Ryan and Emily discuss Trump halting student visas, shots fired at Gaza US aid site, Tim Pool Bill Maher love fest on Israel.
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So we're going to start by talking about this across
the board pause on student FEESUS that Marco, Rubio and
Trump announced yesterday. Then we're going to get into the
horrific debacle yesterday, the predictable debacle that was the attempt
by this Israeli US quote unquote humanitarian organization to deliver aid.
(01:31):
We'll talk about whether or not it was this was
exactly as expected and intended, and what it means going forward.
The images that came out of this are going to
be indelible, I think, an indelible stain on the US
and Israel's approach to the region. Kamala to Palestadians, Kamala
(01:52):
Harris hit the speaking tour, but privately some of it leaked, Yeah, some.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Of it leaked.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Are fun.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
She was at the Australian real Estate conference getting paid presumably,
so we have.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Least no, no, that's a pro bono one for she just
loves the Australian real estate industry.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's a deep passion of hers.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yes, who's not passionate about that.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
We cannot not talk about Jordan Peterson agreeing to be
one Christian debating twenty like twenty year old atheists, perfect
and emerging completely eviscerated.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
But also getting the video title changed. We'll get into
all of it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You've lost a debate so badly they had to change
the video title.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
It goes about as you would expect it to go.
So we will have some really fun clips from that.
And then we're going to be talking about Trump's pardoning
spree over the last couple of days. Not only the
Chrisly family, which was announced yesterday, so Todd and Julie
Christly from the reality show Chrisly Knows Best. Trump said
he was pardoning them yesterday in the Oval Office, but
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a couple of other pretty interesting pardons Ryan just in
recent days, a sheriff and a nursing home executive.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Looks a little suspicious, to say the least.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
And then we're going to be We're going to finish
by interviewing an official from the energy industry, and not
just the clean energy industry.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
This is the dirty energy industry.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Although his company tries to make the dirty the fossil
fuel industry a little bit cleaner. He's going to talk
about the industries to react the energy industry across the
board's reaction to Trump's big brutal bill, big beautiful bill,
whatever you want to call it, brutal, big brutal bill,
because it's not just clean energy that it takes a
sledgehammer to the entire energy production infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Across the board.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Is getting whacked by this bill to the point where
Exon mobil is like, wait a minute, what are you
doing this?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
This is really bad.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And lastly, on that, speaking of the Big Beautiful Bill,
Elon Musk is making an even we'll say harsher break with.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Diversion, the trumpet illustration.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He's going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this week,
and so teasers that have been really least show him
saying that he fleshes out his point about how the
Big Beautiful spending bill undermines Doge. He's recently said he
feels like the Trump administrations or that Doge became the
Trump Administration's whipping boys.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
So we will have some updates on that front as well.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yeah, kind of sad that the moment that Musk says
something decent is also the moment that he's totally lost
all his juice.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
You're about to buy more tuslas again.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, yes, and long testlas all of a sudden.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Well, let's start with the news about student visas. We
can go ahead and rule this first element. Secretary of
State Marco Rubio was in a cabinet meeting with President
Trump yesterday and a cable had leaked saying that the
administration was pausing student visas as it prepared a social
media vetting system. And we've covered news about the social
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media vetting system here. You've probably seen this in the
student visa controversies that you know, the administration was citing
social media posts, but also was citing it's new efforts
to do mass data scrapes for these social media posts.
It appears that this is culminating in what is a
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it's said to be a temporary pause in all student visas.
There are more than a million students on student visas
as of this school year. So here Secretary of State
Rubio explaining the policy yesterday at the White House.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
So when we identify lunatics like these, we take away
their student visa. No one's entitled to a student visa.
The press cover student visas like there's some sort of birthright. Now,
a student visas like me inviting you into my home.
If you come into my home and put all kinds
of crap on my couch, I'm going to kick you
out of my house. And so you know, that's what
we're doing with our country thanks to the President.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
All right, Ryan, So again, more than a million students
that are going to be affected, thirty percent of Harvard roughly.
We have Trump talking about this as well, but we
can put the tear sheet up on before we get
to Trump.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
This is a two an Axios story on.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
The policy, but it is about thirty percent of Harvard students.
Some schools have massive foreign student and populations for reasons
we can get into. They can pay generally full tuition,
so it's helpful on that front. But also we've long
been a magnet, obviously for the world's top talent.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
American higher education has.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now people don't always stay here, but many do and
a lot of you know, great American companies were founded
through people who came here for school and state and
then created some amazing stuff in the United States. Here's
Donald Trump from over the weekend talking about student visas.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
This is a three.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Part of the problem with Harvard is that they're about
thirty one percent, almost thirty one percent of foreigners coming
to Harvard. We give them billions of dollars, which is ridiculous.
We do grants which are probably not going to be
doing much grants anymore to Harvard, but there are thirty
one percent, but they refuse to tell us who the
people are. We want to know who the people. Now,
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a lot of the foreign students we wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Have a problem with.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
I'm not going to have a problem with forign students,
but it shouldn't be thirty one percent. There's too much
because we have Americans that want to go there and
the places, and they can't go there because you get
thirty one percent foreign Now, no foreign government contributes money
to Harvard.
Speaker 9 (07:12):
We do, so why are they doing so many?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Number one?
Speaker 8 (07:15):
Number two, we want a list of those foreign students
and we'll find out whether or not they're okay.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Many will be okay.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
I assume, and I assume with Harvard many will be read.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And lastly, let's past this clip of an international student
at Harvard discussing the climate for international students.
Speaker 10 (07:32):
Right now, there are very few international students who are
even willing to speak to the media who are willing to,
you know, just posted something on social media or participate
at a protest, because we've seen people have had their visas.
We vote for that reason, but also some examples of
students who have been snatched off the street and put
in detention centers in Louisiana. What the Trump administration is
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doing right now is a full scale attack on free
speech in this country, and you know, we simply have
to resist it, and we have to fight it with
whatever it means possible.
Speaker 11 (08:08):
Given that climate that you describe and the persecution of
some universities, would you feel confident would you be allowed
to go on and maybe study a post doctoral at
another university?
Speaker 10 (08:24):
I mean, I honestly don't know. I'm very happy that
I've made a decision to leave the country and that
I don't have to live with this uncertainty, and I
know that's how many international students are feeling right now.
Speaker 11 (08:37):
So what would be your advice for people who might
be watching you were thinking about a degree in the
United States.
Speaker 10 (08:43):
I think it's incredibly hard because I've had such a
great experience here and these have been the best four
years of my life. So it would break my heart
to tell anyone to not apply to Harvard or any
other institution in the US. But frankly, I do understand
that people I think twice about coming here, because why
would you apply to a university in America if you
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don't even know whether you will be able to finish
your degree, if you can't study what you want, if
you can't speak out about political issues because you're afraid
that you might be put in at detention center and deported,
then I truly understand why people are worried.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
So the Trump comments, and that comes from that student,
came in response to, obviously the administration's decision to prevent
Harvard from accepting foreign students period that happened.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
We covered that on last Friday Show.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
But that was a decision that came last week from
Christy Nome technically because DHS oversees a vetting process and
they say Harvard is not complying with the vetting process,
and then made a list of pretty wild demands, intentionally
wild demands that Harvard wouldn't be able to meet about
foreign students, and Harvard obtained a restraining order in court
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shortly after the administration came down with that decision.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So Ryan. Right now, we don't have a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Of details about what this would look like, but it
almost certainly is about Israel, because that's everything I've seen
so far, the vetting Rubio.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Rubio was putting it in the same framework. Yes that look,
it's a privilege to come here as a student. But
basically he's saying, if you're going to protest Israel and
we don't want then we don't want you in the
in the country. Now that the thing he said right
after that clip, He's like, like my wife and I
want to announce something. What he says is he's just
so proud that University of Florida's basketball team won a championship.
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Two of their five starters are on student visas, one
from Nigeria, one from Australia. The Australian is it's pulled
himself out of the NBA Draft. It's going to look
Alex Connon is going to go back to Florida, he said,
Now maybe he won't. He's all right, forget it. I
guess I'm going to go mail. I'll play in the NBA.
If I'm not welcome here, I guess I'll go play
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in another professional basketball league.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Somewhere else and make much less money though.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Either that all of the athletes first and be like
green light, you guys are fine, or they will just
not even ever look at the athletes social media.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Okay, Well, joe El Embiid, you know he's you know,
he's from Africa at some French citizenship. The French wanted
him to play the Olympics for them, but he wouldn't
because he didn't like France's kind of colonial approach to Africa?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Are we okay with that? Like tell us what tell
us what you're allowed to say about foreign countries?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
And we have no idea how they are.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
You can criticize France, right, I assume, oh, they're a
very close ally of ours. But you so you can
just make a list what are the countries you can't
criticize because you can criticize the United States?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
That's okay? Is and it is it Israel and d
or is it just Israel?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Why don't we have Israel do the vetting?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Like why are US taxpayers funding all of the kind
of social media research to find out if these seventeen
year old said anything positive about Palestinians When it's for
the benefit of Israel. Israel has all of this cyber tech.
Just let just let Israel run our state department and
run our DHS, like, and they can tell us who's
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allowed to come in the country. Like, why are we
paying for that? It's we send them. We'll send them
money anyway, So I guess we're still paying for it.
Never mind, I thought I was trying to help us.
I can't figure it out.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It's like in theory, I actually am not at all
opposed the idea.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I mean, so what this is of the US vetting
its students based on what they think about Israel.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
No, I'm very opposed to that.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm not no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
In theory, I'm not opposed to the idea of saying, okay,
we should have a social media check of whether or
not people are openly saying like Chrystal and I interviewed
this guy, Mama Dutal from Ornell and if he went
and went back and looked at his social media as
he was applying, he was talking about how awful the
American Empire is, et cetera, et cetera. And but fine,
that's a perfectly fair free speech argument to make. But
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is that someone you prioritize over another person who maybe actually.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Loves the United States, wants the United States to.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Be better and is like deeply passionate about are a
lot of people like that, and a lot of them
come over on student feesas and have great lives and
productive lives in the United States of America and do
make the country better. So I don't I'm not like
in theory a posts. So maybe we should be checking
what people who have social media are saying in the context.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But what we have zero idea.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
From the State Department right now about what they're looking for.
And our best guest, our best guest, based on the
framing that Secretary Rubio adopted, as you said there, Ryan,
and how they've been doing this so far, is that
they're looking for op eds like the mesa Os turks
op ed for the tough student newspaper that was promoting
a BDS policy at.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Her school which passed like the Senate.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
It was so Romesa wrote was one of four authors
supporting a Senate campus Senate resolution that said something about Israel,
which passed like And I don't know if you've ever
been involved with like student governance like to get some like, yeah,
they're to the left of the average, like town council.
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But to get them all together to agree to a resolution,
it's not going to be like fire and brimstone. And
so she was the op ed that she got jailed
for passed the student Senate. It passed anyway, completely ridiculous.
So what else on this, Well, we don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
That's the other thing is we don't know how temporary
the pause is because as we're sitting here right now,
this could apply to millions of people for years to come.
It could last a month, and that's the thing with
the Trump administration. It could last a month, and it
could be screening for like in theory, it could last
a month, and it could be screening for genuine terrorists
or loss sympathety, yeah, which they should be doing. Or
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or it could be treating people like the administration treated
is osterk And we really don't know, and it could
be doing that indefinitely because right now it's his temporary pause.
