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November 7, 2021 32 mins

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
From Mediator's World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is
Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available
only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers
dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. In
April of two thousand twenty one, Yes, that's how long

(00:26):
it takes news to get up here, a thirty year
old Brazilian fisherman outside of brass Landia de Minas, drowned
in a farm pond while escaping a swarm of bees.
When his body was recovered, his face and other presumably
exposed parts were found to be eaten by piranha. Authorities

(00:46):
are not sure if the water or the piranha killed
the fisherman first, it is safe to assume he wasn't
a buzz kill. The deceased man's two fishing partners were
tight lipped. He can't do the well he just did. Yes,
those are morbid puns, but please don't think that they
are aimed at anyone's back. Everyone here has full rights

(01:10):
to do the same to me if I am fortunate
enough to go out while fishing. The listener that sent
that one in, says their second guessing future trips to
South America. This week we've got immaculate condorception, the crime desk,
and ask cal emails. But first, I'm gonna tell you

(01:31):
about my week. In my week, well you know, the
highlights are one big pheasant. Pheasants are harder and harder
to kill the later in the season it gets, which
makes them even more precious. Killing pressured pheasants takes athleticism, stamina, look,
and some outside of the box thinking snort. Is I

(01:54):
believe or I want to believe? A real pheasant oriented dog?
She is starting to think about outsmarting birds versus just
thinking that she'll randomly bump into them. Watching her work
bird scent is incredibly fun, just a serious highlight. She
will run her nose tight to the ground or prance

(02:16):
up on the tips of her toes with her nose
in the air. She won't work only one direction. She's
able to second guess herself. She'll hit the back trail
long enough to determine it is indeed a back trail van.
She'll turn around and give me this look that says
I'm gonna find this one. You better keep up. We're
still averaging about nine and a half miles a walk,

(02:39):
and my shooting hot streak is back to lukewarm. Other
than that brief snort report, the week was largely dominated
by corn to goose. Corn is a reference to a

(03:00):
possible unit of measure for salt. To corn something is
to cure it in salt. But what I want from
corning something, what I have been lusting after, is corned beef.
I am and always have been a lover of corned
beef briskets simmered for hours, served with potatoes and cabbage,
healthy bit of butter and vinegar on top of the

(03:21):
whole mess. Oh mama, Then of course you take that brisket,
you cut it real thin, you layer it with great
attention to detail, on rye bread with Sauer Kraut, Thousand
Island dressing, yellow mustard, and Swiss cheese. My Grandma Nancy
used to fuel my hunting excursions with bread sacks full

(03:42):
of ruben sandwiches. That is what I want when I
corn something. And with help from my friends at the
wagon Wheel in Araville, California, I have achieved corned beef
with goose, texture, flavor, overall sandwich ability. It is just
best thing going. And if you feel like I'm full

(04:03):
of it, and you want to question myself and the method,
I'm just gonna lay the gauntlet down for you and
tell you that I have consumed three Canada goose breasts
this week. You can look forward to the article and
the how to in the near future at the mediator
dot com, which is coincidentally something to keep in mind

(04:24):
if you are from Ohio. But we'll get to that later.
First off, some listener emails. We just got a letter
wonder what's fun? Trevor writes in, My dad drew a
rifle bull elk here in Idaho this last season and
we were successful. While cutting one of the backstraps, we
noticed pockets a pus surrounding an arrow that had been

(04:46):
in his back a long time. Turns out that arrow
was tipped with a mechanical broadhead, which is illegal in
the state Idaho. First question from Trevor is what do
you shoot? Response Trevor, what are you getting at, dude? Secondly,
he asked what is more ethical? A mechanical broadhead with

(05:07):
the possibility of a better wound channel or something that
the animal can remove if a bad shot is made.
So barbed broadheads are illegal just about everywhere. A barbed
broadhead is really like the thing that an animal can't remove.
Mechanical broadheads are supposed to collapse on themselves after opening up,

(05:30):
so they can be removed. If you ever shoot a
mechanical broadhead into a field target, it should show you
that I prefer fixed blade broadheads. I have killed some
animals in the past with mechanical broadheads, almost without exception,
there would be something broken on the broadhead, and I

(05:51):
just didn't like that. The animal would be dead. That's great,
that's the whole point. The broadhead did its job, but
I just didn't like that. I always found like a
broken blade in the animal or something weird. Anyway, I'm
a big believer in fixed blade broadheads, really like the
two bladers. Maybe throw some bleeder veins on there if
you want to get crazy, but that is my preference.

