June 9, 2025 • 41 mins
Krystal and Saagar discuss Kash Patel Epstein coverup on Rogan, Trump caves as Abrego Garcia returned to US, Israel raids Gaza freedom flotilla.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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dot com. All right, let's go on to Jeffrey Epstein.
And there's been some I mean, the way the Trump
administration has handled this from day one has been clownish.
You know. We had the original release of the Epstein
files to a bunch of influencers, even though there was
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no new information in there, and in fact, there was
publica avelent information that was redacted in the so called
Epstein files. The release of that was certainly a botched one.
But more recently, the appearance of Cash Battel, the FBI
director on Joe Rogan's podcast has just been nothing short
of insane because Cash Battel, now that he is the
(01:08):
FBI director, is directly contradicting many of the things that
he himself said only just two years ago about the
circumstances of the Jeffrey Epstein case. This surrounds of multiple things. Okay,
so number one starts with Jeffrey Epstein himself and the
so called suicide, where we were told a couple of things.
We were told the camera was off. We were told
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as well that there's dreams of information and hours of
footage that was seized by the FBI in the initial
rate of the Epstein mansion that has been held by
the FBI, the infamous Black Book, and so many of
the others that the FBI had and had not yet
been released to the public. And yet now we are
told by Cash Pattel a couple of things. They say
that the camera allegedly was on this whole time. By
the way, we were not told that that's actually the
(01:52):
opposite of the original story. For the way this so
called suicide went down. We're told by the top levels
of the FBI that actually Epstein did kill himself. After all,
there hundred percent certain. They can't release WHL file to
dos because we're not allowed to know as the public.
And we're also not going to see any of the
footage that was seized by the FBI because they don't
want to revictimize women. So let's take a listen to
(02:13):
twenty twenty three Cash Betel and today's Cash Betel. Why
is the FBI protecting the greatest pederist, the largest scale
pederist in human history.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Simple because of who's on that list. You don't think
that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress. We're night and day
to prevent the disclosure of that list. And why is
it that the Senate?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And good for Senator Blackburn to try to get it out.
But then Dick Turbin comes over the top and says, no,
we're not going to release the names. I don't care
about the list itself, but if released the names, right
and I've said it, Dan Bongino said it. We've reviewed
all the information and the American public is going to
get as much as we can release.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
He killed himself.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Do you think let's play out the logical conclusion of this.
Do you think that myself Bongino and others would participate
pay in hiding information about Epstein's grow test activities, or
do you think we would also participate in not prosecuting
people we had evidence to prosecute people on where's the
(03:13):
videotape of Anifstein Island of X, Y and Z committing
these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us? Do
you really think I wouldn't give that to you if
it existed.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
No, It's like, do you I think you would participate
in a cover up if you're at the top level
of a FBI and subject to a massive blackmail machine
at the top of an international intelligence apparatus. Yeah, I
do think that, and in fact, because all of history
ve indicates that, looking at literally the history of the FBI.
But broadly, I mean, we can just compare all of
the same things that they said to what they're now saying.
(03:44):
I mean, the craziest thing he's saying is that we
were not going to re victimize women. And I understand
the I would understand if we're saying that in six
now we have what we have technology to be able
to I mean, listen murder and other images which are
ghastly and devastating or released to the public. All the time.
They redact images, you know, for example of like actual victims,
(04:07):
but very often, especially in fact, in cases like this,
they will make sure to protect the child, underage women
or the victim's identity, while at the same time releasing
footage of the perpetrators. Remember, we still to this date
do not have an accurate accounting of the island, of
the files and everything that went on inside of that mansion,
(04:27):
so called hidden cameras. And I know all of this
quote sounds crazy, but like this is documented fact at
this point. So here we have cash Patel saying he
won't revictimize women, but most importantly saying that the cameras
were on in the Epstein prison. Again, that is a
direct lie then told previously by the Bureau of Prisons
and by the Trump administration the initial time around itself.
(04:49):
Let's take a listen, what about the video from the island.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh that's sorry, So you're talking about t yeah so sorry,
so yeah, so again, We're going to give you everything
we can, and people have to remember, we're not going
to revictimize women. We're not going to put that shit
back out there. It's not happening because then he wins
not doing it. You want to hate me for it?
Fine again, logical playout. If there was a video of
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some guy or gal committing felonies on an island and
I'm in charge, don't you think you'd see.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It if you have access to it, If.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I have it, period, If I have it, If I
have it, so where else would it be right?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
If you have it?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
But you can't say that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You have it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, we're giving you everything we have so far. Everything
we have so far is.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Have you guys gone over all the video that's available.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. That's what takes so
much damn time. But the problem is there's been like
fifteen years of people coming in and creating fictions about
this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of Anne, of
X Y and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you
given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't
give that to you if it existed. I'm working my
ass off, along with the leadership at the Bureau DJ
(06:09):
to get you what we're allowed to give you. And
you're gonna get the video of the cell and you're
gonna see for yourself. And we will never be able
to convince everyone.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
What you know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's like, don't you think I would give that to you?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, actually, because you're not at the video, we're gonna
see her.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He said the camera was on. That's literally not what
we were told. So the camera was off and the
guards were sleeping, And like, oh yeah, okay, I think
sham bonding.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
This administration said that, didn't she Well.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
She said that they had been reviewing hours of video.
We can actually we may even have that. I'm not sure. No,
we don't have it today. But she previously had said
that we are reviewing thousands of hours of video, and
now they're like, well, actually, we can't release any of
that video to the public.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Also, there's not the video you want. And also we
have definitive proof, even though we didn't before.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Look, there's a easy way to solve all of this.
Release it all to the public. Okay, you can easily
release all of this to the American public. We will
make up our minds for ourselves, and you can do
that while being sensitive to the victims. I also would
honestly like to have a poll and a survey of
the all the Epstein victims and ask them, Hey, is
it okay for us to be able to see this
(07:14):
is while we do all the sensitive work of making
sure we redact you and privately and keep your privacy.
I guarantee you these people would be willing to have
it out in the public because they were horribly victimized
and they want their you know, the people who took
advantage of them to be held accountable to the public.
And this also is where the Elon you know tie
incomes where Elon claimed that it was that Trump himself
(07:36):
was implicated in the Epstein files, and that's part of
the reason why that Trump has not released them yet
to date. So pretty extraordinary accusation.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Before we play what Trumps because every time Trump gets
asked about this, he gets real squirrely. Right, going back
to his first administration, when we got asked about Gleine Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I say the infamous I wish well, I wish her
well well.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Epstein said that Trump was his Bessie for ten years.
Whether that is fully accurate or not, we know they
were friends, We have video and pictures on them together.
We know Trump was on the plane seven times according
to the flight logs. We know Trump in an interview
was like, yeah, he likes him young, So like one
hundred percent Trump is quote unquote in the Epstein files.
(08:17):
You know what all that entails is another matter. But yeah,
I mean this is why it's always been so funny.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
The right had a deep interest in this.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think there's good reason to have a deep interest
in it, especially in particular how it ties into all
of these wealthy and powerful people and potential you know,
Israeli Masad activities as well. Yeah, and that's and that's
the other reason why very likely the government doesn't want
to release everything that's available, because that will be abundantly
clear that he, you know, was an intelligence asseid maybe
(08:48):
potentially for the lawyers whatever. But but you've got those
two things. You've got this very pro Israel administration. You
have a guy who spent years entangled with this man,
and you think you're going to get all the goods
on him, even though repeatedly when Trump.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Gets asked about this, he dodges. And so let's go.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Ahead and play this video of him getting asked on
Fox News. And this was crazy too. So Fox News
in the run into the election, they asked him like,
what about UFOs, what about JFK and.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He's like, yes, release it, Yes, release it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And they're like what about Epstein And he's like yeah,
well and they edited it originally to cut down all
the rest of the like, well, no, I probably actually
won't do that, and there's some problems et cetera. To
make it sound like he was like, yes, we're going
to release it. Let's go ahead and take a listen
to the unedited version of what he actually said in
that Fox News interview.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Would you declassify the nine to eleven files?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Would you declassified JFK files?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah? Would? I did a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I guess I would.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think that less so because you know, you don't
know if you don't want to affect people's lives if
it's phony stuff in there, because there's a lot of
phony stuff with that whole world.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But I think I.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Would, So different than just an affirmative yes any Always
every time he gets asked about it, it's something similar like, hell,
I'm worried about their privacy and people are involved, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, h people are involved.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, look, no matter who is president, just really
at this point, you know, we all genuinely do deserve
to know. I mean I think there I actually genuinely
believe that it's not Trump which is holding all of
this up. I think it's Israel. I think it's mos Odd.