So this could mean the next three years of the
Trump administration there's a de facto ban on student.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Visas, or it could mean a month from now.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
They have their social media policies in place, and they're
stringently applying them and you know, screening for people who
are pro Palestine, but it's not a de facto ban
for the next three years. It's hard to say, but
given how they've handled cases like Ousters, they.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Don't really get the benefit of the doubt on them.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Let's take Trump's argument, and this might be something that
we disagree on. You know, he says the problem here
is that you know, the taxpayers fund these universities, and
the American taxpayers then aren't able to benefit fully from
these universities because they are taking in x percentage of
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What I would say is, you know a couple things
on this. First, if his issue is actually accessed to
colleges and universities. One, something like more than a dozen
colleges and universities went under last year and the year before,
and we're in a crisis of colleges and universities going under,
like they're going bankrupt, so there's fewer places for people
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to go.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Your alma mater struggles with that.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Saint Mary's College of Maryland, they're doing okay. I mean,
they're a state school. A lot of the it's more
private universities like the smaller private universities are going.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Under even state schools are having enrollment.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yes, and there's an enrollment problem because of birth rates
like there was, there's a baby bust that is now
starting to move in to university.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So it's it's causing a huge problem for them.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
And now you're going to say that, let's say foreign
students can't come either. On the question of the taxpayer funding, yes,
like taxpayers are funding these colleges and universities.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Harvard gets a lot of money.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
The money that the Trump administration is cutting off from
Harvard is specifically earmarked for grants and research because it
is one of the great research universities in the history
of the world, four hundred year old university. It produces
research in all varieties of fields that is then beneficial
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to the entire world. So it's not that we are
subsidizing the foreign students tuition.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
It's the opposite.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
The foreign students, for the most part, are coming with
grants from their home countries. So it's not true that
no foreign countries are funding Harvard, because there are grants coming.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
From these subsidizing tuition.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Subsidizing tuition here, or these are the wealthier kids from
around the world.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Who are paying the sticker price at Harvard.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Which is often not meritocratic to be fair, I mean,
a lot of those kids are buying their way into this.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Same with the American kids who get yeah there.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
But it does undermine the argument that everyone who's coming
from and I just said this because I do believe
this to be true, but that we're a magnet for
the top, top, top talent. Sometimes there are foreign students
who are buying their seats at these universities too.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Right, But that's our system.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
We are not a meritocracy, like we are a place
where you can buy your way to the top.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Although we're more of a meritography. We can say we're
a meritocracy. I mean it's it's a lot worse elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Maybe in any event, they're they're not morods, Like you
have to pass a certain threshold and lots of these
lots of people passed a certain threshold. And then yeah,
a lot of these foreign students are are they're gonna
they're gonna pay the full freight, They're going to subsidize it.
So I would also let's say, let's take Disney World,
for example, gets enormous amounts of tax paramoney enormous. In fact,
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De Santas tried to take someone look what happened to him.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
That's right, Yeah, we actually he won that the Ready
Creek thing, and.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Not really and they still get enormous amounts of tax breaks.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
When you go to disney World or Disneyland, you're going
to see enormous numbers of foreigners there. It is annoying
to stand in long lines and a lot of the
people in front of you in the line are foreign.
So wouldn't it make just as much sense, by which
I mean zero sense at all for Donald Trump to
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say Americans pay to support disney World and so therefore
Americans should be the only ones that get to go
to Disney World. That's where his logic takes you. And
you might be watching this and be like, yeah, that's fair,
I agree with it. If so, you are a moron
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like that's crazy, because what you are saying is that
we should not be a great country. We should not
be a country that people want to come to. We
should be a country where if you're a very good
basketball player, you hope that you get recruited and go
to Lithuania rather than being a great Lithuanian player and
get recruited and come to the United States. You are
welcome to be one of those countries. You can be
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an average or below average country where people want to leave.
That's a choice that is available to the United States,
which is currently heading towards that on purpose. So congratulations,
you can have shorter lines at Disney World. But just
play that out. What's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
So maybe we do disagree a little bit because I
think there's a long overdue renegotiation of the relationship between
the federal government and higher education. And maybe this is
actually more of a middle ground than a disagreement, because
I don't agree with all the particulars of how it
could play out. I don't know how they actually intend
to play it out. And that's a problem with a
lot of their policies, is that they're intentionally messing around.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Like yeah, And the thing that makes me angry is
that they have me sitting here defending Harvard. Like if
they want to take three billion dollars away from Harvard
for its research grants and give it to the fifty
state schools, like the flagship states schools around the country,
be my guest, please do that would be amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You know, screw Harvard. I'm not here defending Harvard.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
The idea that you're going to take that money out
and then you're going to do a seven point five
trillion dollar tax cut for the rich like that is suicidal.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Well, they're also doing endowment taxes that have higher education
freaked out.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
So Harvard is.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
A fifty billion dollar endowment and their money is absolutely fungible.
And I do think that a lot of these schools
coast off. The largest of.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Taxing dollary gives the University of Michigan, Wisconsin, tradeskab College
of Maryland.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're right with the trade schools.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, which is something that Trump sort of was
trolling with Harvard as well.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
But to destroy Harvard just so you can do tax
cuts is suicidal. Or just to destroy it just to
destroy it for the sake of Israeli uh propaganda.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Hell right, for the sake of like our Middle East policy,
whatever that is according to them and according to him
ever takes over. By the way, which is part of
the that the Obama administration was seen as egregeous by
conservatives is that they were using the strings attached to
federal funding to coerce different policies out of Title nine.
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And it was just happened in dear colleague letters, so
like little missives from the Secretary of Education that could
be fired off at a moment's notice, And Conservatives were
really opposed to doing that because it was this expansion
of Title nine policy from Washington, DC that affected every
different school. So I think there's some of that to
be opposed to and to not have double standards. I
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think absolutely there's some of that going on here. I do, though,
generally think some of this money is the same way
I feel about a lot of the cabinet agencies. I
do think if you're there are strings attached to public money.
And I don't have a problem with the duly elected
president and his administration saying that there are strings attached
to the money. But they should also realize that it's
a mutually beneficial arrangement for a reason. And the mutually
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beneficial part of that still Harvard acting badly doesn't mean
the entire arrangement is a disaster in and of itself.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And what's their big complaint that they did that they
didn't arrest more student protesters.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I mean not that it depends on your four hundred
year old university, right, It.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Depends on who you're talking to. I mean, if you're
talking to Alan Dershowitz, that's probably it.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
If they did a three hundred page report, there was
somebody who said that, you know, once they were posting
on Instagram that they were supportive of Israel, some of
their friends ghosted them like that, like that that type
of complaint and that literal complaint like made it into
this like report on anti Semitism. And so if we
just pull enough research grants from Harvard, like we will
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you know, pressure people to go on walks with their
friends who support genocide. Like like, hey, look, you said
you would go on a walk Tuesday morning, and I
showed up. You weren't even there. I just had to
walk by myself.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I think it.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Depends what you're talking to. For some people, they would
basically be in that camp as.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
You just spont to whoever you ghosted your friends, Now
you destroyed Harvard, well done.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
All you had to do was just like not talk
about the genocide.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
On the other hand, that's.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
What they were trying to do, by the way, just
not talking with the genocide bid, like just being like,
you know what, this is your thing. You support this,
I don't, So let's just not be friends. That is
apparently bigotry. I mean that needs the state to intervene.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, well, I mean I could go to well.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Trump will not countenance such ghosting.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
He would never treat a friend.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
No, he would not.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
But it depends what you're talking to you.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
If you're talking to some people, then yes they would
say something along those lines. You're talking to other people,
they would cite Aaron Sibarium's, you know, a couple of
year record of excellent reporting on how Harvard's DEI policies
have genuinely eroded what was already in a roded system
of meritocracy at Harvard.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
And there's some really legitimate stuff to.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Take issue with their This is if this is the
pressure campaign lasts for a week, then it lasts for
a week. If this lasts for three years and is
an indefinite pause on student visas not just at Harvard
but basically everywhere, I mean legally, except.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Just replacing DEI with one marginalized group, yes, supporters of Israel,
not even Jewish students. Because if you're a Jewish student
who opposes the genocide, then you are bad and big
at it at.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
H the only so it's de i.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
But for supporters of Israel, unapologetic supporters of.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Israel, we'll see how it's implemented.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Many such cases, as Donald Trump would say about his
early policies. In fact, a Financial Times columnist, did you
see this coin to the term taco. Trump always chickens
out on on tariffs, and it's just these policies. It's
the Jackson Pollock approach to guidence. You just actually he's
making this, you know, mess and hoping that it turns
(25:54):
out right.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
This briefing that Rubio or Rubio is going on about
this coming as Trump was chickening out on European.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Literally yes, in the middle of the cabinet meeting where he.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Backed off the fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Ran.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Let's move on to Gaza. A lot of updates from
the Middle East. Let's start by playing b One and Ryan.
Maybe you can describe a little bit of what we're
seeing on the screen.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, So this organization absurdly named the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,
which is which according to the Arii Lipede. You know,
foreign Prime Minister of Israel is funded by Israel. It's
a kind of a joint the US Israeli organization which
is trying to supplant Unrede, the World Food Program and
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all the other humanitarian aid organizations that bring in assistance.
What they did is they flipped delivery of humanitarian aid
on its head, like the way that the established organizations
do it to make sure that they don't get food
riots is that you need to kind of you need
to flood the area with aid, and you need to
(27:04):
have it decentralized at lots of different places, and you
need to have it near where people are so that
it's as convenient as possible and you have as short
lines as possible, because you don't want hundreds or thousands
or tens of thousands.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Is definitely not hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Of people who are haven't eaten for long stort and
an had a good meal probably in twenty months. You
don't want them all congregating around this one particular area.
But the GHF is not designed to efficiently distribute humanitarian aid.
Its design is explicitly for depopulating Northern Gaza. Like Yahoo
(27:46):
has set out loud that the goal of this organization
is to entice Palestinians into the south of Gaza into
particular areas where they have to then present their ideas
and lead their homes, at which point they will not
be allowed to return to their homes. Like he has
said this out loud, this is not leaked audio. Like
(28:08):
he's been very clear that that's the goal of this.
So therefore they set up just four distribution centers for
two million people who haven't you know, had aid distributed
since March second, and they set up you saw that.
You saw that zigzag barbed wire fence.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
They set that.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
They set that like corral up as as their way
because they understood that there would be large desperate crowds there.
Of course, that did not hold people back. People had
to walk ten fifteen kilometers to get to this place
as well, which immediately means who are you going to
get like the people who are in the best possible shape,
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not great shape, but the best possible shape. If you're
desperately malnourished, you can't walk fifteen kilometers through the sun
to get to this place. And so then so the
desert people broke through the fence. Apache hell, as you
saw in the video, there a patchy helicopters.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Like start firing on the crowd.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Nobody was killed, thankfully, but it was it was a
complete catastrophe.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Then what people got.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Were these little boxes that had flour, dried pasta, and
some dried beans.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Now think about that.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
What it's better than having nothing in your hands, but
what do you need to take that to something edible
like water and an energy source which you're also extremely
hard to come by. Deliberately so, humanitarian aid organizations were
saying this is deeply inappropriate, Like this is not the
thing you would give to malnourished people. First of all,
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it's not the kind of nourishment that you need. Like
there are very particular types of food packages that you
could give to people who haven't had a decent meal
for two months and that that need to recover their
health a little bit pasta, beans and rice and like that.
