April 4, 2025 • 17 mins
The guy on the phone today told us he’s fed up with being friend-zoned, and he wants to get ahead of things with a bizarre new plan we’ve never tried before! Catch what it is in a new Second Date Update!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second date of dating. I'm going to share something with
our audience that's happened behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
It's brook and Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Oh what is it going to be?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I don't remember if.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Brooke has said this on the air and it's not bad,
but off the air. Whenever somebody brings up online dating,
Brooks response and Jose alexis you can confirm this, She's
always like, Uh, I don't think I could ever do
online dating. There's just there's way too many options. How
could you ever just pick one?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No, I totally do online dating. I would just never
do marriage after I did it, exactly because I would
have never dated anybody long enough. Yeah, exactly, I see
what you mean. I thought you meant.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, it's the crux of dating with all the apps.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Now, too many choices for people.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah. I think it was intended in a good way
to match people up who would have never found each
other if they were just left to their normal lives.
But more often than not, it just ends up being
with you have so many choices, and women can't make
up their mind, they can't commit to just one, and
if they're not blown away immediately, there's you know twenty
(01:08):
other options that they could just go explore.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I go to the Cereal aisle and it feels overwhelming,
but I should choose.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And the thing is, that's where our listener, Evan is
at right now. He claims he is a victim of
being just one guy in a sea of a billion dudes.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Oh yeah, Jeff's dream.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, but Evan, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hey guys.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, Evn, I'm sorry, man. He sounds like you're going
through it with this online dating stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I am. It's been years and there's been ups and downs,
but I'm just I want to try something new and
I think it's going to work. I just need a
little help.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay, okay, So what is your your stance on dating
right now? Like where are you at?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think that you should date a lot of different
people because experts say that if you focus too much
on just one person, you're gonna end up disappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But you're supposed to like date a little bit and
then when one stands out, then you kind of focus
on them.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
It doesn't bode well.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Her Brooks married, she is a lot on that one guy.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So Evan, You're you're not focusing on just one. You're
dating a lot of different people.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, I wouldn't say a lot, but yeah, i'd say
a small handful at any given times.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
At for some is there one in particular that you
really like or we just gonna call ten girls?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, there is one. Her name is Jenna and she's
a top contender?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Is that a compliment, Alexis it is?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I mean I want to be the top one.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So where do you and Jenna stand?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We had one date. It was good and nothing bad happened.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Is that your bar says it defensively, nothing happened?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, is that your bar like you had a
good enough date that nothing bad happened, So that's why
you want to call her?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, sometimes I do feel that way. But this was
a good date. It was genuinely good, and I do
believe that she likes me and would like to go
out on another day with me. I just want to
try this thing to kind of make her work for
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
What.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Wait, so you're not calling us because someone's not calling
you back or isn't interested.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Craig, She is interested, That's what I believe.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Okay, this is different. I guess let's hear him out.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So this girl trying not to think game. He's playing
games in my head right now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's not a game, but it is reverse psychology.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Oh that works so good on me?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Did it just work on you?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
He's like, I'm trying to figure this out. It all right,
you already have Brooks interest.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now, So what is your idea for reverse psychology with Jenna?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I want you to call her and tell her that, like,
I thought that she was cool, but I'm a little
on the fence about it.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Huh wait, wait, why why would we be calling her
just to tell her that.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, that's gonna make her morning.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Why do you want to do it this way with Jenna?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The thing is, I've had a lot of dates this
past year where the first meeting is great, but then
it just it fizzles out. Okay, and then the girl
will say to me, Hey, you're super cool and everything,
but there's just not a strong enough of a connection
for me.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You're getting friend zoned, is what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It makes me feel like I need to be defensive
and prove myself because she's in the power position.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So okay, all I see, you're good.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
At the first couple of days, which is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
He wants to flip the script on these women, and
he wants to be in the power position being like, hey, like,
I think you're cool and everything, but I don't know.
If it's there, then the girl will have to sell
herself to him, so we should leave her front and alone.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You sound like a genuinely nice guy, and that's probably
why this is happening.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Did you see Alexis gag when you said genuinely nice guys?
