September 6, 2022 • 33 mins
Cheryl kick’s things off with an important update she wants to share with everyone.
Then her ‘Dance Dad’ Tom Bergeron returns! They address the alleged shade thrown at Tyra Banks…the original crew from DWTS including the “crazy hangovers AND hook-ups!”...and why Tom knew at Cheryl’s wedding that it wasn’t going to last!!!
There’s no two-stepping around this gossip!
Bonus: This trip down memory lane is so juicy…that we’re going two episodes!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Burke in the Game and I heard radio podcast.
Hey guys, welcome to Burke in the Game. We are
definitely having a very exciting guest. Come on. He has
never done the pod before and he is considered my
dance dad, Mr Tom bergeron himself. We're going to get
into some trouble, so before we do that, let me
(00:26):
give you guys a little update on how I'm doing. Um, So,
as I said earlier or the last time that you
heard the pod, I am back in a twelve step program,
and part of the program is to really connect to
a higher power and to God. And I think there
was a time and definitely, you know, I'm still trying
to figure out what that relationship is to God. I
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was baptized Catholic, and I would consider myself a little
bit more Buddhist than Catholic nowadays. But look, I do
believe in a higher power. What I what's so hard
for me, I guess is when I'm going through these
like downs in my life life, I don't necessarily turn
to God or I don't fall to my knees right away. Um,
I don't remember the last time that that happened. To
be quite honest, but I do know that in order
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for me to stay sober, that I have to figure
out what that relationship is. And that's what I've been
really trying to do without forcefully doing it, if you
know what I mean. I've always believed in a higher power.
I think the word God was very intimidating. But um, yeah,
so that's that on my sobriety. I'm still sober. Yeah,
celebrated four years end of July, as you guys know. Um,
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and then you know, since we're having Tom bergeron, come on,
I do want to clarify there's been lots of gossip
around the fact that I've been shading Tyra Banks now
because Tom and I have a really close relationship and
he I consider him one of my many mentors in life.
That does not mean, by any means that I every
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conversation is alluded to Tyra. Tyra Banks. I respect her
very much, and I want to be clear that you know,
and I say I would love Tom berge Run to
come back to the show. That doesn't entail necessarily that
Tyra has to be fired or I don't want Tyra there.
There's a few articles out again that I want to
just clarify d w TS pro Shades host Tyra Banks
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is survival of the show after two years after she
replaced fired Tom and Aaron Andrews. Listen, I again was
taken out of context. Okay, so what I meant to
say and what I did say if you were to
hear the actual interview, But what I said was that
I love Tyra. She's Tyra Banks. I get very excited
when I see her, like basically be the opening number,
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to see what she wears. I think what is so
beautiful to witness, to be quite honest, is to see
her growth on the show, to see her come to
like really be inspired by all of us. And also,
you know, I see the way she looks at dress
rehearsal like she's really into it, and I just love that.
You know, it's never easy, and this is what I
said as well, it's never easy to come into a
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well oiled machine like Dancing with the Stars after being
on air for thirty seasons. Right, So, and then what
I said was now if you last, And I was
mentioning newbies, meaning it wasn't just Tyra. I was mentioning
any new dancer, any new producer, any new hair and makeup.
Person that decides to join a dance like Dancing with
the Star is a well oiled machine, will have probably
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challenges along the way. Now, I can't speak for Tyra.
I'm not saying that it's overwhelming on her behalf. I'm
not saying how stressful it must be on her. I
would never talk for anybody. But what I am saying
is now, if they survive, that's another that's another story.
At the end of the day. It didn't mean that
like if Tyra will survive Dancing with the Stars d
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w TS pro Cheryl Burke shades her like no. And
I just want to be clear too to everybody that
will most likely write a headline after you hear my
interview with Tom. You know again, nothing is directed at
Tyra unless we say Tyra, Tom and I have history.
We're going to say shit, We're going to make headlines.
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I can guarantee it, especially since Tom text me a
few days ago and said, look, I've got two requirements
before going on the pod. One, don't send me the
questions ahead of time, and two anything goes that is
scary yet very exciting. Anyway, you won't want to miss
this interview. Listen as we just chat and catch up
with Mr Tom bergeron himself. My dad's dad. Hey you?
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Oh my gosh, yes, Dad, I can't see your face. Here?
Is that beautiful tan face? Well? I don't know if
it's tanner. It's just lighting actually, but it's definitely beautiful.
And that eyebrow of yours. You need a trade market? Yeah?
How are you? I'm all right? How are you? Oh?
(04:58):
You know you're ring up maybe for another season. I
can't confirm nor deny. Oh okay, well, what what's today today?
It's like mid August? So yeah, you damn well better
confirm or deny soon, right, I mean hopefully, yeah, hopefully.
It's a great, good old confirmation. This will be my
twenty six season. If I do do it, you said
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do do do do? If I do, do, do? Hey,
what's going on with your hair? Is that you can
get a little action going on there? Do you like
the Asian blonde look? Or you know? You can do
no wrong in my life? In my heart? Really? Never, never,
tom never? Okay, how are you? I'm good. I'm real good.
(05:40):
I'm real good. Yeah. I can't believe you said yes
to this. I am honored. Why would I say no
to you in your podcast? I don't know, because you're
Tom Bergeron. You're still Tom Bergeron. Yeah, for what that's worth.
Where in the world are you right now in New Hampshire?
I wonder. It's not very calabasas of you. That background,
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it's very it's very woodstove and brick and and uh. Yeah.
Do you feel a lot calmer when you're away from
Los Angeles or does it not affect you because you're
you do transcendental Yeah, well yeah, I've been meditating since
well before you were born. Um, but yeah, it is
calmer here. It's very Uh remember one time when our
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oldest daughter was was little and we would come up
here for the summer when they get out of school
in Connecticut, and uh and Jess was looking at the
people around here, and she said, why is everybody so
happy here? Why does everybody drive the speed limit? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
and have and have lives that have balance. You know,
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it's not all that sort of career focused intensity. There's
there's uh, there's nuance and it's like a full plate
at dinner. You have some vegetables, you have some protein,
you have you know, you have a balance to your life.
How boring? Uh? How is how is that? So your
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grand pup? How do you say it? My grand dog?
My grand dog. So you were not a big dog
person or I wasn't. I I am now, but I
wasn't until just a couple of years ago. And uh,
and I really have to credit our daughters with turning me.
