August 13, 2025 • 33 mins
How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days may arguably be one of the best romantic comedies to exist. Matthew McConaughey shirtless. Kate Hudson's perfect mix of crazy and cute. The sexual tension between the two! But how has the classic rom-com shaped our idea of love? Comedians Brandon Follick and Ai Vy Lu'u join Boysober's first-ever Rom-Com Roundtable to break it down.
To hear more of Brandon and Ai Vy, check out their new podcast Everybody Wants To Be My Friend.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
What are our thoughts on the yellow dress?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I love the yellow signature, and why was it immediately
breathtaking to me? Like I just thought, okay, it was
the low bag. It's the combination of the nipples in
the low bag.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I was not a huge fan of the yellow dress.
But more importantly the hair, I know, the low pony, yeah,
the like low bun. I'm like, wait, she going to
work a library. Jesus. Yeah, it's like, got out of here.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You simple girl. She's a writer, she's a jer my god.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, that's the thing is like low maintenance women. That's
such a like an early odds thing. It's like, oh,
fuck yourself, dude, claw clib.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
The people spoke and we listened to kick off Boiceover's
first ever rom Com Roundtable. We're talking all about How
to Lose a Guy in Ten Days. I'm hopewonderd and
welcome to Boys Over a space where we're learning and
unlearning all the myths we're taught about love and relationships.
(01:52):
Who doesn't love a rom com. They're hilarious, they're cute,
some may say they're a lost Most importantly, though, they
make us feel our feelings and reflect on our own lives.
They say a lot about the standards of the time
we're living in and can spark fierce debates. Can men
and women really just be friends? Is holding up a
(02:15):
boombox outside your window creepy or cute? Is it possible
to not fall in love with someone if they run
after you in the rain? All of this is why
we're bringing you a special episode, Boyce Sover's first ever
rom com Roundtable, where I bring on smart and funny
people to discuss the movies that shaped our idea of love.
(02:36):
First up, we're talking about the two thousand and three
classic How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days, starring
Kate Hudson and Matthew McConaughey. If you've never seen it,
here's what you need to know. Kate Hudson plays Andy,
a magazine columnist who pitches an idea about how to
get a man to leave you in just ten days
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by doing all the crazy things women do relationships. Matthew
McConaughey plays Ben, and at exec who to win a
big campaign, bets he can make any woman fall in
love with him in ten days. Andy and Ben meet
at a bar, both unaware of each other's scheme, and
start dating. I think you can see what's going to
happen from here. To talk about this movie, I brought
(03:20):
on comedians Brandon Follick and Ivy Lou. I can't wait
for you to hear our conversation. Brandon, Ivy Welcome to
Boy Sover.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Oh my god, thanks for having me us.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I know okay.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I would love for you. I would love for you
to both introduce yourselves.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
My name is Brandon Fallick. I'm a comedian, actor, writer,
a podcaster with my best friend and co host, Ivy Lou.
I perform all over the city and I write for
various humor websites and whatnot. I do stand up kind
of wherever they will allow me, which tends to be
basements and occasionally the ground, which is high brow.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
A basement is high brow in my opinion when it
comes to comedy.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, when you're a basement dweller, I'm like, oh, that's
so great because we can like already match each other
on the same level.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, the legwork is kind of gone.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm Ivy. I am a comedian, a freshly podcaster okay,
with my best friend Brandon Follock, and we just had
you as our.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Guests in the name of y'all's podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Everybody wants to be my friend?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And what are y'all talking about?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So we're talking about friendship culture. We're talking about I
like to say friendship philosophy, but it sounds really stupid
when I say it, because.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, no, go high brow.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I like comedians of the moderns. We really wanted to
like capture the essence of like sleepover girly time.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Which is why we always record at three am.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah. Well, you know, it's like our friendship is so
pure and like everyone should be able to experience this
in their lives in a culture that is so isolated,
in a culture that seeks to alienate you from other
people or like make you fearful of other people. It's like,
how do we make a show that aligns with the
value of the importance of connecting with people you know?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yes, and I also love that it celebrates friendship because
so much is about romance. I mean, today we're talking
about rom coms, right, but this movie is kind of
giving late night sleepover.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
It is so.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I was devastated and watched this in our pajamasy I.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Should do it after the show.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I will have.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
A lot of commentary.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I'm so excited. Okay, I want to ask you all
about this movie how to Lose a Guy in ten Days.
To kick it off, I want you to give this
movie like one out of five roses, and why what's
your review, Brandon.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm giving it three out of five roses.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Three out of five roses. Tell me why.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think it's a story. It works for me. It
totally makes sense why these protagonists know each other like
the whole like subtext of like each of them has
a bet going on. The other one doesn't know about it,
the viewer knows. They get to see like how the
other one's behaving works totally. The stakes have never been higher.
I love all the external characters. I love the plot
points that we're hitting. I love that genre of ram
coom where like so much just kind of a magazine
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editor and like they live comfortably in New York City
and you don't see them type of single word dad.
And that's the things that fall for me. I would
love to share for later.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay, we want to save it. So three out of
five roses, yes, IV, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Honestly four out of five roses. I love this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I loved it. I mean, okay, my biggest quama about
this movie, which we will get into later. I know
that you guys were talking about Catherine Han in the
group chat, but I thought she was underutilized.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Like I think we now, like looking back, see her
as such a genius that like in a movie like
this where it's so like Kookie. Of course, the like therape,
this scene is so funny, improvised in no way. Yeah,
the sweater, the armpits.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, Okay, I could tell because I could tell she
almost laughed when she put the tissue under her armpit.
I saw that sneaky laugh, and I was like, I
thought she was about to burn psonal.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, early, Catherine's so good.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Between Catherine Han's character and Kate Hudson's character Michelle and Andy,
who do you relate to more?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh I'm Michelle.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I Oh, I'm Kate Hudson.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What makes you say you're Michelle? What makes you say
you're Kate?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Because I act like that Hu, which is crazy, which is,
by the way, women be crazy. I want to say
this movie is firstly about the indomitable will of men
and secondly about how women be crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I related to it, and I was like, yeah, no,
I can see myself doing a few of those things.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Funny, how like the conceit of the movie is, Oh,
Kate huns is driving this man away by acting how
I act.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
She's diverting the feminist norm.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
What did you think about the female co workers Bend.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, Judy and Judy and Judy, Oh my god, there
are such cunts.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I want to there's so yeah, they were so evil.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Wanted a cocaut bathroom with them, so bad. Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I also want to highlight because I was noticing too,
like the drinks that people ordered at the bar were
defined by the class of the character, and Judy and
Judy were always drinking champagne slash prosecco slash sparkling wine.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So you think they're dramatory. I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
What else did you notice? What other drinks did you notice?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yes, but she order her I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Geotagically attracts.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
She wanted Matthew McConaughey so bad.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I have never been more attracted about McConaughey in my life.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What is the hottest thing about Matthew McConaughey in this movie.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
How close he is to Kate Hudson, How close he
is to all the guys in that movie? Are drinking
something brown? Because that's what guys, that's an He's drinking Martiniz.
