April 18, 2025 • 21 mins
Jess is literally calling 9-1-1 in Nashville!
She talks about the big moment she got the call to appear next to Chris O’Donnell as Camilla screams on the sidelines for her BFF while pitching herself for a super cute cameo.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello, Call It crew, and welcome to another episode of
Short and Sweet.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I have a spring in my step.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, you do well.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have a spring in my step in a month
of April, which is also spring.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It is your favorite season. This is moreing timing.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh my goodness, there are so many you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, spring sneaks up on you for all those who
live in four seasons, and sometimes you can be smacked
up in the middle of it and be like, is
it though? The daffodils tell me that it is? But
sometimes there's like ninety five mile an hour winds outside, yeah,
disgusting rain.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
So how would I really know?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Getting back to aforementioned spring in my step, Yesterday something
was announced that I have been I have been knowing
and keeping close to the vest for a minute, and
it is that I am going to join Ryan Murphy's
show nine one one, the franchise of nine one one,
(01:23):
and this one's going to be in Nashville with Chris
O'Donnell and some other very exciting people, but they have
yet to be announced.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And I'm going to be back on ABC. I didn't
want to scream during that whole thing. Do you know
how hard it was for me to not interrupt you.
I'm like, let her have this moment, it's not about you,
but I was like, it's also about me, and she
got nine one one. I'm freaking out because Nashville is
truly one of my favorite cities.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We have family there. Have you ever even been to Nashville.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I've never been been to Nashville, which is weird, and
it's definitely I mean, I feel like it's a it's
a stop on the world tour. Like I think you
got to go to Nashville in your life, and I
haven't been.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I love Here's what I love about that city.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Sometimes you land in the city and it just la
Los Angeles has us too.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
New York has us too. I think Chicago has it too.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It has that spark, it has that energy, it has
that liveliness. It feels like young and spicy and just like.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Dreams to be had. Also, I gotta tell you, I
love a storm.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I love a story.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, I think that's where the drama is gonna come from, right,
That's where the first responders are going to have to
respond to the storms, whether they're emotional physical.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And the music, the music in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Oh, if you heard you know what we should have
had Chris Carmack gone to talk about this with you
because he did the show in Nashville and he loves
he loved filming there so much.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He talks about it all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And I just think, you're gonna it's like gonna be
your new second home and you're gonna have the best time. Ever,
how does it feel to finally be able to talk
about it?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Though? Well, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I you know, you and I know what it's like
to be actresses because we've been we are them. Yeah,
But it's funny how a lot of people will say
to me like, oh, like they'll have an assumption about
the audition process or about you know, or just how
things happen. And I think that if you've heard one
story of getting a job, you've heard one story of
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getting a job.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Every everyone is different.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So I kind of treat every audition like it's it's
just all possibility. And I feel like I was taught
a long time ago that you just treat an audition
like you like you like you taught, like you like
you treated, you know, doing a scene in acting class,
like like give it You're all, yeah, you give it
your all, you lay it down and then you send
(03:51):
it off and then you know, you try and not
to get attached until you know that something is actually
really going to happen. And with this particular one, I mean, listen,
it has so many components that are just undeniably really
really exciting and just full of promise and possibility. And
(04:11):
I mean I love the whole you know, I love
the country aspect of of just all things.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I love putting on an accent?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Are you going to do an accent? We have never
thought of this?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I know, this is this is all in progress.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I was just a Missoura is the Missouri coming Back?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Is the Maszuri come back?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Rashan Rasani is the showrunner, and I was speaking to
him the other day and we were we're just strategizing,
you know, we're coming up with all the things and
where she's from and and and yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So that's definitely a part of it. But you I
put together the audition was it on?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Okay, so auditions for everyone that knows it's really changed
since the pandemic. We used to always go in in
person and read. Now there are two other ways to
do it. We tape ourselves, have someone reading in our homes. Right,
so you like your dog's barking in the background and
you're trying to like you can't, yeah, chaotic, or you
even do it on zoom, which is the most horrifying
(05:05):
idea to me, which is on a computer on a laptop.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You have to really be in the moment with someone,
which feels so awful. What was your first audition?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Well, so it's funny because and I remember I actually
remember specifically Jennifer Garner saying this, and I remember being
so greatly helped by her saying this because I saw
I so highly regard her and I think she's so
fantastic and she's clearly very successful. But I remember her
saying to me, I've never gotten a job off of
(05:34):
a tape, and I remember thinking, same girl, same like,
I don't know what it knows about me, but like
I don't. It's very hard to translate onto you know,
these audition tapes that you put in and you don't
get to have your personality. You have heuro human connection
and so you're really just completely operating in a vacuum because.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Someone of that magic that happens for booking a job
happens when you walk into the room, and it happens
not when you're doing the scene, but you're chatting at them,
and that's been taken away from actors.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Absolutely, absolutely, Like I couldn't agree with that more.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And the funny thing about this one was that for
some reason, I actually can't even remember why, but I
went in in person and it was a it was
a casting office in the city, and I went in
and this the reader was so generous and so kind
(06:31):
and so much fun, and it was a lot of
it was a lot of dialogue.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And also I think in order to really, you know,
put everything into it, I memorize it so it's you
don't even really want to have it in your hand.