(06:15):
Donnie writes in what's your system for caring for birds?
When you're traveling on hunting trips? Coolers, gutting, plucking storage,
especially for birds you intend to pluck in wax when
you get home. I've lost a couple of nice birds
recently to spoilage. Went on multiday hunting trips. I need
a better way, Donnie, here's the deal man. You need

(06:39):
air circulation and a continual drop in temperature until you
get to like that relatively food safe zone. All the
feathers on birds are excellent, excellent insulators. So if you
want to be serious and very legal according to our
federal Migratory Bird regulation, this is what you should do.

(07:02):
This is the method that I use. Right, So, in
order to legally transport migratory birds, you have to leave
on a fully feathered wing or a fully feathered head,
no exceptions. This conundrum makes it hard to stack up
a ton of birds if you don't have a ton
of space, so keep that in mind. Almost without question,

(07:25):
the easiest thing to do is take a pair of
pruning shears, split the bird all the way up the back,
crunching right through the spinal bone. Right. I use steel
pruning shears. They're awesome, taking with me everywhere I go,
Super easy to clean, do a great job on birds.
You crack that bird open and you can dump all

(07:45):
the guts out, saving the heart and gizzard of course,
and then your birds instantly cooling. The next best thing
to do, and this is where it gets tough, is
you really should pluck the bird. Okay. If you can't
pluck the bird, get it hanging so it's got full
air circulation. That will aid in the cooling down process.

(08:06):
And then when you go to packaging, you need to
assure that those birds are not sitting in a bunch
of water. Okay, you want to maintain that air circulation
and cooling. And you need to label your birds. Okay.
You can't be like over the top with this stuff.
So if you have a big cooler and you have

(08:26):
all your birds in a cooler, you need to identify
how many birds are in this cooler per species, the
date that they were shot, and it needs to have
your license number, your address, phone number, and name on there.
And then if you individually package those birds within that cooler, okay,

(08:48):
you need to individually label them with that same information. Okay,
and every bird on there in there has to have
a fully feathered wing or a fully feathered head attached
to the meat. So you can get fancy and you
can break birds down and just leave the skin attached
to either the head or the wing, and that will

(09:10):
reduce your overall weight. Right. But if you want to
do like major packaging, when you get home for the
long haul, like the last birds of the season type
of thing. You really just need to pluck them where
you are. There's no way around it. Bring a vacuum seeler,
bring butcher's paper, and just be prepared to process on
the road. But keep in mind if you individually package

(09:34):
for home, each individual package while you are traveling, while
you're not at your primary residence on which you are
taxed and you receive mail and your vehicle is registered
to that primary residence if you're not there, each one
of those birds has to have a fully feathered wing
or a fully feathered head, and it needs to have

(09:56):
the species on like a nice little card, and you
can like self eliminate with packing tape the date it
was shot, your license number, and your personal info residents
phone number attached to every bird. If you're going to
individually package, That's just the way it is with migratory birds.
It's a lot of processing, and I mean it's it's

(10:18):
just a significant portion of the day, but it's good meat.
It's worth it. I'm planning another trip right now. Our
tripp to North Dakota a few weeks ago, Man, we
spent as much time processing as probably half the time
we were hunting easily. That's all I got for you, Donnie.
All right. Last up, Checkamaugan Nicolette National Forest, or as

(10:42):
they call it, Schwamegun, possibly Schwamagan, Swimming Summon, Simmons, Swans, Swinson, Swanson.
Maybe it's on the briefcase looking. Oh yeah, it's right here.
Samson Night was way off c h E qu A
M E g O N Schwamogan. My good friend Jim

