June 6, 2025 • 53 mins
Krystal, Ryan and Emily discuss Elon and Trump exploding, Bannon calls for Elon deportation, Israel arming ISIS and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Happy Friday, everybody, Emily, great to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Great to see you.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Were waiting on Ryan Grimm, but he should pop up shortly.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
He'll make his grand entrance any moment. Now. You already
made this joke. What are we going to talk about today?
Just how you know that it's brilliant and original. We
missed you yesterday when Ryan and I did our Breaking News,
So I'm excited to get your thoughts on this whole
(00:57):
elon Trump meltdown debacle. I mean, what are your top line,
what are your reflections on what's unfolded thus far.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
So this is I was wrong.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I said on the show many many times that I
expected not a massive explosion in the relationship. But what
we saw literally until yesterday is what I thought was
the likeliest scenario, which is that it would be a
slow disentangling where everyone can save face because they both
are very powerful and both have so much to lose. Ye. Now,
(01:31):
what's interesting I think is all of this happened after
Elon Musk came out and said he's done with political donations,
and so I think the transactionality of the relationship was
really hurt by the Wisconsin election that we covered, and
was really hurt by Elon Musk saying he can't He's
not even going to donate, and that I think made
(01:51):
it easier for everything to ultimately blow up.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, that changed the calculation on the on Trump's part
at least, and then Elon's calculation seemed to be changed
somewhat by Trump pulling the plug on his NASA pick.
Because when Elon couldn't have his guy at NASA to
shepherd through his SpaceX contracts and whatever to fulfill his
Grand Mars ambitions, that seemed to have somewhat changed his calculus.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Hey Ryan, how's it going pretty good?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So we're gonna I have like one million elements pulled
on Elon versus Trump to go through just things that
transpired since Ryan and I did our breaking segment yesterday.
We also have media Benjamin from Code Pink, who's going
to join Legendary Activists. They just did an action with
at ruppers out of Randy Fines's office. He's the one
who called for Gaza to be nuked, so always really inspiring.
(02:44):
Great to talk to her, so she's going to join.
That'll probably be all we get through for the free
show for premium subscribers. We've got some more stuff we're
going to jump into. There's Zoron continuing to get asked
his thoughts on Israel, which is that's interesting and of itself.
We've got the KJPE stuff that we didn't get to
in yesterday's show because there was too much other stuff
(03:04):
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(03:26):
which he has decided to make a threat for the
audience to coerce them into.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You do agree doing.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
That, You do not want to be doing that. And
in the back half of the show, we can also
talk about something I just broke, which is that next
week the House is planning to vote on a resolution
that would deem the phrase free Palestine to be quote
an anti Semitic slogan.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Jesus.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
They've tucked it into a resolution that condemns the Colorado
terrorist attack in Boulder. But if you vote for that
to condemn that attack, you're voting for language that says
that Palestine as an anti Semitic slogan that calls for
the discussion of Jewish people.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Wow, that is so devious. To put those two things
together is so just incredibly devious.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
All Right.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I struggled with how to start.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The Elon Trump feud portion, so I thought we would
start with, you know, the absolute most important news here,
which is that Elon Musk has unsubscribed and unfollowed cat Tured.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know, it's truly an end of an era.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Why did he do this? He's going to miss out
on all of these insights.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I mean, Catured will still probably be in his feed,
but depending on I guess how Elon rearranges the algorithm
now for this new era.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But it is pretty funny, he says.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Catured says breaking Elon Musk has unsubscribed and unfollowed me.
Alex Jones says he's not in my Trump cult. Many
large influencer accounts desperately tried to stay neutral today. I've
never changed in years. If you want to criticize Trump's bill,
no problem. If you don't like Trump's policies, no problem.
I'm okay with that. If you don't like Trump's tariffs,
I'll listen to yourself. But when you come out and
call Trump a pedophile, that's when you've crossed a red line.
(05:04):
Don't care about anything you have to say after that, Emily.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
First of all, it was for Elon Musk, Like it
started to be clear. Elon Musk started this by saying
that tweet he posted, what was it Monday or Tuesday?
He posted one saying I can't hold it in any longer.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
The bill is abominable. What did you call it? A bominable?
A disgrace?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
And that was I mean before his criticism of the
bill had been muted, and I would say civil and polite,
And then he posted that and they could no longer
do this dance pretending that they were all on the
same page and it was just a happy marriage. So
to go from that, I mean, this is not zero
to one hundred, This is zero to one thousand.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
To your in the.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Epstein files, Musk created a problem for himself, which is basically,
I helped elect a guy in the Epstein files, despite
apparently being really serious about him, said that I loved
him as much as any straight man could love another man,
and then working for his administration just it creates a
(06:16):
problem for himself.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, oh, no doubt about it. I'll pull this up.
So there's some reporting. It's been kind of interesting Trump's
response because Elon has gone as scorched earth as you
possibly can, right, bringing in Epstein saying you only won
the election because of me, which is another admission, right
that this richest man on the planet believes that he
(06:39):
was able to successfully buy the presidency of the United
States is like also an extraordinary admission there. So he
has gone as scorched earth as he possibly can. And
my senses, Trump has been somewhat restrained, Like he definitely
has not gone as hard in response as Elon has. Now,
maybe that's because Trump has a lot more than just
(07:02):
rhetorical arrows that he could shoot at Elon, right he
you know, he threatened Elon's government subsidies for and you know,
contracts for SpaceX, which would be really damaging for now,
we really rely on SpaceX, both in terms of starlink
and in terms of you know, the International Space Station
all this stuff, which again is another commentary on how
(07:24):
much this one guy and this gigantic monopoly, like how
dependent as a country you've become on you know, this monopoly.
But Trump has the power to pull those contracts to
investigate Elon ban and I've got all of a bunch
of clips from him calling for Elon to be investigated
and you know deported for his you know, entering the
country and of false pretensers O're staying his visa or whatever,
(07:46):
the immigration fraud allegedly as with regard to him. So
maybe the reason why Trump rhetorically has been a little
bit uh muted, is because he has so much more
that he can actually do to Elon's so much more
halfed really ultimately than Elon has and on the screen.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
These are the two true social posts that Trump has.
And he was responding to reporters yesterday too, but these
are the two true social posts he's posted so far.
Elon I think is up to dozens, like he's in
the dozens. Oh yeah, of course of the week I
think politically, yeah, like seventy and that was before yesterday,
So it's.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Which is actually a diminished pace on for Elon.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
But yes, no, just on Trump is what they counted, Yeah,
which is something else.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Ryan, There was Politico reporting that there was a possible daytonte.
Signs of a truce are aberging and increasingly bitter clash.
Trump projected an Arab nonchalance in an interview Thursday with Politico.
White House aids, after working to persuade the President to
temper his public criticism of Musk to avoid escalation, scheduled
(08:52):
a call Friday with Elon to broker a piece. Oh
it's okay, Trump told Politico in a brief telephone call
when asked about the very public breakup, It's going very well.
Never done better. Trump went on to toubt his favorability rating, saying,
the numbers are through the roof of the highest poles I've
ever had, and I and I have to go. But
this morning we have reporting from Jonathan and Carl saying
(09:16):
that no, there is no phone call planned. Let me
see if I can pull this one up as well,
so we can see it in a phone conversation. This morning,
Trump told me Elon Musk is the man who has
lost his mind. Trump did not, however, seem angry or
even concerned about the few deus who reports there's going
to be a Trump Musk call schedule for today. Trump
told me he is not particularly interested in talking to Musk,
(09:37):
although he says Musk wants to talk to him, which,
if true, is you know, interesting dynamic.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
There as well.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Yeah, it shows Trump very much believes that he's winning
this breakup and also understood that Elon was becoming quite
a drag on him, and that the louder he breaks
up with him, the less that that drag affects him
going forward.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know not, and the more he can blame anything
bad that happens is in his administration on Elon screwing.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Up with those Yes, right, you certainly you literally could.
Although it's it's tough because it's like people are gonna
be like, well, who hired Elon in the first place?
But yeah, he he loves to like blame you know,
John Bolton or whoever, and and talk about them as
the biggest morons that have ever existed without even like
(10:30):
bothering to reconcile the the question of well, then why
should we trust your one that brought this moron in
here in the first place? But whatever? Carry on? Uh,
I wonder if this uh you know, there's a lot
of glee on the left about this, But is is
(10:52):
is now the kind of Stephen Miller wing just kind
of completely unshackled, Like was there any useful moderating force
that Musk might have been playing? Emily, you think that
now isn't being played?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
No, I don't think so, And I don't think well
because we should.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Just have glee.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I can't think of a way in which Elon Musk
would have been a moderating force unless it was just
purely on climate related provisions, like if you're disentangling build
back better or something like that, but I don't even
know that there's much evidence he was doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, we don't see any indication that there was holding
back on that. I mean, I guess the area I
would say is maybe like on the tariffs, not Elon specifically,
but having the like tech right in the coalition. But
it seems to me like the moderating factor on the
tariffs is more the bond market than it was you know.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Target CEO.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, yeah, Sovarro.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Immediately attacked Elon Musk over the tariff thing, and like
was talking about how he's just an assembler and not
a manufacturer. So I think they were less less listening
to Musk and it was more Trump peering from who
was in the Oval office or no, he watched Jamie
Diamond on Morgan Mornings with Maria, that's.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Right, and had Charles Schwab.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Right in the hell of a day. Yeah, no, that's right.
I mean, there's so many interesting aspects of this. There's
also everybody's waiting for what Jade Vance was going to say,
who was apparently recording a podcast with the Ovon which
is going to be interesting as well. And Vance finally
weighed in with kind of a it was kind of
like a weird I don't know, what do you guys
(12:43):
think of this tweet? He says at ten thirty pm. Right,
so this is hours after the Internet has had everything
to say about this dispute, and there's been so much
back and forth in Epstein and you should be impeached.
And one of the things that Elon said is that
Trump should be impeached and Jade Vance replace him. And
so this is what Jadie Vance said. He said, President
Trump has done more than any person in my lifetime
(13:05):
to earn the trust of the movement. He leads, I'm
proud to stand beside him. I don't know what did
you guys think of this INSERTI because I mean, part
of the reason why there's intrigue around Jadie Vance is
he's on the ticket because of Elon and Peter tile
and the tech right Like he is Peter Teel's protege.