But then sometimes people will actually say that you should
have it in your hand, so it still looks like
a work in progress.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I always split the difference. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think about that too, because what people don't realize
is if you have your script in your hand, it
kind of looks like him, I'm just working on this
with you and if you take it out, maybe it
looks like this is the only way I would do it.
This is the scene right here. I don't take direction.
It's it's solid.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
This is my ten, this is giving my ten. We've
hit the ceiling. This is as good as I get.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So yeah, The script in my hand meant I'm you know,
maybe maybe I'm a donate and I'm open. Don't worry.
I can get better, get better. I have not hit
my ceiling. Yes, And we worked it and it was
really fun.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And uh I walked away thinking, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I did everything I wanted to do, and I was
and I was proud.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Did you have like shaky knees in the waiting room?
I hate this shaw When you get the shakes, oh my.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Gosh, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And of course when you're holding the paper, that gets
it to the holding the paper is the telltale giveaway
when it's a shaking the paper, shaking papers.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh my god, you guys, I there's never really want
to be an actor.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
God, it's so vulnerable. There's nothing I got to tell
you because you hate this.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Reactors all the time, like you know, Nicole Kimmen and
other people, they really think that they still might get
fired from jobs, Like we still have that insecurity as actors,
that like, it doesn't matter if you're scholar Johanson or whoever.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You really don't know in the moment if you've got it.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And then once you do, you know, as you and
I both know from playing characters for so long, then
you're afforded a luxury of knowing that you know the character.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You're playing more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Right. But but in the in this stage, you know,
your version is just your version, so it's it's and
then and then people see it and they either pick
it or they don't. But anyways, I I really enjoyed
it and I definitely felt like I gave it my all.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And then you kind of like, did you let it go?
Able to let it go?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean you try, but then you're you know, you're in.
And I also remember early days, uh, when you first
start acting, did you do this where you're like you
call your agent like at the end of the day
and you're like, it's any feedback.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Or you're kidding?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You don't still do that? I do that all?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't why because a very wise person said to
me unless you are unless your agent or your manager
knows you really, really well, and the feedback they get
is something that you need to know, like something that
needs to eat, like that really really is resonant, like
you really like you, like you need to know something.
I don't even know what this would be, by the way,
but like you need to know something about the way
(09:41):
you audition.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Feedbacks all bullshit, like.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
They're just giving you the reason you didn't get the job,
but the real information is you didn't get the job.
It doesn't matter why.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, it's so, I mean, it's true. I think I
think what's hard for me is that when you're not
in the room, there's you're taking your own.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Direction, right, like you're sort of like throwing.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The dice and hoping that like maybe this is in
the zone of what they're wanting. And so my feedback
is less like did I get it and more like
do you need something else?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Because I can do it, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but I understand. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm always like feedback.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, feedback, what do I tell me? Tell me? Tell me?
I know, I me something different, I can do something different.