Catherine Hanna is drinking vaka cranberries love, which I.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Love every woman.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
She's a relatable girl.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
She's well, she's supposed to be this like not infantalized,
but like she's like college like emotional maturity, Whereas Andy's
like the cosmopolitan girl, Like she's got a grip on men.
She knows what the dating is, right.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Do you think Andy is a guys girl or a
girl's girl?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Girls girl?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, girls girl. But she loves sports and religion.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Religion and so like she doesn't have any male friends.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
No, she doesn't. It's an impressive thing. Like she's a
girl's girl, but she loves the.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Ns, but she has like regular interests, you know what
I mean? Like, yes, I think the boys night scene
is really telling because she like knows enough about poker
to like fuck up the game so bad that no
one wants to play right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And the detailed timing of when she's demanding that job.
I'm like, this is a woman who's analyzed sports like
it's not diet.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's funny he didn't just say no.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know what I mean, you're saying it's crazy that
Matthew McConaughey didn't say no, I'm not going to go
get you another coke. The game was almost over.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's like, yeah, wait one second, I'm gonna go do it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
She was like, I'm so thirsty.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm so they were going to get a drink after this.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Didn't exist yet in two thousand and three, So where
were they going to get a drink after the coensation
gumps handhold yet?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Have you guys ever tried to lose a guy like this?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I would not spread it out over the course of
ten days and I don't think Andy was going to either.
She was like, why is it ten days?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
We run?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
In eleven?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I'd be sabotage relationships?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Absolutely, when's the last time today? What happened?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean, no, not really. I think once you get
into the like oh maybe this is getting serious, it's like,
well you have to use something crazy to see if
you can scare them?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Is it a test?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean, this guy a playlist and when he didn't
listen to it, I was like, you don't care about
the art that I like, you don't want to connect
over this, And like maybe I was being seriou and
maybe I wasn't, but I did say it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
How did you know he didn't listen to the playlist?
You told you?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He told me? Yeah, he was like not shy about it,
And I was like, I was like, come on, you
have to wait. Did get really into a hundred gigs
for me?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh my gosh, What is the craziest thing you've ever
done in a relationship?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like to pressure test it?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Like in an in an Andy sense?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, Oh, oh my gosh, Brandon, what's the craziest thing
you have you ever?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Probably dragged my boyfriend around the New York comedy scene. No,
what have I done to like test him? Oh my gosh,
that's really interesting other than talking about him on stage.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh my gosh, that is quite a test. Do you
think they kind of like it a little?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yes? They do.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, it's pretty lot. We talked about Yeah, yeah, you
had to be immortalized, and I said that's ultimately improvisable,
not quality worthy of being repeated again. Yeah, yeah, they
live for that.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I have an example, like I was in a situationship
with this guy and he was sick. He thought he
had like COVID or something, and we had been dating
for like two weeks, and I fully went to his
i'se dropped off soup, dropped off groceries, like essentially just
full homecare. Well, yeah, at home care fully, girlfriend mode,
nurse mode, and not my boyfriend at all, because the
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thing is he's not Andy's boyfriend the whole time.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
M Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Do you ever do something so overtly romantic for someone
that you know it's not gonna work out with?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh my god, I mean yeah all the time. I
think when I know specifically it's not going to work out,
I go into overdrive, like I turn into Andy trying
to like make it happen, save the nothing. What is
that line that we loved so much at the very end,
you can't lose what you never had?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah? Oh yeah, wait, can I ask y'all? Something vulnerable
about this movie made me think about I don't know
why I did, but I did write it in my notes.
Do you guys ever say I love you to one
nce fans?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I definitely think about it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Oh I do. I sit on and I say I
love you.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I love you only for the one I said.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Are you hand their faces in your hands? You're like
making eye contact with them. You're like, I love it, yes, yes,
and it never scares them away.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No, because they're inside bes.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Do you think Andy and Ben would last past the movie?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, Well the whole thing was that Ben saw the
parts of Andy that were her naturally right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, and like they're able to like joke about it
at the end of the movie, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
he has no idea what her actual personality is like,
except he believes that he does. And she's like, well,
all of the crazy stuff was just an act and
I'm actually quite normal.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
There's no way she's totally normal, though she has to Yeah,
I mean she had to.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I don't know if it was like her the woman
she's been observing, but she knew exactly how to take
that relationship under warp speed mode. So true, like every
day was something absolutely nuts, was awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, it's a favorite crazy thing she did.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I love the Celine Dion moment, but I think the
craziest thing to me is meeting the parents, right. Oh, Like,
what did you think about the subtext of them being
so able to call each other out on their bullshit
when they're both lying to each other.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh yeah, when it came back at the end of
the movie, I called back, like, no, me too, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
God, what propaganda do you think this movie is spreading.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That you can leave in New York on an editor's salary. Also,
those ideals that like Andy were like trying to find
so repulsive, like, aren't actually that bad. Like you can
be cleaning, you can be needy, you can be touchy,
feeling totally that's fine. Sometimes relationships do you require that.
I definitely think like Andy exaggerated it and made it
like an excess, but like those qualities themselves aren't bad.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Right, Like the best part of the movie to me
was when Catherine Hahn got her man back.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, yeah, when.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
He walks in at the door with.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The roy guy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Oh my god, and he was so cute.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Okay. The other thing too, is they do so much
labeling of different relationship types, which is like people are
allowed to live organically outside of those, like the whole
discussion about like who to sell diamonds to, Like who's
a proper fit for a customer for a diamond who's
not like what type of relationship are they seeking, Like
what's like a class level that like they don't exist
in like that whole idea of like only someone who's
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like so emotional and deluded to this point they're not
diamond worthy. She wore like a real high priced quality necklace,
by the way, like they had like Kate Hudson like, yeah,
that was like a high secure that yellow diamonds.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, no, gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Who would you cast if there was a remake in
twenty twenty five for How to Lose Guy in Ten Days?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Kate Hudson's the editor in chief, by the way.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Oh right, of course, Yeah, she's the boss now, and
she's letting everyone write about the war.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
She's start letting over yeah, what is his team Vogue?