That's the problem here.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Everything makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, you do know this could backfire, right.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I have nothing to lose at this point, trusting.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I mean, it is a bold move. You have to admit.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Can you tell us anything about Jenna that would make
you feel like this is gonna work on her?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
What is she like?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Would you do?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I can tell you. But she's literally like every other
girl that I've been dating recently, Like, you know, she's sweet,
she's funny, she's pretty, like they all are. Yeah, but
she's gonna turn on me. She's gonna turn exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Let's not get caught up in the minutia of who
she is as a person. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
If this strategy would actually work.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It sounds kind of manipulative, similar to one of my
co hosts, and they're happily married.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So it might actually be a good.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Strategy at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Here's my thing, Like, we tell her this statement, and
then what Jeff like, we tell her, hey, so and
so is it into how can we follow up that conversation?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You know what? He is on the other line right now,
So like maybe if you want to try to convince
him to go out you.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Okay, Like we won't do a lot of the talking.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
No, I think Evan wants to be in control here.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So the boy Evan is it's not interested time to
call the radio. Wait on, hold, wind around, Okay, Hell no,
he's not gonna say hello, it's gonna say suck. Oh
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, we're just gonna be super non committal about it
and let Evan swoop in.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
For entertainment purposes. I'm in.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's an interesting experiment at the very least, So we're
gonna find out how it goes when we call.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Her in your second date update right after this hold
on man Second date update.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you're just joining us for the second date, our listener,
Evan has asked us to do something that we've never
really tried on this segment before.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Because it's not an idea any of us have ever happened.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No, probably too smart for our simple brains. But he
wants us to call his date Jenna, and instead of
saying he had a lot of fun with you, he
really likes you, he wants to see you again, coming
on kind.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Of strong, even me saying.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That are you giving yourself the itch?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I kind of even that it does feel like a lot.
That's why. Instead, Evan wants us to say he reached out,
but he's kind of on the fence about it, not
really sure how he feels.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So I don't know how are you feeling about him?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Basically reverse psychology Jenna into loving him.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm going to be so disheartened if this works, Like
you can't just be open with your emotions anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, Evan has been rejected so many times. He's tired
of being put on that side of the conversation. He
wants to have the upper hand this time.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Is the only problem.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He's trying to stop the cycle of what's going on
in his life.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right Evan, It's time I got to stand up for
the pack. You know, and there's a storyline that's just
been playing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I think you could have used the quote about like
how someone who does the same thing over and over
again but expects a different result is the definition of insanity.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You're doing something new and he thinks that if he
does it this way, then she's going to be more
open to not just a second date, but the third date,
the fourth date. So how cool do we play it?
Jeff I'm worried, like, do we do? We get her
name wrong at first? It's a good question, but I
think we just have to play kind of non committal
and more just ask her about what she thinks about
(08:31):
the date. We'll just go right to that. Okay, deafening
silence from the room. Okay, here we go, let's try it.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Hey is this Jenna. We're a radio show actually called
Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning. Hey Jenna, dang, thanks
for picking up. We're doing a segment on our show
A you may have heard of it before. It's called
a second date update.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yes, but where you guys get calling me.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We're kind of surprised we're calling you too. Yeah, this
segment because it doesn't actually fit.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, this is a little bit different than what
we normally do. But we got an email from one
of our listeners that you went out with His name's Evan. Okay, yeah, yeah,
remember going out with Evan?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I do? Okay, yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Evan emailed our show.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
He told us that the two of you went out
and you know, yet he had a decent time. He's
considering seeing you again, but he is kind of on
the fence about it.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, he said that.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He's just he I mean yeah, like he enjoyed the date,
no question about it, but the future he's a little
bit uncertain of wa.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
So he doesn't like me.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
No, no, No, he doesn't not like you, but he
just doesn't he doesn't know you.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, his heart is congested.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What confused?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't know he he doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
That's not what I meant. He doesn't know where his
mind is at one hundred percent. He's trying to figure
stuff out.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I guess I'm just confused. I thought we liked each other.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I thought everything was say specifically that he liked you,
or did you just feel the vibe?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Nobody tells that anymore. What did he write a note
and circle yes or no?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Do you like you make it a whole lot easier.