I can do it. All I can do it all.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You have a team, right, You've got managers and agents,
and I have two agents that have I've been working
with for the past one of them for I can't
even put a number on it, but it's been a
long time. And you know, they have to really believe
in you because they're selling you for every single thing
and you don't always get it. And they keep selling
you and selling you and telling everyone why you're the best, next,
(10:46):
best idea and all that stuff. And we've been together
for such a such a minute, and it takes a
lot of work on their part, and you know, we
have this audition and we had this possibility. And when
you get a phone call from any more than one
of the people on your team, you know it's like
good or bad news.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah. If you're on a job and.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
They both and like your team calls, you're like, you're.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Fucked, I'm something bad it's happening.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And if you don't have a job and they call
on conference, you know it could.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Be good news.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And when Harry and Jess called me, it was a Friday,
which we always call our day. I don't know how
it started, but we'd always connect on Fridays and they
told me, and we were it was such a celebration
and we've been together in it in the trenches, and
they were so excited to call with the good news.
(11:44):
And it was a reminder that you don't do anything alone,
you know. I mean, I was there alone on the tape,
but it took a lot of people to get me there.
And I'm just so grateful for the teamwork that goes
into all things.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like there is a whole team rooting,
rooting for you, and you know, yeah, exactly what you
just said, telling everyone you're the.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Most amazing thing and the reason why you're.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Right for the role, and yeah yeah, oh okay, So
how long did it take before you actually knew that
like you were the pick?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
This one actually moves. Sometimes things can again, everything's different.
Sometimes things move at a glacial pace for a bunch
of different reasons that again had nothing to do with you,
And sometimes things move really quickly. I feel very lucky
because all jobs are different. Sometimes you're taking a huge
leap of faith based on you know, you just really
(12:40):
love a script or you really want to play a character,
or a bunch of different things, and that can be
very exciting and there's absolutely a time and place for
doing that in a big way, and then something like
this can come along where you're like, I adore Chris O'Donnell.
I've been watching him for so long. I worked with
him early days I was on when I was on
(13:01):
the show called The Practice, he came and guest starred,
by the way, the same year that in the same
storyline as Patrick Dempsey, who guest starred on The Practice Child,
I know, And and it was probably like the year
or two before Patrick went on to to to Gray's.
And then Chris ended up on Grays Don't Forget he
(13:23):
played Finn. Yeah, oh forget?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Are you kidding me? I know?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Can you imagine how.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, we have not talked about that. We'll have to
catch up on that. Would it's like to have to
come in and like be the other in a.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But you know what, he was a great other because
some people.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Were team other I know.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So you know what, because he's just he's just so
darn likable. Yeah, just something about him likable. Now, but
on this show he plays your ex husband, I know,
my husband.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh, your current husband, current husband, oh current husband, oh.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, current husband and family man. But he has his secrets.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
That's what I read, and that's what I read in
the announced because that's all I'm going to say past that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, you can't, no, no, don't.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's all going to be a mystery, yes, and that
you know what, we get to share it with the
Call It crew as we're allowed to talk about it,
and that's so fun.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But just I mean, such incredible people being a part
of it, right, like obviously Ryan Murphy who also, funnily enough,
early early days, just out of college, I'm I'm, you know,
auditioning for things. And one of the first shows that
I auditioned for was one of his first shows called
Popular Oh.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah about high school and great show. People loved that show.
Wow yeah, and he was so.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Great and I and I mean, we're uving both babies,
and then Brad Foulchek producing it, and Tim Near and
then Rashad Rasani's show running, and I.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Just, I mean just I couldn't. I could not be
more excited. I think it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I'm very very I'm just really excited.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, So I have to tell you.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I posted yesterday on Instagram and I was like, but
you know, obviously and uh in my.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Comments they go, you have posted this announcement before Jessica has, which.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I didn't realize because I was like, of course she's done,
and it was like, no, you were out and about
in the world yesterday and I had clearly a lot
of time.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And I the second it came out, like you're number
one fan.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Like frying, Lie, I love it. I love it well.
You and I have been talking about it because of
course I had.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I mean, obviously keep it secrets you knew, and so
I honestly wanted it to come out more so that
I could tell you that it came out.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Also because I was bugging you. I'm like, when can
we When can I? Because you were like, don't tell anybody,
and I couldn't. I know. I have this thing in
my mind where I had this moment in my mind
where sometimes ABC does these events right before the fall
lineup or whenever, and all the shows walk the carpet
and you see the Bachelor there, and I was like,
(16:09):
oh my god, I'm going to be on the carpet
for Grays and aatam.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I'm going to look over it literally makes me emotional.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I don't know why, and see you and you're going
to be there for nine to one to one, and
I'm just gonna I'm gonna point to.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You, yeah, and we're going to share some eye contact.