Oh my gosh, would we put Dove Cameron in?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No Cameron.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Or maybe Renee rap None is gay.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I can't even passes straight anymore at this point.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
She's just too confunised.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think she's such a great actress though, well for me,
it's either Sabrina Carpenter or maybe a lot of condor
a random pick. But she is Vietnamese, and I think
it's hugely She was the girl from To All the
Boys I've loved before.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, okay, hes.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The Matthew McConaughey character who's been It's not Timothy.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Shall no god, no, no, no no, it's it's not
no no, no, no, no, no no. It's got to be
a guy who's like in his thirties.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
He's the guy from Baby Girl. No he's no, it's
got to be No.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But there's a really good role out there brewing for him.
He's so good.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Well, and I was thinking about like, who the male
wrong come leads are in this Dan and Age, and
it's like Miles Teller, Glenn Powell.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Oh my god, I'm gonna give no.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Glenn Powell looks like an old Navy mannequin.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't know if anyone has the same ridge.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Will sharp, Will Sharp, of a white lotus and too
much name.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh yeah, ye that guy or who was the one
that was one that was in Riverdale? I only know
the Sprouse, No, the Asian guy from Riverdale. I'm using
my powers. I'm using my powers. Charles Wilton, Oh my god,
Charles meltin to look it up. I love O.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yes, he's so beautiful, He's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Good. I think with the right woman it would be
really good chemistry.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And we're thinking Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I would love Sabriena Carpenter. If she had like a
j Lo phase where she just did a bunch of
rom coms, it would be what about Rachel Senate?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
What about Rachel Senna?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I like that too, Molly Gordon.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Molly Gordon. See there so many out there, so many
women that could bring a really fun and fresh take
to the Kate Hudson roll. And they're like, we're literally
scraping the bottle of the barrel for bed. Wait.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, could the guy from the Bear be Matthew McConaughey
and Jeremy the Bear?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Oh sure, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, he does have mass appeal. I was gonna say
he's am I going to get crucified for saying Jeremy
Allen White is a short king and therefore his casting
might be controversial. I don't want to be controversial. I
don't want to get canceled.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well not actually it might be who them to cast him,
because listen to this, like man or so there is
only four eleven. Yeah, they can get a really tiny
camera there, No, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Okay, how do you think this movie would play out
if the roles were reversed?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Like then was the one writing the article, Andy was
the one who is trying to get him to fall
in love with her.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think that it would be a true crime documentary.
Problematic basically killed me. Yeah, that scene where she's like,
I'm going to make you wish you were bad. Imagine
a man saying that that's a horror film. Literally nightmare.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's my nightmare.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
The thing is, when I want a guy to fall
in love with me, like I usually act crazy, like
it's sort of about being apathetic when it comes to
getting a guy to fall in love with you, in
my opinion, make them feel kind of forgotten about.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, we should be manipulating then more.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Sorry, I'm thinking a lot about the movie Gone Girl.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right now, what do you think a man has to
do to lose the woman?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
What do I think a man has to do?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, his job, plug, his improv show on his Instagram.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He has to Oh my god, he has to be
part of.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm actually slipping out of my seat right now. A
guy ever done anything to What's the craziest thing a
guy has done to lose you? What's your biggest achy egg?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Damn? Okay. I was on a date last night and
this guy had banks and I said, what hairline? Are
we rocking under those banks? And he pulls his banks
back and his hairline is all the way back here,
and I just want someone to own it, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You wants yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Sexy. You know, show me what you're working with.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You're going to Turkey?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
How soon is too soon to introduce your partner to
your parents?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You can't do that with them the first like six months?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Even six months, feel.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Suits I've been introduced to the parents before six months.
Drove to Atlanta from Knoxville, Tennessee and not even dating girl,
not even dating I think so many things happen when
you're not even together together.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, when you're like when you're like friends. So it's
like conceivably like this could be anything totally.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Maybe the stakes feel so low, like whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Well, if you're going to end up living with them
in a year, because everyone needs to live with each
other in the New York apartment scheme.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Now that's really something I've been thinking a lot about.
Is I need to get a boyfriend because I want
to cut my rent in half?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, sad, Oh my god, subsidize your rent please.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I'm like, my rent can't go up again and me
still be single, Like it just can't happen.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, you're looking for Uh have you ever gone on
a date with someone for a quote unquote assignment, whether
it was something you're therapist assigned to you or you're
like this is for my story.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I am trying to go on dates with men who
have money. I am trying to do that just because
I usually generational wealth. No, just like a job, like
what do you what's your what's your qualification for?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Has money?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Like someone maybe with health insurance is what I'm looking
for right now.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, benefits, benefits.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, yeah, I was in the East village when I
met a guy who had been on unemployment for like
six months, and I thought in Manhattan I would find
a guy with benefits, right, But I found someone who
didn't have them. And then last night I was on
this date and I just found out, Yeah, he has
a nine to five.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So that's sort of in a moment. Yeah, what insurance?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I didn't check.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's first a behavior. He asks what are your favorite
things about yourself internally and externally? And you say, how
much is your copet for a specialist?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah? Have you hit your deduct this year?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
How much is left in your FSA?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Your company is covering your premium?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah? Do you get commuter benefits city by subscription?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm gonna turn thirty next year. These are all very
important questions for me, you know huge. When was the
last first date you went on?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, the Saturday?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And how was it good?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
We spent all day together?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Was it just a one day date or did it
turn into like a tooth.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Three talking for a while and we were looking at
an apartment for him to move into, and like that
was your date. We went to Chinatown and got food,
but then yeah, that was mostly vid.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
You were apartment hunting together. We are kind of five
hundred days of summer, but like a bit beyond ikea
a bit beyond for sure. It was you've been in
a long term relationship multi year?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, how long? Depending on who you ask, of course. Yeah,
let's say back together too. Yeah, we we dated for
like a year, broke up, went on a break then
a breakup, then we got back together. Okay, and that
was like a nine month period of break breakup.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You haven't had a first date in a while?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No Saturday?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, well no during the breakup, so that was like
twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Do you miss first time dates? Do you miss?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Like? First dates are so fun? I mean like you
do definitely have to go through like the labor of
like rehearsing your total introduction over and over with someone.
