you going to be able to find
it in that dirt?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You can find it for a protracted period of time.
It's amazing how resilient it is. I sound like I'm
talking out of both sides of my mouth, but just
bear with me. If it is in a cool, more
protected area, say like underflooring like this, or remember this
is down in Tampa, all right, So we're talking about
a harsh environment, all right, from you're in a semi
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tropical environment down there, and you're thinking about, well, it
would change very quickly. You can still find some remnant
of it. And here's something else. The fact that they're
using the term pool associated with seepach gives you an
idea of what volume that there was that after this
time they're still able to appreciate it. Now, would you
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be able to use it. I think many people would think, well,
would you actually be able to use this degraded blood,
it would still give up enough information from a toxicological
standpoint where you could actually see evidence of GHB in
that No, I don't think to that point. However, you
would still see I think even microscopically, if you were
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to examine it eyes on, you could see decomposing remnant
of the blood at a microscopic level, and you would
probably be able to which I think they did in
this case, confirm at least at a molecular level that
this blood was associated with Gealehouse. Plus you would need
the circumstantial evidence. Would someone actually roll over on another
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person and confess to this? Dave? Do you recall in
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our opening I had mentioned the magnifying glass and seeing
what it would be like to burn insects. One of
the most distasteful parts of that, I think for me personally,
I can't speak to anybody else, is that even as
a little boy, you look at this and you can
sense that there's some level of discomfort and pain when
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you do this. One of the things that's quite off
putting about it. But as I mentioned when we first
set forth, on this conversation. I think that some people
are incapable of that. As a matter of fact, I
think that some people long to see that discomfort. Recently,
I had watched a piece on the Marquis de Side.
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The term sadism actually arises from his name and the
depths that he sunk to this debauchery, this horrible basement
of human behavior he in dwelled, and I think that
there is not just a touch, not just a touch.
I think that this whole series of crimes is a
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wash in satus.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
When I read the survivor description of what he went through,
I think you're exactly right, Joe. This is what Albert
Perkins said. Albert Perkins was drugged and attacked by Lorenzo
and was one of the few that lived to tell
the tale about this. He said this quote. I was panicked, hysterical.
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I remember him sitting. He turned me over. He was
sitting on the side of the bed. His face he
just didn't look the same. Nothing behind his eyes, they
were dark. His face was contorted, which further panicked me.
Perkins said. He slipped in and out of consciousness, and
when he finally came to, Lorenzo was in complete control. Quote,
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my arms and my legs were bound and some twine
rope around my neck. I had duct tape over my
eyes and mouth.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't know that you can take the measure of that, really.
I don't want to get too far off into the
world dads talking about areas that psychologists would get into here.
But from a forensic standpoint, you see evidence of this,
and you go out to these scenes and you see
things like, you know, one of the things we'd look for,
things like binding materials out there, and you have to
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address it. It's the elephant in the room at that
point in time. You've got binding materials. And one of
the things that you see with kidnapped victims many times
when you're looking at bodies is you'll see like adhesive residue.
We all know what duct tape looks like. A strip
of duct tape is put over the eyes or over
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the mouth. If someone has facial hair, has the hair
been ripped out as a result. I've found literally I
found duct tape at scenes that contained human hair where
it had been removed and then maybe fresh had been reapplied,
because it'll begin to turn loose as a result of
you know, the moisture interacting with the adhesive. But you'll
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see that residue of adhesive and it's something that we
take note of in the more to try to tell
the story of what's happening. And this fellow was mentioning
the use of twine and being a very narrow type
of binding. It's not like you're using some kind of
broad woven rope here. It's going to dig in and say,
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for instance, we find a body that has been bound
by something like twine, you'll have these very deep furrows
because the more narrow the binding is, the deeper the
furrow will be, and there'll be evidence of that. But
here's the thing. When you begin to think about the
actions of the GHB, as he is has an awareness
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he's in this kind of and they describe it like
a dream like state. Most of the time you have
an awareness this is going on. Maybe in your brain
you're screaming out this is not right, but you have
no control of your body. It's almost as if if
people in the audience can identify if you've ever had
surgery where they push that initial drug into to the
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line and you get in this kind of milky warm state,
and they could essentially do anything to you in surgery,
which they're going to do. They're going to do a
bit of cutting, and you don't want to have an
awareness of that, but there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Albert Perkins said, this went on for five hours. It
wasn't just a hey, I'm tied up. It was, like
you said, it's a dream state. He knew what was
going on for the most part, but he couldn't do
anything about it. And five hours of torture. I'm thinking
about struggling from the twine, because you know, we all
know what twine feels like on your skin. I can't
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imagine he had to have been just struggling, even in
that dream state to get out the pain that would
have just come from that alone. But Joe, when we're
dealing with a sexual assault, how are you going to
go back and determine on men? What are the sexual
assault kits? Like? I have no clue.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh no, no, there's no difference between the sexual assault kits.