There were other dogs in the extended family that I
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you know, I would kind of sometimes scritch occasionally, but
with no real heart and yeah right yeah, and this dog,
just our daughter's dog, just completely melted my heart. And
I've I've I've turned into a big dog person. Now
I get it. It's just me and my dog through
this whole divorce and everything. Me and my frenchie Isabella
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with a y of course. Um yeah, weird, Like why
would you spell Isabella with a y? You know what,
you're going through a period of your life where you're
entitled to spell things however you want. Okay, great, good, good,
Speaking of my divorce now, you I was really honored
that you came to my wedding, because you don't go
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to every wedding, by the way. Uh, and it you know,
yours was I think the only one I went to.
I know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, and I don't
don't have that face, Tom, Tom, let's not deny this.
Me and you, I am your freaking favorite dancer on
Dancing with the Stars. Get out of here. I me
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and kim me and I called you my dance daughter exactly,
and you mean it. This is not like we're not
kidding guys, just because we go back to season two
six when you were how old? See I was. I
I marveled at what you guys in your twenties. We're
able to navigate. I know, I know from your perspective
(08:54):
there it may have been choppy waters at times. I
don't remember. I don't remember much, but yeah, I saw
your recent Instagram post of photos from your twenties which
I loved. My dirt back my dirt back days. I mean,
you know what, Here's the thing I I when dancing
started in two thousand and five. The major difference here
is I was I had just turned fifty, right, So
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had had I enjoyed uh that level of public awareness
in my twenties, I'd be I'd be dead. Now let
me tell you something, Well, thank god, I am sober,
But yeah, I agree. First of all, I think I'd
probably be dead now for sure, but you definitely don't
even don't pretend Tom that me and you didn't have
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some fun. Remember those mid season parties you were so
kind enough to like host And let me tell you
guys something, My listeners over here they probably think rap
parties are good. No, these mid season parties, this was
the party everyone was waiting for because, especially if you
were already eliminated, you know, it was so much fun
because you could just get blasted and not feel like
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crap the next day or go to rehearsal. So whenever
I was eliminated early, which wasn't very often, thank god,
but one season it was, and I was like, oh,
I can't wait till this midseason party. Yeah, it's like
I was gearing up. I picked an outfit and everything.
I had the time to do all of that. I
missed that so much. That was initially the impulse for
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that was very altruistic. It was just to get all
of the different departments of the show that usually would
not interact, but we're all responsible for mounting the show
every week, to get people to to sort of get
to know each other and realize how intricate all the
different pieces of the puzzle were. And the only condition
(10:47):
I had no plus ones. You could I love that
so good to bring your spouse. You couldn't bring your
boyfriend girlfriend. The stars put some air quotes up there,
could not bring their agents or publicists or hangers on.
And and the stories of of hangovers and hook ups
I got for days made it all worth it. Tell us,
(11:09):
would you be so kind to share one? No, I'm kidding.
No one wants to know because it probably involved me.
We did throw box on in the back seat of
a car. Now, that's what I was going to mention,
actually because I had to physically. I was a troop
dancer on Dancing Sweetheart, right onto Kim's lap. I think
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Kim was another producer on the show. Was charged with
making sure she got home. And this was also before
Uber We had no taxi service, so I was tons
of trouble. It was the Ubergeron service exactly, Yes, go home?
Um okay, So speaking of dancing, now forget like all
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the like do you miss it? Like I whatever? But
what will it take me to come back? Oh? Well
there are other people there are still there are not
an issue. Uh, Conrad was the first executive producer I
worked with back in two thousand five. I mourned his
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departure when he left UM and I I think that
and I said to him, if anybody's going to right
that ship, you're the guy. And so I'm thrilled for him.
I'm also thrilled for Alfonso, who I'm I've always been
a fan of and was, you know, his advocate when
I decided to leave the video show for for him
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to take it over. He just seemed the perfect choice,
and he's proven that to be true. So so I
appreciate your questions. Answer the question, but there are other
people in those jobs right now, right now. But like,
let's just say, let's just say next season, if may
maybe there might not be the same. Maybe. I'm not
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asking if you'd come back tomorrow, but maybe for season
thirty because that would be awkward. You can always come
back as a celebrity and I'll dance with you. You You know,
you never know, You're like, no, thanks, I've already done
a quick step that was enough for you. But how
about for season thirty two? Maybe I let's let's just say,
(13:21):
well we'll cross stand bridge, okay, in front of us. Okay,
well you are missed. I must say that has no
there's no shade to tie. I had to make this
clear in my intro because there's all these headlines out
right now. Let me just bust out a couple of them. Um,
Tira question Mark d w ts pro Jade's host Tyra
(13:44):
Banks survival in the show two years after she replaced
fired Tom Burs Rodd and Aaron Andrews um basically all
the same headlines. Um, just you know, I think people
don't understand how close we are, and whenever we do
talk that that doesn't mean I'm shading anybody. And so
it also doesn't mean because I would love for you
to come back. I think it would be so amazing,
(14:04):
especially if I'm involved with the show somehow. But like
that doesn't mean again that I want Tyra out. Like
people just need to stop it. This is something that's
happening and look at you know my perspective. I think
I've said as much in other interviews. I have no
issues with anybody who's uh in front of the camera
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on that show at all. Um My, you know, someone's
offered a gig, they're fully entitled to take it. The
only you know, people I had issue with, they're not
there anymore for the most part, so so on to
the next. That's right, I mean, look, what was there
was no real reason. I'm assuming it was just it
(14:47):
had people just evolve? Is that correct? Or in terms
of well, no, I think I think, uh, it's fair
to say that my uh taking issue with the bookings
that they were, uh we're doing prior to the election year. Um. Yeah,
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you know, I went public with my concerns about that. Uh.
And it wasn't related to a particular party or a
particular person. It was just the idea that on the
cusp of an election year, particularly in a divisive world
that we live in politically in in so many ways,
it just felt like our show at its best is
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an escape from all that, to our respite from all
of the bullshit that you have to deal with on
a day to day basis. And and I had been
given assurances by the now outsted a showrunner that he says,
with a bit of a gleam um that that they
wouldn't go political. And then they did. And and I
(15:52):
told the person whom they booked it wasn't about him
at all. It was about the idea that it was
a uh, a lightning rod political figure on the custom
of an election year, and I didn't think that was
wise regardless of political party. Yeah yeah, yeah, So like
if it wasn't Obama was wanting to come on, it
would be the same I would I would have felt
(16:13):
the same way, you know, and and uh and I
think though that that would be great on the show though. Yeah, yeah,
well I think though that there you know, people that
both at the network and that showrunner didn't take kindly
to their hosts, saying all right, their call. I don't agree.