(11:05):
Heffelfinger sent me in a i would say satirical peer
reviewed paper that states out of state recreationalists mispronounced schwamogan
in seventy of cases. Wisconsin residents mispronounced the word in
sixty of cases, mainly due to alcohol induced slurring that

(11:28):
falls in the correction category. Next up, cranes. Okay, I've
been talking a lot about cranes. Sandhill cranes are awesome,
very cool animals have been around for at least two
and a half million years in the form that we
know them as. They're very tasty. Like I said, super
cool animals, and Lacy of the International Crane Foundation, located

(11:51):
in Baraboo, Wisconsin, got a hold of me in regards
to the last week's podcast and sent me straight on
a couple of things that I messed up. One of
these things I knew I was messing up. The population
of sandhill cranes is not five hundred thousand birds. The
eastern population is separate from the Central flyway. The eastern

(12:13):
population is about ninety five thousand birds. Furthermore, on behalf
of the International Crane Foundation, which sounds like a super
cool nonprofit to get behind. If you're out in that
neck of the woods or anywhere for that matter. They
are migratory, they go everywhere. Would like to kind of
set the record straight on slow to mature and low productivity.

(12:36):
All right, so we've talked a lot about this and
tons of shark species, turtles, all sorts of things that
are really going extinct. The combination of slow to mature
and low productivity makes species very very hard to manage
and easy to wipe out. Your sandhill cranes can generally

(12:56):
be put in a few categories, all right. One to
three years of age, they're non breeding. Three plus years
of age, they're capable of breeding technically, but they also
need to find a mate. They need to pair up,
and they need to find territory, and they just need
to get good at the act of mating and rearing young.

(13:20):
That's impossible even for a computer. It's not impossible in stables.
I want breads in my T six team back home.
On average, they're going to produce two eggs, one or
none actually make it to the fledgling state. On top
of that, these birds need a huge territory because their
reproduction is based on a territory. So even if they're

(13:43):
paired up, they're sexually mature, they need to find the
space to nest. A lot of this space is you
gotta fight for it, red. It's in high competition. So
this is a very brief synopsis. I'd encourage you to
check out the International Crane Foundation. From the hunt Tink perspective,
I still feel like we can hunt and we can
figure this out with our big brains. I think it

(14:06):
would be absolutely asinine to throw this information by the wayside.
It's taken a long time to recover this species. And
recover is you know, a moving target type of word,
slow to mature, low productivity. Proceed with caution. Thank you
very much for writing in and pleasure talking to you

(14:26):
as well. Okay, moving on to the law enforcement desk.
In Ohio, the Department of Natural Resources busted a wild
game processing outfit that was selling venison from poach deer
and stealing venison from hunters who paid to have game processed.
In total, A and E Processing is alleged to have

(14:49):
poached thirty white tailed deer in Ohio and stolen over
seven pounds of meat from hunters. If this isn't an
argument for processing your own meat. Eight people connected to
the poaching ring were charged in the investigation for crimes
ranging from illegal sale of wild animal parts, to money laundering,
to telecommunications fraud to hunting with illegal equipment. In total,

(15:12):
the Ohio Attorney General's Office is doling out ninety one
criminal counts. The a g S Office. That's Attorney General
also told meat eaters Travis Hall that the charges include
five people who worked for any processing and three who
were supplying the company with wild game meat via poaching deer.
Hunting is a deep rooted tradition in Ohio, with generations

(15:34):
having been taught the values of conservation, responsibility, and discipline,
said Ohio Attorney General David Yost. Additionally said this level
of corruption violates those tenants and protecting and preserving this
part of our heritage are important to all sportsmen and women.
But the AG's office wouldn't tell us much more about
this case since the investigation is ongoing, but all eight

(15:57):
individuals have been indicted by a grand jury, which means
there's at least enough evidence to go to trial. Since
many of these crimes are felonies, prison time is definitely
on the table. According to a Facebook post from September seventeen,
Any Processing charged a very reasonable fifty five dollar fee
to process and package a white tail seventy five dollars