But it's like I love using first states as a
way to go to places I've been meaning to go to. Okay, yeah,
it's like, oh I really I've been meaning to check
out this part. Yeah, let's go justin like totally, let's
go see if we like it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, Ontario, Ontario, great first date spot. They have ski
ball or no, they have they have air hockey, Oh,
you like an activity. I love an activity. Oh my god. Well,
if there's like a way to this is my first
date tip for all the ladies out there. If there
is a way for you to like play a game
with someone where you can incorporate shit talk and like
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potentially even like crush them, it is I mean the
most powerful I think.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, like playing a game with someone, you really get
to see who they are, like if they get weird
and they're like an asshole.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
For real? Games are primal.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Wait, I should be doing this more often, playing games
on a first day.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Wonderville first okay, spot Wonderville.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, what about the shower sex scene though?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
What about the god in the bathroom with her dirty
ass hair, dirty ass tag tag? Yeah, I just said something.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
He was wearing a collegiate gray shirt.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And they took off his shirt. Matthew McConaughey without a
shirt on in this movie.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh my. The first scene in the movie is riding
into the office of the motorcycle and immediately taking his
shirt off.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You not bring a different change of clothes after commuting
into the Midtown office.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I'm not changing in front of my coworkers.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Love to know who is taking their shirt off in
the office.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Can I say something jundiversial anti shower sex?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, honestly, yeah, because I think when.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You're hair is dry, boys are too dumb to know
that it's actually quite fragile your hair. And when your
hair is wet, it's like even worse, you know what
I mean? And like if someone ripped out a clump
of my hair while while you're having I would I
would scream.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
What gets me about shower sex is the having to
take turns being under the water, so like someone's you're
okay with that. I don't know what do you think
about it?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
The water thing is a little interesting, like you do
need to have it extremely hot sway that the steam
is kind of keeping everything to I think shower sex
should just really like hands and mouth stuff. Yeah, are
you very fair?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But that scene, I was so relieved when they finally
started kissing.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh my god, it was so hot. I know I
need it a little bit more chemistry is insane. I
need to watch them like freaking doll. I love.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
God. I am Gwyneth Paltrow is considered for the role
of Kate.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, and I'm curious nearly as charming?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
No, no, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
What do you think when shallow hal Paltrow?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I kind of love you telling me my matriarch kids
lead in a rom com? I think she could have
brought it out, you think so? I think young Gwyneth
Paltrow had a really like warm charm.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
She doesn't have the like sardonic edge to her that
Kate hasan does so whenever she reveals her vulnerability, it's
not as satisfying.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Were you not following the ski incident in court?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
In the courtroom, she has like a rich cunt as
you know what I mean. She is not relatable fun.
She's not like a girl who wants to go to
a basketball game. She's a girl who wants to sit
in the box at all.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I agree, what do y'all think we are missing now
when we make a rom com? Like are missing Nora?
But just what do you think, like, why is it
so hard to make a good rom com? Now?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think that with like modern at least films like
that are meant to have mass appeal, and like even theater,
even music, whatever, there's this emphasis on neoliberal virtue signaling
where we're all like so obsessed with coming off as
feminist and like you know, do whatever. It's like we
don't want to see women behave in ways that contradict
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the image of the millennial girl boss totally. I would
love to see a modern romcom where like the girl
is like a mess or she's like you know, now, now,
suddenly we're getting an Amy.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Fleabag, though, like I s flea Bag doesn't great job
of like making the female lead like a disaster, like
a disaster but still lovable.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And disaster is different from anti hero, but tell the difference.
Disaster is more like raw and organic, and like they
don't fit in the society that other people have built
around them, Like they're seen as the outcast anti hero,
Like there's something like a little more internally flawed within them.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think it's general we need more women behaving badly.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, I would like to see that as well.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I think rom coms these days are also like jumping
towards like they want that type of like timelessness feel
to those movies at like the nineties and oughts add
to them because like they've had time to age and
we've had time to like poke holes in them. But
like that's not going to like be associated with commercial success.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think also like rom coms are a coming of.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Age story just by the nature of adults whenever they
settle down with men, Yes, how else will we collect
the dowry?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
But it is like there's like the classic coming of
age where like you know, someone's like growing up and
maturing and like coming into be who they are. But
then there's also like rom com scene in the Coming
of Age lens where it's like they're seeing themselves within
the context of another partner. They're seeing themselves within the
like sociological landscape of like how other people are like
navigating a capitalist system where everyone's being forced to pair
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up and buy a house and Sarata family. And I
think there's there's just not great storytelling sometimes because I
think we know that, like in the end they have
to end up together totally, I don't always have to.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Like in How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days,
I loved that there was just an answering machine, Like
I loved that they're not texting all the time, Like,
is there something you wish we had in modern dating
now that they had in the two thousands?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Guys bringing flowers?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, oh my gosh, Yeah, we're done.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
With that, the scene where he sent flowers, that's cringe.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But that's go. But when Catherine Hansey comes back at
the end and he's got flowers, yes, I'm like, oh
my god, I would cry. I would cry and suck
you off in the doorway away from me with flowers off.
Yeah yeah, yeah right there through something And then.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Wait, have you ever gotten flowers for someone or receive them?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I got flowers from a guy when I was sixteen.
He left them in my car when I was working,
and he had a note with them, a letter, and
it me he knows like one day our love will
die like these flowers. I really thought that was romantic,
and I got so mad at him about it. I
was like sixteen, and I was like walking out of
my coffee shop job, being like, why did you write that?
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Like and it did die and he married my best friend.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Oh my god, oh my god. Wow, men are not.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Is that the last? Surely that's not the last time
I got Does she know that story? I'm not sure
you should tell her.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I think it would be funny. I mean, like it's
not like not just our drama, but to be like,
that's a funny thing that your husband said to.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Me, Okay, what about you? Anything you meant or anything
you wish was a part of dating now that was
a part of dating culture in the two thousands.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, you kind of hit it with just the lack
of digital right connections all the time, like not even
knowing mutual friends and whatnot. Like one thing I like
when I was going on dates was I always try
to date people who like we had no mutual friends,
like not to be like because I want to like
abandon you or whatever, but it's kind of like, oh,
I'm like getting to like see someone who like lives
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in a space that I don't frequent myself. And I
think not having Instagram or like any type of like
social media like that and dating would be really helpful
for those situations.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
What do you think this movie teaches us about love?
If anything, that.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
There should be two liars at all times.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Waiting to have sex is hot, Okay, waiting to have
sex is perhaps the most powerful afrodisia I've ever made.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Damn, are you good at waiting to have sex? Though?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Me either, Brandon, No, Yeah, but maybe we should try.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Maybe we should try.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Okay, let's try.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Sobriety, sobriety, y'all.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thank you so much for coming on talking about and
watching the movie. It's been so much.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Fun, y'all.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I had the best time talking about this movie with
Brandon and Ivy, and I hope you enjoyed our first
rom com round table as much as we enjoyed making it.