So is this the one that karma is a bitch
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thing that everyone He's also writing up that was that
I love you and I love you God. I just
I wish I could just squeeze shake the ship out
of you right out. That would be amazing. Well, we'll
have lunch when I get back, and I'll shake the
ship out of you. I'm actually in Calabasas quite a lot.
My somatic therapist is there, so I go and see
her live in person. And I was always drive by
(16:55):
that your favorite restaurant. Okay, well we'll go there again, yes, okay, perfect?
So what a what are you doing. What's not like,
what have you been? What are you? What are you doing?
(17:17):
I can't tell you. Yeah, I kind of like this,
you know there. Yeah, you have to remember I'm very
old and and I've been doing I've been doing this
for a long time. This is my fiftieth year in
broadcasting because I started when I was seventeen and uh
and I you know, for many of those years, and
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I eagerly hosted two, sometimes three shows at a time. Um,
when I was in the New England market, I was
doing a TV show on New Hampshire Public Television, a
weekly TV show on Boston's NBC affiliate, a nightly radio
show in New Hampshire, and then filling in a case
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aasionally on other stuff at the Boston station. So I
was like a whirling dervish of of broadcasting. Um. I
remember actually when when my wife and I were dating
and we visited her parents for the first time at
their place in Florida, and I remember telling Lois, I
had this weird nightmare that I was stark naked and
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I was surrounded by cameras and microphones and I couldn't
get out of the way. Were butt naked I was?
But yeah, that's like the ultimate vulnerable. Yeah. Yeah, And
so now I'm at a point where I can pick
and choose occasionally to do do some stuff. Uh, and
I'm kind of loving it. I really am y. Yeah,
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because you never really have to work again, I'm assuming.
I mean that's you just do it for pure and
the way it should be. I think it needs to
be because you are passionate about it and you're not
just doing it for the paycheck. You know that. I mean,
that's a philosophy that I've tried to live by and
not just preach. But so speaking of philosophy, these uh,
you're You're so much better at used to be. Oh,
(19:07):
I learned from the best. But you know, I also
started this intro out with saying how you've been a
mentor to me, both personally and professionally, and how um
I remember your advice because I ended up going with
the same agent that you were ripped by as well. Um,
and this was all because of you, because I wanted
to see you know that my transition, like what is
going to happen? Because you get so consumed with dancing
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with the stars or I do, at least, and it
gets scary to see life without it. And this was
before I moved to the N word NBC UM and
all of that happened. I didn't sound right, that's way
had to say so pretty fast. I thought I was
scoring a completely different direction. Yeah, I didn't want people
to make a headline about that when there's so much
(19:49):
more to talk about. But you know, at the end
of the day, you've also came through too for me
during personal um ups and downs um and some we
just won't discuss here. So look, I guess did you
ever think that. I mean, I'm pretty sure you think
that I've evolved right, definitely from the dirt bag and
that I don't like. I'm not saying that to hurt
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myself or began to myself. It's just the song. It's
called teenage dirt Bag. Everyone check out my Instagram if
you don't know what the hell I'm saying. But really
it has been I've noticed since my sobriety, and honestly,
I started transidental meditation as soon as are we decided
to separate. I was very happy to hear that you
were doing that. Yeah, and I have to say, of course, therapy,
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but this has a lot to do with the reason
why I'm sitting here today because I think that, and
why I'm still sober I believe. Um, I guess my
question is what advice do you have for someone like
me going through a transition, both personally and professionally. Well,
I'm going to backtrack a little bit for that answer. UM,
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back when we first met back into some six and
instantly became really good friends. One of the things, and
it's not just about you, but a lot of the
other prose uh in their twenties getting this incredible degree
of national attention. Covers of magazines focus on you know,
(21:21):
what do you weigh this week versus what you weighed last? Way,
all this bullshit, and I just thought, you know, I
just felt very protective of all of you. I mean
I just felt kind of like your I mean, we
we talked about it, I mean, you being my dance
daughter and me being your dance dad, but but in
a in a very real way. And I think it
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was because I was, you know, I was a guy
who turned fifty, and I could see the kind of
pressures you were all under, uh, and how difficult it
was to navigate that decade of your life where you
should be kind of going a little crazy and experimenting
and having fun and all that. But but you've got
pop Rozie on you, and you've got constant attention and
(22:03):
right t MZ and and social media. Yeah yeah, So
as as that took more of a foothold into our culture,
you guys were all dealing with being exposed in a
in a very real way on a public stage. Um.
But to your to your question about now, I think
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really and why I was so pleased to hear that
you were meditating, it's all about now. I mean, it's
why I would between our dress rehearsal and the live show,
go into my dressing room, shut the door. People knew
if they knocked I wouldn't answer, very likely because I
was meditating. I wanted to be present. I wanted to
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be completely aware of the current moment because you never
know what's going to happen on a live show. People
could faint, people could charge the stage like when you
were Worth Ryan, you know, oh my gosh and uh.
And although I have to credit security Dave with having
having God bless him, man, he had those people's sucking
(23:09):
floor faster than I even knew they were out there.
For my listener, you guys have to YouTube this. I
just reacted to it on my TikTok. Actually, I've never
seen Dave move so freaking all of a sudden. I
was like, wait, At first, I thought it was a joke.
We're talking about Ryan Lockdey. And when these protesters decided
to I thought they were armed because they kept reaching
in his pocket. Anyway, it was all a blur. But yes,
(23:31):
you're right. Stay calm. Yeah, you stay calm and present.
And I think anytime you're going through a transitional period
in your life, and I mean you in the broad
sense of allas uh, to be able to be aware
of how you feel in the present moment, what you know,
what's going on is probably one of the best healing
(23:55):
techniques to getting through a difficult time. Um. I mean,
my my dad died on a show day. I got
the call. Uh Lois was back east here. I had
been in the hospice room with him on the Friday.
He I said, you know, I've got to do the
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show Monday. I have to fly tomorrow. Um, I'll be
back on Tuesday. Dad. But he was starting to go
in and out at that point, and he was starting
to see his parents, my grandparents, so I told him,
I said, I'll be back Tuesday, but if you see them,
you can go to them. It's okay. And and I
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fully I didn't know whether I would ever see him again.