That's that's not it. And you don't want to give
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somebody something that needs to be cooked with clean water
and heat if they don't have clean water and heat.
Of course, though that that assumes that any of this
is on the up and up, which they have acknowledged
it is not. It is about at the cleansing is
about It's about deepop It's about depopulism. Depopulation, uh, the
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other concern that Palestinians had and which was born out immediately.
It is reported by my colleague Jeremy Scalhegn put this
third element up on the screen. This is a statement
from Aamawi who from the Gaza relief committees where he's
if if you're watching this, you can pause and read it.
But basically what he's describing is that is is the situation,
(30:48):
uh that I just described. Amawi also reported and these
are the details of it. Amawi also reported that there
are reports of people and they were directly involved with this,
who went to get.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
The aid, you know, to give their idea run.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Their name gets run through there and the guy gets snatched.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
A family then gets a phone call.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
From this guy saying I've been snatched. They they want
me to ask you. This is so now we're two
degrees of separation away. They want me to ask you
about this other person that they're asking about that's a
member of this other families you know out outer orbit,
they said, and they say, and they tell them like,
we haven't seen this guy since the beginning of this war.
(31:36):
Now Presumably this is somebody that Israel's looking for. Presume
like let's say somebody in Hamas or a fighter or
some other resistance group. Like that's the assumption, because you know,
you can't find the guy, you ask his relatives, can't
find the relatives, you ask the relatives friends, and then
so there, so they snatched the guy, extored him, uh,
(31:58):
just to try to find somebody three or four degrees
removed from him.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And he's like, that's all I can do.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Like they said, they haven't seen him, you know, in
this long and they're on the phone with him. They're like, Okay,
come with us, and they just arrest him and detain.
You know, we don't know if he's still alive. We
don't know if he if he's if he's been tortured,
or what kind of abuse he's suffered at their hands.
And this is violates one of the top principles of
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a humanitarian aid organization, which is neutrality, that the aid
is not a weapon in pursuit of like Hamas figures
who are three or four degrees connected.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I don't know, I don't know who they were looking for.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
We don't know, but let's assume it was that like,
that's not what an aid organization is supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And so this has exploded predictably into an international controversy.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Ongoing international controversy. Let's roll. I'm going to skip ahead
here to be five.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
This is a clip of Press Secretary for the State's Department,
Tammy Bruce, responding to questions yesterday.
Speaker 12 (33:00):
The world has been shocked by what's happened in Gaza
over the past few days.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The silhouette of the little girl.
Speaker 13 (33:04):
Well, I said, it's been obviously, it's been shocked over
generations about what you absolutely and that Jamas certainly is
refused to stop that violence.
Speaker 14 (33:13):
But go ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:14):
So but just in the past few days, we've seen
the silhouette of a little girl trying to flee burning
classrooms surrounding her, killing people around her. We've seen thousands
of Palestinians starved by Israel's blockade, heard it between fences
as they try to get fed. Today thousand excuse me,
a doctor who'saw nine of her children killed by Israeli bombs.
(33:35):
All the while this administration, of course, as we've has
talked to deport students who protest this, including one student
who wrote.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
An op ed against this kind of behavior.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
The administration came in telling Americans it would be more
pro peice, more anti war.
Speaker 14 (33:46):
And this is beginning to sound like a soliloquy. Sir,
do you have a question, please please, I'm curious.
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Yes, I have this very serious issue, and everyone has
your question.
Speaker 14 (33:55):
Yes, yes, I ask it.
Speaker 12 (33:57):
I wonder how you see this administration being more pro
piece or more anti war than the previous administration given
these kinds of horrors that Americans are witnessing.
Speaker 13 (34:06):
Yes, well, you know it is a dynamic. Whereas I
also just mentioned a little bit ago, we did achieve
a ceasefire, something which nobody thought would be possible after
the heinousness of October seventh, the nature of what had
occurred on that day, the fact that there has to
be a new way. The President has stated, we have
(34:26):
to have new ideas to make a difference so this
stops and doesn't go from generation to generation. What we've
got here is, after I don't know what has it
been three months a bit over one hundred days of
President Trump managing to get I think every warring party,
every hostile party against other people on this planet to
a table to stop now that's the simple part. Making
(34:50):
things happen and making it last is another thing.
Speaker 14 (34:53):
Hamas.
Speaker 13 (34:54):
We did have a ceasefire, and then Hamas decided once
again that that was just not going to do and
they can and you to do what they do.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Ran, I think you wanted to toss to another club.
Speaker 15 (35:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Well, Andrew Mitchell lacing it up has been going to
the State Department press briefings, she asked. She asked a
question about this aid delivery mechanism as well, like why
are you using this when you've got Sidney McCain for
the World Froot program doing, You've got the un You've
got plenty of people who could do this. Why are you, like,
what are you even doing here? And she elicited a
(35:27):
fascinating response from Tammy Brucelett.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
We can roll B six B here.
Speaker 13 (35:32):
There's certainly and this is something the world is watching,
something we've all cared about getting resolved. It is not
an uncomplicated situation. This is, however, the first delivery of
major aid, if not the only aid we've been hearing
for months.
Speaker 14 (35:49):
I wish that Cindy McCain had spoken up that.
Speaker 13 (35:52):
They had found a way to move food into gossip
because that certainly hadn't been conveyed to us.
Speaker 14 (35:57):
But now, which if that's the case, that's great.
Speaker 13 (36:00):
What I do know is that the people on the
ground now as we're as the number I told you
I think is rather significant, four hundred and.
Speaker 14 (36:07):
Sixty two thousand meals. That's what we're focused on.
Speaker 13 (36:12):
And this is and I'm not going to address either
gossip or complaints or people who knew or weren't included
or would do it a different way, or.
Speaker 14 (36:21):
Who's shooting at whom that Hamah, It's not the real
story here. The story is that aid.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
And food is moving into Gaza at a massive scale.
At this point when you're looking at eight thousand food boxes,
was this going to be like going.
Speaker 14 (36:39):
To the mall or through a drive through?
Speaker 5 (36:41):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 13 (36:42):
This is a complicated environment and the story is the
fact that it's working. I find it difficult that there
are people who would go on television shows to complain
about a process that is working and moving food into
the area.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
So the idea that it was a mystery that the
World Program had found a way into get to get
food into gas is absurd. Like the everybody has been
witnessing that for up until March.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Second, when it Israel blocked it.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
The argument that Israel makes publicly is that, well, Hamas
is stealing the aid. The whole reason that we have
to blow up the entire system of humanitarian aid delivery
and GAZ is that Hamas was stealing it. And we
have no obligation to give aid to Hamas just to
use against us and sell on the black market. So
(37:34):
that's that's the argument they make publicly. So let's let
David Saderfield respond to that. So David Satterfield was the
Biden administration official who was responsible for humanitarian overseeing humanitarian
aid and negotiating negotiating with the Israelis over that. According
to people in the State Department that I talked to,
like Satterfield almost never pushed back on the Israelis, Like
(37:58):
he was a very very sympathetic figure. In two thousand
and five, then you guys can google this, U Sadderfield
wasn't was listed in an indictment for leaking this is
under the Bush administration for leaking classified information to a
(38:19):
pack and two and to uh you can look it
up like to this. Then a Pack was linked up
with Israel, so it wasn't just to a pack, but
it was classified information. Uh so this is now. He
was never officially charged, he was never charged, and he
did and he defended. He said what I what I
did was above board and it was not a crime.
(38:42):
The point here this is somebody who is close enough
to Israel that it was listed in a two thousand
and five indictment for having leaked classified information to Israel.
So this is not something In other words, this is
not a Hamas sympathizer. This is not even one of
these eight department officials who you'd call like an arabist,
(39:02):
which are mostly all gone from the State Department. So
that's the context I want you to have when you
listen to Sadderfield get asked the question is Hamas? Is
there any evidence that Hamas is stealing the AID? So
let's roll B six.
Speaker 16 (39:20):
Hamas was stealing, profiting and diverting the majority of the
AID that was coming in. That that is Israel's claim.
How do you respond to that?
Speaker 9 (39:35):
No such allegation or evidence in support of allegations like
that were ever provided privately by informed Israeli security or
political officials. It is a claim which on the face
of it is not reflected in any of the experience
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that those involved in the humanitarian effort have seen. Did
ham US benefit politically from its presence at distribution sites
to reinforce to the population of Gaza that they remained
effective and in place. Certainly they did. Did HAMAS take
some assistance, quite likely, but from the UN and INGO channels,
(40:19):
which were highly accountable. Whatever aid was ultimately diverted in
any fashion by Hamas was minimal compared to the aid
that was received by the general population. Now, the same
can't be said about aid that came in outside UN
or international NGO channels. That's a different matter. In Israel
(40:41):
understands that. But we're speaking now of the UN. The
allegations that the majority I've heard some claims all of
the assistants was seized by Hamas. That has never been
made privately to officials involved in this process, nor demonstrated
through evidence.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
What's so fascinating to me about that answer is he's
not saying they never provided evidence that Hamas was stealing
the aid privately. They never even made that claim. In
other words, they know it's not true. They say it
publicly because idiots on X will repeat it. But privately
(41:22):
when they're talking to other state department officials in their
counterparts in the in the like relief world. They don't
even claim it, let alone provide evidence for it.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Well, I thought it was helpful nuance when he said,
because he himself wasn't saying that no AID has ever
been diverted or sure like Hamas just executed four people
under the like Reuter says, this st this morning, and
they did it a few weeks ago as well, for
diverting AID, right, which is like, that's what.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Israel backed gangs that are like looting drugs and then
Hamas is going back after them.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, it's quite an upside out.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
World, but it's helpful nuance of what he's saying is
that it's minimal whatever is being diverted.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Like.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
The Hamas has tens of thousands of fighters.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
People are starving in the last nineteen months, those fighters
have eaten yep, some with some of that food that
came in.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, of course, no doubt like he's saying.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
Yeah, But the the accusation made broadly is that they
take the aid, they take it all, and then they
sell it back into the black market at exorbitant prices
and then they use that money to then fund their
war effort.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Where what are they buying?
Speaker 6 (42:29):
Like there are no weapons getting in, Like they make
all their own weapons underground. So like the even even
that argument falls apart, because what are you gonna do
with cash? Like when you're in a full blockade, Like
a lot of reporters and gaza who have been able
to freelance for international organizations and have like decent amounts
of money in their bank account, it's like it's it's
(42:50):
like ash in their hands. It's like you can't there's
nothing to buy. So setting that all aside, Yes, have
they eaten some of the foods come in, Yeah, I
mean they've eaten like the human beings. But yeah, so anyway,
that like that, if you wanted to know how serious
Israel is about that allegation, they never made it privately.
And that's according to Sadderfield, who was literally an unindicted
(43:15):
co conspirator in a Israel conspiracy in two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
And we can also roll this this clip of the
little girl that was being referenced in the question to Bruce.
This is really difficult to watch, but we can roll
this is before Yeah, you can see this on your screen, right,
do you know where this is around?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
And one of these girls, I'm not sure exactly where,
but one of these girls, one of the girls lived
and is in the hospital. Her entire family there, she is,
her entire family. This is at a school wiped out.
And it's just another horrific atrocity in an ongoing series
of atrocities.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
And this is what you know.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Netanyahu was pushing against the ceasefire to be able to
continue doing this.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
And I want to rule both B two as well.