I think it's very obvious considering the original comments by
alex Acosta and by the initial prosecutors quote intelligence was involved.
(10:32):
I mean, this is a direct quote. You can go
and read it for yourself if you want to. Back
from twenty nineteen. I think that's the only reason that
we don't know. In a sense, we don't even you know,
like without the files, we know everything that we need
to know. Israeli agent. We're gathering intelligence on all of
the highest levels of American society. For what purpose you
(10:53):
can only guess. And that's another thing. People are like, well,
how do they use this information? I don't think people
understand how intelligence gathering works. The whole point is that
you gather it so that you may have to use
it in the future in case you need to aid Barock,
the Prime Minister of Israel literally spending multiple nights week
at his mansion. Okay, this is These are documented facts,
like using his money to invest with all of the
(11:14):
world's billionaires from Peter Teel which has when more recently
revealed to Leon Black at the Apollo. I'm not even
worried about people suing me. This is fact, like, literally
had to resign from his company. One of the most
private or one of the most powerful billionaires in the
world had to resign from his company because of his
what was it two hundred million dollar payment via his
(11:36):
private jet LLC that was being paid by or being
paid to Jeffrey Epstein over one hundred and fifty million. Yeah,
definitely for jet maintenance. I'm sure that's what it was
all about. Bill Gates and the Nobel p I mean,
this is obvious.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And then Peter Teel piece is the is the new, Yes,
brand new.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
He had a lot of money, and there he had
a bunch of money I think in one of his
funds it's apparently now yielding incredible results to the Jeffrey
Epstein estate. The point is just that the money was
a tool obviously. Also, yeah, Leslie Wexner, who I think
is still alive to this day, who just miraculously gifted
him all this money for no apparent reason or any
(12:11):
of that whatsoever. This is obvious and like, I know
it sounds like eyes wide shut, but it's all real,
Like this is documented, it is, it exists, you know,
President or Bill Clinton on the plane multiple times, Junior
by his own admission, on the flame a couple of times.
I mean that's the part I don't get either. When
you're filthy rich, why are we accepting gifts like this
(12:33):
from you know, questionable people. Do you have the money
just fly yourself? I don't get it. Yeah, I see
YouTube posts, don't act.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Always wanted to ignore his ties and how closely linked
he was with Epstein and all the documentary evidence, and
then think that he was going to be the one
that finally you know, between the pro how pro Israel
he is, and his own linkages, Like I never thought
we were going to see any of this, And it's
just wild to see cash out there, like.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, you know, it's just not there.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And we've determined conclusively he definitely killed himself, but we
can't you know, we're not going to show you. And
now the cameras are on whatever. It's wild situation. The
last piece here is Elon has now deleted his posts
accusing Trump of being in the Epstein files, and there
were some other things that he had posted where he
was saying, I will fully apologize to Trump once he
(13:21):
fully releases the Epstein files. I think he also deleted
those ones, tool though double check me on that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know, I mean, I don't even understand this behavior. Like,
once it's out there, it's out there. It's not like
anyone's gonna forget that he posted this. It's just sort
of like childlikely go if I delete it now, I
can take it back, which you can't really take that back.
But I don't know what's going on with Elon's also
out tweeting a bunch about what's going on in LA
in a way that's like very favorable for Trump and
(13:50):
for Mega and you know, supporting the National Guard being
brought in whatever. So I don't know if he's trying
to mend fences. I don't know if that's possible at
this point, because I don't think you can really come
back fully from what has been said and done at
this point. But it is interesting to me as well
that we'll talk about this in the Theomone segment. Apparently
Trump advised Jadie Vance to be diplomatic when it comes to.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Elon very weird.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I mean, not the way that Trump typically behaves like normally,
once you cross him, that's.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
It scorched earth, right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I expected him to have some story equivalent to the
remember the whole story tell about like DeSantis coming tears
in his eyes.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Begging me.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I thought we'd have something like that and some like
elaborate display of humiliation.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He's been pretty low key.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Maybe it's because he does hold all the power, you know,
and can punish him in all of.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
These various ways.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
But it's just interesting to me how differently he's responded
than what you would normally expect from Trump, where Elon
has gone fully nuclear and Trump has been like kind
of conciliatory.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Honestly, Yeah, I agree, there are some weird stuff that
is going on.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
We've alluded to this a number of times in the show.
It's gone break down the news for you kill mar
Abrego Garcia is coming back to the US. If he's
not here already, let's go ahead and put this up
on the screen from Axios Ronley deported kill mar Abrego
Garcia returning the US to face criminal charges. So he's
on his way back. According to a newly unsealed indictment.
(15:17):
His deportation, they say to Al Salvador has been a flashpoint,
you might say, in President Trump's immigration agenda. That indictment
alleges that Abrego Garcia, who lives in Maryland, made more
than one hundred trips transporting undocumented immigrants between Texas and Maryland,
among other states. According to Attorney General Pam Bondi, siding
co conspirator's testimony, Abergo Garcia also allegedly abused undocumented immigrant
(15:39):
women and solicited nude photographs and videos from a minor.
Let's go and put this indictment up on the screen.
I did read through it. You know, we'll see what
evidence they they proffer. But here USA today, says Attorney
General says kill mar Abrego was part of international smuggling ring.
This goes back to there was some footage that was
released of him where he was stopped while he was
(16:03):
driving and he had a number of people in the car.
It was a vehicle that had been modified to allow
more people to be there. He wasn't apprehended or anything
at the time, but they considered it sort of fishy
because the people did not seem to have luggage with them.
I believe he said that he was bringing them to
a job or something like that. So that's sort of
the context of what the indictment centers around. We do
(16:25):
know that there was one prosecutor who was meant to
be involved with this put D four up on the screen,
who resigned over the decision to pursue this indictment led
to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, high ranking federal
prosecutor in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Shutters.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Resignation was prompted by concerns the case was being pursued
for political reasons, according to sources, I can't I think
this was NBC News that reported this out that I
can't remember specifically. So anyway, we'll see what happens with
the charges. We'll see whether they have sufficient evidence to
actually you find him guilty of these alleged crimes. But
obviously the fact that they felt after they said absolutely
(17:06):
no way is this man coming back, that they felt
enough pressure to bring him home, both from the public
and from the court system, is quite extraordinary. And so
now he will go through the court system, he will
have his due process, a jury of his peers will
evaluate the evidence against him, and he will have his
day in court and ultimately soccer.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's really all that anyone was asking for.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I think it's extraordinary that they buckled and they ended
up bringing back I mean, it is pretty crazy because
they said he wasn't going to but I mean, at
the end of the day, the Supreme Court order was
pretty unambiguous. They're like, he needs to be returned to
the United States of America because he was deported in
violation of this order. I mean, I you know, even
for me, somebody like me, considering how many twists and
(17:48):
turns we've had here with Abrego Garcia, I'm like, I
wonder how much of that. I wonder whether he stands
a pretty damn good chance in court because they have
alleged all kinds of things, right, I mean, even if
you look at the original it was like he was
being deported, he was a member of MS thirteen. I mean,
like maybe, but then he was a human trafficker, and
then he was a wife beater. I mean, look, it's complicated, right,
(18:10):
He's never been accused or whatever of any of these things.
But this is another step where they're alleging, effectively that
he's like some master human trafficker, and they had never
originally said that. Now it's possible that it's true because
they've probably spent the time since to gather the evidence.
Maybe they thought it was a pr victory to be
able to gather you know, use the full force the FBI,
(18:32):
gather all this evidence. I will say, if he does
get convicted, this is not going to look good, right,
and stuff can be in a narrative violation for a
lot of people. It's not some Maryland Father or whatever
that they're trying to use here, But broadly, look, this
is what I was talking about with la what they
did with L Salvador, and then eventually the falling apart
(18:53):
of a lot of the narrative Aroundel Salvador really burned
of their god and their credibility. I wouldn't say necessarily
with the public, but definitely the media because at that point, look,
you had a situation where everybody knew Trump was going
to pursue deportations, you knew using into some extraordinary action, etc. Etc.