And I were I was in my dressing room. Lois
called he had just passed. It was like ten thirty
on the on the West Coast and Rob Wade was
our executive producer at that point, and he said, uh,
if you want to skip the dress rehearsal, I said, no,
I need to just here. And I think the only person,
(25:02):
one camera person knew Easter knew and and Aaron of course,
Aaron Andrews, and she was a rock. She was just
So we did the show and at one point I
think Easter came up to give me a hug during
commercial break, I said, not yet, don't do it. I
can't do it all. And I didn't even know what
I was going to say at the end of the show.
(25:22):
At the beginning of the show, I had thanked people
for their lovely uh tweets and emails and words of
support because Alfonso had had filled had filled in for
me the prior week because I was at my dad's bedside.
It was the only show I missed during my run UM,
so I didn't know what I was going to say
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at the end of the show, knowing UM that Rob
had said, we're going to put up a full screen
uh with his name Ray Berger on his birthday his
death day, and I just and it came to me.
I said, you know, my dad never missed a show,
and I'd like to think somewhere he's not missing this one.
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And Aaron and I went back to my dressing room
and the two of us just started crying. Oh my gosh.
But I'll tell you if if if I didn't have
that mental muscle of meditation, I don't think I could
have done the show. I was able to keep that focused.
But I really credit I credit that the meditation and
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the years of doing it with giving me that ability.
I'm actually gifting it to my assistant for her birthday
because I truly do believe in it. I have done
many forms of meditation, and the reason why I credit
a lot of it to my mental state at the
moment is because I just know me. I know how
reactive I can be UM, and I also know how
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I could live in that negativity. But that just being
a little bit jaded, you know. Yeah, yeah, I must
admit that my reaction is less of a reaction and
more of a response because of tim and mind you
have only started it, and yes, I'm doing it twice
a day. Sometimes I don't want to judge the meditation,
but sometimes, you know, if I don't do the second one, though,
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I get a migraine. So I feel very really yeah, wow, okay,
I feel very codependent. I remember asking you for your mantra.
How dare I? That is so against practice? Like, I'm
so sorry I said that. I know, I was like asking,
Like it's basically saying, okay, so pull down your pants.
You're like, what, although you know it's interesting. Years ago,
(27:31):
I thought, I wonder if if I went on Google,
there's a list of transcendental meditation mantras? What there is?
Including Yeah, well mine's there, so you should check to
see if yours. I really don't want to that. Well,
but here's the thing. When you're getting the instruction, presumably
(27:52):
the person instructing you picks one for you based on
their experience working with you. Yes, so you know it's
it's I kind of like that. It's sort of like
sort of a mantra horoscope. I suppose it's it's supposed
to link with your personality. But you said something that
I love, the difference between a reaction and a response. Uh,
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And it's there's a definite difference in those two things,
the quality of those two things. And I think that
when you respond to something, it's like you're taking it
in your your kind of letting it filter through. You
have a more mature, balanced, focused response. A reaction can
be fast and quick, and you know, someone like myself
(28:35):
with the real hair trigger temper, that's that's why I
started meditating years ago because of my temper. Wait, what
do you mean I used to put now I never
it was never at anybody else. It was usually self
directed or or sheet rock in apartments. When I was single.
(28:55):
You know, there were a few there are a few
apartment walls put up posters, so you know, when I
move out, i'd put a poster up and expect to
get my security deposit back. Interesting. Wait, so how did
who told you about transidental? Well? I had even in
high school. I was drawn to Eastern philosophy, Buddhism and such.
(29:17):
I was brought up Catholic, But that's that didn't do
it for me over my home. Yea, yeah, that we
do too at the house. And uh, and so I
had always been kind of into meditation, but I would
just do, you know, sort of my own you know,
I would just quiet myself. I pick a word or
look at the spot on the wall. But when Lewis
(29:40):
and I were dating, something happened. We were in the
car and it's something had happened, and I just banged
my fist into the car door to my left in frustration.
And she very wisely said, if we're going to have
a relationship, that's gonna stop. Oh good for her. Is
that why you're still married to this day forty years?
(30:00):
We just celebrated our Yeah, what are the I know,
so cliche? What congratulations? By the way, that is pretty amazing.
You were you guys got married the day I was born,
not the day the year. And yeah, there's no math
in this podcast. Maybe I was. And by the way,
(30:22):
this is why I dance and now use my mouth
to maybe makes a correct yes, yes, yes, okay, good
to know. Definitely won't be a math tutor during this
transition of what happens after dancing. Um, so, what is
the secret to a long lasting marriage. I mean, I
witnessed my mother and stepdad. They've been together close to
(30:46):
math isn't my strong suit clearly, But I would say
they got married us ten so eighteen years Yeah, yeah, Okay,
they dated a while before, but I think the key
for us uh, And I've said this before in some interviews.
We're both very strong individuals. We're both fully capable of
(31:07):
being fine on our own, but we're better together. It
sounds like a cliche, but it's true. I mean, we're
we really are better together. We're good buddies. We realize
that relationships are are living things. You don't uh, you
can't put him on autopilot, you know. As as you age,
you you change, you know, and and the relationship sort
(31:30):
of changes and matures and and develops qualities as as
you do as a person. Yeah, yeah, so I think
that communication is key. Really does she meditate as well? So?
What how do you guys? So how does she I
guess navigate or have you ever ran into any jealousy
issues like your dance daughter? You are just you can't
(31:54):
stop talking about her like enough or I'm kidding? Or
does she like does she hate the fact that or
not hate I'm or she supports it. But did she
prefer you to be home in New Hampshire? No? I
think you know, I think we we we love our
our sort of like coastal life and you guys are
two separate individuals. Yeah, I look, I grew up in
(32:16):
New England. Lowest died as well, so this area of
the country is very very special to us. We met
in New Hampshire. She was a producer director in public television.
I was doing a radio show here, um, and that's
where we we first met. So it's great to be
with someone who knows the you know, the business, albeit
(32:39):
from a different side of it. But um, but who
gets it. So it cuts down on the need to
explain things, right. Yeah, did you think that I was
ever going to be sitting here single again? When you
were at my wedding? Stop it tell me the truth?
He said you were gonna say be that you said
you were gonna say it. I I remember thinking I
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would happily, I would happily go to as many weddings
as you Tom. So as you guys have heard already, Um,
we are an open book and Tom really brings out
the best in me and says it as it is
um so make sure you tune in to part two.
