October 17, 2024 • 15 mins
Ryan and Jeremy Scahill from DropSite News react to the breaking news reporting from the IDF that Hamas leader Sinwar has been killed in Gaza.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And we're getting news reports that Hamas leader Yaya Sinwar
may have been killed in an IDEA operation in northern Gaza. Today,
a lot is still unclear, but to unpack what happened,
what we know about what happened so far, and what
this could mean and who ya Ya Sinwar? Was joined
here by my drop site colleague Jeremy Scahill. I'm Ryan Grimm. Jeremy,
(00:22):
thanks for joining us on short notice.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good to be with you, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And so it's eleven thirty Eastern time right now. You may,
as you're watching this, know a little bit more about
this than we do at the moment, but we'll try
to give you the backstory and what this means. So, Jeremy,
I guess, first of all, who is Yaya sin War?
And while you're answering, I'll try to put up one
of the photos that is a suggestive of the fact
(00:48):
that they did indeed kill ya Sinowar.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, I mean, first of all, the caveat here is
that we're what we know about this right now is
entirely coming from the Israeli military and Israeli intelligence. There
have been previous reports indicating that Sinwar was killed or
may have been killed. The same scenario played out with
other senior figures within Hamas, including Mohammed Daif. So, you know,
(01:16):
with the sort of all encompassing caveat that it is,
you know, it's dependent on you know, much clearer evidence.
We can discuss what we know at this point, and
that is that on Wednesday night, apparently there was a
routine patrol in the south of Gaza and there was
some sort of This is all according to the Israelis.
We have to emphasize Hamas as of this moment, has
(01:38):
not put out any statement, but there was some sort
of a routine patrol happening with Israeli occupation forces in
southern Gaza. There's indications that it was either in.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Or I or Rafa I thought northern Gaza. Okay, good, okay, interesting, go.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Ahead, and there was, according to the Israelis, some kind
of a firefight. Initial report was that there was an
RPG fired by the Israeli forces at a building where
there were resistant Palestinian resistance fighters. More recently they've indicated
that it was tank fire that hit the building, and
some of the images that we've seen look like a
(02:13):
heavier ammunition was used because it collapsed part of the
concrete structure onto the individual that they're identifying as Yahya Sinhwar.
And then these soldiers when they went inside, and you
know what they say is that they're always looking for
the Israeli captives that are being held in Gaza. They
came across the bodies of what we understand now three
individuals who we believe are Palestinian resistance fighters, and the
(02:37):
soldiers saw one of them and believed that it was
Yahya Sinwar. He's a very distinct looking guy. The last
image that Israel claimed to that the world has seen
of Sinwar, it was a grainy image that the Israelis released.
They said it was captured from a security camera in
one of the tunnels in southern Gaza. Was a kind
(02:59):
of sigh in rear view of a man walking down
a tunnel with other individuals. But since then we haven't
seen anything, and Sinhwar has only put out a few statements.
You did release a couple of letters to foreign dignitaries
after Ismailhinia, the political leader of Hamas, was assassinated in Tehran,
(03:20):
and Sinhwar was then made the head of both the
military operations on the ground inside of Gaza, the political
leader in Gaza and the head of its political bureau,
which is largely based outside of Gaza. You know, the
story of Yaha Sinhwar in some ways is the story
of what happened to the Palestinians of Gaza. He was
born in a refugee camp in Khanyunis in nineteen sixty
(03:44):
two and he himself was part of the original formation
of Hamas. Soon after Hamas was formed, Yaha Sinhwar was
arrested by Israeli forces and he was accused of of
being a hit man, essentially for this new group that
was emerging that was responsible for taking out collaborators who
(04:07):
were working with the Israelis. They also tried to pin
on him allegations that he was involved with ambushing or
killing Israeli soldiers. But he ends up spending twenty two
years in an Israeli prison, and in fact, Sinhwar was
released in twenty eleven in a exchange deal for the
(04:28):
Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, and you had more than a
thousand Palestinian prisoners released during that deal, and one of
the chief negotiators was Yaja Sinhwaj's brother, Mohammed Sinhwar, who
also is a significant figure in the command structure of
Hamas and certainly in its ground operations over the past year.