But I like you so far.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Sometimes it's hard to know how people feel.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Sometimes you're reading signs, you're reading them wrong.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
No, No, we had a great time.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We even kissed. Okay, well that's good. Tell us more
of stuff like that, like what exactly happened the day,
will give us more indications of why you think he
liked You're.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So out of the box.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Well, I mean we grabbed drinks. I got to really
know him. He was super, super nice. I don't really
go out with nice guys, so he was the first
nice guy in a very long time.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Or maybe maybe you thought that he liked you, but
he never actually said that to you.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Could just be like a vibe that you were getting.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Honestly, this is just extremely disappointing to hear because we
were vibing.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay, Well, maybe the vibe that you're feeling from him
is the literal phone line connection that is happening right
now because he is listening to this call.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Makes him feel like he wants it more. Yeah, you know,
I'm just going.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
To say that. I will say he does want to talk.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
To you, though, what.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Evan, what is going on? I'm so confused.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, I'm sorry to throw a loop in things, But
you thought I was nice? Yeah, I thought you were
really nice too. But uh, I'm just not totally sure
that there's a romantic connection between on us. I'm just
not surely.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Huh. Okay, well I guess I guess maybe we're just
better off friends.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well hold on, what are you doing, dude, I don't
I don't think we should jump to that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I just I need to be sure that you really
do feel that way before I.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
This is weird. This is a very strange way of
going about this.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I don't even understand where he's trying to go here.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Evan, you're saying, you're saying that she's saying that she
likes you, but you're not sure if you believe that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Not completely, because I'm a nice guy and I I
have a hard time believing that she really likes that.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I thought you just that you were attracted to her
because there was no romantic connection for you.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I'm not saying there isn't that there isn't. I'm not sure.
I'm in the middle here.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, your message, I think is getting a little lost.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, well, Jenna, maybe you have to show him a
little bit more strongly that the feelings are there, that
it's worth it.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
After all this, why would I do that? I mean,
this was it was going so well without even getting
anyone else involved. This is like turning me away.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You see one date, they're saying they like him, and
then all of a sudden, something switches, and they're like switches.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Is you telling her there's no romantic connection and that
you weren't sure if you liked her or not. That's
the switch. You can turn that back. You can be
honest about where you stand.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I would have never been weirded out as I am
right this moment if you just didn't do all this.
This is very strange. What's turning me off?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh no, it would have happened on the second or
third date anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, Jenny, realize this now, but after three dates with him,
you would realize that you weren't into him.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Now we're going to tell her how she's going to
feel on a future.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Date unless we're wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Because unless we're wrong, because normally at this time I
would offer to send you guys out and we would
pay for it. But I kind of have a vibe
that both of you are still on the fence. At
least you might want to plead your case to him
right now, Jenna and ask Evan out after he turned
her down.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I want to partner who will fight for me, okay.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
After one day, that's respectable.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think it's an Are you willing to fight for him,
Jenna right now?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
To be asked with?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Know?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I mean, you have nothing else to lose at this point, Evan,
why don't you just tell her the truth?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I mean, what is this truth? You have to tell me?
This is the very insane that how this is working
out right now? If you have to tell me something,
I mean, you might as well tell me right now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Look, the truth is I really like you, and I was,
and I was afraid that if I just carried on
being nice and showing that I really liked you, that
you would at board with me. And if I use
reverse psychology on you, then you would think that I
was a bad boy or like something that you're really
(15:08):
attracted to and want to, like, really work towards winning me.
I'm usually the one that's trying to win somebody over,
and I wanted to flip the script.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Buddy, I mean, thank you for being honest. Finally about this.
It was weird. It was a weird way of going about.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It, but he was just trying something new. Datings hard
these days, and he liked you, and he didn't know
how to keep it going, and it wasn't the smartest move.
I think he is finally understanding that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, yeah, now that we've really sold him, we'd love
to offer to send you guys out on another day, Jenna,
and we would pay for it. I mean, he has
finally come clean, He's told you the truth. And no
more games going forward, at least not from Evans part,
has never happened.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, Kenn, promise no games going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Come on, don't the player hate the game? Let's go
one more day. Yeah, we're the games.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
We're going to date.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Reverse psychology does work.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The honest truth works, your real feelings work. Like we
feel accomplished when literally nothing changed.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We did it.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You guys are the best. Thank you, You're.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Welcome, buddy.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I don't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Rookie Jeffrey in the morning. I don't think there's any
way she would have said yes if Evan didn't finally
come clean and just be honest about his true feelings
at the end there.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, no, I mean we literally just we added more drama.
We did, and there was no need for it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
This is what happens when us non cool guys try
and play cool.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, you know what I mean, that's right. It was
a be yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's a nice duould be a nice dude.