This had to be two different parts. You won't want
(33:25):
to miss it. Thanks for listening and coming along this
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Hey guys, welcome to Burke in the Game. We are
definitely having a very exciting guest. Come on. He has
never done the pod before and he is considered my
dance dad, Mr Tom bergeron himself. We're going to get
into some trouble, so before we do that, let me
(00:26):
give you guys a little update on how I'm doing. Um, So,
as I said earlier or the last time that you
heard the pod, I am back in a twelve step program,
and part of the program is to really connect to
a higher power and to God. And I think there
was a time and definitely, you know, I'm still trying
to figure out what that relationship is to God. I
(00:47):
was baptized Catholic, and I would consider myself a little
bit more Buddhist than Catholic nowadays. But look, I do
believe in a higher power. What I what's so hard
for me, I guess is when I'm going through these
like downs in my life life, I don't necessarily turn
to God or I don't fall to my knees right away. Um,
I don't remember the last time that that happened. To
be quite honest, but I do know that in order
(01:09):
for me to stay sober, that I have to figure
out what that relationship is. And that's what I've been
really trying to do without forcefully doing it, if you
know what I mean. I've always believed in a higher power.
I think the word God was very intimidating. But um, yeah,
so that's that on my sobriety. I'm still sober. Yeah,
celebrated four years end of July, as you guys know. Um,
(01:30):
and then you know, since we're having Tom bergeron, come on,
I do want to clarify there's been lots of gossip
around the fact that I've been shading Tyra Banks now
because Tom and I have a really close relationship and
he I consider him one of my many mentors in life.
That does not mean, by any means that I every
(01:53):
conversation is alluded to Tyra. Tyra Banks. I respect her
very much, and I want to be clear that you know,
and I say I would love Tom berge Run to
come back to the show. That doesn't entail necessarily that
Tyra has to be fired or I don't want Tyra there.
There's a few articles out again that I want to
just clarify d w TS pro Shades host Tyra Banks
(02:14):
is survival of the show after two years after she
replaced fired Tom and Aaron Andrews. Listen, I again was
taken out of context. Okay, so what I meant to
say and what I did say if you were to
hear the actual interview, But what I said was that
I love Tyra. She's Tyra Banks. I get very excited
when I see her, like basically be the opening number,
(02:36):
to see what she wears. I think what is so
beautiful to witness, to be quite honest, is to see
her growth on the show, to see her come to
like really be inspired by all of us. And also,
you know, I see the way she looks at dress
rehearsal like she's really into it, and I just love that.
You know, it's never easy, and this is what I
said as well, it's never easy to come into a
(02:56):
well oiled machine like Dancing with the Stars after being
on air for thirty seasons. Right, So, and then what
I said was now if you last, And I was
mentioning newbies, meaning it wasn't just Tyra. I was mentioning
any new dancer, any new producer, any new hair and makeup.
Person that decides to join a dance like Dancing with
the Star is a well oiled machine, will have probably
(03:20):
challenges along the way. Now, I can't speak for Tyra.
I'm not saying that it's overwhelming on her behalf. I'm
not saying how stressful it must be on her. I
would never talk for anybody. But what I am saying
is now, if they survive, that's another that's another story.
At the end of the day. It didn't mean that
like if Tyra will survive Dancing with the Stars d
(03:41):
w TS pro Cheryl Burke shades her like no. And
I just want to be clear too to everybody that
will most likely write a headline after you hear my
interview with Tom. You know again, nothing is directed at
Tyra unless we say Tyra, Tom and I have history.
We're going to say shit, We're going to make headlines.
(04:03):
I can guarantee it, especially since Tom text me a
few days ago and said, look, I've got two requirements
before going on the pod. One, don't send me the
questions ahead of time, and two anything goes that is
scary yet very exciting. Anyway, you won't want to miss
this interview. Listen as we just chat and catch up
with Mr Tom bergeron himself. My dad's dad. Hey you?
(04:37):
Oh my gosh, yes, Dad, I can't see your face. Here?
Is that beautiful tan face? Well? I don't know if
it's tanner. It's just lighting actually, but it's definitely beautiful.
And that eyebrow of yours. You need a trade market? Yeah?
How are you? I'm all right? How are you? Oh?
(04:58):
You know you're ring up maybe for another season. I
can't confirm nor deny. Oh okay, well, what what's today today?
It's like mid August? So yeah, you damn well better
confirm or deny soon, right, I mean hopefully, yeah, hopefully.
It's a great, good old confirmation. This will be my
twenty six season. If I do do it, you said
(05:20):
do do do do? If I do, do, do? Hey,
what's going on with your hair? Is that you can
get a little action going on there? Do you like
the Asian blonde look? Or you know? You can do
no wrong in my life? In my heart? Really? Never, never,
tom never? Okay, how are you? I'm good. I'm real good.
(05:40):
I'm real good. Yeah. I can't believe you said yes
to this. I am honored. Why would I say no
to you in your podcast? I don't know, because you're
Tom Bergeron. You're still Tom Bergeron. Yeah, for what that's worth.
Where in the world are you right now in New Hampshire?
I wonder. It's not very calabasas of you. That background,
(06:00):
it's very it's very woodstove and brick and and uh. Yeah.
Do you feel a lot calmer when you're away from
Los Angeles or does it not affect you because you're
you do transcendental Yeah, well yeah, I've been meditating since
well before you were born. Um, but yeah, it is
calmer here. It's very Uh remember one time when our
(06:23):
oldest daughter was was little and we would come up
here for the summer when they get out of school
in Connecticut, and uh and Jess was looking at the
people around here, and she said, why is everybody so
happy here? Why does everybody drive the speed limit? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
and have and have lives that have balance. You know,
(06:45):
it's not all that sort of career focused intensity. There's
there's uh, there's nuance and it's like a full plate
at dinner. You have some vegetables, you have some protein,
you have you know, you have a balance to your life.
How boring? Uh? How is how is that? So your
(07:05):
grand pup? How do you say it? My grand dog?
My grand dog. So you were not a big dog
person or I wasn't. I I am now, but I
wasn't until just a couple of years ago. And uh,
and I really have to credit our daughters with turning me.
There were other dogs in the extended family that I
(07:27):
you know, I would kind of sometimes scritch occasionally, but
with no real heart and yeah right yeah, and this dog,
just our daughter's dog, just completely melted my heart. And
I've I've I've turned into a big dog person. Now
I get it. It's just me and my dog through
this whole divorce and everything. Me and my frenchie Isabella
(07:49):
with a y of course. Um yeah, weird, Like why
would you spell Isabella with a y? You know what,
you're going through a period of your life where you're
entitled to spell things however you want. Okay, great, good, good,
Speaking of my divorce now, you I was really honored
that you came to my wedding, because you don't go
(08:09):
to every wedding, by the way. Uh, and it you know,
yours was I think the only one I went to.
