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day that we're at least not yet offensively involved in
this war, but all signs not pointing in particularly good direction.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And what do we have?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
So yeah, we've got all the latest.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Obviously, Trump made a bunch of comments yesterday in the
Oval office, so we'll show you a mashup of that
and everything else that we can pull for you to
give you an indication of where things may be headed.
We're also taking a look at d and I Tulci
Gabbard and what is being reported as an increasingly strained
relationship in the White House. Interesting things to dig into there.
Inside of Israel, they are ratcheting up the censorship. In fact,
(01:05):
we have a report this morning that an Al Jazeera
photographer was detained over daring to show some of the
missile damage that Iran was able to inflict. Also, a
hospital inside of Israel was struck. And there's a bunch
of other details there too for us to get into.
The full Tucker versus Ted Guruz interview is out. We've
(01:26):
got a bunch of clips for you. I know you've
already seen Ryan and Emily covered a few of them.
There's a number war that are, if anything, even more extraordinary,
So will break those down for you. I think you'll
enjoy watching all of that. I certainly did. We also
have pulled the latest polling to try to read the
tea leaves about how people feel about potential offensive war
like US getting directly directly involved in terms of war
(01:48):
with Iran. So some very contradictory indications there. So Mari
is going to join us, who wrote a fantastic piece
about what people should know about Iran and how a
regime change or regime collapse would go would like given
his extensive knowledge of that nation, and we had to
get to this one. Obama has joined the chat. He
has some comments to offer us from on high.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So the Great Stage, the Great Stage decided to descend
back amongst his people and to issue an edict. He
thinks he's like a pope or something like that and
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Speaker 1 (02:21):
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go ahead and get to the latest comments. We know
(03:00):
right now for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, so Trump making a bunch of different statements, some
of them somewhat contradictory.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to a bit
of what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
They should have made the deal. I had a great
deal for them. They should have made that deal. Sixty
days we talked about it, and in the end they
decided not to do it. And now they wish they
did it, and they want to meet, but it's it's
a little late to meet, but they want to meet,
and they want to come to the White House. I
even come to the White House, so we'll see.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I may do that.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
But it's a shame that wasn't could have been done
easy with And it's interesting because I did ask Tuckler.
I said, well, are you okay with nuclear weapons being
in the hands of Iran? And he sort of didn't
like that. He didn't want to really, but he sort
of didn't like that. And I said, well, if it's
okay with you, then you and I do have a difference.
(03:50):
But it's really not okay with him. Therefore you may
have to fight. And maybe it led, and maybe it
led very quickly, but there's no way that you can,
whether you have to fight or not, you can allow
Ran to have a nuclear weapon because the entire world
will blow up. He said, I was going back home
to make a ceasefire, not a ceasefire. Will long be
(04:14):
on ceasefire. And I said, why do you say that?
Why would you say it's a bad term to use,
because a ceasefire means like everything's going swimmingly, we'll take
a little time off. It's not We're not looking for
a ceasefire. We're looking for a total, complete victory. Again,
you know what the victory is no nuclear weapon.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
It's Iran and their prozeas who threaten to retaliate against
you and your team by killing you guys or taking
out sold Well, they haven't done that, and that would
be a terrible thing for them to do, not because
of me. If they did that, they would be obliterated.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
That'd be the end. I've left instructions.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's about fans and the positive joint.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I could expect anybody. They even suggested they come to
the White House.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's a big.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Difference, but they've suggested that they come to the White House.
That's you know, courageous, but you know it's like not
easy for them to do.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So he says there he wants total and complete victory.
And we could actually jump ahead to A two some
of the latest reporting, and guys, I want you to
take everything that comes out of his mouth, comes out
of literally any media outlet with a million grains of salt,
because all of this is, you know, incredibly strategic.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Is it the truth? Is it not the truth? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But this is an information that they the White House
wanted to be put out there. Trump privately approved of
attack plans for Iran, but has withheld the final order.
President Trump told senior aides late Tuesday he approved of
attack plans for Iran, was holding off to see if
Tehran would abandon its nuclear program. People familiar with the
deliberation said Iran's well defended FOURDO enrichment facility is a
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possible US target, buried under a mountain generally considered by
military experts to be out of reach of all but.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
The most powerful bombs.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So that is the latest in terms of White House statements.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Look, nobody knows.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
And this is the thing with Trump himself, you know,
simultaneously he's saying, let's go ahead and invite the Iranians
to the White House. The Iranian mission at the United
Nations denied that report, saying that actually, that's not happening.
We do know the Iranian Foreign Minister has been in
somewhat intermittent communication with Steve Whitcoff to what end, again
very unclear. There was two planes that took off yesterday
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from Tehran to Doha carrying some Iranian negotiators. There's been
no announcement from the United States to Steve Whitcoff is
meeting with them. The Ranian Foreign Minister will meet with
European Union foreign ministers today at some point in a
public form, and Iran has requested a meeting at the
UN Security Council. Basically, none of that is going to
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necessarily do anything, but we knew that there's some diplomacy
basically every single day that the sun rises on Tehran.
I'm like, okay, maybe, but at the same time, you
do see some very troubling statements here from the President,
and let's just put you know this whole Trump has
greenlit the attack but hasn't given the final order. I mean,
let's listen very carefully to the words that he is saying.
He's saying clearly, I want unconditional surrender. Unconditional surrender to
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Donald Trump means say he said put your hands up
and say I've had enough and let us bomb your
nuclear facilities. That's his version of unconditional surrender, not even
saying put your hands up and say, okay, fine, we
agree not to enrich any more uranium whatsoever, and we
can get into the whole IAEA thing and all of
that if we would like to. But this is a
(07:32):
very important point, and here again I ask for strategic empathy.
This is not in any way empathetic on a personal
level to the Iranian regime.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The Iranian regime.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Participated in a nuclear deal with Obama that was thrown out.
Then they participated, maybe in good faith, maybe not, but
at least in some serious negotiations with the United States
of America, and then our president basically publicly acclaimed that
those negotiations were a ruse for an Israeli military campaign. Now,
as we know right now, the ise Iranian nuclear program
(08:02):
has been degraded, but is in any no way shut down.
So put yourself in that situation where you're being asked
for quote, unconditional surrender when your regime is basically under attack.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
These are all Israeli military action at this.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Point points in only one direction, which is straight up
regime change. We saw everybody yesterday all of those strikes
that you know, the hacking of their broadcast systems, which
we'll show everybody in a little bit. But I just
think we should all put that together and say, look,
it's pretty clear here that the Ayahtola doesn't have a
lot of political maneuver in terms of the you know,
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validity of his own regime to accept some sort of
unconditional surrender. And Israel actually came out with a public
statement telling the United States there is no need to
negotiate what's right telling us what to do. So I
think we should put all that together and the look,
I mean, there is a box that we have been
painted in now by the Israelis.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
There has It's probably never made more.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Sense for Iran to sprint to a nuclear weapon then
right now, because that would be the only credible deterrence
that they have. So they have sped up the calculus
boast on their part and on our part. Again, this
is not like, this is not to say this is
good or bad. This is just purely analytical, and we
can look through a lot of history to show us why,
you know, various actors might act in a certain way.
(09:20):
So you put all that together, and I mean, I
continue to think I do not see a way out
for offensive military action.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It would genuinely have to be a true Black Swan event.
And then we also have to think about the Iranians.
I mean, at this point, if you did, you know,
accept so called unconditional surrender, I mean, what would stop
Israel from attacking you in the future.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
You have no credit.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Thereat, You're You're just a rump state, and actually you're
right for takeover from within because you know what segment
of the Iranian military or hardliners would even accept.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
That level of humiliation on a Nash level.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I mean, you really do have to put all this
together and be like, look, everybody's acting rationally, like in
their own interest, babies doing this to preserve his coalition
and because he wants America to support him.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
America.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know, Trump says I don't want them to have
any nuclear weapon, and Iran is like, well, you've boxed
this into a corner, and right now there's only one
regime on the planet threatened by the United States for
having a nuclear weapon that survives to this day. Its
name is North Korea. Why does it survived because it
has a nuclear weapon? You know, the logic of it
all is circular and it all points to war.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, Skip ahead to A six.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
This is Kenklippenstein's report about regime change. And according to Ken,
you know, the decision has already been made, he says
Trump here Trump secretly greenlit around war Israel once regime change.
The US is fine with that, according to his sources.
I spoke with Ken yesterday to see if he had
any updates here, and he said, listen, it's possible that
Trump decides that he, rather than the US being directly
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offensively involved, loads is up with all the weapons they would.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Need and just lets them do it.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And it kind of depends and this is like the
insanity of this particular president. It kind of depends on
if he thinks that'll look like cool and tough for
it to be US doing it, or whether he wants
to just let the Israelis handle it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
In the end, the difference makes no difference.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It is us ultimately, if we're providing the weapons, if
we're giving the go ahead. It's us, whether it's our
pilots or their pilots, you know, directly dropping out of
our jets or theirs. So you know, that's I think
the direction that we're heading in. That's the only question.
And the reason I say that is because you guys
probably saw that report. That the reason he decided to
(11:39):
more aggressively take credit is because he saw the coverage
on Fox News and he thought it looked cool and badass,
and he wanted to claim credit. So that's the level
that we're dealing with here. I mean, totally unserious, just
based on a whim, based on vanity. And you know,
the real original sin is when he gets down of
the JCPOA in his first term. But the more immediate sin,
(12:01):
and this is according to Trita Parsi's analysis, which I
think is correct, is when he shifts allows himself to
be shifted from Okay, we can work with you on
urania enrichment. Wikoff had some genuinely creative ideas about a
regional consortium and okay, how can we make this work
to adopting the hardliner's position of absolutely zero enrichment. There
was only one reason that the Israelis and the hardliners
(12:23):
were trying to put that requirement into place. They knew
it would be a poison pill. They knew it would
kill the negotiations, and they knew it would bring us
to exactly the place we are in right now. But
I do not want anyone to be under any illusions
that were being dragged into it or whatever. Ken also
has an interesting part in this report where he says,
this is something the Israelis have been planning for years now,
(12:45):
and under the Biden administration they tried to get the
green light. Biden said no because he was concerned about
what the fallout would be, and maybe he actually knew
that there were ninety million or someone around who knew
that there were ninety million people in Iran. You kind
of got to think about how this is all going
to work out. At least had enough concerns to hold
the Israelis off from launching these attacks. Trump, I think
(13:07):
held them off for a while and then got to
a place where Okay, go ahead, do it, and then
decides he wants to get all the way in because
it looks cool in bad.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, it's only two options.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
He either got suckered in or he approved it at
a level of conscious thinking.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Both are terrible.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Actually, I would say suckered In is probably worse, just
because that says a lot about his own judgment.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Let's put a three pleas up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I just want to continue to point everybody in the
press spice in the direction and where we are. You know,
Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the UK, put his
own cabinet on alert for a potential US attack on Iran.