Speaker 12 (44:03):
Run.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
These are the mercenaries. This is what you're going to
see on the screen. And you'll hear.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
This a little bit are So this is from Mohammad
Shahada who says those are the American mercenaries running GHF's
quote unquote AID concentration camp in Rafa.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
One of them speaks in an Iraqi dialect.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Most of them served in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of
them with the infamous Blackwater. They each get paid over
thirty three thousand dollars per month.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
The second clip here, what you're seeing are is.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
This even an authentic clip? I've seen this one going around, Yeah,
go ahead, it.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
Was as Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
So this is from Cassi Akiva, who's at the Daily
Wire so obviously enormously pro is a real popular or
population outlet, sours that one of the Gaza distribution sites
tells me that Hamas set up a roadblock to prevent
Gosins from getting aged. She said, they broke through it
and we're shouting thank you America.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Upon reaching the site.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I'mas put out a stavement saying that that's absurd, Like
they did not put up any checkpoints.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
They would be bombed, Like if they did that, Like.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
That's just yeah, that's just there's just no way that's
true that they set up checkpoints to block people from
going there. A that would turn the population completely against them.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
They're starting turning against them.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
Right, but completely Like Okay, so now there's eight here.
I can't get through because the mass is blocking me. A.
That's why they wouldn't have be If a moss is
out in the open like that in southern Gaza, surrounded
by Israeli military, they would bomb them.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I just also wanted to quickly touch on one of
the interesting points from Tammy Bruce. You mentioned that her
answer was pretty interesting in response to Andrew Mitchell. I
thought her other answer was pretty interesting as well that
we played because when pressed on this question of how
is the Trump administration the pro piece more pro peace
than the administration before it, she pointed at the ceasefire
(45:53):
and she did reference the kind of conscience shocking images
coming out of Gaza in the last few days. And
that's where this is for the Trump administration. I think
going to culminate in something with Trump maybe wit Coough
as well, where they ultimately just have to make a
(46:15):
decision and Yahoo, and I think that's coming up in
the next couple of weeks. Is it is it Yahoo
or is it your your new what does it? What
did he say during the campaign he was president of peace, right, like,
do you want to you have to at a certain point,
as this is coming to a head, make that decision.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Quicker than that, because yeah, this is this is moving
so fast a Gaza city by the way.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And they're coasting right now, you know, they're they're sort
of coasting on this feud back and forth in the press,
like the leaks to Barack revive that harken back to
the Biden administration about how Trump is frustrated and Trump
probably is genuinely frustrated with net Yahoo, but that it
it feels like it's coming to a sort of Manichean
with me or against me choice in the days ahead.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
Yeah, and the New York Times reporting that Nanya Who's
still agitating to bomb Yeah Aron right while the negotiations
are ongoing, that it led to a tense phone call
between Trump and Manya who that has echoes of the.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Biden administration too. Bbe stop Boebe stop n Yahoo.
Speaker 6 (47:21):
Get getting a tongue lashing from angry presidents of the
United States, and you had continue to do exactly as
as he pleases with US weapons and funding.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Let's move on to this conversation between Timpoole and Bill
Maher on a recent edition of Club Random. We have
another interesting Tempoole clip versus Adam Conover that will roll
right afterwards, but let's start here with B seven.
Speaker 15 (47:46):
That's one of the main reasons why the far left
started to really hate me is because I call out
Islam as what it is extremely illiberal. That's what's what's
so ironic about liberals being so supportive of hamas is
because you're liberals and these are the people. I'm sorry,
but this ideology Islam, even in its more benign forms. Yes,
(48:10):
I agree most the vast majority of Muslims not terrorists,
of course, but Islamists, which is the word we used
to describe people who are not terrorists but kind of
agree with the things terrorists are doing and are for.
That's a much higher number. That's many millions of people,
and even the rank and file. I mean, most Muslim
(48:33):
societies live under some form of Sharia law, which no
Westerner who thinks that Tamas is so great could ever
live under your fundamental rights that you take for granted
here in America. You would not have, you know, I mean,
all the protesters who are protesting in Gaza against Tamas,
(48:53):
they've all been killed. They killed protesters women. I mean,
do I have to say anything more than just just
if it was just that issue how women are treated?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 17 (49:05):
And the narrative is when I talk to some of
these academics, like the anti wokee people that are like, well,
it's because they say that, you know, Gaza is oppressed,
and I'm like sure, but they're siding with the second
biggest religion in the world, which is authoritarian, fundamentalist. And
I don't care if you practice whatever religion you want
to practice. It's fine, but it's strange to me to
(49:26):
claim that Islam is oppressed in any meaningful way.
Speaker 15 (49:29):
Well, I do care what you practice, and I fully
defend to the death your right to practice whatever religion
you want. Just don't lie to me and say all
religions are alike. All religions are not alike, and what
makes them different mostly is how fundamentalist they are.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (49:47):
Fundamentalist means you actually believe what's in the Holy Book.
I mean, there's the Quran, there's the Bible, and they're
both full of nonsense. But we have learned to wink
at the Bible in the way.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
So timpoole going on this very bizarre Bill mahershow and knowing,
oh yeah, Bill Mars, Bill Mahers like this. He's proudly
Islama focally, he really really hates Islam.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
He hates all religions.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
Yeah, but he really really hates Islam. If people are
curious about his history and his kind of take on
fundamentalist Islam, should google Islamic Renaissance or Islamic Golden Age.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Just go go do the Wikipedia on that.
Speaker 6 (50:32):
It's just it's just not the case that there's anything
inherently backwards about Islam, like and go go While you're
going through that, then just just jump over to like
the Christianity and Catholicism Wikipedia page and check how things
were going during that period of time.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
You and I gonna have to smoke a blunt on
club random and hash this out.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
I don't think anybody would debate that.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
I think the best argument would be, well that you know,
you have to go back to the that was only
five hundred years. It was this first five hundred years
is pretty It's pretty I wan't.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Say the first five hundred years there was a pretty
violent period at the inception of Islam.
Speaker 6 (51:09):
Fortunately, no other religion has been linked to any violence around.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
The world, so yeah, they're really rarely over.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
So what is interesting about that is even if I
disagree with you on that point, I also completely disagree,
and I think a lot of people increasingly disagree with
Bill Maher that there was this neo conservative and I
know he's not technically a neocon, but there was a
neo conservative linking intentionally after nine to eleven of political
Islam fundamentalist Islam with this particular conflict as though because
(51:42):
there are radical there's political.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Radicalism in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
That that necessity that necessitates a policy that is pro
Israel no matter what Israel wants to do, whenever Israel
wants to do it, and that conflation is absurd and
I feel like it's falling apart. The sort of construction
that gave that created public support for policies predicated on
that as falling apart right now, it's fallen apart since
(52:12):
you know, after October seventh.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
Yeah, I would, I would just say this, like the
Islamism that he's talking about is a fairly recent innovation,
like to talk about last hundred years, and like a
kind of reaction in some.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Quarters to modernity, but.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Actually also partially a reaction to the policy of Palestine.
The policy towards from the West towards Palestine after World War.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Two predates that a little bit. But yeah, it does.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
But it's definitely and all that. Yeah, yeah, I mean
it's not irrelevant.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
And in the with the collapse of kind of pan
Arab socialism, why.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Does Iron support Hamas to some extent, because it's an
extremely important question for a lot of fundamentalists, So it's
it's not irrelevant. And actually you can make the argument
that continuing sort of blanket check policy towards Israel actually
makes the problem worse.
Speaker 6 (53:04):
Although yeah, Iron supported the resistance from the beginning of
the revolution in seventy nine, and Amasa doesn't come around
until like the nineties or whatever.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
In seventy nine, but that's after the creation of modern Israel.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
It's it's like.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
That's since like that that has been baked into it
for since the creation of Israel.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
And so watching pool, he doesn't, I don't.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
I don't quite understand what's up with this guy's guy
was taking money literally from Russia.
Speaker 5 (53:33):
Right unknowingly, but yeah, alleged.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
I mean, I think it's actually it's it's a crazy story.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
He's taking he's taking money.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
Whether he knew it was from Russia or not, he
knew it was money, and it was to influence his
editorial content.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yes, absolutely, that is so that aside.
Speaker 6 (53:53):
Here here he is talking to Adam Connover with one
of the most hair brain things I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
This is incredible.
Speaker 18 (53:58):
And then she's being like four simply deported. Do you
think that's good for America? Like this is okay? So
you know, marginally you think, what do you what do
you think is good, even marginally, Like, what's the what's
the minor small benefit to America?
Speaker 17 (54:12):
Do not our country and rally against it and its
interests to you?
Speaker 18 (54:18):
So what is the what is the US interest that
her writing an op ed the Suez Canal?
Speaker 17 (54:27):
The United States?
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Uh?
Speaker 17 (54:29):
The reason why the US is so I love these
zi Jews, people that are like.
Speaker 9 (54:34):
Israel controls the forum of Pulzy.
Speaker 5 (54:35):
Oh, shut up.
Speaker 17 (54:36):
The US interest in is with Israel, Egypt and Saudi
Arabia has a lot to do with like the Red
Sea and the Suez Canal. This is why Donald Trump
is obsessed with Panama and Greenland. He wants to control
the global trade routes. Is what America's largely done.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
This is that.
Speaker 17 (54:49):
That's why I say it's it's it's it's a It's
a gross mischaracterization to claim that an op ed is
a threat to national security in that it is in
the smallest of senses, students coming here and telling us
to oppose our support with Israel puts it puts us
at risk in terms of the sentiment of a younger
generation as to whether or not we'll fund Israel and
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control the Suez Canal.
Speaker 18 (55:13):
But I asked you if you thought it was good
to deport her as a marginally all right.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
So Suez Canal, that's my new anytime you say something,
you asked me a question, I'm just gonna sit back
and go Sue's Canal.
Speaker 6 (55:26):
So if you write an opad that could have a
bank shot. Okay, well, all right, sue has canal is
so important. Then lifting the kind of red sea blockade
of all shipping like he just's been really suffering with
with you know, foreign currency coming in because of the
(55:48):
hoothy kind of shutdown of shipping lanes. So shouldn't shouldn't
it then be in the US national interest to end
the siege of Gaza, create a Palicity estate so that
this conflict ends, so that the traffic flows more freely
through the Suez Canal.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Therefore, that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (56:06):
Apak is actually the one that is undermining US national security.
Speaker 5 (56:09):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
Anybody associated with them who's not an American citys and according
to Pool, should be deported.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
Like in fairness to Pool and that I've been on
a show and I don't really have anything against him,
but in fairness to him, I think what he was
trying to do is explain the administration's point of view
on this.
Speaker 5 (56:28):
But I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
I doubt that's.
Speaker 6 (56:30):
Actually I think there their point of view is Canary
Mission or one of these other organizations gave us the
name Rumesa ods Tark and we arrested her.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Done, that's it. Yeah, we do what we're told.
Speaker 5 (56:45):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
Suez Canal, that's just that's that's the it's like washer happens,
live drinking game, the little Neon sign in the corner
of Suez Canal from here on out.
Speaker 5 (56:56):
I know you're probably watching this around noon there.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
One pm at your ask, but it's it's gonna every
time you here that you drink incredible stuff.
