November 13, 2025 • 53 mins
On January 12, 2023, the family of Tony Mitchell called for a mental health welfare check on the 33-year-old.
He has sprayed his face and body with black spray paint and claims to have a "portal to hell." When deputies show up, Mitchel discharges a weapon.
Deputies are able to get Mitchell into custody, and even though he is obviously suffering a mental health crisis, Mitchell is taken to the Walker County Jail and placed in a holding cell with a cement floor, no running water, no bathroom facilities, no elevated place for a bed, no blankets, and a drain in the floor for when jailers have to hose it out.
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss what happened to Tony Mitchell, a man who was left naked and covered in feces in a holding cell nicknamed the "Freezer" for two weeks.
Transcribe Highlights
00:06.89 Introduction
01:22.04 The Count of Monte Cristo
05:08.34 Tony Mitchell in jail
10:31.72 Tony Mitchell was having a mental health crisis
15:25.49 Justify treatment saying "he shot at cops"
20:45.54 Medical staff contracted to care for inmates
24:59.03 Mitchell holding cell not meant for longterm hold
30:13.18 Not toilet, no running water, drain in middle
35:37.41 Mitchell body temp dropping
40:10.44 Cold can bring about memory issues
45:17.42 Nurse begged jailers for three hours to take Mitchell to hospital
50:03.26 Over 20 people indicted
52:49.10 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body dots. But Joseph's gotten more. I wish I read more.
I read. I read quite a bit relative to things
that I teach, And at this point my life has
become rather wrote, because you know, the text generally say
(00:23):
the same things over and over again. I've got a
lot of it kind of buried in my brain. It's
amazing how it pops out every now and then I
can get recall all of a sudden, saying where did
that thought come from? I used to like to read
for pleasure, and I think, like a lot of people,
(00:44):
one of my favorite books, particularly as a little boy,
was The Count of Money Christo. I loved that book
of Alexander Dumont, and of course it was about a
guy that was wrongully accused, wrongfully accused, and just sent
into a torturous hell. He was able to push through
(01:11):
and eventually escape and of course exact his revenge on
those that had unjustly jailed him. I'm going to talk today, though,
about a case, and that comes from a location not
too far away from where I am right now here
in Alabama, a case that I believe, in my opinion,
(01:33):
has not gotten the national attention that it deserves. I
hope that that's going to change, because the tale I'm
about to tell you is so horrific that you're going
to lose. I can almost guarantee it. Another bit of
faith in mankind coming to you from the beautiful campus
(01:59):
of Jacksonville State and University. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and
this is Bodybags. I used to like to read when
I was a kid, Dave. I would escape through reading.
I was just telling you I didn't watch television. I
really wasn't allowed to watch a lot during the week.
And I had a couple of things kept me entertained.
(02:23):
I had two sets of encyclopedias. I had actually three.
I had two sets of World Book. One was really
old and then I had a newer version, and then
I had a set of Funk and Wagnles dictionaries. I
remember they were white and the pictures are really tiny
(02:44):
in it. And I never had great eyes, but I
loved reading. My grandmother actually accrued each one of those
copies from Safeway grocery store, and I just read through them.
But I was one of these kids that would go
to the library and pull out a book, you know,
and take it home because I could escape you know,
I think like a lot of kids did back then.
I don't know the kids necessarily do that anymore. I
(03:07):
hope they do. You know, here on campus at Jacksonville State,
we've actually got one of the I think that we
actually have the largest and I'm talking about the physical plant,
the largest library on a university campus in the state
of Alabama. And the thing is gigantic, and it's got
three hundred and sixty three views of the mountains that
(03:28):
surround the campus. Very beautiful. You need to come over
some time and I'll take you up to the top
floor and give you a bird's eye view. It's a
gorgeous wind always blows really hard up there, one of
my favorite places. Though.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, where are you going with this,
because you're talking about a library in Alexander dumah, and
I'm thinking I remember in Shawshank Redemption when one of
the nmates was looking at it and go Alexander dumbass.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And exactly, Hey, yeah, he looks like he says, you're
going to like that. That's about a prison break. Yeah,
I love that line.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But in this particular show today, we're going to talk
to about a guy named Tony Mitchell who actually was
deprived of the basic necessities of life while he was
in jail. And that, Joseph, that drives me beyond the
pale of anything else we will talk about, because just
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because somebody is in jail doesn't mean they are an animal.
And in his particular case, he was treated worse than
a rabbit. They were if they had if he had
had yellow hair, they would have shot him and said
it was old yeller. They would have said he was that.
You know, It's it's that bad of a story, and
it only gets worse the more I read about it,
the more I see about it, the more I think
(04:50):
about it, and it's like I just cannot, for the
life of me understand Joseph Scott Morgan. How in this
day and age where we spend time much of time,
especially on college campuses, talking about how we have to
respect everybody, even if they identify as a poodle dog clown,
you know that you have to treat them with dignity
(05:11):
and everything else. But we get a guy over here
who's having a mental health crisis, and instead of treating
the mental health crisis, we treat him at a level
that if we treated a dog like Tony Mitchell was treated.
We would go to jail.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, and you know, going back this kind of a
hand handed segue. You know, Tony's never going to have
an opportunity to walk into a library and sit back
and escape into a book. He's never going to know
that joy. He should have known. He should have known
the safety of a mental health facility, which, you know,
(05:49):
to our great shame in this nation, we've bought into
this idea that people that are placed into mental health
facilities may be committed as they used to be, that
it's some kind of torturous event that all mental patients
are treated this way. Now they're gone. You know, you
don't have those state run institutions like you used to.
(06:13):
I've got a This requires me to go back in
time a bit. I believe we may have spoken about
this again, you know, some time back, but just give
me a little rope. Period. When I first started out
and as a death investigator in Louisiana working for the Corner,
(06:35):
the corner actually had deputy corners. All the corners in
Louisiana or physicians, by the way, they have deputy corners there,
and they actually have on staff deputy corners that are psychiatrists,
and the corner in Louisiana is actually responsible for the
committal of mental patients. And so as an investigator, you've
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got and you'd write what was referred to as an OPCs,
an order of protective custody, and family could come in
and generally the line is, and this plays into the story,
is that this individual is a danger to themselves and others.
And you could get a temporary OPC, which I think
was like a twenty four hour hold. They could do
(07:21):
a longer one for seventy two hours, and then the
corner with consultation could do a protracted, a much longer one.
Of course that would require judicial approval. But here's the thing.
When you have that ability to make that happen, and
you've got people that are trained to do this kind
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of assessment, you don't have happened what happened to Tony
where he is essentially caged up like an animal and Dave.
These conditions that I got to tell you shock me
to my core. I've seen a lot of really grotesque
things over the years, and the way the way people
(08:03):
you know, in domestic situations treat partners, you know, For instance,
I've had a lady famously that was starved to death
by her own daughter, locked into a basement room and
had cancer that was never treated and one of the
most horrible things I've ever seen. But you know, that's
(08:24):
like a citizen that does that to another person. We're
talking about, dave an elected official, a sheriff's office who
runs the jails, and most of the time at a
local level, the sheriff is the person that is in
charge of the jail. So they are and just go
(08:44):
with me here, they are, in fact the custodian of
this person's safety. Okay, it's almost it's not quite the
same thing, but comparatively speaking, when an arrest is a
affected on somebody for whatever the reason, that official is
(09:05):
saying to the rest of the public that they serve,
we're going to care and provide for this individual. Now,
there might be people that are snickering out there and saying, well,
you've never done time in a prison, or you've never
done time in a local jail. I didn't get treated
very well there. Maybe so, and I'm sure that that's
accurate in many cases. However, in law or by law,
(09:26):
there's an expectation a constitutional expectation that you're going to
look after the rights, the welfare, the well being of
anybody that's in your custody. This poor man, Dave was
he was in a mental health crisis. As a matter
of fact, if I'm not mistaken, please correct me if
I'm wrong. His family had requested an intervention on the
(09:52):
part of the police when this whole thing kind of
kicked off. You know, now all these months.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Ago, whenever they're something that happens with regard to police
being called for a welfare check, you know, you and
I have dealt with that on so many stories, and
oftentimes that well being check is because somebody is concerned
about a loved one, haven't heard from them, or maybe
(10:19):
they're not acting right. And in this particular case, Tony Mitchell,
he was not acting, not acting. He was in a
mental health crisis. He had painted himself black and had
really begun to say and do things that scared his family.
(10:42):
He was saying that he had a portal to Hell, yeah,
and a few other things that it was enough. I mean,
if you look, if you have a loved one that's
having a mental health crisis at this level, it's not
the first one they've had. You've seen other sides of
them before where it gets to this place and you
(11:03):
recognize that this is different. We need help, and what happened?
And police arrive on the scene and Tony Mitchell shot
at them. Now we don't know what actually transpired, other
(11:24):
than we know from the family and police why they
were called that he had painted himself and he was
acting out and saying some really scary things and family
was in fear for that he would hurt himself or others.
And when police got there, they say he shot at them.