Now I'm gonna go browse yellow dresses and start telling
all of my dates. I love them because Catherine Hans's
character and that man of hers give me so much hope.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
What are our thoughts on the yellow dress?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I love the yellow signature, and why was it immediately
breathtaking to me? Like I just thought, okay, it was
the low bag. It's the combination of the nipples in
the low bag.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I was not a huge fan of the yellow dress.
But more importantly the hair, I know, the low pony, yeah,
the like low bun. I'm like, wait, she going to
work a library. Jesus. Yeah, it's like, got out of here.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You simple girl. She's a writer, she's a jer my god.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, that's the thing is like low maintenance women. That's
such a like an early odds thing. It's like, oh,
fuck yourself, dude, claw clib.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
The people spoke and we listened to kick off Boiceover's
first ever rom Com Roundtable. We're talking all about How
to Lose a Guy in Ten Days. I'm hopewonderd and
welcome to Boys Over a space where we're learning and
unlearning all the myths we're taught about love and relationships.
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Who doesn't love a rom com. They're hilarious, they're cute,
some may say they're a lost Most importantly, though, they
make us feel our feelings and reflect on our own lives.
They say a lot about the standards of the time
we're living in and can spark fierce debates. Can men
and women really just be friends? Is holding up a
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boombox outside your window creepy or cute? Is it possible
to not fall in love with someone if they run
after you in the rain? All of this is why
we're bringing you a special episode, Boyce Sover's first ever
rom com Roundtable, where I bring on smart and funny
people to discuss the movies that shaped our idea of love.
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First up, we're talking about the two thousand and three
classic How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days, starring
Kate Hudson and Matthew McConaughey. If you've never seen it,
here's what you need to know. Kate Hudson plays Andy,
a magazine columnist who pitches an idea about how to
get a man to leave you in just ten days
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by doing all the crazy things women do relationships. Matthew
McConaughey plays Ben, and at exec who to win a
big campaign, bets he can make any woman fall in
love with him in ten days. Andy and Ben meet
at a bar, both unaware of each other's scheme, and
start dating. I think you can see what's going to
happen from here. To talk about this movie, I brought
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on comedians Brandon Follick and Ivy Lou. I can't wait
for you to hear our conversation. Brandon, Ivy Welcome to
Boy Sover.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Oh my god, thanks for having me us.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I know okay.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I would love for you. I would love for you
to both introduce yourselves.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
My name is Brandon Fallick. I'm a comedian, actor, writer,
a podcaster with my best friend and co host, Ivy Lou.
I perform all over the city and I write for
various humor websites and whatnot. I do stand up kind
of wherever they will allow me, which tends to be
basements and occasionally the ground, which is high brow.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
A basement is high brow in my opinion when it
comes to comedy.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, when you're a basement dweller, I'm like, oh, that's
so great because we can like already match each other
on the same level.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, the legwork is kind of gone.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm Ivy. I am a comedian, a freshly podcaster okay,
with my best friend Brandon Follock, and we just had
you as our.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Guests in the name of y'all's podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Everybody wants to be my friend?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And what are y'all talking about?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So we're talking about friendship culture. We're talking about I
like to say friendship philosophy, but it sounds really stupid
when I say it, because.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, no, go high brow.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I like comedians of the moderns. We really wanted to
like capture the essence of like sleepover girly time.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Which is why we always record at three am.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah. Well, you know, it's like our friendship is so
pure and like everyone should be able to experience this
in their lives in a culture that is so isolated,
in a culture that seeks to alienate you from other
people or like make you fearful of other people. It's like,
how do we make a show that aligns with the
value of the importance of connecting with people you know?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yes, and I also love that it celebrates friendship because
so much is about romance. I mean, today we're talking
about rom coms, right, but this movie is kind of
giving late night sleepover.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
It is so.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I was devastated and watched this in our pajamasy I.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Should do it after the show.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I will have.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
A lot of commentary.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I'm so excited. Okay, I want to ask you all
about this movie how to Lose a Guy in ten Days.
To kick it off, I want you to give this
movie like one out of five roses, and why what's
your review, Brandon.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm giving it three out of five roses.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Three out of five roses. Tell me why.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think it's a story. It works for me. It
totally makes sense why these protagonists know each other like
the whole like subtext of like each of them has
a bet going on. The other one doesn't know about it,
the viewer knows. They get to see like how the
other one's behaving works totally. The stakes have never been higher.
I love all the external characters. I love the plot
points that we're hitting. I love that genre of ram
coom where like so much just kind of a magazine
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editor and like they live comfortably in New York City
and you don't see them type of single word dad.
And that's the things that fall for me. I would
love to share for later.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay, we want to save it. So three out of
five roses, yes, IV, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Honestly four out of five roses. I love this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I loved it. I mean, okay, my biggest quama about
this movie, which we will get into later. I know
that you guys were talking about Catherine Han in the
group chat, but I thought she was underutilized.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Like I think we now, like looking back, see her
as such a genius that like in a movie like
this where it's so like Kookie. Of course, the like therape,
this scene is so funny, improvised in no way. Yeah,
the sweater, the armpits.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, Okay, I could tell because I could tell she
almost laughed when she put the tissue under her armpit.
I saw that sneaky laugh, and I was like, I
thought she was about to burn psonal.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, early, Catherine's so good.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Between Catherine Han's character and Kate Hudson's character Michelle and Andy,
who do you relate to more?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh I'm Michelle.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I Oh, I'm Kate Hudson.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What makes you say you're Michelle? What makes you say
you're Kate?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Because I act like that Hu, which is crazy, which is,
by the way, women be crazy. I want to say
this movie is firstly about the indomitable will of men
and secondly about how women be crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I related to it, and I was like, yeah, no,
I can see myself doing a few of those things.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Funny, how like the conceit of the movie is, Oh,
Kate huns is driving this man away by acting how
I act.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
She's diverting the feminist norm.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
What did you think about the female co workers Bend.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, Judy and Judy and Judy, Oh my god, there
are such cunts.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I want to there's so yeah, they were so evil.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Wanted a cocaut bathroom with them, so bad. Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I also want to highlight because I was noticing too,
like the drinks that people ordered at the bar were
defined by the class of the character, and Judy and
Judy were always drinking champagne slash prosecco slash sparkling wine.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So you think they're dramatory. I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
What else did you notice? What other drinks did you notice?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yes, but she order her I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Geotagically attracts.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
She wanted Matthew McConaughey so bad.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I have never been more attracted about McConaughey in my life.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What is the hottest thing about Matthew McConaughey in this movie.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
How close he is to Kate Hudson, How close he
is to all the guys in that movie? Are drinking
something brown? Because that's what guys, that's an He's drinking Martiniz.