Speaker 8 (57:07):
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Speaker 6 (01:07):
So we're going to start by talking about this across
the board pause on student FEESUS that Marco, Rubio and
Trump announced yesterday. Then we're going to get into the
horrific debacle yesterday, the predictable debacle that was the attempt
by this Israeli US quote unquote humanitarian organization to deliver aid.
(01:31):
We'll talk about whether or not it was this was
exactly as expected and intended, and what it means going forward.
The images that came out of this are going to
be indelible, I think, an indelible stain on the US
and Israel's approach to the region. Kamala to Palestadians, Kamala
(01:52):
Harris hit the speaking tour, but privately some of it leaked, Yeah, some.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Of it leaked.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Are fun.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
She was at the Australian real Estate conference getting paid presumably,
so we have.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Least no, no, that's a pro bono one for she just
loves the Australian real estate industry.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's a deep passion of hers.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yes, who's not passionate about that.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
We cannot not talk about Jordan Peterson agreeing to be
one Christian debating twenty like twenty year old atheists, perfect
and emerging completely eviscerated.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
But also getting the video title changed. We'll get into
all of it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You've lost a debate so badly they had to change
the video title.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
It goes about as you would expect it to go.
So we will have some really fun clips from that.
And then we're going to be talking about Trump's pardoning
spree over the last couple of days. Not only the
Chrisly family, which was announced yesterday, so Todd and Julie
Christly from the reality show Chrisly Knows Best. Trump said
he was pardoning them yesterday in the Oval Office, but
(02:51):
a couple of other pretty interesting pardons Ryan just in
recent days, a sheriff and a nursing home executive.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Looks a little suspicious, to say the least.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
And then we're going to be We're going to finish
by interviewing an official from the energy industry, and not
just the clean energy industry.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
This is the dirty energy industry.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Although his company tries to make the dirty the fossil
fuel industry a little bit cleaner. He's going to talk
about the industries to react the energy industry across the
board's reaction to Trump's big brutal bill, big beautiful bill,
whatever you want to call it, brutal, big brutal bill,
because it's not just clean energy that it takes a
sledgehammer to the entire energy production infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Across the board.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Is getting whacked by this bill to the point where
Exon mobil is like, wait a minute, what are you
doing this?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
This is really bad.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And lastly, on that, speaking of the Big Beautiful Bill,
Elon Musk is making an even we'll say harsher break with.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Diversion, the trumpet illustration.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He's going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this week,
and so teasers that have been really least show him
saying that he fleshes out his point about how the
Big Beautiful spending bill undermines Doge. He's recently said he
feels like the Trump administrations or that Doge became the
Trump Administration's whipping boys.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
So we will have some updates on that front as well.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yeah, kind of sad that the moment that Musk says
something decent is also the moment that he's totally lost
all his juice.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
You're about to buy more tuslas again.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, yes, and long testlas all of a sudden.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Well, let's start with the news about student visas. We
can go ahead and rule this first element. Secretary of
State Marco Rubio was in a cabinet meeting with President
Trump yesterday and a cable had leaked saying that the
administration was pausing student visas as it prepared a social
media vetting system. And we've covered news about the social
(04:49):
media vetting system here. You've probably seen this in the
student visa controversies that you know, the administration was citing
social media posts, but also was citing it's new efforts
to do mass data scrapes for these social media posts.
It appears that this is culminating in what is a
(05:09):
it's said to be a temporary pause in all student visas.
There are more than a million students on student visas
as of this school year. So here Secretary of State
Rubio explaining the policy yesterday at the White House.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
So when we identify lunatics like these, we take away
their student visa. No one's entitled to a student visa.
The press cover student visas like there's some sort of birthright. Now,
a student visas like me inviting you into my home.
If you come into my home and put all kinds
of crap on my couch, I'm going to kick you
out of my house. And so you know, that's what
we're doing with our country thanks to the President.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
All right, Ryan, So again, more than a million students
that are going to be affected, thirty percent of Harvard roughly.
We have Trump talking about this as well, but we
can put the tear sheet up on before we get
to Trump.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
This is a two an Axios story on.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
The policy, but it is about thirty percent of Harvard students.
Some schools have massive foreign student and populations for reasons
we can get into. They can pay generally full tuition,
so it's helpful on that front. But also we've long
been a magnet, obviously for the world's top talent.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
American higher education has.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now people don't always stay here, but many do and
a lot of you know, great American companies were founded
through people who came here for school and state and
then created some amazing stuff in the United States. Here's
Donald Trump from over the weekend talking about student visas.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
This is a three.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Part of the problem with Harvard is that they're about
thirty one percent, almost thirty one percent of foreigners coming
to Harvard. We give them billions of dollars, which is ridiculous.
We do grants which are probably not going to be
doing much grants anymore to Harvard, but there are thirty
one percent, but they refuse to tell us who the
people are. We want to know who the people. Now,
(06:53):
a lot of the foreign students we wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Have a problem with.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
I'm not going to have a problem with forign students,
but it shouldn't be thirty one percent. There's too much
because we have Americans that want to go there and
the places, and they can't go there because you get
thirty one percent foreign Now, no foreign government contributes money
to Harvard.
Speaker 9 (07:12):
We do, so why are they doing so many?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Number one?
Speaker 8 (07:15):
Number two, we want a list of those foreign students
and we'll find out whether or not they're okay.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Many will be okay.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
I assume, and I assume with Harvard many will be read.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And lastly, let's past this clip of an international student
at Harvard discussing the climate for international students.
Speaker 10 (07:32):
Right now, there are very few international students who are
even willing to speak to the media who are willing to,
you know, just posted something on social media or participate
at a protest, because we've seen people have had their visas.
We vote for that reason, but also some examples of
students who have been snatched off the street and put
in detention centers in Louisiana. What the Trump administration is
(07:56):
doing right now is a full scale attack on free
speech in this country, and you know, we simply have
to resist it, and we have to fight it with
whatever it means possible.
Speaker 11 (08:08):
Given that climate that you describe and the persecution of
some universities, would you feel confident would you be allowed
to go on and maybe study a post doctoral at
another university?
Speaker 10 (08:24):
I mean, I honestly don't know. I'm very happy that
I've made a decision to leave the country and that
I don't have to live with this uncertainty, and I
know that's how many international students are feeling right now.
Speaker 11 (08:37):
So what would be your advice for people who might
be watching you were thinking about a degree in the
United States.
Speaker 10 (08:43):
I think it's incredibly hard because I've had such a
great experience here and these have been the best four
years of my life. So it would break my heart
to tell anyone to not apply to Harvard or any
other institution in the US. But frankly, I do understand
that people I think twice about coming here, because why
would you apply to a university in America if you
(09:05):
don't even know whether you will be able to finish
your degree, if you can't study what you want, if
you can't speak out about political issues because you're afraid
that you might be put in at detention center and deported,
then I truly understand why people are worried.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
So the Trump comments, and that comes from that student,
came in response to, obviously the administration's decision to prevent
Harvard from accepting foreign students period that happened.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
We covered that on last Friday Show.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
But that was a decision that came last week from
Christy Nome technically because DHS oversees a vetting process and
they say Harvard is not complying with the vetting process,
and then made a list of pretty wild demands, intentionally
wild demands that Harvard wouldn't be able to meet about
foreign students, and Harvard obtained a restraining order in court
(09:55):
shortly after the administration came down with that decision.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So Ryan. Right now, we don't have a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Of details about what this would look like, but it
almost certainly is about Israel, because that's everything I've seen
so far, the vetting Rubio.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Rubio was putting it in the same framework. Yes that look,
it's a privilege to come here as a student. But
basically he's saying, if you're going to protest Israel and
we don't want then we don't want you in the
in the country. Now that the thing he said right
after that clip, He's like, like my wife and I
want to announce something. What he says is he's just
so proud that University of Florida's basketball team won a championship.
(10:33):
Two of their five starters are on student visas, one
from Nigeria, one from Australia. The Australian is it's pulled
himself out of the NBA Draft. It's going to look
Alex Connon is going to go back to Florida, he said,
Now maybe he won't. He's all right, forget it. I
guess I'm going to go mail. I'll play in the NBA.
If I'm not welcome here, I guess I'll go play
(10:55):
in another professional basketball league.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Somewhere else and make much less money though.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Either that all of the athletes first and be like
green light, you guys are fine, or they will just
not even ever look at the athletes social media.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Okay, Well, joe El Embiid, you know he's you know,
he's from Africa at some French citizenship. The French wanted
him to play the Olympics for them, but he wouldn't
because he didn't like France's kind of colonial approach to Africa?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Are we okay with that? Like tell us what tell
us what you're allowed to say about foreign countries?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
And we have no idea how they are.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
You can criticize France, right, I assume, oh, they're a
very close ally of ours. But you so you can
just make a list what are the countries you can't
criticize because you can criticize the United States?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
That's okay? Is and it is it Israel and d
or is it just Israel?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Why don't we have Israel do the vetting?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Like why are US taxpayers funding all of the kind
of social media research to find out if these seventeen
year old said anything positive about Palestinians When it's for
the benefit of Israel. Israel has all of this cyber tech.
Just let just let Israel run our state department and
run our DHS, like, and they can tell us who's
(12:14):
allowed to come in the country. Like, why are we
paying for that? It's we send them. We'll send them
money anyway, So I guess we're still paying for it.
Never mind, I thought I was trying to help us.
I can't figure it out.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It's like in theory, I actually am not at all
opposed the idea.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I mean, so what this is of the US vetting
its students based on what they think about Israel.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
No, I'm very opposed to that.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm not no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
In theory, I'm not opposed to the idea of saying, okay,
we should have a social media check of whether or
not people are openly saying like Chrystal and I interviewed
this guy, Mama Dutal from Ornell and if he went
and went back and looked at his social media as
he was applying, he was talking about how awful the
American Empire is, et cetera, et cetera. And but fine,
that's a perfectly fair free speech argument to make. But
(12:59):
is that someone you prioritize over another person who maybe actually.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Loves the United States, wants the United States to.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Be better and is like deeply passionate about are a
lot of people like that, and a lot of them
come over on student feesas and have great lives and
productive lives in the United States of America and do
make the country better. So I don't I'm not like
in theory a posts. So maybe we should be checking
what people who have social media are saying in the context.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But what we have zero idea.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
From the State Department right now about what they're looking for.
And our best guest, our best guest, based on the
framing that Secretary Rubio adopted, as you said there, Ryan,
and how they've been doing this so far, is that
they're looking for op eds like the mesa Os turks
op ed for the tough student newspaper that was promoting
a BDS policy at.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Her school which passed like the Senate.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
It was so Romesa wrote was one of four authors
supporting a Senate campus Senate resolution that said something about Israel,
which passed like And I don't know if you've ever
been involved with like student governance like to get some like, yeah,
they're to the left of the average, like town council.
(14:09):
But to get them all together to agree to a resolution,
it's not going to be like fire and brimstone. And
so she was the op ed that she got jailed
for passed the student Senate. It passed anyway, completely ridiculous.
So what else on this, Well, we don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
That's the other thing is we don't know how temporary
the pause is because as we're sitting here right now,
this could apply to millions of people for years to come.
It could last a month, and that's the thing with
the Trump administration. It could last a month, and it
could be screening for like in theory, it could last
a month, and it could be screening for genuine terrorists
or loss sympathety, yeah, which they should be doing. Or
(14:56):
or it could be treating people like the administration treated
is osterk And we really don't know, and it could
be doing that indefinitely because right now it's his temporary pause.