But with the falling apart of many of the cases,
and in particular with a lot of the evidentiary you know,
(19:15):
stuff that they used, and then the eventual defeats over
and over again at the Supreme Court level for the
actual process by whichwas was done. I mean, I think
it's basically comparable to two thousand and two Guantanamo Bay,
Like if we really think about it, where anybody who
was in Afghanistan or anybody who was like that guy's
a terrorist eventually ended up in Guantanamo. And I mean
(19:39):
it's kind of crazy because what some twenty three years
later you would have thought, especially for an administration that
kind of prizes itself as being anti the Bush administration
effectively recreated a lot of stuff. This is something that
Glenn Greenwall in particular really talked about it, and I mean,
obviously that's what changed a lot of my thoughts on
this in particular now since the fallout. But the fact
that they did have to bring kill Marbray Garcia back
(20:01):
is evidence that the court matters still. I think public
pressure media as well. It was undeniable, Like, let's be
it was genuinely undeniable. It's like, you're not supposed to
be deported, and he got deported. I mean, and I'm
not saying not supposed to it. I'm saying as illegally
had a hold on him. He can come back to
the United States. He will now face a jury in
a trial. We'll see how it all works out. Yeah,
(20:24):
but yeah, just broadly, you cannot look at this. They're
trying to play it as like it's a victory. No,
this is a massive l for the Trump administration. Like
you said you weren't going to do it, and you
brought it back. There's no getting around it. Yeah, period,
and the story.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I want to be really clear about what he's
actually being charged with in this indictment, which again to
see the evidence, because lord knows that it's possible they
gin this up because they needed some sort of pretext
to make it look like they're not completely full.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Of That is the benefit of going through the American
federal system. It's like, look, the federal court is not
a joke like you. Even if it's a political prosecution,
you have to produce it.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They're they're going to have to prove their case.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You have to produce it. And now, I mean this
is enough. Look, I mean Abrago Garcia can do what
he wants, but go to trial because then we will
all see it. If you just plead guilty, we're not
going to see any of this. But uh, yeah, you
should go to trial if for a public interest or
at the very least his defense attorney should release all
the discovery and all that stuff. Yeah that they have,
because at this point that is obviously to the public.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So they're they're indicting him on conspiracy to unlawfully transport
illegal aliens for financial gain and unlawful transportation of alien
legal aliens for financial gains. So basically the core of
the indictment alleges that he was transporting people that he
knew to be undocumented between different states. So, you know,
they this is like, you know, a nitpicky thing. They
(21:43):
keep calling him a traffick or trafficker is someone who's
doing this against people's will. There's no allegation here that
these were people who you know, were being smuggled against
their will. It's more that he was transporting them and
knowing that these were undocumented immigrants. That's what the indictment says.
But the reason I want to clarify by that is
because Pam Bondy in the news conference about this, made
(22:03):
all sorts of wild allegations tying him to a murder
and this and that different thing. Even though none of
that is in this indictment whatsoever. Again to try to
project this this you know image like he's some high
level EMMAS thirteen gang member and you know, going way
beyond what they were even able to obtain an indictment
for Let's go ahead and listen to a little bit
(22:25):
of that press conference and some of the pushbacks she
got at the end.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Maybe I misunderstood you, but you were mentioning, you know
that he had some involvement in these murder you know,
or was connected to groups that had you know, involved
with this other smuggling ring. But to be clear, the
only charges he's facing right now are the like you know,
human smuggling charges.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Just this the Yeah, that's the one offense.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
But the other things that you have talked about are
not actually in the indictment. You know, co conspirators alleged that,
and we were clear to say that he is charged
with it's not only very serious charges of alien smuggling.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
So those are the specifics.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The other thing that I would say saga about this
is you know you have kilmarbergo Garcia. You also have
some two hundred plus other people who were shipped to
SEACOT with zero due process, many of whom we already
know had zero criminal record. You know, according to the
analysis that's done by multiple news organizations, the vast majority
of them did not have criminal records, either here or abroad.
(23:27):
They searched the databases of a number of countries, and
you know, there's an effort in the courts. There was
a ruling actually from the judge here in DC, Judge Bosberg,
to say, you've got to give them a chance to also,
you know, like file a haeas rid of habeas corpus.
They have to be able to challenge their detention as well.
They have to be able to get some sort of
due process. Supreme Court has said they were entitled that
(23:49):
and they did not receive it. So the other thing
that I think is significant here is kind of a
crack in the foundation because previously it was just like
once you're gone, you're gone, and that's it, and we're
not doing nothing about it. So the fact that they
did and are bringing this one person back, I think
also opens up a crack in terms of the narrative here.
And then the last thing we mentioned a couple of times,
(24:12):
just so you can see for yourself, they were adamant.
There is no way, under no circumstance is Abrego Garcia
coming home. Here is Secretary Christy No, I'm saying exactly that.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Should never have been in this country and will not
be coming back to this country. There is no scenario
where Abrego Garcia will be in the United States again.
If he were to come back, we would immediately deport
him again because he is a terrorist, he's a human smuggler,
and he is a wife beater.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
There is no scenario where he will be coming back
to this country.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Guess what. Here we are a few weeks later and
he is coming back.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It is nuts. I mean it's literally Gitmo, right, we
went worst of the worst. How many what percent of
people have been released from Guantanamo? I forget, It's like
probably seventy or eighty percent. They're like, we're going to
p prosecute them, and then they're like, oh, actually we
have to drop all the charges because there was torture
involved here, and actually we can't prove a lot of
(25:07):
this stuff. I agree. I mean, this is basically, if
we're following the same playbook, we have two, then by
three you start to see some releases and some legal
justification and eventually the bar cracks in the legal system
two thousand and six. I think it's hom dv. Rumsfeld.
We're about hot Habeas corpus now that they don't even
need to go through all of that, right because that's
(25:28):
already here law of the land. There's going to be
some legal process. The fact that you haven't had some
sort of seacot level removal since that time, has, you know,
is obviously also evidence of what's happening. But I mean,
I know there's been some I forget I was vaguely
aware what was it Djibouti or something like they were
sent South Sudan or something, but I think it's not
the same. But especially egally, you can correct me if
(25:51):
I'm wrong, they're taking a lot of problems in the
in the court system, and I think that that's that
this is part of what you will eventually see.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, so extraordinary development all the way around. So listen, guys,
we'd planned to talk about the ohon, but we've got
our guests to reading. We have the spokesperson from that
Gaza Aid flotilla who we really want to talk to,
so I'll let the bros handle.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
The broke well, I was it's appropriate.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'll exempt myself from that conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So I think THEO gets unfairly lumped into the manosphere.
I think he's actually very funny, Like not.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Even in a broke He's not funny, no, but but.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I'm saying the New York Times people kind of put
him in a manosphere. He's not like a creatine body.
But you know what I'm saying, Like, to me, Rogan
is much more like of a bro just in terms
of his life and like kind of the podcast and UFC.
But and I know THEO attends all of that, but like,
I actually think he's a very funny person who does
not rely on like bro comedy. Genuinely.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I don't really consume this content outside of the things
that are political.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And I would tell you I think you would like
his out of all of the major ones, this is
probably the least political to me. He only goes viral for.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
But I'm not interested anything that's not I'm telling it's funny.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, like Timothy Shallowman his podcast, they actually a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
How would you compare him with with Tim Dillon?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think Tim is a lot I mean Tim is
a very tim Is to me is more of like
a George Carlin esque figure, like intellectual. Well, he's a
very He is political in that I've seen his stand
up and actually was surprised when the first time I
saw his whole set it was not nearly as political
as a lot of his podcasts. But he is like
carl And esque, and he likes to point out the
absurdity of a lot of politicians and a lot of
(27:31):
like public facing media. I have not ever seen THEO
any of his stand up, like live or anything like that,
but I would be willing to gas just based on
his podcast and all that. It's a little bit more
of like a societal observation. So yeah, Anyway, I think
out of all of the so called bro podcasters, I
actually think he's the least political in terms of his
as normal content. He does have a lot of politicians on,
(27:52):
but I don't I think it's noteworthy if we remember
when Trump came on, that's when THEO was talking about
like being a drug addict.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And and that's really more of his thing.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
He has on like therapists and yes, actually on some
pretty interesting people. I think he has some good guests
theil keep it up now, all right here, I actually
think you're very good at weading.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
All right, All that being said, that combo will happen tomorrow.
Let's go ahead and get to the latest with this
Gaza AID flotilla. So we have some pretty dire updates
coming from that Gaza Aid Freedom flotilla that was attempting
to break the siege in Gaza. All the members of
that AID group, including Greta Tundberg, have been arrested by
the IDF and are now being held in Israeli prisons.