(04:49):
So Sinhwar emerges from that prison and becomes quite quickly
a revered political leader of Hamas and ultimately then takes
control of the organization. While Sinwar was in prison, Ryan
he spent his time studying, and he himself has talked
about this and written about this. He spent his time
studying the Israeli state. He read the memoirs of shin Bet,
(05:11):
former shin Bet heads, other Israeli intelligence officials. In fact,
by hand he translated from Hebrew into Arabic these memoirs
and would disseminate them to other political prisoners, Palestinian political prisoners,
you know, arguing that you have to study the enemy
in order to to defeat the enemy.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But the thing I want to emphasize is if Yaija
Sinwar died. A couple of things here. First of all,
the Israelis have often portrayed him, and their political cartoons
show this as kind of a rat hiding in tunnels,
using Israeli captives as human shields, and it appears from
even Israel's own narrative about this alleged killing of Sinwar
(05:53):
that he died in combat wearing combat gear. They said
there was no sign of Israeli captives around fund him,
and already on social media in the Arabic language, you
see a lot of people saying that this this is
a holy shaheed, that this is a martyr who died
fighting for the Palestinian cause of liberation.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And so what would it mean for this, for this
conflict that's ongoing if he was killed.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, remember some months ago there were there was
reporting and it was it was based on leaks coming
out of the Biden administration. Uh that you know that
the Biden administration was dangling what they claimed was valuable
intelligence to help the Israelis locate Yahya Sinhwar. Now, the
US has been providing Israel intelligence on high value so
called high value targets throughout the duration of the past year.
(06:46):
But I think there that what it indicated was not
so much that that the US necessarily knew where Sinowar
was and was withholding that information from Israel, but rather
that I think the Biden administration has felt like if
Yahya sin War was killed, it would allow them to
argue with net Yahoo, you know, the time is up
to say, you know, declare victory and let's wrap this
(07:08):
thing up. Now. We have to emphasize that Biden has
not wrapped this thing up throughout the entire duration. I
think it's pretty clear he could have ended this a
long time ago with a phone call, as he did
in twenty twenty one. They certainly could have said no
more weapons for you, and Israel would have been in very,
very deep trouble, especially as it tried to launch this
multi front war, potentially also with Iran. But I think
(07:31):
that a mistake that that you know, Americans, that America
made during the so called War on Terror, and that
sometimes the you know, the Israeli press and government encourages
this narrative is that by killing leaders, whether it's Hassan
Nasralla of Hesbalah in Lebanon or Ismaelhania, the Hama's political leader,
(07:52):
or in this case, Yakja Sinwar, that by killing the leaders,
you somehow are going to destroy the resistance. And the
fact is that and history backs this up completely, that
every time the Israelis believe that they have achieved some
victory by assassinating a Palestinian leader, more rise up to
take their place. What I think it's indicative of, though, Ryan,
(08:15):
is that Netnyahu from the beginning never actually wanted a
deal here. He sabotaged every possibility of a ceasefire. Excuse
me of a prisoner exchange. You have ten thousand Palestinians
that are right now being held in Israeli custody. You
have high value political prisoners being held in Israeli custody.
If Netanyahu wanted to make a deal to release the
(08:37):
Israeli captives from Gaza, they would have had to give
over not just Palestinian children which they're holding and who
they subject to military tribunals, or people that had posted
WhatsApp or Facebook messages that the Israeli state has outlawed,
but there would have been political figures chief among them.
And number one on the list of Hamas, even though
he's not a HAMAS member, was marwe On Barguti, who
(09:01):
actually emerged as a leader of the Second Palestinian in Tafada,
was part of FATA and then became a paramilitary leader,
and he's been decades in Israeli prison. Some compare him
or say that he's a kin in ways to a
Palestinian Nelson Mandela one of the few figures that many
people believe would have the ability to unite both Gaza
(09:24):
and the West Bank and all of the factions into
a unified Palestinian entity that would make a very clear
demand for a Palestinian state to be recognized. It seems
as though what Netanyahu decided was I'm going to burn
Gaza to the ground. I'm going to kill as many
Palestinians as possible. I'm going to destroy the entire infrastructure
(09:47):
of Gaza, and if it means that, you know, one
hundred plus Israeli captives get killed in the process, it
was a price worth paying. That's what I think really
needs to be emphasized here. This shows that Netanya who
and the Israeli state, the security establishment embraced a scorched
earth policy that was aimed at obliterating Gaza as a
(10:09):
Palestinian territory, and many of the residents of Gaza with it.