I know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, and I don't
don't have that face, Tom, Tom, let's not deny this.
Me and you, I am your freaking favorite dancer on
Dancing with the Stars. Get out of here. I me
(08:31):
and kim me and I called you my dance daughter exactly,
and you mean it. This is not like we're not
kidding guys, just because we go back to season two
six when you were how old? See I was. I
I marveled at what you guys in your twenties. We're
able to navigate. I know, I know from your perspective
(08:54):
there it may have been choppy waters at times. I
don't remember. I don't remember much, but yeah, I saw
your recent Instagram post of photos from your twenties which
I loved. My dirt back my dirt back days. I mean,
you know what, Here's the thing I I when dancing
started in two thousand and five. The major difference here
is I was I had just turned fifty, right, So
(09:19):
had had I enjoyed uh that level of public awareness
in my twenties, I'd be I'd be dead. Now let
me tell you something, Well, thank god, I am sober,
But yeah, I agree. First of all, I think I'd
probably be dead now for sure, but you definitely don't
even don't pretend Tom that me and you didn't have
(09:42):
some fun. Remember those mid season parties you were so
kind enough to like host And let me tell you
guys something, My listeners over here they probably think rap
parties are good. No, these mid season parties, this was
the party everyone was waiting for because, especially if you
were already eliminated, you know, it was so much fun
because you could just get blasted and not feel like
(10:03):
crap the next day or go to rehearsal. So whenever
I was eliminated early, which wasn't very often, thank god,
but one season it was, and I was like, oh,
I can't wait till this midseason party. Yeah, it's like
I was gearing up. I picked an outfit and everything.
I had the time to do all of that. I
missed that so much. That was initially the impulse for
(10:25):
that was very altruistic. It was just to get all
of the different departments of the show that usually would
not interact, but we're all responsible for mounting the show
every week, to get people to to sort of get
to know each other and realize how intricate all the
different pieces of the puzzle were. And the only condition
(10:47):
I had no plus ones. You could I love that
so good to bring your spouse. You couldn't bring your
boyfriend girlfriend. The stars put some air quotes up there,
could not bring their agents or publicists or hangers on.
And and the stories of of hangovers and hook ups
I got for days made it all worth it. Tell us,
(11:09):
would you be so kind to share one? No, I'm kidding.
No one wants to know because it probably involved me.
We did throw box on in the back seat of
a car. Now, that's what I was going to mention,
actually because I had to physically. I was a troop
dancer on Dancing Sweetheart, right onto Kim's lap. I think
(11:32):
Kim was another producer on the show. Was charged with
making sure she got home. And this was also before
Uber We had no taxi service, so I was tons
of trouble. It was the Ubergeron service exactly, Yes, go home?
Um okay, So speaking of dancing, now forget like all
(11:54):
the like do you miss it? Like I whatever? But
what will it take me to come back? Oh? Well
there are other people there are still there are not
an issue. Uh, Conrad was the first executive producer I
worked with back in two thousand five. I mourned his
(12:16):
departure when he left UM and I I think that
and I said to him, if anybody's going to right
that ship, you're the guy. And so I'm thrilled for him.
I'm also thrilled for Alfonso, who I'm I've always been
a fan of and was, you know, his advocate when
I decided to leave the video show for for him
(12:39):
to take it over. He just seemed the perfect choice,
and he's proven that to be true. So so I
appreciate your questions. Answer the question, but there are other
people in those jobs right now, right now. But like,
let's just say, let's just say next season, if may
maybe there might not be the same. Maybe. I'm not
(13:00):
asking if you'd come back tomorrow, but maybe for season
thirty because that would be awkward. You can always come
back as a celebrity and I'll dance with you. You You know,
you never know, You're like, no, thanks, I've already done
a quick step that was enough for you. But how
about for season thirty two? Maybe I let's let's just say,
(13:21):
well we'll cross stand bridge, okay, in front of us. Okay,
well you are missed. I must say that has no
there's no shade to tie. I had to make this
clear in my intro because there's all these headlines out
right now. Let me just bust out a couple of them. Um,
Tira question Mark d w ts pro Jade's host Tyra
(13:44):
Banks survival in the show two years after she replaced
fired Tom Burs Rodd and Aaron Andrews um basically all
the same headlines. Um, just you know, I think people
don't understand how close we are, and whenever we do
talk that that doesn't mean I'm shading anybody. And so
it also doesn't mean because I would love for you
to come back. I think it would be so amazing,
(14:04):
especially if I'm involved with the show somehow. But like
that doesn't mean again that I want Tyra out. Like
people just need to stop it. This is something that's
happening and look at you know my perspective. I think
I've said as much in other interviews. I have no
issues with anybody who's uh in front of the camera
(14:25):
on that show at all. Um My, you know, someone's
offered a gig, they're fully entitled to take it. The
only you know, people I had issue with, they're not
there anymore for the most part, so so on to
the next. That's right, I mean, look, what was there
was no real reason. I'm assuming it was just it
(14:47):
had people just evolve? Is that correct? Or in terms
of well, no, I think I think, uh, it's fair
to say that my uh taking issue with the bookings
that they were, uh we're doing prior to the election year. Um. Yeah,
(15:09):
you know, I went public with my concerns about that. Uh.
And it wasn't related to a particular party or a
particular person. It was just the idea that on the
cusp of an election year, particularly in a divisive world
that we live in politically in in so many ways,
it just felt like our show at its best is
(15:29):
an escape from all that, to our respite from all
of the bullshit that you have to deal with on
a day to day basis. And and I had been
given assurances by the now outsted a showrunner that he says,
with a bit of a gleam um that that they
wouldn't go political. And then they did. And and I
(15:52):
told the person whom they booked it wasn't about him
at all. It was about the idea that it was
a uh, a lightning rod political figure on the custom
of an election year, and I didn't think that was
wise regardless of political party. Yeah yeah, yeah, So like
if it wasn't Obama was wanting to come on, it
would be the same I would I would have felt
(16:13):
the same way, you know, and and uh and I
think though that that would be great on the show though. Yeah, yeah,
well I think though that there you know, people that
both at the network and that showrunner didn't take kindly
to their hosts, saying all right, their call. I don't agree.