They're the same and to purpose the same more than likely.
It's just that with when we're dealing with a male body.
I'm going to be very blunt here. We're dealing with
a male body. First off, we're going to do swabs
externally all over the body to see if there is
any kind of ejaculate that's left behind. And this is
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facilitated rather easily. We have kits for this. But when
we do a rape kit on males, just like with females,
what will generally happen is that you will have multiple
swabs that are actually placed into the rectum and they'll
be allowed to sit in there for several minutes because
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you want anything that is in there, you want it
to be absorbed into the tip of the swabs. And
the victim who we have the intact body, which is
mister Wackoltz who is found decomposing in his jeep. This
is and keep in mind he sat in that jeep
for two weeks, Dave two weeks, and so that even
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furthers this because at a cellular level, in the bowel
in particular, you have this environment where you have the
cellular breakdown that's taking place. That's one of the reasons
we kind of have this liquefied event that's going on
when you have what referred to as purge that are
issuing out from the mouth and any bodily oriphics. Many
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times there's kind of the seepitch. It's a it's one
of the foulest substances you can ever smell in the world.
Is there a chance that you could recover some evidence
of semen that's still contained in that area per a
rape kit, It's going to be very difficult. So our
default position in a case like this where we have
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a decomposed body is we're going to look for external
trauma around the anus, for instance. And here's the thing.
When you begin to look for this trauma, you're looking
for contusions, you're looking for tearing, and you have to
have a very keen eye as a pathologist, these forensic
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pathologists that do these exams, because that particular area of
the body will be greatly compromised. And I don't know
if you're aware of this, but any orifice in the
body during the course of decomposition, that's where flies actually
first set in and lay their eggs. So you'll have
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the rectal area, you'll have the mouth, the ears, the nose,
the eyes. You have fly eggs and the eyes they
go for those moist and warm areas, so you have
maggot development in that area as well. So they're trying
to feed, they're trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So is it really a true thing not just out
of the movies that forensic people can use fly stuff
to determine how long a person has been dead or
has been in the vehicle in this case.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, you sure can, because what happens is there's if
you think of it as revolution are cycles, which is
what my friends in entomology like to They use that
term a lot. The life cycle of the common blowfly.
You find maggot husk that are laying about, and that's
where the maggots are going through their progression to becoming
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full on adult flies. Here's another little unknown that you
might find interesting day. Did you know that if we
have a decomposing body, that we can take maggot samples
from the body and dig this, place them into a centrifuge,
which is into a tube, and seal it up, place
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it in a centrifuge which spins things right, It spins
it down, and it spins it down until the maggots
are actually liquefied. And guess what we can do with that.
We can actually draw it up, run it for drug testing.
We can see if there are any drugs on board there. Now,
it's kind of iffy as to whether or not you
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could pick up on GHP in a maggot sample, but
you can find cocaine or cocaine metabolite. You can find
the metabolite of heroin many times in dwelling within these
liquefied maggots. That's always been fascinating to me, because the
bugs not only are giving you an indication of timeline,
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they're also giving you an indication as to what they've ingested,
what they've subsisted off of, which is this human remainance
before them.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know, you mentioned something about Michael Walcholtz. We're talking
about him being in his jeep and decomposing over two weeks.