(16:20):
if you want a vacuum sealed. They also offered Ohio
capes for ten dollars and out of state capes for
thirty five dollars. The Ohio a G wouldn't say how
long Any Processing had been stealing meat, but a little
back of the napkin mass suggest they cheated a lot
of hunters for a little, or a few hunters for
a lot. If an average white tail yields sixty pounds

(16:41):
of meat, a processor could expect to skim I don't know,
let's say five pounds off the hunter. If any processing
stole seven hundred pounds of meat they likely took venison
from let's say a hundred forty. That example is a
healthy dose of speculation, but it's enough to say that
anyone who used any processing should probably think they got

(17:04):
Pilford a little bit. And anyone who hunts in Ohio
should take note of the thirty deer poached out of
season by illegal means. There are many reputable butcher shops,
and I will guarantee that all of them have stories
of people leaving game meat no showing skipping out on
the butcher's bill. This is the case of a bad

(17:26):
butcher's shop. And I need to point out that in
order to make a sale, you also need a willing buyer,
not just a willing seller. There is no such thing
as quote wild deer for sale in the USA outside
of Maui Nui venison, which is strictly access Dear, So
the next time you're well meaning neighbor says, hey, I

(17:49):
love l your dear ducks, let me buy some off you,
don't just say no and give them a package. Say no,
they can't buy it off you and tell them why.
And if you want to see firsthand what folks pay
a processor to do, well I happen to know a
website that can help you out with processing your own game.

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Meet next up. Officers in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, had their hands
full when a cal moves burst through a window at
Sylvia Fedrick School. Sylvia Fedoric was, of course, the seventeenth
Lieutenant Governor of Saskatchewan, don't you know. But wait, there's more. Fedric,

(18:32):
daughter of Ukrainian immigrants, also has her name on the
Silvia Fedoric Center for Nuclear Radiation. Thankfully, no moose broke
into anything there. It is also possible that to break
into Sylvia Fedoric School, which is located in the community
of Evergreen, Saskatoon, the moose had to travel down Sylvia

(18:53):
Fedoric Drive, then head south to uh, you know, perform
the breaking and entering or be an e which is
a much cooler way of saying it. I'm gonna give
you to the count of tend to get your ugly
yellow no good keys throughout my property before I pump
your cuts full of lead. But we're not done with Sylvia,

(19:14):
who is a two time Hall of Famer, once for medicine.
For Doric's work on studying radiation depth and penetration was
critical to treating cancer through Cobalt sixty radiation therapy and
more Canadian lee. Her second Hall of Fame nod was,
of course, for curling. Fedric was inducted into the Canadian

(19:37):
Curling Hall of Fame. Now you may be asking yourself,
what about the moose. Well, according to Radio two point nine,
the ball, the cops tranquilized it in the community room,
got it out of the school and nobody was hurt,
and they're gonna set it free. But here's the better question.
The next time someone asked, what's bigger than a moose,

(19:59):
I think you should say, Sylvia Federic, holy cow, moose
only in Canada. I'll tell you you know, now that
I say that out loud, the bigger than a moose part,
I can see how folks may not think that's a compliment.
This lady that I just learned about, she's very impressive.

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Moving on, two hunters were busted trespassing on a secluded
private island owned by hedge fund titan Louis Bacon near
the Uber exclusive area of New York Southampton. After one
of the caretakers on Robin's Island spotted an unfamiliar trail camp.
He searched the vicinity and discovered Scott Russell and Kurt

(20:42):
Jorgensen mid hunt, one of them up in a tree stand,
the other prone on the ground, presumably trying to disappear.
Investigators later turned up a mountain of hunting gear, a
twelve ft aluminum boat with a battery powered motor, several
tree stands, as well as a tethered saddle hunting set up,
a half dozen trail cams, compound bows, crossbows with missing bolts, tents,

(21:06):
bags of food and jugs of water, commercial dear year
and attractant, and the standard gear for processing game. Once
the deal is done, local hunters might wonder why Russell
and Jorgensen had gone to so much trouble, as deer
all over the Hampton's are thicker than mosquitoes. Well, the
island's owner, Louis Bacon, granted a conservation easement over the