I'm willing to go with that because of the you know,
nobody's contesting that fact, right, But Tony Mitchell in his
(11:48):
right mind wouldn't have shot at cops. So I think
that we started that point because what instead, That's what
a regular saying adult would think about. What would this
I'd be like, you know, is he mean, is this
a mean guy who's just play acting so he can
start shooting and killing people, or is this a guy
really having a mental health crisis and needs help? Because
(12:10):
the way they treated him was not as if he
was having a mental health crisis. They were treating him
like monkey boy. In time to have fun.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah. And here's here's one other bit to this, Dave.
This is over in Walker, Walker County, Alabama, which is
kind of to the northwest of of of Birmingham. If
you if people are familiar with Birmingham, which one of
the larger cities in Alabama. It's a rural county, beautiful
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place by the way. And here's the thing about it.
If you're if you're working as a patrol officer, patrol deputy, sheriff, Okay,
and this guy has got a mental health history, there
is a probability, high probability that you may have run
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calls out of this house before. And this is repeated
over and over again. And it doesn't have to be
a small jurisdiction. You can go to a large jurisdiction
and the beat officers in that area say, oh, yeah,
I've been to that address a bunch. You know, we've
got somebody that lives there that's involved in drugs, that
has a hard time staying sober. And they're not only
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have a hard time staying sober, they're a mean drunk.
They've knocked around people in the family before. And then
you've got the people that literally get off of their meds, Dave.
And it's a tough job if you're a police officer
to have to go out there and kind of do
a quick assessment and understand that you know, maybe you
know you've been out there before. You've got a family.
(13:47):
It's already calling this some mental health crisis. They want
somebody to intervene, and yeah, he should not have fired
a weapon at the police. But once that situation, here's
the rub with all of this, Once that situation is interdicted, Okay,
(14:08):
once you have removed him from the weapon, the weapon
from him, you've got him under control, then it's at
that point in time you make a decision how he's
going to be handled. I don't know about you though, Dave,
but if I go out onto a scene or go
to a home and I've got some guy that has
(14:30):
taken paint and painted their face and they're saying that
right this way is a portal to hell, and they're
acting like they're seeing it. Okay, I'm going to know
that this person is not a gang leader, Okay, that
they're not out there, that they haven't just robbed a bank,
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they haven't done anything that would indicate that they're in
their right mind all right, as nefarious is robbing a
bank would be, you still have control over what you're doing.
Once that danger is resolved, the problem arises. And this
is where this really takes a nasty turn, is that,
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for whatever reason, these police officers and the jail staff
decided to take matters into their on hand. And Tony
thought he was seeing a portal to hell when he
arrived at that county jail, he was introduced to a
(15:34):
true doorway to eighties, brother David. I don't know if
you remember this case. This is a case from twenty
(15:57):
twenty two, and this happened in Atlanta, in Fulton County, Georgia,
at the Fulton County Jail, otherwise known infamously as the
as the Rice Street Jail. I've had to go there
many times to work cases when I was with the
M's Office, and it is to say the very minimum here.
(16:21):
It ain't a place that you want to go and
hang out. All right, it's bad. But this case involved
a gentleman named Leshawn Thompson. When they came across he
was dead in to sell and I don't know if
you remember this. He was eaten by bed bugs. Do
you remember that case.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I do, just because it is one of those things
that stands out in my mind of all the stories
I've heard you tell that one goes beyond anything I
can think of or what happens to an inmate. How
do you get to that point? How does that happen?
I still don't have an I don't have an understanding
of how that could happen.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't either. You know, when you get to the
point with you know, with you know, with mister Thompson's case,
that is neglect that you can't even begin to imagine.
And that Dave, you know, that's not some rural, rural
location we're talking about. This is the primary lock up
at a state level in a county. All right, Like,
if you're going to go and you're going to be
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sent to city jail in Atlanta or any of the
other municipal municipalities there in Fulton County, many times they're
sent to the Ryce Street Jail to be held. So
you're thinking that the corrections officers that are there are
going to be top flight. You know, they're going to
be well trained, They're going to know what to do.
They have to manage a huge population. I'm not saying
(17:49):
that that's an excuse relative to uh, to them neglecting
that fellow. But how much more so when you're talking
about Walker County in Alabama. The population, it ain't Fulton County, Georgia,
I'll put it to It's not Jefferson County, Alabama, the
home of Birmingham. It's just it's not a huge place.
(18:14):
So for what happened with Tony, I begin to think
about this, the staff is aware that he is there.
You know, it's not like there's you know, oh, we
forgot about him because you know that was actually one
of the things with mister Thompson's case that was so
striking is that they said, yeah, you know, you kind
of got lost in the shuffle. Wow, And I got
(18:36):
to tell you out of it. Yeah. I gotta urge
anybody that hasn't seen the images from Lashawn Thompson's case,
I beg you to go check them out. And it
is one of the most disgusting things. It's one of
the most disgusting things you're ever going to see that
a fellow human beings objected to that, and David got
to tell you Tony's case in a much shorter period
(18:57):
of time, rivals. Thompson's case, at least in my mount.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, the sad reality here is that his family called
to get help. They couldn't deal with him. He was
going to be he was a danger to himself and others,
and they called for help, and what they got in
return was again Tony acting out. But they were able
to police were able to get him under control enough
that nobody else was shot. You know, he allegedly shot
(19:22):
at them. I'm going to say allegedly, because you know,
it's not like he pulled the gun and he just
kept shooting and they over they overcame him. They were
able to get him in custody and take him to jail.
My question is why was he not evaluated at the
jail where they could determine this guy doesn't need to
be in jail. He needs to be in a mental
health facility as soon as we can get him past
(19:45):
whatever's going on now. But we need a doctor in
here right away. I mean, I don't know what you
use to get somebody to calm down in an agitated state,
but I know we have medication for these things, just
like we have antibiotics to treat the you know, different
cold things come up. But in this yeah, I mean
he was taken to jail for a mental health crisis show.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Right, and you know, and here's here's the real horror
show here, Dave, is that it's not like you got
a couple of guys in you know, in tan shirts
and brown pants with you know, with badges on their
chests that are corrections officers that are there all by
their lonesome. It got medical staff as well, and medical
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staff they in fact should be checking these guys on
a daily basis. And if if he's in there, if
he's in the jail, uh, that's the first stop that
you're going to make when you arrive. And if you've
got a subject that's in highly agitated state, you're right,
there's any number of meds that could be applied. First off,
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one of the things that that you want to do
is ascertain what kind of mental history does he have?
And also was he currently on medication? Was he being
seen by a therapist or a psychiatrist? Big difference here, okay?
And did he have meds that were available to him
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and how long has it been since he's taken them?
So you have to gather that information very very quickly.
And have that at your fingertips and then turn that
over the medical staff because the staff at the jail
is not equipped to be able to assess what, you know,
his status is physically and how he's reacting mentally and
all these sorts of things. Because you know somebody that's
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trained in medicine and mental health, you can say, Okay,
this is what this guy needs. All right, we need
to give him a bullet of drugs like push, I
don't know, push some adavan, which adavan is going to
kind of calm him down. That's just for starters, you know,
just to get him calmed down, manageable. It'll put him
in more of a controllable state. Heart rate's going to
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decree to a healthy level. I'm not saying that he
wouldn't still be hallucinating, because there's something deeper going on
here than that, but just to get him under control.
But Dave, that's that's not what they did with Tony.
That's not what they did. And please lay this out
to our audience, because I got to tell you, for
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the longest time, I have thought that Tony had literally
been placed and I think a lot of general public
that had been placed into a walk in freezer. But
that's not the case. That's not the case in Tony.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
There's a reason, there's a reason for the belief in that. Okay,
when Tony was brought to jail on January twelfth, twenty
twenty three, he arrives at the jail painted up and
everything else, as we mentioned, and they put him in
a jail cell. And this jail cell is bare bones.
There is no toilet, no sink, no bed. It's a
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brick wall and in the cement floor with a drain
in the bottom of the floor so it can be
hosed out. There is no running water in this cell.
You're only going to be in this cell for a
brief period of time while they're processing and determining where
you need to go, or you need to get control
of yourself, or any number of things. That's why there's
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a drain, because if you're in there as a drunken
you throw up, you know it, hose it out, any
kind of thing like that. But it's not made. It's
not a cell that you put somebody in to stay
in for any length of time. Joe, A couple hours
is the max in this cell. And by the way,
the nickname for cell BK five. That's the number, that's
the designation. It is cell BK five. It's nickname is
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the freezer because this cell is so cold, because it
does have a cement floor, it does have brick and
nothing else. There is no bed that's raised off the floor.
You sleep on the cement floor that you stand on
and sit on, and everything else on. And Tony was
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put in this room. Joseph Scott Morgan that even during
spring and fall when the weather's getting chilly, it's cold
in that room. And he's there in January, in the
coldest room they could find, and they put him in there,
and placing him in cell BK five. He wasn't in
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there just for booking purposes. He wasn't in there just
for a couple of hours. This is the cell where
a man who had had a mental health crisis was
brought in and put on display. He was stripped of
all of his clothing and put into this jail cell,
then nicknamed the freezer. Naked as a day, was born,
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without a sheet, without a cover, without a toilet, without
a sink, couldn't clean himself or anything, couldn't do it,
And he was left in that cell Joseph Scott Morgan,
not for a couple hours, but for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
The fact that he survived that long is amazing. And
my understanding, Dave, is that this cell has previously been
identified as a cell that you would put someone in
that is at risk of doing self harm. Okay, And
but we're talking again, going back to Dumal's book.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Count of Monte Cristo, you talk about bare bones. You know,
even the count had someplace to sleep. We're talking about
an environment that is so diminished and so absent of
any kind of comfort whatsoever. My thought is is that
(25:54):
I know, because we've talked about this before, are there
cases out there?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
You've heard of.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The the anti suicide suits are called turtle suits that
you can place people in where you know they can't.