It is very likely that we would alert our NATO
or at least some very very close five eyes allies
about this. There's been some speculation that it would require
the United States to take off from a British military
(13:51):
base for the m B two to actually succeed in
some sort of attack on the four toh facility if
we wanted to launch via the Indian Ocean. So it's
very possible there as well. Remember the UK also existed
in shooting down missiles in April against Iran, and it's
obviously somebody who has been supporting the United States. And
by the way, Keir Starmer also just met with Donald Trump,
(14:12):
you know, a few days ago in Canada at the
G seven. Another major indication let's put a four police
on the screen. US diplomats have been authorized to leave
the US embassy in Israel and are now being flown
out of the country by US military. So that's a
very troubling sign in terms of where things are basically
in a total evacuation at a military level here of
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the actual the non essential diplomatic corps inside of Israel.
You also see the beginning and the resumption of some
flights for citizens who are inside of Israel via United
States planes and others. So they are preparing at the
very least for a full blown military campaign. That is
not even to mention the multiple military assets on the way.
(14:54):
I mean, I don't think people understand that we have
three carrier strike groups on the way to the east.
That's crazy, Like that is a level of military force
that you would expect for an invasion of Iran, just
in terms of all of what we had around there,
because that is just the full force of all of
these guided you know, the missile destroyers and others, and
(15:16):
the platform, the aircraft refueling tankers, as well as a
naval base in Bahrain. There's been some stuff going on
at the at the air base in Qatar. I mean,
there is just this is stuff we have not seen
in the region since Iraq, like this level of military
equipment and sheer presence in the Middle East. I would
(15:36):
also tell you it costs about quarter billion a quarter
million dollars per month to sustain a single carrier strike
group just over this, so let's factor that into the bill.
And also there is the you know, the case also
of these had jobs elsewhere. One of them is literally
brought from the Indo Pacific. So okay, you know, I'm
glad nothing important is going on over there in terms
(15:58):
of this region. So the cost fit on this is huge,
and even just the sheer cost of actually sustaining the
deployment and also the things that it is pulling away from.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, so I want to emphasize something because I think
it's really important. The question, if you watch cable news
or if you listen to President Trump, is well, well,
do you want a ron to have a nuclear weapon
or not? And there's been this assumption that's just been
accepted that they were sprinting towards a weapon that they
were you know, they were weeks away or months away
or only a year away from having nuclear weapons. There
(16:30):
is simply no public evidence that exists that indicates that's
the case. Our own intelligence community said no, it is
our assessment that they are not pursuing a nuclear weapon,
and if they were to begin that it would take
three years before they even were to achieve that. But
we see no sign that they are. Now we have
the IAEA Director General coming out and saying the same,
(16:52):
we don't have proof of any sort of systematic effort
by Iron to pursue a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
This was on CNN. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
I go again to the beginning of my comment. These
things we don't know because if there was some activity
which was clandestine or hidden or away from our inspectors,
we could know. What we informed, and what we reported
was that we did not have, as in coincidence with
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some of the sources you mentioned there, that we did
not have any proof of a systematic effort to move
into a nuclear web.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So let's be really clear what we're talking about here.
They're using nuclear weapon development as a pretext. That is
not what us it's about. This is about regime collapse.
The Israelis have been pretty upfront about it. All the
cheerleaders are you know, cheering on regime change in Iran,
put us a five up on the screen. You actually
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had a satellite that was hacked in Iran for their
state run television, and what they played was this anti
regime messaging videos calling for people to rise up and
you know, for freedom and revolution against the regime. I mean,
kind of gives up the game that this is the
ultimate goal, which again they're not really making particularly hard
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to figure out based on the military targets that we've
already seen. If it's all just about the nuclear program,
why are you striking all these why are you hitting
all these targets in Tehran?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Number one and number two, they out and out say it.
I mean, BB talked about it, that it'd be great
if that was the result. Is ultimately a regime collapse,
that's what we're contemplating here.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
The new don't be distracted by this question.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh they're racing towards a nuclear weapons There is no
evidence that's the case. The reason this is happening now
is because BB was able to convince Trump to go
along with it, and they're using the nuclear weapons as
a pretext to try to effectuate regime collapse.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's where we are yes.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And look on the IAEA front, there are actually really
it's really worth going into this because this will be
the pretext under which all of this is launched.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's remember this right now.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
There is actual There are two principal or three principal
actors who are involved in the conflict Israel, the United
States and Iran. Two of them are IAEA compliant and
or members. One of them is not. It's called Israel, Okay,
Just so we're all aware, which is in direct violation
of the Non Proliferation Treaty is an undeclared nuclear power
with hundreds of nuclear warheads under its command and control,
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independent of the United States of America. So are we
really going to allow a non compliance NPT an IAEA
member to attack another for not being in compliance with
the ia It's preposterous.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It makes absolutely zero sense.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And look, I mean, this is the case that the
Vice President Jade Vance made on Twitter. Are you citing
the IAEA. He's talking about non compliance, about civilian enrichment. Iran,
as a member of the IAEA, has the actual right,
because of its acquiescence to those to at least have
some level of Richmond. Now we can quibble about the
high what is it highly enriched uranium, et cetera for
(20:05):
civilian purposes nuclear medicine and nuclear power. This is really
getting in the weeds, but the bottom line is clear. IAEA,
of which at least has some limited visibility into the.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Program, says it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The United States Intelligence Community Director of National Intelligence Telsea Gabbard,
as of three months ago, said that they are not
close to a nuclear weapon. I also point everybody to
the original announcement, because these things should live in history
and words matter. Benjamin Netan Yahoo, even in his bullshit
Intelligence World, said they could be a few months to
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a few years. He does not even offer that they
are days away from a nuclear weapon, which begs the
question why couldn't we allow just the next day, twenty
four hours later to allow Iranian diplomats to meet with
the United States diplomats. I know that none of this
will ultimately matter at the White House level, but for
the historical record, like I want people to know, on Iraq,
(20:58):
the Bush administration may its case now case was bullshit,
but they went to great lengths to manufacture the intelligence Gamember, Curveball,
nig yellow Cake, The National intelligence estimate where Dick Cheney
was driving over to the CIA and basically forcing them
to make their own clear. But they had a document, right,
they had a document which was it was it BS.
(21:18):
But they had Colon Powell present his case to the world.
They had this fake intelligence that they presented to the
United States Congress. And look, you know, you have to
give them credit. One of the reasons again they survive
is because the entire Democratic and Republican establishment bought into
the lie of the Rocky nuclear program. Here, they don't
even you know, they don't even try. They're just like
trust us.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right. Trump literally said, I don't care what she said.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's extraordinary about me about Dusty character intelligence. I mean
here again, you know, Bush held up his forgetting the
guy's name is George something, the CIA director at the time,
George Tennant.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That's the same.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And he's dragging his ass.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Out before Congress and before the media and Condoleeza Rise.
I mean, they had all of this fake intel again,
but at the time it seemed real to a lot
of people, and that was part of the legitimacy of this.
In this case, it's just trust Donald Trump. Trust the
word of Benjamin Nettan Yahoo, and when you look at
the entire public record, it is complete bullshit.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And that is the.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Part where you know, you put together the Israeli action here,
you put together you know the very basis of this attack. Oh,
we have to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
This is honestly worse than Iraq. I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, because here's the other thing is, and they know this,
this is part of the calculus. The actions that have
been taken create a logic that makes it much more
likely that they do race towards the bomb. The reason
these attacks launched when they did is not because the
diplomacy wasn't working. It's because the diplomacy was working because
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it did have a chance at succeeding. And there's no
way that the Hawks could allow that because they want
this war. So that's why we are where we are.
I think that we have that's a good transition, actually
to talk about Tulsi Gabbard and whatever's going on inside
the White House with her. Let's go and put a
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seven up on the screen. We've got some reporting from
supposedly inside of the administration here from Politico inside the
clashes between Trump and Gabbard, let me read.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
The first portion. They say.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
As President Trump privately molled joining Israel's campaign against her
on this month, one member of his cabinet sent what
he viewed as an audacious attempt to steer him in
the opposite direction. At five thirty am on June tenth,
dn I Tulci Gabbard tweeted a cryptic three minute video
warning that political elite and warmongers are carelessly fomenting fear
and tensions between nuclear powers and the world is on
(23:41):
the brink of nuclear annihilation. Trump saw the unauthorized video
and became incensed, Clint complaining to associates with the White
House she had spoken out of turn. According to three
people familiar, two of them inside the administration, all granted
anonymity to describe sensitive dynamics. So Emily and I actually
were trying to get to covering this video she put
out because it was kind of like, what is going
(24:01):
on here? It was kind of on a left field,
and she had just visited Hiroshima, and she opens the
video with that, and then she goes on to talk about,
you know, the potential disaster of nuclear conflict. I think
the assumption was that she was probably talking about Ukraine
and Russia. And maybe she was talking about Ukraine and Russia.
It's still not entirely clear, but the Trump administration effectively
(24:22):
after this video came out that he took as being
a shot at him for contemplating getting involved in a
war with Iran. They kind of iced her out. She
was not involved in the big Camp David discussions, and apparently,
you know, she's not being included in many of the
most significant meetings at this point. So just to give
you a flavor of what this was, let's play a
(24:42):
portion of this video that she had released.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
I recently visited Hiroshima in Japan and stood at the
epicenter of a city that remains scarred by the unimaginable
horror caused by a single nuclear bomb dropped in nineteen
forty five, eighty years ago. It's hard for me to
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find the words to express what I saw, the stories
that I heard, the haunting sadness that still remains. This
is an experience that will stay with me forever. This
attack obliterated the city, killed over three hundred thousand people,
many dying instantly, while others died from severe burns. Injuries, radiation,
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sickness and cancer that set in. In the following months
and years. Nagasaki suffered the same fate. Homes, schools, families
all gone in a flash. The survivors the Hibo Kusha,
they carried the pain of extreme burns, radiation, sickness, and
loss for decades. Yet this one bomb that caused so
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much destruction in Hiroshima was tiny compared to today's nuclear bombs.
The bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima had a yield
of just fifteen kilotons of T and T, whereas today's
nuclear warheads range in size from one hundred kilotons to
over one megaton. A single nuclear weapon today could.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Kill millions in just minutes. Just one of these nuclear.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Bombs would vaporize everything at its core, people, buildings, life itself.
This isn't some made up science fiction story. This is
the reality of what's at stake, what we are facing now.
Because as we stand here today, closer to the brink
of nuclear annihilation than ever before, political elite and warmongers
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are carelessly fomenting fear and tensions between nuclear powers. Perhaps
it's because they are confident that they will have access
to nuclear shelters for themselves and for their families that
regular people won't have access to.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
So, uh, Sager, what did you make of that video
at the time, and what are you reading into what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
In a newborn world when that came out, it's in retrospect,
it's pretty Look, I don't know, Yeah, maybe she was
talking about Russia. Here's the other thing, you know, for
people who we're not familiar with Tulsi. I mean, we've
interviewed her multiple times. Tulsi always talked about the reason
why she wanted to run for president was because of
that false missile alert about an incoming ballistic missile from
North Korea. Why and how impactful that was to her
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and to her constituent.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So look, I'll take her at a word.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, she definitely changed a lot of her positions,
but you do have to say, like one of the
main reasons she's ever in politics was because of her
experience in Iraq and in Afghanistan. I think just in
Iraq as a combat medic and seeing the cost of war.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's something that she.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Talked about over and over again. And you know, I
want to take her at her word for that. So
I assume that's part of the reason that she put
out that video. I wish I'd gotten to go to Hiroshima.
And you know, look, you can even think that it
was a justified decision to drop the atomic bomb, but
one of the reasons why I think it's always important
to remember is exactly what she said about the yield
on that weapon. By the way, I've been looking at
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the yield on what this bomb would be the four
doh facility, the massive massive ordnance penetrator. It's roughly half
the size of what was dropped on her. Ohia, I
think it's a six kilo time. It's a different Okay,
it's not for civilian purposes, and it's targeted to go down,
but you're going to drop it over and over again.
Just the sheer size of what that explosion is like,
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and you know, the power of destruction, and this is
a conventional, non nuclear device.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's what's part of so insane about it.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But really, what I what I come back to is
that it is clear, now guys, let's go and put
eight nine on the screen, is that Tulsi is really
being iced out by a lot of senior members of
the Trump administration. Her Senate Intelligence briefing was postponed yesterday
amid these Iran tensions. She was not included at all
in that Camp David meeting where apparently that Camp David
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meeting was about the Israeli imminent strike on Iran. At
Tucker called that out on Steve Bannon's show, and he's like,
you know why this She wasn't there, and she's like,
because it's a regime change operation. And apparently John rack
If the CIA director, is somebody who's much more comfortable
with that. And this is this is how it all works, guys.
Is that now because she works for Trump, she has
to keep her mouth shut. The White House, by the way,
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just yesterday put out a bullshit video actually editing her testimony, showing.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
A cheap fake.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It was a cheap actually, it was a cheap.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Fake where they cheap faked it to make it look
like she was warning Iron was close to a nuclear
Weapon's completely not true. Look, the historical record lives forever.
Sorry it's twenty twenty five. We can go and watch
it for ourselves and say, between the sign statement and
her statement before Congress, it could not be more clear.
I saw JD trying to pour. He's like, a lot
has changed since March. I'm like, yeah, what, go ahead
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and sholl it tell us tell us again with the
raffle they told us to buy.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
What's changed? A lot has changed it?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Okay, yeah, with the rack they did lie to us,
but they tried to tell us. They said this, oh,
yellow cake, uranium, this is the progress. This is the
estimated amount of chemical and biological stock. Tell me, now,
let my Congress vote yes or no, and I will
call his ass before he does. Okay, all of us
should be able to call our congressman and all that
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and actually hold them accountable for their vote in the future.
And by the way, that's why they're not doing it
before Congress because they would actually have to tell the
world and the United States again, there's no cold and Powell,
who's are you? I don't even know where are you
an ambassador right now? Is at least dephonic?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh, because remember they decided not to with her account remember.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Whatever there somebody can correct me about who it is.
Weal there you go wealth All right, So all right,
mister Waltz.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I think you're a liar and all this, but fine,
you know, go convene a meeting of the United States
so u N Security Council lay out the evidence at
Leigh Stevenson before the Cuban missile crisis. Remember he had
the slides and he called out the Russian ambassador in
front of his face. He said, look, mister ambassador, are
these nuclear warheads or not? You know this this is
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real life, and they want to launch a war on
this pretext. So, I mean, people can tell I'm going crazy,
but this is why it's like, genuinely, the Iraq invasion
was more justified than this one. And what they're also
trying to downplay this is like in Jurassic Park when
they realize the velociraptors are smart, is that they're like
the smart ones are like no, no, no, it's not about
regime change.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's just it's just a tip.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It's just taking out the four dough facilities, right, Yeah,
but what happens after that?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know, it's like and then then what happens after this.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well, and that's what we want to have zaab on
because he's laid out in great detail how this could
all unfold, because yeah, that's the cope now that you're
hearing from people's like, oh, it's it's not gonna be
It's gonna be fine. Like, it's not gonna be any
big deal. So limited we drop some balls on four dough,
We'll get in and out, no big deal. You guys
are all just worrying.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I hope it ends up being no big deal. I
really hope that that's the case. I would love to
be wrong, but if you aren't taking this seriously of
what could unfold here, like I just I don't know
what planet you're living in. I don't know what history
you've studied. I don't know what events you've lived through.
Because every time we've engaged, either in the full regime
change and occupy model with the rock or in the
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serie model or the Libya model, like take your pick,
tell me which one worked out well? Tell me which
has been good for the US, Which has been good
for the region, which has been good for the world,
which has been good for humanity?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Tell me which one? Because everyone has been.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
A total and complete, horrific, monstrous disaster. And that is
where we are right now today, with so many people
once again going through the same exercises, accepting even sinner
propaganda as reality. It's truly mind blowing. And you know,
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Tulsi did come out and sort of cover for Trump.
So yeah, you know, we're in line in terms of
the intelligence. He's right about everything he's saying. And if
we could jump back up to A one B because
we have a new he came to me tears in
his eyes. That just drop dropped. I mean, this is
the other piece. Is like, even as you have Tucker
and Bannon and some margin Taylor Green who are sounding
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the alarm, Bannon just told the Financial Times listen, ultimately,
whatever Trump does, we're going to be good with it.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And mag is going to be good with it. And
he's right.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And that's why Trump also doesn't care what they have
to say, because he knows at the end of the day,
they're gonna they're gonna come up with whatever justifications they
need to.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
They're gonna go along.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They're gonna say he must have intelligence that we don't
have access to, so we just have to trust him. Already,
you've got Charlie Kirk saying, oh, thank god, we've got Trump.
This is we have to trust Trump. Trump is made
for this moment. So let's go ahead and take a
listen to A one b. Trump, saying that Tucker called
him to apologize for his comments going quote unquote too far.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Do you see the Tucker Girls and Senator Ted Cruz interview.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It seems like this issue on whether or not the
United States should strike is kind of dividing a lot
of your supporters.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Now, my supporters are for me. My supporters are America first.
They make America great again. My supporters don't want to
see you around have a nuclear weapon. Tucker's nice guy.
He called and apologized the other day because he thought
he said things that were going too strong, and I
appreciated that. And Ted Cruiz is a nice guy. I mean,
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he's been with me for a whole time. I'd say
once the race was over, he's been with me ever since. Right, but.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Very simple.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
If they think that it's okay for Aron to have
a nuclear weapon, then they should oppose me. But nobody
thinks it's okay. People that don't want I don't want
to fight either. I'm not looking to fight. But if
it's a choice between fighting and them having a nuclear weapon,
you have to do what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So, as we've covered here, Tucker went out of his
way to not directly criticize Trump. I think the most
aggressive thing he said was that Trump is complicit, which
he said.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
In a newsletter.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And so when Trump came out and called Tucker kookie
and went after him a couple of times in a
single day, that was a message to them all like
you better get in line. And so now you've got
ban and saying, oh, we're going to be with him
no matter what. You've got Charlie Kirk saying things he's saying.
Marjorie Taylor Green, where is she on that Warpower's resolution?
She hasn't signed on. There is one Republican who was
signed on to the War Powers Resolution, and that is
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Thomas Massey, who is already.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
At odds with MAGA. So that's where you are.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I mean Trump put that out basically, it was like, okay,
it's time to button the knee. And there's also reporting
that calls were made from the White House dirocolated Charlie
Kirk to say you need to temper down the criticism
of this, and he fell in line.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And look, that's all going to fall in line. I mean,
actually I got Tucker, I'm not so sure. Given we'll
talk a little bit now about this interview, but yeah,
it's complete bullshit by the way, this whole apology or whatever.
But part of the reason that Trump does it is
basically to assert his own dominance over MAGA. And I'll
save some of this for polling and all of that
as to where things will go.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But things are grim. Things are very grim. It's not good.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
We have basically a full fledged lie being perpetrated from
the top of the US and Israeli government, and all
of it points in the single direction of a military
operation and regimed. I was also thinking about, you know,
even if they do get to that whole, to that
point of a deal, I mean, they're going to hold
up their hands and say, oh, we've saved you know,
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the world from that, We've saved us from the brink
of war. But I just it's not true, like they
created this horrific crisis.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
There's been real costs, but there's.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Almost no way that the actual end of this would
be today given what has now happened. There will be
a resolution at one point. It will either be regime
change in Iran, it will be any you know, an
Israeli attack, it will be a US attack or something
like that of some kind. But like what we have
now unleashed, we will be living with now for years
and years to come. The only question is a gradation
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and how bad you know they can continue to be.
Let's get to the next part here, and this is
about some of the stuff going on inside of Israel.
And look, a lot of this is very counter narrative
and it's definitely countered to a lot of what you're
going to hear on national television. Let's start with the
first one because this is very important to me. Let's
put it up there on the screen. Israel is now
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running low on defensive interceptors. So this is, according to
US officials, quote, raising concerns about the country's ability to
counter long range ballistic missiles. Now this actually fits with
something we're about to show you, which were some strikes
by the Iranian on downtown Tel Aviv or it's in
populated areas of Israel in the middle of the day. Now,
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why does this matter? And actually put this out on Twitter, Crystal.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You know there's been a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Made on cable news about the you know, stupendous Israeli
operation against the Iranians and the incompetence of the Iranian military.