So this could mean the next three years of the
Trump administration there's a de facto ban on student.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Visas, or it could mean a month from now.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
They have their social media policies in place, and they're
stringently applying them and you know, screening for people who
are pro Palestine, but it's not a de facto ban
for the next three years. It's hard to say, but
given how they've handled cases like Ousters, they.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Don't really get the benefit of the doubt on them.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Let's take Trump's argument, and this might be something that
we disagree on. You know, he says the problem here
is that you know, the taxpayers fund these universities, and
the American taxpayers then aren't able to benefit fully from
these universities because they are taking in x percentage of
(15:59):
What I would say is, you know a couple things
on this. First, if his issue is actually accessed to
colleges and universities. One, something like more than a dozen
colleges and universities went under last year and the year before,
and we're in a crisis of colleges and universities going under,
like they're going bankrupt, so there's fewer places for people
(16:19):
to go.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Your alma mater struggles with that.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Saint Mary's College of Maryland, they're doing okay. I mean,
they're a state school. A lot of the it's more
private universities like the smaller private universities are going.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Under even state schools are having enrollment.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yes, and there's an enrollment problem because of birth rates
like there was, there's a baby bust that is now
starting to move in to university.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So it's it's causing a huge problem for them.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
And now you're going to say that, let's say foreign
students can't come either. On the question of the taxpayer funding, yes,
like taxpayers are funding these colleges and universities.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Harvard gets a lot of money.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
The money that the Trump administration is cutting off from
Harvard is specifically earmarked for grants and research because it
is one of the great research universities in the history
of the world, four hundred year old university. It produces
research in all varieties of fields that is then beneficial
(17:21):
to the entire world. So it's not that we are
subsidizing the foreign students tuition.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
It's the opposite.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
The foreign students, for the most part, are coming with
grants from their home countries. So it's not true that
no foreign countries are funding Harvard, because there are grants coming.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
From these subsidizing tuition.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Subsidizing tuition here, or these are the wealthier kids from
around the world.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Who are paying the sticker price at Harvard.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Which is often not meritocratic to be fair, I mean,
a lot of those kids are buying their way into this.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Same with the American kids who get yeah there.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
But it does undermine the argument that everyone who's coming
from and I just said this because I do believe
this to be true, but that we're a magnet for
the top, top, top talent. Sometimes there are foreign students
who are buying their seats at these universities too.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Right, But that's our system.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
We are not a meritocracy, like we are a place
where you can buy your way to the top.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Although we're more of a meritography. We can say we're
a meritocracy. I mean it's it's a lot worse elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Maybe in any event, they're they're not morods, Like you
have to pass a certain threshold and lots of these
lots of people passed a certain threshold. And then yeah,
a lot of these foreign students are are they're gonna
they're gonna pay the full freight, They're going to subsidize it.
So I would also let's say, let's take Disney World,
for example, gets enormous amounts of tax paramoney enormous. In fact,
(18:49):
De Santas tried to take someone look what happened to him.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
That's right, Yeah, we actually he won that the Ready
Creek thing, and.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Not really and they still get enormous amounts of tax breaks.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
When you go to disney World or Disneyland, you're going
to see enormous numbers of foreigners there. It is annoying
to stand in long lines and a lot of the
people in front of you in the line are foreign.
So wouldn't it make just as much sense, by which
I mean zero sense at all for Donald Trump to
(19:21):
say Americans pay to support disney World and so therefore
Americans should be the only ones that get to go
to Disney World. That's where his logic takes you. And
you might be watching this and be like, yeah, that's fair,
I agree with it. If so, you are a moron
(19:42):
like that's crazy, because what you are saying is that
we should not be a great country. We should not
be a country that people want to come to. We
should be a country where if you're a very good
basketball player, you hope that you get recruited and go
to Lithuania rather than being a great Lithuanian player and
get recruited and come to the United States. You are
welcome to be one of those countries. You can be
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an average or below average country where people want to leave.
That's a choice that is available to the United States,
which is currently heading towards that on purpose. So congratulations,
you can have shorter lines at Disney World. But just
play that out. What's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
So maybe we do disagree a little bit because I
think there's a long overdue renegotiation of the relationship between
the federal government and higher education. And maybe this is
actually more of a middle ground than a disagreement, because
I don't agree with all the particulars of how it
could play out. I don't know how they actually intend
to play it out. And that's a problem with a
lot of their policies, is that they're intentionally messing around.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Like yeah, And the thing that makes me angry is
that they have me sitting here defending Harvard. Like if
they want to take three billion dollars away from Harvard
for its research grants and give it to the fifty
state schools, like the flagship states schools around the country,
be my guest, please do that would be amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You know, screw Harvard. I'm not here defending Harvard.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
The idea that you're going to take that money out
and then you're going to do a seven point five
trillion dollar tax cut for the rich like that is suicidal.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Well, they're also doing endowment taxes that have higher education
freaked out.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
So Harvard is.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
A fifty billion dollar endowment and their money is absolutely fungible.
And I do think that a lot of these schools
coast off. The largest of.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Taxing dollary gives the University of Michigan, Wisconsin, tradeskab College
of Maryland.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're right with the trade schools.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, which is something that Trump sort of was
trolling with Harvard as well.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
But to destroy Harvard just so you can do tax
cuts is suicidal. Or just to destroy it just to
destroy it for the sake of Israeli uh propaganda.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Hell right, for the sake of like our Middle East policy,
whatever that is according to them and according to him
ever takes over. By the way, which is part of
the that the Obama administration was seen as egregeous by
conservatives is that they were using the strings attached to
federal funding to coerce different policies out of Title nine.
(22:11):
And it was just happened in dear colleague letters, so
like little missives from the Secretary of Education that could
be fired off at a moment's notice, And Conservatives were
really opposed to doing that because it was this expansion
of Title nine policy from Washington, DC that affected every
different school. So I think there's some of that to
be opposed to and to not have double standards. I
(22:33):
think absolutely there's some of that going on here. I do, though,
generally think some of this money is the same way
I feel about a lot of the cabinet agencies. I
do think if you're there are strings attached to public money.
And I don't have a problem with the duly elected
president and his administration saying that there are strings attached
to the money. But they should also realize that it's
a mutually beneficial arrangement for a reason. And the mutually
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beneficial part of that still Harvard acting badly doesn't mean
the entire arrangement is a disaster in and of itself.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And what's their big complaint that they did that they
didn't arrest more student protesters.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I mean not that it depends on your four hundred
year old university, right, It.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Depends on who you're talking to. I mean, if you're
talking to Alan Dershowitz, that's probably it.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
If they did a three hundred page report, there was
somebody who said that, you know, once they were posting
on Instagram that they were supportive of Israel, some of
their friends ghosted them like that, like that that type
of complaint and that literal complaint like made it into
this like report on anti Semitism. And so if we
just pull enough research grants from Harvard, like we will
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you know, pressure people to go on walks with their
friends who support genocide. Like like, hey, look, you said
you would go on a walk Tuesday morning, and I
showed up. You weren't even there. I just had to
walk by myself.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I think it.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Depends what you're talking to. For some people, they would
basically be in that camp as.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
You just spont to whoever you ghosted your friends, Now
you destroyed Harvard, well done.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
All you had to do was just like not talk
about the genocide.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
On the other hand, that's.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
What they were trying to do, by the way, just
not talking with the genocide bid, like just being like,
you know what, this is your thing. You support this,
I don't, So let's just not be friends. That is
apparently bigotry. I mean that needs the state to intervene.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, well, I mean I could go to well.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Trump will not countenance such ghosting.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
He would never treat a friend.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
No, he would not.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
But it depends what you're talking to you.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
If you're talking to some people, then yes they would
say something along those lines. You're talking to other people,
they would cite Aaron Sibarium's, you know, a couple of
year record of excellent reporting on how Harvard's DEI policies
have genuinely eroded what was already in a roded system
of meritocracy at Harvard.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
And there's some really legitimate stuff to.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Take issue with their This is if this is the
pressure campaign lasts for a week, then it lasts for
a week. If this lasts for three years and is
an indefinite pause on student visas not just at Harvard
but basically everywhere, I mean legally, except.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Just replacing DEI with one marginalized group, yes, supporters of Israel,
not even Jewish students. Because if you're a Jewish student
who opposes the genocide, then you are bad and big
at it at.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
H the only so it's de i.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
But for supporters of Israel, unapologetic supporters of.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Israel, we'll see how it's implemented.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Many such cases, as Donald Trump would say about his
early policies. In fact, a Financial Times columnist, did you
see this coin to the term taco. Trump always chickens
out on on tariffs, and it's just these policies. It's
the Jackson Pollock approach to guidence. You just actually he's
making this, you know, mess and hoping that it turns
(25:54):
out right.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
This briefing that Rubio or Rubio is going on about
this coming as Trump was chickening out on European.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Literally yes, in the middle of the cabinet meeting where he.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Backed off the fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Ran.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Let's move on to Gaza. A lot of updates from
the Middle East. Let's start by playing b One and Ryan.
Maybe you can describe a little bit of what we're
seeing on the screen.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, So this organization absurdly named the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,
which is which according to the Arii Lipede. You know,
foreign Prime Minister of Israel is funded by Israel. It's
a kind of a joint the US Israeli organization which
is trying to supplant Unrede, the World Food Program and
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all the other humanitarian aid organizations that bring in assistance.
What they did is they flipped delivery of humanitarian aid
on its head, like the way that the established organizations
do it to make sure that they don't get food
riots is that you need to kind of you need
to flood the area with aid, and you need to
(27:04):
have it decentralized at lots of different places, and you
need to have it near where people are so that
it's as convenient as possible and you have as short
lines as possible, because you don't want hundreds or thousands
or tens of thousands.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Is definitely not hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Of people who are haven't eaten for long stort and
an had a good meal probably in twenty months. You
don't want them all congregating around this one particular area.
But the GHF is not designed to efficiently distribute humanitarian aid.
Its design is explicitly for depopulating Northern Gaza. Like Yahoo
(27:46):
has set out loud that the goal of this organization
is to entice Palestinians into the south of Gaza into
particular areas where they have to then present their ideas
and lead their homes, at which point they will not
be allowed to return to their homes. Like he has
said this out loud, this is not leaked audio. Like
(28:08):
he's been very clear that that's the goal of this.
So therefore they set up just four distribution centers for
two million people who haven't you know, had aid distributed
since March second, and they set up you saw that.
You saw that zigzag barbed wire fence.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
They set that.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
They set that like corral up as as their way
because they understood that there would be large desperate crowds there.
Of course, that did not hold people back. People had
to walk ten fifteen kilometers to get to this place
as well, which immediately means who are you going to
get like the people who are in the best possible shape,
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not great shape, but the best possible shape. If you're
desperately malnourished, you can't walk fifteen kilometers through the sun
to get to this place. And so then so the
desert people broke through the fence. Apache hell, as you
saw in the video, there a patchy helicopters.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Like start firing on the crowd.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Nobody was killed, thankfully, but it was it was a
complete catastrophe.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Then what people got.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Were these little boxes that had flour, dried pasta, and
some dried beans.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Now think about that.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
What it's better than having nothing in your hands, but
what do you need to take that to something edible
like water and an energy source which you're also extremely
hard to come by. Deliberately so, humanitarian aid organizations were
saying this is deeply inappropriate, Like this is not the
thing you would give to malnourished people. First of all,
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it's not the kind of nourishment that you need. Like
there are very particular types of food packages that you
could give to people who haven't had a decent meal
for two months and that that need to recover their
health a little bit pasta, beans and rice and like that.