They will keep them warm and they're kind of cushioned
and it but it prevents you from doing anything harmful
to yourself. And of course we've got the old the
old images from years and years ago, padded cells that
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are you know that they had in psych units. And
I've actually seen one of those before, not not as patient,
although there were many times I felt like I need
to be in one. But to say that this was
an unsafe environment for him is you know, first off,
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if he is in a mental health crisis and he's
in a manic state where he is actually seeing visions,
because at some point in time, and this goes to
the diagnosis I'm going to tell you about. In just
a second, he's gone from seeing portals to Hell to
now he's seeing demons, Dave, and he's screaming out. But
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you know, you know what the response was from the
correctional staff. The correctional staff, those that were in the
jail actually said, well, that's what happens when you shoot
a cop. Yep, not shoot a cop, but shoot at
a cop. Okay, So how much, okay, how many pounds
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of flesh are you looking to exact off of Tony?
What's what's going to satiate your your desire here to
do harm to this man? What is it that's going
to quell your appetite? It's going to quell your appetite
for revenge or whatever it is for him. You know
when you look at this creature that therefore the Grace
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Guy could go any of us. You know, you never
know how close any of us are to a break
at any point in time in your life. You say,
that couldn't be me. Yeah, it could be you. It
could be you. It's just like it could be you
that gets pulled over one night on a dark road
by a cop and you weren't doing anything wrong, but
you know you took a wrong turn, you said the
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wrong thing. Well, you know what if somebody does have
a problem with drugs, or they've got some kind of
crisis in their life where their life where they've lost
someone that they love, or their marriage is broken or
something like that, you never know what you're going to encounter.
That's what makes domestic events so dynamic and dangerous. But
once that threat is gone, it's up for the courts
to decide, you know, what kind of punishment should be
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exacted on this man. And now that opportunity's gone, it's
absolutely gone. And you know he was he was placed
in a position, Dave, and I love the fact that you,
you know, you drew the drew the comparison to an animal,
you know, Kim and I, we we adopt out of
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kill shelters, right, I've been into I've been into shelters, Dave,
where animals are treated fairly. Well, you know, they're given
a warm place to stay, they're not in the elements,
they're fed regularly, and this is not even an environment
They're a prisoner of war camps where people are treated
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better than this. And then I'm thinking one of the
things that I'm thinking about is that since it is
referred to as a freezer, and by virtue of naming it,
that the staff is aware of what the environmental conditions
are like. This is not something that just randomly fell
from the heavens and landed at their feet. Oh yeah, well,
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you know, let's call it the freezer. That sounds like
an excellent No, they knew, they knew that the thing
actually does feel like a refrigerated area. They knew that
the individuals that would be in there would be miserable.
And here's the other thing, Dave. This man was not
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just unclothed, he was wet. He was wet. What did
you say, just a minute ago, there was a drain
in the center of the floor. You don't have a toilet.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
No, there's no toilet, there's no running water. And in
that cell, as I mentioned it was, it was the
drunk tank. Okay, you guys, come in late on Friday,
Saturday night. You got to put him someplace you don't
want to put him in general, you know, with the
Walker County jail's small. You've got to separate the guy
and you gonna puke, he's gonna bee, he's gonna do whatever.
So he put him in that cell. You don't worry
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about him, and you get him out a couple hours later,
hosed down putting somebody else. Well, that's where they put him, Joe,
and they didn't move him, but he was naked. They
stripped him naked, that's first of all. And he is
wet from urine fece, he's all over him. It's just
he's not in his right mind as it is when
he comes in there. Think about how much worse it God,
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As you mentioned, he was talking about portals, hell and
demons and everything else. And now he's thrown into a
cement box with no way out, no water, know nothing,
and is tortured in those conditions. That's all I can think.
What kind of conditions are worse than what he was
placed in? Think about it. Even the man had no
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clothing to even get a little bit warm. It was January.
They knew it was colder in there than anyplace else.
And by the way, the floor where his bare feet
were is colder than the walls, and that's where he
had to sleep. So the frustrating thing for me about this,
Joseph Scott Morgan, is we live in the greatest nation
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on the face of this earth, and we have human
beings that we sit across from in church that would
do this to another human being, and they're paid to
do this. They're paid to take care of them. Again, Joe,
I get it. Somebody comes in there that's a child rapist,
a murderer, just you know, I get having harsh feelings
(31:55):
towards them, but you don't act on it because that's
not your job. But here's a guy coming in in
a mental health crisis. His family called for help, and
this is the help you decided to give him. This
is help. Where where is this hell?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You know? And it's not like they couldn't get access
to a blanket. I bet, I bet you could have.
You could have thrown a rock. You could have thrown
a rock to any number of locations adjacent to the
Walker County Jail. It just walked up to somebody's house
and say, hey, you got We got an Inmato here
that's nude, he's wet. You have a blanket, we can have,
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you know, And I know that the place that's got blankets.
I know that they serve food. I know that they
have bathing facilities, I know that they have toilets. But
this is something I also know. I know that they
had a space that they kept this man in that
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even in light of the work that Alexander DuMond did
on the account of Monte Cristo, it would probably make
even him blush. We talk a lot about, you know,
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in forensics, particularly my field and medical legal death investigation,
we talk about manner of death, we talk about cause
of death, we talk about mechanism of death. But you know,
there is a very specific cause of death in Tony's
case that is arguably one of the most horrific things
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that I think that any of us could be subjected to.
And it's not merciful in any way. Dave something that
that most people could not even begin to fathom. I
don't know that even a horror rider could come up
with it in their mind and feel good about it,
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necessarily because it is slow and languishing.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I was camping one time with my brother and boy
Scouts Joe, and a freak snowstorm hit in the middle
of the night in early spring. We were prepared because
we were boy Scouts, but we were not prepared for
the temperature to drop as dramatically as it did and
stay dramatically low. And I got sick. My body temperature
dropped and my brother and I wasn't the only one.
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My brother had to build a fire outside of our
tent right by the opening and open it and try
to get the hot just anything to get heat in there,
because we were snowed in and there was nothing else
you could do except try to get warm. And I
remember how sick I felt. I couldn't get you know,
I was freezing, and I could feel the warmth from
the heat out of the fire, but I couldn't get warm. No,
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And I can't imagine what he must Tony Mitchell was
going through at thirty three, thirty four years old in
a jail cell, not in his right mind, and nothing
he does he can't get warm. How what is happening
to his body as it reacts to the environment of
an all cement jail cell where the only fluid is
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your own body fluid, where you've got feces and everything
smeared all over your body and your body temperature is dropping.
How are you feeling physically and what's going on? Are
you going to have are you gonna have hallucinations just
from the cold?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Do you remember you? And thanks for telling a story
about your brother, you guys in the snowstorm, because I
bet you right now, I can, I can, I don't
know recreate a memory in your brain that sounds like
it is very traumatic at that moment in Tom, what's.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Worse is he got sick taking care of me, and
I then got helthy enough and had to turn around
and help him. But three days like that, back in
the seventies, before cell phones, before you had ways, and
so none of our families knew what we were. They
didn't know what had happened to us. We went out
on a boy scout overnight camp out and three days
later we finally showed back up. News crews were there.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So, yeah, you do you remember shivering?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh, buddy, I remember, I thought my teeth were going
to break.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think my brother told me to bite on a
piece of wood because yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
But you remember that. I'm sure that everybody in the
sound of my voice can can think back to a
moment in tom when you have been cold. But there's,
you know, even an extreme like you were in with
your brother, there was some relief that that you that
you got eventually, and it took a protracted period of time.
(36:58):
You guys had to build a fire. Tony didn't have
that advantage. There was There wasn't even furniture to break up,
let alone matches, all right, that he could have started
anything with just to warm himself for a moment. There
was no layering that was that could have occurred you
You couldn't have thrown them. And I submit to you, Dave,
that even if he had multiple layers, by the time
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it got to the terminal event with him, even if
he had had layers of blankets, I don't know that
he could have gotten his body temperature up enough. But
that shivering is a reaction that occurs within your brain.
There's a tiny little air in your brain that's referred
to as the hypothalmis, and the hypothalmis controls it actually
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controls body temp And there are a lot of these stories.
Some of them are anecdotal, But there are these stories
that are out there where people's bodies will hit these
super high temps and they survive them, you know, they floating.
Those stories arise every now in the news and they'll
attribute that to some problem with the hypothalmis. But the
hypothalmis itself actually controls your body temperature, all right, and
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it sends out signals. And one of the first indications
you get when you're talking about hype o thermion we're
not talking about hyper which is means overheating, is the
shivering that goes on. It's your body's way to kind
of generate heat. You know, you're kind of shaking there,
you know, and it's miserable. You're already miserable and you
can't control your shaking. The body is trying to help
(38:30):
you survive, right. It wants to eventually warm up, but
it's just doing its part at that point in time, Dave,
When we look at this timeline that Tony was subjected to,
how long had he been shivering? I mean, just think
about that just for a moment. Just think about it.