So is this the one that karma is a bitch
(16:35):
thing that everyone He's also writing up that was that
I love you and I love you God. I just
I wish I could just squeeze shake the ship out
of you right out. That would be amazing. Well, we'll
have lunch when I get back, and I'll shake the
ship out of you. I'm actually in Calabasas quite a lot.
My somatic therapist is there, so I go and see
her live in person. And I was always drive by
(16:55):
that your favorite restaurant. Okay, well we'll go there again, yes, okay, perfect?
So what a what are you doing. What's not like,
what have you been? What are you? What are you doing?
(17:17):
I can't tell you. Yeah, I kind of like this,
you know there. Yeah, you have to remember I'm very
old and and I've been doing I've been doing this
for a long time. This is my fiftieth year in
broadcasting because I started when I was seventeen and uh
and I you know, for many of those years, and
(17:39):
I eagerly hosted two, sometimes three shows at a time. Um,
when I was in the New England market, I was
doing a TV show on New Hampshire Public Television, a
weekly TV show on Boston's NBC affiliate, a nightly radio
show in New Hampshire, and then filling in a case
(18:00):
aasionally on other stuff at the Boston station. So I
was like a whirling dervish of of broadcasting. Um. I
remember actually when when my wife and I were dating
and we visited her parents for the first time at
their place in Florida, and I remember telling Lois, I
had this weird nightmare that I was stark naked and
(18:21):
I was surrounded by cameras and microphones and I couldn't
get out of the way. Were butt naked I was?
But yeah, that's like the ultimate vulnerable. Yeah. Yeah, And
so now I'm at a point where I can pick
and choose occasionally to do do some stuff. Uh, and
I'm kind of loving it. I really am y. Yeah,
(18:42):
because you never really have to work again, I'm assuming.
I mean that's you just do it for pure and
the way it should be. I think it needs to
be because you are passionate about it and you're not
just doing it for the paycheck. You know that. I mean,
that's a philosophy that I've tried to live by and
not just preach. But so speaking of philosophy, these uh,
you're You're so much better at used to be. Oh,
(19:07):
I learned from the best. But you know, I also
started this intro out with saying how you've been a
mentor to me, both personally and professionally, and how um
I remember your advice because I ended up going with
the same agent that you were ripped by as well. Um,
and this was all because of you, because I wanted
to see you know that my transition, like what is
going to happen? Because you get so consumed with dancing
(19:28):
with the stars or I do, at least, and it
gets scary to see life without it. And this was
before I moved to the N word NBC UM and
all of that happened. I didn't sound right, that's way
had to say so pretty fast. I thought I was
scoring a completely different direction. Yeah, I didn't want people
to make a headline about that when there's so much
(19:49):
more to talk about. But you know, at the end
of the day, you've also came through too for me
during personal um ups and downs um and some we
just won't discuss here. So look, I guess did you
ever think that. I mean, I'm pretty sure you think
that I've evolved right, definitely from the dirt bag and
that I don't like. I'm not saying that to hurt
(20:11):
myself or began to myself. It's just the song. It's
called teenage dirt Bag. Everyone check out my Instagram if
you don't know what the hell I'm saying. But really
it has been I've noticed since my sobriety, and honestly,
I started transidental meditation as soon as are we decided
to separate. I was very happy to hear that you
were doing that. Yeah, and I have to say, of course, therapy,
(20:33):
but this has a lot to do with the reason
why I'm sitting here today because I think that, and
why I'm still sober I believe. Um, I guess my
question is what advice do you have for someone like
me going through a transition, both personally and professionally. Well,
I'm going to backtrack a little bit for that answer. UM,
(20:56):
back when we first met back into some six and
instantly became really good friends. One of the things, and
it's not just about you, but a lot of the
other prose uh in their twenties getting this incredible degree
of national attention. Covers of magazines focus on you know,
(21:21):
what do you weigh this week versus what you weighed last? Way,
all this bullshit, and I just thought, you know, I
just felt very protective of all of you. I mean
I just felt kind of like your I mean, we
we talked about it, I mean, you being my dance
daughter and me being your dance dad, but but in
a in a very real way. And I think it
(21:41):
was because I was, you know, I was a guy
who turned fifty, and I could see the kind of
pressures you were all under, uh, and how difficult it
was to navigate that decade of your life where you
should be kind of going a little crazy and experimenting
and having fun and all that. But but you've got
pop Rozie on you, and you've got constant attention and
(22:03):
right t MZ and and social media. Yeah yeah, So
as as that took more of a foothold into our culture,
you guys were all dealing with being exposed in a
in a very real way on a public stage. Um.
But to your to your question about now, I think
(22:28):
really and why I was so pleased to hear that
you were meditating, it's all about now. I mean, it's
why I would between our dress rehearsal and the live show,
go into my dressing room, shut the door. People knew
if they knocked I wouldn't answer, very likely because I
was meditating. I wanted to be present. I wanted to
(22:49):
be completely aware of the current moment because you never
know what's going to happen on a live show. People
could faint, people could charge the stage like when you
were Worth Ryan, you know, oh my gosh and uh.
And although I have to credit security Dave with having
having God bless him, man, he had those people's sucking
(23:09):
floor faster than I even knew they were out there.
For my listener, you guys have to YouTube this. I
just reacted to it on my TikTok. Actually, I've never
seen Dave move so freaking all of a sudden. I
was like, wait, At first, I thought it was a joke.
We're talking about Ryan Lockdey. And when these protesters decided
to I thought they were armed because they kept reaching
in his pocket. Anyway, it was all a blur. But yes,
(23:31):
you're right. Stay calm. Yeah, you stay calm and present.
And I think anytime you're going through a transitional period
in your life, and I mean you in the broad
sense of allas uh, to be able to be aware
of how you feel in the present moment, what you know,
what's going on is probably one of the best healing
(23:55):
techniques to getting through a difficult time. Um. I mean,
my my dad died on a show day. I got
the call. Uh Lois was back east here. I had
been in the hospice room with him on the Friday.
He I said, you know, I've got to do the
(24:16):
show Monday. I have to fly tomorrow. Um, I'll be
back on Tuesday. Dad. But he was starting to go
in and out at that point, and he was starting
to see his parents, my grandparents, so I told him,
I said, I'll be back Tuesday, but if you see them,
you can go to them. It's okay. And and I
(24:38):
fully I didn't know whether I would ever see him again.