You can't deny that when you have guys in a
single bunker and your whole command and control structure is
getting taken out. Yeah, that's pretty embarrassing. Not even embarrassing,
it's just basic incompetence at that level. Their ability to
basically be penetrated by Mosad and all that humiliating. But
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what does it say about Israel that they launch an
operation and less than a week later they are already
running out of interceptors. And so what does that say, Well,
it says you know who does have some interceptors?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Me actually, and me and the rest of you are
fellow US citizens. So the plan was basically, we can't
handle this on our own. They knew it from day one. Remember,
they're running low on interceptors, and according to them, they've
taken out two thirds of ballistic missile launchers. So what
if they didn't take them out, they would have run
out three days ago. And so you're actually already seeing
panic inside of Israel because they know they can look
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at the math and say, hey, this is not good.
And already were watching blistic missiles hitting various different targets.
So with all that said, guys, can we put some
of this up here on the screen and just show people,
you know, this is some of the latest that's coming
out of Israel. I mean, these are crazy ass images.
This is in the middle of the day, and this
is a major hospital. It's called the Soroka Hospital, which
according to the Israelis, it's in southern Israel, direct hit
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by Iranian missiles. Apparently it's services over a million people.
We don't even have some of the casualty figures and
all that that has come out, but I mean, look
at this, in the middle of a city. You have
a molistic missile that's come down in the middle and
it's basically leveling this entire thing. These are crazy images,
and these are in the middle of the day, not
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even launch at night. It just goes to show that
the more that Iran, even with its very limited capacity,
is able to fire, they are beginning to get through.
The Israelis claim they still got about one third of
them left. They're trying to take them out because they
have air superiority there. But look, you know, the Iranians,
they may be dumb, but they're not that dumb. One
of the things that the Iranians and the North Koreans
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have done is they have these mobile launchers which they
just drive all around constantly and have you know, camouflage
and all that specifically to maintain you know, strikeability even
if they do lose their air defense. So this is very,
very devastating inside of.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Israel, you know, suddenly, Sager, people seem to care again
about hospitals being used as military targets. Suddenly now that
now that Israel had a hospital hit, which I condemn.
I don't support that at all. I don't think hospitals
are legitimate targets. But suddenly people are concerned about that again.
So you know, I wish that would get applied across
the board. And here's the thing, israelis this is the
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world you authored, congratulations. This is the world you offered,
authored where any civilian target is totally legitimate, where there
are no no rules, no norms, nothing that's out of bounds.
That is the world that you created. So it's I mean,
it's horrific, but that's that's where we are. So you know,
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save me until I see a single one of you
condemn the multiple attacks on the entire medical system in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I'm sorry. I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, I completely agree, and I'll just
say falls a little bit on deaf ears when I
hear about civilian casualties and targeting civilian facilities like.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Hospitals, Well, how many civilians they have killed in Ron?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Is? There is there even a hospital standing left in Gaza?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Whatever somebody can.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Go and can change that are undamaged.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
For me, what I do know is that there of course,
though using this is a propaganda can pa. The Israeli
Foreign Minister came out today and said that they're going
to begin, you know, ramping up even more targets on
Iranian facilities and retaliation for this attack on the hospital.
And you know, you do see some of that going on,
but at the very least, I mean, the fact that
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they can't keep one of their largest hospitals safe from
an Iranian ballistic missile is crazy. That is just not
what was offered up. And keep in mind that a
lot of what we're able to show you is very
limited because of some censorship. Now let's also get though,
you know, to some of the other things that are
going on inside of Israel, and this is always you know,
very a whitewashed by the United States and the Western press.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But let's put B four pleas up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
The Israeli economy is really suffering right now, and also
a lot of foreigners who are inside of the country
are doing their absolute best to get out.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So here Birthright Israel.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Apparently the trip has collapsed as some twenty eight hundred
participants we're boarding cruise ships from Israel to Cyprus and
in some cases under the protection of these Rael really navy,
basically trying to get the hell out of there. Keep
in mind remember that there's been a lot of shutdown
of civilian aviation inside of the country, and you know,
looking at stuff like this, like, let's put B five
(42:12):
as well up on the screen, just to show you
what's being broadcast. You can see here a huge banner
for those who are listening is just mister President finished
the job. A massive banner across one of I think
it's a train station which has Donald Trump's face and
a major appeal here to Americans.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
But also to him in particular.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, to Trump in particular. Let's keep this in mind
as well.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
You know, is really society in life right now is
pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean let's think about this.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
You know, basically every single night and sometimes during the day,
their phones are going off about ballistic incoming miss out.
They're basically living in bomb shelters and coming up and out.
You know, variously society is completely and totally disrupted. Just
imagine you can't run an economy like that or run
a society only for a very very short period of time.
Also has revealed some pretty you know, some social schisms.
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Is that a polite way of saying it about some
of the things that are going on.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Let's go and put this.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Up there on the screen for example, B two please,
and just to show everybody some of the video you
saw some videos that were coming out of Israel, actually
of settlers and others who were locking out other settlers
of shelters. Here she says, we're going soon. There was
going to be a siren. We went to the next
doorhouse to a bomb shelter. We were not allowed in.
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They had closed the doors and closed the parking lot.
We were knocking on the door. They came out and said,
we don't have to let you in. We have no space.
So really like dystopian scene, right, And.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I believe that woman is actually a Ukrainian to a refugee. Yeah,
it was locked out because she's not Jewish. And the Palestinian,
the Palestinians who live inside of Israel and our citizens
of Israel. I mean, first of all, there's just vastly
less infrastructure in predominantly Palestinian areas, vastly fewer bomb shelters.
And then you can put V three up on the
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screen just so you know, this isn't just like a
couple tiktoks. There's reporting about the way that there is
a systematic discrimination.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
It's an apartheid society. There are some sixty five.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Laws on the books that discriminate explicitly against I'm not
even talking about the West Banka Gaza. I'm talking about
the Palestinian citizens of Israel. There are sixty five laws
on the books that discriminate explicitly against them. And then
you have the endemic social discrimination of not for you,
Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down. So yeah,
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the ugly underbelly of Israeli society really being exposed in
this moment of crisis.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, look, you can see it very clearly for yourself.
And actually there have been some Palestinians who have been
you know, who have been targeted in Israel, and apparently
they didn't have as many bomb shelters. Finally, let's put
b stix up on the screen. And this is another
very important point. This is only what we're able to
show you. Keep in mind with all these Western journalists
who inside of Israel, they're going to get their asses
kicked out if they report too much. So the IDF
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has officially updated its restrictions on reporting on any missile
drone impact sites.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Any person who prints or publishes printed matter or a
publication regarding the location of a strike hit by the
enemy or war materiel will be submit to the military
censor for approval. So military censors are running everything that
we are seeing out of the country. The only even
reason we know about this hospital is because they want
to publicize it as being hit. We have no idea
some of the other stuff that's actually been hit inside
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of the country. We have to rely on some open
source reporting and already that policy has been put into effect.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Put B seven please up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Israel has detained a phot photographer for Al Jazeera after
police say that he revealed the exact location of one
of Iranian missile strikes. Remember what they did to my
friend Trey Yanks, who had the temerity to do his
job and show that the Israeli Pentagon, which was located
in the middle of downtown Tel Aviv, was hit by
an Iranian missile and they freaked out at him on camera,
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and then multiple members of the Israeli police or the
IDF and others started targeting him, saying that he was
doing the enemy's battle damage assessment for him. So just
keep that in mind in terms of what's the stuff
that we are Look, go.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Look at the replies to when he posts stuff on Twitter,
and you'll see the reaction to him daring to be
a journalist.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Right, Yeah, they hate him, they hate his guts. So
that's what's going on inside of the country. It's chaos.
It's absolute chaos. And you know, they're projecting a vision
of you know, of we're winning the war.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
And all of this.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
But this is always what I say is, look, it's
only been less than a week. This is what if
this goes on for a month? What if this goes
on four months? Well it's not going to because Big
Daddy the United States is probably going to come and
solve all of this for you. But this, really, in
my opinion, you know, shatters the image of like this
country which can stand alone. It's like, nothing could be
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further from the truth. The fact that you can't even
go a week without running out of interceptors, even after
you pulled off these spectacular, you know, sabotage operations inside
of Iran, like this is not Look, I'm not going
to downplay the IDF's combat strength and all that on
the ground, but there's a level of technological sophistication and
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of independence of the country which is being sold right
now to the American public which is very unfortunate, and
it just could not be further from the truth.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well, and not all can't last a week, right, And
that also exposes the fact that at any time, any
American president, whether it is Joe Biden or Donald Trump,
can come in and say we're done here, You're done
with the genocide. You're not starting a war with Iran
because they are dependent on us.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
We shipped what like hundreds of hell fire missiles.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
But in advance of this attack, yes, don't play dumb,
we wanted this.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
We are involved in this this is our war.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
They cannot do anything without our support, and if we
decided we were going to pull that support.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
It would end, it would be over.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So you know, there's often an attempt to be like, oh, well,
they're a sovereign nation and that we can't just tell
them what. Yes you can, No, you actually can, because
without us they're out of interceptor missiles.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
In a week apparently, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Of course they are, because they've picked a fight with
every neighbor around them.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Practically, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Actually these are just Iranians. That's the fun. The thing
is about the the high level interceptors. You know, hamask
got things that you need to use for your intercept
that's iron dome, that's like pedestrian stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
This is Look, this is the thing. Whenever you have.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
A relatively sophisticated military, yes even one that is pretty embarrassing,
you know, like Iran, you still have some military capacity
and it shows you up. It actually does show you
how incredible the United States and British and like NATO
armed forces are and that other level of capacity that
they have. But Israel is always held up. It's like
somehow equivalent to that. It literally could not be further from,
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you know, from the truth. So keep it in mind.
You know, an American president literally can end this at
any time. This is just like Ukraine, This is just
like any of these other literal client states.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I mean, they owe their entire exist to us.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And it's pretty shocking, you know, both the censorship and
the level of capacity that they have after just less
than a week well war, I can't get over it.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think that parallel with Ukraine is an important one
to draw out because in the same way that the
right in particular understands correctly so Ukraine as a proxy
war US versus Russia. This is a proxy war course
right now, Israel versus Iran. And it's even more direct
just given our overwhelming yearly budget of supporting Israel over
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many decades, and so you know, even if we're not
yet directly involved in offensive capacity, make no mistake about it,
this is our war. We are right now engaged in
a proxy war versus Iran. And the only question is
whether or not we sort of you know, fully engage
offensively and don't just do it through our proxy client state.