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If you live in a location where is cold outside
and you are deprived of any kind of cover for instance,
but yet you can go back inside. Just imagine what
it would be like to be frozen, not literally, but
to be in that moment where you can't there's no
door you can knock on, there's no window you can
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crawl out of. You can't even seep underneath the door
the bottom of the door to get out to get help.
There's nowhere to get relief. So you walk around nude
and you're constantly shaking. You're constantly shaking, and oh, by
the way, there's something going on in your brain where
you're being tormented by demons, right, because you perceive that
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there are demons about and you're shouting about it to
the rest of the staff. Oh, and the only thing
that they say to you, this is what happens when
you shoot a cop. So you know, with Tony, his
cause of death is something we don't get a lot
in the South. It's hypothermia is what led to his death.
(39:56):
So just so you know, you had mentioned rightly, so
Dave that with with hypothermia, you know what, what can
you have that kind of occurs relative that the first
thing's going to present will be the shivering. You'll react,
your breathing is going to slow, slow, quite a bit.
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Here's another thing, and this is this kind of piles
on relative to whatever his mental distress as he's having,
you're going to have memory issues as well. So you'll
come across people that are really cold and they're disoriented.
I think I don't know this for a fact. I'm
not a neurologist, but I think that probably a lot
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of the brain power that you might have otherwise relative
to in a normal set of circumstances is kind of
being shunted towards just surviving, right, So you don't you don't.
You can be disoriented, So you can come across somebody
that I've heard your physicians talk about this, that they'll
have people that'll come in off the street, particularly homeless
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people that might not necessarily be inebriated, but be appearing
as if they're inebriated in the wintertime because they're so disoriented.
They're not oriented to time and space and all these
sorts of things. That's kind of a at the low end.
And then as you you know, kind of progress through this,
you have no energy hardly at all, because your body
(41:19):
is working so hard just to stay alive. There's lethargy
and which is very dangerous because if you don't stay moving,
you're not going to create that core body temperature that's
you know, that's going to heat you up and keep
you keep you going. Your pulse weakens, your you're breathing
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actually becomes very faint. You lose all of the color
in your skin. Now, if you're outdoors with hypothermia, one
of the things that you'll see is your skin. And
this goes to uh goes to your skin literally, you know, burning,
almost like a freezer burn. Your skin will turn red.
I've come across people that again back to the homeless
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that die as a result of hypothermia on the streets,
and you'll see this kind of reddish or pink hue
to their skin. Again, the confusion continues to, you know,
kind of increase until finally, at some point in time,
you're going to stop shivering. And that's a sign, that's
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a sign that your body is going into your going
into multi organ failure. At this moment in tom your
lungs are going to become heavily congested and eventually you're
going to sleep slip into a coma. And I was
just looking at an image of Tony and he is
(42:49):
literally being not cradled. But he's in between two deputy
sheriffs and Dave, they're adjacent to a desk in this image.
And guess what, but they're fully clothed, they have their
uniforms on. Their hair is all neat, you know, mustaches
are trimmed or bears are trimmed. You can see it.
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They look sharp, they look squared away. But old Tony,
he's laying there on the floor, Dave, He's laying there
on the floor, nicked as a jaybird, filthy, his hair
is unkempt. I've seen images of Tony in life, and
I got to tell you, when you see him, he
looks like squared away young men. You know he's got
He doesn't look like I don't know what's the old
(43:33):
term my grandmother, the wild man of body, if you've
ever heard that term. He didn't look that way in life.
So now you've got a guy that is so disheveled looking.
He looks like a wild animal. And I got to
tell you, I submit to you that because he was
treated like a wild animal. That's probably the reason he
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looked that way. He's unbathed, he's unclothed, he looks thin
as a rail. It looks malnerveished, which again, if you're
not receiving proper nutrition in a really cold environment, your
body you can't you don't have the fuel, you know,
to continue on. And it is you know, I look
(44:14):
at this and I think, my lord, it would have
been more merciful if his life had ended suddenly, you know,
like on that night. This this goes over into the
area now where this is a protracted torture as far
as I'm concerned, and particularly when you've got multiple eyes
on this thing that's happened before their eyes.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, can he be Could Tony be conscious of the
fact that the morning of January twenty sixth, that's the
day a nurse repeatedly says, you have got to take
him to the hospital. This guy is in bad shape.
If you don't take him to the hospital right now,
he could die. And they still wa for more than
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three hours after the nurse begged them. Now, all during
the time he's been in there, which is over a week,
they were coming by to look at him. They were spectating,
to laugh at him because he was howling at the moon,
he was doing whatever. And on top of that, think
about it. He's shivering, he's shaking his body, his core
body temperature is dropping, he's fighting for every breath. And
(45:24):
now this nurse says, please for the love. Yeah, I'm thinking,
what kind of human beings can put another human being
through this? And still when a nurse is begging, you
make him wait three hours And by the time they
finally did, they threw him and they didn't call an ambulance. Joe.
They threw him in the back of a patrol car
(45:44):
and by the time he arrived at the hospital, his
internal body temperature was said to be seventy two degrees
What does that mean to you, Joseph Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
When you get to that level, Davy, anytime you drop
below about I think the number I'm trying to reflect
right now, I think the number is like eighty six
to eighty five. You slip below that and you're already
in the lethal range. At that point, your body cannot
function any longer. That's why this is such a torturous death,
(46:20):
I don't I think the thing that really amazes me
about this is how was he able to survive as
long as he did. Was he that resilient? I mean,
did he have that ability. I was talking to my
kids the other day about in school. I was talking
to him about starvation. And you know, with people that
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are really heavy, they have like a big insulating layer
of fat over their body. Yet you can have hypothermia
and they will get you know, essentially wind burned and
those sorts of things. But it's much different different to
get it's much more difficult to get their core body
temperature down if you're insulated. Like this. When you see
(47:04):
Tony and this image that I'm talking about where he's
laying on the floor in this office, Dave, he's rail thin.
He doesn't have like you know we talk about we
talk about what's called SubQ fat. Okay, you've got SubQ fat,
which is that layer of fat that's just beneath the
dermis and the fascia in that layer of skin. Like
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if you get a nurses will talk about or the
doctor will say, give him a SubQ injection, which means
when they say SubQ that means you're going to inject
into the subc fat the needl is long enough to
get in there. And then for people that really overweight,
there's another layer of fat that exists beneath that SubQ fat, Dave,
(47:44):
when you see this guy, he's rail thin, he has
no insulation whatsoever. I don't see how he survived as
long as he did. I think my question would be,
was he what was his love of cognition? Like, you know,
because that's the that's the horror of all of this.
(48:06):
You know, you're sitting here and you're thinking, well, did
he have an awareness that he was dying? You you
know that he's having hallucinations? And how do you separate
the hallucinations that he was having that night from the
hallucinations that veriwell, might come about as a result of hypothermia.
(48:32):
How do you separate this too. I don't know that
there's I don't know that there's a psychiatrist that's brilliant
enough to kind of, you know, suss all of that out.
I can't imagine that there would be. You look at
him and you think, well, how, how in the world
could could they have done this to this man? I
(48:54):
think though, now, Dave, I don't know, there's no satisfaction
in this. But they've got people that have actually pled
guilty in this case, have they not, David?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
There have been a total of twenty five indictments and
they're breaking down. Yeah, because it wasn't just one person
at the jail. It wasn't just one guard, or it
was not just the jailers. It was the medical staff
that was contracted to be there for the inmates. You
got to you have a company that provides medical help. Yeah,
(49:25):
Contram paid to provide and they The only person we
know did anything was the one nurse begging at the end.
One other nurse did mention, hey, he's not doing well,
but the rest of them just mocked. And so they're
paying for it now to a degree. I don't know
what will happen. It hasn't all been done because, as
you know, when you have a big group of people
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like this, where twenty five get indicted, twenty four specifically
for what happened with Tony Mitchell. The other one was
not involved in the Tony Mitchell case, but was indicted
because well, he forged some paperwork that they found where
they had abused other mates. It was an ongoing system
of abuse that existed in this jail with these so
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called people. And I mean, I just for the life
of being Joseph Scott Morgan, my heart hurts for the
family of Tony Mitchell for them to know that they
called for help. They called and said, we can't do anything.
We were afraid he's going to hurt himself or someone else.
Please help us, And in return, yeah, this is what.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
They Yeah, and I understand. I understand that at this
point there has been you know, the family has sued
as as right they should, and there's been some undisclosed
settlement that has occurred. But there's still more to come
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in this case. And listen, my friends, I never really
ask you for much, all right. As a matter of fact,
there's nothing I just want to give to you, guys.
But in this particular case, I hope that I hope
that if you're able to show mercy to one person
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in your life, I'm begging you, please take that opportunity,
Take that opportunity to show mercy to people that are
in difficult times, that are in dire straits. It's a
tough world out there. We talk about it all the time.