That's that's not it. And you don't want to give
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somebody something that needs to be cooked with clean water
and heat if they don't have clean water and heat.
Of course, though that that assumes that any of this
is on the up and up, which they have acknowledged
it is not. It is about at the cleansing is
about It's about deepop It's about depopulism. Depopulation, uh, the
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other concern that Palestinians had and which was born out immediately.
It is reported by my colleague Jeremy Scalhegn put this
third element up on the screen. This is a statement
from Aamawi who from the Gaza relief committees where he's
if if you're watching this, you can pause and read it.
But basically what he's describing is that is is the situation,
(30:48):
uh that I just described. Amawi also reported and these
are the details of it. Amawi also reported that there
are reports of people and they were directly involved with this,
who went to get.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
The aid, you know, to give their idea run.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Their name gets run through there and the guy gets snatched.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
A family then gets a phone call.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
From this guy saying I've been snatched. They they want
me to ask you. This is so now we're two
degrees of separation away. They want me to ask you
about this other person that they're asking about that's a
member of this other families you know out outer orbit,
they said, and they say, and they tell them like,
we haven't seen this guy since the beginning of this war.
(31:36):
Now Presumably this is somebody that Israel's looking for. Presume
like let's say somebody in Hamas or a fighter or
some other resistance group. Like that's the assumption, because you know,
you can't find the guy, you ask his relatives, can't
find the relatives, you ask the relatives friends, and then
so there, so they snatched the guy, extored him, uh,
(31:58):
just to try to find somebody three or four degrees
removed from him.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And he's like, that's all I can do.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Like they said, they haven't seen him, you know, in
this long and they're on the phone with him. They're like, Okay,
come with us, and they just arrest him and detain.
You know, we don't know if he's still alive. We
don't know if he if he's if he's been tortured,
or what kind of abuse he's suffered at their hands.
And this is violates one of the top principles of
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a humanitarian aid organization, which is neutrality, that the aid
is not a weapon in pursuit of like Hamas figures
who are three or four degrees connected.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I don't know, I don't know who they were looking for.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
We don't know, but let's assume it was that like,
that's not what an aid organization is supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And so this has exploded predictably into an international controversy.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Ongoing international controversy. Let's roll. I'm going to skip ahead
here to be five.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
This is a clip of Press Secretary for the State's Department,
Tammy Bruce, responding to questions yesterday.
Speaker 12 (33:00):
The world has been shocked by what's happened in Gaza
over the past few days.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The silhouette of the little girl.
Speaker 13 (33:04):
Well, I said, it's been obviously, it's been shocked over
generations about what you absolutely and that Jamas certainly is
refused to stop that violence.
Speaker 14 (33:13):
But go ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:14):
So but just in the past few days, we've seen
the silhouette of a little girl trying to flee burning
classrooms surrounding her, killing people around her. We've seen thousands
of Palestinians starved by Israel's blockade, heard it between fences
as they try to get fed. Today thousand excuse me,
a doctor who'saw nine of her children killed by Israeli bombs.
(33:35):
All the while this administration, of course, as we've has
talked to deport students who protest this, including one student
who wrote.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
An op ed against this kind of behavior.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
The administration came in telling Americans it would be more
pro peice, more anti war.
Speaker 14 (33:46):
And this is beginning to sound like a soliloquy. Sir,
do you have a question, please please, I'm curious.
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Yes, I have this very serious issue, and everyone has
your question.
Speaker 14 (33:55):
Yes, yes, I ask it.
Speaker 12 (33:57):
I wonder how you see this administration being more pro
piece or more anti war than the previous administration given
these kinds of horrors that Americans are witnessing.
Speaker 13 (34:06):
Yes, well, you know it is a dynamic. Whereas I
also just mentioned a little bit ago, we did achieve
a ceasefire, something which nobody thought would be possible after
the heinousness of October seventh, the nature of what had
occurred on that day, the fact that there has to
be a new way. The President has stated, we have
(34:26):
to have new ideas to make a difference so this
stops and doesn't go from generation to generation. What we've
got here is, after I don't know what has it
been three months a bit over one hundred days of
President Trump managing to get I think every warring party,
every hostile party against other people on this planet to
a table to stop now that's the simple part. Making
(34:50):
things happen and making it last is another thing.
Speaker 14 (34:53):
Hamas.
Speaker 13 (34:54):
We did have a ceasefire, and then Hamas decided once
again that that was just not going to do and
they can and you to do what they do.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Ran, I think you wanted to toss to another club.
Speaker 15 (35:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Well, Andrew Mitchell lacing it up has been going to
the State Department press briefings, she asked. She asked a
question about this aid delivery mechanism as well, like why
are you using this when you've got Sidney McCain for
the World Froot program doing, You've got the un You've
got plenty of people who could do this. Why are you, like,
what are you even doing here? And she elicited a
(35:27):
fascinating response from Tammy Brucelett.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
We can roll B six B here.
Speaker 13 (35:32):
There's certainly and this is something the world is watching,
something we've all cared about getting resolved. It is not
an uncomplicated situation. This is, however, the first delivery of
major aid, if not the only aid we've been hearing
for months.
Speaker 14 (35:49):
I wish that Cindy McCain had spoken up that.
Speaker 13 (35:52):
They had found a way to move food into gossip
because that certainly hadn't been conveyed to us.
Speaker 14 (35:57):
But now, which if that's the case, that's great.
Speaker 13 (36:00):
What I do know is that the people on the
ground now as we're as the number I told you
I think is rather significant, four hundred and.
Speaker 14 (36:07):
Sixty two thousand meals. That's what we're focused on.
Speaker 13 (36:12):
And this is and I'm not going to address either
gossip or complaints or people who knew or weren't included
or would do it a different way, or.
Speaker 14 (36:21):
Who's shooting at whom that Hamah, It's not the real
story here. The story is that aid.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
And food is moving into Gaza at a massive scale.
At this point when you're looking at eight thousand food boxes,
was this going to be like going.
Speaker 14 (36:39):
To the mall or through a drive through?
Speaker 5 (36:41):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 13 (36:42):
This is a complicated environment and the story is the
fact that it's working. I find it difficult that there
are people who would go on television shows to complain
about a process that is working and moving food into
the area.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
So the idea that it was a mystery that the
World Program had found a way into get to get
food into gas is absurd. Like the everybody has been
witnessing that for up until March.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Second, when it Israel blocked it.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
The argument that Israel makes publicly is that, well, Hamas
is stealing the aid. The whole reason that we have
to blow up the entire system of humanitarian aid delivery
and GAZ is that Hamas was stealing it. And we
have no obligation to give aid to Hamas just to
use against us and sell on the black market. So
(37:34):
that's that's the argument they make publicly. So let's let
David Saderfield respond to that. So David Satterfield was the
Biden administration official who was responsible for humanitarian overseeing humanitarian
aid and negotiating negotiating with the Israelis over that. According
to people in the State Department that I talked to,
like Satterfield almost never pushed back on the Israelis, Like
(37:58):
he was a very very sympathetic figure. In two thousand
and five, then you guys can google this, U Sadderfield
wasn't was listed in an indictment for leaking this is
under the Bush administration for leaking classified information to a
(38:19):
pack and two and to uh you can look it
up like to this. Then a Pack was linked up
with Israel, so it wasn't just to a pack, but
it was classified information. Uh so this is now. He
was never officially charged, he was never charged, and he
did and he defended. He said what I what I
did was above board and it was not a crime.
(38:42):
The point here this is somebody who is close enough
to Israel that it was listed in a two thousand
and five indictment for having leaked classified information to Israel.
So this is not something In other words, this is
not a Hamas sympathizer. This is not even one of
these eight department officials who you'd call like an arabist,
(39:02):
which are mostly all gone from the State Department. So
that's the context I want you to have when you
listen to Sadderfield get asked the question is Hamas? Is
there any evidence that Hamas is stealing the AID? So
let's roll B six.
Speaker 16 (39:20):
Hamas was stealing, profiting and diverting the majority of the
AID that was coming in. That that is Israel's claim.
How do you respond to that?
Speaker 9 (39:35):
No such allegation or evidence in support of allegations like
that were ever provided privately by informed Israeli security or
political officials. It is a claim which on the face
of it is not reflected in any of the experience
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that those involved in the humanitarian effort have seen. Did
ham US benefit politically from its presence at distribution sites
to reinforce to the population of Gaza that they remained
effective and in place. Certainly they did. Did HAMAS take
some assistance, quite likely, but from the UN and INGO channels,
(40:19):
which were highly accountable. Whatever aid was ultimately diverted in
any fashion by Hamas was minimal compared to the aid
that was received by the general population. Now, the same
can't be said about aid that came in outside UN
or international NGO channels. That's a different matter. In Israel
(40:41):
understands that. But we're speaking now of the UN. The
allegations that the majority I've heard some claims all of
the assistants was seized by Hamas. That has never been
made privately to officials involved in this process, nor demonstrated
through evidence.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
What's so fascinating to me about that answer is he's
not saying they never provided evidence that Hamas was stealing
the aid privately. They never even made that claim. In
other words, they know it's not true. They say it
publicly because idiots on X will repeat it. But privately
(41:22):
when they're talking to other state department officials in their
counterparts in the in the like relief world. They don't
even claim it, let alone provide evidence for it.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Well, I thought it was helpful nuance when he said,
because he himself wasn't saying that no AID has ever
been diverted or sure like Hamas just executed four people
under the like Reuter says, this st this morning, and
they did it a few weeks ago as well, for
diverting AID, right, which is like, that's what.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Israel backed gangs that are like looting drugs and then
Hamas is going back after them.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, it's quite an upside out.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
World, but it's helpful nuance of what he's saying is
that it's minimal whatever is being diverted.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Like.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
The Hamas has tens of thousands of fighters.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
People are starving in the last nineteen months, those fighters
have eaten yep, some with some of that food that
came in.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, of course, no doubt like he's saying.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
Yeah, But the the accusation made broadly is that they
take the aid, they take it all, and then they
sell it back into the black market at exorbitant prices
and then they use that money to then fund their
war effort.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Where what are they buying?
Speaker 6 (42:29):
Like there are no weapons getting in, Like they make
all their own weapons underground. So like the even even
that argument falls apart, because what are you gonna do
with cash? Like when you're in a full blockade, Like
a lot of reporters and gaza who have been able
to freelance for international organizations and have like decent amounts
of money in their bank account, it's like it's it's
(42:50):
like ash in their hands. It's like you can't there's
nothing to buy. So setting that all aside, Yes, have
they eaten some of the foods come in, Yeah, I
mean they've eaten like the human beings. But yeah, so anyway,
that like that, if you wanted to know how serious
Israel is about that allegation, they never made it privately.
And that's according to Sadderfield, who was literally an unindicted
(43:15):
co conspirator in a Israel conspiracy in two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
And we can also roll this this clip of the
little girl that was being referenced in the question to Bruce.
This is really difficult to watch, but we can roll
this is before Yeah, you can see this on your screen, right,
do you know where this is around?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
And one of these girls, I'm not sure exactly where,
but one of these girls, one of the girls lived
and is in the hospital. Her entire family there, she is,
her entire family. This is at a school wiped out.