Catherine Hanna is drinking vaka cranberries love, which I.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Love every woman.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
She's a relatable girl.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
She's well, she's supposed to be this like not infantalized,
but like she's like college like emotional maturity, Whereas Andy's
like the cosmopolitan girl, Like she's got a grip on men.
She knows what the dating is, right.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Do you think Andy is a guys girl or a
girl's girl?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Girls girl?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, girls girl. But she loves sports and religion.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Religion and so like she doesn't have any male friends.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
No, she doesn't. It's an impressive thing. Like she's a
girl's girl, but she loves the.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Ns, but she has like regular interests, you know what
I mean? Like, yes, I think the boys night scene
is really telling because she like knows enough about poker
to like fuck up the game so bad that no
one wants to play right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And the detailed timing of when she's demanding that job.
I'm like, this is a woman who's analyzed sports like
it's not diet.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's funny he didn't just say no.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know what I mean, you're saying it's crazy that
Matthew McConaughey didn't say no, I'm not going to go
get you another coke. The game was almost over.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's like, yeah, wait one second, I'm gonna go do it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
She was like, I'm so thirsty.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm so they were going to get a drink after this.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Didn't exist yet in two thousand and three, So where
were they going to get a drink after the coensation
gumps handhold yet?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Have you guys ever tried to lose a guy like this?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I would not spread it out over the course of
ten days and I don't think Andy was going to either.
She was like, why is it ten days?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
We run?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
In eleven?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I'd be sabotage relationships?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Absolutely, when's the last time today? What happened?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean, no, not really. I think once you get
into the like oh maybe this is getting serious, it's like,
well you have to use something crazy to see if
you can scare them?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Is it a test?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean, this guy a playlist and when he didn't
listen to it, I was like, you don't care about
the art that I like, you don't want to connect
over this, And like maybe I was being seriou and
maybe I wasn't, but I did say it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
How did you know he didn't listen to the playlist?
You told you?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He told me? Yeah, he was like not shy about it,
And I was like, I was like, come on, you
have to wait. Did get really into a hundred gigs
for me?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh my gosh, What is the craziest thing you've ever
done in a relationship?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like to pressure test it?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Like in an in an Andy sense?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, Oh, oh my gosh, Brandon, what's the craziest thing
you have you ever?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Probably dragged my boyfriend around the New York comedy scene. No,
what have I done to like test him? Oh my gosh,
that's really interesting other than talking about him on stage.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh my gosh, that is quite a test. Do you
think they kind of like it a little?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yes? They do.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, it's pretty lot. We talked about Yeah, yeah, you
had to be immortalized, and I said that's ultimately improvisable,
not quality worthy of being repeated again. Yeah, yeah, they
live for that.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I have an example, like I was in a situationship
with this guy and he was sick. He thought he
had like COVID or something, and we had been dating
for like two weeks, and I fully went to his
i'se dropped off soup, dropped off groceries, like essentially just
full homecare. Well, yeah, at home care fully, girlfriend mode,
nurse mode, and not my boyfriend at all, because the
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thing is he's not Andy's boyfriend the whole time.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
M Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Do you ever do something so overtly romantic for someone
that you know it's not gonna work out with?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh my god, I mean yeah all the time. I
think when I know specifically it's not going to work out,
I go into overdrive, like I turn into Andy trying
to like make it happen, save the nothing. What is
that line that we loved so much at the very end,
you can't lose what you never had?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah? Oh yeah, wait, can I ask y'all? Something vulnerable
about this movie made me think about I don't know
why I did, but I did write it in my notes.
Do you guys ever say I love you to one
nce fans?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I definitely think about it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Oh I do. I sit on and I say I
love you.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I love you only for the one I said.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Are you hand their faces in your hands? You're like
making eye contact with them. You're like, I love it, yes, yes,
and it never scares them away.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No, because they're inside bes.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Do you think Andy and Ben would last past the movie?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, Well the whole thing was that Ben saw the
parts of Andy that were her naturally right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, and like they're able to like joke about it
at the end of the movie, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
he has no idea what her actual personality is like,
except he believes that he does. And she's like, well,
all of the crazy stuff was just an act and
I'm actually quite normal.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
There's no way she's totally normal, though she has to Yeah,
I mean she had to.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I don't know if it was like her the woman
she's been observing, but she knew exactly how to take
that relationship under warp speed mode. So true, like every
day was something absolutely nuts, was awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, it's a favorite crazy thing she did.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I love the Celine Dion moment, but I think the
craziest thing to me is meeting the parents, right. Oh, Like,
what did you think about the subtext of them being
so able to call each other out on their bullshit
when they're both lying to each other.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh yeah, when it came back at the end of
the movie, I called back, like, no, me too, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
God, what propaganda do you think this movie is spreading.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That you can leave in New York on an editor's salary. Also,
those ideals that like Andy were like trying to find
so repulsive, like, aren't actually that bad. Like you can
be cleaning, you can be needy, you can be touchy,
feeling totally that's fine. Sometimes relationships do you require that.
I definitely think like Andy exaggerated it and made it
like an excess, but like those qualities themselves aren't bad.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Right, Like the best part of the movie to me
was when Catherine Hahn got her man back.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, yeah, when.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
He walks in at the door with.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The roy guy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Oh my god, and he was so cute.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Okay. The other thing too, is they do so much
labeling of different relationship types, which is like people are
allowed to live organically outside of those, like the whole
discussion about like who to sell diamonds to, Like who's
a proper fit for a customer for a diamond who's
not like what type of relationship are they seeking, Like
what's like a class level that like they don't exist
in like that whole idea of like only someone who's
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like so emotional and deluded to this point they're not
diamond worthy. She wore like a real high priced quality necklace,
by the way, like they had like Kate Hudson like, yeah,
that was like a high secure that yellow diamonds.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, no, gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Who would you cast if there was a remake in
twenty twenty five for How to Lose Guy in Ten Days?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Kate Hudson's the editor in chief, by the way.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Oh right, of course, Yeah, she's the boss now, and
she's letting everyone write about the war.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
She's start letting over yeah, what is his team Vogue?