(28:32):
So in order to give us an update, we're really
fortunate to be joined this morning by Huita Eira. She's
actually the spokesperson for the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. She also
is a human rights attorney, and she joins us. Now welcome,
Thank you, Yes, of course. So let's go ahead and
start with some of the images that we were receiving
from the ship yesterday.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Let's go ahead and play. I'm going to show you.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
A video of quad copters that initially intercepted the ship
and dropped a strange subject substance on board, so people
can see what was going on here.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Let's take a look at that.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Okay, we have we are masking our face right now.
We are cut coutures right above our heads, the most
dangerous ones, and they are they are I don't know
what this is. You don't know what pains are. Some chemicalology,
(29:30):
no idea, but please send the alarm. They say that
they want to intercept them in a very calm way.
But we know what's happening. There is another war crime
about to happen. We will keep you updated. Please put
pressure on the government. Tell them that we are here
(29:52):
because they are aiding and abetting this genocide. They are
upholding a legal blockade. They're using starvation as a weapon
of war. This cannot go on.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
You cannot live in a future like this.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
You need to do everything in your power and your power,
use your bodies, use your horses. Amplified the voice of Palestinians,
and do tell them that.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
We are here because they're not doing their jobs.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Pawita, what do we know about what has happened?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Yeah, Crystal, those images that you just showed were some
of the final images and sounds that we had from
our colleagues aboard the Madeleine. It was well in international waters,
some one hundred and ten miles still outside of Palestinian
territorial waters where they were headed to Gaza. Shortly after,
(30:40):
we saw lights from Israeli commandos and the boat was hit,
and then the communication was cut off and we have
not heard from them. Since it has been over thirteen hours.
We have not heard from them. We hear the Israeli
government saying that they are being brought to the Israeli
(31:03):
port of Ashtud. We need to stress that they are
being taken against their will. They have been abducted unlawfully
from international waters and are being taken against their will
to the Israeli port of Ashtud, where the Israeli government
will presumably process them. We hope that they do not
(31:24):
further abuse them. And we continue to call on all governments,
but especially the governments of these states, to sanction Israel
because it continues to commit these blatant violations of international
law aggression. We see what's happening in Gaza. Why we
were at sea is because of our government in action
(31:46):
as to what is happening to Palestinian people in Gaza,
and it is enough silence. Israel has no legal authority
to intercept a peaceful vessel. Sailing from international waters into
Palestinian territorial waters.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
It says it.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Had to uphold or defend its maritime closure of Gaza.
It has no authority to enforce an unlawful blockade that
is designed to starve a civilian population, and there is
no security threat from a sailboat that is carrying twelve
civilians and baby formula for babies who are being starved
to death. So our governments need to stop accepting these
(32:27):
abuses and pretexts from Israel as it continues to trample
all over international law and genocide a people while they're at.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
It, Hueita, can you tell us about that seizure in
international water? So this was one where the flotilla was
actually outside of any recognized territory. What was the justification
that was given to the flotilla for this arrest? And
have you been notified yet if they're going to face
prosecution and detention inside of Israel for this?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Thank you for that question because it is so important.
Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas,
there is freedom of navigation on the high seas. This ship,
the Madlin, was unarmed, carrying twelve civilians, including a member
of the European Parliament, including a doctor and journalists and
human rights advocates, and it was carrying humanitarian aid for
(33:26):
eight people under siege. It constituted no threat. Israel had
no authority to intercept it, nor to use violence to
intercept it, certainly not on the high seas, but even
if it had reached Palestinian territorial waters, because the International
Court of Justice last year advised US that Israel's occupation,
(33:49):
its presence in all of the occupied Palestinian territories is unlawful,
and governments have an obligation not to recognize the illegal
situation that Israel has created, and have a further obligation
to do as much as they can everything they can
to end this illegal situation. And on top of that,
(34:09):
Israel is instituting this comprehensive blockade that is designed to
starve an entire civilian population.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
That is a war crime, and it is not new.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
We're seeing the dramatic effects of it now, of denying
everything food, water, aid, medicine to a people who have
been bombarded for nearly two years. We are seeing emaciated children.
We are hearing reports of accountless babies who have already
died of starvation, all of this being done before the
eyes of the world, while our governments do nothing or
(34:41):
are actively complicit. So it is important to stress that
no government has the authority to enforce an illegal blockade,
and that is exactly what this is. Israel says it's
a lawful maritime closure. It is absolutely not, and no
serious legal authority will tell you that this is a
lawful maritime closure. And we were not even close to
(35:04):
that border. It went out into well into international waters,
over about one hundred miles from Palestinian territorial waters, which
is not too much different from what it did. Just
a month ago. We had another ship that was going
to head towards Goza carrying humanitarian aid. That ship was
named the Conscience and it was right outside of Malta
(35:27):
and in European waters, some two thousand miles from Israeli
territorial waters, and Israel sent its drones to bomb that ship.
And so Israel is using this kind of unjustified force
against civilian objects, against humanitarian aid workers, all to stop
(35:48):
people from trying to get to Gaza again, an unlawful blockade.
The Freedom Flotilla coalition is trying to break it, but
our governments should be doing the same, and if they don't,
we invite people all over the world to join us
for the next book we're going to send.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Because we can't stop.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
To that point, Grata and others on board release pre
recorded videos calling on people to pressure their governments. Let's
go ahead and take a listen to a little bit
of what they had to say.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
My name is Grifatimba and I am from Sweden.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
If you see this video, we.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
Have been intercepted and kidnapped in international waters by the
Israeli occupational forces or forces that support israel I. Urge
all my friends, family and comrades to put pressure on
the Swedish government to release me and the others as
soon as possible.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
So my name is river Sea, I'm from friends. If
you see this video, it means that we got intercepted
by the Israelis forces or complicits and we made maybe
in a very bad situation now. So I do ask
our comrades, our family friends to please share this video
(37:02):
and put pressure on the French government so that we
could be with my friends released and also of course
that this genocide ends.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I had two questions for you first, following up on
what Grata was saying there, what are you calling on
people around the world to do to support these activists
and their work? And also I saw reports that there
may have been coordination with some other attempts to break
the siege, So what happens next?
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yes, we recorded those videos because we anticipated this kind
of violent interception by Israeli forces. They have attacked us before,
They have seriously injured and even killed our volunteers before,
most notably in twenty ten a flutilla that I was
on is Real violently rated that one and killed ten
of our volunteers, And so we pre recorded these and
(37:52):
put this out as soon as we lost connection with them.
We are asking people all over the world to call
on the government of these countries to put pressure on
Israel to release them immediately, to guarantee their safety, and also,
as you heard Revase at the end, also to undertake
their obligations under international law to stop this genocide. Because
(38:16):
the very reason that we have these twelve international civilians,
our colleagues now abducted by Israeli forces is because they
had to be at sea doing what our governments should
be doing. And I want to stress that these twelve
are now abducted or disappeared. We haven't heard from them
in nearly fourteen hours.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Now.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Thousands to thousands of Palestinians. Ten thousand Palestinians are also
disappeared and are in Israeli dungeons. But we know that
because of the privilege of the passports of the internationals,
and because the eyes of the world are on them,
and because we have thousands, tens of thousands of people
mobilizing to put on these pressures, we know that they
(39:03):
have more safety than the thousands of Palestinians and the
two million Palestinians in Gaza. No government to speak up
for them and protect them. So we are asking people
to put this pressure to ensure the safety of these civilians.
But also we need to keep pressure and remember why
we're doing this, and that is to stop the genocide
(39:25):
and protect the people of Gaza, and that requires governments
upholding their obligations under international law. And so I mentioned
that they're attack us now, but we're not going to stop.
So we will be organizing to send another mission as
soon as we can. We invite organizations, people and institutions
(39:46):
that have more resources than we do to also mobilize
boats and come with us, but we are also in
coordination with other civil society initiatives that are aiming to
break the blockade in other ways. Today June ninth, a
land convoy left from Tunisia and it's making its way
through Libya to Egypt and hopefully on its way to Gaza.
(40:07):
And in just a few days thousands of people will
be coming flying into Cairo from around the world and
attempting to march to Rafa, the border of Gaza with Egypt,
and demand that they be let through, because we have
a situation where Israel has turned Gaza into a death
camp and we have to do everything we can to
break down these walls, to break the siege in any
(40:30):
way we can, and that is civilian, nonviolent direct action,
but also the pressure of people all over the world
calling on our governments to also sanction Israel and hold
it responsible for what it has been doing and continues
to do.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Huita, thank you so much for joining us this morning.
We really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you so much
for having me. Thank you it's our pleasure.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Thank you guys so much for watching, and it's great
to be back. Crystal We will be back with you
all tomorrow.
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dot com. All right, let's go on to Jeffrey Epstein.