And it's just another horrific atrocity in an ongoing series
of atrocities.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
And this is what you know.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Netanyahu was pushing against the ceasefire to be able to
continue doing this.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
And I want to rule both B two as well.
Speaker 12 (44:03):
Run.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
These are the mercenaries. This is what you're going to
see on the screen. And you'll hear.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
This a little bit are So this is from Mohammad
Shahada who says those are the American mercenaries running GHF's
quote unquote AID concentration camp in Rafa.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
One of them speaks in an Iraqi dialect.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Most of them served in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of
them with the infamous Blackwater. They each get paid over
thirty three thousand dollars per month.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
The second clip here, what you're seeing are is.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
This even an authentic clip? I've seen this one going around, Yeah,
go ahead, it.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
Was as Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
So this is from Cassi Akiva, who's at the Daily
Wire so obviously enormously pro is a real popular or
population outlet, sours that one of the Gaza distribution sites
tells me that Hamas set up a roadblock to prevent
Gosins from getting aged. She said, they broke through it
and we're shouting thank you America.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Upon reaching the site.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I'mas put out a stavement saying that that's absurd, Like
they did not put up any checkpoints.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
They would be bombed, Like if they did that, Like.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
That's just yeah, that's just there's just no way that's
true that they set up checkpoints to block people from
going there. A that would turn the population completely against them.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
They're starting turning against them.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
Right, but completely Like Okay, so now there's eight here.
I can't get through because the mass is blocking me. A.
That's why they wouldn't have be If a moss is
out in the open like that in southern Gaza, surrounded
by Israeli military, they would bomb them.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I just also wanted to quickly touch on one of
the interesting points from Tammy Bruce. You mentioned that her
answer was pretty interesting in response to Andrew Mitchell. I
thought her other answer was pretty interesting as well that
we played because when pressed on this question of how
is the Trump administration the pro piece more pro peace
than the administration before it, she pointed at the ceasefire
(45:53):
and she did reference the kind of conscience shocking images
coming out of Gaza in the last few days. And
that's where this is for the Trump administration. I think
going to culminate in something with Trump maybe wit Coough
as well, where they ultimately just have to make a
(46:15):
decision and Yahoo, and I think that's coming up in
the next couple of weeks. Is it is it Yahoo
or is it your your new what does it? What
did he say during the campaign he was president of peace, right, like,
do you want to you have to at a certain point,
as this is coming to a head, make that decision.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Quicker than that, because yeah, this is this is moving
so fast a Gaza city by the way.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And they're coasting right now, you know, they're they're sort
of coasting on this feud back and forth in the press,
like the leaks to Barack revive that harken back to
the Biden administration about how Trump is frustrated and Trump
probably is genuinely frustrated with net Yahoo, but that it
it feels like it's coming to a sort of Manichean
with me or against me choice in the days ahead.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
Yeah, and the New York Times reporting that Nanya Who's
still agitating to bomb Yeah Aron right while the negotiations
are ongoing, that it led to a tense phone call
between Trump and Manya who that has echoes of the.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Biden administration too. Bbe stop Boebe stop n Yahoo.
Speaker 6 (47:21):
Get getting a tongue lashing from angry presidents of the
United States, and you had continue to do exactly as
as he pleases with US weapons and funding.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Let's move on to this conversation between Timpoole and Bill
Maher on a recent edition of Club Random. We have
another interesting Tempoole clip versus Adam Conover that will roll
right afterwards, but let's start here with B seven.
Speaker 15 (47:46):
That's one of the main reasons why the far left
started to really hate me is because I call out
Islam as what it is extremely illiberal. That's what's what's
so ironic about liberals being so supportive of hamas is
because you're liberals and these are the people. I'm sorry,
but this ideology Islam, even in its more benign forms. Yes,
(48:10):
I agree most the vast majority of Muslims not terrorists,
of course, but Islamists, which is the word we used
to describe people who are not terrorists but kind of
agree with the things terrorists are doing and are for.
That's a much higher number. That's many millions of people,
and even the rank and file. I mean, most Muslim
(48:33):
societies live under some form of Sharia law, which no
Westerner who thinks that Tamas is so great could ever
live under your fundamental rights that you take for granted
here in America. You would not have, you know, I mean,
all the protesters who are protesting in Gaza against Tamas,
(48:53):
they've all been killed. They killed protesters women. I mean,
do I have to say anything more than just just
if it was just that issue how women are treated?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 17 (49:05):
And the narrative is when I talk to some of
these academics, like the anti wokee people that are like, well,
it's because they say that, you know, Gaza is oppressed,
and I'm like sure, but they're siding with the second
biggest religion in the world, which is authoritarian, fundamentalist. And
I don't care if you practice whatever religion you want
to practice. It's fine, but it's strange to me to
(49:26):
claim that Islam is oppressed in any meaningful way.
Speaker 15 (49:29):
Well, I do care what you practice, and I fully
defend to the death your right to practice whatever religion
you want. Just don't lie to me and say all
religions are alike. All religions are not alike, and what
makes them different mostly is how fundamentalist they are.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (49:47):
Fundamentalist means you actually believe what's in the Holy Book.
I mean, there's the Quran, there's the Bible, and they're
both full of nonsense. But we have learned to wink
at the Bible in the way.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
So timpoole going on this very bizarre Bill mahershow and knowing,
oh yeah, Bill Mars, Bill Mahers like this. He's proudly
Islama focally, he really really hates Islam.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
He hates all religions.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
Yeah, but he really really hates Islam. If people are
curious about his history and his kind of take on
fundamentalist Islam, should google Islamic Renaissance or Islamic Golden Age.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Just go go do the Wikipedia on that.
Speaker 6 (50:32):
It's just it's just not the case that there's anything
inherently backwards about Islam, like and go go While you're
going through that, then just just jump over to like
the Christianity and Catholicism Wikipedia page and check how things
were going during that period of time.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
You and I gonna have to smoke a blunt on
club random and hash this out.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
I don't think anybody would debate that.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
I think the best argument would be, well that you know,
you have to go back to the that was only
five hundred years. It was this first five hundred years
is pretty It's pretty I wan't.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Say the first five hundred years there was a pretty
violent period at the inception of Islam.
Speaker 6 (51:09):
Fortunately, no other religion has been linked to any violence around.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
The world, so yeah, they're really rarely over.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
So what is interesting about that is even if I
disagree with you on that point, I also completely disagree,
and I think a lot of people increasingly disagree with
Bill Maher that there was this neo conservative and I
know he's not technically a neocon, but there was a
neo conservative linking intentionally after nine to eleven of political
Islam fundamentalist Islam with this particular conflict as though because
(51:42):
there are radical there's political.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Radicalism in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
That that necessity that necessitates a policy that is pro
Israel no matter what Israel wants to do, whenever Israel
wants to do it, and that conflation is absurd and
I feel like it's falling apart. The sort of construction
that gave that created public support for policies predicated on
that as falling apart right now, it's fallen apart since
(52:12):
you know, after October seventh.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
Yeah, I would, I would just say this, like the
Islamism that he's talking about is a fairly recent innovation,
like to talk about last hundred years, and like a
kind of reaction in some.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Quarters to modernity, but.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Actually also partially a reaction to the policy of Palestine.
The policy towards from the West towards Palestine after World War.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Two predates that a little bit. But yeah, it does.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
But it's definitely and all that. Yeah, yeah, I mean
it's not irrelevant.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
And in the with the collapse of kind of pan
Arab socialism, why.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Does Iron support Hamas to some extent, because it's an
extremely important question for a lot of fundamentalists, So it's
it's not irrelevant. And actually you can make the argument
that continuing sort of blanket check policy towards Israel actually
makes the problem worse.
Speaker 6 (53:04):
Although yeah, Iron supported the resistance from the beginning of
the revolution in seventy nine, and Amasa doesn't come around
until like the nineties or whatever.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
In seventy nine, but that's after the creation of modern Israel.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
It's it's like.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
That's since like that that has been baked into it
for since the creation of Israel.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
And so watching pool, he doesn't, I don't.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
I don't quite understand what's up with this guy's guy
was taking money literally from Russia.
Speaker 5 (53:33):
Right unknowingly, but yeah, alleged.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
I mean, I think it's actually it's it's a crazy story.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
He's taking he's taking money.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
Whether he knew it was from Russia or not, he
knew it was money, and it was to influence his
editorial content.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yes, absolutely, that is so that aside.
Speaker 6 (53:53):
Here here he is talking to Adam Connover with one
of the most hair brain things I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
This is incredible.
Speaker 18 (53:58):
And then she's being like four simply deported. Do you
think that's good for America? Like this is okay? So
you know, marginally you think, what do you what do
you think is good, even marginally, Like, what's the what's
the minor small benefit to America?
Speaker 17 (54:12):
Do not our country and rally against it and its
interests to you?
Speaker 18 (54:18):
So what is the what is the US interest that
her writing an op ed the Suez Canal?
Speaker 17 (54:27):
The United States?
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Uh?
Speaker 17 (54:29):
The reason why the US is so I love these
zi Jews, people that are like.
Speaker 9 (54:34):
Israel controls the forum of Pulzy.
Speaker 5 (54:35):
Oh, shut up.
Speaker 17 (54:36):
The US interest in is with Israel, Egypt and Saudi
Arabia has a lot to do with like the Red
Sea and the Suez Canal. This is why Donald Trump
is obsessed with Panama and Greenland. He wants to control
the global trade routes. Is what America's largely done.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
This is that.
Speaker 17 (54:49):
That's why I say it's it's it's it's a It's
a gross mischaracterization to claim that an op ed is
a threat to national security in that it is in
the smallest of senses, students coming here and telling us
to oppose our support with Israel puts it puts us
at risk in terms of the sentiment of a younger
generation as to whether or not we'll fund Israel and
(55:10):
control the Suez Canal.
Speaker 18 (55:13):
But I asked you if you thought it was good
to deport her as a marginally all right.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
So Suez Canal, that's my new anytime you say something,
you asked me a question, I'm just gonna sit back
and go Sue's Canal.
Speaker 6 (55:26):
So if you write an opad that could have a
bank shot. Okay, well, all right, sue has canal is
so important. Then lifting the kind of red sea blockade
of all shipping like he just's been really suffering with
with you know, foreign currency coming in because of the
(55:48):
hoothy kind of shutdown of shipping lanes. So shouldn't shouldn't
it then be in the US national interest to end
the siege of Gaza, create a Palicity estate so that
this conflict ends, so that the traffic flows more freely
through the Suez Canal.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Therefore, that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (56:06):
Apak is actually the one that is undermining US national security.
Speaker 5 (56:09):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
Anybody associated with them who's not an American citys and according
to Pool, should be deported.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
Like in fairness to Pool and that I've been on
a show and I don't really have anything against him,
but in fairness to him, I think what he was
trying to do is explain the administration's point of view
on this.
Speaker 5 (56:28):
But I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
I doubt that's.
Speaker 6 (56:30):
Actually I think there their point of view is Canary
Mission or one of these other organizations gave us the
name Rumesa ods Tark and we arrested her.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Done, that's it. Yeah, we do what we're told.
Speaker 5 (56:45):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
Suez Canal, that's just that's that's the it's like washer happens,
live drinking game, the little Neon sign in the corner
of Suez Canal from here on out.
Speaker 5 (56:56):
I know you're probably watching this around noon there.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
One pm at your ask, but it's it's gonna every
time you here that you drink incredible stuff.
Speaker 8 (57:07):
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