It's a win for nice guys everywhere. And he's lucky
that for some weird reason she just liked him for
who he was.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But I really don't want to get an update from
them that on the third date she decided there was
no romantic.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
He's just too nice.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
So we need to talk to all the girls to
find out what's the real reasons up.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
The act and he shows up an hour later the date.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, that's all right. But you know what, if you're
a nice guy or if you're a bad boy or
anything in between, we will help you with your dating life.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling
you back.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Go check out all of our second dates wherever you
get your podcast app Brook and Jeffrey and on YouTube
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning
Second date of dating. I'm going to share something with
our audience that's happened behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
It's brook and Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Oh what is it going to be?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I don't remember if.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Brooke has said this on the air and it's not bad,
but off the air. Whenever somebody brings up online dating,
Brooks response and Jose alexis you can confirm this, She's
always like, Uh, I don't think I could ever do
online dating. There's just there's way too many options. How
could you ever just pick one?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No, I totally do online dating. I would just never
do marriage after I did it, exactly because I would
have never dated anybody long enough. Yeah, exactly, I see
what you mean. I thought you meant.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, it's the crux of dating with all the apps.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Now, too many choices for people.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah. I think it was intended in a good way
to match people up who would have never found each
other if they were just left to their normal lives.
But more often than not, it just ends up being
with you have so many choices, and women can't make
up their mind, they can't commit to just one, and
if they're not blown away immediately, there's you know twenty
(01:08):
other options that they could just go explore.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I go to the Cereal aisle and it feels overwhelming,
but I should choose.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And the thing is, that's where our listener, Evan is
at right now. He claims he is a victim of
being just one guy in a sea of a billion dudes.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Oh yeah, Jeff's dream.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, but Evan, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hey guys.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, Evn, I'm sorry, man. He sounds like you're going
through it with this online dating stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I am. It's been years and there's been ups and downs,
but I'm just I want to try something new and
I think it's going to work. I just need a
little help.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay, okay, So what is your your stance on dating
right now? Like where are you at?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think that you should date a lot of different
people because experts say that if you focus too much
on just one person, you're gonna end up disappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But you're supposed to like date a little bit and
then when one stands out, then you kind of focus
on them.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
It doesn't bode well.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Her Brooks married, she is a lot on that one guy.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So Evan, You're you're not focusing on just one. You're
dating a lot of different people.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, I wouldn't say a lot, but yeah, i'd say
a small handful at any given times.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
At for some is there one in particular that you
really like or we just gonna call ten girls?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, there is one. Her name is Jenna and she's
a top contender?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Is that a compliment, Alexis it is?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I mean I want to be the top one.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So where do you and Jenna stand?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We had one date. It was good and nothing bad happened.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Is that your bar says it defensively, nothing happened?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, is that your bar like you had a
good enough date that nothing bad happened, So that's why
you want to call her?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, sometimes I do feel that way. But this was
a good date. It was genuinely good, and I do
believe that she likes me and would like to go
out on another day with me. I just want to
try this thing to kind of make her work for
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
What.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Wait, so you're not calling us because someone's not calling
you back or isn't interested.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Craig, She is interested, That's what I believe.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Okay, this is different. I guess let's hear him out.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So this girl trying not to think game. He's playing
games in my head right now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's not a game, but it is reverse psychology.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Oh that works so good on me?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Did it just work on you?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
He's like, I'm trying to figure this out. It all right,
you already have Brooks interest.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now, So what is your idea for reverse psychology with Jenna?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I want you to call her and tell her that, like,
I thought that she was cool, but I'm a little
on the fence about it.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Huh wait, wait, why why would we be calling her
just to tell her that.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, that's gonna make her morning.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Why do you want to do it this way with Jenna?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The thing is, I've had a lot of dates this
past year where the first meeting is great, but then
it just it fizzles out. Okay, and then the girl
will say to me, Hey, you're super cool and everything,
but there's just not a strong enough of a connection
for me.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You're getting friend zoned, is what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It makes me feel like I need to be defensive
and prove myself because she's in the power position.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So okay, all I see, you're good.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
At the first couple of days, which is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
He wants to flip the script on these women, and
he wants to be in the power position being like, hey, like,
I think you're cool and everything, but I don't know.
If it's there, then the girl will have to sell
herself to him, so we should leave her front and alone.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You sound like a genuinely nice guy, and that's probably
why this is happening.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Did you see Alexis gag when you said genuinely nice guys?