And there's been some I mean, the way the Trump
administration has handled this from day one has been clownish.
You know. We had the original release of the Epstein
files to a bunch of influencers, even though there was
(00:48):
no new information in there, and in fact, there was
publica avelent information that was redacted in the so called
Epstein files. The release of that was certainly a botched one.
But more recently, the appearance of Cash Battel, the FBI
director on Joe Rogan's podcast has just been nothing short
of insane because Cash Battel, now that he is the
(01:08):
FBI director, is directly contradicting many of the things that
he himself said only just two years ago about the
circumstances of the Jeffrey Epstein case. This surrounds of multiple things. Okay,
so number one starts with Jeffrey Epstein himself and the
so called suicide, where we were told a couple of things.
We were told the camera was off. We were told
(01:31):
as well that there's dreams of information and hours of
footage that was seized by the FBI in the initial
rate of the Epstein mansion that has been held by
the FBI, the infamous Black Book, and so many of
the others that the FBI had and had not yet
been released to the public. And yet now we are
told by Cash Pattel a couple of things. They say
that the camera allegedly was on this whole time. By
the way, we were not told that that's actually the
(01:52):
opposite of the original story. For the way this so
called suicide went down. We're told by the top levels
of the FBI that actually Epstein did kill himself. After all,
there hundred percent certain. They can't release WHL file to
dos because we're not allowed to know as the public.
And we're also not going to see any of the
footage that was seized by the FBI because they don't
want to revictimize women. So let's take a listen to
(02:13):
twenty twenty three Cash Betel and today's Cash Betel. Why
is the FBI protecting the greatest pederist, the largest scale
pederist in human history.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Simple because of who's on that list. You don't think
that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress. We're night and day
to prevent the disclosure of that list. And why is
it that the Senate?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And good for Senator Blackburn to try to get it out.
But then Dick Turbin comes over the top and says, no,
we're not going to release the names. I don't care
about the list itself, but if released the names, right
and I've said it, Dan Bongino said it. We've reviewed
all the information and the American public is going to
get as much as we can release.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
He killed himself.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Do you think let's play out the logical conclusion of this.
Do you think that myself Bongino and others would participate
pay in hiding information about Epstein's grow test activities, or
do you think we would also participate in not prosecuting
people we had evidence to prosecute people on where's the
(03:13):
videotape of Anifstein Island of X, Y and Z committing
these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us? Do
you really think I wouldn't give that to you if
it existed.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
No, It's like, do you I think you would participate
in a cover up if you're at the top level
of a FBI and subject to a massive blackmail machine
at the top of an international intelligence apparatus. Yeah, I
do think that, and in fact, because all of history
ve indicates that, looking at literally the history of the FBI.
But broadly, I mean, we can just compare all of
the same things that they said to what they're now saying.
(03:44):
I mean, the craziest thing he's saying is that we
were not going to re victimize women. And I understand
the I would understand if we're saying that in six
now we have what we have technology to be able
to I mean, listen murder and other images which are
ghastly and devastating or released to the public. All the time.
They redact images, you know, for example of like actual victims,
(04:07):
but very often, especially in fact, in cases like this,
they will make sure to protect the child, underage women
or the victim's identity, while at the same time releasing
footage of the perpetrators. Remember, we still to this date
do not have an accurate accounting of the island, of
the files and everything that went on inside of that mansion,
(04:27):
so called hidden cameras. And I know all of this
quote sounds crazy, but like this is documented fact at
this point. So here we have cash Patel saying he
won't revictimize women, but most importantly saying that the cameras
were on in the Epstein prison. Again, that is a
direct lie then told previously by the Bureau of Prisons
and by the Trump administration the initial time around itself.
(04:49):
Let's take a listen, what about the video from the island.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh that's sorry, So you're talking about t yeah so sorry,
so yeah, so again, We're going to give you everything
we can, and people have to remember, we're not going
to revictimize women. We're not going to put that shit
back out there. It's not happening because then he wins
not doing it. You want to hate me for it?
Fine again, logical playout. If there was a video of
(05:17):
some guy or gal committing felonies on an island and
I'm in charge, don't you think you'd see.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It if you have access to it, If.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I have it, period, If I have it, If I
have it, so where else would it be right?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
If you have it?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
But you can't say that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You have it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, we're giving you everything we have so far. Everything
we have so far is.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Have you guys gone over all the video that's available.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. That's what takes so
much damn time. But the problem is there's been like
fifteen years of people coming in and creating fictions about
this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of Anne, of
X Y and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you
given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't
give that to you if it existed. I'm working my
ass off, along with the leadership at the Bureau DJ
(06:09):
to get you what we're allowed to give you. And
you're gonna get the video of the cell and you're
gonna see for yourself. And we will never be able
to convince everyone.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
What you know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's like, don't you think I would give that to you?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, actually, because you're not at the video, we're gonna
see her.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He said the camera was on. That's literally not what
we were told. So the camera was off and the
guards were sleeping, And like, oh yeah, okay, I think
sham bonding.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
This administration said that, didn't she Well.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
She said that they had been reviewing hours of video.
We can actually we may even have that. I'm not sure. No,
we don't have it today. But she previously had said
that we are reviewing thousands of hours of video, and
now they're like, well, actually, we can't release any of
that video to the public.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Also, there's not the video you want. And also we
have definitive proof, even though we didn't before.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Look, there's a easy way to solve all of this.
Release it all to the public. Okay, you can easily
release all of this to the American public. We will
make up our minds for ourselves, and you can do
that while being sensitive to the victims. I also would
honestly like to have a poll and a survey of
the all the Epstein victims and ask them, Hey, is
it okay for us to be able to see this
(07:14):
is while we do all the sensitive work of making
sure we redact you and privately and keep your privacy.
I guarantee you these people would be willing to have
it out in the public because they were horribly victimized
and they want their you know, the people who took
advantage of them to be held accountable to the public.
And this also is where the Elon you know tie
incomes where Elon claimed that it was that Trump himself
(07:36):
was implicated in the Epstein files, and that's part of
the reason why that Trump has not released them yet
to date. So pretty extraordinary accusation.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Before we play what Trumps because every time Trump gets
asked about this, he gets real squirrely. Right, going back
to his first administration, when we got asked about Gleine Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I say the infamous I wish well, I wish her
well well.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Epstein said that Trump was his Bessie for ten years.
Whether that is fully accurate or not, we know they
were friends, We have video and pictures on them together.
We know Trump was on the plane seven times according
to the flight logs. We know Trump in an interview
was like, yeah, he likes him young, So like one
hundred percent Trump is quote unquote in the Epstein files.
(08:17):
You know what all that entails is another matter. But yeah,
I mean this is why it's always been so funny.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
The right had a deep interest in this.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think there's good reason to have a deep interest
in it, especially in particular how it ties into all
of these wealthy and powerful people and potential you know,
Israeli Masad activities as well. Yeah, and that's and that's
the other reason why very likely the government doesn't want
to release everything that's available, because that will be abundantly
clear that he, you know, was an intelligence asseid maybe
(08:48):
potentially for the lawyers whatever. But but you've got those
two things. You've got this very pro Israel administration. You
have a guy who spent years entangled with this man,
and you think you're going to get all the goods
on him, even though repeatedly when Trump.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Gets asked about this, he dodges. And so let's go.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Ahead and play this video of him getting asked on
Fox News. And this was crazy too. So Fox News
in the run into the election, they asked him like,
what about UFOs, what about JFK and.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He's like, yes, release it, Yes, release it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And they're like what about Epstein And he's like yeah,
well and they edited it originally to cut down all
the rest of the like, well, no, I probably actually
won't do that, and there's some problems et cetera. To
make it sound like he was like, yes, we're going
to release it. Let's go ahead and take a listen
to the unedited version of what he actually said in
that Fox News interview.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Would you declassify the nine to eleven files?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Would you declassified JFK files?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah? Would? I did a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I guess I would.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think that less so because you know, you don't
know if you don't want to affect people's lives if
it's phony stuff in there, because there's a lot of
phony stuff with that whole world.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But I think I.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Would, So different than just an affirmative yes any Always
every time he gets asked about it, it's something similar like, hell,
I'm worried about their privacy and people are involved, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, h people are involved.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, look, no matter who is president, just really
at this point, you know, we all genuinely do deserve
to know. I mean I think there I actually genuinely
believe that it's not Trump which is holding all of
this up. I think it's Israel. I think it's mos Odd.
I think it's very obvious considering the original comments by
alex Acosta and by the initial prosecutors quote intelligence was involved.