So they can say, oh, this is a great victory,
and the watch for the Biden administration also to make
an argument, this means that you've won the war seventy
six years of oppression of apartheid, of colonialism, of targeted killing,
of mass killing, of starvation, of blockades, has shown that
(10:33):
you cannot kill the Palestinian resistance by killing the people
who happened to be the leaders at any given time
in history.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I certainly that theory will be tested at this point
because it seems like net Yahoo has no intention of
letting up. This comes at the same time that Biden,
last question for you here, has issued this very late
ultimatum that puts a thirty day al time, made them
that AID must get into Gaza, that puts it past
(11:04):
the election. Already, I'm getting reports from AID workers saying
that the AID trucks that they're claiming are getting in
aren't actually getting in, and in fact, they're pulling out
vetted drivers from the trucks and beating and arresting the drivers,
doing everything they can to kind of make it look
(11:25):
publicly like they're letting AID in while actually thwarting it
on the ground. So is this all of this just
on hold until the election? You know?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I think it's pretty clear that the Biden administration doesn't
have any intention of actually cutting off weapons to Israel.
The farthest that they're willing to go is to take
you know, in a symbolic way, the most contentious weapon
in the eyes of the US, these two thousand pound
bombs that caused horrifying civilian deaths, and to kind of
(11:59):
temporarily pause them. Let's remember that just in recent days,
the White House authorized the deployment of the THAD missile
system to Israel, supposedly to defend against potential Iranian counter strikes.
One hundred US military personnel went with it. The weapons
(12:20):
flow is continuing. Yes, there's probably a degree to which
this has to do with the election. And you know,
Kamala Harris has given given many opportunities to indicate that
she has any difference of perspective than Biden on this.
She's not only declined to do that, she's doubled down
on saying that she's been in the room and she
supports the policy entirely. I think there are probably many
(12:42):
people in the Biden administration that, for a variety of reasons,
are really fed up with this, and it's totally toxic
to the election campaign of Kamala Harris. But I wouldn't
look for anything significant to happen out of this. I
do think that Biden personally is going to try to
use if Sinwar is confirmed to be dead, is to
try to use this to make an argument that now
(13:03):
is the time for a deal. From Netanyahu's perspective, I
think he says, we don't even need to make a deal.
We can just keep killing through this. And what I
think they're going to hope for is let's try to
recover as many living hostages as possible. He's gambled with
the lives of these Israelis for an entire year. Israeli
forces have killed numerous hostages on their own. This all
(13:24):
could have been done a long long time ago, at
least since July second. This could have been ended in
a very clear way when Hamas told international mediators that
had accepted the terms of the Biden plan. So I
don't think you can you can put any hope that
the Biden administration is going to back up any of
its expressed frustration leaks with real policy, all.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Right, Jeremy Scalhell my co founder over at drop site News.
You can find or work at drop sitews dot com.
I'll also put a link down in the description below
to a twenty percent off discount that we're given for
subscription to Breaking Points viewers to check that out, So Jeremy, but.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Ryan one plug, I think people I want to just
tell people make sure to look at the recent reporting
from Abu Baker Ahbed who is a great young reporter
and Dare Albala, and he just did a report on
the young man. Everyone now has seen the images a Shaban,
the young man who was burned alive in the attack
(14:26):
on al Axa Hospital. But it's a very deep profile
that in many ways speaks to the utter loss that
Israel has imposed on the people of Gaza in every
aspect of their lives. It tells the life and death
of this young man who was still attached to an
IV when Israel struck the courtyard near al Axa Hospital
(14:47):
and caused him and his mother, another family member and
others to catch on fire and at least four people
died in that fire.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's a moving piece, quite moving piece, and I'll put
down in the comments below as well. And my understanding
is that Abu Baker, in the last week, while reporting
this piece himself, has only had something like three meals.