This is I love you. You're in a different show,
but I still love you.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I think the eye contacts gonna happen, but that you
didn't include the part ride then run over to you.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
And then I'm like, let's just do the rest of
the press. Let's do the rest of the press line together.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, I a double a double stages before.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
For you know, promoting fall lineups.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I know, because listen if we got to go to
upfronts together.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Again, dreamsh I mean dream Yeah. I love it. I
love it. I love it. It was great and you
know what, it was nice that I was announced and
it was also.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
What was the response, Well, I was gonna say social,
the socials.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know, I think Instagram probably, you know, in its
ideation that the whole cell was like you can share
with a ton of people instead of having to you know,
text each person.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Right, So it did that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It felt like a very big your phone was below
it all cats.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Out and it was very you know, It's just it's
such a great thing to hear from all sorts of
people it and it really reveals for me it was
such a warm hug because I can tell you now
and I'm not even twenty four hours from it. But honestly,
the messages that I've received have run the spectrum of.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Places and people in my life.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
It was all good, and the girl and like the
kids were excited for it to be out there.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And I always think, you know, you know that how
I feel about this. I am.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I feel lucky enough to love my job. And part
of the responsibility that I feel in that is that
I when I have when I when I go to work,
I try very hard to never say to them I
have to go to work, right, I have to leave
you and I and I really wish I didn't and
all that not because I don't have to go to work,
because yes, that is how you get bills paid.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
You do have to go to work.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But I do love framing it for them in the
sense that that I get to go to work. You
know that I that I I thankfully have a profession
that I'm excited about, and that going to work it's
not always easy, but it's fulfilling and it serves a purpose. Again,
it's not a volunteer job, right, there's an exchange of
(18:33):
value and and that you go do that, and so
I love that part of it for the kids, and
it's all just it's kind of just been really great
again less than twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But I'm very h Now.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, we had to we had to hop on here.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
It was like an emergency shortened seet situation where.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yes, yes, because you haven't been able to.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
This is like your first sort of public conversation about
it other than announce.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So I'm so glad that we get to share this
with all you guys.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And I'm very excited to be working with Chris again.
I can't talk about all the other exciting people too.
But you know what you're gonna find out about him
and you're gonna come visit me.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Is that a joke?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I mean little we have family there. I love I
love Nashville.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I told you the other city that I would love
to move to at some point would be Nashville.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So listen, since it's ABC, I mean, is.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It such a stretch that Joe Wilson, Well, listen, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, if there's a hurricane and so you know,
a tornado when they need someone to get sucked up there.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah, maybe I've seen a crossover. A crossover I'm seeing
all right, A little a little com mingling, yes, a
little com mingle.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I will listen.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I'm gonna be there, whether I'm in a tornado or not,
I will be there. I love you so much. I'm
so glad we get to talk about this. I am.
I can't believe your helping headline a new show and
it's on ABC.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It feels like back in the family of everything.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And to get to see you back on our screens
every week. You're wilcome everybody, explorgeous face. I mean I
get to see her every week anyway, but I mean
you guys all get to see her, and the show
is going to be incredible. All those shows are so fun,
and yeah, well deserves to new.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Things to spring in, new things to spring in.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
New things. I love you. I love your support. You
know what it's like.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And I truly feel like every time I have something
that I fall in love with on some level and
I call you about it, you just always believe in
me when sometimes, oh I'm getting emotional, sometimes I don't
believe in me yeah, or I think maybe you know, oh,
it's going to go to someone else or this or that,
and you always you always think it's going to be me.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And then when it is, and I call you and
I explained why they were horribly wrong and why no
one's going to watch that, why the ratings will tank
and it'll get canceled, and I'm sorry about that, but
you may.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So the wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Goddamn joice.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This is why our friendship really works.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It works so.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, it's okay, it's meant to be.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'm like, yeah, it's meant to be that the show
gets canceled.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, well, here we go on to this next really fun,
exciting and promising chapter.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Okay, let's call it the end of the episode.
Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello, Call It crew, and welcome to another episode of
Short and Sweet.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I have a spring in my step.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, you do well.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have a spring in my step in a month
of April, which is also spring.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It is your favorite season. This is moreing timing.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh my goodness, there are so many you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, spring sneaks up on you for all those who
live in four seasons, and sometimes you can be smacked
up in the middle of it and be like, is
it though? The daffodils tell me that it is? But
sometimes there's like ninety five mile an hour winds outside, yeah,
disgusting rain.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
So how would I really know?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Getting back to aforementioned spring in my step, Yesterday something
was announced that I have been I have been knowing
and keeping close to the vest for a minute, and
it is that I am going to join Ryan Murphy's
show nine one one, the franchise of nine one one,
(01:23):
and this one's going to be in Nashville with Chris
O'Donnell and some other very exciting people, but they have
yet to be announced.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And I'm going to be back on ABC. I didn't
want to scream during that whole thing. Do you know
how hard it was for me to not interrupt you.
I'm like, let her have this moment, it's not about you,
but I was like, it's also about me, and she
got nine one one. I'm freaking out because Nashville is
truly one of my favorite cities.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We have family there. Have you ever even been to Nashville.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I've never been been to Nashville, which is weird, and
it's definitely I mean, I feel like it's a it's
a stop on the world tour. Like I think you
got to go to Nashville in your life, and I
haven't been.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I love Here's what I love about that city.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Sometimes you land in the city and it just la
Los Angeles has us too.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
New York has us too. I think Chicago has it too.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It has that spark, it has that energy, it has
that liveliness. It feels like young and spicy and just like.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Dreams to be had. Also, I gotta tell you, I
love a storm.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I love a story.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, I think that's where the drama is gonna come from, right,
That's where the first responders are going to have to
respond to the storms, whether they're emotional physical.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And the music, the music in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Oh, if you heard you know what we should have
had Chris Carmack gone to talk about this with you
because he did the show in Nashville and he loves
he loved filming there so much.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He talks about it all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And I just think, you're gonna it's like gonna be
your new second home and you're gonna have the best time. Ever,
how does it feel to finally be able to talk
about it?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Though? Well, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I you know, you and I know what it's like
to be actresses because we've been we are them. Yeah,
But it's funny how a lot of people will say
to me like, oh, like they'll have an assumption about
the audition process or about you know, or just how
things happen. And I think that if you've heard one
story of getting a job, you've heard one story of
(03:27):
getting a job.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Every everyone is different.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So I kind of treat every audition like it's it's
just all possibility. And I feel like I was taught
a long time ago that you just treat an audition
like you like you like you taught, like you like
you treated, you know, doing a scene in acting class,
like like give it You're all, yeah, you give it
your all, you lay it down and then you send
(03:51):
it off and then you know, you try and not
to get attached until you know that something is actually
really going to happen. And with this particular one, I mean, listen,
it has so many components that are just undeniably really
really exciting and just full of promise and possibility. And
(04:11):
I mean I love the whole you know, I love
the country aspect of of just all things.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I love putting on an accent?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Are you going to do an accent? We have never
thought of this?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I know, this is this is all in progress.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I was just a Missoura is the Missouri coming Back?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Is the Maszuri come back?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Rashan Rasani is the showrunner, and I was speaking to
him the other day and we were we're just strategizing,
you know, we're coming up with all the things and
where she's from and and and yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So that's definitely a part of it. But you I
put together the audition was it on?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Okay, so auditions for everyone that knows it's really changed
since the pandemic. We used to always go in in
person and read. Now there are two other ways to
do it. We tape ourselves, have someone reading in our homes. Right,
so you like your dog's barking in the background and
you're trying to like you can't, yeah, chaotic, or you
even do it on zoom, which is the most horrifying
(05:05):
idea to me, which is on a computer on a laptop.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You have to really be in the moment with someone,
which feels so awful. What was your first audition?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Well, so it's funny because and I remember I actually
remember specifically Jennifer Garner saying this, and I remember being
so greatly helped by her saying this because I saw
I so highly regard her and I think she's so
fantastic and she's clearly very successful. But I remember her
saying to me, I've never gotten a job off of
(05:34):
a tape, and I remember thinking, same girl, same like,
I don't know what it knows about me, but like
I don't. It's very hard to translate onto you know,
these audition tapes that you put in and you don't
get to have your personality. You have heuro human connection
and so you're really just completely operating in a vacuum because.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Someone of that magic that happens for booking a job
happens when you walk into the room, and it happens
not when you're doing the scene, but you're chatting at them,
and that's been taken away from actors.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Absolutely, absolutely, Like I couldn't agree with that more.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And the funny thing about this one was that for
some reason, I actually can't even remember why, but I
went in in person and it was a it was
a casting office in the city, and I went in
and this the reader was so generous and so kind
(06:31):
and so much fun, and it was a lot of
it was a lot of dialogue.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And also I think in order to really, you know,
put everything into it, I memorize it so it's you
don't even really want to have it in your hand.