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this war, but all signs not pointing in particularly good direction.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And what do we have?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
So yeah, we've got all the latest.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Obviously, Trump made a bunch of comments yesterday in the
Oval office, so we'll show you a mashup of that
and everything else that we can pull for you to
give you an indication of where things may be headed.
We're also taking a look at d and I Tulci
Gabbard and what is being reported as an increasingly strained
relationship in the White House. Interesting things to dig into there.
Inside of Israel, they are ratcheting up the censorship. In fact,
(01:05):
we have a report this morning that an Al Jazeera
photographer was detained over daring to show some of the
missile damage that Iran was able to inflict. Also, a
hospital inside of Israel was struck. And there's a bunch
of other details there too for us to get into.
The full Tucker versus Ted Guruz interview is out. We've
(01:26):
got a bunch of clips for you. I know you've
already seen Ryan and Emily covered a few of them.
There's a number war that are, if anything, even more extraordinary,
So will break those down for you. I think you'll
enjoy watching all of that. I certainly did. We also
have pulled the latest polling to try to read the
tea leaves about how people feel about potential offensive war
like US getting directly directly involved in terms of war
(01:48):
with Iran. So some very contradictory indications there. So Mari
is going to join us, who wrote a fantastic piece
about what people should know about Iran and how a
regime change or regime collapse would go would like given
his extensive knowledge of that nation, and we had to
get to this one. Obama has joined the chat. He
has some comments to offer us from on high.
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(03:00):
right now for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, so Trump making a bunch of different statements, some
of them somewhat contradictory.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to a bit
of what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
They should have made the deal. I had a great
deal for them. They should have made that deal. Sixty
days we talked about it, and in the end they
decided not to do it. And now they wish they
did it, and they want to meet, but it's it's
a little late to meet, but they want to meet,
and they want to come to the White House. I
even come to the White House, so we'll see.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I may do that.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
But it's a shame that wasn't could have been done
easy with And it's interesting because I did ask Tuckler.
I said, well, are you okay with nuclear weapons being
in the hands of Iran? And he sort of didn't
like that. He didn't want to really, but he sort
of didn't like that. And I said, well, if it's
okay with you, then you and I do have a difference.
(03:50):
But it's really not okay with him. Therefore you may
have to fight. And maybe it led, and maybe it
led very quickly, but there's no way that you can,
whether you have to fight or not, you can allow
Ran to have a nuclear weapon because the entire world
will blow up. He said, I was going back home
to make a ceasefire, not a ceasefire. Will long be
(04:14):
on ceasefire. And I said, why do you say that?
Why would you say it's a bad term to use,
because a ceasefire means like everything's going swimmingly, we'll take
a little time off. It's not We're not looking for
a ceasefire. We're looking for a total, complete victory. Again,
you know what the victory is no nuclear weapon.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
It's Iran and their prozeas who threaten to retaliate against
you and your team by killing you guys or taking
out sold Well, they haven't done that, and that would
be a terrible thing for them to do, not because
of me. If they did that, they would be obliterated.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
That'd be the end. I've left instructions.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's about fans and the positive joint.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I could expect anybody. They even suggested they come to
the White House.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's a big.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Difference, but they've suggested that they come to the White House.
That's you know, courageous, but you know it's like not
easy for them to do.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So he says there he wants total and complete victory.
And we could actually jump ahead to A two some
of the latest reporting, and guys, I want you to
take everything that comes out of his mouth, comes out
of literally any media outlet with a million grains of salt,
because all of this is, you know, incredibly strategic.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Is it the truth? Is it not the truth? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But this is an information that they the White House
wanted to be put out there. Trump privately approved of
attack plans for Iran, but has withheld the final order.
President Trump told senior aides late Tuesday he approved of
attack plans for Iran, was holding off to see if
Tehran would abandon its nuclear program. People familiar with the
deliberation said Iran's well defended FOURDO enrichment facility is a
(05:52):
possible US target, buried under a mountain generally considered by
military experts to be out of reach of all but.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
The most powerful bombs.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So that is the latest in terms of White House statements.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Look, nobody knows.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
And this is the thing with Trump himself, you know,
simultaneously he's saying, let's go ahead and invite the Iranians
to the White House. The Iranian mission at the United
Nations denied that report, saying that actually, that's not happening.
We do know the Iranian Foreign Minister has been in
somewhat intermittent communication with Steve Whitcoff to what end, again
very unclear. There was two planes that took off yesterday
(06:25):
from Tehran to Doha carrying some Iranian negotiators. There's been
no announcement from the United States to Steve Whitcoff is
meeting with them. The Ranian Foreign Minister will meet with
European Union foreign ministers today at some point in a
public form, and Iran has requested a meeting at the
UN Security Council. Basically, none of that is going to
(06:46):
necessarily do anything, but we knew that there's some diplomacy
basically every single day that the sun rises on Tehran.
I'm like, okay, maybe, but at the same time, you
do see some very troubling statements here from the President,
and let's just put you know this whole Trump has
greenlit the attack but hasn't given the final order. I mean,
let's listen very carefully to the words that he is saying.
He's saying clearly, I want unconditional surrender. Unconditional surrender to
(07:11):
Donald Trump means say he said put your hands up
and say I've had enough and let us bomb your
nuclear facilities. That's his version of unconditional surrender, not even
saying put your hands up and say, okay, fine, we
agree not to enrich any more uranium whatsoever, and we
can get into the whole IAEA thing and all of
that if we would like to. But this is a
(07:32):
very important point, and here again I ask for strategic empathy.
This is not in any way empathetic on a personal
level to the Iranian regime.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The Iranian regime.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Participated in a nuclear deal with Obama that was thrown out.
Then they participated, maybe in good faith, maybe not, but
at least in some serious negotiations with the United States
of America, and then our president basically publicly acclaimed that
those negotiations were a ruse for an Israeli military campaign. Now,
as we know right now, the ise Iranian nuclear program
(08:02):
has been degraded, but is in any no way shut down.
So put yourself in that situation where you're being asked
for quote, unconditional surrender when your regime is basically under attack.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
These are all Israeli military action at this.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Point points in only one direction, which is straight up
regime change. We saw everybody yesterday all of those strikes
that you know, the hacking of their broadcast systems, which
we'll show everybody in a little bit. But I just
think we should all put that together and say, look,
it's pretty clear here that the Ayahtola doesn't have a
lot of political maneuver in terms of the you know,
(08:34):
validity of his own regime to accept some sort of
unconditional surrender. And Israel actually came out with a public
statement telling the United States there is no need to
negotiate what's right telling us what to do. So I
think we should put all that together and the look,
I mean, there is a box that we have been
painted in now by the Israelis.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
There has It's probably never made more.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Sense for Iran to sprint to a nuclear weapon then
right now, because that would be the only credible deterrence
that they have. So they have sped up the calculus
boast on their part and on our part. Again, this
is not like, this is not to say this is
good or bad. This is just purely analytical, and we
can look through a lot of history to show us why,
you know, various actors might act in a certain way.
(09:20):
So you put all that together, and I mean, I
continue to think I do not see a way out
for offensive military action.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It would genuinely have to be a true Black Swan event.
And then we also have to think about the Iranians.
I mean, at this point, if you did, you know,
accept so called unconditional surrender, I mean, what would stop
Israel from attacking you in the future.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
You have no credit.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Thereat, You're You're just a rump state, and actually you're
right for takeover from within because you know what segment
of the Iranian military or hardliners would even accept.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
That level of humiliation on a Nash level.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I mean, you really do have to put all this
together and be like, look, everybody's acting rationally, like in
their own interest, babies doing this to preserve his coalition
and because he wants America to support him.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
America.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know, Trump says I don't want them to have
any nuclear weapon, and Iran is like, well, you've boxed
this into a corner, and right now there's only one
regime on the planet threatened by the United States for
having a nuclear weapon that survives to this day. Its
name is North Korea. Why does it survived because it
has a nuclear weapon? You know, the logic of it
all is circular and it all points to war.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, Skip ahead to A six.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
This is Kenklippenstein's report about regime change. And according to Ken,
you know, the decision has already been made, he says
Trump here Trump secretly greenlit around war Israel once regime change.
The US is fine with that, according to his sources.
I spoke with Ken yesterday to see if he had
any updates here, and he said, listen, it's possible that
Trump decides that he, rather than the US being directly
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offensively involved, loads is up with all the weapons they would.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Need and just lets them do it.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And it kind of depends and this is like the
insanity of this particular president. It kind of depends on
if he thinks that'll look like cool and tough for
it to be US doing it, or whether he wants
to just let the Israelis handle it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
In the end, the difference makes no difference.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It is us ultimately, if we're providing the weapons, if
we're giving the go ahead. It's us, whether it's our
pilots or their pilots, you know, directly dropping out of
our jets or theirs. So you know, that's I think
the direction that we're heading in. That's the only question.
And the reason I say that is because you guys
probably saw that report. That the reason he decided to
(11:39):
more aggressively take credit is because he saw the coverage
on Fox News and he thought it looked cool and badass,
and he wanted to claim credit. So that's the level
that we're dealing with here. I mean, totally unserious, just
based on a whim, based on vanity. And you know,
the real original sin is when he gets down of
the JCPOA in his first term. But the more immediate sin,
(12:01):
and this is according to Trita Parsi's analysis, which I
think is correct, is when he shifts allows himself to
be shifted from Okay, we can work with you on
urania enrichment. Wikoff had some genuinely creative ideas about a
regional consortium and okay, how can we make this work
to adopting the hardliner's position of absolutely zero enrichment. There
was only one reason that the Israelis and the hardliners
(12:23):
were trying to put that requirement into place. They knew
it would be a poison pill. They knew it would
kill the negotiations, and they knew it would bring us
to exactly the place we are in right now. But
I do not want anyone to be under any illusions
that were being dragged into it or whatever. Ken also
has an interesting part in this report where he says,
this is something the Israelis have been planning for years now,
(12:45):
and under the Biden administration they tried to get the
green light. Biden said no because he was concerned about
what the fallout would be, and maybe he actually knew
that there were ninety million or someone around who knew
that there were ninety million people in Iran. You kind
of got to think about how this is all going
to work out. At least had enough concerns to hold
the Israelis off from launching these attacks. Trump, I think
(13:07):
held them off for a while and then got to
a place where Okay, go ahead, do it, and then
decides he wants to get all the way in because
it looks cool in bad.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, it's only two options.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
He either got suckered in or he approved it at
a level of conscious thinking.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Both are terrible.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Actually, I would say suckered In is probably worse, just
because that says a lot about his own judgment.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Let's put a three pleas up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I just want to continue to point everybody in the
press spice in the direction and where we are. You know,
Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the UK, put his
own cabinet on alert for a potential US attack on Iran.