(51:35):
But this case, more than maybe any in recent memory,
has really pricked my heart. I'd have to say, because
I see a guy that is at the mercy of
the system. He had no recourse whatsoever. There will be
as there has been I guess now since twenty twenty
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three in an empty chair family's Thanksgiving table that's right
around the corner. Remember Tony. Please keep him in mind,
keep his family in your prayers, and tell his story
to other people, because Tony's death, I think needs to
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mean something. There are other cases that are out there.
I know that there are where people are being treated poorly,
badly and humanely. We've got animal shelters out there that
treat animals better than Tony was treated. I'm begging you
do a little self examination. I know I have, and
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think about this extensive mercy and hopefully mercy at some
point in tom will be extended to you. I'm Josephcott
Morgan and this is Bodybags
Body dots. But Joseph's gotten more. I wish I read more.
I read. I read quite a bit relative to things
that I teach, And at this point my life has
become rather wrote, because you know, the text generally say
(00:23):
the same things over and over again. I've got a
lot of it kind of buried in my brain. It's
amazing how it pops out every now and then I
can get recall all of a sudden, saying where did
that thought come from? I used to like to read
for pleasure, and I think, like a lot of people,
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one of my favorite books, particularly as a little boy,
was The Count of Money Christo. I loved that book
of Alexander Dumont, and of course it was about a
guy that was wrongully accused, wrongfully accused, and just sent
into a torturous hell. He was able to push through
(01:11):
and eventually escape and of course exact his revenge on
those that had unjustly jailed him. I'm going to talk today, though,
about a case, and that comes from a location not
too far away from where I am right now here
in Alabama, a case that I believe, in my opinion,
(01:33):
has not gotten the national attention that it deserves. I
hope that that's going to change, because the tale I'm
about to tell you is so horrific that you're going
to lose. I can almost guarantee it. Another bit of
faith in mankind coming to you from the beautiful campus
(01:59):
of Jacksonville State and University. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and
this is Bodybags. I used to like to read when
I was a kid, Dave. I would escape through reading.
I was just telling you I didn't watch television. I
really wasn't allowed to watch a lot during the week.
And I had a couple of things kept me entertained.
(02:23):
I had two sets of encyclopedias. I had actually three.
I had two sets of World Book. One was really
old and then I had a newer version, and then
I had a set of Funk and Wagnles dictionaries. I
remember they were white and the pictures are really tiny
(02:44):
in it. And I never had great eyes, but I
loved reading. My grandmother actually accrued each one of those
copies from Safeway grocery store, and I just read through them.
But I was one of these kids that would go
to the library and pull out a book, you know,
and take it home because I could escape you know,
I think like a lot of kids did back then.
I don't know the kids necessarily do that anymore. I
(03:07):
hope they do. You know, here on campus at Jacksonville State,
we've actually got one of the I think that we
actually have the largest and I'm talking about the physical plant,
the largest library on a university campus in the state
of Alabama. And the thing is gigantic, and it's got
three hundred and sixty three views of the mountains that
(03:28):
surround the campus. Very beautiful. You need to come over
some time and I'll take you up to the top
floor and give you a bird's eye view. It's a
gorgeous wind always blows really hard up there, one of
my favorite places. Though.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, where are you going with this,
because you're talking about a library in Alexander dumah, and
I'm thinking I remember in Shawshank Redemption when one of
the nmates was looking at it and go Alexander dumbass.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And exactly, Hey, yeah, he looks like he says, you're
going to like that. That's about a prison break. Yeah,
I love that line.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But in this particular show today, we're going to talk
to about a guy named Tony Mitchell who actually was
deprived of the basic necessities of life while he was
in jail. And that, Joseph, that drives me beyond the
pale of anything else we will talk about, because just
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because somebody is in jail doesn't mean they are an animal.
And in his particular case, he was treated worse than
a rabbit. They were if they had if he had
had yellow hair, they would have shot him and said
it was old yeller. They would have said he was that.
You know, It's it's that bad of a story, and
it only gets worse the more I read about it,
the more I see about it, the more I think
(04:50):
about it, and it's like I just cannot, for the
life of me understand Joseph Scott Morgan. How in this
day and age where we spend time much of time,
especially on college campuses, talking about how we have to
respect everybody, even if they identify as a poodle dog clown,
you know that you have to treat them with dignity
(05:11):
and everything else. But we get a guy over here
who's having a mental health crisis, and instead of treating
the mental health crisis, we treat him at a level
that if we treated a dog like Tony Mitchell was treated.
We would go to jail.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, and you know, going back this kind of a
hand handed segue. You know, Tony's never going to have
an opportunity to walk into a library and sit back
and escape into a book. He's never going to know
that joy. He should have known. He should have known
the safety of a mental health facility, which, you know,
(05:49):
to our great shame in this nation, we've bought into
this idea that people that are placed into mental health
facilities may be committed as they used to be, that
it's some kind of torturous event that all mental patients
are treated this way. Now they're gone. You know, you
don't have those state run institutions like you used to.
(06:13):
I've got a This requires me to go back in
time a bit. I believe we may have spoken about
this again, you know, some time back, but just give
me a little rope. Period. When I first started out
and as a death investigator in Louisiana working for the Corner,
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the corner actually had deputy corners. All the corners in
Louisiana or physicians, by the way, they have deputy corners there,
and they actually have on staff deputy corners that are psychiatrists,
and the corner in Louisiana is actually responsible for the
committal of mental patients. And so as an investigator, you've
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got and you'd write what was referred to as an OPCs,
an order of protective custody, and family could come in
and generally the line is, and this plays into the story,
is that this individual is a danger to themselves and others.
And you could get a temporary OPC, which I think
was like a twenty four hour hold. They could do
(07:21):
a longer one for seventy two hours, and then the
corner with consultation could do a protracted, a much longer one.
Of course that would require judicial approval. But here's the thing.
When you have that ability to make that happen, and
you've got people that are trained to do this kind
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of assessment, you don't have happened what happened to Tony
where he is essentially caged up like an animal and Dave.
These conditions that I got to tell you shock me
to my core. I've seen a lot of really grotesque
things over the years, and the way the way people
(08:03):
you know, in domestic situations treat partners, you know, For instance,
I've had a lady famously that was starved to death
by her own daughter, locked into a basement room and
had cancer that was never treated and one of the
most horrible things I've ever seen. But you know, that's
(08:24):
like a citizen that does that to another person. We're
talking about, dave an elected official, a sheriff's office who
runs the jails, and most of the time at a
local level, the sheriff is the person that is in
charge of the jail. So they are and just go
(08:44):
with me here, they are, in fact the custodian of
this person's safety. Okay, it's almost it's not quite the
same thing, but comparatively speaking, when an arrest is a
affected on somebody for whatever the reason, that official is
(09:05):
saying to the rest of the public that they serve,
we're going to care and provide for this individual. Now,
there might be people that are snickering out there and saying, well,
you've never done time in a prison, or you've never
done time in a local jail. I didn't get treated
very well there. Maybe so, and I'm sure that that's
accurate in many cases. However, in law or by law,
(09:26):
there's an expectation a constitutional expectation that you're going to
look after the rights, the welfare, the well being of
anybody that's in your custody. This poor man, Dave was
he was in a mental health crisis. As a matter
of fact, if I'm not mistaken, please correct me if
I'm wrong. His family had requested an intervention on the
(09:52):
part of the police when this whole thing kind of
kicked off. You know, now all these months.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Ago, whenever they're something that happens with regard to police
being called for a welfare check, you know, you and
I have dealt with that on so many stories, and
oftentimes that well being check is because somebody is concerned
about a loved one, haven't heard from them, or maybe
(10:19):
they're not acting right. And in this particular case, Tony Mitchell,
he was not acting, not acting. He was in a
mental health crisis. He had painted himself black and had
really begun to say and do things that scared his family.
(10:42):
He was saying that he had a portal to Hell, yeah,
and a few other things that it was enough. I mean,
if you look, if you have a loved one that's
having a mental health crisis at this level, it's not
the first one they've had. You've seen other sides of
them before where it gets to this place and you
(11:03):
recognize that this is different. We need help, and what happened?
And police arrive on the scene and Tony Mitchell shot
at them. Now we don't know what actually transpired, other
(11:24):
than we know from the family and police why they
were called that he had painted himself and he was
acting out and saying some really scary things and family
was in fear for that he would hurt himself or others.
And when police got there, they say he shot at them.
I'm willing to go with that because of the you know,
nobody's contesting that fact, right, But Tony Mitchell in his
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right mind wouldn't have shot at cops. So I think
that we started that point because what instead, That's what
a regular saying adult would think about. What would this
I'd be like, you know, is he mean, is this
a mean guy who's just play acting so he can
start shooting and killing people, or is this a guy
really having a mental health crisis and needs help? Because
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the way they treated him was not as if he
was having a mental health crisis. They were treating him
like monkey boy. In time to have fun.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah. And here's here's one other bit to this, Dave.
This is over in Walker, Walker County, Alabama, which is
kind of to the northwest of of of Birmingham. If
you if people are familiar with Birmingham, which one of
the larger cities in Alabama. It's a rural county, beautiful
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place by the way. And here's the thing about it.