(21:27):
entire property to the Nature Conservancy, and since then it
has been managed as a private game preserve. Therefore, according
to New York Newsday, the island is home to at
least a dozen rare albino deer, as well as several
twenty five point bucks. So you know, I condemned trust.
Passing and poaching in the strongest possible terms, but sneaking

(21:48):
onto a private island a couple hundred yards off the
mainland to bag a pointer, I can see the draw.
Bacon is a pretty interesting guy. He bought the island
at a bankruptcy auction and for eleven million dollars, and
local real estate pros estimate that today it would sell
for at least five hundred million. Man. I bet you'd

(22:09):
wished you had been that prudent the last time you
had eleven million bucks lying around. Huh. I can't go
back in time. In addition to putting Robin's Island into trust,
Bacon also donated more than half of his one d
eighty thousand acre Colorado ranch to the same Grade A
Cristo Conservation Area, the single largest conservation easement grant in
US fish and wildlife history. And going a bit off

(22:33):
topic for the Week and Review, Bacon has also been
locked in a year's long feud with his neighbor in
the Bahamas, the very flamboyant clothing magnate Peter Nyagard, who
has been accused of sexual misconduct as many times as
most people brush their teeth, it would take an hour
to go through all the parts of that story, but
suffice it to say that at one particularly contentious point

(22:55):
of the battle, Niagard hired a crowd to march through
the streets of Nassau with signs accusing Bacon of being
in the KKK. If you're into stories of rich egomaniacs
going completely off the rails, google Lewis Bacon versus Peter
Nygard and and Joy. But back to our bread and

(23:20):
butter of hunters breaking the law. Russell and Jorgensen have
been charged with poaching and trespassing violations, and I would
bet that having a litigious billionaire after them is going
to make the next couple of years pretty steep. We
will be there to bring you any further developments. And finally,
over to Tennessee, the t w r A or Tennessee

(23:43):
Wildlife Resource Agency caught a man in possession of seventy
four doves. It was determined that he had been shooting
doves over bait and speaking of over, fifteen is the
daily bag limit for morning doves in Tennessee, and the
possession limit is three times the daily bag limit. Although
I could not find an actual definition of what possession

(24:04):
means in Tennessee because that definition does vary from state
to state, and doubs are federally regulated migratory birds and
the federal REGs say do not exceed the possession limit
while in the field or on your way from the field.
So it is likely that this bait station shooter was
over his possession limit as well as shooting over bait.
Another interesting thing, the state of Tennessee does state that

(24:27):
on opening day, a hunter's possession limit is fifteen, which
is the daily bag limit. On the second day of
the season, a hunter's possession limit is twice the daily
bag limit, which would be thirty keeping up, and on
the third day of the season it is three times
the daily bag limit, which is forty five, which implies
that you better not have any dove in the freezer

(24:49):
come opening day. This overage and baiting earned the shooter
five dollars in fines and fees and a loss of
hunting privileges for one year. Here's a fun fact for you.
The most hunted migratory bird is dove. In Tennessee. Roughly
sixteen thousand doub hunters harvest two d and fifty thousand
doves in a season. Nationwide, forty two states have a

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morning dove season, and some twenty million doves are harvested annually,
making them the most taken game in the United States.
What's more, the morning dove population continues to grow, and
I did not beg a single dove this year. Moving on,

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big surprises over at the condor desk, or what I'd
like to call immaculate condorception. Scientists with the San Diego
Zoo recently discovered to California condors who had been born
through a sexual reproduction or parthenogenesis, meaning these birds had
a mom, but mom was a solo flyer, so to speak,

(26:01):
real get things done on our own type, no males required.
We've talked about parthenogenesis before, but never explained the term itself.
Well we probably have, but listen anyway. The ancient Greek
word parthenos means virgin and genesis means creation, so together
the word means birth of offspring from an animal who