Like the desperation in northern Gaza is so difficult to conceptualize.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The Palestinian journalists who have been the eyes and ears
of the world for this deserve our defense and our
gratitude forever for being the actual writers of history and
real time, because without them, we would have known very
little about the extent to which the United States and
Israel waged this China Satle war.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, Jeremy, thank you for joining me here.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Thanks Ray,
And we're getting news reports that Hamas leader Yaya Sinwar
may have been killed in an IDEA operation in northern Gaza. Today,
a lot is still unclear, but to unpack what happened,
what we know about what happened so far, and what
this could mean and who ya Ya Sinwar? Was joined
here by my drop site colleague Jeremy Scahill. I'm Ryan Grimm. Jeremy,
(00:22):
thanks for joining us on short notice.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good to be with you, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And so it's eleven thirty Eastern time right now. You may,
as you're watching this, know a little bit more about
this than we do at the moment, but we'll try
to give you the backstory and what this means. So, Jeremy,
I guess, first of all, who is Yaya sin War?
And while you're answering, I'll try to put up one
of the photos that is a suggestive of the fact
(00:48):
that they did indeed kill ya Sinowar.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, I mean, first of all, the caveat here is
that we're what we know about this right now is
entirely coming from the Israeli military and Israeli intelligence. There
have been previous reports indicating that Sinwar was killed or
may have been killed. The same scenario played out with
other senior figures within Hamas, including Mohammed Daif. So, you know,
(01:16):
with the sort of all encompassing caveat that it is,
you know, it's dependent on you know, much clearer evidence.
We can discuss what we know at this point, and
that is that on Wednesday night, apparently there was a
routine patrol in the south of Gaza and there was
some sort of This is all according to the Israelis.
We have to emphasize Hamas as of this moment, has
(01:38):
not put out any statement, but there was some sort
of a routine patrol happening with Israeli occupation forces in
southern Gaza. There's indications that it was either in.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Or I or Rafa I thought northern Gaza. Okay, good, okay, interesting, go.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Ahead, and there was, according to the Israelis, some kind
of a firefight. Initial report was that there was an
RPG fired by the Israeli forces at a building where
there were resistant Palestinian resistance fighters. More recently they've indicated
that it was tank fire that hit the building, and
some of the images that we've seen look like a
(02:13):
heavier ammunition was used because it collapsed part of the
concrete structure onto the individual that they're identifying as Yahya Sinhwar.
And then these soldiers when they went inside, and you
know what they say is that they're always looking for
the Israeli captives that are being held in Gaza. They
came across the bodies of what we understand now three
individuals who we believe are Palestinian resistance fighters, and the
(02:37):
soldiers saw one of them and believed that it was
Yahya Sinwar. He's a very distinct looking guy. The last
image that Israel claimed to that the world has seen
of Sinwar, it was a grainy image that the Israelis released.
They said it was captured from a security camera in
one of the tunnels in southern Gaza. Was a kind
(02:59):
of sigh in rear view of a man walking down
a tunnel with other individuals. But since then we haven't
seen anything, and Sinhwar has only put out a few statements.
You did release a couple of letters to foreign dignitaries
after Ismailhinia, the political leader of Hamas, was assassinated in Tehran,
(03:20):
and Sinhwar was then made the head of both the
military operations on the ground inside of Gaza, the political
leader in Gaza and the head of its political bureau,
which is largely based outside of Gaza. You know, the
story of Yaha Sinhwar in some ways is the story
of what happened to the Palestinians of Gaza. He was
born in a refugee camp in Khanyunis in nineteen sixty
(03:44):
two and he himself was part of the original formation
of Hamas. Soon after Hamas was formed, Yaha Sinhwar was
arrested by Israeli forces and he was accused of of
being a hit man, essentially for this new group that
was emerging that was responsible for taking out collaborators who
(04:07):
were working with the Israelis. They also tried to pin
on him allegations that he was involved with ambushing or
killing Israeli soldiers. But he ends up spending twenty two
years in an Israeli prison, and in fact, Sinhwar was
released in twenty eleven in a exchange deal for the
(04:28):
Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, and you had more than a
thousand Palestinian prisoners released during that deal, and one of
the chief negotiators was Yaja Sinhwaj's brother, Mohammed Sinhwar, who
also is a significant figure in the command structure of
Hamas and certainly in its ground operations over the past year.