But then sometimes people will actually say that you should
have it in your hand, so it still looks like
a work in progress.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I always split the difference. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think about that too, because what people don't realize
is if you have your script in your hand, it
kind of looks like him, I'm just working on this
with you and if you take it out, maybe it
looks like this is the only way I would do it.
This is the scene right here. I don't take direction.
It's it's solid.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
This is my ten, this is giving my ten. We've
hit the ceiling. This is as good as I get.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So yeah, The script in my hand meant I'm you know,
maybe maybe I'm a donate and I'm open. Don't worry.
I can get better, get better. I have not hit
my ceiling. Yes, And we worked it and it was
really fun.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And uh I walked away thinking, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I did everything I wanted to do, and I was
and I was proud.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Did you have like shaky knees in the waiting room?
I hate this shaw When you get the shakes, oh my.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Gosh, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And of course when you're holding the paper, that gets
it to the holding the paper is the telltale giveaway
when it's a shaking the paper, shaking papers.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh my god, you guys, I there's never really want
to be an actor.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
God, it's so vulnerable. There's nothing I got to tell
you because you hate this.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Reactors all the time, like you know, Nicole Kimmen and
other people, they really think that they still might get
fired from jobs, Like we still have that insecurity as actors,
that like, it doesn't matter if you're scholar Johanson or whoever.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You really don't know in the moment if you've got it.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And then once you do, you know, as you and
I both know from playing characters for so long, then
you're afforded a luxury of knowing that you know the character.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You're playing more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Right. But but in the in this stage, you know,
your version is just your version, so it's it's and
then and then people see it and they either pick
it or they don't. But anyways, I I really enjoyed
it and I definitely felt like I gave it my all.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And then you kind of like, did you let it go?
Able to let it go?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean you try, but then you're you know, you're in.
And I also remember early days, uh, when you first
start acting, did you do this where you're like you
call your agent like at the end of the day
and you're like, it's any feedback.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Or you're kidding?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You don't still do that? I do that all?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't why because a very wise person said to
me unless you are unless your agent or your manager
knows you really, really well, and the feedback they get
is something that you need to know, like something that
needs to eat, like that really really is resonant, like
you really like you, like you need to know something.
I don't even know what this would be, by the way,
but like you need to know something about the way
(09:41):
you audition.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Feedbacks all bullshit, like.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
They're just giving you the reason you didn't get the job,
but the real information is you didn't get the job.
It doesn't matter why.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, it's so, I mean, it's true. I think I
think what's hard for me is that when you're not
in the room, there's you're taking your own.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Direction, right, like you're sort of like throwing.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The dice and hoping that like maybe this is in
the zone of what they're wanting. And so my feedback
is less like did I get it and more like
do you need something else?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Because I can do it, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but I understand. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm always like feedback.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, feedback, what do I tell me? Tell me? Tell me?
I know, I me something different, I can do something different.