Peter Teel funded his seate campaign and you know, funded
(13:28):
his career, and that is really the reason why he
ends up being the vice presidential pick. So everyone's kind
of watching, like, all right, who's whose side side are
you going to be on? How are you going to
play this out because the the assumption was that he's
there to be kind of their inside man and to
make it so that after Trump leaves, they get their
(13:50):
guy in the White House or at least as the
Republican nominee after you know, after Trump is done.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
The thing that stood out to me in that and Ryan,
I'm curious because you like literally written books about this
on the left, but on the right. When jd Vance
says to earn the trust, that to me was reflective
of some type of I think small, not significant, but
some type of concern that Elon Musk could split the
(14:18):
MAGA movement. And what Jadvance was signaling there is continue
to trust Trump right quote unquote trust Trump, and that
to me is very interesting that they are worried that
maybe some people peel off and go with Elon. I
think what we saw happen over the course of the
day yesterday is basically it looked like Trump people were
(14:40):
with Trump. They were there for Trump first and foremost,
but there it seemed like there may have been some
anxiety about where the Doge Bros Elon people go.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Ultimately, the complicating factor in all this is that you know,
Donald Trump Junior played a significant role in lobbying his
father to put JD. Vance on the ticket. So, but
that that's and that's related to Donald Trump Junior's, you know,
dalliance with all of these you know, oligarchs, as the
(15:10):
family is trying to kind of take what it sees
is it's rightful place alongside the rest of these these oligarchs.
And so there's that, there is that link. So it's
in an unusual way and in a in a kind
of aristocratic way, you know, brought together, you know, the
families bring bring them together. So I do think that, yeah,
what Jade Vance is reflecting is the same thing that
(15:32):
that Trump was seeing, that that he's winning this that
even though Elon Musk is you know, buying ink by
the barrel. Uh, even even though he's got this like
army of sycophants out on Twitter who he pays to
say nice things about him, Trump is still Trump, and
Trump still captures the respect and the imagination of the
(15:52):
MAGA movement. And so far I don't see it. You
know that the big beautiful Bill may fall apart for
other reasons, but so far it doesn't. Even though this
whole fight was about that, it doesn't seem, at least
from my perspective, to be doing any real damage to it. Emily,
Or are you seeing people saying like, oh, we need
(16:16):
to revisit this in the light of Musk's criticism.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
No, it's the opposite, truly, it's so imposite.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
There was all of this momentum before Elon went nuclear
on BBB that it was putting the screws to leadership
and actually terrifying them, like they were freaked out about
this bill crashing and burning, which again we've talked about
many times. They need this from their perspective, it's not
like an optional part of them having done all of
these tariffs.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
It's a necessary part of it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
They didn't think it would be a problem, and they
were getting rand Paul Ron Johnson, potentially Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski,
but even just having rand Ron Johnson, potentially Mike Lee
who had been interacting with Elon Musk sort of civilly.
So they were having real problems with this, And now
what happens is Elon Musk has for MAGA. If you're
(17:05):
worried about getting re elected by Republican voters and particularly
hardcore MAGA voters, Elon Musk has made it Trump versus
this disloyal oligarch. I'm not saying that's the right framing,
but I'm saying that's the framing that MAGA is going
to see it through now. And so it actually is
going to make it easier for leadership to get a
deal because now they have more leverage in that. If
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you're Mike Lee or if you are Ron Johnson, you
don't want to look like you are taking Elon Musk's
side in all of this. And so I think there's
still going to be significant corrections to the bill. I
shouldn't say corrections, that's the wrong word, but like corrections
in their direction.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
They want to make more cuts. I think they're going
to get that.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
But it's made it easier for leadership to get from
point A to point B for sure, because now part
of the leverage they have is you look disloyal, You
look like you're signing with Elon. If you continue to
publicly make all of the create this public movement, this
public campaign against BBB, you look like you're siding with
Elon Musk over Trump.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, and what some of the MAGA people, including I
don't know if Steve Bannon has come out and said this,
but allude to the fact that basically their view is
Elon is effectively trying to effectuate some sort of a coup,
you know. I mean, and look fair enough when he's
tweeting like impeach the guy and put it install Janie
Vans instead, like he's kind of announcing his intentions there.
So fair, But you know, Bannon is going all in,
(18:36):
going very hard in the paint in ways that I
really can't particularly disagree with. So let's go ahead and
take a listen to a little bit of what he's
been saying Trump should do in response to these books
by Elon.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
He's a no at all. He knows some engineering, don't
get me wrong. I give ahead tip for that, but
he doesn't know anything about the real world.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Doge was for any boys this exist, Well, you're wrapping
up in your cape tonight.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Understand on Doge, he didn't And any fraud. There's plenty
of fraud out there in front.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
This is President Trump's first complaint was this all bs
right with the with with the Doge?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
The action should that President Trump should be taking immediately.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I think when he threatens to take one of the
big programs out of SpaceX. President Trump tonight should sign
an executive order calling for the Defensive Production Act to
be called in SpaceX and sees SpaceX tonight before midnight.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Sees SpaceX tonight before midnight. And look, I think SpaceX
should be nationalized because.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It really does.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
This whole situation really does illustrate two things. Number one,
the fact that you have Trump operating like this, you know,
benana republic dictator who will pull your contracts if you
disobey him, and you know, weaponizing the federal government. Everyone
just like accepts that's the way he's operating. But number two,
that you have this oligarch who runs this monopoly that
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our country in significant ways actually truly is dependent on.
So ban and identify, you know, pretty instinctively what even
though Trump has a much stronger hand to play here,
that there are weaknesses that Musk is you know, is
in position to exploit because of having this gigantic monopoly
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that is so significant in terms of you know, communications
with the satellites, with the space program. And so he's saying, listen,
you can't let him, you can't let him continue to
have these choice because he will use them against you. You
got to pull the pin on this right away tonight.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
So that's why I also, well, I was gonna say
that's why I also predicted a more muted divorce. I mean,
I agreed with everyone that a divorce was coming, but like,
the stakes here unbelievable. And I think that's why Politico
is reporting that they have a call scheduled for today
because you know, despite this kinetic breakup is kinetic like
war that we're they're in right now, they have so
(20:52):
both of them have so much on the line to
be throwing accusations about Epstein on the internet at each
other like a bunch of teenage boys.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah, to be Starlink is the one that is the
real threat to sovereignty.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, agreed like that, Well, think.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Of what how he used it communication.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Think of how he used it with Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Like, regardless of what you think about you know, the
Ukraine Warren, whether it was sorry decision or not, he
was like, I don't want you attacking Crimea, so you
are not going to have access to starlink in Crimea
and the Ukrainians really significantly depend on Starlink for comms,
and you know, like it's I saw a stat I
think something like ninety percent of the weight that's been
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shot up into space via you know, satellites has come
from SpaceX. They have really taken the lead in terms of,
you know, we've we decided and this was really a
kind of Obama error decision to outsource our own capacity,
our own space capacity, to the private sector, and Elon
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has become the primary you know, beneficiary and contractor in
that world. And so you know, that's not only these
whimsical flights of fantasy in terms of We're going to
colonize Mars, but more immediately, it is that that like
communications backbone that is incredibly important and he right now
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has control over. So Bannon, you know, immediately is like
you got to you got to do something about this
because this is a weakness that he could exploit.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Although if the US is going to start nationalizing companies,
I think they've first they've got to win the confidence
of the American people that they can actually run them. First,
you got to like get your air traffic controler towers working,
like the do the basic stuff that we could do
in the nineteen seventies, yeah, effectively, and then we'll talk
about going to space again.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I have some more Bannon here for us to react to,
because I do think the things he has to say
are pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, absolutely, let me go ahead and put this out.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But he's, you know, and he's been critical of Elon
the whole time, and at times pretty viciously critical of
Elon because Elon is this, you know, has this like,
in my opinion, evil transm like anti human ideology that
you know, Bannon also sees that way. In any case,
let's take a listen to how he talks about this dispute.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Elon Musk is working for himself.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
President Trump empowered him more than anyone's ever been empowered
in this government, had his back, promoted this guy. And
when people like me who said you're making a mistake, right,
this is a bad guy. He's going to turn on you.
He's not with us. He's also totally incompetent. And President
Trump said, hey, give this guy a shot. And I
(23:38):
trust President Trump's judgment and often say, as people know,
I backed off a little, right now, if I packed
off a little, but.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
It's not about observation.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
As soon as he didn't think he ran the deal
or got the adoration right that he was starting to
be saying, where's.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
The tree in dollars? Right? He turned on President Trump,
but most importantly he turned on the country and the
American people.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
And President Trump just had enough of it now and
he forced his way back in to have like some
last day.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
They didn't want to do that, but fine.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
And then as soon as President Trump comes out today
and President Trump saying it in the nicest way possible
about right the bill, but being banged back, the guy
gets up and start the most vicious stuff you could tweet.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
So all the fanboys defend this.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
He accused President Trump and basically being to a group
with those of pedophiles on the island. He called for
he called for the president to be impeached and JD.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Vance to take his role.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
As hard as we've worked in all the years that
we've walked in, this audience's works on. Punk is going
to sit there and go he's always should be impeached.
And hey, as sure as the turning of the earth,
if those progressors rub up on him and say, hey,
they're never gonna buy the they're never going to buy
the Tesla's where they're going to buy the Tesla's they
rub up on him, He'll write a five hundred million
dollar check for a king Jefferies. He'll be across the
(24:50):
thing looking to impeach President Trump, looking to help steal
the twenty eight election.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Look into a prison President Trump. So here's my point,
let's get ahead of it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
So those progresses, Ryan, they rub up on him. He'll
be there with his five don't and they're already rubbing
up on him.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Glacias. Yeah, Rocanna out there ready to rub up on him.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
So and he's he's saying, you might get ahead of it.
Then he says, he says, we should deport him and
see his companies. I mean, Bannon does not play around.
He's he's laying down. He's laying down a marker.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And yesterday I was saying that there was this he
was on stage where somebody on stage with him like
joked or admitted that they kind of like came in illegally.