(04:49):
So Sinhwar emerges from that prison and becomes quite quickly
a revered political leader of Hamas and ultimately then takes
control of the organization. While Sinwar was in prison, Ryan
he spent his time studying, and he himself has talked
about this and written about this. He spent his time
studying the Israeli state. He read the memoirs of shin Bet,
(05:11):
former shin Bet heads, other Israeli intelligence officials. In fact,
by hand he translated from Hebrew into Arabic these memoirs
and would disseminate them to other political prisoners, Palestinian political prisoners,
you know, arguing that you have to study the enemy
in order to to defeat the enemy.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But the thing I want to emphasize is if Yaija
Sinwar died. A couple of things here. First of all,
the Israelis have often portrayed him, and their political cartoons
show this as kind of a rat hiding in tunnels,
using Israeli captives as human shields, and it appears from
even Israel's own narrative about this alleged killing of Sinwar
(05:53):
that he died in combat wearing combat gear. They said
there was no sign of Israeli captives around fund him,
and already on social media in the Arabic language, you
see a lot of people saying that this this is
a holy shaheed, that this is a martyr who died
fighting for the Palestinian cause of liberation.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And so what would it mean for this, for this
conflict that's ongoing if he was killed.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, remember some months ago there were there was
reporting and it was it was based on leaks coming
out of the Biden administration. Uh that you know that
the Biden administration was dangling what they claimed was valuable
intelligence to help the Israelis locate Yahya Sinhwar. Now, the
US has been providing Israel intelligence on high value so
called high value targets throughout the duration of the past year.
(06:46):
But I think there that what it indicated was not
so much that that the US necessarily knew where Sinowar
was and was withholding that information from Israel, but rather
that I think the Biden administration has felt like if
Yahya sin War was killed, it would allow them to
argue with net Yahoo, you know, the time is up
to say, you know, declare victory and let's wrap this
(07:08):
thing up. Now. We have to emphasize that Biden has
not wrapped this thing up throughout the entire duration. I
think it's pretty clear he could have ended this a
long time ago with a phone call, as he did
in twenty twenty one. They certainly could have said no
more weapons for you, and Israel would have been in very,
very deep trouble, especially as it tried to launch this
multi front war, potentially also with Iran. But I think
(07:31):
that a mistake that that you know, Americans, that America
made during the so called War on Terror, and that
sometimes the you know, the Israeli press and government encourages
this narrative is that by killing leaders, whether it's Hassan
Nasralla of Hesbalah in Lebanon or Ismaelhania, the Hama's political leader,
(07:52):
or in this case, Yakja Sinwar, that by killing the leaders,
you somehow are going to destroy the resistance. And the
fact is that and history backs this up completely, that
every time the Israelis believe that they have achieved some
victory by assassinating a Palestinian leader, more rise up to
take their place. What I think it's indicative of, though, Ryan,
(08:15):
is that Netnyahu from the beginning never actually wanted a
deal here. He sabotaged every possibility of a ceasefire. Excuse
me of a prisoner exchange. You have ten thousand Palestinians
that are right now being held in Israeli custody. You
have high value political prisoners being held in Israeli custody.
If Netanyahu wanted to make a deal to release the
(08:37):
Israeli captives from Gaza, they would have had to give
over not just Palestinian children which they're holding and who
they subject to military tribunals, or people that had posted
WhatsApp or Facebook messages that the Israeli state has outlawed,
but there would have been political figures chief among them.
And number one on the list of Hamas, even though
he's not a HAMAS member, was marwe On Barguti, who
(09:01):
actually emerged as a leader of the Second Palestinian in Tafada,
was part of FATA and then became a paramilitary leader,
and he's been decades in Israeli prison. Some compare him
or say that he's a kin in ways to a
Palestinian Nelson Mandela one of the few figures that many
people believe would have the ability to unite both Gaza
(09:24):
and the West Bank and all of the factions into
a unified Palestinian entity that would make a very clear
demand for a Palestinian state to be recognized. It seems
as though what Netanyahu decided was I'm going to burn
Gaza to the ground. I'm going to kill as many
Palestinians as possible. I'm going to destroy the entire infrastructure
(09:47):
of Gaza, and if it means that, you know, one
hundred plus Israeli captives get killed in the process, it
was a price worth paying. That's what I think really
needs to be emphasized here. This shows that Netanya who
and the Israeli state, the security establishment embraced a scorched
earth policy that was aimed at obliterating Gaza as a
(10:09):
Palestinian territory, and many of the residents of Gaza with it.