That's the problem here.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Everything makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, you do know this could backfire, right.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I have nothing to lose at this point, trusting.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I mean, it is a bold move. You have to admit.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Can you tell us anything about Jenna that would make
you feel like this is gonna work on her?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
What is she like?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Would you do?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I can tell you. But she's literally like every other
girl that I've been dating recently, Like, you know, she's sweet,
she's funny, she's pretty, like they all are. Yeah, but
she's gonna turn on me. She's gonna turn exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Let's not get caught up in the minutia of who
she is as a person. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
If this strategy would actually work.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It sounds kind of manipulative, similar to one of my
co hosts, and they're happily married.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So it might actually be a good.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Strategy at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Here's my thing, Like, we tell her this statement, and
then what Jeff like, we tell her, hey, so and
so is it into how can we follow up that conversation?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You know what? He is on the other line right now,
So like maybe if you want to try to convince
him to go out you.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Okay, Like we won't do a lot of the talking.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
No, I think Evan wants to be in control here.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So the boy Evan is it's not interested time to
call the radio. Wait on, hold, wind around, Okay, Hell no,
he's not gonna say hello, it's gonna say suck. Oh
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, we're just gonna be super non committal about it
and let Evan swoop in.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
For entertainment purposes. I'm in.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's an interesting experiment at the very least, So we're
gonna find out how it goes when we call.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Her in your second date update right after this hold
on man Second date update.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you're just joining us for the second date, our listener,
Evan has asked us to do something that we've never
really tried on this segment before.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Because it's not an idea any of us have ever happened.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No, probably too smart for our simple brains. But he
wants us to call his date Jenna, and instead of
saying he had a lot of fun with you, he
really likes you, he wants to see you again, coming
on kind.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Of strong, even me saying.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That are you giving yourself the itch?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I kind of even that it does feel like a lot.
That's why. Instead, Evan wants us to say he reached out,
but he's kind of on the fence about it, not
really sure how he feels.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So I don't know how are you feeling about him?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Basically reverse psychology Jenna into loving him.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm going to be so disheartened if this works, Like
you can't just be open with your emotions anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, Evan has been rejected so many times. He's tired
of being put on that side of the conversation. He
wants to have the upper hand this time.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Is the only problem.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He's trying to stop the cycle of what's going on
in his life.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right Evan, It's time I got to stand up for
the pack. You know, and there's a storyline that's just
been playing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I think you could have used the quote about like
how someone who does the same thing over and over
again but expects a different result is the definition of insanity.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You're doing something new and he thinks that if he
does it this way, then she's going to be more
open to not just a second date, but the third date,
the fourth date. So how cool do we play it?
Jeff I'm worried, like, do we do? We get her
name wrong at first? It's a good question, but I
think we just have to play kind of non committal
and more just ask her about what she thinks about
(08:31):
the date. We'll just go right to that. Okay, deafening
silence from the room. Okay, here we go, let's try it.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Hey is this Jenna. We're a radio show actually called
Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning. Hey Jenna, dang, thanks
for picking up. We're doing a segment on our show
A you may have heard of it before. It's called
a second date update.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yes, but where you guys get calling me.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We're kind of surprised we're calling you too. Yeah, this
segment because it doesn't actually fit.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, this is a little bit different than what
we normally do. But we got an email from one
of our listeners that you went out with His name's Evan. Okay, yeah, yeah,
remember going out with Evan?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I do? Okay, yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Evan emailed our show.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
He told us that the two of you went out
and you know, yet he had a decent time. He's
considering seeing you again, but he is kind of on
the fence about it.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, he said that.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He's just he I mean yeah, like he enjoyed the date,
no question about it, but the future he's a little
bit uncertain of wa.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
So he doesn't like me.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
No, no, No, he doesn't not like you, but he
just doesn't he doesn't know you.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, his heart is congested.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What confused?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't know he he doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
That's not what I meant. He doesn't know where his
mind is at one hundred percent. He's trying to figure
stuff out.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I guess I'm just confused. I thought we liked each other.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I thought everything was say specifically that he liked you,
or did you just feel the vibe?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Nobody tells that anymore. What did he write a note
and circle yes or no?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Do you like you make it a whole lot easier.