It is very likely that we would alert our NATO
or at least some very very close five eyes allies
about this. There's been some speculation that it would require
the United States to take off from a British military
(13:51):
base for the m B two to actually succeed in
some sort of attack on the four toh facility if
we wanted to launch via the Indian Ocean. So it's
very possible there as well. Remember the UK also existed
in shooting down missiles in April against Iran, and it's
obviously somebody who has been supporting the United States. And
by the way, Keir Starmer also just met with Donald Trump,
(14:12):
you know, a few days ago in Canada at the
G seven. Another major indication let's put a four police
on the screen. US diplomats have been authorized to leave
the US embassy in Israel and are now being flown
out of the country by US military. So that's a
very troubling sign in terms of where things are basically
in a total evacuation at a military level here of
(14:33):
the actual the non essential diplomatic corps inside of Israel.
You also see the beginning and the resumption of some
flights for citizens who are inside of Israel via United
States planes and others. So they are preparing at the
very least for a full blown military campaign. That is
not even to mention the multiple military assets on the way.
(14:54):
I mean, I don't think people understand that we have
three carrier strike groups on the way to the east.
That's crazy, Like that is a level of military force
that you would expect for an invasion of Iran, just
in terms of all of what we had around there,
because that is just the full force of all of
these guided you know, the missile destroyers and others, and
(15:16):
the platform, the aircraft refueling tankers, as well as a
naval base in Bahrain. There's been some stuff going on
at the at the air base in Qatar. I mean,
there is just this is stuff we have not seen
in the region since Iraq, like this level of military
equipment and sheer presence in the Middle East. I would
(15:36):
also tell you it costs about quarter billion a quarter
million dollars per month to sustain a single carrier strike
group just over this, so let's factor that into the bill.
And also there is the you know, the case also
of these had jobs elsewhere. One of them is literally
brought from the Indo Pacific. So okay, you know, I'm
glad nothing important is going on over there in terms
(15:58):
of this region. So the cost fit on this is huge,
and even just the sheer cost of actually sustaining the
deployment and also the things that it is pulling away from.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, so I want to emphasize something because I think
it's really important. The question, if you watch cable news
or if you listen to President Trump, is well, well,
do you want a ron to have a nuclear weapon
or not? And there's been this assumption that's just been
accepted that they were sprinting towards a weapon that they
were you know, they were weeks away or months away
or only a year away from having nuclear weapons. There
(16:30):
is simply no public evidence that exists that indicates that's
the case. Our own intelligence community said no, it is
our assessment that they are not pursuing a nuclear weapon,
and if they were to begin that it would take
three years before they even were to achieve that. But
we see no sign that they are. Now we have
the IAEA Director General coming out and saying the same,
(16:52):
we don't have proof of any sort of systematic effort
by Iron to pursue a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
This was on CNN. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
I go again to the beginning of my comment. These
things we don't know because if there was some activity
which was clandestine or hidden or away from our inspectors,
we could know. What we informed, and what we reported
was that we did not have, as in coincidence with
(17:21):
some of the sources you mentioned there, that we did
not have any proof of a systematic effort to move
into a nuclear web.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So let's be really clear what we're talking about here.
They're using nuclear weapon development as a pretext. That is
not what us it's about. This is about regime collapse.
The Israelis have been pretty upfront about it. All the
cheerleaders are you know, cheering on regime change in Iran,
put us a five up on the screen. You actually
(17:55):
had a satellite that was hacked in Iran for their
state run television, and what they played was this anti
regime messaging videos calling for people to rise up and
you know, for freedom and revolution against the regime. I mean,
kind of gives up the game that this is the
ultimate goal, which again they're not really making particularly hard
(18:16):
to figure out based on the military targets that we've
already seen. If it's all just about the nuclear program,
why are you striking all these why are you hitting
all these targets in Tehran?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Number one and number two, they out and out say it.
I mean, BB talked about it, that it'd be great
if that was the result. Is ultimately a regime collapse,
that's what we're contemplating here.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
The new don't be distracted by this question.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh they're racing towards a nuclear weapons There is no
evidence that's the case. The reason this is happening now
is because BB was able to convince Trump to go
along with it, and they're using the nuclear weapons as
a pretext to try to effectuate regime collapse.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's where we are yes.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And look on the IAEA front, there are actually really
it's really worth going into this because this will be
the pretext under which all of this is launched.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's remember this right now.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
There is actual There are two principal or three principal
actors who are involved in the conflict Israel, the United
States and Iran. Two of them are IAEA compliant and
or members. One of them is not. It's called Israel, Okay,
Just so we're all aware, which is in direct violation
of the Non Proliferation Treaty is an undeclared nuclear power
with hundreds of nuclear warheads under its command and control,
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independent of the United States of America. So are we
really going to allow a non compliance NPT an IAEA
member to attack another for not being in compliance with
the ia It's preposterous.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It makes absolutely zero sense.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And look, I mean, this is the case that the
Vice President Jade Vance made on Twitter. Are you citing
the IAEA. He's talking about non compliance, about civilian enrichment. Iran,
as a member of the IAEA, has the actual right,
because of its acquiescence to those to at least have
some level of Richmond. Now we can quibble about the
high what is it highly enriched uranium, et cetera for
(20:05):
civilian purposes nuclear medicine and nuclear power. This is really
getting in the weeds, but the bottom line is clear. IAEA,
of which at least has some limited visibility into the.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Program, says it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The United States Intelligence Community Director of National Intelligence Telsea Gabbard,
as of three months ago, said that they are not
close to a nuclear weapon. I also point everybody to
the original announcement, because these things should live in history
and words matter. Benjamin Netan Yahoo, even in his bullshit
Intelligence World, said they could be a few months to
(20:37):
a few years. He does not even offer that they
are days away from a nuclear weapon, which begs the
question why couldn't we allow just the next day, twenty
four hours later to allow Iranian diplomats to meet with
the United States diplomats. I know that none of this
will ultimately matter at the White House level, but for
the historical record, like I want people to know, on Iraq,
(20:58):
the Bush administration may its case now case was bullshit,
but they went to great lengths to manufacture the intelligence Gamember, Curveball,
nig yellow Cake, The National intelligence estimate where Dick Cheney
was driving over to the CIA and basically forcing them
to make their own clear. But they had a document, right,
they had a document which was it was it BS.
(21:18):
But they had Colon Powell present his case to the world.
They had this fake intelligence that they presented to the
United States Congress. And look, you know, you have to
give them credit. One of the reasons again they survive
is because the entire Democratic and Republican establishment bought into
the lie of the Rocky nuclear program. Here, they don't
even you know, they don't even try. They're just like
trust us.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right. Trump literally said, I don't care what she said.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's extraordinary about me about Dusty character intelligence. I mean
here again, you know, Bush held up his forgetting the
guy's name is George something, the CIA director at the time,
George Tennant.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That's the same.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And he's dragging his ass.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Out before Congress and before the media and Condoleeza Rise.
I mean, they had all of this fake intel again,
but at the time it seemed real to a lot
of people, and that was part of the legitimacy of this.
In this case, it's just trust Donald Trump. Trust the
word of Benjamin Nettan Yahoo, and when you look at
the entire public record, it is complete bullshit.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And that is the.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Part where you know, you put together the Israeli action here,
you put together you know the very basis of this attack. Oh,
we have to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
This is honestly worse than Iraq. I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, because here's the other thing is, and they know this,
this is part of the calculus. The actions that have
been taken create a logic that makes it much more
likely that they do race towards the bomb. The reason
these attacks launched when they did is not because the
diplomacy wasn't working. It's because the diplomacy was working because
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it did have a chance at succeeding. And there's no
way that the Hawks could allow that because they want
this war. So that's why we are where we are.
I think that we have that's a good transition, actually
to talk about Tulsi Gabbard and whatever's going on inside
the White House with her. Let's go and put a
(23:10):
seven up on the screen. We've got some reporting from
supposedly inside of the administration here from Politico inside the
clashes between Trump and Gabbard, let me read.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
The first portion. They say.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
As President Trump privately molled joining Israel's campaign against her
on this month, one member of his cabinet sent what
he viewed as an audacious attempt to steer him in
the opposite direction. At five thirty am on June tenth,
dn I Tulci Gabbard tweeted a cryptic three minute video
warning that political elite and warmongers are carelessly fomenting fear
and tensions between nuclear powers and the world is on
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the brink of nuclear annihilation. Trump saw the unauthorized video
and became incensed, Clint complaining to associates with the White
House she had spoken out of turn. According to three
people familiar, two of them inside the administration, all granted
anonymity to describe sensitive dynamics. So Emily and I actually
were trying to get to covering this video she put
out because it was kind of like, what is going
(24:01):
on here? It was kind of on a left field,
and she had just visited Hiroshima, and she opens the
video with that, and then she goes on to talk about,
you know, the potential disaster of nuclear conflict. I think
the assumption was that she was probably talking about Ukraine
and Russia. And maybe she was talking about Ukraine and Russia.
It's still not entirely clear, but the Trump administration effectively
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after this video came out that he took as being
a shot at him for contemplating getting involved in a
war with Iran. They kind of iced her out. She
was not involved in the big Camp David discussions, and apparently,
you know, she's not being included in many of the
most significant meetings at this point. So just to give
you a flavor of what this was, let's play a
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portion of this video that she had released.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
I recently visited Hiroshima in Japan and stood at the
epicenter of a city that remains scarred by the unimaginable
horror caused by a single nuclear bomb dropped in nineteen
forty five, eighty years ago. It's hard for me to
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find the words to express what I saw, the stories
that I heard, the haunting sadness that still remains. This
is an experience that will stay with me forever. This
attack obliterated the city, killed over three hundred thousand people,
many dying instantly, while others died from severe burns. Injuries, radiation,
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sickness and cancer that set in. In the following months
and years. Nagasaki suffered the same fate. Homes, schools, families
all gone in a flash. The survivors the Hibo Kusha,
they carried the pain of extreme burns, radiation, sickness, and
loss for decades. Yet this one bomb that caused so
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much destruction in Hiroshima was tiny compared to today's nuclear bombs.
The bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima had a yield
of just fifteen kilotons of T and T, whereas today's
nuclear warheads range in size from one hundred kilotons to
over one megaton. A single nuclear weapon today could.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Kill millions in just minutes. Just one of these nuclear.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Bombs would vaporize everything at its core, people, buildings, life itself.