One thing I wanted to bring out, and it goes
back to the actual scene taking place, these men meeting
in a bar, going back to Lorenzo's house to have
a party or what have you. But we do know,
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because there was the specter of the death penalty hanging
overhead that deven Lorenzo's partner in crime, Scott schweikertually provided
the prosecution and thankfully we got more information from him
of what actually took place. Otherwise, it would be a
more of a guessing game. But he actually gave us
what happened to Michael Walcoltz, and he said that walcaults
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when this was when he was being tortured, when he
was going through this hell on earth. He screamed, as
Steven Lorenzo, this is not consensual. Anybody tries to play
they were playing a sex game and it went too far.
Just to be crystal clear. Scott Schweikert, who was there
when it happened, said this man knew what was happening
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to him and said, this is not consensual. The other part, Joe,
I have from watching television shows and movies. I thought
GHB was not detectable in the body within a matter
of hours, within like twelve hours or whatever. I thought
it was cleared out of the body and you couldn't
find it. Is that not true?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, it is. And because it metabolizes very very quickly
and kind of exits the body, I think that there
are any number of people that are out there that
kind of labor under this delusion that you can test
for it and find it in a very short period
of time. Now, if the person dies before the drug
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is actually metabolized, and exits the body, you're going to
have a better shot at it. So how long did
this go on? Post application of the drug? And it
does kind of wear off pretty quickly, but it leaves
you in a state of misremembering things or not just
losing huge blocks of time of your life where you
(29:38):
can't account for what had happened. In these cases like this,
where these fellows that did survive, in fact, they're going
to wake up and they're going to have pain throughout
their body because they've been abused. And I don't have
to go into gorey detail about that, but you can
only imagine some of the pain that they would be
experiencing and they don't have any explanation for it, and
(29:59):
they might go back to the bar, and I think
many times that victims like this are embarrassed. You know,
they're embarrassed to want to go back and say, hey,
did you see me leave here with somebody last night,
because it gives you the impression that they were not
in control of themselves, that they were that easily influenced,
(30:19):
where it's not their person being influenced, it's this drug
that's acting upon them. Now, we'll take samples of various
tissues to see if we can find evidence muscle in particular.
But when you get a body that is so compromised
by decomposition, I think that it would be quite the
(30:39):
climb for any practitioner to try to determine if GHB
is on board, and the odds are against you. I'll
put it to you that way, most of the time
GHB is going to be picked up on if I
remember correctly, through the urine, and urine is the best
sample to go through and to try to find it
that way, so you don't know if it would have
(31:00):
expel from the body or what would have happened. But
to that point, I think that even though you have
this GHB on board, and this is what I was
talking about relative to a torture event, you have these
two fellows in particular that are being asphyxiated Dave, and
you can see this even with someone that is in
(31:22):
a drug state. Your body is going to react. You
know that primal brain is going to kick in. You'll
begin to struggle for air and you will fight, you'll resist,
And I think that that's where this sadistic element comes in.
You sit back and whether it's a literature around the
throat or whether it's a bag over the head, you
(31:44):
will see this individual react to deprivation of oxygen and
it's a horrible thing. I'm just so thankful that this
person is off the street as well as his compatriot, because,
as it turns out, Lorenzo has already been convicted of,
you know, raping and torturing nine men and has a
(32:06):
federal sentence of I think two hundred years, is that correct.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, he was sentenced to the two hundred years in prison.
And for many people, you think, well, he's done, we
don't have to worry. Well, there's still family left that
needs justice for their loved one. In this particular case,
we have two young men who were murdered that their
families are still suffering because of what Steve Lorenzo did.
It took many, many years to get Steven Lorenzo in
(32:32):
court to be tried, convicted, and sentenced in the cases
of Jason Galehouse and Michael Walkoll's.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And when that did happen, Dave, I think that it
was for families. There's no replacing, you know, those that
you love. But just for a moment in time, the
family members of these victims actually had a chance to
stand in court until Lorenzo what he had robbed them of,
(33:03):
and to tell the court that Lorenzo no longer deserved
to be among us. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Bodybacks
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