(10:32):
I mean, this is a direct quote. You can go
and read it for yourself if you want to. Back
from twenty nineteen. I think that's the only reason that
we don't know. In a sense, we don't even you know,
like without the files, we know everything that we need
to know. Israeli agent. We're gathering intelligence on all of
the highest levels of American society. For what purpose you
(10:53):
can only guess. And that's another thing. People are like, well,
how do they use this information? I don't think people
understand how intelligence gathering works. The whole point is that
you gather it so that you may have to use
it in the future in case you need to aid Barock,
the Prime Minister of Israel literally spending multiple nights week
at his mansion. Okay, this is These are documented facts,
like using his money to invest with all of the
(11:14):
world's billionaires from Peter Teel which has when more recently
revealed to Leon Black at the Apollo. I'm not even
worried about people suing me. This is fact, like, literally
had to resign from his company. One of the most
private or one of the most powerful billionaires in the
world had to resign from his company because of his
what was it two hundred million dollar payment via his
(11:36):
private jet LLC that was being paid by or being
paid to Jeffrey Epstein over one hundred and fifty million. Yeah,
definitely for jet maintenance. I'm sure that's what it was
all about. Bill Gates and the Nobel p I mean,
this is obvious.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And then Peter Teel piece is the is the new, Yes,
brand new.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
He had a lot of money, and there he had
a bunch of money I think in one of his
funds it's apparently now yielding incredible results to the Jeffrey
Epstein estate. The point is just that the money was
a tool obviously. Also, yeah, Leslie Wexner, who I think
is still alive to this day, who just miraculously gifted
him all this money for no apparent reason or any
(12:11):
of that whatsoever. This is obvious and like, I know
it sounds like eyes wide shut, but it's all real,
Like this is documented, it is, it exists, you know,
President or Bill Clinton on the plane multiple times, Junior
by his own admission, on the flame a couple of times.
I mean that's the part I don't get either. When
you're filthy rich, why are we accepting gifts like this
(12:33):
from you know, questionable people. Do you have the money
just fly yourself? I don't get it. Yeah, I see
YouTube posts, don't act.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Always wanted to ignore his ties and how closely linked
he was with Epstein and all the documentary evidence, and
then think that he was going to be the one
that finally you know, between the pro how pro Israel
he is, and his own linkages, Like I never thought
we were going to see any of this, And it's
just wild to see cash out there, like.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, you know, it's just not there.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And we've determined conclusively he definitely killed himself, but we
can't you know, we're not going to show you. And
now the cameras are on whatever. It's wild situation. The
last piece here is Elon has now deleted his posts
accusing Trump of being in the Epstein files, and there
were some other things that he had posted where he
was saying, I will fully apologize to Trump once he
(13:21):
fully releases the Epstein files. I think he also deleted
those ones, tool though double check me on that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know, I mean, I don't even understand this behavior. Like,
once it's out there, it's out there. It's not like
anyone's gonna forget that he posted this. It's just sort
of like childlikely go if I delete it now, I
can take it back, which you can't really take that back.
But I don't know what's going on with Elon's also
out tweeting a bunch about what's going on in LA
in a way that's like very favorable for Trump and
(13:50):
for Mega and you know, supporting the National Guard being
brought in whatever. So I don't know if he's trying
to mend fences. I don't know if that's possible at
this point, because I don't think you can really come
back fully from what has been said and done at
this point. But it is interesting to me as well
that we'll talk about this in the Theomone segment. Apparently
Trump advised Jadie Vance to be diplomatic when it comes to.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Elon very weird.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I mean, not the way that Trump typically behaves like normally,
once you cross him, that's.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
It scorched earth, right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I expected him to have some story equivalent to the
remember the whole story tell about like DeSantis coming tears
in his eyes.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Begging me.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I thought we'd have something like that and some like
elaborate display of humiliation.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He's been pretty low key.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Maybe it's because he does hold all the power, you know,
and can punish him in all of.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
These various ways.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
But it's just interesting to me how differently he's responded
than what you would normally expect from Trump, where Elon
has gone fully nuclear and Trump has been like kind
of conciliatory.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Honestly, Yeah, I agree, there are some weird stuff that
is going on.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
We've alluded to this a number of times in the show.
It's gone break down the news for you kill mar
Abrego Garcia is coming back to the US. If he's
not here already, let's go ahead and put this up
on the screen from Axios Ronley deported kill mar Abrego
Garcia returning the US to face criminal charges. So he's
on his way back. According to a newly unsealed indictment.
(15:17):
His deportation, they say to Al Salvador has been a flashpoint,
you might say, in President Trump's immigration agenda. That indictment
alleges that Abrego Garcia, who lives in Maryland, made more
than one hundred trips transporting undocumented immigrants between Texas and Maryland,
among other states. According to Attorney General Pam Bondi, siding
co conspirator's testimony, Abergo Garcia also allegedly abused undocumented immigrant
(15:39):
women and solicited nude photographs and videos from a minor.
Let's go and put this indictment up on the screen.
I did read through it. You know, we'll see what
evidence they they proffer. But here USA today, says Attorney
General says kill mar Abrego was part of international smuggling ring.
This goes back to there was some footage that was
released of him where he was stopped while he was
(16:03):
driving and he had a number of people in the car.
It was a vehicle that had been modified to allow
more people to be there. He wasn't apprehended or anything
at the time, but they considered it sort of fishy
because the people did not seem to have luggage with them.
I believe he said that he was bringing them to
a job or something like that. So that's sort of
the context of what the indictment centers around. We do
(16:25):
know that there was one prosecutor who was meant to
be involved with this put D four up on the screen,
who resigned over the decision to pursue this indictment led
to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, high ranking federal
prosecutor in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Shutters.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Resignation was prompted by concerns the case was being pursued
for political reasons, according to sources, I can't I think
this was NBC News that reported this out that I
can't remember specifically. So anyway, we'll see what happens with
the charges. We'll see whether they have sufficient evidence to
actually you find him guilty of these alleged crimes. But
obviously the fact that they felt after they said absolutely
(17:06):
no way is this man coming back, that they felt
enough pressure to bring him home, both from the public
and from the court system, is quite extraordinary. And so
now he will go through the court system, he will
have his due process, a jury of his peers will
evaluate the evidence against him, and he will have his
day in court and ultimately soccer.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's really all that anyone was asking for.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I think it's extraordinary that they buckled and they ended
up bringing back I mean, it is pretty crazy because
they said he wasn't going to but I mean, at
the end of the day, the Supreme Court order was
pretty unambiguous. They're like, he needs to be returned to
the United States of America because he was deported in
violation of this order. I mean, I you know, even
for me, somebody like me, considering how many twists and
(17:48):
turns we've had here with Abrego Garcia, I'm like, I
wonder how much of that. I wonder whether he stands
a pretty damn good chance in court because they have
alleged all kinds of things, right, I mean, even if
you look at the original it was like he was
being deported, he was a member of MS thirteen. I mean,
like maybe, but then he was a human trafficker, and
then he was a wife beater. I mean, look, it's complicated, right,
(18:10):
He's never been accused or whatever of any of these things.
But this is another step where they're alleging, effectively that
he's like some master human trafficker, and they had never
originally said that. Now it's possible that it's true because
they've probably spent the time since to gather the evidence.
Maybe they thought it was a pr victory to be
able to gather you know, use the full force the FBI,
(18:32):
gather all this evidence. I will say, if he does
get convicted, this is not going to look good, right,
and stuff can be in a narrative violation for a
lot of people. It's not some Maryland Father or whatever
that they're trying to use here, But broadly, look, this
is what I was talking about with la what they
did with L Salvador, and then eventually the falling apart
(18:53):
of a lot of the narrative Aroundel Salvador really burned
of their god and their credibility. I wouldn't say necessarily
with the public, but definitely the media because at that point, look,
you had a situation where everybody knew Trump was going
to pursue deportations, you knew using into some extraordinary action, etc. Etc.