That was with his brother apparently, and his he told
his brother like, what are you doing?
Speaker 9 (25:37):
Man?
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Like it's not cool to like admit to that. So yeah,
like Steve, Steve Miller is looking through the file as
we speak, no doubt about it. And there's no question
Miller has ordered up a has requested, like, let me
take a closer look at that file. Was he going
to do anything with it?
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Is he looking? You better believe it.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Huh. Yeah, here's the what you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Bannon says they should initiate a formal investigation of Elon's
immigration status. I am of the strong belief he's an
illegal alien. He should be deported from the country immediately,
he said in a phone interview. Bannon said the Trump
administration should also investigate Musk's drug use and his effort
to get a classified briefing on China from the Pentagon,
which was reported by The Times. Bannon said musks security
(26:23):
clearance should be suspended during those investigations. And you know
the other thing that I was thinking about, and I
saw an article this morning that the Doge boys are
kind of freaking out about what their status is going
to be in the government now because Elon does.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Have in all of I feel sorry for them.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, big balls, it's all on the line. But Elon
does have this like hand picked cadre of loyalists who
are now installed in key positions all throughout the government,
sleeper cells, deep State, United way.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Throughout the government.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Who I mean, we're joking, but these are people who
have explicitly when they came in, they aggressively sought access
to these incredibly sensitive systems, and we have very little
insight or transparency into who they are, where they are,
what they've been doing, what they have access to, et cetera. So,
I mean, that is another thing that Elon potentially has
because those are people who, you know, most of the
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installed you know, the people have been installed in the
Trump administration, most of them are Trump loyalists, but these
ones were picked to be Elon loyalists, and they are
now like you know, embedded throughout key infrastructure in the government.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
And but just a couple of weeks ago, Elon must
said Doze is now a way of life. When he
was leaving, he said that dose is now a way
of life in the government and.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
That it's so what are these people's jobs?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Right, Because basically there was this idea that it was
DOJE was gonna kind of be under the direction of
russ vote, but it wasn't really going to be doged
so much as it was going to be just an
administration wide effort to make significant cuts to the administrative
agencies while they have the power of the executive and
to try to thwart those agencies from ever regenerating to.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Their previous size.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
If you know, there's not a Republican president in the
next four years whatever, So what are their jobs now
because they actually do work for the government.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Are there going to be a wave of people? Is
there going to be a wave of people who moved
to Washington, d c.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
From wherever they were Silicon Valleys previously?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Where do they end up?
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I mean, are they just going to quit or are
they going to cooperate with, for example, the efforts at
the State Department, which now oversees USAID to keep.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Working to figure out what that looks like in the future.
I don't know. I don't think we have a good
answer to that question.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
And some of it may be hinging on the call
that Trump and mustcap today.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well if they have, I mean, Trump is saying that's
not happening, yeah, but who knows, he could be lying.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We don't know what he said.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
The hijin ping call was yeah, I don't know what
goes on.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Who knows? I will say.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Also Elon was sort of backing off some online too,
you know, some like small full one hundred follower account
or whatever, was like, you guys are both better than this,
and Elon was like, you're right, I'm not going to
decommission the Dragon space grubbage for the one that, like,
you know, we use for the International Space Station. I
think that's the one or whatever. But in any case,
so he was also trying to somewhat moderate, so maybe
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there's some sort of reconciliation. I'll just say Media Benjamin
is waiting to get in, so we'll go ahead and
move on to to talk to her about their activism.
But I'll just say, neither of these men are known
for like discipline or self restraint, even that even when
it would be in their potential best interest. So you know,
I would fully personally, I would fully expect, even if
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there is a bit of a like calmbing of the
waters for the moment and a bit of a Dayton,
that there could be renewed flare ups at any point
in time.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Because that's just who these who these guys are.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All right, let me go ahead and welcome media in here. Hi, Medea,
how are you?
Speaker 9 (30:16):
Good morning? I'm good, Thank you morning.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Nice to see you you know Ryan and Emily.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Of course, yes, hello Ryan, Emily.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Can I tell a quick story Crystal before we dive in, Yes,
of course, so media. When I was in college, I
was an intern at the American Enterprise Institute, and we
used to have I.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Used to I used to have to work the desk.
So I used to have to work the desk to
take phone calls. And there was a.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Sticker of people not to let into a e I
and your name was on.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
It, Yes, absolute badge of honor.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Who else was on there?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I don't remember, I don't remember. I think it was
like a handful of code pink people.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Love that love, that testament to your effectiveness and your
longtime commitment to peace and not war. And we wanted
to catch up with you guys have been doing, you know,
extraordinary number of actions and quite significant. Also wanted to
talk to you a little bit about the flotilla, the
AID flotilla right now headed to Gaza, because I knew
you were supposed to be on one previously.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But first of all, let me let me pull up here.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You all just did an action at Representative Randy Fines
office and for people who are unawares. He is, this
newly elected Florida Republican who called for Gaza to be
nuked on Fox News, in addition to saying all sorts
of other just outrageous and atrocious things that anyone would
think would be completely out of bounds, but somehow goes
with barely a note in today's climate. So let me
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go ahead and pull up here a little bit of
the video of you all, you know, entering Randy Fine's
office and what you had to say.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
You were not here before one of the two people
with this.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Hold on, hold on. That was a different action that
you guys did. Let me find it.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Well, madea tells yeah, while she's looking for it, you
want to tell you the only thing about the latest
on the flotilla and we can come back.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
Well, it's getting close. You probably heard about the incident,
you know, where they took these four people on board
and then fish.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Fish fished some refugees out of the.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Water, right.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
Yeah, so they went a little bit out of their way.
Now they're back on track and they're headed towards Gaza. Uh.
You know, having somebody like reda Turnberg on board makes
it very difficult for the Israelis. But what they have
done in the past is board the ships and confiscate
the ship and arrest everybody on board, uh and deport them.
(32:57):
So that might be what they're thinking now. Of course
they've done worse than that, like they did in the
month of Marmara in twenty ten and actually killed people.
And you know they did bomb the ships well with
drones the ship that was supposed to be going the
larger ship that was going to carry about one hundred
and fifty people.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I was able to pull up that video or reference
before of you all at Randy Fine's office. So let's
go ahead and play some of us.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
So get ready with us as we go into the
office of Congressman Randy Fine.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
That's the most bigoted, painful member of Congress as Palestinian.
Speaker 11 (33:33):
Look, would I have to stand up here and show
you they're here in Randy Vine's office because we're very
concerned about this rhetoric about Palestinians and other groups. And
I am a Palestinian, a mother of four children, I'm
an American citizen. All my children are American citizens, and
we're walking around hearing this kind of rhetoric. It's scary
it's nice kind of example.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
Are you giving us to people in the United States too?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
We're all responsible here.
Speaker 11 (34:00):
Will not look kindly hashtag starve away congressman who says
such a thing Goza.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
Must be destroyed. I've been to Gaza six times. I've
seen the wonderful people that live in Gaza. People at
Gaza are two point two million people. They are families,
their children, they're women, there are men, there are ordinary
people just like us. And to say Gaza must be
destroyed is a policy that we are now doing, and
we have been doing now for nineteen months.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And so Medea, what sort of reaction did you get
from the office when you were there and what was
your goal also to accomplish with this action.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Well, we don't think that Randy Fine has gotten enough attention.
I mean, you know, if any member of Congress from
the Democratic side, like Rashida Tali barill han Omer had
said one of the things that he said, they would
not only be censored, I'm sure there would be howls
to kick them out of Congress. This is just disgusting
stuff that he said, and the American people don't really know.
(35:01):
So we wanted to highlight it more and you know,
we're always trying to reach people in his district as well,
so that they start calling him and saying this is
just unacceptable. And I think it was quite interesting because
they hesitated in calling the police. And I think that's
perhaps because he's new and his staff doesn't quite know
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the ropes.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
But they don't yet.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
They don't have the sticker up with.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Well, you know, they do keep their office locked. You
have to knock to come in, and they say, oh,
you know, we get death threats, and we're saying, hey,
if you didn't put a hashtag starve away, bomb away,
shoot away, I don't think people would be so mad
at you. But the staff did listen to us, and
not only that, they did give us a meeting later
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in the day. So we had about a half an
hour sit down with some of the staff, which was
quite interesting, and we've asked for a meeting directly with
Randy find himself. So I just think it's an example
of how we shouldn't let these things go by. We
should contact these members of Congress. We should say that
this is just not acceptable. We should be asking other
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members of Congress to censor them, which we have done.
We file ethics complaints constantly against these members of Congress.
I must say, we almost never hear back anything, and
when we do it's just, you know, thank you very much.
But again it's we shouldn't let it go by.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
What was the staff meeting?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Like?
Speaker 9 (36:35):
The staff meeting was good. It was from the communications department.
They wanted to hear from us more. We asked them
if they think this kind of rhetoric doesn't translate into
threats against not only Palestinians and Muslims, but Jewish people
as well, and isn't this harmful? Well, they said that,
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you know, they had a lot of the standard things.
One of the women there was saying that she was
recently graduate from university and how Jewish students are not safe,
and this rise in anti Semitism is something that Randy
Fine is trying to deal with, and of course we say, well,
he's dealing with it in the exact opposite way.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
They just kept saying he's trying to defend the Jewish
people and of course defend Israel. I can't say that
we moved them. But later on in the afternoon, there
was somebody who I can't identify, but he came by
and quietly said to us, thank you so much for
coming by the office. We really like this kind of
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language and know that there are people inside all of
these offices, and you know, we hear this constantly. It's unbelievable,
certainly from the younger people. We hear it. We hear
it from the front desk staff people, we hear it
from the cafeteria workers, hear it from the people cleaning up.
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So you know, that's why we're in the offices every
single day, because we think just our presence there is important.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
And that's what I wanted to ask by because I
find that so interesting. I mean, Tucker Carlson just spent
a not insignificant portion of one of his shows trashing
Randy Fine, and we've covered a lot of polling about
the disconnect between younger and older right leaning Americans on
the question of Israel in Gaza, and so Midia, I'm
curious how your or what you've noticed over time as
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you've been doing this having conversations with people who are
at least formerly very associated with the neo conservative wing.