This isn't some made up science fiction story. This is
the reality of what's at stake, what we are facing now.
Because as we stand here today, closer to the brink
of nuclear annihilation than ever before, political elite and warmongers
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are carelessly fomenting fear and tensions between nuclear powers. Perhaps
it's because they are confident that they will have access
to nuclear shelters for themselves and for their families that
regular people won't have access to.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
So, uh, Sager, what did you make of that video
at the time, and what are you reading into what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
In a newborn world when that came out, it's in retrospect,
it's pretty Look, I don't know, Yeah, maybe she was
talking about Russia. Here's the other thing, you know, for
people who we're not familiar with Tulsi. I mean, we've
interviewed her multiple times. Tulsi always talked about the reason
why she wanted to run for president was because of
that false missile alert about an incoming ballistic missile from
North Korea. Why and how impactful that was to her
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and to her constituent.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So look, I'll take her at a word.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, she definitely changed a lot of her positions,
but you do have to say, like one of the
main reasons she's ever in politics was because of her
experience in Iraq and in Afghanistan. I think just in
Iraq as a combat medic and seeing the cost of war.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's something that she.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Talked about over and over again. And you know, I
want to take her at her word for that. So
I assume that's part of the reason that she put
out that video. I wish I'd gotten to go to Hiroshima.
And you know, look, you can even think that it
was a justified decision to drop the atomic bomb, but
one of the reasons why I think it's always important
to remember is exactly what she said about the yield
on that weapon. By the way, I've been looking at
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the yield on what this bomb would be the four
doh facility, the massive massive ordnance penetrator. It's roughly half
the size of what was dropped on her. Ohia, I
think it's a six kilo time. It's a different Okay,
it's not for civilian purposes, and it's targeted to go down,
but you're going to drop it over and over again.
Just the sheer size of what that explosion is like,
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and you know, the power of destruction, and this is
a conventional, non nuclear device.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's what's part of so insane about it.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But really, what I what I come back to is
that it is clear, now guys, let's go and put
eight nine on the screen, is that Tulsi is really
being iced out by a lot of senior members of
the Trump administration. Her Senate Intelligence briefing was postponed yesterday
amid these Iran tensions. She was not included at all
in that Camp David meeting where apparently that Camp David
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meeting was about the Israeli imminent strike on Iran. At
Tucker called that out on Steve Bannon's show, and he's like,
you know why this She wasn't there, and she's like,
because it's a regime change operation. And apparently John rack
If the CIA director, is somebody who's much more comfortable
with that. And this is this is how it all works, guys.
Is that now because she works for Trump, she has
to keep her mouth shut. The White House, by the way,
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just yesterday put out a bullshit video actually editing her testimony, showing.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
A cheap fake.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It was a cheap actually, it was a cheap.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Fake where they cheap faked it to make it look
like she was warning Iron was close to a nuclear
Weapon's completely not true. Look, the historical record lives forever.
Sorry it's twenty twenty five. We can go and watch
it for ourselves and say, between the sign statement and
her statement before Congress, it could not be more clear.
I saw JD trying to pour. He's like, a lot
has changed since March. I'm like, yeah, what, go ahead
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and sholl it tell us tell us again with the
raffle they told us to buy.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
What's changed? A lot has changed it?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Okay, yeah, with the rack they did lie to us,
but they tried to tell us. They said this, oh,
yellow cake, uranium, this is the progress. This is the
estimated amount of chemical and biological stock. Tell me, now,
let my Congress vote yes or no, and I will
call his ass before he does. Okay, all of us
should be able to call our congressman and all that
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and actually hold them accountable for their vote in the future.
And by the way, that's why they're not doing it
before Congress because they would actually have to tell the
world and the United States again, there's no cold and Powell,
who's are you? I don't even know where are you
an ambassador right now? Is at least dephonic?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh, because remember they decided not to with her account remember.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Whatever there somebody can correct me about who it is.
Weal there you go wealth All right, So all right,
mister Waltz.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I think you're a liar and all this, but fine,
you know, go convene a meeting of the United States
so u N Security Council lay out the evidence at
Leigh Stevenson before the Cuban missile crisis. Remember he had
the slides and he called out the Russian ambassador in
front of his face. He said, look, mister ambassador, are
these nuclear warheads or not? You know this this is
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real life, and they want to launch a war on
this pretext. So, I mean, people can tell I'm going crazy,
but this is why it's like, genuinely, the Iraq invasion
was more justified than this one. And what they're also
trying to downplay this is like in Jurassic Park when
they realize the velociraptors are smart, is that they're like
the smart ones are like no, no, no, it's not about
regime change.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's just it's just a tip.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It's just taking out the four dough facilities, right, Yeah,
but what happens after that?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know, it's like and then then what happens after this.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well, and that's what we want to have zaab on
because he's laid out in great detail how this could
all unfold, because yeah, that's the cope now that you're
hearing from people's like, oh, it's it's not gonna be
It's gonna be fine. Like, it's not gonna be any
big deal. So limited we drop some balls on four dough,
We'll get in and out, no big deal. You guys
are all just worrying.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I hope it ends up being no big deal. I
really hope that that's the case. I would love to
be wrong, but if you aren't taking this seriously of
what could unfold here, like I just I don't know
what planet you're living in. I don't know what history
you've studied. I don't know what events you've lived through.
Because every time we've engaged, either in the full regime
change and occupy model with the rock or in the
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serie model or the Libya model, like take your pick,
tell me which one worked out well? Tell me which
has been good for the US, Which has been good
for the region, which has been good for the world,
which has been good for humanity?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Tell me which one? Because everyone has been.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
A total and complete, horrific, monstrous disaster. And that is
where we are right now today, with so many people
once again going through the same exercises, accepting even sinner
propaganda as reality. It's truly mind blowing. And you know,
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Tulsi did come out and sort of cover for Trump.
So yeah, you know, we're in line in terms of
the intelligence. He's right about everything he's saying. And if
we could jump back up to A one B because
we have a new he came to me tears in
his eyes. That just drop dropped. I mean, this is
the other piece. Is like, even as you have Tucker
and Bannon and some margin Taylor Green who are sounding
(33:02):
the alarm, Bannon just told the Financial Times listen, ultimately,
whatever Trump does, we're going to be good with it.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And mag is going to be good with it. And
he's right.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And that's why Trump also doesn't care what they have
to say, because he knows at the end of the day,
they're gonna they're gonna come up with whatever justifications they
need to.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
They're gonna go along.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They're gonna say he must have intelligence that we don't
have access to, so we just have to trust him. Already,
you've got Charlie Kirk saying, oh, thank god, we've got Trump.
This is we have to trust Trump. Trump is made
for this moment. So let's go ahead and take a
listen to A one b. Trump, saying that Tucker called
him to apologize for his comments going quote unquote too far.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Do you see the Tucker Girls and Senator Ted Cruz interview.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It seems like this issue on whether or not the
United States should strike is kind of dividing a lot
of your supporters.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Now, my supporters are for me. My supporters are America first.
They make America great again. My supporters don't want to
see you around have a nuclear weapon. Tucker's nice guy.
He called and apologized the other day because he thought
he said things that were going too strong, and I
appreciated that. And Ted Cruiz is a nice guy. I mean,
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he's been with me for a whole time. I'd say
once the race was over, he's been with me ever since. Right, but.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Very simple.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
If they think that it's okay for Aron to have
a nuclear weapon, then they should oppose me. But nobody
thinks it's okay. People that don't want I don't want
to fight either. I'm not looking to fight. But if
it's a choice between fighting and them having a nuclear weapon,
you have to do what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So, as we've covered here, Tucker went out of his
way to not directly criticize Trump. I think the most
aggressive thing he said was that Trump is complicit, which
he said.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
In a newsletter.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And so when Trump came out and called Tucker kookie
and went after him a couple of times in a
single day, that was a message to them all like
you better get in line. And so now you've got
ban and saying, oh, we're going to be with him
no matter what. You've got Charlie Kirk saying things he's saying.
Marjorie Taylor Green, where is she on that Warpower's resolution?
She hasn't signed on. There is one Republican who was
signed on to the War Powers Resolution, and that is
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Thomas Massey, who is already.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
At odds with MAGA. So that's where you are.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I mean Trump put that out basically, it was like, okay,
it's time to button the knee. And there's also reporting
that calls were made from the White House dirocolated Charlie
Kirk to say you need to temper down the criticism
of this, and he fell in line.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And look, that's all going to fall in line. I mean,
actually I got Tucker, I'm not so sure. Given we'll
talk a little bit now about this interview, but yeah,
it's complete bullshit by the way, this whole apology or whatever.
But part of the reason that Trump does it is
basically to assert his own dominance over MAGA. And I'll
save some of this for polling and all of that
as to where things will go.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But things are grim. Things are very grim. It's not good.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
We have basically a full fledged lie being perpetrated from
the top of the US and Israeli government, and all
of it points in the single direction of a military
operation and regimed. I was also thinking about, you know,
even if they do get to that whole, to that
point of a deal, I mean, they're going to hold
up their hands and say, oh, we've saved you know,
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the world from that, We've saved us from the brink
of war. But I just it's not true, like they
created this horrific crisis.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
There's been real costs, but there's.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Almost no way that the actual end of this would
be today given what has now happened. There will be
a resolution at one point. It will either be regime
change in Iran, it will be any you know, an
Israeli attack, it will be a US attack or something
like that of some kind. But like what we have
now unleashed, we will be living with now for years
and years to come. The only question is a gradation
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and how bad you know they can continue to be.
Let's get to the next part here, and this is
about some of the stuff going on inside of Israel.
And look, a lot of this is very counter narrative
and it's definitely countered to a lot of what you're
going to hear on national television. Let's start with the
first one because this is very important to me. Let's
put it up there on the screen. Israel is now
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running low on defensive interceptors. So this is, according to
US officials, quote, raising concerns about the country's ability to
counter long range ballistic missiles. Now this actually fits with
something we're about to show you, which were some strikes
by the Iranian on downtown Tel Aviv or it's in
populated areas of Israel in the middle of the day. Now,
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why does this matter? And actually put this out on Twitter, Crystal.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You know there's been a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Made on cable news about the you know, stupendous Israeli
operation against the Iranians and the incompetence of the Iranian military.