I can do it. All I can do it all.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You have a team, right, You've got managers and agents,
and I have two agents that have I've been working
with for the past one of them for I can't
even put a number on it, but it's been a
long time. And you know, they have to really believe
in you because they're selling you for every single thing
and you don't always get it. And they keep selling
you and selling you and telling everyone why you're the best, next,
(10:46):
best idea and all that stuff. And we've been together
for such a such a minute, and it takes a
lot of work on their part, and you know, we
have this audition and we had this possibility. And when
you get a phone call from any more than one
of the people on your team, you know it's like
good or bad news.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah. If you're on a job and.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
They both and like your team calls, you're like, you're.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Fucked, I'm something bad it's happening.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And if you don't have a job and they call
on conference, you know it could.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Be good news.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And when Harry and Jess called me, it was a Friday,
which we always call our day. I don't know how
it started, but we'd always connect on Fridays and they
told me, and we were it was such a celebration
and we've been together in it in the trenches, and
they were so excited to call with the good news.
(11:44):
And it was a reminder that you don't do anything alone,
you know. I mean, I was there alone on the tape,
but it took a lot of people to get me there.
And I'm just so grateful for the teamwork that goes
into all things.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like there is a whole team rooting,
rooting for you, and you know, yeah, exactly what you
just said, telling everyone you're the.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Most amazing thing and the reason why you're.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Right for the role, and yeah yeah, oh okay, So
how long did it take before you actually knew that
like you were the pick?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
This one actually moves. Sometimes things can again, everything's different.
Sometimes things move at a glacial pace for a bunch
of different reasons that again had nothing to do with you,
And sometimes things move really quickly. I feel very lucky
because all jobs are different. Sometimes you're taking a huge
leap of faith based on you know, you just really
(12:40):
love a script or you really want to play a character,
or a bunch of different things, and that can be
very exciting and there's absolutely a time and place for
doing that in a big way, and then something like
this can come along where you're like, I adore Chris O'Donnell.
I've been watching him for so long. I worked with
him early days I was on when I was on
(13:01):
the show called The Practice, he came and guest starred,
by the way, the same year that in the same
storyline as Patrick Dempsey, who guest starred on The Practice Child,
I know, And and it was probably like the year
or two before Patrick went on to to to Gray's.
And then Chris ended up on Grays Don't Forget he
(13:23):
played Finn. Yeah, oh forget?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Are you kidding me? I know?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Can you imagine how.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, we have not talked about that. We'll have to
catch up on that. Would it's like to have to
come in and like be the other in a.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But you know what, he was a great other because
some people.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Were team other I know.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So you know what, because he's just he's just so
darn likable. Yeah, just something about him likable. Now, but
on this show he plays your ex husband, I know,
my husband.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh, your current husband, current husband, oh current husband, oh.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, current husband and family man. But he has his secrets.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
That's what I read, and that's what I read in
the announced because that's all I'm going to say past that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, you can't, no, no, don't.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's all going to be a mystery, yes, and that
you know what, we get to share it with the
Call It crew as we're allowed to talk about it,
and that's so fun.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But just I mean, such incredible people being a part
of it, right, like obviously Ryan Murphy who also, funnily enough,
early early days, just out of college, I'm I'm, you know,
auditioning for things. And one of the first shows that
I auditioned for was one of his first shows called
Popular Oh.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah about high school and great show. People loved that show.
Wow yeah, and he was so.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Great and I and I mean, we're uving both babies,
and then Brad Foulchek producing it, and Tim Near and
then Rashad Rasani's show running, and I.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Just, I mean just I couldn't. I could not be
more excited. I think it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I'm very very I'm just really excited.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, So I have to tell you.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I posted yesterday on Instagram and I was like, but
you know, obviously and uh in my.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Comments they go, you have posted this announcement before Jessica has, which.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I didn't realize because I was like, of course she's done,
and it was like, no, you were out and about
in the world yesterday and I had clearly a lot
of time.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And I the second it came out, like you're number
one fan.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Like frying, Lie, I love it. I love it well.
You and I have been talking about it because of
course I had.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I mean, obviously keep it secrets you knew, and so
I honestly wanted it to come out more so that
I could tell you that it came out.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Also because I was bugging you. I'm like, when can
we When can I? Because you were like, don't tell anybody,
and I couldn't. I know. I have this thing in
my mind where I had this moment in my mind
where sometimes ABC does these events right before the fall
lineup or whenever, and all the shows walk the carpet
and you see the Bachelor there, and I was like,
(16:09):
oh my god, I'm going to be on the carpet
for Grays and aatam.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I'm going to look over it literally makes me emotional.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I don't know why, and see you and you're going
to be there for nine to one to one, and
I'm just gonna I'm gonna point to.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You, yeah, and we're going to share some eye contact.