Probably still are, but maybe their's staff isn't. Are you
noticing something different in the last couple of years or
is that just a lot of talk like what have
you seen?
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Emily? You're right, it's absolutely changed. I mean, first is
the generational divide. We see it constantly. It's very unusual.
In fact, that young women that I mentioned about Randy Fimes,
she was unusual in that she really stuck so much
to this. You know, Israel is right. We find that
not only is there a generational divide, people of color
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versus white people divide. You know, it is much more
sympathetic among the black members of Congress, not the members,
the staff people, certainly the Muslim ones, but also the Latinos.
You find a lot of support among Latinos. And then
in terms of the Congress people themselves changing well, of course,
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you know, we have seen this ever so slowly. I
was in Tom Massey's office yesterday and actually met him
and he said, I'm sure you love my tweet, didn't you,
in which he said for Israel?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
And I said, oh, was significant, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
It was significant. But you know, we said, you've got
to be working with other members of your party. We
need a breakaway moment for Republicans. You know, we have
about twenty five Democrats who have introduced a new resolution
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to block the bombs and that was started by Delhia
Ramirez with a number of great members of Congress. We
need something like that on the Republican side. And because
it's so divisive politically, even Republicans like Tom Massey or
Marjorie Tayler Green, they don't want to sign on anything
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that comes from the Democrats. So we tell them start
your own. And we've been focusing a lot on Republicans
going to their offices every single day, and sometimes in
a more aggressive way like Randy Fine, and sometimes in
a very respectful, nice way. And we have made some
good relationships and those offices. So we're just waiting for
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the moment where they finally will break away. And you know,
we say to them, Trump is counting on you to
support him in the dialogue with Iran UH and Trump
doesn't want to see a continuation of these wars, and
so you can really be helpful. We kind of, you know,
swallow deep when we go and.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I gotta do what you gotta do. But what there
what have you seen in terms of like public support
for Code Pink and number of volunteers for these actions.
You know, what is the sort of EBB and flow
of that beIN.
Speaker 9 (41:44):
Well, it's just been going up and up and up
and up. I mean that among younger people, people who
are not US citizens, it's harder for them to join us,
and they tell us all the time, we wish we
could be there with you, but we're concerned about everything
that you can imagine, their jobs and student loans, everything.
So it falls to a smaller number of people to
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do it, but we have a great group of people
and it changes. We get new people constantly who go
around with us in the halls every day, making the visits,
doing the rounds, bringing in the latest piece of legislation,
asking them to sign on to it, asking them to
put out public statements condemning things like the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
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And in terms of the support, it's unbelievable. I mean,
members of Code Pink we walk around in the streets
and people will stop their cars to get out and
give us hugs. We are constantly getting thanks from people,
and it's going up and up and up, And I
think it's this starvation that people just can't stand. They've
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unfortunately gotten used to the bombings with seeing that for
nineteen months, but now the starvation and that is something
I think that's hard for the members of con to
justify as well. Of course, you know they try to
say it's Hamas and moss stealing the food and that
kind of stuff, but you know, it doesn't really pass
the what the what test?
Speaker 3 (43:11):
What the smell test? Will say any jazz.
Speaker 9 (43:14):
So, yes, we're getting more.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
I don't know if you saw this, but about an
hour ago I reported that next week Congress will be
voting on a resolution that will be standard resolution condemning
the terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, but embedded in it
it said, it will deem that the phrase free Palestine.
And let me put this up here, the phrase free
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Palestine is an anti Semitic slogan. So let's see. Yeah, yeah,
it's an anti Semitic slogan that calls for the destruction
of the State of Israel and the Jewish people. So yeah,
whereas while shouting free Palestine an anti Semitic slogan. So
you've seen these resolutions a lot before that it'll say,
(44:02):
you know, we condemn this, you know, truly awful thing,
and then they embed within it something that they're trying
to trap democrats and everybody else into into agreeing with
and in this case, it's it's to agree that the
phrase free Palestine is actually an anti Semitic slogan. How
do you think that'll go? Like, do they still have
(44:24):
the juice that they can ram this through? Are people
still too afraid of voting no and being told how
dare you not condemn this terrorist attack?
Speaker 9 (44:36):
Well? Yes, you see how sneaky they are. But I
think you know, this kind of thing is just played
out too much and doesn't have any weight anymore. It's
just a ridiculous thing to do. And many times we've
seen that some of these worse resolutions don't even pass,
and then if they do pass, you know, they don't
have the weight of law. And as soon as we
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hear something like that from you, Ryan and thank you
for alerting us, you know, we'll go into Congress and
we'll just be going from room to room shouting free Palestine,
Free Palestine. So this kind of thing can is another
scare tactic, but I think we're way beyond.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
That, and one that maybe since you just talked to
people like Thomas Massey who have been against that, MEDEA
will be blocked by enough Republicans.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I'm curious what you think about.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
That, Yes, as long as they know what they're voting for,
and that we have to make sure they do. I mean,
we see people like Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, who
doesn't want to vote for these kinds of things, and
so you know, we go to her office and we
alert them, we go to the other offices. But you're right,
I think there's enough Republicans that'll say, you know, this,
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this is.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Just although there are probably enough Democrats to push it
over the top. But the first person I noticed one
after I reported it, the first person that responded to
it was a bandoned person who tagged Marjorie Taylor Green, Oh,
interesting thing, help us out here.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
Interesting What some members do on these is they just
vote present because then they're not endorsing it one way
or the other, just to say this is a game
and I'm not going to participate in it, right, And.
Speaker 9 (46:16):
I think you know that these kinds of things, they're
just losing their power. And I feel like APAC is
losing its power. APAC doesn't have the power to get
to the president into the White House. APAX certainly, you know,
I'm not saying they don't have tremendous power. But I
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don't feel like they can ram through things like this
the way they used to be able to, because there
are a couple of Republicans who are standing up of so, No,
the tide is turning so so so slowly, but it
is turning.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Media.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
What about on the Democratic side, I mean, on the
one hand, you have more dissent from the lockstep pro
Israel consensus and pro genocide consensus.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
On the Democratic side.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
On the other hand, you have I think a much
vaster gulf between where the elected Democrats are and where
the bases. I mean, the base of the Democratic Party
has basically wholesale turned on this.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Onslaught in Gaza are disgusted with that.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
They don't want weapons going, they want it to end,
they want aid to go in et cetera. And so
have you seen a shift among Democratic members as well
in the way that they're the way that they're interacting
with you, the way that they're feeling about how they
should approach these issues.
Speaker 9 (47:36):
Well, as I said earlier, I think the starvation issue
has really changed things. I think it has made it very,
very uncomfortable for these pro Israel Democrats to be sticking
with the line that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is the
way to go. That anra's full of Hamas supporters, and
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we couldn't possibly go with that. You know, we have
been pushing that Democrats have to support the United Nations.
Now that we have Mark Rubio sanctioning the ICC, and
now that we have this just dystopian form of quote
getting food into Gaza, I think it's a chance now
for getting some more of these more conservative Democrats to
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go back to saying we have to support the UN agencies.
You know, maybe they don't want to say unrust specifically,
but you know, we have the World Food Program and
Cindy McCain has been so good on these issues of
saying that Hamas is not stealing the aid. So I
think this gives us a little more opening to reach
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some of those conservative Democrats at least on this issue
of starving people is not something that the US can support.
And then there's also you know, the issue of a
season fire, which is really not there's not a vehicle
within Congress to show support for a ceasefire right now. Yeah,
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that's the vehicles for the food issue. And now this
issue about banning some weapons. But we definitely need need
to bring back up the ceasefire. And that's tough for
Democrats because you know, they see this now in the
Republican court and it's up to Trump to figure this out,
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and they don't want to be seen as pushing him
on the ceasefire issue.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Madia, do you get still get like personally nervous when
you're gonna jump up on stage or jump up in
an audience or go into member of Congress's office and
be like stop supporting genocide? Like do you have you
done it so many times that you don't get nervous
for these sorts of things because sometimes, I mean, you've
been roughed up, like you've been, you know, arrested, I'm
sure countless times. Is it intimidating to you still or
(49:55):
you just kind of it's just your day.
Speaker 9 (49:58):
Well, the only thing I get nervous us about is
that I've had a broken shoulder and it's a bad shoulder.
It hurts all the time. And that's exactly where they
take you to arrest you. And if they're going to
be a very tough way, you know that can have
a longer term consequences. So that's the thing that makes
me nervous. I don't get nervous going into congressional offices.
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And I want people listening to know that the vast
majority of our time we're going into progressional offices to
have nice meetings, and we want people to come and
join us and not be afraid that you're going to
get arrested. And we need more people, so please come
join us. When we are do thing something about arrests,
(50:42):
it's usually because we are taking an extra going an
extra step and challenging them. If it's in a setting
where there is a lot of security around, and do
you think you're going to get roughed up? That yeah,
that is what makes me nervous. There was a group
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of doctors against genocide that was in Congress last week
and they were considering maybe risking arrest, but they decided
it wasn't worth it and had been given warnings that
they were protesting by walking around in the lobby of
the Heartbuilding with a couple of them with photos of
starving children. And when they were given their third warning,
(51:24):
they started walking out the door and maybe saying something
like bread not bombs, and seven of the doctors got arrested.
So the police in the Congress are really ready to
pounce on people. So we want to make sure that
people who go with us who don't want to get
arrested are very much aware of when you are risking
(51:47):
and when you're not.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Medea, how can people help out join up, participate in
one of your actions.
Speaker 9 (51:55):
Well, thank you for asking that, because there are so
many ways that people can and need to participate. If
you're in the DC area, or can even come here
for a few days, or take your vacation time or
your student recess time, come and join us in Washington,
d C. And we are in the halls of Congress
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every day, definitely Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursdays, which are the
days that they are in session. And you can sign
up on the code Pink website under DC Actions to
learn more about that. But more important for people all
over the country is to just get involved with Code pink.