You can't deny that when you have guys in a
single bunker and your whole command and control structure is
getting taken out. Yeah, that's pretty embarrassing. Not even embarrassing,
it's just basic incompetence at that level. Their ability to
basically be penetrated by Mosad and all that humiliating. But
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what does it say about Israel that they launch an
operation and less than a week later they are already
running out of interceptors. And so what does that say, Well,
it says you know who does have some interceptors?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Me actually, and me and the rest of you are
fellow US citizens. So the plan was basically, we can't
handle this on our own. They knew it from day one. Remember,
they're running low on interceptors, and according to them, they've
taken out two thirds of ballistic missile launchers. So what
if they didn't take them out, they would have run
out three days ago. And so you're actually already seeing
panic inside of Israel because they know they can look
(38:23):
at the math and say, hey, this is not good.
And already were watching blistic missiles hitting various different targets.
So with all that said, guys, can we put some
of this up here on the screen and just show people,
you know, this is some of the latest that's coming
out of Israel. I mean, these are crazy ass images.
This is in the middle of the day, and this
is a major hospital. It's called the Soroka Hospital, which
according to the Israelis, it's in southern Israel, direct hit
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by Iranian missiles. Apparently it's services over a million people.
We don't even have some of the casualty figures and
all that that has come out, but I mean, look
at this, in the middle of a city. You have
a molistic missile that's come down in the middle and
it's basically leveling this entire thing. These are crazy images,
and these are in the middle of the day, not
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even launch at night. It just goes to show that
the more that Iran, even with its very limited capacity,
is able to fire, they are beginning to get through.
The Israelis claim they still got about one third of
them left. They're trying to take them out because they
have air superiority there. But look, you know, the Iranians,
they may be dumb, but they're not that dumb. One
of the things that the Iranians and the North Koreans
(39:27):
have done is they have these mobile launchers which they
just drive all around constantly and have you know, camouflage
and all that specifically to maintain you know, strikeability even
if they do lose their air defense. So this is very,
very devastating inside of.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Israel, you know, suddenly, Sager, people seem to care again
about hospitals being used as military targets. Suddenly now that
now that Israel had a hospital hit, which I condemn.
I don't support that at all. I don't think hospitals
are legitimate targets. But suddenly people are concerned about that again.
So you know, I wish that would get applied across
the board. And here's the thing, israelis this is the
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world you authored, congratulations. This is the world you offered,
authored where any civilian target is totally legitimate, where there
are no no rules, no norms, nothing that's out of bounds.
That is the world that you created. So it's I mean,
it's horrific, but that's that's where we are. So you know,
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save me until I see a single one of you
condemn the multiple attacks on the entire medical system in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I'm sorry. I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, I completely agree, and I'll just
say falls a little bit on deaf ears when I
hear about civilian casualties and targeting civilian facilities like.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Hospitals, Well, how many civilians they have killed in Ron?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Is? There is there even a hospital standing left in Gaza?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Whatever somebody can.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Go and can change that are undamaged.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
For me, what I do know is that there of course,
though using this is a propaganda can pa. The Israeli
Foreign Minister came out today and said that they're going
to begin, you know, ramping up even more targets on
Iranian facilities and retaliation for this attack on the hospital.
And you know, you do see some of that going on,
but at the very least, I mean, the fact that
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they can't keep one of their largest hospitals safe from
an Iranian ballistic missile is crazy. That is just not
what was offered up. And keep in mind that a
lot of what we're able to show you is very
limited because of some censorship. Now let's also get though,
you know, to some of the other things that are
going on inside of Israel, and this is always you know,
very a whitewashed by the United States and the Western press.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But let's put B four pleas up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
The Israeli economy is really suffering right now, and also
a lot of foreigners who are inside of the country
are doing their absolute best to get out.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So here Birthright Israel.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Apparently the trip has collapsed as some twenty eight hundred
participants we're boarding cruise ships from Israel to Cyprus and
in some cases under the protection of these Rael really navy,
basically trying to get the hell out of there. Keep
in mind remember that there's been a lot of shutdown
of civilian aviation inside of the country, and you know,
looking at stuff like this, like, let's put B five
(42:12):
as well up on the screen, just to show you
what's being broadcast. You can see here a huge banner
for those who are listening is just mister President finished
the job. A massive banner across one of I think
it's a train station which has Donald Trump's face and
a major appeal here to Americans.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
But also to him in particular.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, to Trump in particular. Let's keep this in mind
as well.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
You know, is really society in life right now is
pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean let's think about this.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
You know, basically every single night and sometimes during the day,
their phones are going off about ballistic incoming miss out.
They're basically living in bomb shelters and coming up and out.
You know, variously society is completely and totally disrupted. Just
imagine you can't run an economy like that or run
a society only for a very very short period of time.
Also has revealed some pretty you know, some social schisms.
(43:04):
Is that a polite way of saying it about some
of the things that are going on.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Let's go and put this.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Up there on the screen for example, B two please,
and just to show everybody some of the video you
saw some videos that were coming out of Israel, actually
of settlers and others who were locking out other settlers
of shelters. Here she says, we're going soon. There was
going to be a siren. We went to the next
doorhouse to a bomb shelter. We were not allowed in.
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They had closed the doors and closed the parking lot.
We were knocking on the door. They came out and said,
we don't have to let you in. We have no space.
So really like dystopian scene, right, And.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I believe that woman is actually a Ukrainian to a refugee. Yeah,
it was locked out because she's not Jewish. And the Palestinian,
the Palestinians who live inside of Israel and our citizens
of Israel. I mean, first of all, there's just vastly
less infrastructure in predominantly Palestinian areas, vastly fewer bomb shelters.
And then you can put V three up on the
(44:01):
screen just so you know, this isn't just like a
couple tiktoks. There's reporting about the way that there is
a systematic discrimination.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
It's an apartheid society. There are some sixty five.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Laws on the books that discriminate explicitly against I'm not
even talking about the West Banka Gaza. I'm talking about
the Palestinian citizens of Israel. There are sixty five laws
on the books that discriminate explicitly against them. And then
you have the endemic social discrimination of not for you,
Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down. So yeah,
(44:33):
the ugly underbelly of Israeli society really being exposed in
this moment of crisis.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, look, you can see it very clearly for yourself.
And actually there have been some Palestinians who have been
you know, who have been targeted in Israel, and apparently
they didn't have as many bomb shelters. Finally, let's put
b stix up on the screen. And this is another
very important point. This is only what we're able to
show you. Keep in mind with all these Western journalists
who inside of Israel, they're going to get their asses
kicked out if they report too much. So the IDF
(45:00):
has officially updated its restrictions on reporting on any missile
drone impact sites.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Any person who prints or publishes printed matter or a
publication regarding the location of a strike hit by the
enemy or war materiel will be submit to the military
censor for approval. So military censors are running everything that
we are seeing out of the country. The only even
reason we know about this hospital is because they want
to publicize it as being hit. We have no idea
some of the other stuff that's actually been hit inside
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of the country. We have to rely on some open
source reporting and already that policy has been put into effect.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Put B seven please up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Israel has detained a phot photographer for Al Jazeera after
police say that he revealed the exact location of one
of Iranian missile strikes. Remember what they did to my
friend Trey Yanks, who had the temerity to do his
job and show that the Israeli Pentagon, which was located
in the middle of downtown Tel Aviv, was hit by
an Iranian missile and they freaked out at him on camera,
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and then multiple members of the Israeli police or the
IDF and others started targeting him, saying that he was
doing the enemy's battle damage assessment for him. So just
keep that in mind in terms of what's the stuff
that we are Look, go.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Look at the replies to when he posts stuff on Twitter,
and you'll see the reaction to him daring to be
a journalist.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Right, Yeah, they hate him, they hate his guts. So
that's what's going on inside of the country. It's chaos.
It's absolute chaos. And you know, they're projecting a vision
of you know, of we're winning the war.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
And all of this.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
But this is always what I say is, look, it's
only been less than a week. This is what if
this goes on for a month? What if this goes
on four months? Well it's not going to because Big
Daddy the United States is probably going to come and
solve all of this for you. But this, really, in
my opinion, you know, shatters the image of like this
country which can stand alone. It's like, nothing could be
(46:51):
further from the truth. The fact that you can't even
go a week without running out of interceptors, even after
you pulled off these spectacular, you know, sabotage operations inside
of Iran, like this is not Look, I'm not going
to downplay the IDF's combat strength and all that on
the ground, but there's a level of technological sophistication and
(47:12):
of independence of the country which is being sold right
now to the American public which is very unfortunate, and
it just could not be further from the truth.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well, and not all can't last a week, right, And
that also exposes the fact that at any time, any
American president, whether it is Joe Biden or Donald Trump,
can come in and say we're done here, You're done
with the genocide. You're not starting a war with Iran
because they are dependent on us.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
We shipped what like hundreds of hell fire missiles.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
But in advance of this attack, yes, don't play dumb,
we wanted this.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
We are involved in this this is our war.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
They cannot do anything without our support, and if we
decided we were going to pull that support.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
It would end, it would be over.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So you know, there's often an attempt to be like, oh, well,
they're a sovereign nation and that we can't just tell
them what. Yes you can, No, you actually can, because
without us they're out of interceptor missiles.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
In a week apparently, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Of course they are, because they've picked a fight with
every neighbor around them.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Practically, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Actually these are just Iranians. That's the fun. The thing
is about the the high level interceptors. You know, hamask
got things that you need to use for your intercept
that's iron dome, that's like pedestrian stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
This is Look, this is the thing. Whenever you have.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
A relatively sophisticated military, yes even one that is pretty embarrassing,
you know, like Iran, you still have some military capacity
and it shows you up. It actually does show you
how incredible the United States and British and like NATO
armed forces are and that other level of capacity that
they have. But Israel is always held up. It's like
somehow equivalent to that. It literally could not be further from,
(48:49):
you know, from the truth. So keep it in mind.
You know, an American president literally can end this at
any time. This is just like Ukraine, This is just
like any of these other literal client states.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I mean, they owe their entire exist to us.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And it's pretty shocking, you know, both the censorship and
the level of capacity that they have after just less
than a week well war, I can't get over it.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think that parallel with Ukraine is an important one
to draw out because in the same way that the
right in particular understands correctly so Ukraine as a proxy
war US versus Russia. This is a proxy war course
right now, Israel versus Iran. And it's even more direct
just given our overwhelming yearly budget of supporting Israel over
(49:30):
many decades, and so you know, even if we're not
yet directly involved in offensive capacity, make no mistake about it,
this is our war. We are right now engaged in
a proxy war versus Iran. And the only question is
whether or not we sort of you know, fully engage
offensively and don't just do it through our proxy client state.
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