And I were I was in my dressing room. Lois
called he had just passed. It was like ten thirty
on the on the West Coast and Rob Wade was
our executive producer at that point, and he said, uh,
if you want to skip the dress rehearsal, I said, no,
I need to just here. And I think the only person,
(25:02):
one camera person knew Easter knew and and Aaron of course,
Aaron Andrews, and she was a rock. She was just
So we did the show and at one point I
think Easter came up to give me a hug during
commercial break, I said, not yet, don't do it. I
can't do it all. And I didn't even know what
I was going to say at the end of the show.
(25:22):
At the beginning of the show, I had thanked people
for their lovely uh tweets and emails and words of
support because Alfonso had had filled had filled in for
me the prior week because I was at my dad's bedside.
It was the only show I missed during my run UM,
so I didn't know what I was going to say
(25:42):
at the end of the show, knowing UM that Rob
had said, we're going to put up a full screen
uh with his name Ray Berger on his birthday his
death day, and I just and it came to me.
I said, you know, my dad never missed a show,
and I'd like to think somewhere he's not missing this one.
(26:02):
And Aaron and I went back to my dressing room
and the two of us just started crying. Oh my gosh.
But I'll tell you if if if I didn't have
that mental muscle of meditation, I don't think I could
have done the show. I was able to keep that focused.
But I really credit I credit that the meditation and
(26:25):
the years of doing it with giving me that ability.
I'm actually gifting it to my assistant for her birthday
because I truly do believe in it. I have done
many forms of meditation, and the reason why I credit
a lot of it to my mental state at the
moment is because I just know me. I know how
reactive I can be UM, and I also know how
(26:48):
I could live in that negativity. But that just being
a little bit jaded, you know. Yeah, yeah, I must
admit that my reaction is less of a reaction and
more of a response because of tim and mind you
have only started it, and yes, I'm doing it twice
a day. Sometimes I don't want to judge the meditation,
but sometimes, you know, if I don't do the second one, though,
(27:10):
I get a migraine. So I feel very really yeah, wow, okay,
I feel very codependent. I remember asking you for your mantra.
How dare I? That is so against practice? Like, I'm
so sorry I said that. I know, I was like asking,
Like it's basically saying, okay, so pull down your pants.
You're like, what, although you know it's interesting. Years ago,
(27:31):
I thought, I wonder if if I went on Google,
there's a list of transcendental meditation mantras? What there is?
Including Yeah, well mine's there, so you should check to
see if yours. I really don't want to that. Well,
but here's the thing. When you're getting the instruction, presumably
(27:52):
the person instructing you picks one for you based on
their experience working with you. Yes, so you know it's
it's I kind of like that. It's sort of like
sort of a mantra horoscope. I suppose it's it's supposed
to link with your personality. But you said something that
I love, the difference between a reaction and a response. Uh,
(28:13):
And it's there's a definite difference in those two things,
the quality of those two things. And I think that
when you respond to something, it's like you're taking it
in your your kind of letting it filter through. You
have a more mature, balanced, focused response. A reaction can
be fast and quick, and you know, someone like myself
(28:35):
with the real hair trigger temper, that's that's why I
started meditating years ago because of my temper. Wait, what
do you mean I used to put now I never
it was never at anybody else. It was usually self
directed or or sheet rock in apartments. When I was single.
(28:55):
You know, there were a few there are a few
apartment walls put up posters, so you know, when I
move out, i'd put a poster up and expect to
get my security deposit back. Interesting. Wait, so how did
who told you about transidental? Well? I had even in
high school. I was drawn to Eastern philosophy, Buddhism and such.
(29:17):
I was brought up Catholic, But that's that didn't do
it for me over my home. Yea, yeah, that we
do too at the house. And uh, and so I
had always been kind of into meditation, but I would
just do, you know, sort of my own you know,
I would just quiet myself. I pick a word or
look at the spot on the wall. But when Lewis
(29:40):
and I were dating, something happened. We were in the
car and it's something had happened, and I just banged
my fist into the car door to my left in frustration.
And she very wisely said, if we're going to have
a relationship, that's gonna stop. Oh good for her. Is
that why you're still married to this day forty years?
(30:00):
We just celebrated our Yeah, what are the I know,
so cliche? What congratulations? By the way, that is pretty amazing.
You were you guys got married the day I was born,
not the day the year. And yeah, there's no math
in this podcast. Maybe I was. And by the way,
(30:22):
this is why I dance and now use my mouth
to maybe makes a correct yes, yes, yes, okay, good
to know. Definitely won't be a math tutor during this
transition of what happens after dancing. Um, so, what is
the secret to a long lasting marriage. I mean, I
witnessed my mother and stepdad. They've been together close to
(30:46):
math isn't my strong suit clearly, But I would say
they got married us ten so eighteen years Yeah, yeah, Okay,
they dated a while before, but I think the key
for us uh, And I've said this before in some interviews.
We're both very strong individuals. We're both fully capable of
(31:07):
being fine on our own, but we're better together. It
sounds like a cliche, but it's true. I mean, we're
we really are better together. We're good buddies. We realize
that relationships are are living things. You don't uh, you
can't put him on autopilot, you know. As as you age,
you you change, you know, and and the relationship sort
(31:30):
of changes and matures and and develops qualities as as
you do as a person. Yeah, yeah, so I think
that communication is key. Really does she meditate as well? So?
What how do you guys? So how does she I
guess navigate or have you ever ran into any jealousy
issues like your dance daughter? You are just you can't
(31:54):
stop talking about her like enough or I'm kidding? Or
does she like does she hate the fact that or
not hate I'm or she supports it. But did she
prefer you to be home in New Hampshire? No? I
think you know, I think we we we love our
our sort of like coastal life and you guys are
two separate individuals. Yeah, I look, I grew up in
(32:16):
New England. Lowest died as well, so this area of
the country is very very special to us. We met
in New Hampshire. She was a producer director in public television.
I was doing a radio show here, um, and that's
where we we first met. So it's great to be
with someone who knows the you know, the business, albeit
(32:39):
from a different side of it. But um, but who
gets it. So it cuts down on the need to
explain things, right. Yeah, did you think that I was
ever going to be sitting here single again? When you
were at my wedding? Stop it tell me the truth?
He said you were gonna say be that you said
you were gonna say it. I I remember thinking I
(33:02):
would happily, I would happily go to as many weddings
as you Tom. So as you guys have heard already, Um,
we are an open book and Tom really brings out
the best in me and says it as it is
um so make sure you tune in to part two.
This had to be two different parts. You won't want
(33:25):
to miss it. Thanks for listening and coming along this
journey with me. If you like what you hear, then
feel free to give this podcast five stars. You can
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