Go to our website. We have very very creative actions
(52:40):
that we have been coming up with and asking people
to do. You asked about involvement. I mean, we now
have so many people involved, and it's the power of
the people that counteracts the power of APEX. So please
go to code pink dot org and join us in
any way that you can. We also have many many chaptors,
I should say, and so there might be a chapter
(53:02):
in your city.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Amazing Medea, so much respect for you and it's always
an honor to get to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (53:11):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
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Happy Friday, everybody, Emily, great to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Great to see you.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Were waiting on Ryan Grimm, but he should pop up shortly.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
He'll make his grand entrance any moment. Now. You already
made this joke. What are we going to talk about today?
Just how you know that it's brilliant and original. We
missed you yesterday when Ryan and I did our Breaking News,
So I'm excited to get your thoughts on this whole
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elon Trump meltdown debacle. I mean, what are your top line,
what are your reflections on what's unfolded thus far.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
So this is I was wrong.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I said on the show many many times that I
expected not a massive explosion in the relationship. But what
we saw literally until yesterday is what I thought was
the likeliest scenario, which is that it would be a
slow disentangling where everyone can save face because they both
are very powerful and both have so much to lose. Ye. Now,
(01:31):
what's interesting I think is all of this happened after
Elon Musk came out and said he's done with political donations,
and so I think the transactionality of the relationship was
really hurt by the Wisconsin election that we covered, and
was really hurt by Elon Musk saying he can't He's
not even going to donate, and that I think made
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it easier for everything to ultimately blow up.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, that changed the calculation on the on Trump's part
at least, and then Elon's calculation seemed to be changed
somewhat by Trump pulling the plug on his NASA pick.
Because when Elon couldn't have his guy at NASA to
shepherd through his SpaceX contracts and whatever to fulfill his
Grand Mars ambitions, that seemed to have somewhat changed his calculus.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Hey Ryan, how's it going pretty good?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So we're gonna I have like one million elements pulled
on Elon versus Trump to go through just things that
transpired since Ryan and I did our breaking segment yesterday.
We also have media Benjamin from Code Pink, who's going
to join Legendary Activists. They just did an action with
at ruppers out of Randy Fines's office. He's the one
who called for Gaza to be nuked, so always really inspiring.
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Great to talk to her, so she's going to join.
That'll probably be all we get through for the free
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his thoughts on Israel, which is that's interesting and of itself.
We've got the KJPE stuff that we didn't get to
in yesterday's show because there was too much other stuff
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which he has decided to make a threat for the
audience to coerce them into.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You do agree doing.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
That, You do not want to be doing that. And
in the back half of the show, we can also
talk about something I just broke, which is that next
week the House is planning to vote on a resolution
that would deem the phrase free Palestine to be quote
an anti Semitic slogan.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Jesus.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
They've tucked it into a resolution that condemns the Colorado
terrorist attack in Boulder. But if you vote for that
to condemn that attack, you're voting for language that says
that Palestine as an anti Semitic slogan that calls for
the discussion of Jewish people.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Wow, that is so devious. To put those two things
together is so just incredibly devious.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
All Right.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I struggled with how to start.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The Elon Trump feud portion, so I thought we would
start with, you know, the absolute most important news here,
which is that Elon Musk has unsubscribed and unfollowed cat Tured.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know, it's truly an end of an era.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Why did he do this? He's going to miss out
on all of these insights.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I mean, Catured will still probably be in his feed,
but depending on I guess how Elon rearranges the algorithm
now for this new era.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But it is pretty funny, he says.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Catured says breaking Elon Musk has unsubscribed and unfollowed me.
Alex Jones says he's not in my Trump cult. Many
large influencer accounts desperately tried to stay neutral today. I've
never changed in years. If you want to criticize Trump's bill,
no problem. If you don't like Trump's policies, no problem.
I'm okay with that. If you don't like Trump's tariffs,
I'll listen to yourself. But when you come out and
call Trump a pedophile, that's when you've crossed a red line.
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Don't care about anything you have to say after that, Emily.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
First of all, it was for Elon Musk, Like it
started to be clear. Elon Musk started this by saying
that tweet he posted, what was it Monday or Tuesday?
He posted one saying I can't hold it in any longer.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
The bill is abominable. What did you call it? A bominable?
A disgrace?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
And that was I mean before his criticism of the
bill had been muted, and I would say civil and polite,
And then he posted that and they could no longer
do this dance pretending that they were all on the
same page and it was just a happy marriage. So
to go from that, I mean, this is not zero
to one hundred, This is zero to one thousand.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
To your in the.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Epstein files, Musk created a problem for himself, which is basically,
I helped elect a guy in the Epstein files, despite
apparently being really serious about him, said that I loved
him as much as any straight man could love another man,
and then working for his administration just it creates a
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problem for himself.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, oh, no doubt about it. I'll pull this up.
So there's some reporting. It's been kind of interesting Trump's
response because Elon has gone as scorched earth as you
possibly can, right, bringing in Epstein saying you only won
the election because of me, which is another admission, right
that this richest man on the planet believes that he
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was able to successfully buy the presidency of the United
States is like also an extraordinary admission there. So he
has gone as scorched earth as he possibly can. And
my senses, Trump has been somewhat restrained, Like he definitely
has not gone as hard in response as Elon has. Now,
maybe that's because Trump has a lot more than just
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rhetorical arrows that he could shoot at Elon, right he
you know, he threatened Elon's government subsidies for and you know,
contracts for SpaceX, which would be really damaging for now,
we really rely on SpaceX, both in terms of starlink
and in terms of you know, the International Space Station
all this stuff, which again is another commentary on how
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much this one guy and this gigantic monopoly, like how
dependent as a country you've become on you know, this monopoly.
But Trump has the power to pull those contracts to
investigate Elon ban and I've got all of a bunch
of clips from him calling for Elon to be investigated
and you know deported for his you know, entering the
country and of false pretensers O're staying his visa or whatever,
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the immigration fraud allegedly as with regard to him. So
maybe the reason why Trump rhetorically has been a little
bit uh muted, is because he has so much more
that he can actually do to Elon's so much more
halfed really ultimately than Elon has and on the screen.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
These are the two true social posts that Trump has.
And he was responding to reporters yesterday too, but these
are the two true social posts he's posted so far.
Elon I think is up to dozens, like he's in
the dozens. Oh yeah, of course of the week I
think politically, yeah, like seventy and that was before yesterday,
So it's.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Which is actually a diminished pace on for Elon.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
But yes, no, just on Trump is what they counted, Yeah,
which is something else.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Ryan, There was Politico reporting that there was a possible daytonte.
Signs of a truce are aberging and increasingly bitter clash.
Trump projected an Arab nonchalance in an interview Thursday with Politico.
White House aids, after working to persuade the President to
temper his public criticism of Musk to avoid escalation, scheduled
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a call Friday with Elon to broker a piece. Oh
it's okay, Trump told Politico in a brief telephone call
when asked about the very public breakup, It's going very well.
Never done better. Trump went on to toubt his favorability rating, saying,
the numbers are through the roof of the highest poles I've
ever had, and I and I have to go. But
this morning we have reporting from Jonathan and Carl saying
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that no, there is no phone call planned. Let me
see if I can pull this one up as well,
so we can see it in a phone conversation. This morning,
Trump told me Elon Musk is the man who has
lost his mind. Trump did not, however, seem angry or
even concerned about the few deus who reports there's going
to be a Trump Musk call schedule for today. Trump
told me he is not particularly interested in talking to Musk,
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although he says Musk wants to talk to him, which,
if true, is you know, interesting dynamic.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
There as well.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Yeah, it shows Trump very much believes that he's winning
this breakup and also understood that Elon was becoming quite
a drag on him, and that the louder he breaks
up with him, the less that that drag affects him
going forward.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know not, and the more he can blame anything
bad that happens is in his administration on Elon screwing.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Up with those Yes, right, you certainly you literally could.
Although it's it's tough because it's like people are gonna
be like, well, who hired Elon in the first place?
But yeah, he he loves to like blame you know,
John Bolton or whoever, and and talk about them as
the biggest morons that have ever existed without even like
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bothering to reconcile the the question of well, then why
should we trust your one that brought this moron in
here in the first place? But whatever? Carry on? Uh,
I wonder if this uh you know, there's a lot
of glee on the left about this, But is is
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is now the kind of Stephen Miller wing just kind
of completely unshackled, Like was there any useful moderating force
that Musk might have been playing? Emily, you think that
now isn't being played?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
No, I don't think so, And I don't think well
because we should.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Just have glee.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I can't think of a way in which Elon Musk
would have been a moderating force unless it was just
purely on climate related provisions, like if you're disentangling build
back better or something like that, but I don't even
know that there's much evidence he was doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, we don't see any indication that there was holding
back on that. I mean, I guess the area I
would say is maybe like on the tariffs, not Elon specifically,
but having the like tech right in the coalition. But
it seems to me like the moderating factor on the
tariffs is more the bond market than it was you know.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Target CEO.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, yeah, Sovarro.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Immediately attacked Elon Musk over the tariff thing, and like
was talking about how he's just an assembler and not
a manufacturer. So I think they were less less listening
to Musk and it was more Trump peering from who
was in the Oval office or no, he watched Jamie
Diamond on Morgan Mornings with Maria, that's.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Right, and had Charles Schwab.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Right in the hell of a day. Yeah, no, that's right.
I mean, there's so many interesting aspects of this. There's
also everybody's waiting for what Jade Vance was going to say,
who was apparently recording a podcast with the Ovon which
is going to be interesting as well. And Vance finally
weighed in with kind of a it was kind of
like a weird I don't know, what do you guys
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think of this tweet? He says at ten thirty pm. Right,
so this is hours after the Internet has had everything
to say about this dispute, and there's been so much
back and forth in Epstein and you should be impeached.
And one of the things that Elon said is that
Trump should be impeached and Jade Vance replace him. And
so this is what Jadie Vance said. He said, President
Trump has done more than any person in my lifetime
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to earn the trust of the movement. He leads, I'm
proud to stand beside him. I don't know what did
you guys think of this INSERTI because I mean, part
of the reason why there's intrigue around Jadie Vance is
he's on the ticket because of Elon and Peter tile
and the tech right Like he is Peter Teel's protege.