Oh my gosh, would we put Dove Cameron in?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No Cameron.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Or maybe Renee rap None is gay.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I can't even passes straight anymore at this point.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
She's just too confunised.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think she's such a great actress though, well for me,
it's either Sabrina Carpenter or maybe a lot of condor
a random pick. But she is Vietnamese, and I think
it's hugely She was the girl from To All the
Boys I've loved before.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, okay, hes.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The Matthew McConaughey character who's been It's not Timothy.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Shall no god, no, no, no no, it's it's not
no no, no, no, no, no no. It's got to be
a guy who's like in his thirties.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
He's the guy from Baby Girl. No he's no, it's
got to be No.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But there's a really good role out there brewing for him.
He's so good.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Well, and I was thinking about like, who the male
wrong come leads are in this Dan and Age, and
it's like Miles Teller, Glenn Powell.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Oh my god, I'm gonna give no.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Glenn Powell looks like an old Navy mannequin.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't know if anyone has the same ridge.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Will sharp, Will Sharp, of a white lotus and too
much name.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh yeah, ye that guy or who was the one
that was one that was in Riverdale? I only know
the Sprouse, No, the Asian guy from Riverdale. I'm using
my powers. I'm using my powers. Charles Wilton, Oh my god,
Charles meltin to look it up. I love O.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yes, he's so beautiful, He's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Good. I think with the right woman it would be
really good chemistry.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And we're thinking Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I would love Sabriena Carpenter. If she had like a
j Lo phase where she just did a bunch of
rom coms, it would be what about Rachel Senate?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
What about Rachel Senna?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I like that too, Molly Gordon.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Molly Gordon. See there so many out there, so many
women that could bring a really fun and fresh take
to the Kate Hudson roll. And they're like, we're literally
scraping the bottle of the barrel for bed. Wait.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, could the guy from the Bear be Matthew McConaughey
and Jeremy the Bear?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Oh sure, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, he does have mass appeal. I was gonna say
he's am I going to get crucified for saying Jeremy
Allen White is a short king and therefore his casting
might be controversial. I don't want to be controversial. I
don't want to get canceled.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well not actually it might be who them to cast him,
because listen to this, like man or so there is
only four eleven. Yeah, they can get a really tiny
camera there, No, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Okay, how do you think this movie would play out
if the roles were reversed?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Like then was the one writing the article, Andy was
the one who is trying to get him to fall
in love with her.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think that it would be a true crime documentary.
Problematic basically killed me. Yeah, that scene where she's like,
I'm going to make you wish you were bad. Imagine
a man saying that that's a horror film. Literally nightmare.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's my nightmare.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
The thing is, when I want a guy to fall
in love with me, like I usually act crazy, like
it's sort of about being apathetic when it comes to
getting a guy to fall in love with you, in
my opinion, make them feel kind of forgotten about.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, we should be manipulating then more.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Sorry, I'm thinking a lot about the movie Gone Girl.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right now, what do you think a man has to
do to lose the woman?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
What do I think a man has to do?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, his job, plug, his improv show on his Instagram.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He has to Oh my god, he has to be
part of.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm actually slipping out of my seat right now. A
guy ever done anything to What's the craziest thing a
guy has done to lose you? What's your biggest achy egg?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Damn? Okay. I was on a date last night and
this guy had banks and I said, what hairline? Are
we rocking under those banks? And he pulls his banks
back and his hairline is all the way back here,
and I just want someone to own it, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You wants yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Sexy. You know, show me what you're working with.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You're going to Turkey?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
How soon is too soon to introduce your partner to
your parents?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You can't do that with them the first like six months?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Even six months, feel.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Suits I've been introduced to the parents before six months.
Drove to Atlanta from Knoxville, Tennessee and not even dating girl,
not even dating I think so many things happen when
you're not even together together.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, when you're like when you're like friends. So it's
like conceivably like this could be anything totally.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Maybe the stakes feel so low, like whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Well, if you're going to end up living with them
in a year, because everyone needs to live with each
other in the New York apartment scheme.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Now that's really something I've been thinking a lot about.
Is I need to get a boyfriend because I want
to cut my rent in half?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, sad, Oh my god, subsidize your rent please.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I'm like, my rent can't go up again and me
still be single, Like it just can't happen.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, you're looking for Uh have you ever gone on
a date with someone for a quote unquote assignment, whether
it was something you're therapist assigned to you or you're
like this is for my story.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I am trying to go on dates with men who
have money. I am trying to do that just because
I usually generational wealth. No, just like a job, like
what do you what's your what's your qualification for?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Has money?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Like someone maybe with health insurance is what I'm looking
for right now.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, benefits, benefits.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, yeah, I was in the East village when I
met a guy who had been on unemployment for like
six months, and I thought in Manhattan I would find
a guy with benefits, right, But I found someone who
didn't have them. And then last night I was on
this date and I just found out, Yeah, he has
a nine to five.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So that's sort of in a moment. Yeah, what insurance?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I didn't check.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's first a behavior. He asks what are your favorite
things about yourself internally and externally? And you say, how
much is your copet for a specialist?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah? Have you hit your deduct this year?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
How much is left in your FSA?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Your company is covering your premium?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah? Do you get commuter benefits city by subscription?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm gonna turn thirty next year. These are all very
important questions for me, you know huge. When was the
last first date you went on?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, the Saturday?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And how was it good?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
We spent all day together?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Was it just a one day date or did it
turn into like a tooth.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Three talking for a while and we were looking at
an apartment for him to move into, and like that
was your date. We went to Chinatown and got food,
but then yeah, that was mostly vid.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
You were apartment hunting together. We are kind of five
hundred days of summer, but like a bit beyond ikea
a bit beyond for sure. It was you've been in
a long term relationship multi year?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, how long? Depending on who you ask, of course. Yeah,
let's say back together too. Yeah, we we dated for
like a year, broke up, went on a break then
a breakup, then we got back together. Okay, and that
was like a nine month period of break breakup.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You haven't had a first date in a while?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No Saturday?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, well no during the breakup, so that was like
twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Do you miss first time dates? Do you miss?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Like? First dates are so fun? I mean like you
do definitely have to go through like the labor of
like rehearsing your total introduction over and over with someone.