If you're if you're working as a patrol officer, patrol deputy, sheriff, Okay,
and this guy has got a mental health history, there
is a probability, high probability that you may have run
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calls out of this house before. And this is repeated
over and over again. And it doesn't have to be
a small jurisdiction. You can go to a large jurisdiction
and the beat officers in that area say, oh, yeah,
I've been to that address a bunch. You know, we've
got somebody that lives there that's involved in drugs, that
has a hard time staying sober. And they're not only
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have a hard time staying sober, they're a mean drunk.
They've knocked around people in the family before. And then
you've got the people that literally get off of their meds, Dave.
And it's a tough job if you're a police officer
to have to go out there and kind of do
a quick assessment and understand that you know, maybe you
know you've been out there before. You've got a family.
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It's already calling this some mental health crisis. They want
somebody to intervene, and yeah, he should not have fired
a weapon at the police. But once that situation, here's
the rub with all of this, Once that situation is interdicted, Okay,
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once you have removed him from the weapon, the weapon
from him, you've got him under control, then it's at
that point in time you make a decision how he's
going to be handled. I don't know about you though, Dave,
but if I go out onto a scene or go
to a home and I've got some guy that has
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taken paint and painted their face and they're saying that
right this way is a portal to hell, and they're
acting like they're seeing it. Okay, I'm going to know
that this person is not a gang leader, Okay, that
they're not out there, that they haven't just robbed a bank,
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they haven't done anything that would indicate that they're in
their right mind all right, as nefarious is robbing a
bank would be, you still have control over what you're doing.
Once that danger is resolved, the problem arises. And this
is where this really takes a nasty turn, is that,
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for whatever reason, these police officers and the jail staff
decided to take matters into their on hand. And Tony
thought he was seeing a portal to hell when he
arrived at that county jail, he was introduced to a
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true doorway to eighties, brother David. I don't know if
you remember this case. This is a case from twenty
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twenty two, and this happened in Atlanta, in Fulton County, Georgia,
at the Fulton County Jail, otherwise known infamously as the
as the Rice Street Jail. I've had to go there
many times to work cases when I was with the
M's Office, and it is to say the very minimum here.
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It ain't a place that you want to go and
hang out. All right, it's bad. But this case involved
a gentleman named Leshawn Thompson. When they came across he
was dead in to sell and I don't know if
you remember this. He was eaten by bed bugs. Do
you remember that case.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I do, just because it is one of those things
that stands out in my mind of all the stories
I've heard you tell that one goes beyond anything I
can think of or what happens to an inmate. How
do you get to that point? How does that happen?
I still don't have an I don't have an understanding
of how that could happen.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't either. You know, when you get to the
point with you know, with you know, with mister Thompson's case,
that is neglect that you can't even begin to imagine.
And that Dave, you know, that's not some rural, rural
location we're talking about. This is the primary lock up
at a state level in a county. All right, Like,
if you're going to go and you're going to be
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sent to city jail in Atlanta or any of the
other municipal municipalities there in Fulton County, many times they're
sent to the Ryce Street Jail to be held. So
you're thinking that the corrections officers that are there are
going to be top flight. You know, they're going to
be well trained, They're going to know what to do.
They have to manage a huge population. I'm not saying
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that that's an excuse relative to uh, to them neglecting
that fellow. But how much more so when you're talking
about Walker County in Alabama. The population, it ain't Fulton County, Georgia,
I'll put it to It's not Jefferson County, Alabama, the
home of Birmingham. It's just it's not a huge place.
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So for what happened with Tony, I begin to think
about this, the staff is aware that he is there.
You know, it's not like there's you know, oh, we
forgot about him because you know that was actually one
of the things with mister Thompson's case that was so
striking is that they said, yeah, you know, you kind
of got lost in the shuffle. Wow, And I got
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to tell you out of it. Yeah. I gotta urge
anybody that hasn't seen the images from Lashawn Thompson's case,
I beg you to go check them out. And it
is one of the most disgusting things. It's one of
the most disgusting things you're ever going to see that
a fellow human beings objected to that, and David got
to tell you Tony's case in a much shorter period
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of time, rivals. Thompson's case, at least in my mount.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, the sad reality here is that his family called
to get help. They couldn't deal with him. He was
going to be he was a danger to himself and others,
and they called for help, and what they got in
return was again Tony acting out. But they were able
to police were able to get him under control enough
that nobody else was shot. You know, he allegedly shot
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at them. I'm going to say allegedly, because you know,
it's not like he pulled the gun and he just
kept shooting and they over they overcame him. They were
able to get him in custody and take him to jail.
My question is why was he not evaluated at the
jail where they could determine this guy doesn't need to
be in jail. He needs to be in a mental
health facility as soon as we can get him past
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whatever's going on now. But we need a doctor in
here right away. I mean, I don't know what you
use to get somebody to calm down in an agitated state,
but I know we have medication for these things, just
like we have antibiotics to treat the you know, different
cold things come up. But in this yeah, I mean
he was taken to jail for a mental health crisis show.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Right, and you know, and here's here's the real horror
show here, Dave, is that it's not like you got
a couple of guys in you know, in tan shirts
and brown pants with you know, with badges on their
chests that are corrections officers that are there all by
their lonesome. It got medical staff as well, and medical
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staff they in fact should be checking these guys on
a daily basis. And if if he's in there, if
he's in the jail, uh, that's the first stop that
you're going to make when you arrive. And if you've
got a subject that's in highly agitated state, you're right,
there's any number of meds that could be applied. First off,
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one of the things that that you want to do
is ascertain what kind of mental history does he have?
And also was he currently on medication? Was he being
seen by a therapist or a psychiatrist? Big difference here, okay?
And did he have meds that were available to him
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and how long has it been since he's taken them?
So you have to gather that information very very quickly.
And have that at your fingertips and then turn that
over the medical staff because the staff at the jail
is not equipped to be able to assess what, you know,
his status is physically and how he's reacting mentally and
all these sorts of things. Because you know somebody that's
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trained in medicine and mental health, you can say, Okay,
this is what this guy needs. All right, we need
to give him a bullet of drugs like push, I
don't know, push some adavan, which adavan is going to
kind of calm him down. That's just for starters, you know,
just to get him calmed down, manageable. It'll put him
in more of a controllable state. Heart rate's going to
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decree to a healthy level. I'm not saying that he
wouldn't still be hallucinating, because there's something deeper going on
here than that, but just to get him under control.
But Dave, that's that's not what they did with Tony.
That's not what they did. And please lay this out
to our audience, because I got to tell you, for
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the longest time, I have thought that Tony had literally
been placed and I think a lot of general public
that had been placed into a walk in freezer. But
that's not the case. That's not the case in Tony.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
There's a reason, there's a reason for the belief in that. Okay,
when Tony was brought to jail on January twelfth, twenty
twenty three, he arrives at the jail painted up and
everything else, as we mentioned, and they put him in
a jail cell. And this jail cell is bare bones.
There is no toilet, no sink, no bed. It's a
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brick wall and in the cement floor with a drain
in the bottom of the floor so it can be
hosed out. There is no running water in this cell.
You're only going to be in this cell for a
brief period of time while they're processing and determining where
you need to go, or you need to get control
of yourself, or any number of things. That's why there's
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a drain, because if you're in there as a drunken
you throw up, you know it, hose it out, any
kind of thing like that. But it's not made. It's
not a cell that you put somebody in to stay
in for any length of time. Joe, A couple hours
is the max in this cell. And by the way,
the nickname for cell BK five. That's the number, that's
the designation. It is cell BK five. It's nickname is
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the freezer because this cell is so cold, because it
does have a cement floor, it does have brick and
nothing else. There is no bed that's raised off the floor.
You sleep on the cement floor that you stand on
and sit on, and everything else on. And Tony was
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put in this room. Joseph Scott Morgan that even during
spring and fall when the weather's getting chilly, it's cold
in that room. And he's there in January, in the
coldest room they could find, and they put him in there,
and placing him in cell BK five. He wasn't in
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there just for booking purposes. He wasn't in there just
for a couple of hours. This is the cell where
a man who had had a mental health crisis was
brought in and put on display. He was stripped of
all of his clothing and put into this jail cell,
then nicknamed the freezer. Naked as a day, was born,
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without a sheet, without a cover, without a toilet, without
a sink, couldn't clean himself or anything, couldn't do it,
And he was left in that cell Joseph Scott Morgan,
not for a couple hours, but for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
The fact that he survived that long is amazing. And
my understanding, Dave, is that this cell has previously been
identified as a cell that you would put someone in
that is at risk of doing self harm. Okay, And
but we're talking again, going back to Dumal's book.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Count of Monte Cristo, you talk about bare bones. You know,
even the count had someplace to sleep. We're talking about
an environment that is so diminished and so absent of
any kind of comfort whatsoever. My thought is is that
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I know, because we've talked about this before, are there
cases out there?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
You've heard of.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The the anti suicide suits are called turtle suits that
you can place people in where you know they can't.