(26:21):
hasn't had sex. Literally, it means virgin creation, but in
the world of science the translation is off spraying without sex.
When you hear parthenogenesis, you might hear a similarity to
the name of the famous ancient temple in Athens, Greece,
the Parthenon, and that's not by accident. The Greek goddess
Athena was known as the virgin goddess. Parthenon literally means

(26:46):
temple of the Virgin. I bet you didn't expect to
tune in this week and hear about condors and ancient
Greek gods in the same segment. But those are the
quality we can review, juxtapositions you've come to know and love,
right you love them. A sexual reproduction is almost always
a matter of necessity. For example, a population of female

(27:07):
komodo dragons or bonnet head sharks gets isolated from males,
they develop an egg that hasn't been fertilized, and that
egg becomes a viable offspring with genes only from the mother.
But in this case, both of these female condors were
in captivity and housed with fertile males, and both of

(27:27):
these female condors had bread with males in the past,
but not this time, So this is one of the
only examples of perthenogenesis in the presence of viable male mates,
which if you're one of those male condors, you've got
to be pretty bummed, right sort of one, even if
you were the last man on Earth kind of scenario.

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A classic viable don't mean desirable scenario. That's when you
in cells get as you may have guessed, with two
viable males in with females. This discovery was by accident.
They weren't studying reproduction and testing every hatchling. In fact,
the hatchlings the two condors created a sexually known as

(28:12):
Partha notes by the way, were born in two thousand
one and two thousand eleven, and both of them died
a few years later without ever reproducing. Instead, scientists discovered
these two because they've been putting together a complete picture
of the genetics of every California condor in existence, and
in the course of this mapping project, they came across

(28:34):
these two individuals. We had jenes lo and behold only
from their dams, which is the name for a mother bird.
We don't have this kind of full genetic picture for
many other species on Earth, and it was only made
possible because of how endangered condors are. Easter Sunday, the
last wild condor was captured, one of only twenty two

(28:56):
remaining in existence. Those survivors were bread and Captivity and
beginning in the early nineties, they were reintroduced in the wild.
By two thousand nineteen, there were two hundred nineteen condors
in captivity and three hundred and six flying free in California, Arizona,
and Utah. Scientists have therefore been able to study this

(29:18):
remaining limited population extremely closely, and they've managed to take
samples of tissue from a very large percentage of these birds.
That genetic information has guided condor recovery, telling scientists which
pairs might be bred successfully, which populations might be in
danger of inbreeding, and so on. Of course, the damns

(29:38):
that we've been talking about said, back off, Doc will
take it from here. Over thirty five million dollars have
been spent on condor research in the lab and in
the field. Extraordinary measures have been taken to get this
species up and stable again, and as you likely know,
the banning of lead bullets across the range of the
condor in California in an effort to end one singular

(30:02):
cause of condor mortality, which is ingesting lead when the
birds feed on carrion leftover from animals that hunters have killed.
Is a great example of how animals on the endangered
species list can affect even those folks who don't care
about a species success. We need to work hard to
keep these animals from ever getting on the endangered species list. Now,

(30:24):
one of the coolest parts of this recent discovery is
the possibility that maybe parthenogenesis isn't so rare amongst species
after all. Maybe it's just that we have a comparatively
tiny amount of DNA information on all the other species
on Earth. Maybe if we could see into the full

(30:45):
genetic picture of rattlesnakes and zebras and butterflies and deep
sea angler fish and lonely old dudes up in the
Arctic Circle or something, we would see that parthenogenesis is
all over the place. Think about that the next time
you hear the term d I Y. That's all I've

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got for you this week. Thank you so much for
listening as per usual. Let me know what I got
right or wrong, or tell me what's going on in
your neck of the woods by writing in to a
s K C. A L. That's asked cal at the
Meat Eater dot com. And it's starting to get cold,
If your would supply is in short supply, get your

(31:27):
butt down to the nearest steel dealer. You can find
a local, knowledgeable, helpful steel dealer near you by going
to www. Dot steel dealers dot com. Trust those folks.
They will get you set up with what you need
and steer you clear of what you don't. Thanks again,
I'll talk to you next week.
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

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