But I like you so far.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Sometimes it's hard to know how people feel.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Sometimes you're reading signs, you're reading them wrong.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
No, No, we had a great time.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We even kissed. Okay, well that's good. Tell us more
of stuff like that, like what exactly happened the day,
will give us more indications of why you think he
liked You're.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So out of the box.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Well, I mean we grabbed drinks. I got to really
know him. He was super, super nice. I don't really
go out with nice guys, so he was the first
nice guy in a very long time.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Or maybe maybe you thought that he liked you, but
he never actually said that to you.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Could just be like a vibe that you were getting.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Honestly, this is just extremely disappointing to hear because we
were vibing.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay, Well, maybe the vibe that you're feeling from him
is the literal phone line connection that is happening right
now because he is listening to this call.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Makes him feel like he wants it more. Yeah, you know,
I'm just going.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
To say that. I will say he does want to talk.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
To you, though, what.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Evan, what is going on? I'm so confused.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, I'm sorry to throw a loop in things, But
you thought I was nice? Yeah, I thought you were
really nice too. But uh, I'm just not totally sure
that there's a romantic connection between on us. I'm just
not surely.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Huh. Okay, well I guess I guess maybe we're just
better off friends.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well hold on, what are you doing, dude, I don't
I don't think we should jump to that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I just I need to be sure that you really
do feel that way before I.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
This is weird. This is a very strange way of
going about this.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I don't even understand where he's trying to go here.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Evan, you're saying, you're saying that she's saying that she
likes you, but you're not sure if you believe that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Not completely, because I'm a nice guy and I I
have a hard time believing that she really likes that.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I thought you just that you were attracted to her
because there was no romantic connection for you.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I'm not saying there isn't that there isn't. I'm not sure.
I'm in the middle here.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, your message, I think is getting a little lost.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, well, Jenna, maybe you have to show him a
little bit more strongly that the feelings are there, that
it's worth it.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
After all this, why would I do that? I mean,
this was it was going so well without even getting
anyone else involved. This is like turning me away.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You see one date, they're saying they like him, and
then all of a sudden, something switches, and they're like switches.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Is you telling her there's no romantic connection and that
you weren't sure if you liked her or not. That's
the switch. You can turn that back. You can be
honest about where you stand.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I would have never been weirded out as I am
right this moment if you just didn't do all this.
This is very strange. What's turning me off?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh no, it would have happened on the second or
third date anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, Jenny, realize this now, but after three dates with him,
you would realize that you weren't into him.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Now we're going to tell her how she's going to
feel on a future.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Date unless we're wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Because unless we're wrong, because normally at this time I
would offer to send you guys out and we would
pay for it. But I kind of have a vibe
that both of you are still on the fence. At
least you might want to plead your case to him
right now, Jenna and ask Evan out after he turned
her down.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I want to partner who will fight for me, okay.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
After one day, that's respectable.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think it's an Are you willing to fight for him,
Jenna right now?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
To be asked with?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Know?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I mean, you have nothing else to lose at this point, Evan,
why don't you just tell her the truth?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I mean, what is this truth? You have to tell me?
This is the very insane that how this is working
out right now? If you have to tell me something,
I mean, you might as well tell me right now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Look, the truth is I really like you, and I was,
and I was afraid that if I just carried on
being nice and showing that I really liked you, that
you would at board with me. And if I use
reverse psychology on you, then you would think that I
was a bad boy or like something that you're really
(15:08):
attracted to and want to, like, really work towards winning me.
I'm usually the one that's trying to win somebody over,
and I wanted to flip the script.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Buddy, I mean, thank you for being honest. Finally about this.
It was weird. It was a weird way of going about.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It, but he was just trying something new. Datings hard
these days, and he liked you, and he didn't know
how to keep it going, and it wasn't the smartest move.
I think he is finally understanding that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, yeah, now that we've really sold him, we'd love
to offer to send you guys out on another day, Jenna,
and we would pay for it. I mean, he has
finally come clean, He's told you the truth. And no
more games going forward, at least not from Evans part,
has never happened.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, Kenn, promise no games going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Come on, don't the player hate the game? Let's go
one more day. Yeah, we're the games.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
We're going to date.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Reverse psychology does work.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The honest truth works, your real feelings work. Like we
feel accomplished when literally nothing changed.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We did it.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You guys are the best. Thank you, You're.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Welcome, buddy.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I don't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Rookie Jeffrey in the morning. I don't think there's any
way she would have said yes if Evan didn't finally
come clean and just be honest about his true feelings
at the end there.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, no, I mean we literally just we added more drama.
We did, and there was no need for it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
This is what happens when us non cool guys try
and play cool.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, you know what I mean, that's right. It was
a be yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's a nice duould be a nice dude.
It's a win for nice guys everywhere. And he's lucky
that for some weird reason she just liked him for
who he was.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But I really don't want to get an update from
them that on the third date she decided there was
no romantic.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
He's just too nice.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
So we need to talk to all the girls to
find out what's the real reasons up.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
The act and he shows up an hour later the date.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, that's all right. But you know what, if you're
a nice guy or if you're a bad boy or
anything in between, we will help you with your dating life.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling
you back.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Go check out all of our second dates wherever you
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