So they can say, oh, this is a great victory,
and the watch for the Biden administration also to make
an argument, this means that you've won the war seventy
six years of oppression of apartheid, of colonialism, of targeted killing,
of mass killing, of starvation, of blockades, has shown that
(10:33):
you cannot kill the Palestinian resistance by killing the people
who happened to be the leaders at any given time
in history.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I certainly that theory will be tested at this point
because it seems like net Yahoo has no intention of
letting up. This comes at the same time that Biden,
last question for you here, has issued this very late
ultimatum that puts a thirty day al time, made them
that AID must get into Gaza, that puts it past
(11:04):
the election. Already, I'm getting reports from AID workers saying
that the AID trucks that they're claiming are getting in
aren't actually getting in, and in fact, they're pulling out
vetted drivers from the trucks and beating and arresting the drivers,
doing everything they can to kind of make it look
(11:25):
publicly like they're letting AID in while actually thwarting it
on the ground. So is this all of this just
on hold until the election? You know?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I think it's pretty clear that the Biden administration doesn't
have any intention of actually cutting off weapons to Israel.
The farthest that they're willing to go is to take
you know, in a symbolic way, the most contentious weapon
in the eyes of the US, these two thousand pound
bombs that caused horrifying civilian deaths, and to kind of
(11:59):
temporarily pause them. Let's remember that just in recent days,
the White House authorized the deployment of the THAD missile
system to Israel, supposedly to defend against potential Iranian counter strikes.
One hundred US military personnel went with it. The weapons
(12:20):
flow is continuing. Yes, there's probably a degree to which
this has to do with the election. And you know,
Kamala Harris has given given many opportunities to indicate that
she has any difference of perspective than Biden on this.
She's not only declined to do that, she's doubled down
on saying that she's been in the room and she
supports the policy entirely. I think there are probably many
(12:42):
people in the Biden administration that, for a variety of reasons,
are really fed up with this, and it's totally toxic
to the election campaign of Kamala Harris. But I wouldn't
look for anything significant to happen out of this. I
do think that Biden personally is going to try to
use if Sinwar is confirmed to be dead, is to
try to use this to make an argument that now
(13:03):
is the time for a deal. From Netanyahu's perspective, I
think he says, we don't even need to make a deal.
We can just keep killing through this. And what I
think they're going to hope for is let's try to
recover as many living hostages as possible. He's gambled with
the lives of these Israelis for an entire year. Israeli
forces have killed numerous hostages on their own. This all
(13:24):
could have been done a long long time ago, at
least since July second. This could have been ended in
a very clear way when Hamas told international mediators that
had accepted the terms of the Biden plan. So I
don't think you can you can put any hope that
the Biden administration is going to back up any of
its expressed frustration leaks with real policy, all.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Right, Jeremy Scalhell my co founder over at drop site News.
You can find or work at drop sitews dot com.
I'll also put a link down in the description below
to a twenty percent off discount that we're given for
subscription to Breaking Points viewers to check that out, So Jeremy, but.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Ryan one plug, I think people I want to just
tell people make sure to look at the recent reporting
from Abu Baker Ahbed who is a great young reporter
and Dare Albala, and he just did a report on
the young man. Everyone now has seen the images a Shaban,
the young man who was burned alive in the attack
(14:26):
on al Axa Hospital. But it's a very deep profile
that in many ways speaks to the utter loss that
Israel has imposed on the people of Gaza in every
aspect of their lives. It tells the life and death
of this young man who was still attached to an
IV when Israel struck the courtyard near al Axa Hospital
(14:47):
and caused him and his mother, another family member and
others to catch on fire and at least four people
died in that fire.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's a moving piece, quite moving piece, and I'll put
down in the comments below as well. And my understanding
is that Abu Baker, in the last week, while reporting
this piece himself, has only had something like three meals.
Like the desperation in northern Gaza is so difficult to conceptualize.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The Palestinian journalists who have been the eyes and ears
of the world for this deserve our defense and our
gratitude forever for being the actual writers of history and
real time, because without them, we would have known very
little about the extent to which the United States and
Israel waged this China Satle war.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, Jeremy, thank you for joining me here.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Thanks Ray,
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