But with the falling apart of many of the cases,
and in particular with a lot of the evidentiary you know,
(19:15):
stuff that they used, and then the eventual defeats over
and over again at the Supreme Court level for the
actual process by whichwas was done. I mean, I think
it's basically comparable to two thousand and two Guantanamo Bay,
Like if we really think about it, where anybody who
was in Afghanistan or anybody who was like that guy's
a terrorist eventually ended up in Guantanamo. And I mean
(19:39):
it's kind of crazy because what some twenty three years
later you would have thought, especially for an administration that
kind of prizes itself as being anti the Bush administration
effectively recreated a lot of stuff. This is something that
Glenn Greenwall in particular really talked about it, and I mean,
obviously that's what changed a lot of my thoughts on
this in particular now since the fallout. But the fact
that they did have to bring kill Marbray Garcia back
(20:01):
is evidence that the court matters still. I think public
pressure media as well. It was undeniable, Like, let's be
it was genuinely undeniable. It's like, you're not supposed to
be deported, and he got deported. I mean, and I'm
not saying not supposed to it. I'm saying as illegally
had a hold on him. He can come back to
the United States. He will now face a jury in
a trial. We'll see how it all works out. Yeah,
(20:24):
but yeah, just broadly, you cannot look at this. They're
trying to play it as like it's a victory. No,
this is a massive l for the Trump administration. Like
you said you weren't going to do it, and you
brought it back. There's no getting around it. Yeah, period,
and the story.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I want to be really clear about what he's
actually being charged with in this indictment, which again to
see the evidence, because lord knows that it's possible they
gin this up because they needed some sort of pretext
to make it look like they're not completely full.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Of That is the benefit of going through the American
federal system. It's like, look, the federal court is not
a joke like you. Even if it's a political prosecution,
you have to produce it.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They're they're going to have to prove their case.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You have to produce it. And now, I mean this
is enough. Look, I mean Abrago Garcia can do what
he wants, but go to trial because then we will
all see it. If you just plead guilty, we're not
going to see any of this. But uh, yeah, you
should go to trial if for a public interest or
at the very least his defense attorney should release all
the discovery and all that stuff. Yeah that they have,
because at this point that is obviously to the public.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So they're they're indicting him on conspiracy to unlawfully transport
illegal aliens for financial gain and unlawful transportation of alien
legal aliens for financial gains. So basically the core of
the indictment alleges that he was transporting people that he
knew to be undocumented between different states. So, you know,
they this is like, you know, a nitpicky thing. They
(21:43):
keep calling him a traffick or trafficker is someone who's
doing this against people's will. There's no allegation here that
these were people who you know, were being smuggled against
their will. It's more that he was transporting them and
knowing that these were undocumented immigrants. That's what the indictment says.
But the reason I want to clarify by that is
because Pam Bondy in the news conference about this, made
(22:03):
all sorts of wild allegations tying him to a murder
and this and that different thing. Even though none of
that is in this indictment whatsoever. Again to try to
project this this you know image like he's some high
level EMMAS thirteen gang member and you know, going way
beyond what they were even able to obtain an indictment
for Let's go ahead and listen to a little bit
(22:25):
of that press conference and some of the pushbacks she
got at the end.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Maybe I misunderstood you, but you were mentioning, you know
that he had some involvement in these murder you know,
or was connected to groups that had you know, involved
with this other smuggling ring. But to be clear, the
only charges he's facing right now are the like you know,
human smuggling charges.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Just this the Yeah, that's the one offense.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
But the other things that you have talked about are
not actually in the indictment. You know, co conspirators alleged that,
and we were clear to say that he is charged
with it's not only very serious charges of alien smuggling.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
So those are the specifics.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The other thing that I would say saga about this
is you know you have kilmarbergo Garcia. You also have
some two hundred plus other people who were shipped to
SEACOT with zero due process, many of whom we already
know had zero criminal record. You know, according to the
analysis that's done by multiple news organizations, the vast majority
of them did not have criminal records, either here or abroad.
(23:27):
They searched the databases of a number of countries, and
you know, there's an effort in the courts. There was
a ruling actually from the judge here in DC, Judge Bosberg,
to say, you've got to give them a chance to also,
you know, like file a haeas rid of habeas corpus.
They have to be able to challenge their detention as well.
They have to be able to get some sort of
due process. Supreme Court has said they were entitled that
(23:49):
and they did not receive it. So the other thing
that I think is significant here is kind of a
crack in the foundation because previously it was just like
once you're gone, you're gone, and that's it, and we're
not doing nothing about it. So the fact that they
did and are bringing this one person back, I think
also opens up a crack in terms of the narrative here.
And then the last thing we mentioned a couple of times,
(24:12):
just so you can see for yourself, they were adamant.
There is no way, under no circumstance is Abrego Garcia
coming home. Here is Secretary Christy No, I'm saying exactly that.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Should never have been in this country and will not
be coming back to this country. There is no scenario
where Abrego Garcia will be in the United States again.
If he were to come back, we would immediately deport
him again because he is a terrorist, he's a human smuggler,
and he is a wife beater.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
There is no scenario where he will be coming back
to this country.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Guess what. Here we are a few weeks later and
he is coming back.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It is nuts. I mean it's literally Gitmo, right, we
went worst of the worst. How many what percent of
people have been released from Guantanamo? I forget, It's like
probably seventy or eighty percent. They're like, we're going to
p prosecute them, and then they're like, oh, actually we
have to drop all the charges because there was torture
involved here, and actually we can't prove a lot of
(25:07):
this stuff. I agree. I mean, this is basically, if
we're following the same playbook, we have two, then by
three you start to see some releases and some legal
justification and eventually the bar cracks in the legal system
two thousand and six. I think it's hom dv. Rumsfeld.
We're about hot Habeas corpus now that they don't even
need to go through all of that, right because that's
(25:28):
already here law of the land. There's going to be
some legal process. The fact that you haven't had some
sort of seacot level removal since that time, has, you know,
is obviously also evidence of what's happening. But I mean,
I know there's been some I forget I was vaguely
aware what was it Djibouti or something like they were
sent South Sudan or something, but I think it's not
the same. But especially egally, you can correct me if
(25:51):
I'm wrong, they're taking a lot of problems in the
in the court system, and I think that that's that
this is part of what you will eventually see.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, so extraordinary development all the way around. So listen, guys,
we'd planned to talk about the ohon, but we've got
our guests to reading. We have the spokesperson from that
Gaza Aid flotilla who we really want to talk to,
so I'll let the bros handle.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
The broke well, I was it's appropriate.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'll exempt myself from that conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So I think THEO gets unfairly lumped into the manosphere.
I think he's actually very funny, Like not.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Even in a broke He's not funny, no, but but.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I'm saying the New York Times people kind of put
him in a manosphere. He's not like a creatine body.
But you know what I'm saying, Like, to me, Rogan
is much more like of a bro just in terms
of his life and like kind of the podcast and UFC.
But and I know THEO attends all of that, but like,
I actually think he's a very funny person who does
not rely on like bro comedy. Genuinely.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I don't really consume this content outside of the things
that are political.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And I would tell you I think you would like
his out of all of the major ones, this is
probably the least political to me. He only goes viral for.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
But I'm not interested anything that's not I'm telling it's funny.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, like Timothy Shallowman his podcast, they actually a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
How would you compare him with with Tim Dillon?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think Tim is a lot I mean Tim is
a very tim Is to me is more of like
a George Carlin esque figure, like intellectual. Well, he's a
very He is political in that I've seen his stand
up and actually was surprised when the first time I
saw his whole set it was not nearly as political
as a lot of his podcasts. But he is like
carl And esque, and he likes to point out the
absurdity of a lot of politicians and a lot of
(27:31):
like public facing media. I have not ever seen THEO
any of his stand up, like live or anything like that,
but I would be willing to gas just based on
his podcast and all that. It's a little bit more
of like a societal observation. So yeah, Anyway, I think
out of all of the so called bro podcasters, I
actually think he's the least political in terms of his
as normal content. He does have a lot of politicians on,
(27:52):
but I don't I think it's noteworthy if we remember
when Trump came on, that's when THEO was talking about
like being a drug addict.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And and that's really more of his thing.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
He has on like therapists and yes, actually on some
pretty interesting people. I think he has some good guests
theil keep it up now, all right here, I actually
think you're very good at weading.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
All right, All that being said, that combo will happen tomorrow.
Let's go ahead and get to the latest with this
Gaza AID flotilla. So we have some pretty dire updates
coming from that Gaza Aid Freedom flotilla that was attempting
to break the siege in Gaza. All the members of
that AID group, including Greta Tundberg, have been arrested by
the IDF and are now being held in Israeli prisons.
(28:32):
So in order to give us an update, we're really
fortunate to be joined this morning by Huita Eira. She's
actually the spokesperson for the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. She also
is a human rights attorney, and she joins us. Now welcome,
Thank you, Yes, of course. So let's go ahead and
start with some of the images that we were receiving
from the ship yesterday.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Let's go ahead and play. I'm going to show you.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
A video of quad copters that initially intercepted the ship
and dropped a strange subject substance on board, so people
can see what was going on here.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Let's take a look at that.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Okay, we have we are masking our face right now.