Peter Teel funded his seate campaign and you know, funded
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his career, and that is really the reason why he
ends up being the vice presidential pick. So everyone's kind
of watching, like, all right, who's whose side side are
you going to be on? How are you going to
play this out because the the assumption was that he's
there to be kind of their inside man and to
make it so that after Trump leaves, they get their
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guy in the White House or at least as the
Republican nominee after you know, after Trump is done.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
The thing that stood out to me in that and Ryan,
I'm curious because you like literally written books about this
on the left, but on the right. When jd Vance
says to earn the trust, that to me was reflective
of some type of I think small, not significant, but
some type of concern that Elon Musk could split the
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MAGA movement. And what Jadvance was signaling there is continue
to trust Trump right quote unquote trust Trump, and that
to me is very interesting that they are worried that
maybe some people peel off and go with Elon. I
think what we saw happen over the course of the
day yesterday is basically it looked like Trump people were
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with Trump. They were there for Trump first and foremost,
but there it seemed like there may have been some
anxiety about where the Doge Bros Elon people go.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Ultimately, the complicating factor in all this is that you know,
Donald Trump Junior played a significant role in lobbying his
father to put JD. Vance on the ticket. So, but
that that's and that's related to Donald Trump Junior's, you know,
dalliance with all of these you know, oligarchs, as the
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family is trying to kind of take what it sees
is it's rightful place alongside the rest of these these oligarchs.
And so there's that, there is that link. So it's
in an unusual way and in a in a kind
of aristocratic way, you know, brought together, you know, the
families bring bring them together. So I do think that, yeah,
what Jade Vance is reflecting is the same thing that
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that Trump was seeing, that that he's winning this that
even though Elon Musk is you know, buying ink by
the barrel. Uh, even even though he's got this like
army of sycophants out on Twitter who he pays to
say nice things about him, Trump is still Trump, and
Trump still captures the respect and the imagination of the
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MAGA movement. And so far I don't see it. You
know that the big beautiful Bill may fall apart for
other reasons, but so far it doesn't. Even though this
whole fight was about that, it doesn't seem, at least
from my perspective, to be doing any real damage to it. Emily,
Or are you seeing people saying like, oh, we need
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to revisit this in the light of Musk's criticism.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
No, it's the opposite, truly, it's so imposite.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
There was all of this momentum before Elon went nuclear
on BBB that it was putting the screws to leadership
and actually terrifying them, like they were freaked out about
this bill crashing and burning, which again we've talked about
many times. They need this from their perspective, it's not
like an optional part of them having done all of
these tariffs.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
It's a necessary part of it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
They didn't think it would be a problem, and they
were getting rand Paul Ron Johnson, potentially Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski,
but even just having rand Ron Johnson, potentially Mike Lee
who had been interacting with Elon Musk sort of civilly.
So they were having real problems with this, And now
what happens is Elon Musk has for MAGA. If you're
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worried about getting re elected by Republican voters and particularly
hardcore MAGA voters, Elon Musk has made it Trump versus
this disloyal oligarch. I'm not saying that's the right framing,
but I'm saying that's the framing that MAGA is going
to see it through now. And so it actually is
going to make it easier for leadership to get a
deal because now they have more leverage in that. If
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you're Mike Lee or if you are Ron Johnson, you
don't want to look like you are taking Elon Musk's
side in all of this. And so I think there's
still going to be significant corrections to the bill. I
shouldn't say corrections, that's the wrong word, but like corrections
in their direction.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
They want to make more cuts. I think they're going
to get that.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
But it's made it easier for leadership to get from
point A to point B for sure, because now part
of the leverage they have is you look disloyal, You
look like you're signing with Elon. If you continue to
publicly make all of the create this public movement, this
public campaign against BBB, you look like you're siding with
Elon Musk over Trump.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, and what some of the MAGA people, including I
don't know if Steve Bannon has come out and said this,
but allude to the fact that basically their view is
Elon is effectively trying to effectuate some sort of a coup,
you know. I mean, and look fair enough when he's
tweeting like impeach the guy and put it install Janie
Vans instead, like he's kind of announcing his intentions there.
So fair, But you know, Bannon is going all in,
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going very hard in the paint in ways that I
really can't particularly disagree with. So let's go ahead and
take a listen to a little bit of what he's
been saying Trump should do in response to these books
by Elon.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
He's a no at all. He knows some engineering, don't
get me wrong. I give ahead tip for that, but
he doesn't know anything about the real world.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Doge was for any boys this exist, Well, you're wrapping
up in your cape tonight.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Understand on Doge, he didn't And any fraud. There's plenty
of fraud out there in front.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
This is President Trump's first complaint was this all bs
right with the with with the Doge?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
The action should that President Trump should be taking immediately.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I think when he threatens to take one of the
big programs out of SpaceX. President Trump tonight should sign
an executive order calling for the Defensive Production Act to
be called in SpaceX and sees SpaceX tonight before midnight.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Sees SpaceX tonight before midnight. And look, I think SpaceX
should be nationalized because.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It really does.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
This whole situation really does illustrate two things. Number one,
the fact that you have Trump operating like this, you know,
benana republic dictator who will pull your contracts if you
disobey him, and you know, weaponizing the federal government. Everyone
just like accepts that's the way he's operating. But number two,
that you have this oligarch who runs this monopoly that
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our country in significant ways actually truly is dependent on.
So ban and identify, you know, pretty instinctively what even
though Trump has a much stronger hand to play here,
that there are weaknesses that Musk is you know, is
in position to exploit because of having this gigantic monopoly
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that is so significant in terms of you know, communications
with the satellites, with the space program. And so he's saying, listen,
you can't let him, you can't let him continue to
have these choice because he will use them against you. You
got to pull the pin on this right away tonight.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
So that's why I also, well, I was gonna say
that's why I also predicted a more muted divorce. I mean,
I agreed with everyone that a divorce was coming, but like,
the stakes here unbelievable. And I think that's why Politico
is reporting that they have a call scheduled for today
because you know, despite this kinetic breakup is kinetic like
war that we're they're in right now, they have so
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both of them have so much on the line to
be throwing accusations about Epstein on the internet at each
other like a bunch of teenage boys.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah, to be Starlink is the one that is the
real threat to sovereignty.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, agreed like that, Well, think.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Of what how he used it communication.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Think of how he used it with Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Like, regardless of what you think about you know, the
Ukraine Warren, whether it was sorry decision or not, he
was like, I don't want you attacking Crimea, so you
are not going to have access to starlink in Crimea
and the Ukrainians really significantly depend on Starlink for comms,
and you know, like it's I saw a stat I
think something like ninety percent of the weight that's been
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shot up into space via you know, satellites has come
from SpaceX. They have really taken the lead in terms of,
you know, we've we decided and this was really a
kind of Obama error decision to outsource our own capacity,
our own space capacity, to the private sector, and Elon
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has become the primary you know, beneficiary and contractor in
that world. And so you know, that's not only these
whimsical flights of fantasy in terms of We're going to
colonize Mars, but more immediately, it is that that like
communications backbone that is incredibly important and he right now
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has control over. So Bannon, you know, immediately is like
you got to you got to do something about this
because this is a weakness that he could exploit.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Although if the US is going to start nationalizing companies,
I think they've first they've got to win the confidence
of the American people that they can actually run them. First,
you got to like get your air traffic controler towers working,
like the do the basic stuff that we could do
in the nineteen seventies, yeah, effectively, and then we'll talk
about going to space again.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I have some more Bannon here for us to react to,
because I do think the things he has to say
are pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, absolutely, let me go ahead and put this out.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But he's, you know, and he's been critical of Elon
the whole time, and at times pretty viciously critical of
Elon because Elon is this, you know, has this like,
in my opinion, evil transm like anti human ideology that
you know, Bannon also sees that way. In any case,
let's take a listen to how he talks about this dispute.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Elon Musk is working for himself.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
President Trump empowered him more than anyone's ever been empowered
in this government, had his back, promoted this guy. And
when people like me who said you're making a mistake, right,
this is a bad guy. He's going to turn on you.
He's not with us. He's also totally incompetent. And President
Trump said, hey, give this guy a shot. And I
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trust President Trump's judgment and often say, as people know,
I backed off a little, right now, if I packed
off a little, but.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
It's not about observation.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
As soon as he didn't think he ran the deal
or got the adoration right that he was starting to
be saying, where's.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
The tree in dollars? Right? He turned on President Trump,
but most importantly he turned on the country and the
American people.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
And President Trump just had enough of it now and
he forced his way back in to have like some
last day.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
They didn't want to do that, but fine.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
And then as soon as President Trump comes out today
and President Trump saying it in the nicest way possible
about right the bill, but being banged back, the guy
gets up and start the most vicious stuff you could tweet.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
So all the fanboys defend this.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
He accused President Trump and basically being to a group
with those of pedophiles on the island. He called for
he called for the president to be impeached and JD.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Vance to take his role.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
As hard as we've worked in all the years that
we've walked in, this audience's works on. Punk is going
to sit there and go he's always should be impeached.
And hey, as sure as the turning of the earth,
if those progressors rub up on him and say, hey,
they're never gonna buy the they're never going to buy
the Tesla's where they're going to buy the Tesla's they
rub up on him, He'll write a five hundred million
dollar check for a king Jefferies. He'll be across the
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thing looking to impeach President Trump, looking to help steal
the twenty eight election.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Look into a prison President Trump. So here's my point,
let's get ahead of it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
So those progresses, Ryan, they rub up on him. He'll
be there with his five don't and they're already rubbing
up on him.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Glacias. Yeah, Rocanna out there ready to rub up on him.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
So and he's he's saying, you might get ahead of it.
Then he says, he says, we should deport him and
see his companies. I mean, Bannon does not play around.
He's he's laying down. He's laying down a marker.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And yesterday I was saying that there was this he
was on stage where somebody on stage with him like
joked or admitted that they kind of like came in illegally.
That was with his brother apparently, and his he told
his brother like, what are you doing?
Speaker 9 (25:37):
Man?
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Like it's not cool to like admit to that. So yeah,
like Steve, Steve Miller is looking through the file as
we speak, no doubt about it. And there's no question
Miller has ordered up a has requested, like, let me
take a closer look at that file. Was he going
to do anything with it?