They will keep them warm and they're kind of cushioned
and it but it prevents you from doing anything harmful
to yourself. And of course we've got the old the
old images from years and years ago, padded cells that
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are you know that they had in psych units. And
I've actually seen one of those before, not not as patient,
although there were many times I felt like I need
to be in one. But to say that this was
an unsafe environment for him is you know, first off,
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if he is in a mental health crisis and he's
in a manic state where he is actually seeing visions,
because at some point in time, and this goes to
the diagnosis I'm going to tell you about. In just
a second, he's gone from seeing portals to Hell to
now he's seeing demons, Dave, and he's screaming out. But
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you know, you know what the response was from the
correctional staff. The correctional staff, those that were in the
jail actually said, well, that's what happens when you shoot
a cop. Yep, not shoot a cop, but shoot at
a cop. Okay, So how much, okay, how many pounds
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of flesh are you looking to exact off of Tony?
What's what's going to satiate your your desire here to
do harm to this man? What is it that's going
to quell your appetite? It's going to quell your appetite
for revenge or whatever it is for him. You know
when you look at this creature that therefore the Grace
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Guy could go any of us. You know, you never
know how close any of us are to a break
at any point in time in your life. You say,
that couldn't be me. Yeah, it could be you. It
could be you. It's just like it could be you
that gets pulled over one night on a dark road
by a cop and you weren't doing anything wrong, but
you know you took a wrong turn, you said the
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wrong thing. Well, you know what if somebody does have
a problem with drugs, or they've got some kind of
crisis in their life where their life where they've lost
someone that they love, or their marriage is broken or
something like that, you never know what you're going to encounter.
That's what makes domestic events so dynamic and dangerous. But
once that threat is gone, it's up for the courts
to decide, you know, what kind of punishment should be
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exacted on this man. And now that opportunity's gone, it's
absolutely gone. And you know he was he was placed
in a position, Dave, and I love the fact that you,
you know, you drew the drew the comparison to an animal,
you know, Kim and I, we we adopt out of
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kill shelters, right, I've been into I've been into shelters, Dave,
where animals are treated fairly. Well, you know, they're given
a warm place to stay, they're not in the elements,
they're fed regularly, and this is not even an environment
They're a prisoner of war camps where people are treated
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better than this. And then I'm thinking one of the
things that I'm thinking about is that since it is
referred to as a freezer, and by virtue of naming it,
that the staff is aware of what the environmental conditions
are like. This is not something that just randomly fell
from the heavens and landed at their feet. Oh yeah, well,
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you know, let's call it the freezer. That sounds like
an excellent No, they knew, they knew that the thing
actually does feel like a refrigerated area. They knew that
the individuals that would be in there would be miserable.
And here's the other thing, Dave. This man was not
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just unclothed, he was wet. He was wet. What did
you say, just a minute ago, there was a drain
in the center of the floor. You don't have a toilet.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
No, there's no toilet, there's no running water. And in
that cell, as I mentioned it was, it was the
drunk tank. Okay, you guys, come in late on Friday,
Saturday night. You got to put him someplace you don't
want to put him in general, you know, with the
Walker County jail's small. You've got to separate the guy
and you gonna puke, he's gonna bee, he's gonna do whatever.
So he put him in that cell. You don't worry
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about him, and you get him out a couple hours later,
hosed down putting somebody else. Well, that's where they put him, Joe,
and they didn't move him, but he was naked. They
stripped him naked, that's first of all. And he is
wet from urine fece, he's all over him. It's just
he's not in his right mind as it is when
he comes in there. Think about how much worse it God,
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As you mentioned, he was talking about portals, hell and
demons and everything else. And now he's thrown into a
cement box with no way out, no water, know nothing,
and is tortured in those conditions. That's all I can think.
What kind of conditions are worse than what he was
placed in? Think about it. Even the man had no
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clothing to even get a little bit warm. It was January.
They knew it was colder in there than anyplace else.
And by the way, the floor where his bare feet
were is colder than the walls, and that's where he
had to sleep. So the frustrating thing for me about this,
Joseph Scott Morgan, is we live in the greatest nation
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on the face of this earth, and we have human
beings that we sit across from in church that would
do this to another human being, and they're paid to
do this. They're paid to take care of them. Again, Joe,
I get it. Somebody comes in there that's a child rapist,
a murderer, just you know, I get having harsh feelings
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towards them, but you don't act on it because that's
not your job. But here's a guy coming in in
a mental health crisis. His family called for help, and
this is the help you decided to give him. This
is help. Where where is this hell?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You know? And it's not like they couldn't get access
to a blanket. I bet, I bet you could have.
You could have thrown a rock. You could have thrown
a rock to any number of locations adjacent to the
Walker County Jail. It just walked up to somebody's house
and say, hey, you got We got an Inmato here
that's nude, he's wet. You have a blanket, we can have,
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you know, And I know that the place that's got blankets.
I know that they serve food. I know that they
have bathing facilities, I know that they have toilets. But
this is something I also know. I know that they
had a space that they kept this man in that
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even in light of the work that Alexander DuMond did
on the account of Monte Cristo, it would probably make
even him blush. We talk a lot about, you know,
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in forensics, particularly my field and medical legal death investigation,
we talk about manner of death, we talk about cause
of death, we talk about mechanism of death. But you know,
there is a very specific cause of death in Tony's
case that is arguably one of the most horrific things
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that I think that any of us could be subjected to.
And it's not merciful in any way. Dave something that
that most people could not even begin to fathom. I
don't know that even a horror rider could come up
with it in their mind and feel good about it,
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necessarily because it is slow and languishing.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I was camping one time with my brother and boy
Scouts Joe, and a freak snowstorm hit in the middle
of the night in early spring. We were prepared because
we were boy Scouts, but we were not prepared for
the temperature to drop as dramatically as it did and
stay dramatically low. And I got sick. My body temperature
dropped and my brother and I wasn't the only one.
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My brother had to build a fire outside of our
tent right by the opening and open it and try
to get the hot just anything to get heat in there,
because we were snowed in and there was nothing else
you could do except try to get warm. And I
remember how sick I felt. I couldn't get you know,
I was freezing, and I could feel the warmth from
the heat out of the fire, but I couldn't get warm. No,
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And I can't imagine what he must Tony Mitchell was
going through at thirty three, thirty four years old in
a jail cell, not in his right mind, and nothing
he does he can't get warm. How what is happening
to his body as it reacts to the environment of
an all cement jail cell where the only fluid is
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your own body fluid, where you've got feces and everything
smeared all over your body and your body temperature is dropping.
How are you feeling physically and what's going on? Are
you going to have are you gonna have hallucinations just
from the cold?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Do you remember you? And thanks for telling a story
about your brother, you guys in the snowstorm, because I
bet you right now, I can, I can, I don't
know recreate a memory in your brain that sounds like
it is very traumatic at that moment in Tom, what's.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Worse is he got sick taking care of me, and
I then got helthy enough and had to turn around
and help him. But three days like that, back in
the seventies, before cell phones, before you had ways, and
so none of our families knew what we were. They
didn't know what had happened to us. We went out
on a boy scout overnight camp out and three days
later we finally showed back up. News crews were there.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So, yeah, you do you remember shivering?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh, buddy, I remember, I thought my teeth were going
to break.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think my brother told me to bite on a
piece of wood because yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
But you remember that. I'm sure that everybody in the
sound of my voice can can think back to a
moment in tom when you have been cold. But there's,
you know, even an extreme like you were in with
your brother, there was some relief that that you that
you got eventually, and it took a protracted period of time.
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You guys had to build a fire. Tony didn't have
that advantage. There was There wasn't even furniture to break up,
let alone matches, all right, that he could have started
anything with just to warm himself for a moment. There
was no layering that was that could have occurred you
You couldn't have thrown them. And I submit to you, Dave,
that even if he had multiple layers, by the time
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it got to the terminal event with him, even if
he had had layers of blankets, I don't know that
he could have gotten his body temperature up enough. But
that shivering is a reaction that occurs within your brain.
There's a tiny little air in your brain that's referred
to as the hypothalmis, and the hypothalmis controls it actually
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controls body temp And there are a lot of these stories.
Some of them are anecdotal, But there are these stories
that are out there where people's bodies will hit these
super high temps and they survive them, you know, they floating.
Those stories arise every now in the news and they'll
attribute that to some problem with the hypothalmis. But the
hypothalmis itself actually controls your body temperature, all right, and
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it sends out signals. And one of the first indications
you get when you're talking about hype o thermion we're
not talking about hyper which is means overheating, is the
shivering that goes on. It's your body's way to kind
of generate heat. You know, you're kind of shaking there,
you know, and it's miserable. You're already miserable and you
can't control your shaking. The body is trying to help
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you survive, right. It wants to eventually warm up, but
it's just doing its part at that point in time, Dave,
When we look at this timeline that Tony was subjected to,
how long had he been shivering? I mean, just think
about that just for a moment. Just think about it.
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If you live in a location where is cold outside
and you are deprived of any kind of cover for instance,
but yet you can go back inside. Just imagine what
it would be like to be frozen, not literally, but
to be in that moment where you can't there's no
door you can knock on, there's no window you can
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crawl out of. You can't even seep underneath the door
the bottom of the door to get out to get help.
There's nowhere to get relief. So you walk around nude
and you're constantly shaking. You're constantly shaking, and oh, by
the way, there's something going on in your brain where
you're being tormented by demons, right, because you perceive that
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there are demons about and you're shouting about it to
the rest of the staff. Oh, and the only thing
that they say to you, this is what happens when
you shoot a cop. So you know, with Tony, his
cause of death is something we don't get a lot
in the South. It's hypothermia is what led to his death.