We are cut coutures right above our heads, the most
dangerous ones, and they are they are I don't know
what this is. You don't know what pains are. Some chemicalology,
(29:30):
no idea, but please send the alarm. They say that
they want to intercept them in a very calm way.
But we know what's happening. There is another war crime
about to happen. We will keep you updated. Please put
pressure on the government. Tell them that we are here
(29:52):
because they are aiding and abetting this genocide. They are
upholding a legal blockade. They're using starvation as a weapon
of war. This cannot go on.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
You cannot live in a future like this.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
You need to do everything in your power and your power,
use your bodies, use your horses. Amplified the voice of Palestinians,
and do tell them that.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
We are here because they're not doing their jobs.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Pawita, what do we know about what has happened?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Yeah, Crystal, those images that you just showed were some
of the final images and sounds that we had from
our colleagues aboard the Madeleine. It was well in international waters,
some one hundred and ten miles still outside of Palestinian
territorial waters where they were headed to Gaza. Shortly after,
(30:40):
we saw lights from Israeli commandos and the boat was hit,
and then the communication was cut off and we have
not heard from them. Since it has been over thirteen hours.
We have not heard from them. We hear the Israeli
government saying that they are being brought to the Israeli
(31:03):
port of Ashtud. We need to stress that they are
being taken against their will. They have been abducted unlawfully
from international waters and are being taken against their will
to the Israeli port of Ashtud, where the Israeli government
will presumably process them. We hope that they do not
(31:24):
further abuse them. And we continue to call on all governments,
but especially the governments of these states, to sanction Israel
because it continues to commit these blatant violations of international
law aggression. We see what's happening in Gaza. Why we
were at sea is because of our government in action
(31:46):
as to what is happening to Palestinian people in Gaza,
and it is enough silence. Israel has no legal authority
to intercept a peaceful vessel. Sailing from international waters into
Palestinian territorial waters.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
It says it.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Had to uphold or defend its maritime closure of Gaza.
It has no authority to enforce an unlawful blockade that
is designed to starve a civilian population, and there is
no security threat from a sailboat that is carrying twelve
civilians and baby formula for babies who are being starved
to death. So our governments need to stop accepting these
(32:27):
abuses and pretexts from Israel as it continues to trample
all over international law and genocide a people while they're at.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
It, Hueita, can you tell us about that seizure in
international water? So this was one where the flotilla was
actually outside of any recognized territory. What was the justification
that was given to the flotilla for this arrest? And
have you been notified yet if they're going to face
prosecution and detention inside of Israel for this?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Thank you for that question because it is so important.
Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas,
there is freedom of navigation on the high seas. This ship,
the Madlin, was unarmed, carrying twelve civilians, including a member
of the European Parliament, including a doctor and journalists and
human rights advocates, and it was carrying humanitarian aid for
(33:26):
eight people under siege. It constituted no threat. Israel had
no authority to intercept it, nor to use violence to
intercept it, certainly not on the high seas, but even
if it had reached Palestinian territorial waters, because the International
Court of Justice last year advised US that Israel's occupation,
(33:49):
its presence in all of the occupied Palestinian territories is unlawful,
and governments have an obligation not to recognize the illegal
situation that Israel has created, and have a further obligation
to do as much as they can everything they can
to end this illegal situation. And on top of that,
(34:09):
Israel is instituting this comprehensive blockade that is designed to
starve an entire civilian population.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
That is a war crime, and it is not new.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
We're seeing the dramatic effects of it now, of denying
everything food, water, aid, medicine to a people who have
been bombarded for nearly two years. We are seeing emaciated children.
We are hearing reports of accountless babies who have already
died of starvation, all of this being done before the
eyes of the world, while our governments do nothing or
(34:41):
are actively complicit. So it is important to stress that
no government has the authority to enforce an illegal blockade,
and that is exactly what this is. Israel says it's
a lawful maritime closure. It is absolutely not, and no
serious legal authority will tell you that this is a
lawful maritime closure. And we were not even close to
(35:04):
that border. It went out into well into international waters,
over about one hundred miles from Palestinian territorial waters, which
is not too much different from what it did. Just
a month ago. We had another ship that was going
to head towards Goza carrying humanitarian aid. That ship was
named the Conscience and it was right outside of Malta
(35:27):
and in European waters, some two thousand miles from Israeli
territorial waters, and Israel sent its drones to bomb that ship.
And so Israel is using this kind of unjustified force
against civilian objects, against humanitarian aid workers, all to stop
(35:48):
people from trying to get to Gaza again, an unlawful blockade.
The Freedom Flotilla coalition is trying to break it, but
our governments should be doing the same, and if they don't,
we invite people all over the world to join us
for the next book we're going to send.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Because we can't stop.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
To that point, Grata and others on board release pre
recorded videos calling on people to pressure their governments. Let's
go ahead and take a listen to a little bit
of what they had to say.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
My name is Grifatimba and I am from Sweden.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
If you see this video, we.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
Have been intercepted and kidnapped in international waters by the
Israeli occupational forces or forces that support israel I. Urge
all my friends, family and comrades to put pressure on
the Swedish government to release me and the others as
soon as possible.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
So my name is river Sea, I'm from friends. If
you see this video, it means that we got intercepted
by the Israelis forces or complicits and we made maybe
in a very bad situation now. So I do ask
our comrades, our family friends to please share this video
(37:02):
and put pressure on the French government so that we
could be with my friends released and also of course
that this genocide ends.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I had two questions for you first, following up on
what Grata was saying there, what are you calling on
people around the world to do to support these activists
and their work? And also I saw reports that there
may have been coordination with some other attempts to break
the siege, So what happens next?
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yes, we recorded those videos because we anticipated this kind
of violent interception by Israeli forces. They have attacked us before,
They have seriously injured and even killed our volunteers before,
most notably in twenty ten a flutilla that I was
on is Real violently rated that one and killed ten
of our volunteers, And so we pre recorded these and
(37:52):
put this out as soon as we lost connection with them.
We are asking people all over the world to call
on the government of these countries to put pressure on
Israel to release them immediately, to guarantee their safety, and also,
as you heard Revase at the end, also to undertake
their obligations under international law to stop this genocide. Because
(38:16):
the very reason that we have these twelve international civilians,
our colleagues now abducted by Israeli forces is because they
had to be at sea doing what our governments should
be doing. And I want to stress that these twelve
are now abducted or disappeared. We haven't heard from them
in nearly fourteen hours.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Now.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Thousands to thousands of Palestinians. Ten thousand Palestinians are also
disappeared and are in Israeli dungeons. But we know that
because of the privilege of the passports of the internationals,
and because the eyes of the world are on them,
and because we have thousands, tens of thousands of people
mobilizing to put on these pressures, we know that they
(39:03):
have more safety than the thousands of Palestinians and the
two million Palestinians in Gaza. No government to speak up
for them and protect them. So we are asking people
to put this pressure to ensure the safety of these civilians.
But also we need to keep pressure and remember why
we're doing this, and that is to stop the genocide
(39:25):
and protect the people of Gaza, and that requires governments
upholding their obligations under international law. And so I mentioned
that they're attack us now, but we're not going to stop.
So we will be organizing to send another mission as
soon as we can. We invite organizations, people and institutions
(39:46):
that have more resources than we do to also mobilize
boats and come with us, but we are also in
coordination with other civil society initiatives that are aiming to
break the blockade in other ways. Today June ninth, a
land convoy left from Tunisia and it's making its way
through Libya to Egypt and hopefully on its way to Gaza.
(40:07):
And in just a few days thousands of people will
be coming flying into Cairo from around the world and
attempting to march to Rafa, the border of Gaza with Egypt,
and demand that they be let through, because we have
a situation where Israel has turned Gaza into a death
camp and we have to do everything we can to
break down these walls, to break the siege in any
(40:30):
way we can, and that is civilian, nonviolent direct action,
but also the pressure of people all over the world
calling on our governments to also sanction Israel and hold
it responsible for what it has been doing and continues
to do.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Huita, thank you so much for joining us this morning.
We really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you so much
for having me. Thank you it's our pleasure.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Thank you guys so much for watching, and it's great
to be back. Crystal We will be back with you
all tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
You're bro shure tomorrow, always sure for having people tore
right and going on. We switched days this week, so
we'll get a gross show, ladies show, and then you
and me back up.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Lots of fun. Okay, we're gonna have fun this week.
We're breaking things up, and that's the best part of
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