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Is he looking? You better believe it.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Huh. Yeah, here's the what you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Bannon says they should initiate a formal investigation of Elon's
immigration status. I am of the strong belief he's an
illegal alien. He should be deported from the country immediately,
he said in a phone interview. Bannon said the Trump
administration should also investigate Musk's drug use and his effort
to get a classified briefing on China from the Pentagon,
which was reported by The Times. Bannon said musks security
(26:23):
clearance should be suspended during those investigations. And you know
the other thing that I was thinking about, and I
saw an article this morning that the Doge boys are
kind of freaking out about what their status is going
to be in the government now because Elon does.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Have in all of I feel sorry for them.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, big balls, it's all on the line. But Elon
does have this like hand picked cadre of loyalists who
are now installed in key positions all throughout the government,
sleeper cells, deep State, United way.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Throughout the government.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Who I mean, we're joking, but these are people who
have explicitly when they came in, they aggressively sought access
to these incredibly sensitive systems, and we have very little
insight or transparency into who they are, where they are,
what they've been doing, what they have access to, et cetera. So,
I mean, that is another thing that Elon potentially has
because those are people who, you know, most of the
(27:24):
installed you know, the people have been installed in the
Trump administration, most of them are Trump loyalists, but these
ones were picked to be Elon loyalists, and they are
now like you know, embedded throughout key infrastructure in the government.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
And but just a couple of weeks ago, Elon must
said Doze is now a way of life. When he
was leaving, he said that dose is now a way
of life in the government and.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
That it's so what are these people's jobs?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Right, Because basically there was this idea that it was
DOJE was gonna kind of be under the direction of
russ vote, but it wasn't really going to be doged
so much as it was going to be just an
administration wide effort to make significant cuts to the administrative
agencies while they have the power of the executive and
to try to thwart those agencies from ever regenerating to.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Their previous size.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
If you know, there's not a Republican president in the
next four years whatever, So what are their jobs now
because they actually do work for the government.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Are there going to be a wave of people? Is
there going to be a wave of people who moved
to Washington, d c.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
From wherever they were Silicon Valleys previously?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Where do they end up?
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I mean, are they just going to quit or are
they going to cooperate with, for example, the efforts at
the State Department, which now oversees USAID to keep.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Working to figure out what that looks like in the future.
I don't know. I don't think we have a good
answer to that question.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
And some of it may be hinging on the call
that Trump and mustcap today.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well if they have, I mean, Trump is saying that's
not happening, yeah, but who knows, he could be lying.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We don't know what he said.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
The hijin ping call was yeah, I don't know what
goes on.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Who knows? I will say.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Also Elon was sort of backing off some online too,
you know, some like small full one hundred follower account
or whatever, was like, you guys are both better than this,
and Elon was like, you're right, I'm not going to
decommission the Dragon space grubbage for the one that, like,
you know, we use for the International Space Station. I
think that's the one or whatever. But in any case,
so he was also trying to somewhat moderate, so maybe
(29:32):
there's some sort of reconciliation. I'll just say Media Benjamin
is waiting to get in, so we'll go ahead and
move on to to talk to her about their activism.
But I'll just say, neither of these men are known
for like discipline or self restraint, even that even when
it would be in their potential best interest. So you know,
I would fully personally, I would fully expect, even if
(29:52):
there is a bit of a like calmbing of the
waters for the moment and a bit of a Dayton,
that there could be renewed flare ups at any point
in time.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Because that's just who these who these guys are.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All right, let me go ahead and welcome media in here. Hi, Medea,
how are you?
Speaker 9 (30:16):
Good morning? I'm good, Thank you morning.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Nice to see you you know Ryan and Emily.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Of course, yes, hello Ryan, Emily.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Can I tell a quick story Crystal before we dive in, Yes,
of course, so media. When I was in college, I
was an intern at the American Enterprise Institute, and we
used to have I.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Used to I used to have to work the desk.
So I used to have to work the desk to
take phone calls. And there was a.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Sticker of people not to let into a e I
and your name was on.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
It, Yes, absolute badge of honor.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Who else was on there?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I don't remember, I don't remember. I think it was
like a handful of code pink people.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Love that love, that testament to your effectiveness and your
longtime commitment to peace and not war. And we wanted
to catch up with you guys have been doing, you know,
extraordinary number of actions and quite significant. Also wanted to
talk to you a little bit about the flotilla, the
AID flotilla right now headed to Gaza, because I knew
you were supposed to be on one previously.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But first of all, let me let me pull up here.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You all just did an action at Representative Randy Fines
office and for people who are unawares. He is, this
newly elected Florida Republican who called for Gaza to be
nuked on Fox News, in addition to saying all sorts
of other just outrageous and atrocious things that anyone would
think would be completely out of bounds, but somehow goes
with barely a note in today's climate. So let me
(31:51):
go ahead and pull up here a little bit of
the video of you all, you know, entering Randy Fine's
office and what you had to say.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
You were not here before one of the two people
with this.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Hold on, hold on. That was a different action that
you guys did. Let me find it.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Well, madea tells yeah, while she's looking for it, you
want to tell you the only thing about the latest
on the flotilla and we can come back.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
Well, it's getting close. You probably heard about the incident,
you know, where they took these four people on board
and then fish.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Fish fished some refugees out of the.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Water, right.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
Yeah, so they went a little bit out of their way.
Now they're back on track and they're headed towards Gaza. Uh.
You know, having somebody like reda Turnberg on board makes
it very difficult for the Israelis. But what they have
done in the past is board the ships and confiscate
the ship and arrest everybody on board, uh and deport them.
(32:57):
So that might be what they're thinking now. Of course
they've done worse than that, like they did in the
month of Marmara in twenty ten and actually killed people.
And you know they did bomb the ships well with
drones the ship that was supposed to be going the
larger ship that was going to carry about one hundred
and fifty people.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I was able to pull up that video or reference
before of you all at Randy Fine's office. So let's
go ahead and play some of us.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
So get ready with us as we go into the
office of Congressman Randy Fine.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
That's the most bigoted, painful member of Congress as Palestinian.
Speaker 11 (33:33):
Look, would I have to stand up here and show
you they're here in Randy Vine's office because we're very
concerned about this rhetoric about Palestinians and other groups. And
I am a Palestinian, a mother of four children, I'm
an American citizen. All my children are American citizens, and
we're walking around hearing this kind of rhetoric. It's scary
it's nice kind of example.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
Are you giving us to people in the United States too?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
We're all responsible here.
Speaker 11 (34:00):
Will not look kindly hashtag starve away congressman who says
such a thing Goza.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
Must be destroyed. I've been to Gaza six times. I've
seen the wonderful people that live in Gaza. People at
Gaza are two point two million people. They are families,
their children, they're women, there are men, there are ordinary
people just like us. And to say Gaza must be
destroyed is a policy that we are now doing, and
we have been doing now for nineteen months.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And so Medea, what sort of reaction did you get
from the office when you were there and what was
your goal also to accomplish with this action.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Well, we don't think that Randy Fine has gotten enough attention.
I mean, you know, if any member of Congress from
the Democratic side, like Rashida Tali barill han Omer had
said one of the things that he said, they would
not only be censored, I'm sure there would be howls
to kick them out of Congress. This is just disgusting
stuff that he said, and the American people don't really know.
(35:01):
So we wanted to highlight it more and you know,
we're always trying to reach people in his district as well,
so that they start calling him and saying this is
just unacceptable. And I think it was quite interesting because
they hesitated in calling the police. And I think that's
perhaps because he's new and his staff doesn't quite know
(35:23):
the ropes.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
But they don't yet.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
They don't have the sticker up with.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Well, you know, they do keep their office locked. You
have to knock to come in, and they say, oh,
you know, we get death threats, and we're saying, hey,
if you didn't put a hashtag starve away, bomb away,
shoot away, I don't think people would be so mad
at you. But the staff did listen to us, and
not only that, they did give us a meeting later
(35:54):
in the day. So we had about a half an
hour sit down with some of the staff, which was
quite interesting, and we've asked for a meeting directly with
Randy find himself. So I just think it's an example
of how we shouldn't let these things go by. We
should contact these members of Congress. We should say that
this is just not acceptable. We should be asking other
(36:16):
members of Congress to censor them, which we have done.
We file ethics complaints constantly against these members of Congress.
I must say, we almost never hear back anything, and
when we do it's just, you know, thank you very much.
But again it's we shouldn't let it go by.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
What was the staff meeting?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Like?
Speaker 9 (36:35):
The staff meeting was good. It was from the communications department.
They wanted to hear from us more. We asked them
if they think this kind of rhetoric doesn't translate into
threats against not only Palestinians and Muslims, but Jewish people
as well, and isn't this harmful? Well, they said that,
(37:00):
you know, they had a lot of the standard things.
One of the women there was saying that she was
recently graduate from university and how Jewish students are not safe,
and this rise in anti Semitism is something that Randy
Fine is trying to deal with, and of course we say, well,
he's dealing with it in the exact opposite way.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
They just kept saying he's trying to defend the Jewish
people and of course defend Israel. I can't say that
we moved them. But later on in the afternoon, there
was somebody who I can't identify, but he came by
and quietly said to us, thank you so much for
coming by the office. We really like this kind of
(37:46):
language and know that there are people inside all of
these offices, and you know, we hear this constantly. It's unbelievable,
certainly from the younger people. We hear it. We hear
it from the front desk staff people, we hear it
from the cafeteria workers, hear it from the people cleaning up.
(38:07):
So you know, that's why we're in the offices every
single day, because we think just our presence there is important.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
And that's what I wanted to ask by because I
find that so interesting. I mean, Tucker Carlson just spent
a not insignificant portion of one of his shows trashing
Randy Fine, and we've covered a lot of polling about
the disconnect between younger and older right leaning Americans on
the question of Israel in Gaza, and so Midia, I'm
curious how your or what you've noticed over time as
(38:36):
you've been doing this having conversations with people who are
at least formerly very associated with the neo conservative wing.
Probably still are, but maybe their's staff isn't. Are you
noticing something different in the last couple of years or
is that just a lot of talk like what have
you seen?
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Emily? You're right, it's absolutely changed. I mean, first is
the generational divide. We see it constantly. It's very unusual.