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So just so you know, you had mentioned rightly, so
Dave that with with hypothermia, you know what, what can
you have that kind of occurs relative that the first
thing's going to present will be the shivering. You'll react,
your breathing is going to slow, slow, quite a bit.
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Here's another thing, and this is this kind of piles
on relative to whatever his mental distress as he's having,
you're going to have memory issues as well. So you'll
come across people that are really cold and they're disoriented.
I think I don't know this for a fact. I'm
not a neurologist, but I think that probably a lot
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of the brain power that you might have otherwise relative
to in a normal set of circumstances is kind of
being shunted towards just surviving, right, So you don't you don't.
You can be disoriented, So you can come across somebody
that I've heard your physicians talk about this, that they'll
have people that'll come in off the street, particularly homeless
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people that might not necessarily be inebriated, but be appearing
as if they're inebriated in the wintertime because they're so disoriented.
They're not oriented to time and space and all these
sorts of things. That's kind of a at the low end.
And then as you you know, kind of progress through this,
you have no energy hardly at all, because your body
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is working so hard just to stay alive. There's lethargy
and which is very dangerous because if you don't stay moving,
you're not going to create that core body temperature that's
you know, that's going to heat you up and keep
you keep you going. Your pulse weakens, your you're breathing
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actually becomes very faint. You lose all of the color
in your skin. Now, if you're outdoors with hypothermia, one
of the things that you'll see is your skin. And
this goes to uh goes to your skin literally, you know, burning,
almost like a freezer burn. Your skin will turn red.
I've come across people that again back to the homeless
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that die as a result of hypothermia on the streets,
and you'll see this kind of reddish or pink hue
to their skin. Again, the confusion continues to, you know,
kind of increase until finally, at some point in time,
you're going to stop shivering. And that's a sign, that's
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a sign that your body is going into your going
into multi organ failure. At this moment in tom your
lungs are going to become heavily congested and eventually you're
going to sleep slip into a coma. And I was
just looking at an image of Tony and he is
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literally being not cradled. But he's in between two deputy
sheriffs and Dave, they're adjacent to a desk in this image.
And guess what, but they're fully clothed, they have their
uniforms on. Their hair is all neat, you know, mustaches
are trimmed or bears are trimmed. You can see it.
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They look sharp, they look squared away. But old Tony,
he's laying there on the floor, Dave, He's laying there
on the floor, nicked as a jaybird, filthy, his hair
is unkempt. I've seen images of Tony in life, and
I got to tell you, when you see him, he
looks like squared away young men. You know he's got
He doesn't look like I don't know what's the old
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term my grandmother, the wild man of body, if you've
ever heard that term. He didn't look that way in life.
So now you've got a guy that is so disheveled looking.
He looks like a wild animal. And I got to
tell you, I submit to you that because he was
treated like a wild animal. That's probably the reason he
(43:53):
looked that way. He's unbathed, he's unclothed, he looks thin
as a rail. It looks malnerveished, which again, if you're
not receiving proper nutrition in a really cold environment, your
body you can't you don't have the fuel, you know,
to continue on. And it is you know, I look
(44:14):
at this and I think, my lord, it would have
been more merciful if his life had ended suddenly, you know,
like on that night. This this goes over into the
area now where this is a protracted torture as far
as I'm concerned, and particularly when you've got multiple eyes
on this thing that's happened before their eyes.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, can he be Could Tony be conscious of the
fact that the morning of January twenty sixth, that's the
day a nurse repeatedly says, you have got to take
him to the hospital. This guy is in bad shape.
If you don't take him to the hospital right now,
he could die. And they still wa for more than
(45:01):
three hours after the nurse begged them. Now, all during
the time he's been in there, which is over a week,
they were coming by to look at him. They were spectating,
to laugh at him because he was howling at the moon,
he was doing whatever. And on top of that, think
about it. He's shivering, he's shaking his body, his core
body temperature is dropping, he's fighting for every breath. And
(45:24):
now this nurse says, please for the love. Yeah, I'm thinking,
what kind of human beings can put another human being
through this? And still when a nurse is begging, you
make him wait three hours And by the time they
finally did, they threw him and they didn't call an ambulance. Joe.
They threw him in the back of a patrol car
(45:44):
and by the time he arrived at the hospital, his
internal body temperature was said to be seventy two degrees
What does that mean to you, Joseph Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
When you get to that level, Davy, anytime you drop
below about I think the number I'm trying to reflect
right now, I think the number is like eighty six
to eighty five. You slip below that and you're already
in the lethal range. At that point, your body cannot
function any longer. That's why this is such a torturous death,
(46:20):
I don't I think the thing that really amazes me
about this is how was he able to survive as
long as he did. Was he that resilient? I mean,
did he have that ability. I was talking to my
kids the other day about in school. I was talking
to him about starvation. And you know, with people that
(46:43):
are really heavy, they have like a big insulating layer
of fat over their body. Yet you can have hypothermia
and they will get you know, essentially wind burned and
those sorts of things. But it's much different different to
get it's much more difficult to get their core body
temperature down if you're insulated. Like this. When you see
(47:04):
Tony and this image that I'm talking about where he's
laying on the floor in this office, Dave, he's rail thin.
He doesn't have like you know we talk about we
talk about what's called SubQ fat. Okay, you've got SubQ fat,
which is that layer of fat that's just beneath the
dermis and the fascia in that layer of skin. Like
(47:24):
if you get a nurses will talk about or the
doctor will say, give him a SubQ injection, which means
when they say SubQ that means you're going to inject
into the subc fat the needl is long enough to
get in there. And then for people that really overweight,
there's another layer of fat that exists beneath that SubQ fat, Dave,
(47:44):
when you see this guy, he's rail thin, he has
no insulation whatsoever. I don't see how he survived as
long as he did. I think my question would be,
was he what was his love of cognition? Like, you know,
because that's the that's the horror of all of this.
(48:06):
You know, you're sitting here and you're thinking, well, did
he have an awareness that he was dying? You you
know that he's having hallucinations? And how do you separate
the hallucinations that he was having that night from the
hallucinations that veriwell, might come about as a result of hypothermia.
(48:32):
How do you separate this too. I don't know that
there's I don't know that there's a psychiatrist that's brilliant
enough to kind of, you know, suss all of that out.
I can't imagine that there would be. You look at
him and you think, well, how, how in the world
could could they have done this to this man? I
(48:54):
think though, now, Dave, I don't know, there's no satisfaction
in this. But they've got people that have actually pled
guilty in this case, have they not, David?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
There have been a total of twenty five indictments and
they're breaking down. Yeah, because it wasn't just one person
at the jail. It wasn't just one guard, or it
was not just the jailers. It was the medical staff
that was contracted to be there for the inmates. You
got to you have a company that provides medical help. Yeah,
(49:25):
Contram paid to provide and they The only person we
know did anything was the one nurse begging at the end.
One other nurse did mention, hey, he's not doing well,
but the rest of them just mocked. And so they're
paying for it now to a degree. I don't know
what will happen. It hasn't all been done because, as
you know, when you have a big group of people
(49:46):
like this, where twenty five get indicted, twenty four specifically
for what happened with Tony Mitchell. The other one was
not involved in the Tony Mitchell case, but was indicted
because well, he forged some paperwork that they found where
they had abused other mates. It was an ongoing system
of abuse that existed in this jail with these so
(50:06):
called people. And I mean, I just for the life
of being Joseph Scott Morgan, my heart hurts for the
family of Tony Mitchell for them to know that they
called for help. They called and said, we can't do anything.
We were afraid he's going to hurt himself or someone else.
Please help us, And in return, yeah, this is what.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
They Yeah, and I understand. I understand that at this
point there has been you know, the family has sued
as as right they should, and there's been some undisclosed
settlement that has occurred. But there's still more to come
(50:47):
in this case. And listen, my friends, I never really
ask you for much, all right. As a matter of fact,
there's nothing I just want to give to you, guys.
But in this particular case, I hope that I hope
that if you're able to show mercy to one person
(51:12):
in your life, I'm begging you, please take that opportunity,
Take that opportunity to show mercy to people that are
in difficult times, that are in dire straits. It's a
tough world out there. We talk about it all the time.
(51:35):
But this case, more than maybe any in recent memory,
has really pricked my heart. I'd have to say, because
I see a guy that is at the mercy of
the system. He had no recourse whatsoever. There will be
as there has been I guess now since twenty twenty
(51:57):
three in an empty chair family's Thanksgiving table that's right
around the corner. Remember Tony. Please keep him in mind,
keep his family in your prayers, and tell his story
to other people, because Tony's death, I think needs to
(52:17):
mean something. There are other cases that are out there.
I know that there are where people are being treated poorly,
badly and humanely. We've got animal shelters out there that
treat animals better than Tony was treated. I'm begging you
do a little self examination. I know I have, and
(52:40):
think about this extensive mercy and hopefully mercy at some
point in tom will be extended to you. I'm Josephcott
Morgan and this is Bodybags
Host
Joseph Scott Morgan
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