But it's like I love using first states as a
way to go to places I've been meaning to go to. Okay, yeah,
it's like, oh I really I've been meaning to check
out this part. Yeah, let's go justin like totally, let's
go see if we like it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, Ontario, Ontario, great first date spot. They have ski
ball or no, they have they have air hockey, Oh,
you like an activity. I love an activity. Oh my god. Well,
if there's like a way to this is my first
date tip for all the ladies out there. If there
is a way for you to like play a game
with someone where you can incorporate shit talk and like
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potentially even like crush them, it is I mean the
most powerful I think.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, like playing a game with someone, you really get
to see who they are, like if they get weird
and they're like an asshole.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
For real? Games are primal.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Wait, I should be doing this more often, playing games
on a first day.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Wonderville first okay, spot Wonderville.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, what about the shower sex scene though?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
What about the god in the bathroom with her dirty
ass hair, dirty ass tag tag? Yeah, I just said something.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
He was wearing a collegiate gray shirt.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And they took off his shirt. Matthew McConaughey without a
shirt on in this movie.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh my. The first scene in the movie is riding
into the office of the motorcycle and immediately taking his
shirt off.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You not bring a different change of clothes after commuting
into the Midtown office.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I'm not changing in front of my coworkers.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Love to know who is taking their shirt off in
the office.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Can I say something jundiversial anti shower sex?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, honestly, yeah, because I think when.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You're hair is dry, boys are too dumb to know
that it's actually quite fragile your hair. And when your
hair is wet, it's like even worse, you know what
I mean? And like if someone ripped out a clump
of my hair while while you're having I would I
would scream.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
What gets me about shower sex is the having to
take turns being under the water, so like someone's you're
okay with that. I don't know what do you think
about it?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
The water thing is a little interesting, like you do
need to have it extremely hot sway that the steam
is kind of keeping everything to I think shower sex
should just really like hands and mouth stuff. Yeah, are
you very fair?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But that scene, I was so relieved when they finally
started kissing.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh my god, it was so hot. I know I
need it a little bit more chemistry is insane. I
need to watch them like freaking doll. I love.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
God. I am Gwyneth Paltrow is considered for the role
of Kate.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, and I'm curious nearly as charming?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
No, no, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
What do you think when shallow hal Paltrow?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I kind of love you telling me my matriarch kids
lead in a rom com? I think she could have
brought it out, you think so? I think young Gwyneth
Paltrow had a really like warm charm.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
She doesn't have the like sardonic edge to her that
Kate hasan does so whenever she reveals her vulnerability, it's
not as satisfying.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Were you not following the ski incident in court?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
In the courtroom, she has like a rich cunt as
you know what I mean. She is not relatable fun.
She's not like a girl who wants to go to
a basketball game. She's a girl who wants to sit
in the box at all.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I agree, what do y'all think we are missing now
when we make a rom com? Like are missing Nora?
But just what do you think, like, why is it
so hard to make a good rom com? Now?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think that with like modern at least films like
that are meant to have mass appeal, and like even theater,
even music, whatever, there's this emphasis on neoliberal virtue signaling
where we're all like so obsessed with coming off as
feminist and like you know, do whatever. It's like we
don't want to see women behave in ways that contradict
(28:20):
the image of the millennial girl boss totally. I would
love to see a modern romcom where like the girl
is like a mess or she's like you know, now, now,
suddenly we're getting an Amy.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Fleabag, though, like I s flea Bag doesn't great job
of like making the female lead like a disaster, like
a disaster but still lovable.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And disaster is different from anti hero, but tell the difference.
Disaster is more like raw and organic, and like they
don't fit in the society that other people have built
around them, Like they're seen as the outcast anti hero,
Like there's something like a little more internally flawed within them.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think it's general we need more women behaving badly.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, I would like to see that as well.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I think rom coms these days are also like jumping
towards like they want that type of like timelessness feel
to those movies at like the nineties and oughts add
to them because like they've had time to age and
we've had time to like poke holes in them. But
like that's not going to like be associated with commercial success.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think also like rom coms are a coming of.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Age story just by the nature of adults whenever they
settle down with men, Yes, how else will we collect
the dowry?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
But it is like there's like the classic coming of
age where like you know, someone's like growing up and
maturing and like coming into be who they are. But
then there's also like rom com scene in the Coming
of Age lens where it's like they're seeing themselves within
the context of another partner. They're seeing themselves within the
like sociological landscape of like how other people are like
navigating a capitalist system where everyone's being forced to pair
(29:55):
up and buy a house and Sarata family. And I
think there's there's just not great storytelling sometimes because I
think we know that, like in the end they have
to end up together totally, I don't always have to.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Like in How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days,
I loved that there was just an answering machine, Like
I loved that they're not texting all the time, Like,
is there something you wish we had in modern dating
now that they had in the two thousands?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Guys bringing flowers?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, oh my gosh, Yeah, we're done.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
With that, the scene where he sent flowers, that's cringe.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But that's go. But when Catherine Hansey comes back at
the end and he's got flowers, yes, I'm like, oh
my god, I would cry. I would cry and suck
you off in the doorway away from me with flowers off.
Yeah yeah, yeah right there through something And then.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Wait, have you ever gotten flowers for someone or receive them?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I got flowers from a guy when I was sixteen.
He left them in my car when I was working,
and he had a note with them, a letter, and
it me he knows like one day our love will
die like these flowers. I really thought that was romantic,
and I got so mad at him about it. I
was like sixteen, and I was like walking out of
my coffee shop job, being like, why did you write that?
(31:11):
Like and it did die and he married my best friend.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Oh my god, oh my god. Wow, men are not.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Is that the last? Surely that's not the last time
I got Does she know that story? I'm not sure
you should tell her.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I think it would be funny. I mean, like it's
not like not just our drama, but to be like,
that's a funny thing that your husband said to.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Me, Okay, what about you? Anything you meant or anything
you wish was a part of dating now that was
a part of dating culture in the two thousands.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, you kind of hit it with just the lack
of digital right connections all the time, like not even
knowing mutual friends and whatnot. Like one thing I like
when I was going on dates was I always try
to date people who like we had no mutual friends,
like not to be like because I want to like
abandon you or whatever, but it's kind of like, oh,
I'm like getting to like see someone who like lives
(31:59):
in a space that I don't frequent myself. And I
think not having Instagram or like any type of like
social media like that and dating would be really helpful
for those situations.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
What do you think this movie teaches us about love?
If anything, that.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
There should be two liars at all times.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Waiting to have sex is hot, Okay, waiting to have
sex is perhaps the most powerful afrodisia I've ever made.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Damn, are you good at waiting to have sex? Though?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Me either, Brandon, No, Yeah, but maybe we should try.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Maybe we should try.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Okay, let's try.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Sobriety, sobriety, y'all.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thank you so much for coming on talking about and
watching the movie. It's been so much.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Fun, y'all.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I had the best time talking about this movie with
Brandon and Ivy, and I hope you enjoyed our first
rom com round table as much as we enjoyed making it.
Now I'm gonna go browse yellow dresses and start telling
all of my dates. I love them because Catherine Hans's
character and that man of hers give me so much hope.
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Thanks for listening, and talk to y'all next week. Boy
Sover is a production of iHeart Podcasts. I'm your host, Hopewordard.
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!