In fact, that young women that I mentioned about Randy Fimes,
she was unusual in that she really stuck so much
to this. You know, Israel is right. We find that
not only is there a generational divide, people of color
(39:18):
versus white people divide. You know, it is much more
sympathetic among the black members of Congress, not the members,
the staff people, certainly the Muslim ones, but also the Latinos.
You find a lot of support among Latinos. And then
in terms of the Congress people themselves changing well, of course,
(39:42):
you know, we have seen this ever so slowly. I
was in Tom Massey's office yesterday and actually met him
and he said, I'm sure you love my tweet, didn't you,
in which he said for Israel?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
And I said, oh, was significant, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
It was significant. But you know, we said, you've got
to be working with other members of your party. We
need a breakaway moment for Republicans. You know, we have
about twenty five Democrats who have introduced a new resolution
(40:18):
to block the bombs and that was started by Delhia
Ramirez with a number of great members of Congress. We
need something like that on the Republican side. And because
it's so divisive politically, even Republicans like Tom Massey or
Marjorie Tayler Green, they don't want to sign on anything
(40:40):
that comes from the Democrats. So we tell them start
your own. And we've been focusing a lot on Republicans
going to their offices every single day, and sometimes in
a more aggressive way like Randy Fine, and sometimes in
a very respectful, nice way. And we have made some
good relationships and those offices. So we're just waiting for
(41:02):
the moment where they finally will break away. And you know,
we say to them, Trump is counting on you to
support him in the dialogue with Iran UH and Trump
doesn't want to see a continuation of these wars, and
so you can really be helpful. We kind of, you know,
swallow deep when we go and.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I gotta do what you gotta do. But what there
what have you seen in terms of like public support
for Code Pink and number of volunteers for these actions.
You know, what is the sort of EBB and flow
of that beIN.
Speaker 9 (41:44):
Well, it's just been going up and up and up
and up. I mean that among younger people, people who
are not US citizens, it's harder for them to join us,
and they tell us all the time, we wish we
could be there with you, but we're concerned about everything
that you can imagine, their jobs and student loans, everything.
So it falls to a smaller number of people to
(42:06):
do it, but we have a great group of people
and it changes. We get new people constantly who go
around with us in the halls every day, making the visits,
doing the rounds, bringing in the latest piece of legislation,
asking them to sign on to it, asking them to
put out public statements condemning things like the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
(42:29):
And in terms of the support, it's unbelievable. I mean,
members of Code Pink we walk around in the streets
and people will stop their cars to get out and
give us hugs. We are constantly getting thanks from people,
and it's going up and up and up, And I
think it's this starvation that people just can't stand. They've
(42:51):
unfortunately gotten used to the bombings with seeing that for
nineteen months, but now the starvation and that is something
I think that's hard for the members of con to
justify as well. Of course, you know they try to
say it's Hamas and moss stealing the food and that
kind of stuff, but you know, it doesn't really pass
the what the what test?
Speaker 3 (43:11):
What the smell test? Will say any jazz.
Speaker 9 (43:14):
So, yes, we're getting more.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
I don't know if you saw this, but about an
hour ago I reported that next week Congress will be
voting on a resolution that will be standard resolution condemning
the terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, but embedded in it
it said, it will deem that the phrase free Palestine.
And let me put this up here, the phrase free
(43:39):
Palestine is an anti Semitic slogan. So let's see. Yeah, yeah,
it's an anti Semitic slogan that calls for the destruction
of the State of Israel and the Jewish people. So yeah,
whereas while shouting free Palestine an anti Semitic slogan. So
you've seen these resolutions a lot before that it'll say,
(44:02):
you know, we condemn this, you know, truly awful thing,
and then they embed within it something that they're trying
to trap democrats and everybody else into into agreeing with
and in this case, it's it's to agree that the
phrase free Palestine is actually an anti Semitic slogan. How
do you think that'll go? Like, do they still have
(44:24):
the juice that they can ram this through? Are people
still too afraid of voting no and being told how
dare you not condemn this terrorist attack?
Speaker 9 (44:36):
Well? Yes, you see how sneaky they are. But I
think you know, this kind of thing is just played
out too much and doesn't have any weight anymore. It's
just a ridiculous thing to do. And many times we've
seen that some of these worse resolutions don't even pass,
and then if they do pass, you know, they don't
have the weight of law. And as soon as we
(45:00):
hear something like that from you, Ryan and thank you
for alerting us, you know, we'll go into Congress and
we'll just be going from room to room shouting free Palestine,
Free Palestine. So this kind of thing can is another
scare tactic, but I think we're way beyond.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
That, and one that maybe since you just talked to
people like Thomas Massey who have been against that, MEDEA
will be blocked by enough Republicans.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I'm curious what you think about.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
That, Yes, as long as they know what they're voting for,
and that we have to make sure they do. I mean,
we see people like Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, who
doesn't want to vote for these kinds of things, and
so you know, we go to her office and we
alert them, we go to the other offices. But you're right,
I think there's enough Republicans that'll say, you know, this,
(45:47):
this is.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Just although there are probably enough Democrats to push it
over the top. But the first person I noticed one
after I reported it, the first person that responded to
it was a bandoned person who tagged Marjorie Taylor Green, Oh,
interesting thing, help us out here.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
Interesting What some members do on these is they just
vote present because then they're not endorsing it one way
or the other, just to say this is a game
and I'm not going to participate in it, right, And.
Speaker 9 (46:16):
I think you know that these kinds of things, they're
just losing their power. And I feel like APAC is
losing its power. APAC doesn't have the power to get
to the president into the White House. APAX certainly, you know,
I'm not saying they don't have tremendous power. But I
(46:36):
don't feel like they can ram through things like this
the way they used to be able to, because there
are a couple of Republicans who are standing up of so, No,
the tide is turning so so so slowly, but it
is turning.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Media.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
What about on the Democratic side, I mean, on the
one hand, you have more dissent from the lockstep pro
Israel consensus and pro genocide consensus.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
On the Democratic side.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
On the other hand, you have I think a much
vaster gulf between where the elected Democrats are and where
the bases. I mean, the base of the Democratic Party
has basically wholesale turned on this.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Onslaught in Gaza are disgusted with that.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
They don't want weapons going, they want it to end,
they want aid to go in et cetera. And so
have you seen a shift among Democratic members as well
in the way that they're the way that they're interacting
with you, the way that they're feeling about how they
should approach these issues.
Speaker 9 (47:36):
Well, as I said earlier, I think the starvation issue
has really changed things. I think it has made it very,
very uncomfortable for these pro Israel Democrats to be sticking
with the line that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is the
way to go. That anra's full of Hamas supporters, and
(48:00):
we couldn't possibly go with that. You know, we have
been pushing that Democrats have to support the United Nations.
Now that we have Mark Rubio sanctioning the ICC, and
now that we have this just dystopian form of quote
getting food into Gaza, I think it's a chance now
for getting some more of these more conservative Democrats to
(48:24):
go back to saying we have to support the UN agencies.
You know, maybe they don't want to say unrust specifically,
but you know, we have the World Food Program and
Cindy McCain has been so good on these issues of
saying that Hamas is not stealing the aid. So I
think this gives us a little more opening to reach
(48:44):
some of those conservative Democrats at least on this issue
of starving people is not something that the US can support.
And then there's also you know, the issue of a
season fire, which is really not there's not a vehicle
within Congress to show support for a ceasefire right now. Yeah,
(49:07):
that's the vehicles for the food issue. And now this
issue about banning some weapons. But we definitely need need
to bring back up the ceasefire. And that's tough for
Democrats because you know, they see this now in the
Republican court and it's up to Trump to figure this out,
(49:28):
and they don't want to be seen as pushing him
on the ceasefire issue.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Madia, do you get still get like personally nervous when
you're gonna jump up on stage or jump up in
an audience or go into member of Congress's office and
be like stop supporting genocide? Like do you have you
done it so many times that you don't get nervous
for these sorts of things because sometimes, I mean, you've
been roughed up, like you've been, you know, arrested, I'm
sure countless times. Is it intimidating to you still or
(49:55):
you just kind of it's just your day.
Speaker 9 (49:58):
Well, the only thing I get nervous us about is
that I've had a broken shoulder and it's a bad shoulder.
It hurts all the time. And that's exactly where they
take you to arrest you. And if they're going to
be a very tough way, you know that can have
a longer term consequences. So that's the thing that makes
me nervous. I don't get nervous going into congressional offices.
(50:21):
And I want people listening to know that the vast
majority of our time we're going into progressional offices to
have nice meetings, and we want people to come and
join us and not be afraid that you're going to
get arrested. And we need more people, so please come
join us. When we are do thing something about arrests,
(50:42):
it's usually because we are taking an extra going an
extra step and challenging them. If it's in a setting
where there is a lot of security around, and do
you think you're going to get roughed up? That yeah,
that is what makes me nervous. There was a group
(51:02):
of doctors against genocide that was in Congress last week
and they were considering maybe risking arrest, but they decided
it wasn't worth it and had been given warnings that
they were protesting by walking around in the lobby of
the Heartbuilding with a couple of them with photos of
starving children. And when they were given their third warning,
(51:24):
they started walking out the door and maybe saying something
like bread not bombs, and seven of the doctors got arrested.
So the police in the Congress are really ready to
pounce on people. So we want to make sure that
people who go with us who don't want to get
arrested are very much aware of when you are risking
(51:47):
and when you're not.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Medea, how can people help out join up, participate in
one of your actions.
Speaker 9 (51:55):
Well, thank you for asking that, because there are so
many ways that people can and need to participate. If
you're in the DC area, or can even come here
for a few days, or take your vacation time or
your student recess time, come and join us in Washington,
d C. And we are in the halls of Congress
(52:18):
every day, definitely Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursdays, which are the
days that they are in session. And you can sign
up on the code Pink website under DC Actions to
learn more about that. But more important for people all
over the country is to just get involved with Code pink.
Go to our website. We have very very creative actions
(52:40):
that we have been coming up with and asking people
to do. You asked about involvement. I mean, we now
have so many people involved, and it's the power of
the people that counteracts the power of APEX. So please
go to code pink dot org and join us in
any way that you can. We also have many many chaptors,
I should say, and so there might be a chapter
(53:02):
in your city.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Amazing Medea, so much respect for you and it's always
an honor to get to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (53:11):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.