This is I love you. You're in a different show,
but I still love you.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I think the eye contacts gonna happen, but that you
didn't include the part ride then run over to you.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
And then I'm like, let's just do the rest of
the press. Let's do the rest of the press line together.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, I a double a double stages before.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
For you know, promoting fall lineups.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I know, because listen if we got to go to
upfronts together.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Again, dreamsh I mean dream Yeah. I love it. I
love it. I love it. It was great and you
know what, it was nice that I was announced and
it was also.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
What was the response, Well, I was gonna say social,
the socials.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know, I think Instagram probably, you know, in its
ideation that the whole cell was like you can share
with a ton of people instead of having to you know,
text each person.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Right, So it did that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It felt like a very big your phone was below
it all cats.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Out and it was very you know, It's just it's
such a great thing to hear from all sorts of
people it and it really reveals for me it was
such a warm hug because I can tell you now
and I'm not even twenty four hours from it. But honestly,
the messages that I've received have run the spectrum of.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Places and people in my life.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
It was all good, and the girl and like the
kids were excited for it to be out there.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And I always think, you know, you know that how
I feel about this. I am.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I feel lucky enough to love my job. And part
of the responsibility that I feel in that is that
I when I have when I when I go to work,
I try very hard to never say to them I
have to go to work, right, I have to leave
you and I and I really wish I didn't and
all that not because I don't have to go to work,
because yes, that is how you get bills paid.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
You do have to go to work.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But I do love framing it for them in the
sense that that I get to go to work. You
know that I that I I thankfully have a profession
that I'm excited about, and that going to work it's
not always easy, but it's fulfilling and it serves a purpose. Again,
it's not a volunteer job, right, there's an exchange of
(18:33):
value and and that you go do that, and so
I love that part of it for the kids, and
it's all just it's kind of just been really great
again less than twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But I'm very h Now.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, we had to we had to hop on here.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
It was like an emergency shortened seet situation where.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yes, yes, because you haven't been able to.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
This is like your first sort of public conversation about
it other than announce.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So I'm so glad that we get to share this
with all you guys.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And I'm very excited to be working with Chris again.
I can't talk about all the other exciting people too.
But you know what you're gonna find out about him
and you're gonna come visit me.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Is that a joke?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I mean little we have family there. I love I
love Nashville.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I told you the other city that I would love
to move to at some point would be Nashville.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So listen, since it's ABC, I mean, is.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It such a stretch that Joe Wilson, Well, listen, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, if there's a hurricane and so you know,
a tornado when they need someone to get sucked up there.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah, maybe I've seen a crossover. A crossover I'm seeing
all right, A little a little com mingling, yes, a
little com mingle.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I will listen.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I'm gonna be there, whether I'm in a tornado or not,
I will be there. I love you so much. I'm
so glad we get to talk about this. I am.
I can't believe your helping headline a new show and
it's on ABC.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It feels like back in the family of everything.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And to get to see you back on our screens
every week. You're wilcome everybody, explorgeous face. I mean I
get to see her every week anyway, but I mean
you guys all get to see her, and the show
is going to be incredible. All those shows are so fun,
and yeah, well deserves to new.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Things to spring in, new things to spring in.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
New things. I love you. I love your support. You
know what it's like.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And I truly feel like every time I have something
that I fall in love with on some level and
I call you about it, you just always believe in
me when sometimes, oh I'm getting emotional, sometimes I don't
believe in me yeah, or I think maybe you know, oh,
it's going to go to someone else or this or that,
and you always you always think it's going to be me.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And then when it is, and I call you and
I explained why they were horribly wrong and why no
one's going to watch that, why the ratings will tank
and it'll get canceled, and I'm sorry about that, but
you may.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So the wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Goddamn joice.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This is why our friendship really works.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It works so.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, it's okay, it's meant to be.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'm like, yeah, it's meant to be that the show
gets canceled.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, well, here we go on to this next really fun,
exciting and promising chapter.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Okay, let's call it the end of the episode.
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